| RagnarokAngel | spide: You tried installing the SUSE rpms for xvid? | 00:00 |
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| RagnarokAngel | spide: Worth a shot at least http://packman.links2linux.de/package/xvidcore | 00:01 |
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| RagnarokAngel | spide: actually looks like the forums have the answers! including snagging totem from the repos. http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=269 | 00:04 |
| RagnarokAngel | but that does look like it's doing some compiling… | 00:05 |
| RagnarokAngel | but that shouldn't be that big of a deal, really, it's just time consuming. | 00:05 |
| spide | actually what the totem is complaining is the lack of mp3 support :) | 00:08 |
| DavidOC | is it possible to get network-manager for moblin? | 00:09 |
| thiago_home | DavidOC: no | 00:09 |
| thiago_home | it's connman | 00:09 |
| RagnarokAngel | spide: eh? | 00:09 |
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| RagnarokAngel | I don't think we'll get packages for many non-free components | 00:11 |
| spide | there is no mp3 codec installed | 00:11 |
| RagnarokAngel | spide: http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=1762&postcount=2 | 00:11 |
| RagnarokAngel | seems to be a solution | 00:11 |
| Tm_T | huh, noone yelled "use vorbis" yet | 00:12 |
| thiago_home | use vorbis! | 00:13 |
| thiago_home | there :-P | 00:13 |
| Tm_T | thiago_home: I tried to be more subtle but that'll do (:) | 00:14 |
| * Tm_T is master of subtelty | 00:14 | |
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| spide | installation fails :( | 00:19 |
| RagnarokAngel | lame | 00:21 |
| lcuk | life. | 00:21 |
| lcuk | spide, double check you followed instructions | 00:21 |
| lcuk | hopefully you will notice something simplistic, if not you could file a bug. | 00:22 |
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| spide | i got the generic package and copied to .so file to gstreamer plugins directory and got it working. | 00:26 |
| spide | now the issue is the xvid support :) | 00:27 |
| spide | rpm didn | 00:27 |
| spide | t work for me | 00:27 |
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| freeedrich| | so.. how'd I set up 3G with meego v1.0 netbook? | 00:38 |
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| koupsaa | hello. howto share repertory with bluetooth. i try to send foto from my phone to meego. they are already pair | 01:04 |
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| Monotoko | hello there guys | 01:07 |
| w00t_ | hi hi | 01:08 |
| Monotoko | i was just wondering if any developers are in here...or if it would be possible to get hold of a developer? | 01:08 |
| w00t_ | depends, 'developer' is a very broad term :-) | 01:09 |
| w00t_ | what are you after specifically? | 01:09 |
| Monotoko | i have a device (O2 Joggler) which other OS's can be installed on, Meego would be perfect but at the moment will not work | 01:09 |
| Monotoko | now i dont know enough about anything to make it work...but from what iv heard its having a problem wit the graphics card | 01:10 |
| Monotoko | can i post a link to the hardware list? | 01:11 |
| w00t_ | if/when Stskeeps shows up, he might be able to point you to some joggler folks who can probably help out | 01:12 |
| Monotoko | already in the joggler room :P they jus said it aint working -.- | 01:12 |
| w00t_ | ah.. well, device work is really better done by the people who have/know the device.. i'm not sure many people here would have one (though there's doubtless a few) | 01:13 |
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| CLabel | image creation died: python: ../../rpmio/rpmio_internal.h:272: c2f: Assertion `fd && fd->magic == 0x04463138' failed | 01:14 |
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| CLabel | new try, maybe my fs was just full | 01:17 |
| Monotoko | hmmm im having an issue with my netbook, my wifi card does not appear to be detected | 01:19 |
| Monotoko | iv only got wired :/ | 01:19 |
| DavidOC | mine is detected and can find networks but I can't connect to my WPA network | 01:20 |
| w00t_ | Monotoko: what card? | 01:20 |
| w00t_ | if it's a realtek, i know your pain :) | 01:20 |
| Monotoko | w00t_, broadcom BCM4312 | 01:22 |
| w00t_ | similar pain | 01:22 |
| w00t_ | hold on | 01:22 |
| Monotoko | ahha i believe i may have found something... | 01:23 |
| w00t_ | http://slaine.org/_slaine/Meego_1.0_Wifi.html # might be helpful | 01:23 |
| Monotoko | w00t_, thats what i was just looking at :P | 01:23 |
| * w00t_ is psychic! | 01:23 | |
| w00t_ | :) | 01:23 |
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| CosmoHill | *psychotic | 01:24 |
| Monotoko | hmmm -grabs his ethernet cable and travels downstairs- brb :P | 01:24 |
| w00t_ | good luck! | 01:24 |
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| Tm_T | w00t_: good luck with downstairs? | 01:36 |
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| Monotoko | w00t_, im now detetcting networks...but cant connect to my WPA enabled one :( | 01:53 |
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| Monotoko | how come my wpa_psk is 64 characters?? | 02:10 |
| Monotoko | wpa_supplicant will not accept it for that reason... | 02:10 |
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| spide | i got gstreamer compiledd but plugins-base fails at configure | 02:12 |
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| Jerry_ | Hi. Can anyone help me with installing/booting Meego V1 for Netbook on eeepc1001ha | 02:18 |
| Jerry_ | ? | 02:18 |
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| TenPhil | put it on a usb, and install it. | 02:23 |
| spide | he left already :) | 02:23 |
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| Monotoko | -cries- | 02:25 |
| Monotoko | why can i not connect to wifi :( | 02:25 |
| TenPhil | They have tested it on the 1001ha | 02:27 |
| TenPhil | sorry. | 02:27 |
| TenPhil | Anybody tried to install it in VB? Been trying but not getting it to work | 02:27 |
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| spide | ok. got xvid to work. | 03:18 |
| TenPhil | good | 03:18 |
| TenPhil | grats | 03:18 |
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| spide | took couple of hours of compiling :) | 03:19 |
| koupsaa | spide how to xvid? i use smplayer | 03:19 |
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| koupsaa | gstream? | 03:19 |
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| spide | yes. i compiled gstreamer and ffmpeg plugin to it. | 03:20 |
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| spide | http://www.garypigott.net/result-ive-got-divx-working-on-moblin-2-1/ | 03:20 |
| koupsaa | argh i try that, but always xvid.h is not present | 03:21 |
| spide | also i had to install libxml2, g++ and make before compiling on top of the info on the tutorial. | 03:22 |
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| koupsaa | ok i saw your url. i m stupid i just try plugin and not gstream ! | 03:23 |
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| spide | gstreamer, plugins-base and ffmpeg at that order. i do not know if the others are needed. atleast i didnt take them | 03:24 |
| koupsaa | thanks | 03:25 |
| koupsaa | did you try to do rpm ? | 03:26 |
| spide | nope. | 03:26 |
| koupsaa | (sorry for my english) | 03:26 |
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| koupsaa | compiling compiling compiling zzzzzzzzzzz | 03:36 |
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| mamoul | salam buddies | 04:24 |
| mamoul | congratulations about meego release | 04:25 |
| mamoul | very nice great success | 04:25 |
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| markatto | the whole "does not work in virtualbox" thing is very lame | 05:05 |
