| prjktdtnt | guess i better find that spare thumbdrive now | 00:00 |
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| nielsvg | allready got it | 00:00 |
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| prjktdtnt | writing to the jumpdrive now, then gonna fire up the netbook and see what she does :) | 00:02 |
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| elgonzo | Anyone knows, if meego runs on WXGA (1366x768) Displays? | 00:06 |
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| mrshaver | Please report any issues with downloading the Chrome image in this channel | 00:07 |
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| jedix | anyone use mic-image-creator? | 00:11 |
| jedix | I'm trying to create an arm image but rpm %post/%pre scriptlets are failing | 00:12 |
| th0br0 | did ew release 1.0? | 00:12 |
| jedix | I don't know | 00:12 |
| th0br0 | oh i missed the meeting :(( | 00:12 |
| jedix | is there a newwer one in build? | 00:13 |
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| jedix | I'm trying use the one in http://repo.meego.com/tools/repo/openSUSE_11.2/ | 00:13 |
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| CosmoHill | I got 87.6% in two cisco exams | 00:16 |
| jedix | gj | 00:16 |
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| th0br0 | congratulations :) | 00:19 |
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| niels_ | problem! help! | 00:19 |
| niels_ | i can get in the bootmenu but whatever i choose i get the error no support for your cpu vendor | 00:19 |
| th0br0 | no problem! help! | 00:19 |
| th0br0 | ;) | 00:19 |
| th0br0 | what cpu do you hav | 00:20 |
| niels_ | hehe | 00:20 |
| th0br0 | *have? | 00:20 |
| niels_ | i dont know | 00:20 |
| niels_ | ive got a hp mini 2130 | 00:20 |
| arjan | what kind of machine is it? | 00:20 |
| CosmoHill | they were the most stupid exams | 00:20 |
| CosmoHill | "this is a laptop" "well done, 5 points" | 00:21 |
| arjan | wonder if this is the 2130 mini with the via chip | 00:21 |
| niels_ | where can i check this? | 00:21 |
| th0br0 | no | 00:21 |
| th0br0 | it's got an atom i think | 00:21 |
| techsoldaten | mrshaver, downloads are going to be spotty for the next 2 minutes | 00:21 |
| th0br0 | uh wait | 00:21 |
| niels_ | thx for the help allready | 00:21 |
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| th0br0 | no i think the 2130 might have that via c7 chip | 00:23 |
| syncopated | is the download working ? | 00:23 |
| niels_ | how can i check it which chip i have? | 00:23 |
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| arjan | http://mirrors.kernel.org/meego/releases/1.0/netbook/images/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.img | 00:23 |
| th0br0 | niels_: yep, the 2133 got the via c7... seems like you're sol | 00:23 |
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| niels_ | damn | 00:24 |
| niels_ | so no meego for me | 00:24 |
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| niels_ | no meego for me? | 00:24 |
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| th0br0 | if you got the hp mini 2133, not that i know of. | 00:25 |
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| jedix | is the 2133 not x86? | 00:25 |
| th0br0 | http://h40059.www4.hp.com/hp2133/ | 00:25 |
| niels_ | ok so i'm screwed because i have a 2133 | 00:25 |
| jedix | it's a via c7-m? | 00:26 |
| th0br0 | seems so | 00:26 |
| jedix | that's x86 | 00:26 |
| jedix | what image did you try? | 00:26 |
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| lcuk | nits x86, but not intel only x86 | 00:27 |
| lcuk | -n | 00:27 |
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| jedix | so what's the image require that it doesn't have? | 00:27 |
| th0br0 | sse3? | 00:27 |
| lcuk | SSSE3 | 00:27 |
| jedix | oh, yeah.. that'd do it. | 00:27 |
| lcuk | +- however many S's as required | 00:27 |
| jedix | no meego for you | 00:27 |
| niels_ | ok | 00:28 |
| jedix | other distros would work | 00:28 |
| niels_ | searching for a 2140 ;) | 00:28 |
| odin_ | but there are i386 repos, and they dont have SSE3 | 00:28 |
| lbt | hey mrshaver o/ | 00:28 |
| jedix | they shouldn't | 00:28 |
| jedix | but there's no image | 00:28 |
| jedix | err they should | 00:28 |
| arjan | odin_: i386 repos? what does i386 mean? | 00:29 |
| th0br0 | x86 | 00:30 |
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| mrshaver | lbt: yes | 00:30 |
| odin_ | well I presume it means no CPUID instruction (therefore no SSE) but you do get MMU and FPU :) | 00:30 |
| arjan | x86 is a wide range of capabilities | 00:30 |
| arjan | sometimes including ssse3 | 00:30 |
| jedix | intel 386, the most basic x86 instruction set that linux works on | 00:30 |
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| arjan | jedix: nobody ships for that since even glibc does not support that anymore | 00:31 |
| lbt | mrshaver: tero agreed we need to have another pow-wow to make sure we're ready when the OBS hw arrives | 00:31 |
| jedix | ah well, I have another issue. | 00:31 |
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| th0br0 | lbt: sounds nice :) looking forward to hearing about its arrival | 00:31 |
| lbt | niels and I have setup a maemo.org OBS now.... it does both fremantle and meego | 00:31 |
| jedix | the mic-image-creator is crapping out making arm images due to %pre/%post scriplets failing | 00:31 |
| lbt | th0br0: mmm me too | 00:31 |
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| lbt | th0br0: we need to make sure it's secured correctly and then we can open up the http ports and give out some beta accounts | 00:32 |
| mrshaver | lbt: yes, agreed | 00:32 |
| th0br0 | sure | 00:32 |
| th0br0 | it'll still be 2 weeks at least i guess :) | 00:32 |
| mrshaver | just trying to get through this release first! | 00:32 |
| lbt | the pr 1.2 has delayed the maemo.org guys | 00:32 |
| lbt | mrshaver: *nod* | 00:32 |
| lbt | then maybe we can get some meego eyes on what we've done? | 00:33 |
| pupnik_ | and maybe a community-fixed sdl | 00:33 |
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| * elgonzo Anyone knows, if meego support WXGA Displays (1366x768)? | 00:38 | |
| odin_ | what do you mean ? do you mean will you get a picture ? or do you mean, will you have a fantastic user experience ? | 00:40 |
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| elgonzo | i mean, if the resolution will be native | 00:41 |
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| RussB | Hey! There's something going on on the meego server: | 00:45 |
| RussB | http://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.0/meego-v1.0-netbooks-google-chrome-browser | 00:45 |
| RussB | That points to download2.meego.com which is redirecting to adshandy.com | 00:45 |
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| RussB | And the regular download page only points to chromium. | 00:46 |
| RussB | Is it a DNS mistake, or a hijacking or what's going on? | 00:46 |
| prjktdtnt | anyone know if there's a way to download the b43 drivers and compile them for meego | 00:47 |
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| pupnik_ | grr b43 | 00:47 |
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| DawnFoster | we're looking into it now | 00:48 |
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| summel | RussB: i was asking that myself :D | 00:49 |
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| prjktdtnt | ok so b43 is currently not yet working then? | 00:49 |
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| DawnFoster | The download with the Chromium image should be fine. | 00:53 |
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| summel | yes it is | 00:55 |
| summel | it just finished for me :) | 00:55 |
| summel | whats the difference anyways? | 00:55 |
| summel | what does chrome has what chromium is missing? | 00:55 |
| techsoldaten | hey guys | 00:56 |
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| techsoldaten | anyone looking to download the meego chromium distro can get it here: Intel-load-balancer-618596327.us-east-1.elb.amazonaws.com | 00:56 |
| techsoldaten | erani, the chrome distro ;) | 00:57 |
| summel | the chromium download works ... only the chrome download soesnt | 00:57 |
| summel | :) | 00:57 |
| prjktdtnt | *sigh* all that trouble to download and can't really play with it, no b43 and not sure how to get a copy of it | 00:57 |
| techsoldaten | summel, try getting it from Intel-load-balancer-618596327.us-east-1.elb.amazonaws.com | 00:57 |
| techsoldaten | this should work, could use a guniea pig | 00:57 |
| summel | but whats the difference anyways? | 00:57 |
| techsoldaten | the load balancer went down | 00:57 |
| syncopated | chrome download works http://intel-load-balancer-618596327.us-east-1.elb.amazonaws.com/ | 00:57 |
| techsoldaten | looks like that;s all it was | 00:57 |
| summel | yes download works from there :) | 00:58 |
| summel | but i'd still like to know what the difference bitween chrome and chromium is | 00:58 |
| RussB | summel - Chromium is the code name for the Chrome browser for Linux and Mac. | 00:58 |
| summel | but there is a chrome for linux & mac os | 00:59 |
| summel | ... | 00:59 |
| DawnFoster | here's the difference: http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/how-tos-and-troubleshooting/developer-faq | 00:59 |
| techsoldaten | we are just waiting for dns to propigate to use the new load balancer | 00:59 |
| RussB | Oh, woops. I was wrong. | 00:59 |
| techsoldaten | I know whose fault this is, and would be happy to go deal with him if that makes anyone feel better | 00:59 |
| DawnFoster | oops, wait that's the OS faq | 00:59 |
| summel | DawnFoster: thats for chrome os and chromium os not chrome and chromium | 01:00 |
| summel | :D | 01:00 |
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| RussB | Ah, ha! | 01:01 |
| RussB | "The Chromium projects include Chromium and Chromium OS, the open-source projects behind the Google Chrome browser and Google Chrome OS" | 01:01 |
| RussB | They're saving "Chrome" as their TMed browser name. | 01:01 |
| RussB | Chromium is the project name. | 01:01 |
| summel | i know that chromium is open source but that is not the only difference is it? | 01:01 |
| DawnFoster | More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_%28web_browser%29#Differences_between_Chromium_and_Google_Chrome | 01:02 |
| summel | thx | 01:02 |
| techsoldaten | solarion, spyware | 01:02 |
| techsoldaten | solarion, spyware | 01:02 |
| DawnFoster | this is a better answer: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/ChromiumBrowserVsGoogleChrome | 01:02 |
| summel | ok so if i want auto update for meego i want to use the chrome image? :O | 01:02 |
| Nushio | i can't seem to download meego, download2.meego.com is not responding | 01:03 |
| slaine | updated my blog with broadcom instructions for meego 1.0 | 01:03 |
| DawnFoster | slaine, great thanks | 01:03 |
| slaine | http://slaine.org/_slaine/Meego_1.0_Wifi.html | 01:03 |
| DawnFoster | Nushio: we're working on it now | 01:03 |
| Nushio | DawnFoster: alright :) | 01:03 |
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| DawnFoster | You can still download it from here: http://intel-load-balancer-618596327.us-east-1.elb.amazonaws.com/ | 01:04 |
| Nushio | can this be installed on a 1gb usb stick to try it out? or do i have to burn a cd? | 01:04 |
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| DawnFoster | you can use a USB stick | 01:04 |
| Nushio | sweet | 01:04 |
| RussB | Is someone going to update the website? | 01:04 |
| RussB | The download links are all fscked. | 01:04 |
| DawnFoster | That's what we use to test it & you can boot from the USB stick | 01:04 |
| arjan | http://mirrors.kernel.org/meego/releases/1.0/netbook/images/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.img | 01:04 |
| DawnFoster | RussB: yes, we know. We're working on fixing it now | 01:04 |
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| RussB | Ok, thanks. :-) | 01:05 |
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| Goodjee | whats wrong with downloadserver2? | 01:05 |
| Nushio | Goodjee: i dunno, but i'm guessing it got hammered | 01:05 |
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| Nushio | from too many trying to download at once? | 01:06 |
| DawnFoster | defective load balancer | 01:06 |
| DawnFoster | I think | 01:06 |
| DawnFoster | They are working right now to fix it | 01:06 |
| Goodjee | i don't think that thera are soo many guys wanting to download meego | 01:06 |
| summel | uhm Intel-load-balancer-618596327.us-east-1.elb.amazonaws.com << this is reeaaally sloooow | 01:07 |
| Goodjee | and its down for hours | 01:07 |
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| summel | 68.3 kB/s | 01:07 |
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| pinchartl | what's the status of meego for the N900 ? | 01:07 |
| DawnFoster | Goodjee: actually, the servers have been hammered all day. | 01:07 |
| summel | pinchartl: no GUI but it works | 01:07 |
| pinchartl | summel: does "it works" mean I can just get a serial console ? :-) | 01:08 |
| Goodjee | i got a download startet about 6hours ago, bot after 80mbs it got canceled | 01:08 |
| summel | pinchartl: i gues... thats what it was like with 0.1 :) | 01:08 |
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| Nushio | link to a torrent would be welcome :P | 01:08 |
| pinchartl | :-) | 01:08 |
| summel | :( is there a better dowmload server for the chrome-version? | 01:08 |
| DawnFoster | I'd recommend downloading the chromium version now & upgrading to Chrome later | 01:09 |
| summel | how would i do that? | 01:09 |
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| pinchartl | is chrome the official meego browser ? | 01:09 |
| DawnFoster | summel: download the chromium version here: http://download3.meego.com/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.img | 01:10 |
| summel | i already have the chromium version :D | 01:11 |
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| DawnFoster | you should just be able to get chrome from google and install it? | 01:11 |
| summel | that easy? :O | 01:11 |
| DawnFoster | theoretically :) | 01:11 |
| summel | :D | 01:11 |
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| summel | but is meego better then moblin was? :o | 01:12 |
| Nushio | meego == moblin 2.2 | 01:12 |
| Nushio | that never was | 01:12 |
| summel | oh and does the isntaller work now? | 01:12 |
| summel | yes, but is it better? | 01:12 |
| summel | :D | 01:12 |
| Nushio | (someone slap me if i'm wrong) | 01:12 |
| Jartza | in theory, awk and sed are the only applications you'll ever need :) | 01:12 |
