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| newman | does wine work on meego | 00:00 |
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| thiago_home | if you install it, it probably does | 00:01 |
| thiago_home | but not on ARM | 00:01 |
| newman | it worths trying | 00:02 |
| Zeikko | TSCHAKeee: they're so much faster than touchpad | 00:02 |
| Zeikko | and alt tabbing is something you can't live without | 00:03 |
| newman | can someone explain to me how maemo joined moblin, all i see from meego is moblin itself | 00:04 |
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| TSCHAKeee | um, i can alt-tab | 00:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | just fine | 00:05 |
| newman | or maybe moblin is the interface, maemo the app packaging | 00:05 |
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| Zeikko | You can? :o | 00:06 |
| * TSCHAKeee takes a deeep breath. | 00:06 | |
| Zeikko | Without any modifications, just out of the box? | 00:06 |
| TSCHAKeee | newman: there are many different user experiences for MeeGo. | 00:06 |
| TSCHAKeee | newman: the Netbook UX is written by Intel | 00:07 |
| TSCHAKeee | newman: the Handset UX is written by Nokia | 00:07 |
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| newman | aha | 00:07 |
| TSCHAKeee | newman: they both now run on the same basic OS core, Meego Core | 00:07 |
| TSCHAKeee | Zeikko: correct. | 00:07 |
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| pupnik | well summarized | 00:07 |
| Zeikko | TSCHAKeee: then you might also know how to shutdown this? | 00:07 |
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| Zeikko | bummer, anybody else? | 00:08 |
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| Zeikko | Anybody know how to shutdown meego? :P | 00:09 |
| jausmus | hit the power button ;) | 00:09 |
| jausmus | a dialog should come up asking if you want to shut down | 00:09 |
| Zeikko | hah, true | 00:09 |
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| newman | how about the media codecs stuff which are propietary.... | 00:09 |
| * thiago_home always takes the battery out | 00:10 | |
| Zeikko | jausmus: the dialog appears but the OS doesn't shutdown | 00:10 |
| thiago_home | hint: add some tape to the back so it's easier to pull it out :-) | 00:10 |
| Grubbolo | Zeikko: i was wondering how to turn it off some minutes ago | 00:10 |
| Grubbolo | btw my eeepc 901 powers off nicey | 00:11 |
| Zeikko | i have eeepc 901 also | 00:11 |
| Grubbolo | the clutter UI is really nice | 00:11 |
| thiago_home | newman: no proprietary in the open source image | 00:11 |
| thiago_home | newman: you can add it on your own, if you want to, from whichever sources you find | 00:12 |
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| Grubbolo | will the future versions keep this nice UI? | 00:12 |
| newman | well, end user will face the everlasting problem of linux then.. installing codecs | 00:12 |
| newman | unless the resellers add it | 00:12 |
| Zeikko | Party! After accepting the shutdown dialog 15 times it started doing something | 00:13 |
| Grubbolo | newman: its more wide than just linux... apple and mac users know how codecs can be a pain. | 00:13 |
| Zeikko | Now the yellow waving meego guy has been on the screen for quite long :P | 00:13 |
| newman | someone should write a guide for howto install these codecs like ubuntu doing | 00:14 |
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| Zeikko | Yellow meego is still standing :d | 00:14 |
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| Grubbolo | last time I use RPMs mandriva was still called mandrake and just started to delay updates to non paying users | 00:15 |
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| Grubbolo | Zeikko: does "shutdown -h now" work? | 00:17 |
| Grubbolo | thiago_home: are you assigned to work on meego currently? | 00:17 |
| Zeikko | Grubbolo: it finally went to the "exit screen" but got stuck into there and i had to press the power button for 10 secs | 00:18 |
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| Grubbolo | Zeikko: did you install it on the ssd? | 00:20 |
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| Grubbolo | Zeikko: I'm still tunning off a sd-card | 00:21 |
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| Zeikko | Yeah i just installed it | 00:22 |
| Grubbolo | on the 4gb drive? | 00:22 |
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| thiago_home | Grubbolo: kinda | 00:24 |
| thiago_home | Grubbolo: part of my work is to look into MeeGo and be the interface | 00:25 |
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| mogra | Of the two downloads, what browser does the one not marked "Google Chrome" use? | 00:27 |
| Grubbolo | thiago_home: are you working at the interface between intel and nokia then? Is the transition clutter->qt well accepted among the devs? | 00:28 |
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| Grubbolo | I mean... is there any doubt about transitioning the GUI to qt? | 00:29 |
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| thiago_home | grishnav: one of the interfaces | 00:35 |
| thiago_home | the interface to Qt | 00:35 |
| thiago_home | Nokia isn't using Clutter, so I have no idea what devs think | 00:35 |
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| shadeslayer | hi does someone have a wget'able link of the latest release ( chromium browser ) or a torrent? | 00:40 |
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| h00k | might this be a place to ask support questions, or should I head to the forums? | 00:54 |
| thiago_home | ask your question and we'll tell you | 00:55 |
| h00k | Sure. I have an EEE and the bluetooth panel icon doesn't give me an option to enable/disable it | 00:55 |
| h00k | EEE 1000, anyway. | 00:56 |
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| h00k | I see where the on/off slider dealio should be, it's just not active | 00:56 |
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| mogra | repost: Of the two downloads, what browser does the one not marked "Google Chrome" use? | 01:01 |
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| thiago_home | h00k: try the forum. No one seemed to know the answer here. | 01:01 |
| jausmus | mogra: chromium | 01:01 |
| h00k | thiago_home: yerp, already looking | 01:02 |
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| infobot | I herald you, my supreme master! Lead us into the light of your wisdom and power | 01:04 |
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| RichiH | !botsnack | 01:04 |
| RichiH | infobot: botsnack | 01:04 |
| infobot | :), RichiH | 01:04 |
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| RichiH | anyway, can anyone give me the md5sum, sha1sum or anything of the meego 1.0 netbook version with chrome, please? | 01:06 |
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| pupnik | nice no problem install on x61s | 01:08 |
| RichiH | pupnik: from how i understand things, i can not only install from the usb image, but run the image as a live image, as well? | 01:09 |
| pupnik | i havent heard of friends doing that | 01:10 |
| pupnik | some run in a VM | 01:10 |
| mogra | anyone tested 1.0 on AA1 D-150 yet? I see 250 listed, and their hardware is similar. | 01:10 |
| pupnik | i like thinkpad x series more every day | 01:11 |
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| RichiH | pupnik, mogra: could either of you md5sum the netbook iso with crome if you have it, please? my iso is still named .part and i took about two hours to download it so i am not keen on redoing that if i can help it | 01:13 |
| mogra | I will have mine in about 15 minutes | 01:13 |
| RichiH | kk | 01:14 |
| jausmus | RichiH - you can use wget to continue a partial download, using the -c option | 01:15 |
| RichiH | jausmus: i am pretty sure it finished. also, the way the download is presented after acepting the eula does not exactly easy to get at the link (unless you just type it) | 01:17 |
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| mogra | I am hoping task management has been cleaned up. | 01:22 |
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| mogra | Richih: it's summing right now | 01:31 |
| mogra | 6a33f61264ecfd3b4d1b430e5b7b8f3a meego-netbook-ia32-1.0.0.20100524.1.img | 01:31 |
| mogra | and yes, I got the Chrome Browser version | 01:32 |
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| RichiH | bleh | 01:33 |
| RichiH | 5a7d70a80da1550877598534b6d82162 meego-netbook-ia32-1.0.0.20100524.1.img.part | 01:33 |
| mogra | :( | 01:34 |
| RichiH | does anyone have a link i can continue on? | 01:34 |
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| mogra | I checked the link, they are bound to a sessionid, it seems, and an expiration time. | 01:35 |
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| RichiH | great, the link including session id is about a bazillion chars long and i can't copy it | 01:40 |
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| RichiH | as an aside, if meego used chromium instead of chrome, there would be _no_ eula | 01:40 |
| RichiH | just a thought | 01:40 |
| jausmus | there's an image that does exactly that | 01:40 |
| jausmus | if you don't care about chrome proper, just use the chromium image | 01:41 |
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| RichiH | my main problem is that this will set me back another two hours | 01:41 |
| pupnik | lol @ session ID | 01:42 |
| pupnik | "we want people to download this.... TWIcE!" | 01:42 |
| RichiH | jausmus: just to be sure, does the netbook version which does not say "chrome" come with chroium? | 01:42 |
| RichiH | or is that yet another image? | 01:42 |
| jausmus | yes, the "non-chrome" is a "with-chromium" image | 01:43 |
| RichiH | that should be stated more prominently | 01:43 |
