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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 01:29 |
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| w00t_ | timeless_mbp: ping | 01:30 |
| timeless_mbp | pong | 01:30 |
| * timeless_mbp should not be awake | 01:31 | |
| w00t_ | you were setting up a cross reference type thing for meego, yes? | 01:31 |
| timeless_mbp | mxr.moego.org, yes | 01:31 |
| timeless_mbp | you looking for something in particular? | 01:31 |
| w00t_ | what tool(s) have you used/do you recommend to set things like that up? | 01:31 |
| timeless_mbp | what are you actually trying to do | 01:32 |
| * CosmoHill darts timeless_mbp | 01:32 | |
| timeless_mbp | i have a meeting scheduled for sometime today to talk about who will run the harmattan mxr | 01:32 |
| w00t_ | I want to experiment with plugging a bunch of versions of Qt into one, see how plausible it is, how long it will take to set up, etc | 01:32 |
| timeless_mbp | mxr.maemo.org/qt iirc exists | 01:33 |
| w00t_ | someone suggested it, and it seems like a sensible enough idea | 01:33 |
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| timeless_mbp | mxrs come in two flavors: VCS based and repo based | 01:33 |
| timeless_mbp | vcs based are a lot easier to deal w/ | 01:33 |
| w00t_ | VCS is what i'd be after | 01:33 |
| w00t_ | git, obviously | 01:33 |
| timeless_mbp | actually | 01:34 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd highly suggest you clone my Hg Qt instead | 01:34 |
| w00t_ | any particular reason? | 01:34 |
| timeless_mbp | http://mxr.moego.org/meego/source/qt/configure | 01:34 |
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| w00t_ | (I already have a bunch of git checkouts, so...) | 01:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | click "bonsai hg blame" | 01:35 |
| timeless_mbp | be a little patient, the system is currently loaded because of a stupid process which i'm currently trying to rework | 01:35 |
| * w00t_ clicks | 01:35 | |
| timeless_mbp | mxr is hg.mozilla.org/webtools/mxr you just clone it | 01:35 |
| timeless_mbp | there's an INSTALL file which should walk you through things | 01:36 |
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| timeless_mbp | you'll need to get glimpse, and whichever vcs tool you're using | 01:36 |
| timeless_mbp | but the advantage of Hg is that i have bonsai support for it | 01:36 |
| timeless_mbp | which means that (when it works), you can see pretty blame for things | 01:36 |
| w00t_ | still waiting for it to load | 01:36 |
| timeless_mbp | blame just loaded here | 01:36 |
| timeless_mbp | and i clicked before you | 01:36 |
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| w00t_ | I don't think I want to do that though, purely because my hard disk already has like 10 clones of Qt :) | 01:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok :) | 01:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | anyway, did bonsai load? | 01:38 |
| w00t_ | nope | 01:38 |
| w00t_ | stillll waiting | 01:38 |
| timeless_mbp | ok | 01:38 |
| timeless_mbp | anyway, bonsai integration is optional | 01:39 |
| timeless_mbp | you can set up integration w/ whatever you have | 01:39 |
| timeless_mbp | generally, i'd suggest you setup individual roots for each version of something like Qt | 01:39 |
| w00t_ | yeah | 01:40 |
| timeless_mbp | then you can use tree switching | 01:40 |
| timeless_mbp | as long as paths are fixed | 01:40 |
| w00t_ | I'll have a look at it tomorrow I think, too late now | 01:40 |
| w00t_ | will read up on it though | 01:40 |
| w00t_ | thanks for the pointers | 01:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok, poke me sunday or monday and i should be able to help you out | 01:42 |
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| w00t_ | cool, i'll take you up on that :) | 01:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | in the interim, mxr.maemo.org/qt/ has one version | 01:42 |
| timeless_mbp | and mxr.moego.org/meego/source/qt/ has another | 01:43 |
| timeless_mbp | so there are at least 2 Qt's under xref | 01:43 |
| w00t_ | (i presume moego.org is yours?) | 01:43 |
| timeless_mbp | for some definition of "mine" | 01:43 |
| w00t_ | hehe | 01:43 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't own/administrate boxes | 01:43 |
| timeless_mbp | but yes, i'm the one who's poking them | 01:43 |
| w00t_ | lucky | 01:43 |
| w00t_ | I need to find a sysadmin slave sometime | 01:44 |
| w00t_ | I'm supposed to have one but he's rather passive, he only slaves when I poke him to do so | 01:44 |
| timeless_mbp | each box is donated by a different person/org | 01:44 |
| w00t_ | ah, donation is a bit different, i *really* wish i could get that set up :P | 01:44 |
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| timeless_mbp | moego is ec2 iirc. maemo is dh. konigsberg is mozilla.org(nl) | 01:44 |
| w00t_ | anyway, you'd better bed if you have a meeting tomorrow | 01:45 |
| w00t_ | else you'll be bored to death *and* tired | 01:45 |
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| Guest32729 | Is there any info about the handset UI? tks | 05:29 |
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| aks | Hello everyone | 07:22 |
| aks | i tried Meego on EEEPC and it's awesome | 07:22 |
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| aks | i booted live image from USB flash disk, is there a way that i can permanently store meego on my netbook so that it boots from there and i don't need to use the usb stuff? | 07:23 |
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| aks | hello everyone, is it possible to get the meego image in non-ntfs version | 08:36 |
| aks | ? | 08:36 |
| aks | i was trying to test it on an OLPC XO | 08:36 |
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| Trollkarlen | I did find out the problem with zypper http://lists.opensuse.org/zypp-devel/2010-05/msg00026.html, http://lists.opensuse.org/zypp-devel/2010-05/msg00029.html :( | 09:25 |
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| sandersch | Hello | 11:23 |
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| pxchen_ | who knows contentsearchif.h had installed by which one Package? | 11:55 |
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| pupnik | hey nokia, next innovation | 12:25 |
| pupnik | battery swap without reboot | 12:25 |
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| gour | interesting meessage in regard to working meego ui in VM says: "It is acutally beacause of the xorg-xserver. Rebuilt it or use moblin's xorg server. Meego will works well!" | 13:04 |
| gour | i may try later... | 13:05 |
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| sx0n | gour, any progress with vbox? | 13:33 |
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| centoslinux | Hi | 13:53 |
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| centoslinux | I try to run Meego live image with qemu, but it just hangs after the initial menu | 13:53 |
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| gour | sx0n: well, last steps described at http://wiki.meego.com/Talk:MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox | 14:00 |
| slithytove2006 | i have successfully booted meego from a flashdrive. now I am trying to install it to my harddrive. i have an empty spot that is almost 10gb. however when i create this into a partition for meego, i get the error "bootable partitions can not be btrfs filesystem". anybody have any suggestions? | 14:00 |
| gour | slithytove2006: afaik, /boot cannot be on btrfs | 14:01 |
| sx0n | gour, i think that it is just that moblin-dm crashes and it tries to respawn it. forever | 14:01 |
| slithytove2006 | at present, my computer boots into ubuntu. i want meego to be on a new partition. can i not boot to the same ubuntu as before, and just hav emeego on the boot list? | 14:01 |
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| gour | sx0n: it would be worth to try to rebuild xorg server | 14:02 |
| sx0n | gour, yep, or build meegotouch. | 14:02 |
| sx0n | maybe on weekend. | 14:02 |
| gour | sx0n: is it ready? | 14:02 |
| sx0n | no, but i think i could try building it. | 14:03 |
| gour | ahh..ok | 14:03 |
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| sx0n | or maybe there is rpm packages somewhere | 14:05 |
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| kkb1101 | Is there any meego phone besides N900? or anytime soon? | 14:05 |
| sx0n | gour, i don't know but if meegotouch uses only qt, it might not really need x | 14:06 |
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| slithytove2006 | is there an application on the live image that would allow me to make changes to my partitions? | 14:10 |
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| ghosTM55 | hi all , i just downloaded the meego sdk and get it worked on my fedora 13 , but when i chrooted into meego and try to startmeego , i get a simulator window with nothing(black screen) , any help ? thx | 14:13 |
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| ufa | hi, wll be there a meeting here? :) | 14:16 |
| X-Fade | ufa: no, never here. | 14:17 |
| X-Fade | ufa: #meego-meeting is the channel for that. | 14:17 |
| ufa | X-Fade thx | 14:17 |
| ghosTM55 | any help for my question? thx | 14:17 |
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| zaheerm | ghosTM55, try turning selinux off: setenforce 0 | 14:18 |
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| ghosTM55 | zaheerm: yes , i did it , i can't even see the simulator window with selinux open | 14:22 |
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| ghosTM55 | zaheerm: still i get a simulator window with nothin' :( | 14:23 |
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| slithytove2006 | what is the meego root password? | 14:24 |
| ghosTM55 | zaheerm: (tracker-miner-fs:3095): GVFS-RemoteVolumeMonitor-WARNING **: invoking IsSupported() failed for remote volume monitor with dbus name org.gtk.Private.GduVolumeMonitor: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildSignaled: Process /usr/libexec/gvfs-gdu-volume-monitor received signal 6 | 14:25 |
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| ghosTM55 | zaheerm: i got such error message when i ran startmeego-debug | 14:25 |
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| zaheerm | sorry i don't know the answer | 14:26 |
| zaheerm | try asking in the meego-dev mailing list | 14:26 |
| ghosTM55 | zaheerm: okay , thank you very much | 14:26 |
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| slithytove2006 | i love how fast this is =] | 14:30 |
| slithytove2006 | there is no dvorak keyboard....... | 14:32 |
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| Unmensch | hello, is it possible to install the meego window manager on debian. I haven't found a repository for this yet | 14:43 |