| prjktdtnt | love the meego interface, wish i could find the driver and firmware to compile against meego's kernel to run my b43 but can't even seem to find a source copy of it | 01:12 |
| summel | and screen and ssh | 01:12 |
| summel | :O | 01:12 |
| Nushio | prjktdtnt: it doesn't support broadcom? | 01:13 |
| * Nushio cancels the download | 01:13 | |
| summel | :o buy atheros already | 01:13 |
| Nushio | i seem to be hating dell more and more every day | 01:13 |
| summel | xD | 01:13 |
| Nushio | Summel: stuck with this broadcom until i sell my laptop, which i just got ~5 months ago | 01:13 |
| summel | replace the wifi card :) | 01:13 |
| Goodjee | or buy a stick | 01:14 |
| summel | i have an atheros mini pci express wifi card left | 01:14 |
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| Nushio | hmmm, i hadn't considered replacing the wifi card... | 01:14 |
| prjktdtnt | nushio: sadly not, the wired seems to have the right module but my mini 9 has the b43 card in it and no modules are compiled into the release | 01:14 |
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| summel | i replaced my atheros card with an atheros card that also works with mac os :) | 01:15 |
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| Nushio | prjktdtnt: yeah, a friend has a dell mini 9 and couldn't get it to work on fedora's moblin spin | 01:15 |
| Nushio | at least, not without rpmfusion + kmod-wl | 01:15 |
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| prjktdtnt | Nushio i can get it to work fine with jolicloud and hexxeh images | 01:15 |
| Goodjee | which social networks are supported at the moment? | 01:15 |
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| Goodjee | moblin only supported twitter which kinda sucked | 01:16 |
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| prjktdtnt | thought about trying it on my inspiron 1420 since i'm pretty sure they have drivers for this wireless card at least to play around a bit | 01:16 |
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| Nushio | Goodjee: 2.1 supports last.fm, twitter, myspace, digg | 01:17 |
| summel | :( | 01:17 |
| Nushio | not sure about meego thoug | 01:17 |
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| Goodjee | lastfm is nice | 01:17 |
| summel | i want digg jabber and identi.ca | 01:17 |
| summel | and sip | 01:17 |
| Nushio | i want facebook | 01:17 |
| summel | and google for email calendaer and contacts | 01:17 |
| summel | :o | 01:17 |
| * prjktdtnt agrees with nushio | 01:17 | |
| Wunschkind | Hey, is there any torrent for meego (I guess that would be legal!?)? The web dl is really slow for me... | 01:17 |
| Nushio | every malicious site on earth seems to have access to my facebook data | 01:17 |
| Nushio | why can't my os? :P | 01:17 |
| summel | lol | 01:17 |
| Goodjee | why not facebook? i thought it was that popular | 01:17 |
| summel | i dont like facebook | 01:18 |
| summel | :O | 01:18 |
| DawnFoster | keep in mind that this is a base reference build. | 01:18 |
| Nushio | Summel: me neither, but my friends seem to, so I joined :-/ | 01:18 |
| summel | :D | 01:18 |
| Goodjee | just configure it right | 01:18 |
| slaine | night folks | 01:18 |
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| DawnFoster | companies will take it, add a bunch of cool stuff and then ship it | 01:18 |
| summel | so only 6 hours uuntil the download is finished -_- | 01:18 |
| summel | DawnFoster: and that sucks :( | 01:18 |
| DawnFoster | it's a linux distro, so you should be able to add apps | 01:18 |
| summel | "oh look what my meego can do!" "oh... i wish my meego could do that ;_;" | 01:19 |
| DawnFoster | our image is big enough already without including everything :) | 01:19 |
| summel | no you probably cant because its closed source and drm'ed | 01:19 |
| summel | :( | 01:19 |
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| TSCHAKeee | nice to see the trolls are in top form. | 01:19 |
| TSCHAKeee | ... | 01:19 |
| DawnFoster | summel: install whatever you want on it. You have the freedom :) | 01:19 |
| Nushio | Summel: what's closed sourced and drm'd? | 01:19 |
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| summel | Nushio: nothing atm but i guess some stuff will be -_- | 01:20 |
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| Nushio | (besides an ubuntu release, oh snap!) | 01:20 |
| Goodjee | chrome is closed source | 01:20 |
| summel | i know | 01:20 |
| summel | but only parts of it | 01:20 |
| * TSCHAKeee shakes head.. this is where the idiotic FUD comes from. | 01:20 | |
| Goodjee | yay | 01:20 |
| Vladimiroff | I'm just going in, so sorry if this questions has been already asked but.... does now in MeeGo 1.0 the desktop envroitment is Qt-based? Because all apps are still the gnome(gtk+) apps... | 01:20 |
| summel | Vladimiroff: thats what i always hated on maemo and moblin :D | 01:21 |
| Nushio | Goodjee: i bet you say that android is closed source too? | 01:21 |
| summel | "oh look we have qt4 now! but we dont use it..." --- | 01:21 |
| summel | Nushio: in parts it is | 01:21 |
| summel | more then maemo | 01:21 |
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| Nushio | the gapps are closed sourced | 01:21 |
| Goodjee | dunno | 01:21 |
| TSCHAKeee | excuse me, why would it matter what toolkit is being used? | 01:21 |
| Vladimiroff | summel: yeah! thats why I'm disappointed... | 01:21 |
| Nushio | and some specific drivers are closed too (sadly) | 01:21 |
| Nushio | but the operative system isnt' | 01:21 |
| summel | TSCHAKeee: because we are qt fanboys :PO | 01:21 |
| TSCHAKeee | are you a developer? | 01:21 |
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| pinchartl | Nushio: isn't the proprietary VM closed source (and undocumented) too ? | 01:22 |
| Vladimiroff | is there full Qt-zation planned or they just gave us the qt libs so we could port our qt apps for it? | 01:22 |
| TSCHAKeee | summel, are you a developer? | 01:22 |
| summel | im trying to be :D | 01:22 |
| TSCHAKeee | cute... | 01:22 |
| Vladimiroff | and still...does the DE is still that Clutter thing...written with gtk+? | 01:22 |
| Nushio | pinchartl: dalvik? i guess you're right, i forgot about that /insignificant/ part | 01:22 |
| summel | Vladimiroff: thats how it is on maemo atm :( | 01:22 |
| TSCHAKeee | Vladimiroff, what's wrong with Clutter? | 01:22 |
| TSCHAKeee | Vladimiroff, it's a very capable canvas toolkit. | 01:22 |
| Vladimiroff | TSCHAKeee: nothing. I've just expected Qt-based envroitment | 01:22 |
| summel | clutter is not qt...t hats what wrong with it :PÜ | 01:22 |
| * TSCHAKeee rolls eyes | 01:22 | |
| summel | xD | 01:23 |
| Vladimiroff | TSCHAKeee: can't say it better than summel :D | 01:23 |
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| summel | oh now my download finished time is gone up to 8 hours \o/ | 01:23 |
| Vladimiroff | like design, effects etc...I like it. but I was expecting Qt at all. | 01:23 |
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| Vladimiroff | Does such a thing planned at all? | 01:23 |
| TSCHAKeee | Vladimiroff, too early to say. | 01:24 |
| TSCHAKeee | things are just getting started | 01:24 |
| summel | i thought it would be all qt from the beginning :( | 01:24 |
| pinchartl | summel: the Qt code base will probably grow over time | 01:24 |
| TSCHAKeee | summel, wow, you must think that the dev team are a bunch of superhuman people? | 01:24 |
| Wunschkind | summel: That's why I was asking for a torrent. :S | 01:24 |
| pinchartl | a full Qt environment would have taken a long time to devel | 01:24 |
| pinchartl | is there a KDE version for meego ? :-) | 01:24 |
| TSCHAKeee | summel, i mean, considering the project was only ANNOUNCED in February?! | 01:24 |
| summel | TSCHAKeee: no, i think most developers need tpo be shot :P | 01:24 |
| pinchartl | s/devel/develop/ | 01:24 |
| summel | TSCHAKeee: moblin is older then fevruary | 01:25 |
| zaheerm | has someone got an md5sum of the meego 1.0 chromium download? | 01:25 |
| summel | and meego is nearly completely moblin as far as i can tell from the screenshots | 01:25 |
| summel | :D | 01:25 |
| TSCHAKeee | summel, now, you're just talking to piss people off. | 01:25 |
| * TSCHAKeee puts the idiots on ignore. | 01:25 | |
| zaheerm | summel, the netbook ux is of course | 01:25 |
| summel | \o/ | 01:25 |
| Vladimiroff | I think we gone too far in GTK+ vs. Qt thing... | 01:26 |
| * Vladimiroff rolls eyes... | 01:26 | |
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| Nushio | Vladimiroff: i agree, java swing ftw! | 01:27 |
| * Nushio ducks | 01:27 | |
| summel | omg | 01:27 |
| summel | :D | 01:27 |
| Vladimiroff | lol | 01:27 |
| Goodjee | he's an expert :D | 01:28 |
| summel | 10 hours now :) | 01:28 |
| pinchartl | Vladimiroff: GTK+ vs. Qt is for a big part a matter of personal preferences. I don't expect developers with 10 years of GTK+ experience to switch to Qt all of a sudden, and I don't expect the opposite either | 01:28 |
| Nushio | Summel: i'll be done in 18 minutes :P | 01:28 |
| summel | Nushio: with the chrome image? | 01:28 |
| pinchartl | and I'm actually quite happy there's competition in the GUI toolkits space | 01:28 |
| Nushio | Summel: chromium, i've always hated chrome :P | 01:28 |
| Vladimiroff | pinchartl: me too. But that was the thing that Nokia and Intel were saying | 01:28 |
| summel | i already have the chromium image | 01:28 |
| summel | :P | 01:28 |
| summel | Vladimiroff: exactly | 01:29 |
| pinchartl | Vladimiroff: as I've said, I expect the Qt codebase in meego to grow slowly over time | 01:29 |
| summel | also why did nokia buy trolltech when they are not using qt? :( | 01:29 |
| pinchartl | Vladimiroff: especially for the handheld UI | 01:29 |
| Vladimiroff | we are going to Qt. It is awesome, and it's way better than gtk+. now we are presenting you our great OS with Qt included, but...you know...gtk+ is not bad, too...we prefer to use it... | 01:29 |
| pinchartl | meego is a joint project | 01:29 |
| pinchartl | maemo + moblin | 01:29 |
| pinchartl | maemo has its roots in the handheld markets | 01:30 |
| pinchartl | and moblin in the netbook markets | 01:30 |
| summel | and im sorry but imho the one moblin release there was sucked :P it was nice but it sucked... | 01:30 |
| pinchartl | maemo6 will be using Qt | 01:30 |
| summel | kinda hard to explain | 01:30 |
| pinchartl | and moblin used GTK+ | 01:30 |
| summel | maemo 6 = meego | 01:30 |
| pinchartl | so meego uses both toolkits | 01:30 |
| Vladimiroff | pinchartl: maemo6 will be MeeGo :) | 01:30 |
| Nushio | moblin 2.2 == meego | 01:30 |
| summel | maemo already uses gtk and qt | 01:30 |
| pinchartl | depending on which markets it will be used for | 01:30 |
| Vladimiroff | pinchartl: no. meego uses only GTK+ and just has qt included, but still unused | 01:30 |
| pinchartl | Vladimiroff: maemo6 will be harmattan | 01:31 |
| summel | and harmattan will be meego | 01:31 |
| Nushio | how's "maemo" pronounced? (/me not a native english speaker) | 01:31 |
| * TSCHAK looks at the sheer amount of "talking out one's ass" contained in the last 30 or so lines... wow. | 01:31 | |
| Vladimiroff | pinchartl: at the last Nokia conferention out here they said, that next maemo release will be Meego ;) | 01:31 |
| Vladimiroff | however...I'm disappointed, crying out alone in the rain and please for full Qt-ized DE for netbooks... someone call Chuck Norris, please :D | 01:32 |
| summel | TSCHAKeee: i thought you torned on your ignore switch? oO | 01:32 |
| summel | Vladimiroff: ++ | 01:32 |
| TSCHAK | not on this box | 01:32 |
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| pinchart1 | sorry about that | 01:34 |
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| Andy80 | anyone knows how to change the keyboard layout in MeeGo 1.0 without changing all the system language? | 01:37 |
| summel | loadkeys de | 01:37 |
| summel | for german keyboard | 01:37 |
| Andy80 | ehm.... not difficoult, ok... but... no way to do this in Settings? | 01:37 |
| Goodjee | das ist einfach :D | 01:37 |
| summel | Goodjee: ja ^^ | 01:37 |
| summel | Andy80: hmm i dont know i left my netbook at home and had no chance to try meego yet :/ | 01:38 |
| Goodjee | in moblin there was an option, if i remember it correctly | 01:38 |
| Andy80 | summel: note, I didn't install it yet, I ran it from the live SD... does it change in any way once installed? | 01:38 |
| Goodjee | nope | 01:39 |
| Vladimiroff | Andy80: nope, I think. I've searched for the damn layout for more than half hour.... | 01:39 |
| summel | i dont think it will cachange ^^ | 01:39 |
| Andy80 | oh :\ | 01:39 |
| Vladimiroff | there are just basic keyboards settings from the GNOME(damn it) settings app | 01:39 |
| DawnFoster | It would be great if you could file it as a bug http://bugs.meego.com/ | 01:39 |
| Vladimiroff | good night. I'm going to search for Chuck Norris to fix this mess | 01:39 |
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| DawnFoster | there should be a way to set the keyboard without changing the language | 01:40 |
| maelcum | does anybody have a working download link or a torrent for the 1.0 netbook images? | 01:40 |
| Andy80 | DawnFoster: I'll do it, I wanted to be sure it was a bug before submitting it | 01:40 |
| DawnFoster | If no one can find it, I'd call that a bug :) | 01:40 |
| Goodjee | better call it missing feature :D | 01:40 |
| Andy80 | I'd like to keep the language in english, because if for example I get an error, you wouldn't be happy to see the error message in Italian language :) | 01:40 |
| DawnFoster | I suspect it isn't there, but if it is, it's buried so deep no one can find it | 01:40 |
| maelcum | download2.meego.com is down... | 01:40 |
| Nushio | does meego still launch one "zone"/workspace per app? | 01:40 |
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| Nushio | or can it finally display more than one application per window? | 01:41 |
| DawnFoster | yes, we are having issues with the downloads | 01:41 |
| Goodjee | u r not the first :D | 01:41 |
| DawnFoster | I can tell you that several people are working hard to get it back up | 01:41 |
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| Robot101 | DawnFoster: there's a mirror on meego.collabora.co.uk | 01:41 |
| Robot101 | (fixed now, was 403ing) | 01:41 |
| Robot101 | DawnFoster: can we get it linked off the website or something? | 01:42 |
| Andy80 | and... another question before submitting the bug (maybe another missing feature?) in Ubuntu it's pretty easy to setup a mobile connection with my N900: I just plug the USB cable, select "Pc Suite" on my phone and the connection wizard appears. I couldn't find any similar way in MeeGo. How can I do it? | 01:42 |