| jausmus | hmm - agreed | 01:44 |
| * RichiH would _never_ have thought about getting a eula-riddled image with chrome if he had known a proper browser came with the other image, as well | 01:44 | |
| RichiH | s/about/of/ | 01:44 |
| shadeslayer | RichiH: use the chromium one | 01:44 |
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| RichiH | shadeslayer_: yah, i am getting it as we speak | 01:46 |
| shadeslayer_ | btw does anyone have a grub entry for meego? like i want to boot the iso directly off my hd with grub 2 | 01:47 |
| RichiH | jausmus: can you do anything about how the second image is presented or do i need to poke someone else> | 01:47 |
| RichiH | ? | 01:47 |
| jausmus | I'm sending an e-mail right now ;) | 01:47 |
| RichiH | shadeslayer_: not possible (yet) | 01:47 |
| shadeslayer_ | RichiH: :( | 01:47 |
| RichiH | grub 2 can reportedly do this with lots of magic, but not reliably | 01:48 |
| RichiH | syslinux can do it, though | 01:48 |
| RichiH | so you _could_ chainload syslinux | 01:48 |
| shadeslayer_ | RichiH: btw i should dd the iso onto the usb right? | 01:48 |
| RichiH | yes | 01:48 |
| shadeslayer_ | RichiH: my thoughts precisely | 01:48 |
| shadeslayer_ | :P | 01:48 |
| RichiH | that did not work for me, but then my image is broken, so... | 01:48 |
| shadeslayer_ | RichiH: any particular byte size? | 01:49 |
| shadeslayer_ | ( for the dd command ) | 01:49 |
| RichiH | personally, i expect grub 2 proper to be able to load from within isos within the next 6 to 12 months | 01:49 |
| jausmus | aaaand sent | 01:49 |
| RichiH | shadeslayer_: i presume that most bytes (since 1970) are precisely 8 bit in size ;) | 01:50 |
| RichiH | if you mean block size, 64k has proven to be the all-round faast & robust value | 01:50 |
| shadeslayer_ | RichiH: yeah.. its been a long day :P | 01:51 |
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| shadeslayer_ | RichiH: can we supply the kernel to grub2 for booting? | 01:53 |
| shadeslayer_ | RichiH: im getting the guys over from #grub to help | 01:54 |
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| shadeslayer_ | RichiH: phcoder | 01:55 |
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| shadeslayer_ | btw does meego support the normal T series Intel processors and nvidia graphics cards? | 01:56 |
| shadeslayer_ | ill be really surprised if it does :P | 01:56 |
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| phcoder | RichiH: grub2 is able to load files from inside iso image for at least one year. | 01:57 |
| shadeslayer_ | phcoder: btw ill need to put the image in /boot to get it working right? | 01:58 |
| shadeslayer_ | s/working/booting | 01:59 |
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| phcoder | but you can't chainload iso file, it would need BIOS hook which won't work with anything modern. | 02:00 |
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| Bozzy | hi guys... | 02:23 |
| pupnik | hi | 02:23 |
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| Bozzy | question about installation of meego 1.0 - perhaps u can help: The installation stucks when it comes to installing the bootloader... any ideas? I used default setup of partitions | 02:25 |
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| pupnik | no error message Bozzy ? | 02:26 |
| Bozzy | nope.. screen is also not frozen.. just says "installing bootloader" - very early stage of installation | 02:27 |
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| pupnik | i havent seen that problem yet. perhaps a bug report is in order | 02:28 |
| Bozzy | is there a possibility not to install a bootloader? | 02:29 |
| Bozzy | ok. | 02:29 |
| h00k | I thought there was, I don't remember :$ | 02:30 |
| Bozzy | :) | 02:30 |
| h00k | I just installed it today, anyway. Cool stuff. | 02:31 |
| h00k | Cept bash is being silly. | 02:31 |
| h00k | I add bash aliases to ~/.bashrc and it doesn't recognize them, also, I added it to check in ~/.bash_aliases too, and it wouldn't | 02:31 |
| h00k | (closed, reopened terminal) | 02:32 |
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| acurrie | hey meego users | 02:32 |
| pupnik | this may address your problem Bozzy http://www.mail-archive.com/meego-dev@meego.com/msg01189.html | 02:33 |
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| Bozzy | yea found this thread also | 02:34 |
| Bozzy | i also tryied to manually set the partitions.. | 02:34 |
| Bozzy | but thanks for your help. | 02:34 |
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| pupnik | good luck Bozzy | 02:36 |
| Bozzy | thx pupnik! | 02:36 |
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| h00k | Is there anything special with the bash included in MeeGo? | 02:48 |
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| RichiH | phcoder: so can i actually boot "into" an iso? | 02:49 |
| h00k | For instance, my aliases are not working as they should | 02:49 |
| pupnik | you mean short-bus "special"? | 02:49 |
| RichiH | phcoder: in any case: interesting :) | 02:49 |
| h00k | pupnik: perhaps :) | 02:49 |
| h00k | pupnik: 'different' in general, I guess. | 02:49 |
| pupnik | adding aliases to .profile or what | 02:50 |
| h00k | or to .bashrc inder the # for aliases | 02:50 |
| h00k | alias commandhere='this is an alias' | 02:50 |
| phcoder | RichiH: your question is imprecise and depending on what you mean it's either "yes" or "no". I can e.g. boot Ubuntu LiveCD stored in iso file. | 02:50 |
| h00k | pupnik: even including this isn't working properly | 02:51 |
| pupnik | what happens if you add the alias to .profile and start a new shell | 02:52 |
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| mattA | hi? | 02:52 |
| pupnik | hi | 02:52 |
| h00k | pupnik: http://pastebin.com/sgub6zGL | 02:52 |
| h00k | pupnik: and then adding them to ~/.bash_aliases | 02:53 |
| h00k | let me try .profile | 02:53 |
| mattA | hi there, just a quickie... has anyone managed to boot meego as a 'livecd'? | 02:53 |
| h00k | pupnik: no go there, either | 02:53 |
| mattA | i tried using unetbootin to transfer the .img to a usb pen but got lots of errors | 02:53 |
| pupnik | ok now confused | 02:53 |
| bef0rd | mattA, use dd or meego image writter | 02:54 |
| h00k | pupnik: I've tried to add aliases to .bashrc, .bash_profile, and .bash_aliases, none of them seem to be responding | 02:54 |
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| h00k | pupnik: I've fired up a new shell, etc | 02:54 |
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| pupnik | i would love an excuse to investigate that | 02:55 |
| h00k | pupnik: I don't blame you for not :) | 02:55 |
| pupnik | low on time. let us know what it is | 02:55 |
| h00k | will try. /me heads to forums | 02:56 |
| mattA | @bef0rd, cheers mate.. didn't actually know there was a meego image writer, it's not on the website/wiki | 02:56 |
| bef0rd | mattA, mic-image-writer http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation#Running_mic-image-writer | 02:57 |
| mattA | doh! didn't notice it before, thanks again +1 | 02:57 |
| bef0rd | mattA, no problem | 02:58 |
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| BigLou | hey all | 03:03 |
| BigLou | okay... im trying to install this on my laptop.... | 03:03 |
| BigLou | im at the boot screen | 03:03 |
| BigLou | with these options: boot, install, boot from local | 03:03 |
| BigLou | but it does not recognize my laptop's keyboard | 03:03 |
| BigLou | so i can't select anything | 03:03 |
| BigLou | anyone know what could be causing this? | 03:04 |
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| RichiH | phcoder: nice. can you paste me the relevant snippet, please? | 03:12 |
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| phcoder | menuentry "Live CD ubuntu-9.10-beta-dvd-i386.iso" { filename=/ubuntu-9.10-beta-dvd-i386.iso; search -sf $filename; loopback loop $filename; linux (loop)/casper/vmlinuz boot=casper iso-scan/filename=$filename; initrd (loop)/casper/initrd.lz } | 03:18 |
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| koupsaa | mplayer works | 04:09 |
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| mustiiiii | do u use meego | 04:30 |
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| PrO | Hi there, meego sdk only supports linux now, right? | 06:46 |
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| mint | hello will meego work on a desktop computer with an intel cpu? | 07:25 |
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| mint | anyone here? | 07:28 |
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| Termana | mint, it probably will, as long as the CPU has support for SSSE3 | 07:32 |
| mint | ok thanks then ill download it and try it | 07:33 |
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| chid | mmm meego | 09:36 |
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| chid | I hear meego doesn't work with gma500 | 09:38 |
| chid | but the betas do | 09:38 |
| chid | is this true? | 09:38 |
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| Stskeeps | we have meego betas? :P | 09:39 |
| PrO | It seems meego sdk only supports linux, when will it starts to support mac and windows ? | 09:41 |
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| Stskeeps | PrO: think that comes with the qt minded sdks | 09:42 |
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| thiago_home | PrO: soon | 09:52 |
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| pinchartl | hi | 10:00 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: have you seen arjan's email on -dev "they're being finalized right now and documented" (kernel process docs) | 10:02 |
| lbt | surely that should be : "the first public draft is being written?" ... | 10:03 |
| lbt | "on the wiki" | 10:03 |