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| ufa | Yeah, nokia sent me a replacement of my broken n900 :D | 15:26 |
| ufa | usb-broken, to be precise... | 15:26 |
| ghosTM55 | ufa: haha | 15:27 |
| ufa | \0/ | 15:27 |
| * gour wonders what is the hardware quality of n900 in general... | 15:27 | |
| clipartcat | gour, bad? | 15:27 |
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| clipartcat | at least most of my friends with n900 has had some kind of small problems. | 15:28 |
| gour | built to last some years, or, as usual, 1ry warranty and time for a new toy | 15:28 |
| ufa | gour > it is good, but there was a usb issue | 15:28 |
| gour | how is the quality of screen? | 15:28 |
| ufa | clipartcat > aside the usb-issue, I think the hardware quality is pretty good | 15:29 |
| gour | i'll probably wait for a new device, going to buy netbook for meego 1st | 15:29 |
| clipartcat | ufa, how a bout screen edge cracking issues?-) | 15:29 |
| gour | here, at least, n900 costs 2x as decent netbook | 15:29 |
| ufa | clipartcat > well, on my previous phone, everything was intact... | 15:30 |
| ufa | except, of course, for the usb, that pulled out | 15:30 |
| zaheerm | gour, yah same here, i bought my netbook for 149 and the n900s go at 400+ | 15:30 |
| clipartcat | ufa, well like all of my friends had screen edges snapping. | 15:30 |
| ufa | clipartcat > maybe your friends treat the phones like tennis balls ;) | 15:31 |
| clipartcat | ufa, no? and like in most of the forums users are complaining about the same issue. | 15:32 |
| gour | zaheerm: yeah, costly toy | 15:32 |
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| ufa | clipartcat > well, I don't know. I have 3 friends with n900, and I was the only one with issues :( | 15:33 |
| pupnik | it is imo the best device | 15:37 |
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| pupnik | at least from the HW+Design side. | 15:38 |
| pupnik | next device please more screen, less bezel | 15:39 |
| clipartcat | and multitouch.. | 15:41 |
| RST38h | pupnik: and make it flexible! | 15:42 |
| RST38h | and with lasers! | 15:42 |
| pupnik | heh | 15:42 |
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| pupnik | just a bit larger screen would be nice | 15:43 |
| gour | considering n900 costs as 2 netbooks, we're a bit picky about the hardware quality...hopefully not too many people are ready to throw money away | 15:45 |
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| frals | RST38h: dont forget the colorfax! | 15:50 |
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| GAN900 | pupnik, resistive. :( | 16:50 |
| GAN900 | Woe unto those capacitive sons of bitches. | 16:50 |
| pupnik | yes GAN900 | 16:51 |
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| Termana | GAN900 is going to manually replace whatever capacitive screen is in his next device with a resistive screen | 16:57 |
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| GAN900 | Termana, no, I'm not giving Nokia any money. | 16:58 |
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| Termana | GAN900, thats interesting, only for the fact that they won't have resistive screens or...? | 16:59 |
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| Termana | GAN900, or because you think they poorly support their devices or, what exactly is the reason you don't want to give them any money? | 17:02 |
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| clipartcat | GAN900, what's wrong with capacitive screens? | 17:03 |
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| clipartcat | GAN900, resistive sucks. Can't think any advantage about it other than you can use stylus which I only use because of stupid ui of n900. | 17:04 |
| GAN900 | Termana, mostly because of the capacitive | 17:05 |
| GAN900 | Termana, I can't stand using capacitive. | 17:05 |
| Termana | GAN900, what exactly do you believe is bad about it? | 17:06 |
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| GAN900 | clipartcat, better precision, better feel, more versatile. | 17:06 |
| GAN900 | Termana, a variety of things that are mostly unimportant | 17:06 |
| clipartcat | GAN900, more verstaile? | 17:06 |
| GAN900 | Mostly it comes down to the fact that I can't stand using them. | 17:06 |
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| clipartcat | GAN900, well haven't really enjoyed this precision thing too much as n900 had like 1-2mm off calibration at the edges before pr1.2 | 17:06 |
| GAN900 | clipartcat, you have the option to use whatever touch device you want. | 17:06 |
| GAN900 | You aren't limited to your fingers or frozen sausages. | 17:07 |
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| sjokkis | hey. quick remark about the twitter and last.fm integration. in both those cases, there are other services which are 100% API compatible (identi.ca and libre.fm, respectively). it would be nice to have an "advanced settings" area where users could optionally override the default server, in order to use those services instead | 17:07 |
| sjokkis | has the code for part of meego been released? | 17:08 |
| clipartcat | GAN900, well maybe when I get new phone with different screen I start hating it :) | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | sjokkis: yes, meego core and meego ux | 17:08 |
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| clipartcat | multitouch is the best thing since sliced bread. | 17:08 |
| GAN900 | Not really | 17:08 |
| GAN900 | Multitouch is gimmicky and awkward for most of the uses I've seen it put to in handheld devices. | 17:09 |
| sjokkis | Stskeeps: all right then. i'll submit a bug, and look into writing a patch | 17:09 |
| GAN900 | Besides, resistive multitouch exists. | 17:09 |
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| epictetus | i dont think pinch-to-zoom is gimmicky | 17:09 |
| epictetus | i think its awesome | 17:10 |
| clipartcat | GAN900, do you really think that like zooming with resistive is better :) | 17:10 |
| Termana | GAN900, yeah, but is there any actual devices that are using it? Besides the upcoming MeeGo tablet that we saw in the video, I guess (?) | 17:10 |
| clipartcat | that swirl zoom in n900 is almost a joke | 17:10 |
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| Termana | I think the majority of people agree with clipartcat - listening to several tech podcasts, even people in the tech world think this as well - that multi-touch and capacitive is necessary for a good device with a good user experience | 17:12 |
| leinir | Almost a joke, yes. However, only almost, as it really works nicely :) The problem with it, as i see it, is that it isn't ubiquitous... | 17:12 |
| GAN900 | clipartcat, I find pinch zooming quite awkward. | 17:12 |
| clipartcat | GAN900, do you have like one finger or what? :) | 17:12 |
| GAN900 | Termana, people are stupid. | 17:12 |
| GAN900 | Termana, Apple marketing is really effective. | 17:13 |
| ufa | GAN900, I also prefer double tapping to zoom :) | 17:13 |
| clipartcat | GAN900, it's not about Apple marketing it's about usability. | 17:13 |
| pupnik | i also prefer it | 17:13 |
| GAN900 | clipartcat, bullshit. | 17:13 |
| GAN900 | clipartcat, it's about personal preference. | 17:13 |
| clipartcat | GAN900, well maybe there is like 1/10000 that don't like multitouch | 17:14 |
| Termana | GAN900, HTC released a resistive Android device. It supposedly did worse than their capacitive devices | 17:14 |
| Termana | Weather that was because of the screen technology or something else is up for debate though | 17:14 |
| clipartcat | GAN900, if you had macbook pro would you use it, or do you even use multitouch without thinking? | 17:14 |
| Termana | But HTC have said they won't do resistive screen phones, at least for Android | 17:15 |
| Termana | (anymore) | 17:15 |
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| th0br0 | gday. | 17:15 |
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| clipartcat | GAN900, and it's not even such a thing with laptop when you can have keyboard shortcuts. Yet it still offers better user experience. | 17:15 |
| pupnik | gime a capacitive i can tap with fingernail or stylus | 17:15 |
| th0br0 | hello Stskeeps :) | 17:15 |
| pupnik | oops. cant do that | 17:15 |
| pupnik | but i can tap a resistive with finger, like capacitive | 17:16 |
| pupnik | one gimmick move i can't do | 17:17 |
| clipartcat | pupnik, so? I don't usually feel like tapping with my fingernail and I btw. have nail clipper. | 17:18 |
| Termana | pupnik, well, actually, you can use a stylus (admittedly not a normal one) on capacitive | 17:18 |
| clipartcat | pupnik, I can send you one for free if you give your address. | 17:19 |
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| sjokkis | Stskeeps: what's your regular proceedure when there is a bug already, but the filed bug is a more specific problem, which is part of a greater issue? | 17:19 |
| sjokkis | Stskeeps: do i change the existing bug, make a new one and mark the old as duplicate, or something else entirely? | 17:20 |
| w00t_ | Stskeeps: 'holiday' - ring a bell, you addict? :-P | 17:20 |
| clipartcat | GAN900/pupnik but anyway maybe it would be good to support both screentypes. | 17:20 |
| clipartcat | like glossy vs. matte | 17:20 |
| GAN900 | clipartcat, a laptop is not a handheld mobile device. | 17:20 |
| Termana | I don't think we need to resort to ad hominem attacks while debating a technical matter :) | 17:20 |
| GAN900 | clipartcat, of course it would | 17:20 |
| Termana | clipartcat, ^^ | 17:20 |
| GAN900 | clipartcat, and this is exactly my point. | 17:21 |
| GAN900 | Termana, it's always difficult to avoid when there's no actual technical advantage | 17:21 |
| clipartcat | Termana, it's not a technical matter actually. | 17:21 |
| GAN900 | clipartcat, and, once again, multitouch isn't limited to capacitive. :) | 17:21 |
| clipartcat | as gan900 it's about preference | 17:21 |
| Termana | I meant technical matter as in something about tech rather than traditionally "technical". | 17:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | sjokkis: do you know that the only way to fix the filed bug is to fix the more general bug? | 17:23 |
| GAN900 | clipartcat, but please avoid making it personal | 17:23 |
| timeless_mbp | if so, then you have only one bug and it should be adjusted | 17:24 |
| clipartcat | GAN900, ok. | 17:24 |
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| sjokkis | timeless_mbp: the general problem is that services in the status menu don't allow you to choose which server to use. the specific problem is that the twitter service doesn't allow this | 17:24 |
| clipartcat | GAN900, but also Steve hasn't brainwashed me ;) | 17:25 |