| summel | Robot101: but also only chromium images :/ | 01:42 |
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| Goodjee | but only chromium | 01:42 |
| Robot101 | summel: yeah, we can't redistribute the chrome images, magic google pixie dust etc :/ | 01:42 |
| DawnFoster | andy80: I'm not sure about that one - anyone from Nokia here to answer it? | 01:42 |
| summel | my chrome download is now a t 15 hours ;_; | 01:42 |
| maelcum | Robot101: nice, that one seems to work. | 01:43 |
| Goodjee | robot101 what about torrents, impossible 2? | 01:43 |
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| Robot101 | I use chromium on my desktop though, is it really that different? | 01:43 |
| Andy80 | DawnFoster: I don't think it's a N900 problem.... I think it's missing the support for mobile connections :\ | 01:43 |
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| Robot101 | Goodjee: our ISP gave us a challenge to cause them to notice | 01:43 |
| DawnFoster | right, but I'm thinking maybe someone from Nokia has tried this? | 01:43 |
| Robot101 | lets prove him wrong ... :P | 01:43 |
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| summel | Robot101: i dont know if theres adifference in meego but on the desktop there is | 01:44 |
| prjktdtnt | so got it running on my inspiron 1420, seems like all devices are working actually | 01:44 |
| Andy80 | DawnFoster: I think they're all on vacation after the PR 1.2 release :D | 01:44 |
| summel | so i guess the chrome version on meego also can display h.264 or whatever and the chromium version cant? | 01:44 |
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| Robot101 | summel: you can probably add chrome onto a chromium image later somehow, no? | 01:45 |
| summel | i only use bluetooth to connect my pc over the n900 with the web :o | 01:45 |
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| summel | Robot101: i'm not sure but i will try later | 01:45 |
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| Andy80 | summel: I don't have BT on my EeePC 1005PE | 01:45 |
| summel | ah i see | 01:45 |
| summel | i could try later but as i already said i dont have my netbook with me atm | 01:46 |
| Andy80 | summel: and USB cable is pretty fine for me, because I can recharge my phone a bit while using it :) | 01:46 |
| summel | true | 01:46 |
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| Andy80 | summel: which netbook do you have? | 01:46 |
| th0br0 | bye | 01:46 |
| summel | bluetooth AND 3G is quite power consuming :D | 01:46 |
| summel | samsung nc10 | 01:46 |
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| summel | butit has been ouit of use since i got my mbp :D | 01:47 |
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| summel | 16 hours now ;_; | 01:47 |
| SeH_ | hi does meego boot on x86? | 01:47 |
| Andy80 | what is mbp? | 01:47 |
| Goodjee | waiting for downloads if fun ;-) | 01:47 |
| summel | macbook pro | 01:48 |
| summel | Goodjee: not that long... i have 10Gb/s ;_; | 01:48 |
| Goodjee | which screensize? | 01:48 |
| Andy80 | oh... now that I remember... there are also some bugs related to Fn keys :\ I should submit them too | 01:48 |
| summel | 10" or 10.1" | 01:48 |
| summel | or do you mean the mbp? :D | 01:48 |
| Goodjee | standleitung? | 01:48 |
| Goodjee | mbp | 01:48 |
| summel | kinda... i'm at the university :D | 01:48 |
| summel | the mbp has 15" | 01:48 |
| Goodjee | thought so | 01:49 |
| summel | xD | 01:49 |
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| Goodjee | well, you'll never be able to use them :D | 01:49 |
| summel | not from amazon appareantly xD | 01:49 |
| mrshaver | We are still working out issues with our infrastructure for the MeeGo image with the Chrome browser | 01:50 |
| Robot101 | mrshaver: can collabora mirror the chrome images too somehow? | 01:51 |
| summel | no thats a license issue | 01:51 |
| summel | i guess | 01:51 |
| mrshaver | Robot101: sorry, but the download has to pass through the EULA | 01:51 |
| mrshaver | that is causing the issue partially | 01:52 |
| Robot101 | mrshaver: right, but could we host the eula too? I mean, just tell us what we need to put on our servers and we can sort it | 01:52 |
| Andy80 | I donwloaded the Chromium version :P | 01:52 |
| Andy80 | I can always install Chrome later | 01:52 |
| Goodjee | u r so cool | 01:52 |
| Robot101 | mrshaver: alternatively, publishing some clear instructions on how to add chrome later and putting the chromium image first might help? | 01:52 |
| summel | i guess i will download the chrome image tomorrow | 01:53 |
| mrshaver | Robot101: thanks, good idea and I'll let you know | 01:53 |
| Robot101 | mrshaver: sure, let us know if we can help at all | 01:53 |
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| Goodjee | how can a small script like accept eula cause such huge trouble? | 01:54 |
| summel | i guess you dont get the same download link everone else gets when you accept the eula | 01:56 |
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| summel | so the script would then at least have to create a link to the real file for every user who accepts the eula | 01:56 |
| Goodjee | a very basic solution would be redirecting everyone trying to access the file via .htaccess to an eulaacceptance page and everyone pushing the button to file.img?eulaaccepted=1 | 01:58 |
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| summel | maybe i dont know if that is enough :) | 01:58 |
| Goodjee | :D | 01:58 |
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| Goodjee | probaply it could be improved :D | 01:58 |
| summel | i dont know how the law is in the us on these things but i guess it is pretty stupid :P | 01:59 |
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| RussB | Anyone get MeeGo running under VirtualBox? I can't seem to get the .img to boot... | 02:01 |
| RussB | (I mounted it as a floppy) | 02:01 |
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| koupsaa | no mp3 | 02:02 |
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| TenPhil | Hey, does anyone have an idea of getting meego to work in VirtualBox? | 02:03 |
| Goodjee | but the eulathing could be done using modrewrite | 02:04 |
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| RussB | I was just asking that TenPhil... | 02:05 |
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| RussB | I mounted the .img as a Floppy, but it's not happy. | 02:05 |
| RussB | I wonder if converting the .img into an .iso would be better? | 02:06 |
| summel | mount it as cdrom | 02:06 |
| RussB | Oh, I didn't know that was possible. | 02:06 |
| Goodjee | i'm having an oral exam tomorrow, so i'll better go to bed. maybe the download works tomorrow. | 02:06 |
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| summel | nite + good luck ^^ | 02:08 |
| RussB | Thanks! | 02:08 |
| TenPhil | btw, the mount as cdrom does not work either. | 02:08 |
| summel | what error do you get? | 02:08 |
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| TenPhil | you get to install + the setup dialog, after that it stops. black screen | 02:09 |
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| summel | is it the latest vmware version? | 02:09 |
| RussB | mount -t iso9660 -o loop /home/russell/Downloads/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.img /media/meego/ | 02:09 |
| RussB | Does that look right? (I'm on Ubuntu) | 02:09 |
| summel | or are you still using sun vmware? ;:D | 02:09 |
| summel | you dont have to mount the image on ubuntu mount it in the vm | 02:10 |
| summel | configure your vm and add the .img as the cdrom drive | 02:10 |
| RussB | Ahhhh.. :-) | 02:10 |
| RussB | Let me try that. | 02:10 |
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| glinpus | fwiw, I understand meego, like moblin will be less than usable in a vm | 02:11 |
| summel | i guess so ^^ | 02:11 |
| glinpus | I did a lot of work with moblin in vm's, but you can't use the gui | 02:11 |
| Andy80 | DawnFoster, summel : I've got an idea... since I've only tried the "live" image I didn't see any "login" window... maybe during thr login you can change keyboard and language just like in GDM? | 02:12 |
| summel | there is no login window afaik | 02:12 |
| Andy80 | what O_o ? | 02:12 |
| summel | which sucks, yes :D | 02:12 |
| summel | but hey meego will have facebook support probably, so thats nothing to worry about ;) | 02:12 |
| RussB | Hey, I got it to give me the boot screen. But then it doesn't actually run. | 02:12 |
| Andy80 | ok... no way for me to ise that than :\ | 02:12 |
| summel | RussB: error message? | 02:13 |
| DawnFoster | arjan: It is possible to change to an italian keyboard while leaving the language as english? | 02:13 |
| Andy80 | summel: belive me.... the MeeGo UI is really impressive... but all those missing are not helping me to switch from ubuntu-nbr to meego :\ | 02:13 |
| summel | DawnFoster: it should work with "loadkeys it" | 02:13 |
| RussB | Nothing happens when I choose "Boot MeeGo" - it just stalls. | 02:14 |
| summel | Andy80: i dont find it impressive :( too many features are missing imho | 02:14 |
| summel | or at least were missing in moblin | 02:14 |
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| Andy80 | summel: I mean... there are many things that I like... for example the auto-hiding top panel, the UI effects, the home layout ecc.... | 02:14 |
| summel | yes i feel the same way | 02:15 |
| summel | it has a great potential it just doesnt feel right | 02:15 |
| summel | :D | 02:15 |
| RussB | This kernel requires the following features... | 02:15 |
| RussB | pae | 02:15 |
| summel | enable pae then :) | 02:15 |
| summel | also in the vm settings | 02:15 |
| RussB | :-D | 02:16 |
| RussB | You're thinking, "Wasn't I going to bed?" aren't you? | 02:16 |
| summel | no :P | 02:16 |
| summel | im still watching heroes :) | 02:16 |
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| Andy80 | summel: what is the place where MeeGo features are discussed? I mean.... how could I ask, for example, to include a login prompt or a keyboard layout settings ecc... ? | 02:17 |
| summel | probably write a bugreport? | 02:17 |
| summel | i mean it is a bug if somebody else can just use your pc and access all your files without having anything to prevent that? | 02:18 |
| DawnFoster | you can start the discussions in the meego-dev mailing list for anything big that requires some discussion | 02:18 |
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| Andy80 | yes... I can but.... how happen that someone wake up a morning and says: oh, let's remove the login feature! | 02:18 |
| Andy80 | O_o | 02:18 |
| DawnFoster | or to check and make sure that it is a bug | 02:18 |
| summel | i dont know :D | 02:18 |
| summel | but moblin also had no login screen | 02:18 |
| DawnFoster | for obvious bugs, just file them in bugzilla | 02:18 |
| summel | i dont know if i can even change the username? | 02:19 |
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| RussB | Hmm... same result as TenPhil. It's booting, but doesn't get far before the screen turns black and stays that way. | 02:21 |
| koupsaa | nice gadget at toolbars | 02:22 |
| TenPhil | dang, going to bed now. will be back tomorrow, hopefully with some positive results. Will be posted to forums, making a request post now. | 02:24 |
| RussB | Ahh, wait -the install is working. | 02:25 |
| RussB | The live boot doesn't work, but I can go through the install wizard. | 02:25 |
| koupsaa | first auto submit bug report :) | 02:25 |
| TenPhil | yes, that should work, but the live boot does not | 02:25 |
| TenPhil | but you won't get past the setupscreen on the first startup | 02:26 |
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| koupsaa | how to make/write gadget ? | 02:27 |
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| TenPhil | could it be down to lack of support for btrfs in VB? | 02:32 |
| summel | no the filesystem does not matter | 02:32 |
| glinpus | pretty sure it's the heavy use of gl | 02:32 |
| summel | maybe you are on an amd cpu? or your virtualbox is too old? | 02:32 |
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| TenPhil | on intel 86_64 and VB 3.1.6 | 02:33 |
| summel | hmmm dunno about 64bit... | 02:33 |
| summel | maybe that could be the problem? | 02:33 |
| Deiz | Duplicated the issue on AMD x86-64, VB 3.2.0 | 02:33 |
| summel | Deiz: amd should never work afaik because meego is intel only (and in this case atom only) | 02:34 |
| TenPhil | ok, anyone who can test it in a 32bit? | 02:34 |
| summel | im on amd 64bit :/ | 02:34 |
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| TenPhil | RussB: what system are you on? | 02:35 |
| RussB | Okay, it installed... and then won't boot. :-) | 02:35 |
| RussB | Ubuntu 10.4 | 02:36 |
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| TenPhil | processor and vb version? | 02:36 |
| RussB | Using Sun's VirtualBox | 02:36 |
| summel | sun = there is a newer version | 02:36 |
| TenPhil | you running 64/32? | 02:36 |
| summel | :P | 02:36 |
| RussB | 3.012 | 02:36 |
| summel | newest version is from oracle :D | 02:37 |
| RussB | rather 3.0.12 r54 etct. etc. | 02:37 |
| RussB | Ahhh... Do I have to give them my first unborn child? Pay tech support for every MIPS about 1,000,000 ? | 02:37 |
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| summel | ? | 02:37 |
| RussB | Joking. | 02:37 |
| RussB | Oracle == Evil. | 02:37 |
| RussB | Downloading now... | 02:38 |
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| summel | well they own sun now :/ | 02:38 |
| RussB | Exactly. | 02:39 |
| TenPhil | RussB: is your system 32 or 64bit? trying to see if there are any problems with 64vs32bit systems. | 02:39 |
| RussB | Oh, sorry - it's 32 bit. Dual Core Sony lappy. | 02:39 |
| summel | hmmm sttrange | 02:39 |
| Deiz | Whoops. | 02:40 |
| Deiz | Meant Intel. Need more coffee. | 02:40 |
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| Deiz | Going to give the CD a try on a 32-bit system | 02:41 |
| TenPhil | problem posted on meego forum. | 02:42 |
| Deiz | Link? | 02:43 |
| TenPhil | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=1589#post1589 | 02:43 |
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| Votan | is there a . kernel available ? I built an X-M G2 into my netbook and want to make use of trim to keep the wear-level down ?. | 02:43 |
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| Votan | .34 kernel I mean | 02:48 |
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| RussB | She's booting... (I think, I see wallpaper) | 02:49 |
| TenPhil | not enought info? | 02:49 |
| TenPhil | yes that you should. | 02:49 |