| lbt | "in the open" | 10:03 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: well, kernel team doesn't work in the open atm and i guess it's up to team members to determine policy .. but dunno | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | we all have to bootstrap somewhere and it can't possibly be worse than the last one. | 10:04 |
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| pinchartl | Stskeeps: is there a single kernel team, or different ones for the different platforms ? | 10:13 |
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| Stskeeps | pinchartl: actually, we're not entirely sure.. there's one central repo | 10:13 |
| pinchartl | ok | 10:14 |
| pinchartl | well, one central official repo :-) | 10:14 |
| pinchartl | I would be very surprised if each device vendor didn't develop their own kernel changes behind closed doors | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | we develop our n900 stuff in the open at least | 10:15 |
| pinchartl | Stskeeps: including the kernel for n900+ (harmattan) ? | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | pinchartl: meego (proper meego) n900 kernel, 2.6.33 and such, is developed openly | 10:17 |
| pinchartl | ah ok, that one | 10:17 |
| pinchartl | but vendors will still customize kernels for their product. as much as we will encourage them to do so openly, I don't expect them to push all changes upstream for instance | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | they have to | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | if they want their changes into meego kernel package | 10:18 |
| pinchartl | s/product/products/ | 10:18 |
| infobot | pinchartl meant: but vendors will still customize kernels for their products. as much as we will encourage them to do so openly, I don't expect them to push all changes upstream for instance | 10:18 |
| pinchartl | yes, *if* they want their changes into the meego kernel package | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | they can't be meego compliant otherwise | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:18 |
| pinchartl | Stskeeps: let's take an example then. what about the DRM (as in digital restrictions/rights management) framework scheduled for then n900 successor ? that one won't make it upstream | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | that's supposed to be open source, afaik, but we don't have anything to deal with the successor | 10:20 |
| thiago_home | if the DRM framework isn't upstreamed, then meego probably won't have it | 10:20 |
| thiago_home | which means Nokia may have to keep that as a delta on top of meego | 10:20 |
| pinchartl | thiago_home: ok, that's what I thought. thanks for the clarification | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | pinchartl: i think kernel process is still being worked on | 10:20 |
| thiago_home | note the "probably" | 10:21 |
| thiago_home | also note that "not upstream" doesn't mean "not open source" | 10:21 |
| pinchartl | indeed | 10:21 |
| pinchartl | the kernel is covered by the GPL license, and I wouldn't expect Nokia not to comply with it :-) | 10:22 |
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| pinchartl | I have no worries there | 10:22 |
| thiago_home | damn, three negatives in the sentence :-) | 10:22 |
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| pinchartl | Stskeeps: so you're working on the meego kernel for the N900 ? do you know if someone is working on the camera driver(s) ? | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | pinchartl: feel free to ask in #meego-arm | 10:25 |
| pinchartl | thanks | 10:25 |
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| Khertan | Hi all ! | 10:26 |
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| _wasabi | hello | 10:42 |
| _wasabi | i'm trying to figure out why aim won't connect on empathy or pidgin. i think it has something to do with the gnome-proxy settings | 10:42 |
| _wasabi | but i've tried changing it to direct connection but i still don't have any luck with aim | 10:42 |
| _wasabi | has anyone experienced the same problem? | 10:43 |
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| Votan | are u actually able to install ANY non-meego rpm without geting errors ?! | 11:23 |
| Votan | it wont even let me install dropbox o.0 | 11:23 |
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| Votan | how do you actually open a shell in MeeGo ? | 11:29 |
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| koupsaa | hello | 11:30 |
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| logic855 | Votan: in applications there is terminal? or do an alt+left ? or is that not what you mean? | 11:33 |
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| flosit | hi guys, does anybody know, if you can save network profiles? my router just quit and i had to reconnect but meego didnt save the password. since my router is a bit unstable (as the one in university) this could very easily get on ones nerves. | 11:36 |
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| Votan | anyone inhere tried to use chrome unstable instead of beta ? | 11:55 |
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| troozers | Hi MeeGo Gurus... just trying to install MeeGo on an Asus 700 (4GB SD Disk).. whats the minimum partitions/sizes it requires - default layout complains of not enough disk space | 12:13 |
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| Vali | Hi all | 12:31 |
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| Vali | I have downloaded the MeeGo live img with google chrome and run on intel pc | 12:32 |
| Vali | in applications there is no office or presentation viewr ? am i get the wrong image or MeeGo by default doesn't support the ooffice ? | 12:34 |
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| Vali | does meego support ooffice ? | 12:35 |
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| Vali | any one please help me .. | 12:41 |
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| Vladimiroff | what are system requirments for meego? I read these http://meego.com/devices/netbook/installing-meego-your-netbook and I have them, but how much space I have to separate for it? | 12:43 |
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| Vladimiroff | Because I have one empty 8GB partition, but when try to format it as btrfs with mountpoint / from meego installer I get an error(not enough space for writting the partitions) | 12:44 |
| w00t_ | DawnFoster: do you mind digging through the ML moderation queue at some point? nothing urgent -- I think you might have a mail from one of the collabora folks regarding our mirror being fixed now | 12:44 |
| Vladimiroff | I could of separate for it not more than 8-10 in addition to these 8...but still? | 12:44 |
| * w00t_ does not know | 12:45 | |
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| Vali | In MeeGo 1.0 is there any document viewer (.doc .ppt,pdf ) ? | 13:05 |
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| petsounds | hi all. congratulations for the release of meego 1.0. since i'm new with meego i think i want to understand why meego using .rpm instead of .deb? and also if meego using .rpm the command line will be like in fedora (yum)? thanks | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | first question: because all the toolset (OBS, image building, etc) and OS core was rpm, and lightyears ahead of debian tools in some regards.. second is yum or zypper | 13:13 |
| Tm_T | Stskeeps: lightyears? (:) | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | Tm_T: my primary argument is that debian tools are good for managing debian.org stuff | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:14 |
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| Vladimiroff | MeeGo 1.0 can't install on 20GB partition, because of "Could not allocate requested partitions: Not enough free space on disk | 13:16 |
| pupnik_ | Stskeeps: the HAM update times are unacceptable | 13:17 |
| pupnik_ | meego must be much better | 13:17 |
| Vladimiroff | I have more than 20GB free(un formated partition) and this thing doesn't even want to create a 1GB boot partition | 13:17 |
| pupnik_ | in fact, i would ensure that if allowed | 13:17 |
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| oiaohm | I have a question why is mono included in meego when its legal status is undefined. Does Intel or Nokia have an agreement that protects us downstream? | 13:25 |
| leinir | Yes, it's called "Software patents don't apply in Finland" ;) | 13:26 |
| oiaohm | So I am screwed | 13:26 |
| oiaohm | Don't download or use. | 13:26 |
| leinir | Honestly, i haven't a clue, i just personally don't really care for or about mono any way at all :) | 13:26 |
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| oiaohm | The issue with mono is the patent issue is not resolved. So everyone in countries where patent cases applies using it is a risk. | 13:27 |
| oiaohm | That includes means to block imports of products including items in patent breach. | 13:28 |
| oiaohm | Only one currently out side MS with distribution rights I know of is Novell. leinir | 13:28 |
| oiaohm | Ie get mono directly from Novell legally safe. | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | meego is a linux foundation project | 13:29 |
| oiaohm | And guess what the foundation has sections of it inside the USA. Stskeeps | 13:29 |
| Tm_T | I'm sure they have lawyers involved if needed | 13:30 |
| oiaohm | So yes its a what the heck is going on question. If some side distribution like Ubuntu wants to ship mono who base of operation is out usa fine. | 13:30 |
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| oiaohm | Problem with these patent cases they will wait until the item is in major use before hitting. Tm_T | 13:30 |
| oiaohm | And then are able to hit right back to the point you started using. | 13:31 |