| sjokkis | timeless_mbp: (allowing users to override the default server would let them use alternative services like identi.ca and libre.fm) | 17:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | sjokkis: hrm | 17:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | was the twitter service written by twitter? | 17:25 |
| sjokkis | no clue | 17:26 |
| sjokkis | gonna do a CO of the code now and have a gander | 17:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | i ask, because if the twitter service was written by twitter then it's reasonable to expect that they would not want to support the feature :) | 17:26 |
| clipartcat | I can't really understand twitter. But maybe it's a good medium for celbrites and such that doesn't really have much more to say than a single sentence. | 17:26 |
| sjokkis | timeless_mbp: in that case it's not reasonable for meego to use that service | 17:26 |
| Pal | Anyone knows how to install meego using a DVD. my ibm thinkpad cannot boot using USB or CD, but DVD workds | 17:27 |
| timeless_mbp | sorry my mind has the wrong context | 17:27 |
| * timeless_mbp blames GAN900 | 17:27 | |
| sjokkis | timeless_mbp: wouldn't be that hard enough to write an open source version to justify that lack of functionality | 17:27 |
| sjokkis | in my opinion | 17:27 |
| sjokkis | i doubt it's the case, though | 17:27 |
| sjokkis | but i'll find out in a minute | 17:28 |
| timeless_mbp | sjokkis: the thing is... | 17:28 |
| timeless_mbp | in general a service requires a custom ui for configuration, rihgt? | 17:28 |
| timeless_mbp | s/rihgt/right/ | 17:28 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: in general a service requires a custom ui for configuration, right? | 17:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | once you're there, i'm not sure how a framework can help an instance | 17:28 |
| sjokkis | timeless_mbp: i'm not sure what you mean | 17:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | to configure twitter, i need to enter my username and password, right? | 17:29 |
| sjokkis | sure | 17:29 |
| timeless_mbp | and it probably is going to want to show a twitter icon to remind me that i'm talking to twitter | 17:29 |
| sjokkis | yeah | 17:29 |
| timeless_mbp | and show me my twitter face so i know it worked | 17:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | and show me twitter specific errors when bad things happen | 17:29 |
| timeless_mbp | fail whale? | 17:29 |
| sjokkis | timeless_mbp: twitter and identi.ca are API compatible | 17:29 |
| sjokkis | identi.ca uses the twitter API | 17:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | sjokkis: sure | 17:30 |
| timeless_mbp | but is the framework a layer which would also support e.g. irc? | 17:30 |
| sjokkis | you'd probably want the GUI to reflect which one you're using | 17:30 |
| timeless_mbp | or is it a framework which is limited to the identi.ca API? | 17:31 |
| sjokkis | detecting which we're using is trivial, though | 17:31 |
| sjokkis | what do you mean by that? | 17:31 |
| sjokkis | IRC is implemented by telepathy | 17:31 |
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| sjokkis | i doubt the two have anything to do with each other | 17:31 |
| timeless_mbp | is irc shown in the same 'services' view? | 17:31 |
| sjokkis | no | 17:31 |
| sjokkis | er, hang on a tic | 17:31 |
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| timeless_mbp | so services is *only* an identi.ca API thing? | 17:32 |
| timeless_mbp | basically my point is that if i'm going to have to provide my own ui for configuring the username, password, showing a logo and a face | 17:32 |
| sjokkis | i've got twitter and last.fm in the status tab | 17:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | then i can just as easily show a chooser for the service | 17:32 |
| sjokkis | timeless_mbp: the UI for configuring twitter or identi.ca is identical | 17:32 |
| timeless_mbp | and it's likely that there's nothing usefully portable | 17:32 |
| sjokkis | the API is the same | 17:32 |
| timeless_mbp | sjokkis: right | 17:33 |
| sjokkis | the ONLY change that is strictly necessary here is allowing the user to choose which server he's using | 17:33 |
| timeless_mbp | but i can't recycle it for irc | 17:33 |
| timeless_mbp | or jabber | 17:33 |
| sjokkis | what, no | 17:33 |
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| sjokkis | well, i'm sure meego uses a lot of the same code to configure different types of accounts | 17:33 |
| sjokkis | but the underlying stuff is COMPLETE separate | 17:33 |
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| sjokkis | well, i shouldn't make claims about how separate it is, but IRC is implemented with Telepathy | 17:34 |
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| sjokkis | this clearly isn't | 17:34 |
| timeless_mbp | basically i don't see why this isn't just a request to change the twitter thing to be a generic thing which happens to perhaps default to twitter | 17:34 |
| timeless_mbp | as such, i don't see a need for a second bug | 17:34 |
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| sjokkis | the rason is that this problem also affects last.fm | 17:34 |
| sjokkis | reason* | 17:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | but the ui for last.fm is going to be different than the ui for twitter, no? | 17:35 |
| timeless_mbp | you aren't actually sharing a ui, are you? | 17:35 |
| sjokkis | i'm not sure i can explain this any clearer | 17:35 |
| sjokkis | open the status tab | 17:35 |
| timeless_mbp | send me a device? | 17:35 |
| sjokkis | do you see the UI for adding a new account? | 17:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | nope, you haven't sent me a device yet | 17:35 |
| timeless_mbp | (you can stream pictures if you prefer) | 17:36 |
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| sjokkis | this conversation isn't going anywhere | 17:36 |
| Termana | I think timeless_mbp's point is that the UI for the service is probably twitter specific and probably has twitter icons etc. (not exactly sure) | 17:36 |
| timeless_mbp | my point is that there's no useful place for a common thing | 17:37 |
| timeless_mbp | and thus asking for a common thing doesn't make sense | 17:37 |
| sjokkis | timeless_mbp: i don't think you have any understanding of this problem. i can explain it to you again if you'd like | 17:37 |
| timeless_mbp | you aren't going to share the function for the two distinct backends (last.fm, identi.ca) | 17:37 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm pretty sure i did | 17:37 |
| sjokkis | no reason for distinct backends | 17:37 |
| timeless_mbp | if you want to try again, bring pictures | 17:37 |
| sjokkis | i don't work for you, and i'm pretty sure you're not a dev, so i see no reason to convince you | 17:38 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm, i'm not a dev? | 17:38 |
| timeless_mbp | news to me and my employer | 17:38 |
| timeless_mbp | please don't make assumptions about people | 17:38 |
| sjokkis | i'm surprised | 17:38 |
| sjokkis | you work on meego? | 17:38 |
| timeless_mbp | my employer seems to think that i do | 17:39 |
| sjokkis | all right, anyway. i'm gonna try to explain this to you again, as clearly as i possibly can | 17:39 |
| Termana | now now no need to get worked up and start trying to fire personal attacks off. Just calm the hell down | 17:39 |
| sjokkis | twitter and identi.ca are two websites which offer the exact same service, using the exact same API | 17:39 |
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| sjokkis | in other words, a single client supporting one of them would automatically support the other, if you simply changed which server it connected to | 17:40 |
| sjokkis | just as an IRC client supports any which IRC server you'd like to use | 17:40 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, i got that part | 17:40 |
| sjokkis | great | 17:40 |
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| sjokkis | so, it stands to reason that adding support for identi.ca in meego is a simple as letting the user choose to use their servers instead of twitter's servers | 17:40 |
| timeless_mbp | Termana: for reference, i answered the question the way i did because i don't personally have a better answer | 17:41 |
| sjokkis | and in addition, you might of course want to change the UI a bit to reflect which server you're using | 17:41 |
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| sjokkis | timeless_mbp: i didn't mean to insult you, but you did come across as a bit of a tit | 17:41 |
| timeless_mbp | sjokkis: please continue w/ your explanation | 17:41 |
| timeless_mbp | you've failed to see the problem | 17:41 |
| sjokkis | please explain it | 17:41 |
| timeless_mbp | please finish | 17:42 |
| sjokkis | i believe i have | 17:42 |
| timeless_mbp | so far you've only explained why it makes sense for twitter to be changed to support a service | 17:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | that seems like a single bug which you indicated was already filed | 17:42 |
| timeless_mbp | you asked about filing a second bug | 17:42 |
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| sjokkis | the second bug would be for the same change to the last.fm service | 17:42 |
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| sjokkis | which also has an API-compatible counterpart | 17:43 |
| timeless_mbp | right | 17:43 |
| sjokkis | in both cases, it's as simple as changing which server we connect to | 17:43 |
| timeless_mbp | but those two services don't share a ui | 17:43 |
| timeless_mbp | and you can't usefully make them share a ui | 17:43 |
| timeless_mbp | or at least, you're incredibly unlikely to want to | 17:44 |
| sjokkis | we're simply talking about the account creation UI here | 17:44 |
| sjokkis | which in fact is the same | 17:44 |
| sjokkis | if you want to file it as one bug or separate ones, i couldn't care less about | 17:44 |
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| sjokkis | i'm focused on fixing this, not squabbling about how it should be filed in bugzilla | 17:44 |
| timeless_mbp | note that i don't specifically work on 'services' | 17:44 |
| timeless_mbp | but i have spent time dealing w/ user interfaces | 17:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | and i spend time working on bugzilla | 17:45 |
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| sjokkis | it would furthermore seem like the bug i did find was't as relevant as i thought on first glance | 17:45 |
| sjokkis | http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2482 | 17:45 |
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| sjokkis | i'm a bit surprised by that bug, though. it would seem the guy has found *some* way of setting up an identi.ca server | 17:46 |
| sjokkis | er, account* | 17:46 |