| TenPhil | have you gotten past the choice of keyboard and UTC? | 02:49 |
| markc | dumb question, how do I manually start/stop network connections from a shell? | 02:49 |
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| markc | I've never used a rpm based system before | 02:50 |
| hcarrega | TenPhil | 02:50 |
| RussB | Yep, there now. Black screen... | 02:50 |
| markc | and I've spent at least an hour rtfg | 02:50 |
| hcarrega | same problem in virtualbox macpro | 02:50 |
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| hcarrega | cant boot | 02:51 |
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| hcarrega | cant install | 02:51 |
| RussB | TenPhil Looks like it's hosed. | 02:51 |
| RussB | Ok, gotta run to pick up my kid. Thanks for the help all! | 02:52 |
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| markc | anyone with a clue how to start/stop network connections from a shell in rpm/redhat/meego systems? | 02:53 |
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| markc | like, the equiv of "ifup wlan0" or "/etc/init.d/network start" on a debian system? | 02:54 |
| glinpus | well, ifup works on plenty of systems | 02:54 |
| glinpus | as well as the init method | 02:55 |
| glinpus | haven't booted meego yet though, moblin used conman | 02:55 |
| DawnFoster | meego uses connman, too | 02:56 |
| markc | what might be the typical init method... example? | 02:57 |
| TenPhil | g'night all. back tm. | 02:58 |
| markc | ah, connman, with 2 nn's... I was searching for conman at one point | 02:58 |
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| glinpus | my bad, misspelled | 02:58 |
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| markc | oh ... still, what is the typcial way to start/stop services on meego? | 02:58 |
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| markc | I've got a /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-wlan0 file but I don't know how to reactivate the network? | 03:01 |
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| glinpus | ifup wlan0 | 03:03 |
| glinpus | is there no ifup command? | 03:03 |
| bef0rd | glinpus, try /sbin/ifup | 03:04 |
| markc | no, I just chrooted into meego as root and did a which ifup and nothing | 03:04 |
| markc | no, /sbin/ifup | 03:04 |
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| maelcum | i can't get the netbook image to boot on virtualbox personal (nonfree) 3.2. does it need any special configuration? fwiw, enabling the io-apic made it go further than just the bootloader screen. | 03:04 |
| bef0rd | maelcum, it requires 3D acceleration | 03:05 |
| maelcum | interesting, and good that vbox can actually do that... thanks. | 03:05 |
| markc | what about /sbin/sysctl ... would that be the kind of thing to re/start a network? | 03:06 |
| maelcum | now i get a cursor (text mode) in the upper left corner instead of a black screen ^^ | 03:08 |
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| Deiz | maelcum: Quite a few of us are running into that. | 03:08 |
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| maelcum | Deiz: thx, good to know. this is where i wait for somebody else to (find out how to) fix it. | 03:09 |
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| zaheerm | the bug tracker doesn't have netbook user experience.... | 03:20 |
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| DawnFoster | zaheerm. It is there - maybe we have a permissions issue? | 03:21 |
| DawnFoster | Can you get here? http://bugs.meego.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Netbook%20User%20Experience | 03:21 |
| zaheerm | DawnFoster, Sorry, either the product Netbook User Experience does not exist or you aren't authorized to enter a bug into it. | 03:22 |
| zaheerm | i want to file some bugs :) | 03:22 |
| DawnFoster | ah, that sounds like a bug :) | 03:22 |
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| zaheerm | i filed a bug with bugs about lack of it | 03:22 |
| zaheerm | http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2442 | 03:22 |
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| DawnFoster | thanks - it should be fixed shortly | 03:23 |
| zaheerm | i'll hold off the bugs i want to file until that oneis solved, saves work for the triager :) | 03:23 |
| DawnFoster | we're removing access control for that | 03:23 |
| DawnFoster | thanks for letting us know | 03:23 |
| zaheerm | np | 03:23 |
| zaheerm | i should really get to sleep | 03:23 |
| zaheerm | tsg is at the wrong time for me, i play football every wednesday from 8pm to 9pm british time (exact time of tsg meeting) | 03:24 |
| wepabong | hi there, is there any torrent of meego release? | 03:25 |
| zaheerm | installed meego 1.0 on my netbook, and am loving the ui | 03:25 |
| zaheerm | wepabong, the chromium version seems fast to download and there are mirrors around also | 03:25 |
| bef0rd | I don't get this, meego seems to still use clutter/gtk based ui (according to screenshots), but the recommended toolkit to develop is Qt? | 03:26 |
| zaheerm | bef0rd, apps yes it is recommended to use qt | 03:26 |
| zaheerm | bef0rd, the meego desktop for netbooks is written using gtk+/clutter, yes but that shouldn't stop you from writing apps with qt.. qt 4.6.2 is installed | 03:27 |
| wepabong | zaheerm: yes, i am downloading now | 03:27 |
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| wepabong | zaheerm: is there any plan to port gtk+/clutter user interface to qt totaly or partial? | 03:29 |
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| zaheerm | wepabong, no idea, but it doesn't matter too much does it? | 03:30 |
| lcuk | there is no point in reinventing the wheel, but if a replacement strong qt app comes along then its not a difficult choice :P | 03:30 |
| zaheerm | the gtk+/clutter desktop looks and works pretty sweet | 03:30 |
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| wepabong | zaheerm: yes, i can see that, just a question, not alarm ^_^ | 03:32 |
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| zaheerm | wepabong, for touch devices you will probably see different UIs for the platform, most likely based on qt | 03:33 |
| bef0rd | zaheerm, I know, I actually prefer my GTK desktop, but, I don't believe in 'overloading' atom machines with two differents toolkits, also noting that current media player is mono based | 03:33 |
| zaheerm | bef0rd, runs much faster than the windows 7 that was pre-installed | 03:34 |
| lcuk | lol @ overloading atoms, the n900 has gtk and qt and sdl and edje and a whole host of other things :P | 03:34 |
| zaheerm | lcuk, :) | 03:35 |
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| javispedro | and it works very well thank you. | 03:38 |
| javispedro | so for future "mobile" operating systems please consider additional third-party toolkits, like | 03:38 |
| javispedro | tcl. | 03:38 |
| javispedro | /tk. | 03:38 |
| javispedro | its been a while. | 03:38 |
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| wepabong | i am writting an article about meego, in spanish (but i will try to traduce), i really like this O.S | 03:39 |
| javispedro | *translate. | 03:39 |
| lcuk | we are installing W next: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W_Window_System | 03:40 |
| Jartza | I've lost the power-adapter of my netbook and I washed my N900, any luck trying out netbook ux with virtualbox? :) | 03:40 |
| lcuk | hah i just spotted Eero Tamminen made a window manager in the past :) | 03:40 |
| javispedro | heh | 03:40 |
| wepabong | err translate | 03:41 |
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| bef0rd | javispedro, hehe, do you see what I mean right? I am no gtk/qt/mono basher, but I dont believe into mixing everything is okay :P | 03:42 |
| syncopated | i can download meego w/ chrome from meego.com | 03:42 |
| syncopated | looks like everything is working over there | 03:42 |
| lcuk | bef0rd, x11 is what underpins that choice and it happens now on your desktop bef0rd | 03:43 |
| bef0rd | lcuk, I know what X11 is, thanks. | 03:43 |
| lcuk | i mean the mixing | 03:44 |
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| Jartza | well ok, the image boots up on virtualbox, though X doesn't start :) | 03:49 |
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| maelcum | seme here | 03:52 |
| maelcum | same | 03:52 |
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| mrshaver | We have sorted out the issues with the download of the MeeGo v1.0 Netbook image that includes the Chrome browser. You should now be able to download this image after accepting the EULA from http://download5.meego.com. | 04:02 |
| mrshaver | Please report any issues with this download to this channel or the meego-dev@meego.com mailing list. | 04:03 |
| mrshaver | Thanks! | 04:03 |
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| tmzt | mrshaver: what kind of integration is there between chrome and meego? | 04:07 |
| mrshaver | tmzt: Chrome is just the browser if you decide to download that particular image, the other option is the Chromium browser that does not require accepting the terms of the Google EULA | 04:08 |
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| tmzt | mrshaver: so none of the chrome os integration is there? | 04:10 |
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| mrshaver | tmzt: I don't believe so | 04:11 |
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| SeH_ | can meego run on x86? | 04:17 |
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| maelcum | SeH_: yes. there is a netbook image, and netbooks usually run atom cpus. | 04:19 |
| SeH_ | i mean how can i test it on a desktop? | 04:19 |
| maelcum | intel would be kind of interested to make it work on x86 ;) | 04:19 |
| maelcum | easiest with a virtual machine, but that doesn't seem to work currently. you can also boot the live cd image. | 04:19 |
| SeH_ | the live cd image is labeled for netbooks. if it can work on desktop x86 then it could also say that next to the download link | 04:20 |
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| maelcum | a pc compatible is a pc compatible, independent of form factor. | 04:22 |
| SeH_ | yes so the download link isnt labeled specific enough | 04:22 |
| SeH_ | thats all im suggesting | 04:22 |
| SeH_ | ill boot it thanks | 04:22 |
| bef0rd | if you have a VGA with no 3D support on vanilla kernel, it probably wont work | 04:23 |
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| Blaher | Are there any demo videos for Mego 1.0? | 05:22 |
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| TSCHAKeee | make one. | 05:25 |
| * microlith shoves MeeGo on to his USB key | 05:25 | |
| * TSCHAKeee now in meego... | 05:25 | |
| TSCHAKeee | it's usable, i'm curious as to why the kernel package is constantly crashing | 05:26 |
| TSCHAKeee | i mean constantly | 05:26 |
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| TSCHAKeee | looks like it's bluetooth | 05:27 |
| TSCHAKeee | ugh | 05:27 |
| TSCHAKeee | okay | 05:27 |
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| berserke1 | how about http://meego.com/downloads/releases/netbook look and feel release? | 05:28 |
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| happyblob | has anyone here had any luck manually installing MeeGo to a specific partition? It always just seems to hang on 'installing bootloader' for me :-( | 05:31 |
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| microlith | this is pretty slick | 05:36 |
| pupnik_ | wut | 05:37 |
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| TSCHAKeee | is upnp support not in hornsey anymore? | 05:53 |
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| acurrie_ | hey, can anybody help me out with a quick terminal question? | 06:12 |
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| acurrie_ | i've got an eeepc 901, the one with two ssds | 06:15 |
| acurrie_ | dev/sdb won't mount, because of some permissions issue | 06:16 |
| acurrie_ | can someone please give me the proper syntax to change the permissions via cli? | 06:16 |
| acurrie_ | as in sudo chown something or other? | 06:16 |
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| it-s_ | hi | 06:37 |
| it-s_ | I'm trying to put MeeGo 1.0 on my ancient EeePC 2G | 06:37 |
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| it-s_ | but it wouldn't install, telling me that MeeGo requires 3GB to install | 06:38 |
| it-s_ | can I somehow circumvent this error and install anyway? | 06:38 |
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| it-s_ | ? | 06:46 |
| it-s_ | nobody home? | 06:46 |
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| it-s_ | *sigh* | 06:50 |
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| microlith | is there a guide anywhere for building MeeGo from the ground up? | 07:28 |
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| wepabong | i am trying to install meego 1.0 on my acer aspire one, it install, but when finish and restart, it crash, just black screen, not keyboard, anything, i have a AAO 15' | 07:32 |
| wepabong | AAO 150 | 07:32 |
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| wepabong | any experiences with AAO 150? | 08:06 |
| microlith | not I | 08:08 |
| microlith | I'm using an AAO ZG5 (8.9") | 08:08 |
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| discovering | hi everyone | 08:51 |
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| discovering | i'm here to discover the channel, just to know what is discussed | 08:52 |
| discovering | not a lot of time :p | 08:53 |
| discovering | any technical discussions on going ? | 08:53 |
| Surfa | sometimes, not very often | 08:54 |
| discovering | ok thanks for your answer | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | depending on your topic, there might be more technical channels | 08:54 |
| discovering | ok it was my aim: e. g. to see what is discussed here, so more questions than answers i guess :/ | 08:55 |
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| Stskeeps | for example ARM team work doesn't go on in here, or n900 team work | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | we have our own channel for that | 08:56 |
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| discovering | ok i understand, but as i'm a newbie on irc, i will try to find myself the suitable channel | 08:56 |
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| discovering | don't want just to talk for nothing :p (what i'm doing in fact sorry ;) | 08:57 |
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| microlith | i so hope meego doesn't have updates that suddenly require new packages | 08:58 |