| oiaohm | If there is a deal there covering it no issue. | 13:32 |
| Tm_T | oiaohm: you think Linux Foundation haven't think of this? Or other parties involved? (: | 13:32 |
| * Tm_T just finds it funny why these are discussed here | 13:32 | |
| Stskeeps | or the hordes of nokia and intel lawyers.. | 13:32 |
| oiaohm | That is if they know yet. Stskeeps | 13:33 |
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| pupnik_ | a bit less government would help things along | 13:33 |
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| oiaohm | Thing the past versions of nokia and intel os did not include mono. | 13:33 |
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| Stskeeps | oiaohm: silverlight's also coming to meego, it seems like | 13:34 |
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| oiaohm | silverlight is covered by a intel coverage deal. | 13:34 |
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| oiaohm | Now if mono is as well fine. | 13:34 |
| Khertan_atWork | Hi ! | 13:34 |
| oiaohm | But for us handing it we need to know what is covered and what is not. | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | raise the issue on mailing list, LF lawyers are listening in | 13:35 |
| oiaohm | Novell deal clearly says if it comes from novell fine. | 13:35 |
| oiaohm | But if you pass it on to anyone else | 13:35 |
| oiaohm | You are toast. | 13:35 |
| tekojo | oiaohm are you a lawyer? | 13:35 |
| sx0n | where is that mono used? | 13:36 |
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| oiaohm | I have had lawyers go over using mono. tekojo | 13:36 |
| oiaohm | Reason why I am asking question. I know exactly where limits are. | 13:36 |
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| oiaohm | Unless there is some other agreement I don't have. | 13:36 |
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| tekojo | I would also suggest taking it to dev list, that's where the you will find either lawyers or maintainers who talk to lawyers | 13:36 |
| oiaohm | I will you can understand why I want answer. tekojo | 13:37 |
| tekojo | I know enough to always ask a lawyer :) | 13:37 |
| * sx0n is wondering should i buy law firms stocks, they have golden time coming 'coss foss | 13:38 | |
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| oiaohm | I was hoping it would be simple as read this agreement over there its covered. | 13:38 |
| oiaohm | Not ok lets not worry about it. | 13:38 |
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| tekojo | legal things are never simple, it's always a situation where you have several opinions, a law to be interpreted and a court to handle the whole thing | 13:39 |
| tekojo | so always best find a lawyer to ask :) | 13:40 |
| sx0n | it's like cold war, where everybody loses | 13:40 |
| oiaohm | I hope the answer is intel or someone has a deal covering everyone. | 13:40 |
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| sx0n | as reading mono wiki pages, i don't see why it would be important, or even provided in releases. | 13:42 |
| jusliukk | when doing stuff for resource constrained devices, one might do well to avoid excessive framework layers… there is limited amounts of memory‚ cpu and battery power available... | 13:43 |
| sx0n | kiss ftw | 13:44 |
| lcuk | jusliukk, sure, thats why meego is written entirely in binary. i've worn off the 1 and 0 keys on my laptop keyboard :( | 13:44 |
| jusliukk | lcuk, :D | 13:44 |
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| sx0n | Amiga had good philosophy: Excellence through simplicity | 13:45 |
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| lcuk | sx0n, +10000000000000 | 13:48 |
| oiaohm | Most people failed to notice more and more of mono has changed to MIT licence that does not have even implied patent protection. | 13:49 |
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| Tm_T | notmart: ohai | 13:50 |
| notmart | Tm_T: yo | 13:50 |
| bpeel | banshee is written with Gtk#, hence the inclusion of Mono | 13:51 |
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| oiaohm | bpeel: not a good enough reason if its not legally covered. Fedora does quite well default without Mono. | 13:54 |
| oiaohm | So without benshee | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | banshee's an reference app, you can remove it in own images | 13:54 |
| Tm_T | also you can write an app that is so much better than banshee, making use of it worthless | 13:55 |
| oiaohm | If its just a reference app and there is not a legal coverage it should be gone. Then correct app will have to come. | 13:56 |
| oiaohm | I have posted to the mailing list see what comes of it. Hopefully its not oversite because this could cause some mirror sites some issues. | 13:57 |
| Tm_T | it seems pretty pointless to continue the discussion here, there won't be any decisions made at this time and all that jazz | 13:57 |
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| oiaohm | I was hoping it was a simple case I had missed a coverage document. Tm_T | 13:58 |
| Tm_T | ye | 13:58 |
| oiaohm | So I would not have to bother developers. | 13:58 |
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| oiaohm | I just know from my past is really simple to be in a rush to put something together and forget about legal sides then go o crap. | 13:59 |
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| Ddorda_ntbk | on what distro is meego based? | 14:09 |
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| Stskeeps | it's based on itself | 14:10 |
| Ddorda_ntbk | it doesn't uses any package type? | 14:10 |
| Robot101 | rpm | 14:10 |
| leinir | What' that got to do with distro? :) | 14:10 |
| Robot101 | it uses the OpenSUSE build service, rpm packages, and has some stuff taken from fedora but a lot re-packaged too | 14:10 |
| lucazade | hi! i'd like to know if meego will support gma500 (in future rev)? because i've seen some patches for psb in the git repos | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | lucazade: i doubt netbook ux will, but i've seen IEGD mentioned as a point of reference for meego | 14:11 |
| Ddorda_ntbk | Robot101: thanks | 14:11 |
| lucazade | Stskeeps: thanks for the info.. i'll throw this netbook out a window :( | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | lucazade: i'll take it if you won't ;) | 14:15 |
| lucazade | will u put windows on it?!? | 14:15 |
| lucazade | lol | 14:15 |
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| Stskeeps | well, i have a similar situation, i have a joggler with gma500 | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | i can still find good use for it | 14:17 |
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| TigerTael | I assume nothing new on the Meego N900 UX? | 14:18 |
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| lucazade | i can find a good use as well.. but.. it still remain a terrbile situation | 14:18 |
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| zs | Hi, any chance to get apache package from somewhere or do I have to build from source? | 14:19 |
| lbt_ | lucazade: I'm hoping we can have unofficial support for that kind of thing on the community OBS | 14:20 |
| lbt_ | zs: have you looked in extras | 14:20 |
| lucazade | i believe a voodoo gfx card is better supported :) | 14:20 |
| lucazade | lbt_ : i hope too | 14:20 |
| zs | lbt_: I activated all repositories but I dont see it there | 14:21 |
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| lbt_ | hmm, I thought lighttpd was in there... but I can't find that now either | 14:22 |
| zs | right, I will build from source then | 14:23 |
| lbt_ | wouldn't it be nice if you had an OBS to do that on.... grrr | 14:24 |
| lbt_ | zs: would you step up and 'maintain' it for the meego community? | 14:24 |
| koupsaa | (slow slow chromium) | 14:25 |
| zs | lbt_: I am not as good to do that :) | 14:25 |
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| lbt_ | zs: np... got to ask :) | 14:25 |
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| dstar_one | the "disable touchpad when typing" option in touchpad settings seems to lag me out | 14:29 |
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| dstar_one | no cursor lag now that i unchecked this option, fingers crossed | 14:32 |
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| Stskeeps | also, are we a lightning rod towards open source issues here? rpm vs deb, mono, .. gtk vs qt | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | we're really mounting a impressive bunch of issues ;) | 14:56 |
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| Tm_T | Stskeeps: indeed | 14:59 |
| Tm_T | can't wait vim vs emacs and konqueror vs chrome | 15:00 |
| * Tm_T hides | 15:00 | |
| koupsaa | anybody knows a cool frontend in qt for mplayer ? | 15:00 |
| Tm_T | koupsaa: kmplayer | 15:00 |
| Tm_T | well, it's not plain qt but... | 15:01 |
| koupsaa | 'k' like kde ? | 15:01 |
| koupsaa | don't now if meego support kde libraries | 15:01 |
| Tm_T | yup, can use mplayer and phonon (and phonon can use then vlc, xine, mplayer etc) | 15:01 |
| Tm_T | koupsaa: ah, that can be an issue, yes | 15:01 |
| Tm_T | but I would assume there is/will be support for KDE stuff | 15:02 |
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| koupsaa | thx i go to see phonon | 15:02 |
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| Tm_T | koupsaa: phonon is not player itself, it's just... framework library | 15:03 |
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| koupsaa | i already have mplayer installed in meego codec etc... . but i need a frontend (my friend laugh when he see terminal :) ) | 15:05 |
| koupsaa | he ask me if my eepc is an amstrad :) | 15:05 |
| koupsaa | run "videohollydays.avi" | 15:06 |
| Tm_T | koupsaa: smplayer perhaps? | 15:06 |
| Tm_T | http://smplayer.sourceforge.net/ | 15:07 |