| sjokkis | this could be a problem that's restricted to the "add account" part of the status tab | 17:47 |
| sjokkis | if so, it would be even easier to fix | 17:47 |
| sjokkis | timeless_mbp: did you get my point about the account creation area being the same UI? | 17:47 |
| sjokkis | if you want i can boot up meego and give you a screenshot | 17:47 |
| timeless_mbp | that'd be good | 17:47 |
| timeless_mbp | if the user interface is in fact shared then it would be reasonable to use the original bug to do the whole work | 17:48 |
| timeless_mbp | but you're going to need to support the case where a service *doesn't* support that | 17:48 |
| DawnFoster | Twitter and last.fm are intended to be example apps to show how that panel works. The idea is that OEMs or developers could add support for additional services (like identi.ca, Facebook, etc.) over time. | 17:48 |
| timeless_mbp | however, if the ui's are not shared | 17:48 |
| timeless_mbp | then it doesn't make sense to treat the bug as a bug in the framework | 17:48 |
| sjokkis | DawnFoster: well, in this case, there's no real work involved in "adding support" | 17:48 |
| timeless_mbp | and merely as bugs in distinct items which happen to be similar | 17:48 |
| sjokkis | DawnFoster: for identi.ca and libre.fm that is | 17:49 |
| timeless_mbp | sjokkis: nothing is as "easy" as it seems | 17:49 |
| sjokkis | DawnFoster: we're talking services that are 100% API compatible with the services we already support | 17:49 |
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| timeless_mbp | what happens if i enter a dns entry that isn't valid | 17:49 |
| sjokkis | timeless_mbp: sure. famous last words and all that | 17:49 |
| DawnFoster | I know that people have written support for things like Facebook | 17:49 |
| sjokkis | timeless_mbp: you get a connection error | 17:49 |
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| DawnFoster | you could add identi.ca as a new service based on how we implemented Twitter | 17:50 |
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| sjokkis | DawnFoster: i think it would make more sense to have a general "Microblogging" service | 17:50 |
| sjokkis | but that is of course a design desision | 17:50 |
| sjokkis | decision | 17:50 |
| sjokkis | who do i talk to about that? | 17:50 |
| DawnFoster | yes, well, an architecture decision really | 17:50 |
| DawnFoster | you can bring it up on meego-dev if you like | 17:50 |
| DawnFoster | (mailing list) | 17:51 |
| sjokkis | i'll do that. thanks | 17:51 |
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| timeless_mbp | my point is that the feature isn't generic | 17:53 |
| timeless_mbp | you wouldn't use it for e.g. Facebook | 17:53 |
| timeless_mbp | it ends up being a per backend ui element | 17:53 |
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| timeless_mbp | it might be the case that you can write a ui which supports optionally showing an extra field | 17:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | fwiw there was a Maemo tool which tried to do this | 17:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | eventually one company which had been packaging that tool for internal use found it too poor to continue packaging and discontinued it in favor of some other solution | 17:55 |
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| sjokkis | timeless_mbp: twitter and facebook are completely different | 17:56 |
| sjokkis | timeless_mbp: twitter and identi.ca are identical | 17:56 |
| timeless_mbp | twitter, facebook, and last.fm exist in a common space | 17:57 |
| timeless_mbp | "services" | 17:57 |
| sjokkis | true | 17:57 |
| timeless_mbp | at least according to what you and dawn have written | 17:57 |
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| sjokkis | the "twitter" service is actually the "twitter and identi.ca" service | 17:57 |
| sjokkis | or the "twitter and whatever else uses the twitter API" service | 17:57 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm only interested in whether there is actually a shared ui element where it would be possible for you to insert the field you were interested in | 17:57 |
| timeless_mbp | because that was the question you raised | 17:57 |
| timeless_mbp | whether it made sense to have a distinct bug or shared bug or whatever for a second instance | 17:58 |
| sjokkis | it would be ridiculous not to use the same UI to set up both twitter and identi.ca accounts | 17:58 |
| DawnFoster | In my opinion, I don't think it makes sense to combine them, but I don't make the architecture decisions :) | 17:58 |
| sjokkis | DawnFoster: why do you say that? | 17:58 |
| timeless_mbp | sjokkis: fwiw, you should claim http://www.ohloh.net/p/telepathy-glib/contributors/115154515949766 | 17:58 |
| timeless_mbp | and then you should browse ohloh for a bit :) | 17:59 |
| gour | telepathy still doesn't have (some kind of) OTR? | 17:59 |
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| sjokkis | timeless_mbp: did you find my name through the NTNU servers, or somewhere else? | 18:00 |
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| sjokkis | actually, first hit on google is my github profile... | 18:01 |
| DawnFoster | sjokkis - I think your approach makes it easy from a developer point of view, but more complicated for end users. What we have now is simple and fairly elegant as a reference platform, which gives people an easy way to add / remove the services that they way to use in their MeeGo products. | 18:01 |
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| petsas | hi all | 18:02 |
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| sjokkis | DawnFoster: i think having a combined "Microblogging" and "whatever you'd call last.fm" services makes perfect sense | 18:02 |
| sjokkis | in the same sense as we refer to just "IM" | 18:03 |
| petsas | anyone had issues with netbooks internal mic and manage to fix it? | 18:03 |
| DawnFoster | Think about less savvy end users for a minute. None of them know what "microblogging" is, but they know Twitter | 18:03 |
| timeless | i wasn't born yesterday, so yes, i used google | 18:03 |
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| sjokkis | DawnFoster: all right. so the service could reflect the name of whichever server we're actually using | 18:04 |
| timeless | no | 18:04 |
| sjokkis | timeless: i was born yesterday, but i try not to make a bit deal out of it | 18:05 |
| DawnFoster | again, a more complicated solution. | 18:05 |
| timeless | it should reflect what users will expect/recognize | 18:05 |
| sjokkis | DawnFoster: more complicated that having two separate services with the exact same code, only differing in their UI? | 18:05 |
| DawnFoster | ok, people - let's be a little less condescending here | 18:05 |
| timeless | which could be something else | 18:05 |
| sjokkis | DawnFoster: we have an established rapport | 18:05 |
| DawnFoster | sjokkis - I've offered my opinion, and I don't make the architecture decisions. | 18:06 |
| timeless | sjokkis: both dawn and myself are looking at things from a ui perspective | 18:06 |
| timeless | code is sometimes, perhaps even oftimes cheap | 18:06 |
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| sjokkis | well, no matter how you want to present this, the implementation of the two services would probably be the same | 18:07 |
| timeless | s/oftimes/offtimes/ | 18:07 |
| infobot | timeless meant: code is sometimes, perhaps even offtimes cheap | 18:07 |
| DawnFoster | regardless of your established rapport, we need to be respectful of each other in this channel | 18:07 |
| timeless | s/oftimes/ofttimes/ | 18:08 |
| infobot | timeless meant: code is sometimes, perhaps even ofttimes cheap | 18:08 |
| * timeless cries | 18:08 | |
| sjokkis | keep trying | 18:08 |
| sjokkis | i think you want "often" | 18:08 |
| DawnFoster | :) | 18:08 |
| timeless | nah, that time i got it right | 18:08 |
| timeless | ofttimes is an archaic word | 18:08 |
| timeless | but it's really the one i wanted | 18:08 |
| cwesterfield | any real computer geniuses want to try and help me? It's likely to take a while | 18:08 |
| timeless | it's not a word i often get the chance to use | 18:09 |
| sjokkis | there is of course a simple alternative here | 18:09 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | cwesterfield: not really, no. | 18:09 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | ;) | 18:09 |
| timeless | well, i'd use my gui iirc client, but it was busy crashing | 18:09 |
| sjokkis | take the existing twitter service, make it generic, and wrap it as "Twitter" and "Identi.ca" respectively | 18:09 |
| cwesterfield | :) | 18:09 |
| sjokkis | same code, two services | 18:09 |
| StsN900 | makes sense | 18:09 |
| timeless | but you didn't ask about that! | 18:09 |
| sjokkis | i actually asked about the UI for adding those accounts | 18:10 |
| timeless | you asked about whether it made sense to have a generic bug that would also cover the lastfm case | 18:10 |
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| sjokkis | timeless: you should ease up on that. it wasn't the core problem here | 18:10 |
| timeless_mbp | it was the only question i was interested in answering | 18:11 |
| sjokkis | if you want it to be one bug, two or ten doesn't matter to me at all | 18:11 |
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| timeless_mbp | the answer is that you would need a distinct specific bug for the last.fm service | 18:11 |
| timeless_mbp | and not a generic one | 18:11 |
| cwesterfield | I cannot get dualboot meego win7 but I don't want to cloud this room, I joined #meego-boot if anyone feels like teaching me something new | 18:11 |
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| timeless_mbp | if someone writes another unrelated client which they hard code to some other service | 18:11 |
| timeless_mbp | then they'd eventually get their own bug for the same thing | 18:11 |
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| timeless_mbp | (if they manage to integrate into meego) | 18:12 |
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| cwesterfield | anyone know what to do about the blackscreen on boot if it is not on an sd card? | 18:16 |
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| DawnFoster | cwesterfield: did any of the dual boot info in the FAQ help you? | 18:20 |
| cwesterfield | I beleive I am in a whole new ballpark | 18:20 |
| cwesterfield | frequntly will be little help | 18:20 |
| cwesterfield | frequently even | 18:20 |
| cwesterfield | Meego blew up my windows 7 install | 18:21 |
| DawnFoster | cwesterfield: in other words, you read the links from the FAQ and are still having issues? | 18:21 |
| cwesterfield | yeah, and the forum, and google | 18:21 |
| DawnFoster | I ask because I'm interested in improving the FAQ :) | 18:21 |
| DawnFoster | not just to be difficult | 18:22 |