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| discovering | thanks Surfa, Stskeeps and all have a nice start/beginning of days, cheers ;) | 09:00 |
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| hoangchaunguyen | hi all | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | morning | 09:34 |
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| CLaX0 | Hi all, got a quick question | 09:38 |
| CLaX0 | concerning the SDK | 09:39 |
| CLaX0 | What kind of an address is this: http://sdk.download.location/meego-sdk-0524.tar.gz | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | they're working on SDK still | 09:41 |
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| CLaX0 | Weren't they supposed to release it some time this month? | 09:43 |
| CLaX0 | Like this week? | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | well, 1.0 and netbook UX was promised | 09:43 |
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| CLaX0 | I see | 09:43 |
| CLaX0 | Thanks | 09:43 |
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| hoangchaunguyen | UX or UI | 09:52 |
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| hoangchaunguyen | and what does UX mean? sorry for my stupid question | 09:53 |
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| manjiri | Any body has any idea how one can go about using harmattan UI framework? I have compiled and installed libdui and duitheme in my ubuntu system. I created a hello world program that creates a window and should show some text. A window is created but no text and a lot of error messages on the console. Do I need to include any more Harmattan UI components for this to work? | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | see if you can get widgets gallery working, i gues | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | s | 10:03 |
| manjiri | It doesnt work | 10:03 |
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| markc | is pidgin the only IRC client available with meego (once installed)? | 10:15 |
| pupnik | irssi | 10:15 |
| markc | pupnik: thanks | 10:19 |
| markc | the current meego interface is very moblin/gnomeish orientated, when will it be worth while developing for a Qt/Quick kind of interface (if any is coming) ? | 10:21 |
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| pupnik | play with the qt apps on n900 and symbian3 | 10:26 |
| LaSaRuX | hello... someone knows where is the repo for mutter-moblin package and other moblin related stuff? | 10:29 |
| TenPhil | markc: you virtualizing meego or you got it directly on hardware? | 10:30 |
| markc | running on a core duo laptop, hardware | 10:31 |
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| Stskeeps | for those interested in MeeGo on N810, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=681902&postcount=84 | 10:33 |
| markc | TenPhil: I don't have a 32bit ubuntu install so I was thinking of trying to get OBS working within meego, is it worth my effort to try do you think? | 10:34 |
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| pupnik | ty Stskeeps | 10:38 |
| pupnik | many n810s can be put to good work | 10:38 |
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| Stskeeps | they make great qt development devices | 10:38 |
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| Stskeeps | morning slaine | 10:48 |
| slaine | morning Stskeeps | 10:48 |
| slaine | morning all | 10:48 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: how about N800? | 10:48 |
| thiago | my N800 is a decoration piece on my desk right now :-) | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: we haven't tested the kernel on n800 yet, but maybe. | 10:49 |
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| Stskeeps | right now we're focusing on n810 as it's easier when it comes to for example sound.. | 10:49 |
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| slaine | does the n800 have the same cpu as the n810 ? | 10:50 |
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| Nadley | hi | 10:53 |
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| Stskeeps | slaine: yes | 10:53 |
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| Nadley | Can I run the new release of meego in virtualbox to try it ? | 10:56 |
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| markc | Nadley: the netbook UI needs 3D support, maybe Virtualbox 3.2 will work | 10:59 |
| Nadley | markc: thanks I'l check and try it | 11:00 |
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| biston | good morning. I was just wondering if the images on http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.0/core/images/meego-n900-open-armv7l/ have full support for the n900 and if they have an interface. Did anyone try them yet? | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | it lacks some closed source binaries (we are working on that release this minute, ran into a last minute blocker). it comes with x-terminal. open image mostly serves as an example people can use to implement other device ports | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | handset UX is supposed to come out at some point after 1.0 release. | 11:03 |
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| biston | oh, but that means that n900 devices ARE still supported by the MeeGo project, not as a million webblogs say (on behalf on nokia officials) | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | biston: yes, but meego isn't nokia, so that's the difference | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | meego's a open source project with nokia and intel and others as backers and participants | 11:05 |
| biston | alright, thanks a lot for the info | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | it's officially a linux foundation project | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | the word 'support' is horrid | 11:06 |
| biston | uha | 11:06 |
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| pupnik | it is inappropriate here | 11:07 |
| pupnik | there is no n900 meego support | 11:07 |
| poutsi | should meego get a stackoverflow instance i wonder | 11:07 |
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| poutsi | iirc there was some talk over there about petitioning ideas for new instances... i dunno, just thinking out loud about support | 11:14 |
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| Stskeeps | morning smoku | 11:15 |
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| Khertan | Hi all ! | 11:18 |
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| smoku | 'lo Stskeeps | 11:25 |
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| zaheerm | any idea where the flickr integration went? | 11:27 |
| zaheerm | i see it in libsocialweb code but not in the ui anywhere | 11:28 |
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| Surfa | zaheerm, there it is | 11:31 |
| Surfa | settings->sharing | 11:31 |
| Surfa | oops, wrong channel :) | 11:31 |
| zaheerm | Surfa, ? | 11:32 |
| zaheerm | lol | 11:32 |
| zaheerm | i meant in meego 1.0 ;) | 11:32 |
| Surfa | yep | 11:32 |
| Surfa | i thought I was on #maemo :) | 11:32 |
| Surfa | so never mind.. | 11:32 |
| zaheerm | the flickr integration at least for content production is decent on maemo :) | 11:32 |
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| zaheerm | we could do with photos app in maemo also being able to browse your flickr stuff and organise it | 11:33 |
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| pupnik | or dcc a photo to contacts | 11:37 |
| pupnik | contacts -> irc interface | 11:37 |
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| nedrichards | zaheerm: re: flickr - that's a licence issue | 11:42 |
| nedrichards | we can't distribute the keys etc. | 11:43 |
| nedrichards | however I'm sure an enterprising hacker could take the code in our git and package it | 11:43 |
| zaheerm | nedrichards, there is no images tab in the top meego toolbar | 11:44 |
| nedrichards | zaheerm: no flickr panel? | 11:44 |
| nedrichards | there's never been one | 11:44 |
| nedrichards | however, there is an API to write your own panels now | 11:45 |
| nedrichards | and a UI for users to add and remove them | 11:45 |
| zaheerm | where should pictures and photos go then? | 11:45 |
| mauricek | to get the image files on a usb stick from windows, I guess the moblin instructions do apply? http://moblin.org/documentation/test-drive-moblin/using-moblin-live-image | 11:45 |
| zaheerm | nedrichards, please could you point me to the api | 11:46 |
| nedrichards | zaheerm: they used to go into the media panel, but we moved away from hornsey so it's partly a regression | 11:46 |
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| zaheerm | nedrichards, aaah, is media panel just banshee or a custom ui that could have photos and accessing banshee's backend? | 11:46 |
| nedrichards | zaheerm: correct | 11:47 |
| nedrichards | it's a custom ui on top of the banshee platform | 11:47 |
| nedrichards | just like the media app is a custom ui for banshee as well | 11:47 |
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| nedrichards | we plan to help the banshee hackers add photo support in future | 11:47 |
| zaheerm | so the same custom ui could use f-spot or other backend? | 11:47 |
| nedrichards | zaheerm: sure, although i'd prefer to see a dedicated panel myself I think | 11:47 |
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| zaheerm | not sure f-spot has a backend/frotnend split | 11:48 |
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| zaheerm | nedrichards, yah probably, although photos and videos could go together just as much as music and videos... | 11:48 |
| nedrichards | zaheerm: just spoken to tf and he's working on the friendly api docs for mutter right now | 11:48 |
| nedrichards | zaheerm: sure | 11:48 |
| nedrichards | I'd like to see them all in seperate panels i think though | 11:48 |
| nedrichards | our testing found that people got a little lost with them all together | 11:49 |
| zaheerm | nedrichards, also i don't see the mutter-moblin on gitorious | 11:49 |
| nedrichards | even though I agree, it's more intuitive to me | 11:49 |
| zaheerm | yah photos, videos, audio separated would be more intiuitive to my mother | 11:49 |
| zaheerm | and photos should ideally aggregate flickr, picasa, facebook, local photos | 11:50 |
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| nedrichards | zaheerm: that's the aim | 11:55 |
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| ilembitov | Hi, all. Is there something wrong with yum databases in Meego 1.0, or is it just me? Update manager fails, running sudo yum upgrade leads to a hang-up, and even running ls /etc/yum.repos.d does so. What's the problem? | 11:59 |
| _Pete_ | where is the instructions how to install http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.0/core/images/meego-n900-open-armv7l/ | 12:00 |
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| azmo | hi | 12:20 |
| azmo | anyone active? im wondering if it is possible to change the keyboard layout in meego 1.0 (netbbok version) - cant find any option for that :( | 12:21 |
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| ZogG | _Pete_ it's without UI anyway - right? | 12:23 |
| nedrichards | ZogG: correct, there's no UI released for the handset | 12:24 |
| ZogG | =( | 12:24 |
| ZogG | and no dualboot as i assume? | 12:24 |
| nedrichards | ZogG: on netbook? | 12:24 |
| ZogG | on handset | 12:24 |
| nedrichards | I don't know about that tbh | 12:25 |
| nedrichards | but I really doubt it | 12:25 |
| ZogG | me too =) | 12:25 |
| ZogG | just was wondering to play around with it, but i need a phone too | 12:25 |
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| nedrichards | azmo: is that different keyboard layouts within the same 'language group'? | 12:25 |
| nedrichards | i.e. Dvorak etc. | 12:25 |
| skynets | meego 1.0 not for phone | 12:25 |
| skynets | :( | 12:26 |
| skynets | :@ | 12:26 |
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| skynets | expensive brick | 12:26 |
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| azmo | nedrichards language group? its seems to be english keyboard layout qwerty and id like it to be qwertz with äöü (german layout) | 12:26 |
| nedrichards | ok | 12:26 |
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| nedrichards | azmo: but still with english as the UI language? or changing everything to german | 12:27 |
| ZogG | azmo maybe you should check for configs? | 12:27 |
| ZogG | does it use udev? | 12:27 |
| azmo | cant find any option for it and cant use console because i dont know live image's root pwd.. | 12:27 |
| ZogG | azmo, check the /etc/udev for any keyboard rules | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | skynets: no, handset UX not out yet | 12:27 |
| skynets | yet? | 12:27 |
| azmo | dont care if UI is german or english.. | 12:28 |
| skynets | i thought MeeGo won't be on the N900 | 12:28 |
| azmo | havin a look at udev | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | skynets: no, nokia meego won't be on n900 | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | meego will be for sure | 12:28 |
| skynets | oh | 12:28 |
| skynets | hmm | 12:28 |
| skynets | difference? | 12:28 |
| skynets | Nokia version vs community version? | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | nokia doesn't answer your tech suppot calls and you won't have their differentiation | 12:28 |
| skynets | screw nokia | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | fair enough | 12:29 |
| skynets | since the N97 theyve been going downhill | 12:29 |
| azmo | nedrichards anyways is it even possibler to change evryting to german right now? | 12:29 |
| leinir | skynets: So... Nokia allowing you to install unsupported software is screw-them-worthy... Nice stance, i applaud your connection with reality, Sir ;) | 12:29 |
| nedrichards | azmo: I believe the layout is supposed to change when you change the language | 12:30 |
| azmo | well i cannot find any layout options in /etc/udev | 12:30 |
| skynets | leinir.. allowing? you can do that with pretty much any phone these days | 12:30 |
| skynets | android on the iphone | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | not intentionally fwiw | 12:30 |
| azmo | nedrichards but where to do that? cant find any config tool | 12:30 |
| skynets | android on the n900 | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | apple could block hacks of that order if they want | 12:30 |
| nedrichards | azmo, launch the settings application | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | on nokia n900 you dont even have to jailbreak :) | 12:31 |
| nedrichards | there should be a language option in there | 12:31 |