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| koupsaa | mkdir ~/git | 15:19 |
| koupsaa | euh woops sorry | 15:20 |
| koupsaa | R Federer is so great. he disturb me :) | 15:21 |
| lcuk | meego handheld has the security framework stuff planned for it | 15:22 |
| lcuk | will the same framework exist on desktop variant? | 15:22 |
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| Gaap | hi all :) | 15:23 |
| Gaap | i see that meego 1.0 for netbooks is out | 15:23 |
| Gaap | do you know if it supports wpa enterprise connections? | 15:23 |
| koupsaa | yep it supports wpa | 15:23 |
| Gaap | certificates too? | 15:24 |
| Gaap | :O | 15:24 |
| Gaap | (moblin doesn't) | 15:24 |
| Gaap | i need to connect to a wpa-EAP | 15:24 |
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| koupsaa | Gaap, sorry i watch rolland garros . well i m on wpa (tkip+aes). i don't now if this helpyou | 15:39 |
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| koupsaa | try in 'liveusb' | 15:40 |
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| Ddorda | is it possible to run MeeGo on VirtualBox? | 15:45 |
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| Stskeeps | townxelliot: couldn't we technically ask people to drop in their libGL* from their host system into their chroot? in nvidia scenario for instance | 15:47 |
| townxelliot | Stskeeps: you know more about it than I do :) I know very little about the OpenGL stuff (I'm really an application developer, not a platform guy); Haitao Feng, Jackie Wu, the people who've answered on the thread are the technical people on that; if it would work, why not? | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | townxelliot: hmm, i'll try to bait the idea.. i mean, it is the GL api the UX uses anyway | 15:51 |
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| townxelliot | Stskeeps: punt it to meego-sdk, those guys will probably be able to help | 15:52 |
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| j-b | hello. Is OpenMax IL officially part of MeeGo? | 16:22 |
| jusliukk | j-b, atm, only as gstreamer plug-ins | 16:23 |
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| j-b | meaning I am not allowed to use it, else? | 16:24 |
| jusliukk | j-b, no - just that you can't rely on it being available on other meego based systems | 16:24 |
| jusliukk | it's not part of the stable api at this stage | 16:24 |
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| j-b | Are there plans to be? | 16:25 |
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| jusliukk | j-b, i'm pushing it so there is hope | 16:26 |
| j-b | that would be cool. | 16:26 |
| jusliukk | j-b, by any chance of the vlc fame? | 16:26 |
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| j-b | jusliukk: ? | 16:26 |
| jusliukk | helio chissini de castro told me of this guru vlc developer he met last wekeend | 16:26 |
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| jusliukk | helio is in my team | 16:26 |
| j-b | http://git.videolan.org/?p=vlc.git;a=tree;f=modules/codec/omxil;hb=HEAD | 16:27 |
| j-b | this vlc-plugin makes it quite fast to decode on N900 | 16:27 |
| jusliukk | j-b, very nice :) | 16:27 |
| j-b | so before working on a MeeGo interface, I would prefer to know if it is hopeless or not | 16:27 |
| j-b | and of course for the Intel Platfomrs, VAAPI is present | 16:28 |
| j-b | but that is easier | 16:28 |
| jusliukk | you can assume that omx support is basically inherited from the n900, unless we get something better in | 16:28 |
| jusliukk | that something better will be discussed next week | 16:28 |
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| j-b | well, IIRC, we just dlopen the .so | 16:29 |
| j-b | and we don't need extra headers, since they are copied into the omxil vlc plugin tree | 16:29 |
| jusliukk | that's a very spartan approach, but works | 16:30 |
| j-b | multimedia is always spartan ;) | 16:30 |
| jusliukk | i very much hope we get meego be a 1st class openmax citizen, to get some standardization and good apis in place | 16:30 |
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| heliocastro | j-b: Hey, your travel back was ok ? | 16:31 |
| j-b | Well, we have quite impressive perf on N900 (but using Hildon) | 16:31 |
| j-b | heliocastro: f**king long, but cool. I read a lot | 16:31 |
| j-b | and coded :) | 16:31 |
| heliocastro | eheh | 16:31 |
| j-b | as expected, :) | 16:32 |
| heliocastro | i saw webm announcement | 16:32 |
| j-b | that was easy :) | 16:32 |
| heliocastro | for you | 16:32 |
| j-b | difficult is to stabilize the encoding | 16:32 |
| Tm_T | hi heliocastro | 16:32 |
| heliocastro | Tm_T: Hey | 16:32 |
| j-b | Being able to do DVD -> webm quickly is the funny part | 16:33 |
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| heliocastro | i will put my quad core to test encode today | 16:33 |
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| j-b | encode is easy, muxing correctly for live isn't | 16:34 |
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| j-b | jusliukk: many thanks for the answers. | 16:35 |
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| jusliukk | j-b, my pleasure | 16:36 |
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| j-b | bye guys | 16:37 |
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| Nils^ | hello people. Now with the 1.0 release I read news which confused me. Some say the n900 is a "core platform", some say there is no support for the n900 in meego (or other way around? No nokia support for meego?). The question is: Is meego considered as an n900 os where I can make phonecalls and sms after the installation. | 16:42 |
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| Tm_T | Nils^: not yet | 16:43 |
| Tm_T | Nils^: there will be release with n900 binaries later (or so I heard) | 16:43 |
| Nils^ | ok, but the plan is to be a n900 os sometimes in the future, right? | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but not from nokia, from meego project instead | 16:44 |
| smoku | Nils^: N900 is the development platform for MeeGo developers. But there will be no official release of MeeGo for N900 by Nokia. | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | and it might not be as polished as a nokia release | 16:44 |
| TSCHAKeee | Stskeeps: I think we need a canned message bot. ;) | 16:45 |
| Tm_T | you mean factoids? | 16:45 |
| Nils^ | I am just concerned that maemo will die as a platform. Not concerned for maemo, but for me :) | 16:45 |
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| Stskeeps | maemo is dead, once fremantle is no longer getting updates | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | meego's the future | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:46 |
| Nils^ | Thats what I think, too. | 16:46 |
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| Tm_T | I thought the whole point of meego was to obsolete maemo | 16:47 |
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| TSCHAKeee | .... | 16:47 |
| TSCHAKeee | why is this percieved as a bad thing? | 16:47 |
| smoku | but then harmattan is steel maemo based, yes? | 16:47 |
| Bughead | Good morning! | 16:47 |
| Termana | Bughead, good morning | 16:47 |
| TSCHAKeee | there is work being done towards pushing meego to the N900. | 16:47 |
| Nils^ | Tm_T: well, yes. But now nokia says "meego is not for n900, our super phone/device". | 16:47 |
| smoku | so, there will be maemo 6, but just won't be called by maemo name | 16:47 |
| TSCHAKeee | my gosh, where do you guys get your info? | 16:47 |
| Tm_T | Nils^: not yet, yes | 16:47 |
| Bughead | Someone can tell me if MeeGo will USB boot in my MacBook (9400M)? | 16:48 |
| TSCHAKeee | smoku: Harmattan is built on Meego Core | 16:48 |
| TSCHAKeee | smoku: with Nokia's UX. | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | no.. | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:48 |
| smoku | TSCHAKeee: no, it's built on maemo core | 16:48 |
| TSCHAKeee | (you might as well tell them that, explaining that it is meego compatible is only going to make it worse) | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | it's an instance of meego apis plus ux plus nokia differentiation on top of maemo core. | 16:49 |
| smoku | TSCHAKeee: read: still debian based | 16:49 |
| * Termana dies | 16:49 | |
| TSCHAKeee | i'm wondering why people are going all ape over these little details | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | because of one simple reason | 16:49 |
| TSCHAKeee | the meego transition happened well into Nokia working on Harmattan... | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | they are calling harmattan meego | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | which is screwing up things immensely :) | 16:50 |
| TSCHAKeee | ok, i'll give you that one. | 16:50 |
| smoku | as i understand it, Nokia is proceeding as planned and will be releasing Maemo 6 (codename Harmattan) as planned | 16:52 |
| TSCHAKeee | yup | 16:52 |
| smoku | they just not calling it Maemo anymore | 16:52 |
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| smoku | if, you paint a dear in black-white stripes and start calling it zebra, does it mean that the dear is dead? | 16:53 |
| Tm_T | deer, you mean? | 16:53 |
| Termana | smoku, right, with but not just as planned, they are making sure its ABI compatible with MeeGo | 16:53 |
| andre__ | smoku, #philosophy is a different channel | 16:53 |
| Termana | it's* | 16:53 |
| * Stskeeps passes andre__ a good beer | 16:54 | |
| TSCHAKeee | mmm | 16:54 |
| TSCHAKeee | good beer | 16:54 |
| smoku | s/dear/deer/g | 16:54 |
| infobot | smoku meant: if, you paint a deer in black-white stripes and start calling it zebra, does it mean that the deer is dead? | 16:54 |
| smoku | Tm_T: thx | 16:54 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, thanks :) | 16:55 |