| cwesterfield | I hope my situation is a one in a million | 18:22 |
| DawnFoster | ok | 18:22 |
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| cwesterfield | it installed fine, but set my win7 partion to inactive | 18:22 |
| cwesterfield | i set my partion back and rebuilt the bcd and then couldn't get into meego | 18:23 |
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| cwesterfield | so then i added a line in bootrec for the largest partion meego setup using easybcd, but it just boots to black, as if it were the problem some people were having with sd installs | 18:24 |
| zChris | Is there a phone that uses MeeGo out in the open today? | 18:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | zChris: unlikely | 18:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | i don't think there are actually *any* meego devices available in stores today :) | 18:25 |
| robsta | zChris: if there is i'm sure Nokia would like to hear about it | 18:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | robsta: i'm sure we don't want to hear it ;-) | 18:26 |
| airmack | cwesterfield: i am not sure if meego creates a partition for /boot/ or not | 18:27 |
| airmack | you might want to check for it and try booting from there | 18:27 |
| cwesterfield | i'm trying to figure out which partition is the important one | 18:28 |
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| airmack | probably the smallest | 18:28 |
| airmack | < 500MB | 18:28 |
| petsas | anyone managed to make Dell 5530 HSPA device to run on meego? | 18:29 |
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| cwesterfield | I'm pulling up easybcd now, it made 3 partitions, small, 7gb, swap | 18:31 |
| cwesterfield | I'll install an option for the small partition | 18:32 |
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| cwesterfield | setting it to the small one gives me a Boot error message | 18:35 |
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| cwesterfield | I got farther trying to boot to the 7gb partition | 18:35 |
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| pupnik | i wonder if accelerated h.264 is possible on n900 meego | 18:55 |
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| ml-something | pupnik: don't see why not, so long as you're familiar with the dsp | 18:57 |
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| pupnik | this is core work for nokia | 18:58 |
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| pupnik | ibut i would still like to try it out. do some tests | 18:59 |
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| GAN900 | pupnik, isn't it accelerated on Maemo? | 19:04 |
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| odin_ | accelerated via the DSP (co-processor) | 19:09 |
| flailingmonkey | I know some codecs are, for example MP3 | 19:09 |
| flailingmonkey | but h.264 has many different possible ways of being accelerated | 19:09 |
| odin_ | I am also thinking if OpenSSL has a Engine driver for ARM DSP co-processor offload for encryption | 19:09 |
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| odin_ | does the GPU have features to help? have hard much talk of OpenGL based acceleration but not sure on codec | 19:11 |
| odin_ | s/hard/heard/ | 19:11 |
| infobot | odin_ meant: does the GPU have features to help? have heard much talk of OpenGL based acceleration but not sure on codec | 19:11 |
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| microlith | I was under the impression that mp3 was not accelerated due to it not being of much benefit | 19:16 |
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| odin_ | maybe not as 1Mb per minute of data input throughput | 19:18 |
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| odin_ | shell based SSH encrpytion/hmac offload again would not be worth it for a shell session, but a bulk encryption (like backup function) would work well | 19:19 |
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| odin_ | another interesting question, is can bottom half interrupt routines be handled by DSP ? | 19:23 |
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| cwesterfield | if i use the windows bootloader and easybcd, how important is the boot partition? | 19:27 |
| odin_ | you mean the "active" partition, in the partition table ? this being what some people call the "boot partition" ? | 19:28 |
| odin_ | there are a number of uses for the term "boot partition" some WinXP users might call that their system C: drive | 19:29 |
| cwesterfield | I was referring to the partion meego install creats for /boot | 19:30 |
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| odin_ | ok the partition containing the MeeGo /boot filesystem | 19:30 |
| cwesterfield | the meego install set my win7 partition as inactive, and in fixing it I no longer have access to meego | 19:31 |
| cwesterfield | using easybcd to ass meego to the boot options hasn't worked thus far | 19:31 |
| odin_ | yes that is a problem since Vista, Microsoft changed their way they load their OS | 19:31 |
| cwesterfield | ass=add | 19:31 |
| cwesterfield | lol | 19:31 |
| odin_ | ok I think if you have Win7 still working and booting, getting MeeGo to boot as well using EasyBCD to modify bootrec should be possible | 19:32 |
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| cwesterfield | the closest I have gotten it is to start booting and then give me a black screen | 19:32 |
| cwesterfield | which is documented in the forums | 19:33 |
| odin_ | the /boot filesystem if it exists, is important, since it contains the kernel and initrd (on most Linux installs) | 19:33 |
| flailingmonkey | general linux dual-boot guides can help you here | 19:34 |
| odin_ | from a previous conversation in here, it was established that MeeGo for Intel uses SYSLINUX to boot, not GRUB not LILO | 19:34 |
| flailingmonkey | you still need the boot partition, but you can modify the bootloader (this is placed at the very beginning of the drive, before any partitions) to let you select Win7 or MeeGo | 19:34 |
| flailingmonkey | oh really? fun fun fun | 19:34 |
| cwesterfield | i don't think easybcd supports that | 19:34 |
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| odin_ | can EasyBCD see and support ext2 filesystem to load images itself ? | 19:35 |
| cwesterfield | i believe it so support grub, lilo, bsd | 19:35 |
| odin_ | well in EasyBSD does it let you browse your /boot filesystem, so you can see the files in it ? like the vmlinux (kernel) and the initrd ? | 19:35 |
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| cwesterfield | not the way I'm using it | 19:36 |
| odin_ | I would guess that if EasyBCD supports ext2 (read-only) like GRUB does, then it would let you see/browse files from GUI | 19:36 |
| cwesterfield | so far I've just pointed it at a partition. | 19:36 |
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| odin_ | ok you need to get GRUB installed on the partition | 19:37 |
| odin_ | can you boot MeeGo from USB (but mount/use your internal storage) ? | 19:37 |
| cwesterfield | doing it right now | 19:37 |
| odin_ | you want bootlaoder and kernel/initrd from USB Stick, but root from internal storage | 19:38 |
| cwesterfield | had to mount it via terminal, but I bet thats normal | 19:38 |
| odin_ | try to see if you can install grub via package management | 19:38 |
| odin_ | well ideally if you boot USB in rescue mode, you need to chroot into your mounted real root | 19:39 |
| odin_ | so that / and /boot are the correct partitions (from internal storage, not USB Stick) | 19:39 |
| cwesterfield | i have the 262mb partition of /boot mounted as /mnt/1 | 19:40 |
| cwesterfield | and the 7gb as /mnt/2 | 19:40 |
| odin_ | thats a big /boot, usually 100Mb is plenty and for embedded use 32Mb can be plenty | 19:40 |
| odin_ | ok can you umount /mnt/1 | 19:40 |
| cwesterfield | the partitions were setup when i told meego to install itself | 19:40 |
| odin_ | and remount it as /mnt/2/boot ? | 19:41 |
| cwesterfield | yup | 19:41 |
| odin_ | the bigger /boot is fine, just seems like wasted storage (on a potentially storage strapped device) | 19:41 |
| odin_ | ok does "chroot /mnt/2" work and give you a shell ? | 19:41 |
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| odin_ | does 'df' work like you expect with the / and /boot partitions shown as mounted ? | 19:42 |
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| cwesterfield | chroot worked | 19:42 |
| odin_ | df may not work, depends on state of /etc/mtab, but check manually that /boot contains the files you expect and try "df /boot" to check it reports 262Mb max size | 19:43 |
| cwesterfield | df shows sda5 (7gb) and sda3 (boot) | 19:43 |
| odin_ | ok seem luck is on your side today | 19:43 |
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| cwesterfield | df /boot shows /dev/sda3 | 19:43 |
| odin_ | how is grub installed ? does ls -l /sbin/grub* exist ? | 19:43 |
| cwesterfield | I get /sbin/grubby | 19:44 |
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| odin_ | ask your package management if it is installed ? rpm -q grub ? yum info grub ? try "yum search grub" to see if you can install grub from repo ? | 19:44 |
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| cwesterfield | rpm -q grub show it is not installed | 19:46 |
| odin_ | try: yum install grub ? # and cross your fingers | 19:46 |
| CosmoHill | rpm -q syslinux | 19:46 |
| cwesterfield | with the ? | 19:47 |
| odin_ | sorry, no | 19:47 |
| CosmoHill | without | 19:47 |
| cwesterfield | "yum install grub" | 19:47 |
| cwesterfield | didn't like that at all | 19:47 |
| cwesterfield | should i try with rpm? | 19:47 |
| CosmoHill | can't | 19:48 |
| odin_ | no rpm only installs a local file | 19:48 |
| CosmoHill | rpm is the working, yum is the manager | 19:48 |
| cwesterfield | ahh | 19:48 |
| odin_ | yum works a remote repo to get it and then installs a local file | 19:48 |
| CosmoHill | s/working/worker | 19:48 |
| cwesterfield | should i be in the /mnt/2/boot directory? | 19:48 |
| CosmoHill | with yum it doesn't matter | 19:49 |
| cwesterfield | didn't think so | 19:49 |
| odin_ | so I guess you need to pettion your upstream support, the "Intel community" over getting grub built via OBS and in public repos | 19:49 |
| cwesterfield | hosed huh? | 19:49 |
| odin_ | the problem at the moment is the community can not fix this problem | 19:50 |
| odin_ | since they have no community OBS to fix it with | 19:50 |
| odin_ | it is hoped it maybe online within the next 2 weeks but it being worked on at this time | 19:50 |
| CosmoHill | hmm | 19:50 |
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| cwesterfield | well i apreciate the effort | 19:51 |
| odin_ | When is MeeGo 1.1 due out ? | 19:51 |
| odin_ | is that the October release ? | 19:51 |
| CosmoHill | try this | 19:52 |