| markatto | using virtualbox is much simpler and cleaner than a chroot | 05:06 |
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| Guest99085 | Is there any document about how to the simulation of Harmattan UI on PC? tks | 05:21 |
| Guest99085 | Anyone can give some hint about the simulation of Harmattan UI on PC? tks | 05:22 |
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| NeedHelp | Good evening gents | 05:26 |
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| NeedHelp | Im wondering if somebody could help me with installing unetbootin on meego | 05:27 |
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| tmzt | NeedHelp: what are you trying to do? | 05:33 |
| NeedHelp | Im trying to create Live Usb in meego | 05:34 |
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| tmzt | to do what | 05:37 |
| NeedHelp | Install fedora | 05:38 |
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| kazuo | hello. i just installed meego, was trying to reconfigure the boot loader since it got screwed up during the meego install | 06:04 |
| kazuo | now i cant get into a terminal. the terminal window just never opens | 06:04 |
| kazuo | wat do | 06:04 |
| alexanderpirdy | Hello, I am trying to boot the meego 1.0 netbook with chromium, and every time I write the image to the USB with image writer it fails to boot giving the first error listed at http://meego.com/devices/netbook/installing-meego-your-netbook, and when I try with 7zip it says there is an error in the file at meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.img\LiveOS\squashfs.img, which seems concurrent with the error - any suggestions? | 06:13 |
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| konhachi | Can I run any Linux application on Meego? | 09:52 |
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| konhachi | Also, how does it run on an Acer Aspire One Netbook? | 09:53 |
| pupnik | those run? | 09:56 |
| * pupnik points to dead unit | 09:56 | |
| konhachi | Are Acer Aspire Ones bad? I just bought it because it was the cheapest Netbook for sale.. :( | 09:57 |
| konhachi | pupnik: Do you know if any Linux app will work on Meego? | 09:57 |
| konhachi | Could I compile something like say... KTouch from the KDE Edu software suite and run it on Meego? | 09:58 |
| konhachi | Also, can you watch movies on it? | 09:58 |
| pupnik | oh boy, kde? | 09:58 |
| konhachi | Just a KDE typing program. | 09:58 |
| konhachi | Not the whole KDE software/UI | 09:59 |
| pupnik | how does it run without kde libraries | 09:59 |
| pupnik | i thought the point of meego was to not be bloatware | 09:59 |
| pupnik | if you want that, try ubuntu | 09:59 |
| konhachi | I don't know... I don't actually even use Linux. My only computer is an Aspire One with Windows XP... | 10:00 |
| CLabel | http://www.notmart.org/index.php/Software/KDE_on_MeeGo | 10:00 |
| pupnik | CLabel: do you think that is useful or harmful? | 10:00 |
| CLabel | both | 10:01 |
| CLabel | hacking | 10:01 |
| pupnik | good answer | 10:01 |
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| pupnik | sure people will compile whatever they can "for meego" as time goes by. but they should be schooled. | 10:05 |
| tmzt | pupnik: apsire apparently has a bios recovery option | 10:05 |
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| pupnik | ty tmzt - ill check it out | 10:07 |
| tmzt | I ran into it looking for options in flashing coreboot without hardware recovery | 10:07 |
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| pupnik | iirc i only see a blackscreen on poweron | 10:08 |
| tmzt | any leds? | 10:08 |
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| ioeee | hi | 10:12 |
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| pupnik | iirc none, tmzt - not sure. | 10:12 |
| ioeee | I have created dual boot on a nokia n900, I installed meego a ext3 formatted sd and not start, and do not know where to look | 10:13 |
| CLabel | btw does meego run in macbook? :) | 10:13 |
| ioeee | excuse my language, I'm using an online translator | 10:13 |
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| ioeee | to do this I followed the steps in this wiki: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900 | 10:15 |
| Termana | ioeee, tell us more about it not starting. What does it do? | 10:15 |
| CLabel | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot | 10:16 |
| CLabel | ioeee: have you check that one ^ | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | ioeee: did you flash or load the kernel? | 10:17 |
| ioeee | get a white screen that says: Booting from meego (mmcblk1p1, ext3) and within seconds the device is turned off | 10:18 |
| CLabel | "Under construction. This feature is not working in MeeGo 1.0 due to kexec problems" | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | CLabel: read the first part | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | ioeee: ok, you aren't supposed to use the second instructions | 10:19 |
| ioeee | I created the dual boot, I start by starting up the device and pressing | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | ioeee: flasher -l -k vmlinuz-file -b | 10:19 |
| ioeee | with the flasher not start me | 10:20 |
| ioeee | ext3 format is correct for the image of meego? | 10:20 |
| ioeee | I ask because it does not recognize the sd maemo | 10:21 |
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| ioeee | Sending kernel image (1802 kB)... | 10:25 |
| ioeee | 100% (1802 of 1802 kB, avg. 21210 kB/s) | 10:25 |
| ioeee | reboot | 10:25 |
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| ioeee | I started this just a console | 10:26 |
| Termana | ioeee, right, thats all the 1.0 release is for n900 | 10:27 |
| Termana | ioeee, there is no Handset UX right now | 10:27 |
| pupnik | congrats ioeee | 10:28 |
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| ioeee | meego mean that 1.0 does not have the x? | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | it has X, just no user interface | 10:29 |
| pupnik | graphical | 10:29 |
| ioeee | ok, then that is what you need to start right? | 10:30 |
| ioeee | only console | 10:30 |
| Termana | ioeee, yes at the moment | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | i actually wonder how we'll deal with meego compliance on something like meego n8x0 | 10:30 |
| ioeee | well, at least since I have dual boot to see if I am able to boot debian or other | 10:31 |
| Termana | Stskeeps, in what way? | 10:31 |
| Termana | Stskeeps, using the Handset UX is not needed for compliance if thats what you mean | 10:32 |
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| Stskeeps | Termana: well, there's a (i would say good) thing in the meego images, artwork and logos with 'meego' are actually only yours to use if you ship a device with software that's meego compliant | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | ie, you can only use the trademark if so | 10:32 |
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| Termana | Stskeeps, right, but in what do you think is stopping n8x0 from being MeeGo compliant | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | well, one is no gles2 | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | but let's see how things go | 10:33 |
| Termana | If all goes to hell, we can just distribute it on Tor | 10:34 |
| Termana | oops did I say that out loud | 10:34 |
| Termana | :P | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 10:34 |
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| tmzt | Stskeeps: is there a generic set of images/trademarks (whitebox)? | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | not sure, but let's wait for the actual trademark usage stuff coming out | 10:50 |