| TSCHAKeee | does anyone actually talk in #meego-dev? | 16:55 |
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| Stskeeps | dunno, not a official channel | 16:55 |
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| smoku | Termana: that's nice. but following this rationale, if I start bundling WINE with my Linux distribution it's not Linux anymore - it's Windows! | 16:57 |
| TSCHAKeee | now they tell me | 16:57 |
| TSCHAKeee | :P :) | 16:57 |
| Termana | smoku, I wasn't drawing a line from the ABI compatibility to the name and saying thats why they are doing it. | 16:58 |
| Termana | I simply made sure you understood its not just what they had planned, its also making sure there is API compatibility | 16:58 |
| Termana | API* for all the times I used ABI - late night :P | 16:59 |
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| smoku | So where the voices "Maemo is dead" came from, then? | 17:01 |
| timeless_mbp | 17621 timeless 18 0 2264m 1.4g 532 R 0.2 82.7 791:59.28 genxref | 17:03 |
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| timeless_mbp | the computer i'm using has no memory available (11mb free, 4mb swap) | 17:04 |
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| koupsaa | first day for ipad in france.. and second day of meego for me.. but i m not on tv show :( | 17:09 |
| koupsaa | :) | 17:09 |
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| vesemir | hello | 17:55 |
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| DawnFoster | Hey everyone. We're working a troubleshooting faq for users of MeeGo 1.0 on Netbooks. It's not quite ready for users, but we could use help getting it written :) | 17:58 |
| DawnFoster | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=1997#post1997 | 17:58 |
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| * w00t_ mumbles about mailing lists and egos | 18:10 | |
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| Tm_T | w00t_: sometimes topics like that seems to be more ego/religion than sense | 18:14 |
| w00t_ | i take it you know the thread i'm mumbling about? :) | 18:14 |
| Tm_T | very well | 18:14 |
| * w00t_ hopes he can help push a bit of sanity in | 18:15 | |
| Dstar_1 | hi when i switch to external display my netbook screen turns off, is this a bug or feature? | 18:16 |
| GAN900 | w00t_, sounds fun. | 18:16 |
| GAN900 | w00t_, which thread? | 18:16 |
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| w00t_ | browser thread on meego-dev | 18:16 |
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| * GAN900 wishes fervently for threading in Modest. | 18:18 | |
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| TSCHAKeee | yup | 18:21 |
| TSCHAKeee | recockulous | 18:21 |
| TSCHAKeee | there are bigger issues to figure out | 18:21 |
| TSCHAKeee | and no, the fact that netbook UX bundles Banshee isn't one of them | 18:22 |
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| Tm_T | yup, it will be replaced with Qt apps anyway... | 18:22 |
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| * w00t_ headdesks. :P | 18:23 | |
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| CosmoHill | pillow* | 18:28 |
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| FunkyPenguin | interesting, when using the disk utility manager via the usb image to view a local hdd Meego crashes | 18:32 |
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| shadeslayer | hi where can i find the md5sum for the chromium image? | 18:33 |
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| CosmoHill | http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.md5sum | 18:33 |
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| FunkyPenguin | only plus is that it crashes quickly and cleanly without spurting a ream of errors, but that is also a negative :) | 18:33 |
| shadeslayer | oh noes.. | 18:35 |
| shadeslayer | different md5sums :P | 18:35 |
| shadeslayer | btw i downloaded from a different site.. so will that matter? | 18:35 |
| CosmoHill | should all be the same | 18:36 |
| shadeslayer | :( | 18:36 |
| * shadeslayer wonders if theres a torrent | 18:36 | |
| CosmoHill | nope | 18:37 |
| CosmoHill | you can download the image from that server too | 18:37 |
| shadeslayer | okies... looks like ill have to download again | 18:38 |
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| techsoldaten | shadeslayer, have you been having trouble downloading MeeGo from the actual site? | 18:39 |
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| techsoldaten | like from here? | 18:40 |
| techsoldaten | http://download2.meego.com/ | 18:40 |
| CosmoHill | http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.img | 18:40 |
| Tm_T | w00t_: can I complain now about Qt vs QT ? | 18:40 |
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| CosmoHill | that image should work, the md5sum checks out | 18:40 |
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| jvillalo | Hey I just my Dell Mini 10v setup with Meego 1.0. I got the Broadcom driver setup and installed. Only weird thing is that it doesn't show any wireless networks unless I do a "sudo iwlist scan" :( Is there some magic to fix that? | 18:41 |
| jvillalo | When I do the "iwlist scan" as my normal user it says the interface doesn't support scanning. So I have to be root to scan. | 18:42 |
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| w00t_ | Tm_T: QuickTime is no good, Qt rocks. end of story. :-) | 18:42 |
| CosmoHill | could be a permission's issue | 18:42 |
| shadeslayer | techsoldaten: no actually i want a wgetable link or a torrent | 18:42 |
| shadeslayer | i keep closing and opening chromium :P | 18:42 |
| Tm_T | w00t_: tell that in ML (; | 18:42 |
| CosmoHill | shadeslayer: the link i gave you :) | 18:42 |
| techsoldaten | got it | 18:42 |
| jvillalo | CosmoHill: That was my assumption :) But I don't know how to give it permission. | 18:42 |
| techsoldaten | mind testing that link for me tho? | 18:43 |
| CosmoHill | chmod +s /path/to/file | 18:43 |
| shadeslayer | techsoldaten: which one? | 18:43 |
| techsoldaten | I am the guy making sure the servers work, and just want to check in on the experience for other folks | 18:43 |
| techsoldaten | http://download2.meego.com/ | 18:43 |
| jvillalo | CosmoHill: The magic is in knowing what file ;) | 18:43 |
| techsoldaten | I know it;s not wgettable | 18:43 |
| shadeslayer | techsoldaten: oh i downloaded from dowload3.meego.com | 18:43 |
| CosmoHill | type -p iwlist | 18:43 |
| techsoldaten | that works too | 18:43 |
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| techsoldaten | came down okay? no serious issues? | 18:43 |
| shadeslayer | techsoldaten: that was yesterday and now the md5sim is bad | 18:44 |
| techsoldaten | hrm | 18:44 |
| shadeslayer | techsoldaten: well.. i downloaded with a -c option | 18:44 |
| Dstar_1 | techsoldaten: j0nni've downloaded a corrupt .img twice today from meego.com, im looking for officially supported torrent? this was me yesterday | 18:44 |
| shadeslayer | Torrents are more reliable | 18:44 |
| techsoldaten | it was from one of the downloadx.meego.com servers? | 18:44 |
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| techsoldaten | teh deal with the chrome torrent is google does not want anyone getting that without agreeing to the EULA | 18:45 |
| techsoldaten | ohthehugemanatee, some backchannel: | 18:45 |
| techsoldaten | [11:44] <Dstar_1> techsoldaten: j0nn i've downloaded a corrupt .img twice today from meego.com, im looking for officially supported torrent? this was me yesterday | 18:45 |
| shadeslayer | techsoldaten: yes | 18:45 |
| techsoldaten | [11:44] <shadeslayer> techsoldaten: that was yesterday and now the md5sim is bad | 18:46 |
| techsoldaten | could this just be an issue with the checksum itself? | 18:46 |
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| ohthehugemanatee | we can generate a new checksum | 18:46 |
| ohthehugemanatee | they've changed the name of the file since downloads started, maybe the checksum was off the old name? | 18:46 |
| techsoldaten | wondering about that | 18:46 |
| ohthehugemanatee | the downloads are coming from Amazon S3, so it's not likely an issue with the outgoing connection :| | 18:47 |
| techsoldaten | shadeslayer, were you able to do anything with the image once you got it? | 18:47 |
| techsoldaten | like, if the download was incomplete, I would expect it to be unusable | 18:47 |
| Dstar_1 | my downloads were incomplete, 400mb and 500mb | 18:47 |
| techsoldaten | Dstar_1, where are you physically located? | 18:48 |
| shadeslayer | techsoldaten: it was a complete download,im trying to write it to a usb drive now... | 18:48 |
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| ohthehugemanatee | the full image is more like 800 mb | 18:48 |
| Dstar_1 | the UK techsoldaten | 18:48 |
| ohthehugemanatee | * it IS 800 mb | 18:48 |
| techsoldaten | interesting | 18:48 |
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| ohthehugemanatee | do the downloads cut off after a period of time? | 18:49 |
| techsoldaten | ohthehugemanatee, we could add servers from other zones into the security group | 18:49 |
| Dstar_1 | i finally got the full image, i tthink | 18:49 |
| ohthehugemanatee | techsoldaten: it's nothing to do with the servers/zones | 18:49 |
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| ohthehugemanatee | the file is coming from S3, which is a distributed system | 18:49 |
| ohthehugemanatee | outside the load balancer, outside of our instances | 18:49 |
| techsoldaten | Dstar_1, you ever have issues like this with other large file downloads? | 18:49 |
| Dstar_1 | no techsoldaten | 18:50 |
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| techsoldaten | mkay | 18:50 |
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| techsoldaten | that feedback helps, we appreciate it | 18:50 |