| odin_ | It would be real funny if 1.1 comes out before simple accessible matters like this are addresses, that would definitely be a reason to fork MeeGo | 19:52 |
| CosmoHill | "yum search grub" | 19:52 |
| CosmoHill | also you know that yum isn't the default manager for meego? | 19:53 |
| cwesterfield | losts of errors | 19:53 |
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| cwesterfield | pastebin.com/HP9azwhW | 19:55 |
| cwesterfield | i did not | 19:55 |
| cwesterfield | *know that | 19:55 |
| gour | me too | 19:56 |
| CosmoHill | how weird | 19:56 |
| CosmoHill | ls /proc/cpuinfo | 19:56 |
| cwesterfield | proc exists, cpuinfo does not | 19:58 |
| slonopotamus | cwesterfield: next time, paste links with http:// part. that way they are clickable in irc clients :) | 19:58 |
| CosmoHill | that's an interesting issue | 19:58 |
| CosmoHill | slonopotamus: I was thinking that too | 19:58 |
| cwesterfield | sorry :/ | 19:58 |
| slonopotamus | cwesterfield: no problem | 19:58 |
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| cwesterfield | I guess I'll blast the partitions and make my sd card a live install | 19:59 |
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| cwesterfield | thanks for the help though | 20:00 |
| slonopotamus | cwesterfield: is /proc mounted at all? | 20:01 |
| slonopotamus | cwesterfield: mount | grep /proc | 20:01 |
| cwesterfield | not sure, I shut it off. If you are around when i get back from lunch I'll check in with you | 20:02 |
| slonopotamus | cwesterfield: if it isn't, run 'mount -t proc proc /proc' as root | 20:02 |
| * slonopotamus can't remember why it needs three 'proc' | 20:02 | |
| slonopotamus | maybe mount -t proc none /proc will work too | 20:03 |
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| CosmoHill | file type, thingy and mount point | 20:03 |
| slonopotamus | CosmoHill: and what's 'proc' thingy? | 20:04 |
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| CosmoHill | like mount -t xfs /dev/sda1 /mount/sata1.1 | 20:04 |
| CosmoHill | if I knew I wouldn't of called it thingy | 20:04 |
| slonopotamus | or it just accepts anything there? | 20:04 |
| CosmoHill | i think it's like shm, it's something the kernel knows about but it doesn't have a location in /dev | 20:04 |
| slonopotamus | okaaay | 20:05 |
| CosmoHill | try it without and see what happens | 20:05 |
| slonopotamus | mkdir hell & mount -t proc heaven hell works too :) | 20:05 |
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| CosmoHill | hehe cool | 20:05 |
| slonopotamus | cwesterfield-awa: fail | 20:06 |
| CosmoHill | cwesterfield-awa: you missed a Y | 20:06 |
| slonopotamus | CosmoHill: he hit limit | 20:06 |
| CosmoHill | "afk"? | 20:06 |
| cwesterfield-awa | seems better | 20:06 |
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| slonopotamus | cheater | 20:06 |
| CosmoHill | I've seen bigger names that that | 20:06 |
| slonopotamus | CosmoHill: 16 chars limit | 20:07 |
| CosmoHill | dammit | 20:08 |
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| qwertyuiopasdfgh | I'm up to 19 | 20:09 |
| Quu | NICKLEN=16 | 20:10 |
| Quu | thats what server info says | 20:10 |
| qwertyuiopasdfgh | oh year | 20:10 |
| qwertyuiopasdfgh | yeah* | 20:10 |
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| CosmoHill | okay on another IRC server I'm up to 26 | 20:10 |
| Quu | i got 45 on my server :p | 20:10 |
| CosmoHill | Quu: how'd you find it out? | 20:10 |
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| Quu | /version | 20:11 |
| CosmoHill | it doesn't like that | 20:11 |
| CosmoHill | Xchat Aqua | 20:11 |
| Quu | well, atleast on irssi it works | 20:11 |
| Quu | dunno :p | 20:11 |
| Quu | you could try /quote version | 20:12 |
| CosmoHill | ah thanks | 20:12 |
| CosmoHill | 30 is the limit on LFS | 20:13 |
| CosmoHill | same for aniverse | 20:13 |
| Quu | 32 on mixxnet :p | 20:14 |
| microlith | at some point you've passed beyond the ability to follow all of them :) | 20:14 |
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| CosmoHill | I think 13 is good, only because I have a line of my IRC client, slonopotamus is just the right length | 20:15 |
| sjokkis | is there some way i can add support for ext4 to meego/ | 20:15 |
| sjokkis | it's very annoying not being able to mount my home partition | 20:15 |
| CosmoHill | you'd need to built it as a kernel module | 20:15 |
| slonopotamus | sjokkis: compile kernel module? | 20:16 |
| sjokkis | aight | 20:16 |
| sjokkis | just figured there might be a repository somewhere that has a kernel with support | 20:16 |
| CosmoHill | dammit, my desktop can't handle 720p | 20:17 |
| CosmoHill | hmm now it seems okay | 20:17 |
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| odin_ | what is the default app manage, zypper (or whatever its called) ? | 20:25 |
| slonopotamus | odin_: yum? | 20:26 |
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| odin_ | cwesterfield-afk, hi, /proc is not mounted, because you are CHROOTed ! | 20:26 |
| odin_ | cwesterfield-afk, maybe exit out of chroot, and "mount --bind /proc /mnt/2/proc" ? then chroot back in "chroot /mnt/2" and retry "yum search grub" | 20:27 |
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| * odin_ wonders why yum need /proc/cpuinfo for arch, when "uname -a" and its system call is surely more correct | 20:28 | |
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| slonopotamus | odin_: reading files is easier than spawning processes | 20:31 |
| slonopotamus | however, i think that arch is accessible in 'sys' module | 20:32 |
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| slonopotamus | maybe it wanted something more than just arch | 20:34 |
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| odin_ | lol, you don't need to spawn a process for uname -a, its a system called | 20:47 |
| odin_ | man 2 uname ? | 20:47 |
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| slonopotamus | odin_: whatever. /proc/cpuinfo simply has more data than uname givs | 20:57 |
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| odin_ | sure but its not actually that easy to parse, for example working out if you are 64bit distro and therefore exactly what Arch are you, it also has future proofing issues (like new CPU old software/distro), I'm sure it uses a mix but am surprised it "crashes out" when it can't read it, as-if it is fatal | 21:01 |
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| GkNs | is someone here that can help me?? i'm a windwos user, and i'm trying to figure out why i cannot install things using garage | 21:43 |
| GkNs | i read about the bug but since i'm a windows user i don't know how to start. | 21:43 |
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| TomaszD | GkNs, what are you trying to install? | 21:45 |
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| GkNs | i'm trying to figure out why i cannot install anything using garage | 21:45 |
| cwesterfield-afk | westerfield | 21:46 |
| cwesterfield-afk | lame | 21:46 |
| TomaszD | GkNs, I don't get it. what garage, what do you want to install? | 21:46 |
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| GkNs | lets say i want to install AbiWord.. it just gives me a error, nothing else | 21:47 |
| TomaszD | GkNs, downloading packages from outside the safe repositories is a bad idea | 21:48 |
| westerfield | odin_ > you around? | 21:48 |
| TomaszD | however, abiword is available in extras-devel | 21:48 |
| odin_ | westerfield, indeed | 21:49 |
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| westerfield | do you have time to try and help me get grun installed? | 21:50 |
| westerfield | *grub | 21:50 |
| odin_ | westerfield, have you got the package installed ? | 21:50 |
| odin_ | is it in the MeeGo repos? | 21:51 |
| westerfield | booting from flashdrive now | 21:51 |
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| westerfield | Manage apps, right? | 21:53 |
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| TomaszD | oops, I just realized this is meego, not maemo | 21:55 |
| odin_ | I see grub at http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.0/core/repos/ia32/packages/i586/grub-0.97-51.13.i586.rpm | 21:55 |
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| westerfield | should i remount the partition on the harddrive? | 21:56 |
| sjokkis | is there a reason why meego switches TTY on alt+left/right? | 21:56 |
| sjokkis | it's pretty annoying, considering that is a common keyboard shortcut | 21:57 |
| odin_ | in text mode ? or X11 ? | 21:57 |
| sjokkis | x11 | 21:57 |
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| odin_ | westerfield, yes, mount up / and /boot and /proc into the same tree, then chroot to it | 21:57 |
| odin_ | sjokkis, so you switch desktop's or you switch TTY (i.e. you go out of X11 and to a text mode console) ? | 21:58 |
| sjokkis | the latter | 21:58 |
| sjokkis | it *also* triggers the X11 keyboard shortcut, so it's really all sorts of screwed up | 21:58 |
| odin_ | sjokkis, so much for not zero-config-no-Xorg.conf camp... I guess you need to create Xorg.conf and set an option | 21:59 |
| sjokkis | odin_: it's a very bad default, though. i guess i should file a bug | 21:59 |
| tmzt | sjokkis: probably the kernel keymap has Prev/Next mapped | 22:00 |
| tmzt | I had to do that on a device without function keys | 22:00 |
| odin_ | sjokkis, I can't see in 17.x how you can even set it, there is Ctrl+Alt+{Plus,Minus,Delete,Backspace,F1...F12} but no arrow left/right | 22:00 |
| westerfield | I have the 7gb partition (/dev/sda5) mounted as /mnt/hd, next i wount the 262 partition (sda3) as /mnt/hd/boot/ ... right? | 22:01 |
| sjokkis | odin_: just alt+left/right. ctrl+alt+left/right switches zone | 22:01 |
| sjokkis | alt+left/right should, of course, be prev/next | 22:01 |
| sjokkis | in the current application | 22:01 |
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| westerfield | how do i do the /proc folder? | 22:02 |
| sjokkis | it is that, but it also swaps between X11 and TTY | 22:02 |
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| westerfield | nvrmind | 22:04 |
| westerfield | I found it in the history | 22:05 |
| odin_ | are you chroot yet ? does "wget" work ? | 22:07 |
| odin_ | does "yum install grub" work / | 22:07 |
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| westerfield | i did yum search grub | 22:10 |
| odin_ | and it returned a grub.i586 package ? | 22:10 |
| westerfield | http://pastebin.org/307435 | 22:11 |
| westerfield | yes it did | 22:11 |
| odin_ | so now you can "yum install grub" | 22:12 |
| westerfield | its going | 22:12 |
| odin_ | once done you need to pastebin your "/sbin/fdisk -l" output | 22:12 |
| westerfield | i get no output | 22:13 |
| odin_ | ah maybe thats due to chroot, as /dev is not created, exit chroot and try it | 22:13 |