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| StyXman | so the only way to use qemu to run the meego image is this? http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_Qemu | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | that'll show you an x terminal at least | 12:06 |
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| StyXman | I read in the channel's logs the usgin qemu-system-arm is wrong, but I don'þ quite understand why | 12:10 |
| StyXman | http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/%23meego.2010-04-19.log.html#t2010-04-19T11:00:25 <-- starts here | 12:11 |
| tmzt | maybe with beagle image? | 12:11 |
| StyXman | tmzt: beagle? | 12:12 |
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| StyXman | I'm sorry, I just downloaded the image, I don't know much about meego stuff | 12:13 |
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| Stskeeps | you're trying to do what, just to know your goal? | 12:14 |
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| StyXman | Stskeeps: I don't understand the question. I just want to try meego in my x86 laptop, see what it looks like, etc | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | ok, the problem is that qemu doesn't yet support proper 3d acceleration | 12:16 |
| StyXman | aha, and can it be turned off? | 12:17 |
| StyXman | I mean, the use of 3d | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | right | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | UX is heavily dependant on it | 12:17 |
| StyXman | so that's a no... | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | you're better off trying to boot it, i guess | 12:18 |
| tmzt | Stskeeps: have you seen the work redhat is doing with qemu and spice? | 12:19 |
| tmzt | with GLES support it could work for system emulation | 12:19 |
| StyXman | so, back to the original problem, should I use qemu-system-arm or the 'meego on qemu' link above? | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | tmzt: there'll be handset ux qemu i think. | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | StyXman: meego on ux, but it emulates a nokia n900, which only shows an x terminal atm | 12:20 |
| tmzt | right, no sgx emulation/passthrough | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | tmzt: except that does exist actually | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | well, a different GLES library | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | go look at maemo-qemu / meego qemu work | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | gles-libs | 12:21 |
| StyXman | Stskeeps: and ux is...? | 12:21 |
| tmzt | http://www.linux-kvm.com/content/getting-started-spice-fedora-12 | 12:21 |
| tmzt | it's the qxl driver | 12:22 |
| tmzt | no GLES support yet that I know of | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | StyXman: user experience | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | StyXman: like netbook interface + apps, handset interface + apps, etc.. | 12:22 |
| StyXman | so that's useless | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | hmm? | 12:24 |
| StyXman | you said it only gives an xterm | 12:24 |
| StyXman | err, x terminal | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | yes, cos handset ux is not published yet :) | 12:24 |
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| StyXman | ahhh, the user interface, so that's the full 'desktop' | 12:25 |
| StyXman | sorry, I wasn¶t following you | 12:25 |
| StyXman | I don't care much about the phone itself :) | 12:25 |
| StyXman | besides how it manages contacts and such | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | :nod | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | i'd wait a little while :) | 12:26 |
| StyXman | so, to resume, the best way to try meego's user interface is to use http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_Qemu and not to try to boot the live image from the released iso and qemu-system-arm? | 12:26 |
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| Stskeeps | no, meego on qemu will just give you an x terminal | 12:27 |
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| Stskeeps | there's no support for virtual machines of meego netbook ux at the moment | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | best way to test it is by either the sdk simulator or by booting it. | 12:28 |
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| StyXman | Stskeeps: I don't want to run qemu *in* meego, but meego *in* qemu | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i know | 12:29 |
| StyXman | I cannot boot it because I don't have any arm machine | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | meego exists for x86 too. | 12:29 |
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| Stskeeps | if you want to see a x terminal, ie, the n900 port, you can do this with qemu. | 12:29 |
| StyXman | ... but the image is for arm | 12:29 |
| spide | go www.meego.com and check. there are two images for atom based processors. | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | go to meego.com and go from there :P qemu stuff is for emulating a n900 | 12:29 |
| StyXman | and with qemu stuff you mean that link in the wiki | 12:30 |
| spide | you don't want to try anything on the n900 as there is nothing to try. | 12:30 |
| spide | terminal gets quite boring quite fast. | 12:30 |
| StyXman | nice, now I understand | 12:31 |
| StyXman | sorry, I think is too early in the morning | 12:32 |
| StyXman | beh, I *had* downloaded the atom image :| | 12:35 |
| StyXman | not the arm as I thought | 12:35 |
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| StyXman | ok, the image crashed with ata exceptions under qemu and it froze under virtualbox. maybe I have to set some settings? | 12:55 |
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| Stskeeps | dunno, but qemu/virtualbox isn't a supported target :P | 12:56 |
| spide | ill try my luck with compiling mplayer | 12:58 |
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| LaSaRuX | hi | 13:26 |
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| veradux | hello all, sorry to be a pain but I have one quick question someone here may be able to answer it for me? the meego forum isn't letting me register | 13:33 |
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| veradux | I have a HP 2133 netbook...does anyone happen to know if that will be supported or not? it seems there's a fairly large range of HP netbooks supported but I don't know if it extends that far yet | 13:34 |
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| bogie11 | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=meego_10_perf&num=5 | 13:40 |
| bogie11 | seems that meego opengl performance is bad | 13:40 |
| bogie11 | :( | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | what are you expecting to run, crysis? | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | it's a netbook | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:41 |
| bogie11 | games would be nice | 13:41 |
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| veradux | no one has any guesses on if a HP mininote 2133 would run it? :) I'm hanging out for meego but don't want to crash this horrible little netbook | 13:43 |
| veradux | coincidentally, if anyone ever offers you one, tell them to pay you to take it | 13:44 |
| veradux | urgh | 13:44 |
| bogie11 | veradux: http://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.0/meego-v1.0-netbooks | 13:45 |
| bogie11 | supported hw: ... HP mini 210-1044 | 13:45 |
| bogie11 | *tested hw | 13:45 |
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| bogie11 | is the hw much different? | 13:46 |