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| Dstar_1 | im sure theres a post in the forum with another user, hold on... | 18:50 |
| ohthehugemanatee | that would be great Dstar | 18:51 |
| jvillalo | Do I need to anything besides "service start sshd" to be able to ssh into my Meego system? It seems like there is a firewall running, but it doesn't seem to be iptables based if there is one. | 18:51 |
| jvillalo | Never mind. | 18:53 |
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| th0br0 | eveing | 20:44 |
| CosmoHill | hey th0br0 | 20:45 |
| th0br0 | heya CosmoHill | 20:46 |
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| th0br0 | how are your assignments faring? | 20:46 |
| CosmoHill | I got 68% on my c++ assighment | 20:46 |
| CosmoHill | I could do with your help with revision :) | 20:46 |
| th0br0 | sure. | 20:47 |
| celestica | hi. i have a simple question | 20:47 |
| th0br0 | ho much do you need? | 20:47 |
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| celestica | why does 2 different meego release exist at time? ia32 and other? | 20:48 |
| CosmoHill | probably a fair bit but any will be appreciated | 20:48 |
| CosmoHill | celestica: there is a x86 (ia32) and a ARM7 one | 20:49 |
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| celestica | well then i should grab the ia32 version. ok thanks :) | 20:52 |
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| CosmoHill | one has google chrome and one has chromimum | 20:53 |
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| RagnarokAngel | Has anyone installed meego on an eee 900A? | 20:54 |
| celestica | oh yes. that should have been my question actually. chromium one is just the chromium look we already know? | 20:55 |
| CosmoHill | not sure | 20:55 |
| CosmoHill | it's not on the listed devices | 20:55 |
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| CosmoHill | celestica: only difference is the browser | 20:55 |
| CosmoHill | chrome isn't open source so you need to agree to an EULA | 20:56 |
| celestica | then other one firefox? hmm i'll take the chrome then | 20:56 |
| celestica | thanks :) | 20:56 |
| CosmoHill | nope | 20:56 |
| CosmoHill | well maybe | 20:56 |
| RagnarokAngel | It's giving me an issue about the size on my HDD | 20:58 |
| RagnarokAngel | saying that I cannot install because it requires 3000MB to install, and it's reporting my system filesize as 38xx and saying it's not large enough | 20:59 |
| RagnarokAngel | What gives? | 20:59 |
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| CosmoHill | oops | 20:59 |
| RagnarokAngel | Is the installer supposed to require 4GB to install? | 21:00 |
| CosmoHill | It might do | 21:00 |
| RagnarokAngel | Well, I had moblin running no problem so I don't understand the sudden cut off on my hardware. | 21:01 |
| CosmoHill | same | 21:01 |
| CosmoHill | moblin runs off my laptop but meego doesn't | 21:01 |
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| RagnarokAngel | Well it runs just fine off of the liveUSB image | 21:03 |
| CosmoHill | hmm | 21:04 |
| RagnarokAngel | but won't install because of "not meeting recommended specs" even though the math that it says is showing it should. | 21:04 |
| RagnarokAngel | I should probably find a way to screencap... | 21:04 |
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| RagnarokAngel | Hmm I should check what they say is "min reqs"... | 21:07 |
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| RagnarokAngel | Nowhere can I find how large the HDD is supposed to be. | 21:10 |
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| rickbsgu | ping - anyone here? | 21:19 |
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| rickbsgu | test msg - someone please respond... | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | yes, we're here | 21:19 |
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| rickbsgu | ok, good. | 21:20 |
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| rickbsgu | I'm wondering about the TSG meetings - is it possible to lurk? | 21:20 |
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| CosmoHill | yes you can lurk in meetings | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | yes, free for all, sometimes it's moderated, sometimes it's not | 21:20 |
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| Stskeeps | the logs are open too to read | 21:21 |
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| CosmoHill | hey Stskeeps | 21:21 |
| rickbsgu | Great. I've just downloaded the SDK and am getting familiar with it. would like to keep up on the directions of things. | 21:21 |
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| rickbsgu | where do I find the logs? | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | rickbsgu: they're referred on the minutes | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 21:22 |
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| rickbsgu | ok, where do I find the minutes? | 21:23 |
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| em_pleh | hello | 21:28 |
| em_pleh | does meego for the notebook support skype? | 21:28 |
| CosmoHill | you mean download it from their website and install it on meego? | 21:29 |
| em_pleh | sure | 21:29 |
| CosmoHill | give it a go and find out | 21:30 |
| em_pleh | lol thanks CosmoHill | 21:30 |
| CosmoHill | I'm pretty sure meego won't come with skype as it's closed source | 21:30 |
| rickbsgu | I have an ASUS 1000H, currently running 'easypeasy (ubuntu)', w/ grub boot loader. Has anyone installed Meego in a dual boot scenario? I'd like to do this.. | 21:33 |
| CosmoHill | you can install meego without a boot loader ( i think) and then add meego to your current boot loader | 21:34 |
| markc | rickbsgu, I installed it one a partition of a notebook but I loop mounted it a few times until I found the raw filesystem and rsync'd it to an alreadu formatted partition | 21:37 |
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| rickbsgu | CosmoHill - that sounds what I'm hoping to do. I've reserved a partition to do this. Not sure about swap and all of that... | 21:38 |
| Yoshi47 | i tried booting meego 1.0 on a dell mini 12 but it says it can't find the frame buffer device? anyone have a clue? | 21:38 |
| em_pleh | Yoshi47 have you looked into using mandriva InstantOn | 21:39 |
| CosmoHill | Yoshi47: what graphics card do you have? | 21:39 |
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| Yoshi47 | Intel Poulsbo | 21:43 |
| Yoshi47 | meeog web page says they tested meego on it, so its kinda weird | 21:43 |
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| Yoshi47 | em_pleh, this is the meego chat, i don't care about mandriva | 21:44 |
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| rickbsgu | I'm new to IRC - I'm using a web-client (webchat.freenode.net) and it seems to be working reasonably well. How do I direct a message to someone in particular? Or answer someone in particular. | 21:49 |
| DawnFoster | rickbsgu: just answer people here in this channel and preface it with their username (like I just did with you) | 21:50 |
| RagnarokAngel | hitting tab for autocomplete works on webchat, doesn't it? | 21:50 |
| rickbsgu | DawnFoster - ok, does this work? | 21:50 |
| DawnFoster | rickbgsu: yep :) | 21:50 |
| rickbsgu | cool. | 21:51 |
| rickbsgu | DawnFoster - cool. | 21:51 |
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| CosmoHill | hey DawnFoster | 21:52 |
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| DawnFoster | hey cosmohill | 21:52 |
| Yoshi47 | CosmoHill, any clue | 21:52 |
| CosmoHill | rickbsgu: simply prefix the question with the person's name. Like I'm doing now :) | 21:52 |
| CosmoHill | nope sorry | 21:53 |
| rickbsgu | CosmoHill: Yeah, I think I got it thanks. Is there a way to go private? | 21:53 |
| CosmoHill | there is but you should ask the user first | 21:53 |
| rickbsgu | Sure. Just trying to figure out how it works. | 21:54 |
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| cosmo2 | let's see now | 21:54 |
| CosmoHill | right | 21:54 |
| cosmo2 | click on the person's name on the left side colum | 21:54 |
| cosmo2 | then select "query" | 21:55 |
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| liel | Hello everyone | 22:08 |
| CosmoHill | hi | 22:09 |
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| liel | Which web browser does Meego use? | 22:11 |
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| CosmoHill | chrome or chromium i think | 22:11 |
| berserke1 | there 1.0 network release has an option to use Google chrome as web browser | 22:12 |
| liel | But does Chrome (or Chromium) works correctly in mobile devices? | 22:13 |
| CLabel | at leas chromium is in repos: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.0.80.3.20100525.1/core/repos/ia32/packages/i586/ | 22:13 |
| liel | I think about programming a mobile lightweight browser for Meego. Is this application necessary? | 22:15 |
| thiago_home | liel: there are many browsers out there | 22:15 |
| frals | handset meego is gonna use mobile firefox isnt it? | 22:15 |
| thiago_home | lightweight browsers are easy. Fully-featured ones are hard to come by. | 22:16 |
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| thiago_home | frals: it will be one option, yes | 22:16 |
| thiago_home | doesn't mean it's the only | 22:16 |
| thiago_home | or that devices will ship with it | 22:16 |
| frals | fair enough | 22:16 |
| liel | OK | 22:17 |
| berserke1 | CLabel, thanks for the info | 22:20 |
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| QwertyM | is there a fundamental difference between Symbian^3 and MeeGo? | 22:24 |
| QwertyM | If I were to buy a device, should this choice matter? | 22:24 |
| thiago_home | QwertyM: yes, there's a fundamental difference | 22:25 |