| skynets | Stskeeps, yeah but there isnt any good software to block to begin with | 12:31 |
| skynets | i dont care if i jailbreak it, i end up with good software if i do | 12:31 |
| leinir | Mmm, troll-tastic ;) | 12:31 |
| skynets | the n900 has like 100 apps | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | :shrug: | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | either way | 12:31 |
| nedrichards | azmo: however, in an off the books fashion i've just typed sudo zypper install system-config-keyboard | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | this is meego, not noki | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | a | 12:32 |
| nedrichards | and then run system-config-keyboard on the command line | 12:32 |
| nedrichards | which will certainly work | 12:32 |
| skynets | right | 12:32 |
| skynets | good luck with meego | 12:32 |
| skynets | i hope it goes well | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | we try to do the right thing here :P | 12:32 |
| azmo | nedrichards: ok thank you i will try that | 12:32 |
| skynets | gn | 12:32 |
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| azmo | nedrichards: and i found the settings finally didnt even know they were there.. its a bit confusing.. | 12:33 |
| ZogG | leinir, the difference is that you don't have proper support for official os =) | 12:33 |
| nedrichards | azmo: sure, last time I looed it was a default favourite - not sure why that's not in the release | 12:33 |
| nedrichards | I'll have to file a bug ;-) | 12:34 |
| azmo | nedrichards: yeah.. i sposethat wil be changed someday.. alyways the first thing i do, tweak the settings. i like the ui and everything and was just playing around when i realized that it was the wrong keyboard layout.. ;) | 12:34 |
| nedrichards | sure | 12:35 |
| leinir | ZogG: No proper support for maemo5? Not sure i follow you there... what with the release of PR1.2 yesterday and such, i feel it's being supported quite well, really ;) | 12:35 |
| robster | nedrichards: settings have never been in default fav apps. :-) | 12:35 |
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| nedrichards | robster: It was on my list that it was supposed to be | 12:35 |
| ZogG | leinir check the bugs that were fixed, some of them are not. | 12:35 |
| nedrichards | if you remember the 'that means there'll be 5 and it'll look wrong' discussion ;-0 | 12:35 |
| azmo | nedrichards: whats the live systems's root pwd btw? | 12:35 |
| robster | nedrichards: hehe, yeh, but was it ever in bugzilla.. ;-) | 12:36 |
| robster | azmo: meego? | 12:36 |
| nedrichards | azmo: I'm not totally sure, bet it's meego | 12:36 |
| ZogG | leinir, btw the adv says about flash , but sites are going for 10, and you don't =-) | 12:36 |
| nedrichards | robster: thus my point above - bug or it didn't happen ;-) | 12:36 |
| azmo | "meego is not the sudoers file. This incident will be reported." | 12:36 |
| azmo | o0 | 12:36 |
| ZogG | leinir, you don't have any info and the main force are in meego now... 1+1 =... | 12:36 |
| nedrichards | azmo: seriously | 12:36 |
| robster | nedrichards: exactly, and it's not something we can upgrade through either.. | 12:36 |
| nedrichards | hilarious | 12:36 |
| inteallahonsen | Hi folks, does the Meego 1.0 work on core 2 duo machines with intel graphic (nott gma500)? Or is it just Atom based stuff? | 12:36 |
| ZogG | azmo, have you found keyboard rules? | 12:36 |
| robster | azmo: yeh, that's the case on the live system su will work. | 12:37 |
| ZogG | inteallahonsen, why would you want it on core 2 duo? | 12:37 |
| nedrichards | inteallahonsen: I see no reason it wouldn't work | 12:37 |
| leinir | ZogG: Oh well, that's your opinion i'm sure - i just happen to find maemo decidedly better supported than e.g. the HTC handsets running... well, anything really ;) | 12:37 |
| nedrichards | so long as the features are >Atom and the graphics has an open driver it should work | 12:37 |
| robster | inteallahonsen: should work, needs SSÂÂE3 (core 2+) and i9+ graphics | 12:37 |
| azmo | zogd nope.. not yet. i managed to change language (but change will occur only when next login and im on a live system so reboot is out of the question.. any manual logout/login options there? | 12:37 |
| leinir | (htc as an example, there's plenty others out there) | 12:37 |
| summel | why cant meego connect to wpa2 networks? | 12:37 |
| ZogG | leinir, maybe HTC because they don't have their own Os, but nexus ? | 12:38 |
| inteallahonsen | ZogG: Because I dont go to the store and spend shitloads of cash when I got a laptop already? | 12:38 |
| robster | azmo: press power button twice | 12:38 |
| nedrichards | summel: that's a bug, it can for me | 12:38 |
| summel | oO | 12:38 |
| robster | summel: when you open a bug report make sure to include the output of lspci | 12:38 |
| nedrichards | yes, please | 12:38 |
| summel | i cant join wpa2 personal or wpa2 enterprise networks | 12:38 |
| nedrichards | what robster said | 12:38 |
| summel | also synching with my n900 does not work | 12:38 |
| inteallahonsen | robster, nedrichards: Thanks! :D | 12:38 |
| ZogG | inteallahonsen, but the point f meego for netbooks, the laptop can run a regular OS =) | 12:38 |
| summel | and brightness controls also dont work :/ | 12:38 |
| nedrichards | summel: I've not tested enterprise but I have a personal one at home | 12:38 |
| nedrichards | inteallahonsen: when you run it on a laptop you'll see big screen mode - new for 1.0 | 12:39 |
| inteallahonsen | nedrichards: big screen mode? | 12:39 |
| nedrichards | things will behave a bit more like a normal os than on a netbook | 12:39 |
| azmo | robster ah su works yeah thx.. pressig power twice now | 12:39 |
| summel | i also have a wpa2 personal network at home... but when i enter the password i just get an "connection failed" | 12:39 |
| robster | summel: that's something that's only guaranteed to work on productized builds when you buy a netbook with MeeGo preloaded | 12:39 |
| inteallahonsen | nedrichards: ah.. lol as in opposed of small screen 7-10 inch. | 12:39 |
| summel | eww | 12:39 |
| nedrichards | inteallahonsen: yup | 12:40 |
| robster | summel: that kernel support / hardware just isn't there for all the variety of netbooks. | 12:40 |
| azmo | robster: ok pressing it twice made the system shutdown ;) | 12:40 |
| summel | ok im back to another distribution then -_- | 12:40 |
| leinir | ZogG: The nexus is Google's dev device - if you take a look at the google phone 1, well... how well is that being supported now? :) | 12:40 |
| robster | azmo: yup and then you can reboot by turning it back on ;-) | 12:40 |
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| azmo | robster: lol ok but on a live system i dont think the changes will survive the reboot :-p | 12:40 |
| summel | does bluetooth syncing with an n900 work for anybody else? | 12:40 |
| robster | azmo: ah, yes. that's true isn't it. | 12:41 |
| azmo | robster: well i wil install it anyways now.. | 12:41 |
| robster | azmo: the live system is only in english i guess :-) | 12:41 |
| ZogG | leinir new android is going to nexus. and maemo is dead, while n900 is 6 month old and there a lot of non-functional stuff. meego is not going to n900 officialy | 12:41 |
| azmo | robster the last hint with the console ability and the settings app decided it for me :) | 12:41 |
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| robster | azmo: on the installed version, you user is in the sudoers file btw, it's just a live system thing | 12:42 |
| azmo | robster think so.. was just confused about the apparent lack of settings app but now im quite happy | 12:42 |
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| robster | azmo: http://help.meego.com/netbook/settings has the documentation | 12:43 |
| Votan | Are there any plans for a backport of the .34 kernel with trim support ? | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | Votan: hopefully meego will go on 2.6.34 when it's released. | 12:44 |
| azmo | robster thx its getting even better ^^ | 12:44 |
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| ZogG | leinir i'm not one of the whining guys, i'm trying to be objective. i love n900 and maemo, but maemo doesn't got the fully functional OS and it wouldn't because Nokia is all in MeeGo now. as well i don't like google(it's evil) but their support is much better. | 12:45 |
| azmo | ok thank you all i will try an install now ^^ | 12:46 |
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| Votan | Stskeeps i see, is there no pre-compiled .34 kernel with standard meego settings ? like the mainline-ppa for ubuntu ? | 12:47 |
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| Stskeeps | Votan: 2.6.34 wasn't released when freeze in meego came about, at least | 12:47 |
| Votan | Stskeeps yes, but maybe some dev compiled a .34 kernel with the meego settings and could put it online for testing purposes or at least TRIM support for people with modern SSDs | 12:48 |
| smhar | I just found this: http://www.nokian900applications.com/meego-1-0-for-nokia-n900/ | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | Votan: haven't seen it yet. ask on mailing list :) | 12:49 |
| ZogG | and n900 is not the phone, it' expensive handset and the its wrong to support it only for half year. i believe will get pr1.3 with small fixes and maybe 1.4 but you even don't know that as nokia's policy is " we don't own you anything", you bought it - okay, that's what you have. on other hand look as n900 was launched in Hong-Kong not that far ago, and it was already when Nokia switched to MeeGo. it's not right to make an 6months old O | 12:49 |
| ZogG | S. and i wouldn't care if maemo was fully open with open drivers, than community would do what Nokia haven't done | 12:49 |
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| Stskeeps | meh, that's supposed to be what is changing with meego :P | 12:50 |
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| ZogG | Stskeeps, what n900 drivers currently are supported in MeeGo? | 12:51 |
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| ZogG | Stskeeps, if i would install it and get hildon on it, how workable it would be? | 12:51 |
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| Stskeeps | ZogG: image with closed bits? bluetooth, wifi, 3d acceleration, battery charging, telephony stack in progress | 12:51 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 12:52 |
| ZogG | so i can get functional thing except phone? | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, technically, yes, but there's no UX and there's a lot of leg work in putting hildon anywhere due to maemo gtk | 12:52 |
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| Stskeeps | ZogG: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Hardware_support | 12:53 |
| ZogG | Stskeeps is pr1.2 hildon still in gtk? | 12:53 |
| summel | odin_: yes | 12:53 |
| summel | *ZogG | 12:54 |
| ZogG | okay | 12:54 |
| summel | and i dont think it will change | 12:54 |
| ZogG | and meego pkgs are rpm? | 12:54 |
| summel | yes | 12:54 |
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| ZogG | but i would be able to convert deb pkgs from maemo to meego's rpm and install them manuanlly | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | right, except that maemo gtk is incompatible and older version of gtk | 12:55 |
| ZogG | than i could run hildon but still would need stuff to work with bluetooth and wifi and so on? | 12:55 |
| ZogG | Stskeeps, with hildon you mean or meego? meego has gtk? | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | meego has gtk but it isn't maemo gtk :) | 12:56 |
| Votan | Is ConnMan now actually supporting VPN ? | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | trust me, it is a bit complicated | 12:56 |
| koupsaa | hi | 12:56 |
| ZogG | Stskeeps i'm talking theoretically and just want to understand how it works =) | 12:56 |
| ZogG | is netbook meego suppose to be for multitouch screens? | 12:57 |
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| Stskeeps | i wonder when the first crazy person comes around that wants to put meego on his 770.. | 13:00 |
| robster | ZogG: no. | 13:00 |
| Tm_T | Stskeeps: I would have done it already if I had such hardware | 13:00 |
| ZogG | Stskeeps if i had n700 | 13:00 |
| Tm_T | Stskeeps: but I can try with Freerunner if that makes you happy | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | Tm_T: nah, we build for armv5 and armv7 | 13:01 |
| ZogG | i'm thinking more and more about gentoo | 13:01 |
| Tm_T | Stskeeps: I know, that wouldn't stop me though (: | 13:01 |
| ZogG | Stskeeps, i want meego port for 8086 | 13:01 |
| Termana | Tm_T, wouldn't stop you, but you'd still have to recompile all your applications etc. | 13:01 |
| ZogG | i mean 386 =) | 13:02 |
| Tm_T | Termana: I know that very well (: | 13:02 |
| Tm_T | that was the point in my comment (:) | 13:02 |
| Tm_T | whatever makes Stskeeps happy | 13:02 |
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| _Brandon_ | hi, anyone knows how to use the meego .img file under vmware/virtualbox? I got a black screen with vmware and a freeze with virtualbox after selecting "boot meego" | 13:09 |
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| pupnik | can v | 13:11 |
| pupnik | mware use .img? | 13:11 |
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| stefan99 | virtualbox can, but I have the same issue | 13:12 |
| stefan99 | freezes | 13:12 |
| _Brandon_ | well the img looks like an iso file to me | 13:12 |
| stefan99 | installing worked but after reboot nothing shows | 13:12 |
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| Rods_Tiger | I've installed meego to my Acer Aspire One but it doesn't work. I get: init id x respawning too fast, disabled for five minutes, repeatedly line by line on the screen and no further progress | 13:13 |
| nedrichards | stefan99: AFAIK Virtualbox doesn't accelerate DRI2 so it won't work | 13:13 |
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| stefan99 | nedrichards, ok thanks, to bad though :( | 13:18 |
| _Brandon_ | apparently with vmware it didn't freeze, I can login from a console, but xorg is probably crashing | 13:20 |
| nedrichards | stefan99: yeah, it's annoying - we've been spending some time working on this for the SDK and stuff but it's a little way off still | 13:21 |
| Rods_Tiger | how can I make it work? | 13:22 |
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| azmo | the meego install was succesful ^^ | 13:26 |
| nedrichards | azmo: excellent | 13:26 |
| azmo | unfortunately, my win xp does not boot anymore now | 13:26 |