| veradux | I'm not really sure how similar it would be to one of those, I don't actually have any proper docs for this one because it's a second hand one that was given to me | 13:47 |
| veradux | it's a 21XX so I'm assuming it would follow on from a 210, but I don't want to make an ass of myself with a bricked laptop and poor assumption | 13:48 |
| veradux | does meego dual boot with windows, or does it replace? | 13:49 |
| veradux | if it dual boots like jolicloud, I guess there'd be no harm in trying | 13:49 |
| spide | trying to compile mplayer but I get stuck on compile error in libavcodec. | 13:51 |
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| celestica | hi! | 14:20 |
| celestica | i couldt be able to boot meego by usb drive | 14:20 |
| celestica | i used unetbootin-windows-442.exe | 14:21 |
| celestica | its seems incompatible | 14:21 |
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| Monotoko | celestica, you need to use ImageWriter | 14:28 |
| Monotoko | it is an image, not a LiveCD iso | 14:28 |
| celestica | ah! so i cant run it as live linux? | 14:29 |
| Monotoko | you can, you just need to write the image to a USB drive using ImageWriter first | 14:29 |
| Monotoko | its just a differant way of doing it | 14:30 |
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| celestica | win32 disk imager? if that > now i'm doing | 14:32 |
| celestica | thanks. now i'll try | 14:34 |
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| ivarela | hi | 14:37 |
| ivarela | yesterday I tried meego with a friend in a Toshiba netbook. It works really well. We tried it in boot mode, and we wanted to do some tests... but we didn't know the root password... Someone knows what's the pass? | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | meego, maybe | 14:40 |
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| ivarela | yes.... it was the first pass that we tried... but it didn't work... :S | 14:40 |
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| ShadowJK | does just sudo work? | 14:46 |
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| pupnik | "Nothing we can do about this, n900 doesn't have any vsync exposed to userspace, not even to X server. | 14:53 |
| LaSaRuX | password is 'meego' for users 'meego' and 'root' | 14:53 |
| pupnik | [ Show » ] | 14:53 |
| pupnik | Tom Cooksey added a comment - 05/Mar/10 04:42 PM Nothing we can do about this, n900 doesn't have any vsync exposed to userspace, not even to X server. | 14:53 |
| pupnik | love these crappy websites with hidden text | 14:53 |
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| Monotoko | why can i not change resolution when i plug my netbook into a external moniter? | 15:22 |
| Monotoko | it automaitcally changes to 1280x900 but its too big | 15:23 |
| pupnik | !g "X11 dual-head" | 15:24 |
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| Monotoko | pupnik, it goes onto the screen, just at the wrong reolution | 15:25 |
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| Monotoko | every computer i plugin to this TV thinks its 1280x900 when its not | 15:25 |
| pupnik | xset command can change res iirc | 15:26 |
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| socket80 | hi | 15:47 |
| socket80 | how can i change keyboard layout on meego | 15:47 |
| spide | got mplayer compiled. smplayer would be next :) | 15:48 |
| socket80 | i couldnt even mount my harddisk to play mp3 | 15:49 |
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| spide | everything works just fine with eeepc 901. | 15:50 |
| spide | even mounting to my win7 network share. | 15:50 |
| gaveen | spide, a guide on a forum post about the compilation would be nice :) | 15:51 |
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| spide | gaveen: following the instructions provided by the software itself should suffice. | 15:52 |
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| spide | i might write a post after i see that smplayer works. | 15:55 |
| socket80 | and gadgets doesnt work properly | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | spide: cat /proc/cpuinfo ? | 15:57 |
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| spide | do you mean socket80? :) | 15:58 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm starting to realize why debian has debian-legal | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | to move all the legal discussions out of the way so developers can concentrate.. | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:39 |
| spide | damn. didn't have libsmbclient installed when i compiled mplayer. | 16:42 |
| spide | have to do it again in order to able to play videos from network drive :) | 16:43 |
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| spide | maybe i should reconsider my early adopter role and move back to ubuntu :P | 16:44 |
| pupnik | id like a small smb client option | 16:45 |
| pupnik | spide: did you build for x86? | 16:49 |
| pupnik | it would be nice if builder made arm builds also | 16:49 |
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| spide | x86 of course. | 17:00 |
| spide | not going to mess with my n900. not sure if i could even if i wanted to. Managed to break the usb-port when it was attached to charger :) | 17:01 |
| pupnik | this one is just wobbly | 17:02 |
| pupnik | how bout magnet-usb | 17:02 |
| GAN900 | spide, warranty? | 17:02 |
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| spide | well it's a company phone. | 17:04 |
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| RagnarokAngel | meego would be really cool if it would install | 17:16 |
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| spide | no it is complaining about smb.conf | 17:24 |
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| spide | ok. video works but i have to recompile mplayer again and enable alsa i think. | 17:28 |
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| Votan | Anyone got facebook chat / ICQ working in meego 1.0 with empathy ? | 17:56 |
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| monotoko | what bootloader does meego use? | 19:19 |
| LaSaRuX | grub? | 19:20 |
| monotoko | legacy or 2.0? | 19:20 |
| LaSaRuX | uhm | 19:20 |
| DawnFoster | MeeGo uses syslinux, not grub | 19:20 |
| monotoko | ahhh....how can i make it display the menu on boot? | 19:21 |
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| monotoko | if i hit escape at the right point i can click "Other" and go into Windows | 19:22 |
| LaSaRuX | ah | 19:23 |
| LaSaRuX | is this syslinux? | 19:23 |
| LaSaRuX | it really looks grub | 19:24 |
| LaSaRuX | usb live image... | 19:24 |
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| hylix | hello | 19:25 |
| hylix | do you know if there is a step after install bootloader ? | 19:25 |
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| hylix | because a this moment bootloader install is blocked | 19:26 |
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| hylix | aw there is no acess to a tty | 19:29 |
| smhar | so meego 1.0 is released but it is only for netbook computers? am I right? | 19:31 |
| hylix | smhar: i had understand that this is also for mobiles | 19:31 |
| LaSaRuX | there are only an official image for netbooks | 19:32 |
| LaSaRuX | i can't see more images... | 19:32 |
| smhar | LaSaRuX, but I can use this image in a vm in my computer for testing? | 19:32 |
| hylix | why bootloader install do not works >< | 19:33 |
| LaSaRuX | there are a thread in forums talking about these | 19:33 |
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| hylix | LaSaRuX: for me ? | 19:34 |
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| smhar | LaSaRuX, care to provide a link | 19:34 |
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| LaSaRuX | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=202&highlight=qemu | 19:34 |