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| odin_ | type 'exit' once, then run 'fdisk -l' then go back into chroot enviroment 'chroot /mnt/whatever' | 22:14 |
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| westerfield | http://pastebin.org/307438 | 22:14 |
| odin_ | maybe also add 'df' to the pastebin (from inside chroot) and "ls -l /boot" output | 22:15 |
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| westerfield | http://pastebin.org/307441 | 22:15 |
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| odin_ | ok run "grub" then type commands "root (hd0,2)" check it confirms it is EXT2 or EXT3 format | 22:18 |
| westerfield | just so i know, how do know its 0,2 ??? | 22:19 |
| odin_ | it MUST come back is a line acknowledging it detects EXT2 or EXT3 file system (from the "root (hd0,2)" command), if so then it is safe to run "setup (hd0,2)" this writes data into it | 22:19 |
| odin_ | well hd0, is the first HDD, which I presume you only have one and its /dev/sda in your fdisk pastey, the ",2" is the 3rd partition (0-based, i.e. numbered from 0) | 22:20 |
| odin_ | the fact you get a line back from grub confirming EXT2 or EXT3 detection, means you are ok to run setup command | 22:20 |
| odin_ | you are writing grub into the partition, not into the MBR | 22:21 |
| westerfield | i get "error 21: the selected disk does not exist" | 22:22 |
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| odin_ | next you need to confirm /boot/grub/grub.conf looks setup ok, file names are correct, "root (hd0,2)" is in use | 22:22 |
| westerfield | should i exit chroot? | 22:22 |
| odin_ | nope, try "/dev/MAKEDEV sda" ? | 22:22 |
| westerfield | in grub? | 22:22 |
| westerfield | or just in chroot? | 22:22 |
| odin_ | no sorry, from a shell | 22:22 |
| odin_ | inside chroot | 22:22 |
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| odin_ | is not we can exit chroot and copy from /dev/ to /mnt/whatever/dev/ the device files | 22:23 |
| westerfield | http://pastebin.org/307446 | 22:24 |
| odin_ | after running "/dev/MAKEDEV sda" you should have a file /dev/sda (when inside chroot) | 22:24 |
| odin_ | I hope you are writing all this down, so you can write a Wiki page explaining what you did :) | 22:24 |
| westerfield | lol, i have all the history | 22:24 |
| odin_ | exit chroot, try "ls -l /dev/MAKEDEV" | 22:24 |
| odin_ | don't forget history might disappear after logout from USB root? | 22:25 |
| westerfield | i mean from irc | 22:25 |
| westerfield | i'll save it as txt | 22:25 |
| westerfield | no such file or directory | 22:26 |
| odin_ | ls -l /bin/mknod ? | 22:26 |
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| westerfield | got that one | 22:27 |
| odin_ | ok re-enter chroot enviroment, check /bin/mknod is there too (should be) | 22:27 |
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| westerfield | it is | 22:27 |
| odin_ | ok run "/bin/mknod -m 0660 /dev/sda b 8 0" | 22:28 |
| odin_ | try "fdisk -l" see if it works now (from inside chroot, it didn't before) | 22:28 |
| westerfield | run both from chroot? | 22:28 |
| odin_ | yes from inside chroot | 22:29 |
| westerfield | it works from inside now | 22:29 |
| odin_ | ok no run "grub" and from inside grub run "root (hd0,2)" | 22:30 |
| odin_ | check for EXT2 or EXT3 filesystem detection line, paste it in here | 22:30 |
| odin_ | or maybe you cant paste it :) Duh | 22:30 |
| westerfield | i type badly, but i'm willing | 22:30 |
| westerfield | Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83 | 22:31 |
| odin_ | its just 1 line, its very important, to ensure the next command doesn't hose your system by writing over something that is not /boot | 22:31 |
| odin_ | ok now run "setup (hd0,2)" check for confirmation (no errors) then you can "quit" | 22:31 |
| sjokkis | anyone know where the code for the "My conversations" list lives? | 22:32 |
| odin_ | now edit/check the contents of /boot/grub/menu.lst (aka grub.conf) | 22:32 |
| westerfield | http://pastebin.org/307458 | 22:32 |
| odin_ | ok exit grub, what are the content of /boot ? and /boot/grub ? | 22:34 |
| westerfield | even though it err'ed | 22:34 |
| westerfield | ?? | 22:34 |
| odin_ | yes you can quit, you don't have the files in /boot/grub | 22:34 |
| odin_ | the post-install of grub.rpm didn't make them, so they need to be installed | 22:35 |
| sjokkis | is it safe to pull kernels from some other project? i need some stuff not in meego, and i'd rather not compile my own | 22:35 |
| westerfield | http://pastebin.org/307461 | 22:35 |
| odin_ | sjokkis, for intel ? pretty much, for arm, not really | 22:35 |
| odin_ | sjokkis, safe means, will my device catch fire, nope it wont | 22:36 |
| * odin_ thinks about BME issues... lol | 22:36 | |
| odin_ | westerfield, ok and /boot/grub ? | 22:37 |
| westerfield | its in there | 22:37 |
| westerfield | the pastebin | 22:37 |
| westerfield | nothing in it except splash.xpm.gz | 22:37 |
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| odin_ | westerfield, ok, do you have a dir: /usr/share/grub/* ? or maybe /usr/lib/grub/* ? | 22:41 |
| westerfield | come out of chroot to check? | 22:41 |
| odin_ | westerfield, no from inside chroot, since you installed grub from in there (didn't you?) | 22:42 |
| westerfield | yup | 22:42 |
| odin_ | westerfield, which path do you have ? /usr/share/grub/i386-pc/ ? yu are looking for a dir with files "e2fs_stage1_5" and "stage1" etc... maybe upto 10 files ? change dir with "cd" to that dir | 22:43 |
| westerfield | I have a /usr/share/grub/i386-pc | 22:43 |
| odin_ | ok: cd /usr/share/grub/i386-pc | 22:43 |
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| odin_ | then "cp -i * /boot/grub/" | 22:43 |
| westerfield | k | 22:43 |
| odin_ | now check /boot/grub/ contents, type "cd" to get out of i386-pc dir | 22:44 |
| Quu | you are still battling with same thing? :p | 22:44 |
| Quu | its been like 4 hours | 22:44 |
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| odin_ | now run "grub" again and run "root (hd0,2)" check for ext2fs confirmation line | 22:44 |
| odin_ | Quu, just 1 hour now since start | 22:45 |
| Quu | hehe | 22:45 |
| westerfield | same line | 22:45 |
| odin_ | westerfield, is going to write a Wiki page, aren''t you ?? | 22:45 |
| odin_ | ok if you get ext2fs confirmation use "setup (hd0,2)" | 22:45 |
| sjokkis | hm. after installing, it seems that meego has flushed my other distros from the bootloader. anyone know how to fix that, off hand? | 22:45 |
| sjokkis | is it grub or lilo? | 22:45 |
| westerfield | I'm going to cut out all the parts that are good and submit it, but I can't explain much of it | 22:46 |
| odin_ | did setup work this time ? | 22:46 |
| odin_ | if so, we need to cleanup and check grub.conf is ready | 22:46 |
| westerfield | http://pastebin.org/307473 | 22:46 |
| westerfield | not sure, but doubtful | 22:47 |
| odin_ | ah ok you need /dev/sda3 creating | 22:47 |
| odin_ | quit from grub | 22:47 |
| odin_ | run: /bin/mknod -m 0660 /dev/sda3 b 8 3 | 22:48 |
| sjokkis | odin_: if meego uses grub, why is there practically nothing in /boot/grub? | 22:49 |
| odin_ | check "ls -l /dev/sda*" | 22:49 |
| odin_ | sjokkis, it doesn't it uses SYSLINUX, this info in this channel with westerfield is about how to install grub, in westerfield he wants to dual boot with Win7 using BootECD | 22:49 |
| sjokkis | odin_: i'm wondering because installing meego seems to have made it impossible for me to boot into ubuntu | 22:50 |
| sjokkis | at least until i fix it, somehow | 22:50 |
| odin_ | westerfield, if you have 2 devices "8,0 => sda" and "8,3 => sda3" run "grub" again | 22:50 |
| westerfield | i get /dev/sda and then /dev/sda3 | 22:50 |
| odin_ | from grub, one more time... run "root (hd0,2)" and then check ext2fs detection confirmation info line, then run "setup (hd0,2)" #and cross your fingers | 22:51 |
| westerfield | succeded!!!! | 22:51 |
| odin_ | ok now we cleanup, "quit" grub and delete the files /dev/sda and /dev/sda3 (otherwise may interfere with udev on reboot) | 22:51 |
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| odin_ | now "cd /boot/grub" and you need to create symlink: ln -s menu.lst grub.conf | 22:52 |
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| westerfield | rm remove special file '/dev/sda'? | 22:52 |
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| odin_ | now open a new file "grub.conf" in text editor, you need to set it up | 22:52 |
| odin_ | westerfield, yes remove | 22:52 |
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| westerfield | do i use vi? | 22:53 |
| odin_ | do you know how to use "vi" ? | 22:53 |
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| westerfield | barely, but nano is no where to be found | 22:54 |
| odin_ | try "yum install nano" | 22:54 |
| sjokkis | odin_: do i have to do the same as westerfield is doing here in order to recover my ubuntu install? | 22:54 |
| odin_ | sjokkis, yep sort of | 22:54 |
| sjokkis | sort of? | 22:54 |
| odin_ | sjokkis, well unless you are really sure on a couple of key matters, you could risk data loss by just trying to follow the points | 22:55 |
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| westerfield | now i have the grub.conf open | 22:55 |
| odin_ | ok I setup a pastey with what I think it should look like for you | 22:56 |
| odin_ | what is your root fs again ? /dev/sdaX ? type "fdisk -l" and "df" and confirm | 22:58 |
| westerfield | out of chroot? | 22:59 |
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| odin_ | I think 'df' was correct inside, but fdisk wont work not /dev/sda? was deleted | 23:00 |
| westerfield | i'll get you df | 23:00 |
| odin_ | I am expected sda5 | 23:00 |
| westerfield | http://pastey.net/137263 | 23:01 |
| odin_ | what is in /boot/efi and /boot/extlinux ? is there no initrd image for MeeGo Linux ? | 23:01 |
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| odin_ | is the rootfs EXT3 or BTRFS ? cat /proc/mounts | grep sda5 | 23:03 |
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| westerfield | http://pastey.net/137264 | 23:03 |
| odin_ | does the MeeGo kernel bootup in readonly mode or read-write ? | 23:04 |
| tmzt | cat /proc/cmdline | 23:04 |
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| westerfield | btrfs | 23:04 |
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| odin_ | ok just checking, I have seen the claim but I think the N900/ARM is ext3, ok I think Im ready | 23:05 |
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| westerfield | http://pastey.net/137265 | 23:05 |
| odin_ | do you have a file /boot/grub/*btrfs* ? | 23:05 |
| odin_ | actually I don't think that matter, since grub doesn't need access to rootfs, only /boot which is ext3 | 23:06 |
| westerfield | i don't, but OK | 23:06 |