| azmo | there is much work to be done to improve meego.. grub isnt supposed to kill my xp boot... tryig to restore now | 13:27 |
| pupnik | small favors | 13:28 |
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| Rods_Tiger | I'll try and repeat the installation - is there anything I should do or shouldn't have done, to avoid this init idx respawning nonsense? | 13:29 |
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| vincenzo1234 | Hi-m testing meego on the eeepc... It is a surprise for me that the main UI is the old moblin clutter UI | 13:32 |
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| vincenzo1234 | is a qt UX in the workings? | 13:33 |
| nedrichards | vincenzo1234: not that I'm aware of | 13:33 |
| vincenzo1234 | where will qt be emploied? just for apps development? | 13:33 |
| nedrichards | vincenzo1234: well, we're shipping with Qt and the Garage app is written in it | 13:34 |
| nedrichards | so it's up to developers if they want to use it | 13:34 |
| nedrichards | other UXs will have different policies and be written in different tech | 13:35 |
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| vincenzo1234 | from the press I understood that the main gui toolkit for meego was going to be qt... | 13:36 |
| vincenzo1234 | as it is now it looks more a side feature/option than a core technology. | 13:36 |
| macron | It will be, it might just take some time to turn around Mobiln apps etc. to make them Qt. | 13:36 |
| macron | The MeegoTouch UI framework is based on Qt (QGraphicsView) | 13:37 |
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| vincenzo1234 | macron: ah, ok, that makes a whole lot of sense! | 13:37 |
| ieatfish | Is Skype available for MeeGo? | 13:38 |
| nedrichards | ieatfish: I've used the Fedora version succesfully | 13:38 |
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| vincenzo1234 | macron: any idea on when to expect the <>?;''massive transition to qt | 13:39 |
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| Rods_Tiger | I've just reinstalled it to my Acer Aspire One and it worked properly this time. I unplugged the external monitor this time during the installation and initial booting, if that made a difference. | 13:45 |
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| vincenzo1234 | macron: sorry I got disconnected | 13:47 |
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| vincenzo1234 | macron: do you know when the transition to qt will take place for the moblin apps? | 13:50 |
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| edent | Is there a guide to flashing the official MeeGo to the N900 (Linux 64 bit)? | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | chances are you'll want to wait a little bit for us to publish the closed image. both have only a x terminal so careful what you wish for :) | 13:57 |
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| tekojo | Does anyone know if MeeGo 1.0 has an irc client? | 13:57 |
| nedrichards | tekojo: not in the default install but you can install telepathy-idle and there should be other apps available in extras/garage either now or soon | 13:58 |
| Tm_T | Stskeeps: makes me smile how much people expect everything to be ready now as version number is 1.0 | 13:58 |
| tekojo | nedrichards: thanks that's one of the things that is lacking | 13:58 |
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| mauricek | Tm_T: I had been happy if it at least booted ;) | 14:03 |
| Myrtti | tekojo: I thought that all geeks needed was gcc, terminal and a bit of magic? what the hell are you asking for, a GUI?! | 14:05 |
| Myrtti | lolno. | 14:05 |
| Tm_T | Myrtti: especially for irc... | 14:05 |
| Myrtti | get a compiler, hippie ;-) | 14:05 |
| Myrtti | *snerk* | 14:06 |
| * Tm_T goes put irssi to default installs for now on | 14:06 | |
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| Tm_T | or perhaps hcirc, hard coded to one channel, with manual pong answers to server etc | 14:07 |
| Myrtti | even _our_ company has a shell server with irssi on it. true, it is mainly used to connect to the localhost bitlbee which connects to the localhost xmpp server, but still! IRSSI! | 14:07 |
| Myrtti | on unrelated note, I just had my first cup of coffee in about a month. | 14:08 |
| Myrtti | WHEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeee | 14:08 |
| Tm_T | I can tell | 14:08 |
| * Tm_T huggles Myrtti | 14:08 | |
| FunkyPenguin | is there a faq for the 1.0 netbook release? | 14:10 |
| * FunkyPenguin is looking specifically at minimum screen resolution | 14:10 | |
| tekojo | Myrtti: I just want an irc client I already got the compiler and kernel sources :) | 14:10 |
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| koupsaa | tekojo: for irc on meego we have empathy 2.30.1 | 14:11 |
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| koupsaa | im on it | 14:11 |
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| nedrichards | FunkyPenguin: same as before 1024x600 | 14:20 |
| nedrichards | whilst it may actually work on smaller than that, I've never tested it on less | 14:21 |
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| FunkyPenguin | nedrichards, ok thanks | 14:22 |
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| nedrichards | FunkyPenguin: it works better on bigger screens now though | 14:22 |
| FunkyPenguin | hmm looking at my crappy old 701 it seems to work fine, other than not seeing the battery | 14:22 |
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| FunkyPenguin | im glad you dropped the web panel though, that was a pita to build for me :) | 14:24 |
| nedrichards | FunkyPenguin: it's not dropped! | 14:25 |
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| nedrichards | some nice men in china worked very hard on that | 14:25 |
| nedrichards | it works with chrome and everything | 14:26 |
| FunkyPenguin | oh? | 14:26 |
| FunkyPenguin | hmm maybe the 701 still cant display it properly | 14:26 |
| * FunkyPenguin tries with an external monitor | 14:26 | |
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| nedrichards | FunkyPenguin: go to settings and have a play with toolbar settings | 14:26 |
| nedrichards | or, as you say, an external monitor | 14:26 |
| nedrichards | which now works properly | 14:26 |
| nedrichards | with hot plug and unplug | 14:27 |
| CosmoHill | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODI5MA :) | 14:27 |
| sivang | is there going to be a MeeGo summit in Ireland ? (I can't remember if it was a maemo summit or meego) | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | ireland | 14:30 |
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| FunkyPenguin | nedrichards, ok looks like 800x480 is still too much of the suck :/ | 14:31 |
| nedrichards | FunkyPenguin: I'm afraid so | 14:31 |
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| CosmoHill | sivang: yes, in Dublin | 14:32 |
| sivang | CosmoHill: is there a wiki for taht or some way to register ? | 14:33 |
| CosmoHill | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010 | 14:34 |
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| alterego | 11:34 < CosmoHill> http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010 | 14:36 |
| alterego | 11:34 < CosmoHill> http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010 | 14:36 |
| alterego | Dagnamit .. | 14:37 |
| CosmoHill | ah! | 14:37 |
| alterego | gnome terminal is buggered. | 14:37 |
| CosmoHill | there's an echo in here | 14:37 |
| sivang | alterego: hehe | 14:37 |
| alterego | Heh, actually I think it's my mouse, works with the mouse pad O_O | 14:37 |
| alterego | Fixed :) | 14:37 |
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| FunkyPenguin | ok the customisable toolbar is great! | 14:38 |
| CosmoHill | I've spotted a typo on that page | 14:38 |
| sivang | is there going to be there discussion and spec'ing for the user experience working group? | 14:39 |
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| CosmoHill | isn't Amy Leeland the person intel flew over to dublin to check it out? | 14:43 |
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| CosmoHill | " What is the smooth way to move RPM -> DEB?" | 14:44 |
| CosmoHill | isn't that the wrong way around? | 14:44 |
| Corsac | depends on what you want? | 14:49 |
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| CosmoHill | ah I see, it might be the right way around | 14:52 |
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| CosmoHill | hey dazo | 14:52 |
| dazo | CosmoHill: hi! | 14:53 |
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| CosmoHill | dazo: I got RHEL 6 beta working with grub2 :) | 14:56 |
| * dazo is a bit confused .... tries to remember when/where he discussed RHEL6 and grub2 .... | 14:57 | |
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| CosmoHill | well I've never talked to you so it wasn't with me | 14:58 |
| sivang | CosmoHill: nice , is this a special thing? e.g. grub2 not stable enough still ? | 14:59 |
| CosmoHill | it took me a few days to work out the configuration | 14:59 |
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| dazo | CosmoHill: ahh :) that makes me feeling less crazy :) | 15:00 |
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| Corsac | is it possible to get some real debugging info from mic-image-creator, especially during the packages install part? | 15:01 |
| CosmoHill | I was going to ask you if you knew somebody but I can't find their name in my logs | 15:01 |
| Corsac | I have packages failing installation because of exits in scriptlets, but I can't really debug them | 15:01 |
| Corsac | (--verbose, --debug don't do anything) | 15:01 |
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| CosmoHill | dazo: http://black-flag.co.uk/wordpress/2010/04/23/red-hat-enterprise-linux-6-beta-grub-2/ << Hope you find that useful | 15:07 |
| * dazo is surprised .... he is on a MeeGo channel, and gets hints about RHEL6 and Grub2 :) | 15:08 | |
| dazo | CosmoHill: thx! :) | 15:09 |
| CosmoHill | sshh | 15:09 |
| CosmoHill | >.> | 15:09 |
| CosmoHill | <.< | 15:09 |
| dazo | it's actually interesting, though ;-) | 15:09 |
| CosmoHill | yay | 15:09 |
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| FunkyPenguin | aargh ok so how does one burn a .img file to disc in linux? | 15:11 |
| CosmoHill | the biggest problem i have with rhel6 is that it dies after waking from sleep | 15:11 |
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| Corsac | wodim trouc.img | 15:11 |
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| CosmoHill | FunkyPenguin: hmm | 15:11 |
| CosmoHill | I think i just renamed img to iso and burnt it | 15:12 |
| FunkyPenguin | oh | 15:12 |
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| FunkyPenguin | CosmoHill, yup that works thanks :) | 15:14 |
| CosmoHill | :3 | 15:15 |
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| blueCmd | If I were to report a bug related to cryptsetup / LUKS, what product an | 15:17 |
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| blueCmd | If I were to report a bug related to cryptsetup / LUKS, what product and component would I use? | 15:17 |
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| CosmoHill | product / compoent? | 15:18 |
| blueCmd | yes, in bugzilla | 15:18 |
| koupsaa | chromium 1 tab is ok but 4 or 5 and became slow slow slow | 15:18 |
| CosmoHill | I don't know, sorry | 15:19 |
| CosmoHill | koupsaa: there's a reason they're not first | 15:19 |
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| koupsaa | yes | 15:20 |
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| CosmoHill | infobot: info | 15:27 |
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| CosmoHill | hmm, firefox gets pissy if you open a 125MB html file. | 15:37 |
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| koupsaa | possible to change chromium to moblin-internet-browser in internet panel? i see moblin-internet-browser in app | 15:38 |
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| pinchartl | hi | 15:39 |
| pinchartl | I've just heard that the default audio player on meego is banshee. does that mean meego has a core dependency on mono ? | 15:41 |
| TSCHAKeee | ... | 15:42 |
| TSCHAKeee | considering that Banshee is written for Mono | 15:43 |
| TSCHAKeee | wouldn't you think yes? | 15:43 |
| pinchartl | *sigh* | 15:43 |
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| Tm_T | hi tomaw | 15:43 |
| Tm_T | TSCHAKeee: simple "yes" would have sufficed | 15:43 |
| pinchartl | how was that decided ? | 15:43 |
| TSCHAKeee | wonderful, I love waking up to religious discussions. | 15:44 |
| TSCHAKeee | Tm_T: it was a very stupid question. | 15:44 |
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| Tm_T | TSCHAKeee: didn't make your answer look any better though (: | 15:44 |
| pinchartl | TSCHAKeee: religion aside, we got a patent problem issue there. I'd like to know what the decision process behind pulling mono in was | 15:45 |
| pupnik | the default audio player should maybe be left to such people as flock to that territory | 15:45 |
| * dazo remembers a quote he learned as a little boy ... "There ain't no stupid questions, only stupid answers!" | 15:45 | |
| pupnik | and stupid quotes :) | 15:46 |
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| Bostik | nah | 15:46 |
| Bostik | "There are no stupid questions, only stupid people." | 15:46 |
| dazo | sounds more like how peterz (kernel guy) would phrase it | 15:47 |
| pupnik | actually the meego audio player should depend on as many proprietary things as possible to give each dork company a piece of bark to scratch their initials | 15:47 |
| pupnik | make it depend on mono *and* java! | 15:48 |
| pupnik | ans qt! | 15:48 |
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| dazo | seriously ... pulling in mono is only suitable for Novell ... who got this treaty with Microsoft .... mono is in a big grey area of patents ... | 15:49 |
| pinchartl | dazo: that's why I'm really puzzled. especially with the apple-nokia patent lawsuit ongoing, I thought nokia would have known better | 15:50 |
| TSCHAKeee | it's called "Novell has their version of MeeGo too." | 15:50 |
| dazo | TSCHAKeee: I think it's even called MeeNoGo :-P | 15:50 |
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| dazo | pinchartl: I agree ... but this might have been inherited from Moblin ... it might (hopefully!) change in the future | 15:51 |
| dazo | btw ... how useful is MeeGo on N900 nowadays ... still no GUI and no phone features? | 15:52 |
| pinchartl | dazo: that's the kind of answer I'm looking for. why it's there, and if it will stay | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | core dependency? no, its ux dependency | 15:52 |