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| LaSaRuX | :-) | 19:34 |
| freddo | i | 19:34 |
| LaSaRuX | about virtual machines... | 19:35 |
| smhar | LaSaRuX, thanks | 19:35 |
| LaSaRuX | hylix: where are you trying to install meego? | 19:35 |
| smhar | is there a road map for when a mobile version should be expected? | 19:35 |
| LaSaRuX | smhar: you're welcome | 19:35 |
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| LaSaRuX | smhar: 1.1 maybe... octuber | 19:37 |
| LaSaRuX | october | 19:37 |
| smhar | good | 19:37 |
| hylix | LaSaRuX: eeepc901 from usbstick | 19:38 |
| smhar | so we can expect mobiles to show in the market by January. I just hope that Nokia will not get rid of the keyboard and go iphone crazy | 19:38 |
| LaSaRuX | hylix: ah... http://wiki.meego.com/Devices#Netbooks | 19:39 |
| LaSaRuX | hylix: your model is listed | 19:39 |
| hylix | yes | 19:40 |
| hylix | i know | 19:40 |
| hylix | but it dont works for bootloader install | 19:40 |
| smhar | LaSaRuX, may be not :-( it seems that the first wave of Nokia mobiles will be some hi bird , not a pure meego: http://meego.com/2010/02/maemo-6-harmattn-continues-development-will-be-meego-compatible/ | 19:40 |
| hylix | LaSaRuX: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-April/001882.html i found that | 19:41 |
| LaSaRuX | hylix: what is the error message? | 19:41 |
| hylix | LaSaRuX: no error message | 19:41 |
| hylix | its just blocked | 19:41 |
| hylix | i know how to install grub but i have no tty :( | 19:41 |
| LaSaRuX | smhar: nokia it's a mistery itself ... | 19:41 |
| LaSaRuX | hylix: maybe you can boot without X if you add "single" editing grub first line and booting | 19:42 |
| LaSaRuX | or init=/bin/bash | 19:42 |
| LaSaRuX | but I don't know how to install meego from a shell | 19:43 |
| hylix | with reboot its ok but during install | 19:43 |
| freddo | hylix , i have a same problem on my netbook, no bootloader install ... : missing operating system | 19:43 |
| hylix | it should have a free tty | 19:43 |
| LaSaRuX | hylix: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=272 | 19:43 |
| hylix | il try to fix it by making a chroot | 19:43 |
| LaSaRuX | hylix: in this thread there isn't a solution | 19:44 |
| LaSaRuX | sorry | 19:44 |
| LaSaRuX | file a bug | 19:44 |
| LaSaRuX | ? | 19:44 |
| hylix | strange | 19:44 |
| hylix | its ok if thisis just a grub problem | 19:45 |
| LaSaRuX | I have got a eeepc 1001HA | 19:45 |
| LaSaRuX | it's working really smooth and fast on it | 19:46 |
| hylix | it seems tht install is ok | 19:46 |
| LaSaRuX | switch to console 3 (CTRL-ALT F3) | 19:48 |
| LaSaRuX | do you see something? | 19:48 |
| LaSaRuX | i took this from the thread | 19:48 |
| hylix | i reboot | 19:49 |
| hylix | ed* | 19:49 |
| hylix | argh croot not works | 19:50 |
| hylix | chroot* | 19:50 |
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| LaSaRuX | chroot ? | 19:52 |
| hylix | you dont know chroot ? | 19:53 |
| LaSaRuX | yeah | 19:53 |
| LaSaRuX | but why do you are using chroot? | 19:53 |
| hylix | to install the grub | 19:53 |
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| LaSaRuX | but you have already installed linux in that netbook? | 19:54 |
| hylix | meego is installed but grub isnt installed | 19:54 |
| odin_ | grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/root ? | 19:54 |
| hylix | odin_: grub is not installed on the meego img >< | 19:55 |
| hylix | but on the root | 19:55 |
| hylix | mmh ill try | 19:55 |
| hylix | Oo | 19:56 |
| hylix | grub binary is not installed | 19:57 |
| LaSaRuX | syslinux then... | 19:58 |
| odin_ | as long as you know what you are doing! you dont want to trash your PC and chroot will still let you do that via /dev/foo | 19:58 |
| LaSaRuX | how said DawnFoste | 19:59 |
| hylix | odin_: i cant chroot | 19:59 |
| hylix | this is full of bug >< | 19:59 |
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| hylix | meego-help doesnt works too, yum too >< | 20:00 |
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| freddo | what is a password root by defaut ? i try to mount /dev/sda2 | 20:02 |
| hylix | meego | 20:02 |
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| ZogG | hylix srsly? | 20:03 |
| hylix | ZogG: yes | 20:03 |
| hylix | where can i find img checksum | 20:04 |
| hylix | maybe its cause of the integrity | 20:04 |
| freddo | thx hylix | 20:05 |
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| smhar | is there a roadmap for meego 1.1 somewhere? | 20:20 |
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| LaSaRuX | smhar: someone from nokia or intel in this room to answer to smhar? | 20:27 |
| LaSaRuX | :-) | 20:27 |
| LaSaRuX | I read 1.1 for october in a blog | 20:27 |
| hylix | >< i shot my eeepc :( | 20:28 |
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| spaerre | Hi, has anyone tried installing MeeGo on Nokia Booklet? | 20:29 |
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| spaerre | As it's hardware isn't in the list of supported devices | 20:30 |
| lcuk | its graphics card is unsuitable at this time | 20:31 |
| spaerre | Ok, thanks. Now I know I won't waste my time trying it until it's officially supported | 20:31 |
| spaerre | I'm eager to try it | 20:31 |
| LaSaRuX | GMA500 is out of meego 1.0 scope | 20:33 |
| LaSaRuX | :-( | 20:33 |
| LaSaRuX | and i saw in code that 1024x600 in panels is hardcoded | 20:33 |
| LaSaRuX | GMA500 devices has got 1366x768 | 20:34 |
| LaSaRuX | no? | 20:34 |
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| hylix | LaSaRuX: it shold be 1337x768 | 20:34 |
| hylix | should* | 20:34 |
| LaSaRuX | in my test in the laptop i have got a zone with 600 pixels height | 20:35 |
| LaSaRuX | not my full screen height | 20:35 |
| lcuk | LaSaRuX, i saw something on ML about meego on lower spec grpahics cards | 20:36 |
| lcuk | someone has it on 800*480 | 20:36 |
| LaSaRuX | ah | 20:36 |
| LaSaRuX | there are some calcs in the code | 20:36 |
| lcuk | [MeeGo-dev] MeeGo *does* work with old CPUs | 20:36 |
| LaSaRuX | but i don't know really the meaning yet | 20:36 |
| lcuk | "P.S. Now that the toolbar is customisable even a crumby 800x480 display | 20:36 |
| lcuk | works well :-)" | 20:36 |
| LaSaRuX | okis | 20:36 |
| smhar | will meego be installable on N800 and N810 Nokia tablets? | 20:36 |
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| LaSaRuX | smhar: I presume *no* officially | 20:37 |
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| LaSaRuX | maybe in a community project? | 20:37 |
| smhar | if it will, it would add a new life to the old tablets for sure :-) | 20:38 |
| LaSaRuX | sure | 20:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | one of Stskeeps' projects is porting MeeGo to the N800, drawing upon previous work from Mer. | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | n810, but both should work in time | 20:40 |
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| TSCHAKeee | yeah | 20:42 |
| LaSaRuX | ah... interesting | 20:43 |
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| LaSaRuX | Stskeeps: what is the current idea for UX in N? | 20:45 |
| LaSaRuX | from maemo 5/6 ? | 20:45 |
| odin_ | ps uax | 20:50 |
| odin_ | opps... trying to work out why ForcaWeather won't finish installing on N900 (Maemo5 PR1.2) | 20:51 |
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| lcuk | bash head on wall | 20:56 |
| pupnik_ | or csh it | 20:57 |
| odin_ | topic moved #maemo | 20:58 |
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| spide | ok. smplayer + mplayer working :) | 21:15 |
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| hylix | nothing work >< | 21:16 |
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| Stskeeps | on n8x0? not sure, let's see what works. atm, xfce4 | 21:17 |