| odin_ | http://pastebin.com/hRmPyG34 for grub.conf | 23:07 |
| odin_ | no initrd setup, it should at least let you boot, I'm not sure on "ro" or "rw" for rootfs mount, hence two menu options | 23:08 |
| odin_ | once that is done, exit chroot, unmount /boot and /mnt/whatever | 23:09 |
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| westerfield | what would be the differences between ro and rw | 23:10 |
| westerfield | ability to update kernel? | 23:10 |
| odin_ | you need to confirm Win7 still boots up next, then run EasyBCD | 23:10 |
| odin_ | no how the rootfs is mounted, it gets remounted rw, but there is no initrd in use, so it might need rw on bootup | 23:11 |
| odin_ | but we try for "ro" first | 23:11 |
| westerfield | shutting dowm now | 23:11 |
| westerfield | win 7 still works !!!! | 23:12 |
| Quu | good, now you can format it :p | 23:13 |
| westerfield | as soon as codecs are good enough on linux to play 720p files on an atom i will | 23:13 |
| odin_ | re run EasyBCD, so it knows your Linux partition is your 256Mb one for /boot | 23:13 |
| odin_ | now reboot and try the MeeGo/Linux option, it should pickup GRUB embded in /boot fs partition | 23:14 |
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| odin_ | you now have 30 mins to get a Wiki page up there and paste the link back in here :) | 23:15 |
| westerfield | oh yeah, it totally did | 23:15 |
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| odin_ | ??? are you booting MeeGo now ? | 23:16 |
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| odin_ | is there any problem with root being 'ro' ? and no initrd ? | 23:16 |
| westerfield | yup, it never even asked me about ro or rw | 23:16 |
| odin_ | no the default option is for 'ro' which is the prefered | 23:16 |
| westerfield | it just booted right in | 23:16 |
| odin_ | if there is no error, then you can remove the RW image option in grub.conf, you needed to hit a button at GRUB to get menu up to select a non-default item | 23:17 |
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| odin_ | westerfield, how did you first install MeeGo ? | 23:19 |
| westerfield | flashdrive | 23:19 |
| odin_ | westerfield, maybe the installation option needs a script that detects presence of Vista/Win7 and automates the setup of grub embeded into the /boot partition (to be honest for the tiny space it consumes, might as well do it anyway for convenience) | 23:20 |
| westerfield | i used gparted to make a 8gb empty partition | 23:20 |
| odin_ | you booted from flashdrive into an installer, which you guided it to a partition on internal storage ? | 23:21 |
| westerfield | then let the installer partition that space | 23:21 |
| westerfield | exactly | 23:21 |
| odin_ | (or rather guided into 3 partitions, /boot rootfs and swap) | 23:21 |
| westerfield | right | 23:21 |
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| westerfield | and it set the win7 partition as inactive | 23:21 |
| odin_ | then that installer should do that by default, its it just too dammed convenient not to | 23:22 |
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| westerfield | you have a much better handle on what is happening, seems like a good request ticket though | 23:22 |
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| odin_ | westerfield, you should be 7 minutes into that 30 minutes doing the Wiki page (as best you can), i.e. not playing with your MeeGo install anymore :) | 23:24 |
| westerfield | :) buzzkill | 23:24 |
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| sjokkis | odin_: do you know what i need to do to reclaim my ubuntu install? | 23:28 |
| sjokkis | do you have a couple of minutes to help me out? | 23:28 |
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| odin_ | sjokkis, what can you boot ? do you have an 'fdisk -l' output ? and can identify each partition's purpose ? | 23:29 |
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| sjokkis | i have nothing on fdisk -l actually | 23:31 |
| sjokkis | i can only boot meego | 23:31 |
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| odin_ | sjokkis, then do you understand your all your storage on your device ? what is your device ? what kind of storage does it have | 23:31 |
| odin_ | sjokkis, boot meego from USB stick, running rootfs from USB stick ? | 23:32 |
| sjokkis | i installed meego to a partition on my harddrive | 23:32 |
| sjokkis | you want me to reboot from the usb stick? | 23:32 |
| odin_ | sjokkis, what is it running now (if not USB Stick, which is the only thing that boots) ? | 23:32 |
| sjokkis | right now i'm running meego from my harddrive | 23:33 |
| odin_ | sjokkis, you have meego running from HDD (no stick and booting ok) ? | 23:33 |
| sjokkis | yup | 23:33 |
| odin_ | sjokkis, have you installed 'grub' with 'yum install grub' | 23:33 |
| sjokkis | yes | 23:33 |
| sjokkis | i did that a few minutes ago | 23:33 |
| odin_ | sjokkis, why doesn't 'fdisk -l' work ? | 23:33 |
| sjokkis | sorry. it works with sudo | 23:33 |
| odin_ | sjokkis, what is in /dev ? what does /proc/mounts and /proc/swaps say ? | 23:33 |
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| sjokkis | fdisk -l works | 23:34 |
| sjokkis | and i can identify my other partitions | 23:34 |
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| odin_ | sjokkis, ok create pastebin and annotate each partition with its purpose, you must be able to identify your own system data | 23:34 |
| sjokkis | i am. 2 sec | 23:34 |
| odin_ | sjokkis, do you share /boot and share swap ? (this is possible you know) | 23:34 |
| odin_ | sjokkis, share between meego and ubuntu | 23:34 |
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| odin_ | sjokkis, if you have 2 /boot I would recommend you dump the meego one, or merge them into each other using the larged of the 2 partitions, maybe looking for 128Mb or so in size | 23:37 |
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| sjokkis | i am currently using separate /boot | 23:37 |
| sjokkis | odin_: http://pastebin.com/7PiVzbRp | 23:37 |
| odin_ | sjokkis, I would put GRUB control back to Ubuntu's /boot partition, then fixup MeeGo to boot | 23:37 |
| sjokkis | i agree | 23:37 |
| sjokkis | i'm not sure how though | 23:38 |
| odin_ | heh a 2.5Gb /boot, hmm... thats a bit big sda5 | 23:38 |
| sjokkis | 250mb | 23:38 |
| odin_ | 2963961 blocks at 1KiB each | 23:39 |
| sjokkis | i must have accidentally added a zero, then | 23:39 |
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| sjokkis | disk it cheap :p | 23:39 |
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| odin_ | maybe check you have identified it correctly, "mkdir /mnt/boot; mount -r /dev/sda5 /mnt/boot" | 23:39 |
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| odin_ | given 200Mb is plenty for /boot and that it is also the first partition on the disk, switch to use /dev/sda1 | 23:40 |
| odin_ | what does 'df' report for usage after you mounted /mnt/boot ? | 23:40 |
| sjokkis | odin_: oh shite, you're right. sda5 is swap | 23:40 |
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| odin_ | sjokkis, ok is it shared ? cat /proc/swaps (what dvice is MeeGo using for swap) | 23:41 |
| sjokkis | meego uses sda5, | 23:41 |
| sjokkis | i set up partitions manually | 23:42 |
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| odin_ | ok then the issue you have is you need to find/locate your ubuntu kernel/initrd images, maybe take a look at the ubuntu rootfs with: | 23:42 |
| odin_ | mkdir /mnt/root; mount -w /dev/sda3 /mnt/root | 23:42 |
| sjokkis | i believe i did not have a separate boot partition | 23:42 |
| odin_ | then do "ls -lR /boot" to a pastebin | 23:42 |
| tmzt | maybe chainloading would be easier in this case | 23:42 |
| sjokkis | odin_: i'd do that, except sda3 is ext4 | 23:43 |
| sjokkis | can' t be mounted in meego | 23:43 |
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| sjokkis | odin_: if we can easily chainload to /dev/sda3, that's certainly acceptable | 23:44 |
| odin_ | does the machine bootup into MeeGo (without require some kind of intervention ? i.e. automatically) | 23:44 |
| sjokkis | yes | 23:44 |
| odin_ | no ignore chainload info | 23:44 |
| odin_ | need "ls -lR /boot" output in pastey | 23:45 |
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| odin_ | are you there ? | 23:48 |
| sjokkis | odin_: http://pastebin.ca/1877481 | 23:48 |
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| odin_ | I'm going to guess you have a file /boot/extlinux/mbr.bak and I would guess if you write that to your MBR you can boot ubuntu | 23:49 |
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| odin_ | but you'd need a backup plan just in case you hose your bootup, if you do that | 23:49 |
| odin_ | it also looks like the file doesn't cover the partition table info, so that would need to be merged to use mbr.bak | 23:50 |
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| odin_ | ok there is no ubuntu kernel anywhere, so since you can't mount ext4 (to check the ubuntu rootfs into /boot there) and MeeGo doesn't provide a kernel-modules-addon-pack :) for ext4 support | 23:52 |
| odin_ | and you don't have a working grub installed, you are best trying to do anything from a ubuntu rescue disk | 23:52 |
| odin_ | if the ubuntu rootfs /boot dir is empty, then you annihilated your ubuntu kernels, hopefully it is not empty, but contains a working grub | 23:52 |
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| sjokkis | odin_: how do you suggest i proceed after i've booted into ubuntu? | 23:53 |
| odin_ | sjokkis, check the /dev/sda3 by mounting it, then look in /boot, you hope it is not empty | 23:53 |
| sjokkis | and then? | 23:54 |
| odin_ | sjokkis, if it is not empty, you can reactivate ubuntu grub from rescue disk, then reboot into ubuntu | 23:54 |
| sjokkis | how would i get into meego after that? | 23:54 |
| odin_ | sjokkis, then make MeeGo boot by editing Ubuntu's grub.conf | 23:54 |
| odin_ | sjokkis, but if you find /boot empty | 23:54 |
| odin_ | sjokkis, then you have lost your ubunto /boot (maybe via reformat of /boot in sda1 during MeeGo install) | 23:55 |
| sjokkis | sda1 had another distro. i deleted sda1 manually before installing meego to that space | 23:55 |
| odin_ | sjokkis, and you'd need to recover the ubunto kernels and initrd, maybe by reinstalling (with force options) the kernel package from ubuntu | 23:55 |
| odin_ | sjokkis, then there is great hope that sda3 has a /boot which is not empty | 23:56 |
| tmzt | boot a recovery and chroot to your ubuntu | 23:56 |
| tmzt | and run update-grub | 23:56 |
| sjokkis | roger | 23:56 |
| tmzt | hopefully that's enough, sometimes it isn't though | 23:56 |
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| sjokkis | it probably will be, in this case | 23:56 |
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