| thiago_home | one is Symbian, the other is Linux | 22:25 |
| thiago_home | let me put it this way: the *only* thing they have in common is Qt | 22:25 |
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| QwertyM | ah, so they are both targeted at different levels of devices? | 22:26 |
| thiago_home | there aren't any MeeGo handheld devices yet | 22:26 |
| thiago_home | Nokia devices running MeeGo will probably be high-end (at least, in the beginning), like the N900 is | 22:26 |
| thiago_home | Symbian devices are mid- to high-end | 22:26 |
| thiago_home | sorry, Nokia Symbian devices | 22:27 |
| QwertyM | ok | 22:27 |
| thiago_home | other manufacturers may do whatever they want | 22:27 |
| CosmoHill | Meego 1.0 came out this week :) | 22:27 |
| thiago_home | yep | 22:27 |
| QwertyM | thanks thiago_home, that actually made my soon-to-come choice easier :) | 22:28 |
| thiago_home | maybe next week we'll get a handset :-P | 22:28 |
| QwertyM | haha | 22:28 |
| CosmoHill | I'm curious, what do low end nokia devices run? | 22:29 |
| thiago_home | S40 | 22:29 |
| thiago_home | and the lowest end still uses S30 | 22:29 |
| punkmexic | is meego os only for nokya systems or can be installed in any laptop | 22:30 |
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| thiago_home | punkmexic: it's available for everyone | 22:31 |
| thiago_home | the MeeGo Netbook edition was released this week, for Atom-powered netbooks | 22:31 |
| QwertyM | thiago_home: Qt being what it is, apps may be common between both Symbian and MeeGo, correct? | 22:32 |
| thiago_home | QwertyM: that's the objective | 22:32 |
| punkmexic | is it based on debian __?? | 22:32 |
| QwertyM | okay, glad to hear :) | 22:32 |
| thiago_home | punkmexic: no | 22:32 |
| punkmexic | or is something new | 22:32 |
| RagnarokAngel | fedora I think | 22:32 |
| thiago_home | RagnarokAngel: not really | 22:32 |
| thiago_home | MeeGo is its own upstream | 22:32 |
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| punkmexic | upstream means something new=?? | 22:32 |
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| RagnarokAngel | right, it is now, but didn't they take a chunk of fedora and fork it? | 22:33 |
| thiago_home | takes parts of Fedora, parts of SUSE, own innovation, etc. | 22:33 |
| RagnarokAngel | oh and SUSE | 22:33 |
| thiago_home | yes | 22:33 |
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| punkmexic | im new in linux..i use ubuntu | 22:33 |
| punkmexic | is it easy as ubuntu_=?? | 22:33 |
| thiago_home | it's not the same thing | 22:33 |
| punkmexic | can i install ubuntu apps there easily | 22:33 |
| RagnarokAngel | no, you need rpms | 22:33 |
| thiago_home | ubuntu is a desktop distribution, mostly | 22:33 |
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| thiago_home | there's (or there will be) a ubuntu edition for netbooks | 22:34 |
| punkmexic | and meego is not desktopp distribution | 22:34 |
| RagnarokAngel | there has been for 3 releases now thiago_home | 22:34 |
| thiago_home | MeeGo is right now for netbooks, plus handset, IVI and more in the future | 22:34 |
| thiago_home | RagnarokAngel: I wasn't sure | 22:34 |
| punkmexic | ok | 22:34 |
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| RagnarokAngel | yeah, the UNR (being renamed UNE) is nice | 22:34 |
| freeedrich| | testing meego right now - just one question.. how to change the language to de_DE? | 22:34 |
| RagnarokAngel | but it's not snappy like I want :-p | 22:34 |
| thiago_home | and of course we're trying to convince Canonical to use Qt in UNE too :-) | 22:34 |
| freeedrich| | I can't write even @ - though it should be just the same... | 22:35 |
| lcuk | i have qt apps in ubuntu? | 22:35 |
| lcuk | are they missing from une? | 22:35 |
| thiago_home | lcuk: you can have apps there. There's even Kubuntu. | 22:35 |
| thiago_home | the point was to convince Canonical to develop using Qt and promote it as the API of choice | 22:35 |
| lcuk | ahh was just with the way you were sounding like it was banned | 22:36 |
| punkmexic | see ya | 22:36 |
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| RagnarokAngel | UNE is still Gnome which means lots of GTK+ | 22:36 |
| th0br0 | UNR / UNE ? | 22:36 |
| RagnarokAngel | Ubuntu Netbook Remix vs Ubuntu Netbook Experience | 22:36 |
| th0br0 | ah ok | 22:36 |
| RagnarokAngel | they retitled it. | 22:36 |
| thiago_home | Ubuntu Netbook Edition | 22:36 |
| thiago_home | or experience | 22:36 |
| RagnarokAngel | whatever | 22:36 |
| RagnarokAngel | I can't remember | 22:36 |
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| RagnarokAngel | doesn't really matter | 22:36 |
| thiago_home | it uses Unity as its shell | 22:36 |
| thiago_home | I saw some concepts while I was at UDS and they were interesting | 22:37 |
| RagnarokAngel | not yet | 22:37 |
| RagnarokAngel | Unity isn't in any of the stable builds yet | 22:37 |
| lcuk | has anyone run sloc analysis on meego netbook? | 22:37 |
| RagnarokAngel | 10.10 for Unity unless you want to run it from PPA | 22:37 |
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| thiago_home | they're also going to release an ARM build of it | 22:37 |
| freeedrich| | my Language tab is empty in settings - how is that possible? | 22:37 |
| lcuk | if so are the figures anywjere | 22:38 |
| thiago_home | for ARM netbooks | 22:38 |
| freeedrich| | (meego on a sd card) | 22:38 |
| RagnarokAngel | ubuntu has an arm build already I think | 22:38 |
| RagnarokAngel | just not smartbook optimized | 22:38 |
| thiago_home | point is that they're putting a lot of effort on ARM now | 22:38 |
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| freeedrich| | Date & Time is empty too :/ | 22:38 |
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| vivijim | is there a ubifs image available for n900 somewhere? or is the raw on sd the only available option for now? or is there any way to convert the raw file to ubifs? | 22:42 |
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| Stskeeps | use raw on sd, ie, external sd | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | we don't do internal nand as everyone is moving to mmc anyway and we couldn't fit at some point :P | 22:42 |
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| vivijim | ok thanks | 22:42 |
| freeedrich| | I can't use my keyboard, since the settings tab for Language is empty - what can I do to get my kbd-settings to de_DE? | 22:43 |
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| * w00t_ relaxes after writing a lot of email | 22:47 | |
| * thiago_home is at sub-ten inbox at the end of the week | 22:48 | |
| w00t_ | 134 unread | 22:48 |
| w00t_ | but I really don't want to deal with them right now | 22:48 |
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| w00t_ | I think I'll have to, as I keep threatening, declare email bankrupcy and unsubscribe a bunch of things while I'm at it | 22:48 |
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| RagnarokAngel | my installer keeps hanging on installing bootloader | 22:59 |
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| RagnarokAngel | anyone know why that would happen? | 23:04 |
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| RagnarokAngel | anyone? | 23:10 |
| CLabel | have you tried again? | 23:11 |
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| RagnarokAngel | this is hte second time it's hung on installing bootloadr | 23:23 |
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| CLabel | is there any messages on the screen? | 23:24 |
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| RagnarokAngel | just installing bootloader | 23:25 |
| RagnarokAngel | been like that for over 45 minutes | 23:25 |
| RagnarokAngel | :-( | 23:26 |
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| CLabel | difficult to say.. | 23:28 |
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| w00t_ | anyone know what it takes for meego (netbook) to pick up wireless in the UI? I have a realtek card, installed firmware, rebooted and it's visible in ifconfig/I can use iwlist etcetera, but nothing in the interface.. | 23:35 |
| spide | anyone know any decent video player that i could install? | 23:40 |
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| Jartza | still can't get this to run in virtualbox :() | 23:42 |
| DavidOC | I can't connect to my wpa network | 23:43 |
| RagnarokAngel | spide: the default no good? | 23:44 |
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| spide | RagnarokAngel: i was aiming for mplayer for xvid / divx support | 23:48 |
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| spide | just cant find binaries anywhere and not going to try compiling from sources :) | 23:50 |
| RagnarokAngel | there were VLC builds for moblin | 23:50 |
| RagnarokAngel | spide: would just getting the codecs be enough to tide you over? | 23:51 |
| spide | well for starters :) | 23:51 |
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| RagnarokAngel | hmm | 23:51 |
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| RagnarokAngel | wonder if there's an rpm for just the codecs somewhere… | 23:52 |
| spide | had ubuntu before on my eeepc. meego would suffice if i only could get the xvid support | 23:53 |
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| RagnarokAngel | well I'm sure it's there somewhere | 23:54 |
| RagnarokAngel | I'd be more looking for x264 personally | 23:54 |
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| RagnarokAngel | but yeah the sudo apt-get install ubunut-restricted-extras makes things easy | 23:54 |
| spide | well i think thing will get easier when meego gains more momentum. | 23:55 |
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| spide | anyone know when the meego garage will open? | 23:59 |
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