| hylix | Illegal instruction (core dumped) > what it mean ?? | 21:18 |
| LaSaRuX | Stskeeps: and something using a mutter plugin? | 21:18 |
| LaSaRuX | like netbook UX one | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | LaSaRuX: are we speaking about N8x0 or something else? | 21:18 |
| LaSaRuX | N8x0 | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | netbook UX doesn't even run on ARM yet, let alone n8x0 :P | 21:18 |
| LaSaRuX | but it's very easy to run for sure | 21:19 |
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| LaSaRuX | it's only X with 3d | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | well, no, it's opengl :P | 21:19 |
| LaSaRuX | and the mutter window manager | 21:19 |
| LaSaRuX | uhm | 21:19 |
| LaSaRuX | hehe | 21:19 |
| LaSaRuX | yes | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | a tiny problem ;) | 21:19 |
| hylix_ | anyone has an idea ? | 21:20 |
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| LaSaRuX | Stskeeps: what 3d hardware has N8x0 ? | 21:21 |
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| hylix_ | meego-help doesnt work too !!! | 21:22 |
| johnx | LaSaRuX, PowerVR MBX | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | LaSaRuX: MBX and it doesn't really work properly yet | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: hi! | 21:23 |
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| johnx | hallo Stskeeps | 21:23 |
| hylix_ | noone can help me ? | 21:23 |
| johnx | congrats on the meego release(s) | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 21:24 |
| LaSaRuX | hylix: comment something into the forums | 21:24 |
| LaSaRuX | add info to the eeepc thread | 21:25 |
| hylix_ | its writed that it has been tested on this pc | 21:25 |
| hylix_ | and just the live doesnt works | 21:25 |
| hylix_ | the half of apps crash | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | well, if it's a non SSSE3 device, of course it will crash | 21:27 |
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| hylix_ | Stskeeps: first i dont know whats is an SSSE3 and second if it is not able to runs meego why my pc is in the list off supported pc ? | 21:31 |
| hylix_ | of* | 21:31 |
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| Stskeeps | hylix_: first question is if it's a Atom based CPU :P | 21:33 |
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| hylix_ | Stskeeps: eeepc 901 has an atom | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | fair enough | 21:34 |
| tmzt | atom doesn't have sse3? | 21:37 |
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| Stskeeps | it does, and ssse3 | 21:39 |
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| Vortiago | Hm, should the simulator be able to run on a machine without SSSE3? | 21:40 |
| spide | i wrote a post to forum.meego.com about getting smplayer to work. | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | Vortiago: that's another good question.. | 21:40 |
| Vortiago | 'cuz it's running on my laptop right now, which I was pretty sure didn't have SSSE3 | 21:41 |
| tmzt | what's ssse3 | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | i think there's more problems than benefit to the ssse3/atom/core 2 duo choice.. and not many that can't be fixed with hwcap | 21:41 |
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| GAN900 | Stskeeps, yes, but Intel wants to sell chips. :P | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: i highly doubt it's a business decision. | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | there is technical sense to it, but circumstances are changing a bit. | 21:48 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, you're clearly not cynical enough then. | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | i am, except i already had these discussions | 21:52 |
| tmzt | the startup choice or being based on fedora | 21:53 |
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| odin_ | Stskeeps, hwcap ? CPUID allows any application at runtime from user-space to detect capability | 22:03 |
| Stskeeps | odin_: yes, and using optimized libs based on that :P | 22:04 |
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| odin_ | what regular functions are optimizing on it ? sure the 64bit ABI does optimizations the 32bit doesn't | 22:04 |
| Stskeeps | anything floating point and vector like i would guess | 22:05 |
| odin_ | but that is specialized, no what I'd call "regular" | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | compiler can generate it automatically | 22:06 |
| odin_ | including codecs, graphics manipulation, etc... it should not be a packaging issue | 22:07 |
| odin_ | but you break the ABI, the ABI defines what the compiler must do | 22:07 |
| odin_ | 3d graphics libraries and codec libraries can use SIMD instructions, but they never cross an ABI boundary | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, except this is generated by a compiler, not assembly | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:09 |
| odin_ | still that is ok too, providing it doesn't cross an ABI boundary | 22:09 |
| odin_ | for example I can have an external interface, that is ABI compatible to my library, so it loads a DSO, but inside the linkage between the objects is my own policy, everytime I call-out to another library (I cross an ABI boundary) so my specialized library ensure it follows the ABI rules | 22:11 |
| Stskeeps | go read up on hwcap | 22:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:11 |
| odin_ | if 32bit intel linux is doing some of the optimizations that 64bit intel linux (was able to do, because it started over with new features, then 32bit could be made more efficient on a modern 32bit only cpu) | 22:12 |
| ShadowJK | 64bit brings the new floating point abi and more registers :) | 22:13 |
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| odin_ | and guarantees about particular CPU insn's being available, and a register calling convention and return argument, yadda yadda | 22:14 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, they doubled the number to 2? | 22:14 |
| lcuk | j/k of course, but x86 has always been register challenged | 22:14 |
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| ShadowJK | 6510 had 3 registers. but they werent general purpose :/ | 22:15 |
| ShadowJK | iirc | 22:15 |
| odin_ | hwcap is unnecessary for MMX/SSE, since there isn't much utility gotten by "general purpose" use for them | 22:15 |
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| odin_ | however some of the other CPU supported things there is plenty of utility in | 22:16 |
| odin_ | yeah my first asm as 6502 on C64, LDA #ff, STX, LDA #00, lols | 22:17 |
| * thiago_home wants IA-64's register set | 22:19 | |
| CosmoHill | Intel Titianum? | 22:19 |
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| koupsaa | spide, I comment on your post | 22:24 |
| TSCHAKeee | odin_: STX requires an address. ;) | 22:26 |
| spide | ok. biggest issue was the config.mak editing. other things were fixed with installing stuff with yum. | 22:27 |
| odin_ | TSCHAK, oh darn! how much I have forgotten, maybe I meant TAX | 22:27 |
| TSCHAKeee | ;) | 22:29 |
| TSCHAKeee | the 6502 was my first CPU as well | 22:30 |
| pupnik | apple II here | 22:30 |
| lcuk | 68k was principle place i learnt asm | 22:30 |
| TSCHAKeee | my first machine of my own, was an Atari 800..but I had a smattering of other machines as well (over 400 or so) | 22:30 |
| pupnik | then i got an 8088 and decided i didnt like cpus anymore | 22:30 |
| TSCHAKeee | I liked the 68000 instruction set | 22:31 |
| TSCHAKeee | very balanced | 22:31 |
| pupnik | yes we learned thatmat ujni | 22:31 |
| pupnik | uni | 22:31 |
| lcuk | having a decent registry set on chip and an instruction set capable of using it was a godsend. the ARM on n89X0s is similar | 22:31 |
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| TSCHAKeee | yup. I consider the 6502 a grandfather of the modern ARM | 22:31 |
| TSCHAKeee | same philosophies | 22:32 |
| TSCHAKeee | more with less. | 22:32 |
| pupnik | then you can get linapple working :) | 22:32 |
| TSCHAKeee | got my own plate, bro | 22:32 |
| TSCHAKeee | and it's full | 22:32 |
| pupnik | lol :) | 22:32 |
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| odin_ | well indeed, the BBC Micro => Acorn Archimedes => ARM CPU | 22:32 |
| lcuk | lol TSCHAKeee with 3million LoC to chump through i think you wont go hungry in your lifetime :p | 22:33 |
| pupnik | it runs, but the sounds it makes are fearsome to behold | 22:33 |
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| TSCHAKeee | odin_: I have a BBC Micro in my collection as well | 22:33 |
| lcuk | at the last barcamp i went to someone had bbc micro used for pipe organ stuff | 22:33 |
| lcuk | :) | 22:33 |
| odin_ | yes I do too, but my collection is maybe just 4 machines of circa 1985..1992 | 22:33 |
| pupnik | i should release it with the modem+caterwaul sound playback just for fun | 22:33 |
| TSCHAKeee | basically, you name it, i've probably had it. | 22:34 |
| odin_ | Commodore Pet ? I best you are using it now! | 22:34 |
| TSCHAKeee | quite a few PETs | 22:35 |
| TSCHAKeee | a 2001, a 4032, an 8032, a 9000 SuperPET | 22:35 |
| lcuk | TSCHAKeee, bacterial and fungal :p | 22:35 |
| pupnik | wow TSCHAKeee :) | 22:35 |
| TSCHAKeee | and a smattering of IEEE-488 peripherals | 22:35 |
| * Stskeeps misses his c64 which had a fuse blowout and we were too poor to fix it. | 22:35 | |
| * odin_ wonders if anyone wrote a cassette tape commodore 64 driver for a sound card ? | 22:35 | |
| lcuk | someone wrote a real sampler for music tapes on the zx spectrum | 22:36 |
| lcuk | it was like voodoo | 22:36 |
| odin_ | I want to throw away my C64 games, on cassette, they are around here somewhere...... | 22:36 |
| odin_ | ....no what I really want to do is play them again, my guilty secret :P | 22:37 |
| TSCHAKeee | odin_: (1) any games you have on tape, are probably out there on the net, (2) EMULATION | 22:37 |
| odin_ | Im sure even if they have degraded badly a modern sound card can work out the bits and bytes | 22:37 |
| TSCHAKeee | :P | 22:37 |
| pupnik | um do you remember* what a pita cassettes were? | 22:38 |
| odin_ | no I want the enjoyment of waiting for it to load, emulation doesn't give me that | 22:38 |
| pupnik | hahah | 22:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | you sadistic bastard | 22:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | masochistic rather | 22:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | :P | 22:38 |
| CosmoHill | TSCHAKeee: you should meet joe | 22:38 |
| CosmoHill | he's a sadistic bastard | 22:38 |
| Stskeeps | i recall the superstition that touching the computer when it was LOAD'ing would harm the load and waste our time | 22:38 |
| odin_ | hehe... I do get flashing colours on screen to keep my busy while waiting | 22:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | LOAD"*",8,1 | 22:39 |
| TSCHAKeee | SEARCHING FOR * | 22:39 |
| TSCHAKeee | LOADING * | 22:39 |
| TSCHAKeee | *go-out-and-walk-across-town-and-back* | 22:39 |
| lcuk | in 8bit days you REALLY had to want to play a game, with loading times in the minutes and no multitasking it was something worth doing | 22:39 |
| odin_ | turbo loading and having to rewind the tape (if it went wrong) | 22:39 |
| TSCHAKeee | damn still loading | 22:39 |
| TSCHAKeee | well, the 1541 disk drive was not supposed to be that slow | 22:39 |
| * TSCHAKeee knows all the C= engineers who designed the hardware | 22:39 | |
| lcuk | i remember when spectrum gained a working pacman game during loading of something | 22:39 |
| pupnik | wasnt it the slow interface? | 22:40 |
| TSCHAKeee | well, to explain... | 22:40 |
| * odin_ sighs | 22:40 | |
| TSCHAKeee | it goes back to the VIC20 | 22:40 |
| TSCHAKeee | the VIC20 had a 6522 VIA in it, replacing the PIAs used in the PET | 22:40 |
| TSCHAKeee | the 6522 had two additional lines, which were high speed shift registers | 22:40 |
| odin_ | my, look how complicated computing has become now... I was looking forward to a carrier waiting for cassettes to load... while brewing a cuppa, but now I am rushed off my feet | 22:40 |
| odin_ | c/carrier/carreer/ | 22:41 |
| TSCHAKeee | which had been multiplexed with the existing slow speed shift registers (the IEC had two modes, fast and slow) | 22:41 |
| TSCHAKeee | the code to use the high speed shift registers had been shoved into ROM and had been shipped off to the fab | 22:41 |
| TSCHAKeee | and the computer was nearing completion | 22:41 |
| TSCHAKeee | there turned out to be a major problem with the VIC chip, and how it shared cycles with the bus and the 6502 | 22:42 |
| TSCHAKeee | and the 6522's VIA shift registers had a floating wave bug in them | 22:42 |
| johnx | odin_, the cuppa while loading has been replaced with the cuppa while compiling ;) | 22:42 |
| TSCHAKeee | which literally caused a voltage spike on the bus while being used | 22:42 |
| pupnik | TSCHAKeee: ... wow | 22:42 |
| TSCHAKeee | not finished | 22:42 |
| TSCHAKeee | ;) | 22:42 |
| TSCHAKeee | so, when this bug was discovered, roughly...three days before CES | 22:43 |
| TSCHAKeee | Bob Russell scrambled back, and wrote a software based shift register in the KERNAL rom | 22:43 |
| odin_ | so thats why nokia take their time making a release, so no one ever complain again! otherwise your VIA shift-registers might be shifting the wrong way upside-down :P | 22:43 |
| TSCHAKeee | the story doesn't end there, funny enough | 22:43 |
| TSCHAKeee | remember, that Commodore owned MOS | 22:43 |
| TSCHAKeee | MOS went back, and made an improved VIA, the 6526 | 22:44 |
| TSCHAKeee | this was used, in the Commodore 64 | 22:44 |
| TSCHAKeee | they made faster shift registers, and wired them in, without the floating wave bug present in the 6522 | 22:44 |
| TSCHAKeee | (and sorry, the disk drive i was talking about before, was the 1540) | 22:44 |
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| TSCHAKeee | they made a paired drive, the 1541, with a matching 6526 | 22:45 |
| odin_ | ah yes the 1540, the compact disk drive! | 22:45 |
| odin_ | it was about the length of a bus | 22:45 |
| TSCHAKeee | so , what happened, was.. | 22:45 |
| TSCHAKeee | they fixed the shift registers, and shipped it off to QA | 22:45 |
| TSCHAKeee | now.... | 22:45 |
| TSCHAKeee | QA in commodore were a rather idiotic bunch | 22:45 |
| TSCHAKeee | who didn't really talk to the engineering department | 22:45 |
| odin_ | so do you recon if they had got it all right when they send out their RTM they would have ruled the world ? | 22:46 |
| TSCHAKeee | brb | 22:46 |
| TSCHAKeee | door | 22:46 |
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| pupnik | that drive with matching 6526... almost as "cool" as IBM's IDE | 22:48 |
| TSCHAKeee | back | 22:49 |
| TSCHAKeee | now..the QA department saw | 22:50 |
| TSCHAKeee | these two traces for the high speed shift line | 22:50 |
| TSCHAKeee | going to the exact same line as the slow speed shift lines | 22:50 |
| TSCHAKeee | they were multiplexed | 22:50 |
| TSCHAKeee | well | 22:50 |
| TSCHAKeee | the QA dept decided that those two extra lines were superfluous | 22:50 |
| TSCHAKeee | so they REMOVED THEM | 22:50 |
| pupnik | Aaahahahahaha | 22:50 |
| TSCHAKeee | Bob Russell was the engineer on the C64, once again | 22:51 |
| TSCHAKeee | and seeing that this happened, well | 22:51 |
| TSCHAKeee | he did the same thing that they did on the 1540 | 22:51 |
| TSCHAKeee | wrote a software based shift register | 22:51 |
| TSCHAKeee | taking into account this time that the VIC-II had additional bus time | 22:51 |
| TSCHAKeee | to take care of MOBs on screen (sprites) | 22:51 |
| TSCHAKeee | this bug was never fixed | 22:51 |
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| pupnik | wow | 22:52 |
| TSCHAKeee | and had to wait for the Commodore 1571 | 22:52 |
| TSCHAKeee | and the C128 to get a high speed serial IEEE-488 bus. | 22:52 |
| TSCHAKeee | or, if you were lucky to have an IEEE-488 bus, you could use the higher speed (but older) PET devices | 22:52 |
| TSCHAKeee | pupnik: i have...a ton of..stories.. | 22:52 |
| TSCHAKeee | heheh | 22:52 |
| lainwir3d | that's a nice story | 22:52 |
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| pupnik | my cousin had a mod for the drive | 22:53 |
| TSCHAKeee | commodore had a long history of shooting themselves in the foot | 22:53 |
| odin_ | lol so the demise (or lack of circa 1986 market position) was due to release engineering blunders, wow indeed | 22:53 |
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| pupnik | odin_: oh marketing was a big factor then also | 23:00 |
| pupnik | and the c64 keyboard physically *resisted* typing :) | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | i learnt to type.. and my handwriting is mimicing the on-screen font on the c64 | 23:01 |
| odin_ | ditto on typing (maybe thats why I only like klunky cherry like PC keyboards now) | 23:01 |
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| pupnik | apple II keys at least went down without a fight | 23:03 |
| pupnik | cant remember the atari 800 | 23:03 |
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| pupnik | odin_: same here - need a real keyboard http://www.flickr.com/photos/arnim-s/4573664099/ | 23:05 |
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| hylix_ | Stskeeps: sorry i had to go, what did you said after i gone ? | 23:10 |
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| CosmoHill | hylix_: look at the logs | 23:11 |
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| hylix_ | mmh | 23:11 |
| hylix_ | ok | 23:12 |
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| hylix_ | Oh i have understand | 23:13 |
| hylix_ | in fact my eeepc is not 901 but 900 | 23:13 |
| hylix_ | the cpu is an intel celeron | 23:13 |
| hylix_ | and i just have sse2 | 23:13 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 23:14 |
| Stskeeps | that's why then | 23:14 |
| hylix_ | Stskeeps: anyway is there any way to have the same interface ? | 23:15 |
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| odin_ | what software is it you have needing SSE3 ? | 23:16 |
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| hylix_ | odin_: it seems that gtk apps dont use it but the games ,yum and meego help use it | 23:17 |
| hylix_ | chromium too | 23:17 |
| odin_ | theoretically its possible to do CPU instruction emulation, but you won't get the best performance compared to unrolling the operation in a library | 23:17 |
| CosmoHill | I saw an N900 today, damn that thing's big | 23:17 |
| odin_ | are you doing something and getting an error, like a SIGBUS ? | 23:18 |
| hylix_ | odin_: illegal instruction | 23:18 |
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| hylix_ | CosmoHill: you know what wm runs meego ? | 23:18 |
| CosmoHill | nope | 23:19 |
| odin_ | so you run "yum" and you get a SIGILL ? and does "file /usr/bin/yum" work ? | 23:19 |
| odin_ | yum in F12 appears to be a python job | 23:19 |
| hylix_ | odin_: what is sigill ? and how to do ? | 23:19 |
| odin_ | sorry SIGILL is the signal number the kernel threw at the application, when it crashed it out, as a way of indicating the reason it crashed | 23:21 |
| hylix_ | odin_: how do i know that ? | 23:21 |
| odin_ | your shell printed "Illegal Instruction" that is it giving you a pretty description for the SIGILL, anyhow | 23:22 |
| odin_ | so what is it you have loaded ? MeeGo for Intel ? what does "uname -a" say ? | 23:22 |
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| odin_ | and what does "file /usr/bin/python" say | 23:23 |
| hylix_ | uname -a say | 23:24 |
| hylix_ | odin_: you want all the line ? :( | 23:24 |
| odin_ | normally they would make the installer package be i386 and detect the CPU on installation and then tune kernel/packages based on what it sees | 23:24 |
| hylix_ | its i686 | 23:25 |
| odin_ | sure its only one line | 23:25 |
| hylix_ | odin_: for file command : ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked | 23:26 |
| hylix_ | stripped | 23:26 |
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| hylix_ | then if it dont works ill install arch, my first choice :) | 23:28 |
| odin_ | what mechanism did you use to install the OS, download an image and load ? burn a cd and boot ? | 23:31 |
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| odin_ | it does clearly say in the "Installing MeeGo on your Netbook" that you'd need Eeepc 901, to use their download images and looks like an "image transfer" install, as opposted to a netinstall and package download | 23:34 |
| odin_ | maybe the intel community are working on an image for slightly older hardware, or even just a netinstall.iso that auto-detects | 23:35 |
| hylix_ | odin_: in fact i have eeepc900 | 23:36 |
| hylix_ | it doesnt have atom cpu but celeron cpu | 23:37 |
| odin_ | there is no reason why MeeGo can not be made to work on it, I am just trying to work out if the issue is that the "image transfer" is optimized for space | 23:37 |
| odin_ | and pre-built based on what Intel are targetting (trying to sell in the future) | 23:38 |
| hylix_ | odin_: i dont understand | 23:39 |
| odin_ | well it maybe upto the Intel community to create a spin for older hardware | 23:40 |
| odin_ | as opposed to expecting Intel to do it | 23:40 |
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| hylix_ | odin_: ah ok | 23:42 |
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| hamid11771 | ERROR booting from USB. /dev/loop2: cant read superblock ( i have dual boot Moblin and win xp) | 23:45 |
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| hamid11771 | anyone can help? | 23:46 |
| odin_ | hamid11771, check you wrote the data to USB correctly ? | 23:46 |
| hamid11771 | odin_: i wrote using win32diskimage | 23:46 |
| hamid11771 | usb is a 16gb one | 23:47 |
| hamid11771 | and the format is fat32 | 23:47 |
| odin_ | hamid11771, what is it you are booting ? you have dual boot of Moblin & WinXp on the internal storage (MMC/SSD/HDD) ? and you want to bootup MeeGo live from USB to try it ? | 23:48 |
| hamid11771 | odin_: exactly | 23:49 |
| odin_ | hamid11771, the entire USB is devoted to trying out MeeGo ? unfortunately I have not tried the process yet | 23:50 |
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| hamid11771 | odin_: yes. its devoted | 23:51 |
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| odin_ | hamid11771, ok from looking at the instructions myself (having never tried them!) it not FAT formatted, the USB stick has a raw img copied onto it | 23:53 |
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| hamid11771 | odin_: thanks bud for your help | 23:53 |
| odin_ | hamid11771, but providing you used Win32DiskImagher.exe (after the format, which sanity tells me you must have) it should not matter it was formatted | 23:53 |
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| spide | using win32diskimager rendered the usb-stick unusable to windows myself. so it only worked as bootable media. windows could not read it. must use some other filesystem. | 23:56 |
| hylix_ | bye bye all | 23:56 |
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