| pinchartl | it's been announced recently | 15:52 |
| pinchartl | so I don't think it's been inherited from moblin | 15:52 |
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| Stskeeps | specificlly netbook ux | 15:52 |
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| pinchartl | Stskeeps: sorry, I should have expressed myself more clearly. it's indeed not a "core" dependency per-se, but a dependency of central components | 15:54 |
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| nacho | hey guys | 15:54 |
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| nacho | what tool do you use to create the bootable usb? | 15:54 |
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| CosmoHill | dd | 15:55 |
| nacho | ah! ok | 15:55 |
| CosmoHill | from the image you mean? | 15:55 |
| nacho | yep | 15:55 |
| TenPhil | nacho usb-imagewriter in ubuntu | 15:55 |
| zogg_laptop | damn | 15:55 |
| CosmoHill | there are instructions on the website | 15:55 |
| TSCHAKeee | argh, the moblin-web-panel keeps crashing | 15:56 |
| TSCHAKeee | grrrrrrr | 15:56 |
| dazo | I know it's been announced been announced ... but it's not clear for me how usable it will be on the N900 :( | 15:56 |
| nacho | TenPhil, cool thanks | 15:56 |
| zogg_laptop | Stskeeps, i read about twm =) how does it look - any screenies? | 15:56 |
| pmarsh | there a torrent of the 1.0 image floating around? | 15:56 |
| * TSCHAKeee laughs | 15:56 | |
| TSCHAKeee | wow.. | 15:56 |
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| CosmoHill | 2007, 11, 20) | 15:57 |
| CosmoHill | dammit | 15:57 |
| CosmoHill | pmarsh: no, why? | 15:57 |
| TSCHAKeee | sorry, just had an "old guy" moment | 15:57 |
| zogg_laptop | pmarsh, you can get it from off.site? | 15:57 |
| CosmoHill | you can get it from the website or a mirrorr | 15:57 |
| * TSCHAKeee remembers when twm was folded into X11 | 15:57 | |
| pmarsh | CosmoHill: just trying to help alleviate the bandwith :) | 15:58 |
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| zogg_laptop | TSCHAKeee, it's in repo so u can get it on n900 =) | 15:58 |
| TSCHAKeee | zogg_laptop: twm was the first window manager to be bundled with X version 11. | 15:58 |
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| TSCHAKeee | zogg_laptop: written late 1986... it's very minimal. | 15:59 |
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| TSCHAKeee | it was built just as a matter of course with X, until Xorg modularized the tree. | 16:00 |
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| zogg_laptop | TSCHAKeee, grandpa, is it you? | 16:02 |
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| TSCHAKeee | :P | 16:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | i'm not that old. | 16:03 |
| zogg_laptop | maybe i'm that young =) | 16:03 |
| TenPhil | Vaughan-Nichols of computerworld has successfully installed and ran MeeGo in VB 3.2, but I can't reproduce the result | 16:04 |
| CosmoHill | Visual Basic? | 16:04 |
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| TSCHAKeee | VirtualBox | 16:05 |
| dazo | VirtualBox, probably | 16:05 |
| CosmoHill | oh thank god | 16:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | TenPhil: is there an article somewhere? | 16:05 |
| CosmoHill | TenPhil: there's a good chance he replaced the kernel | 16:05 |
| zogg_laptop | article for what? | 16:05 |
| TenPhil | http://blogs.computerworld.com/16198/meego_the_new_netbook_linux_arrives | 16:06 |
| CosmoHill | oh computer world is a website | 16:06 |
| TenPhil | yep | 16:06 |
| dazo | often called confuserworld :-P | 16:06 |
| TenPhil | hehehe | 16:07 |
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| CosmoHill | TenPhil: ah I see what he did | 16:07 |
| CosmoHill | he uses a program that comes with virtual box to convert it from an img to vdi file | 16:07 |
| the_lord | Hi! is it true that I can install meego 1.0 on my N900 ? | 16:07 |
| CosmoHill | yes | 16:07 |
| dazo | the_lord: please do and tell me if it is usable :-P | 16:08 |
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| * dazo read something that the user experience was slated to start in June for N900 | 16:08 | |
| the_lord | dazo, I could say exactly the same to you :P | 16:08 |
| * TSCHAKeee facepalms | 16:08 | |
| dazo | the_lord: then you need to be patient :-P | 16:08 |
| TSCHAKeee | good god, we get this question 47,000 times a day | 16:09 |
| pinchartl | the_lord: from what I've heard, there's no UI at the moment | 16:09 |
| TenPhil | hmmm, tried that as well but not from within VB | 16:09 |
| CosmoHill | I can't get meego to boot on my machines :( | 16:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | no matter where it's posted | 16:09 |
| CosmoHill | TSCHAKeee: about the n900? | 16:09 |
| * TSCHAKeee gives CosmoHill a mushroom print | 16:09 | |
| TSCHAKeee | :P | 16:09 |
| CosmoHill | ewwww | 16:09 |
| dazo | TSCHAKeee: get it on the MeeGo news ... and point people there ;-) | 16:09 |
| the_lord | TSCHAKeee, if you're so tired, post the answer to the topic, it's kind of logic that the users come here to ask precisely that question | 16:10 |
| TenPhil | CosmoHill, I ran it from a usb and it worked fine. what processor you got? | 16:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | well we did | 16:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | but we had to put other stuff there too | 16:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | :P | 16:10 |
| CosmoHill | Intel T5730 | 16:10 |
| TenPhil | CosmoHill: How far do you get? | 16:11 |
| CosmoHill | http://black-flag.co.uk/files/meego-4096bs-failed.jpg | 16:11 |
| CosmoHill | mum's failed in a similar way | 16:12 |
| CosmoHill | but I was able to use ctrl alt del | 16:12 |
| dazo | looks like a bad filesystem | 16:12 |
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| CosmoHill | I might zero the SD card and try again | 16:14 |
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| ufa | hello | 16:20 |
| ufa | meego does not recognize my nokia phone as a modem | 16:21 |
| CosmoHill | could be a missing package | 16:23 |
| ufa | and it does not mount any of my local drivers | 16:23 |
| sivang | meego is already having GUI and everything? Are there screenshots? | 16:23 |
| CosmoHill | sivang: yes on the website | 16:23 |
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| CosmoHill | or wiki | 16:23 |
| ufa | sivang > yes | 16:23 |
| ufa | seems pretty snappy though | 16:23 |
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| sivang | CosmoHill: made by intel/nokia or just reusing the maemo stuff ? | 16:24 |
| ufa | despite buggy | 16:24 |
| CosmoHill | it's screen shots of meego | 16:24 |
| CosmoHill | ufa: if it were bug free then there wouldn't be any work to do | 16:25 |
| sivang | CosmoHill: so one can already install it on N900 for example and use it for calls and stuff instead of Maemo? | 16:25 |
| Corsac | no | 16:25 |
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| Corsac | the screenshots are for the netbook UI, not handset | 16:25 |
| CosmoHill | http://meego.com/devices/netbook/netbook-screenshots | 16:25 |
| ufa | CosmoHill > ya, but there is functional bugs, like do not mount local drives, nor usb sticks | 16:25 |
| sivang | ufa: yes, I'm counting on it , I want to establish a pro-active QA team, that bugs like: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9089 would not be considered as "no software bug" | 16:26 |
| povbot` | Bug 9089: Upgrading Maemo itself (nokia official recommended upgrade) failed with "no enough space" on target device. | 16:26 |
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| sivang | I just got a couple of more iphoners laughing at me today for that, and a couple of disappointed freinds with N900. | 16:27 |
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| ufa | my n900 had the micro usb pulled out | 16:27 |
| ufa | it is in transit to repair center | 16:27 |
| ufa | :( | 16:27 |
| ufa | sivang maemo != meego | 16:28 |
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| TenPhil | I think I might consider making some space on my harddrive to run it. | 16:30 |
| sivang | ufa: not a maemo issue anymore, but something I wanna make sure will not re occur in MeeGo, hence the mention here. | 16:31 |
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| smoku | http://moblin.org/documentation/moblin-overview/netbook-screenshots LULZ | 16:33 |
| ufa | sivang > :) | 16:34 |
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| portishead | hi | 16:35 |
| Vali | HI all | 16:35 |
| portishead | what packages are available for meego? Is there an overview somewhere? | 16:36 |
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| markuman | hm is it possible to install meego on usb stick? | 16:44 |
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| CosmoHill | yes | 16:45 |
| CosmoHill | infact it's designed to be | 16:45 |
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| CosmoHill | if you follow the install instructions it tells you how to put it onto a usb stick / memory card | 16:45 |
| CosmoHill | if you'd like to burn it to a CD change the .img to .iso and burn that | 16:45 |
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| portishead | is it true you can't connect to wpa2 networks? | 16:47 |
| markuman | CosmoHill: for testing i've dd the .img on usb stick. but the installer don't recognize another usb stick to install on it | 16:47 |
| CosmoHill | ah | 16:48 |
| CosmoHill | markuman: can't you run the live image and save to the usb stick? | 16:48 |
| Vali | is there any MeeGo1.0 live image available to run on virtual box ? | 16:49 |
| TenPhil | markuman: try usb-imagewriter, that's how i got it working | 16:49 |
| CosmoHill | Vali: i think virtualbox has a tool to convert the img to vdi | 16:49 |
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| pmarsh | Vali: I just tried, and it seemed to go through the install process but doesn't seem to boot properly after that | 16:50 |
| Vali | is it will work on general x86 pc ? | 16:50 |
| CosmoHill | Vali: 35675 Apr 01 14:21:49 <slaine> VBoxManage convertdd <path/to/.usbimg> <path/to/.vdi> | 16:50 |
| CosmoHill | Vali: no idea | 16:50 |
| Vali | how to run .vdi file | 16:51 |
| CosmoHill | it may need a new kernel and a few other packages replaced | 16:51 |
| CosmoHill | Vali: you make a new virtual machine and set the .vdi file as the hard drive | 16:51 |
| Vali | ok | 16:51 |
| markuman | TenPhil: usb-imagewriter? is it a tool of meego? | 16:51 |
| Vali | i will try now..:) thanks | 16:51 |
| pmarsh | CosmoHill: or just mount the .img as your CD-ROM image | 16:51 |
| pmarsh | Vali: I meant that for you | 16:51 |
| Vali | ok | 16:51 |
| pmarsh | I'm on Vbox 3.1.6 let me know how it goes for you | 16:52 |
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| TenPhil | no, I run it in ubuntu, but it can be used to write the image to a usb, worked fine | 16:52 |
| CosmoHill | Vali: http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/%23meego.2010-04-01.log.html#t2010-04-01T16:21:01 | 16:53 |
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| markuman | TenPhil: yeah, i did it with dd, i guess it's still the same. but this is not an correct installation | 16:53 |
| arjan | Vali: no | 16:53 |
| arjan | there's no way to run meego in vbox | 16:53 |
| arjan | sorry. | 16:53 |
| arjan | meego does not run in virtual machines. | 16:53 |
| CosmoHill | :( | 16:53 |
| arjan | it needs good 3D graphics, and no virtual machine provides that | 16:53 |
| arjan | (currently) | 16:53 |
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| TenPhil | arjan, it has been run in VB. | 16:55 |
| TSCHAKeee | SJVN did it apparently | 16:55 |
| Vali | means it will not run or running slowely ? | 16:55 |
| TSCHAKeee | prooobably the latter | 16:56 |
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| TenPhil | slowly most likely, it was quite fast and responsive when I ran it from usb | 16:56 |
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| CosmoHill | I've had meego 0.1 run in virtualbox but that is cli | 16:57 |
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| sivang | CosmoHill: cli's are the best ever | 16:58 |
| arjan | meego runs bash FAST :=_ | 16:58 |
| sivang | CosmoHill: Why did we have to move out of DOS/DesqView | 16:58 |
| sivang | ? | 16:59 |
| sivang | I liked it so much running my BBS software | 16:59 |
| sivang | anyone as old as me here? | 16:59 |
| sivang | :) | 16:59 |
| CosmoHill | you've love what my server looks like | 16:59 |
| sivang | CosmoHill: screenshot and paste | 16:59 |
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| CosmoHill | all you need is a serial cable... | 16:59 |
| sivang | CosmoHill: hehe that's great. | 16:59 |
| CosmoHill | (it does have ssh too but serial is my backup) | 16:59 |
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| riot | heya | 17:07 |
| riot | is there any non-atom/arm "demo" or live-iso available? | 17:07 |
| riot | i'm really having a hard time deciding between android and again maemo/meego | 17:08 |
| microlith | meego and android are wildly different | 17:08 |
| riot | i know. | 17:09 |
| microlith | there aren't any live-isos that will run on non-Atom chips, I don't know of any non-atom chips that support all the instructions | 17:10 |
| riot | i have a 810 with diablo next to my thinkpad | 17:10 |
| arjan | microlith: all core2 and later intel chips also run meego (as long as you have supported instructions) | 17:10 |
| riot | and my thinkpad already virtualizes a live android-iso. | 17:10 |
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| arjan | s/istructions/graphics/ | 17:11 |
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| * arjan runs meego just fine on my core2 laptop and mt core i7 machines | 17:11 | |
| microlith | of course they'll run fine on an i7 | 17:11 |
| microlith | how old is the core2? | 17:11 |
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| arjan | core2 got released in 2006 | 17:12 |
| arjan | mine is a bit newer than that ;-) | 17:12 |
| arjan | actually one of my core2's is from 2006 I think | 17:13 |
| microlith | well you put the qualifier "as long as you have supported instructions" in there | 17:13 |
| arjan | it was one of the first laptops with core2 | 17:13 |
| arjan | I meant graphics, not instructions | 17:13 |
| microlith | ah | 17:13 |
| arjan | sorry too early in the day | 17:13 |
| CosmoHill | core 2 was Q3 or Q4 or 2006? | 17:13 |
| microlith | yeah understandable | 17:13 |
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| arjan | CosmoHill: I thought it was q2 | 17:13 |
| arjan | but not sure anymore | 17:13 |
| arjan | loooong time ago | 17:13 |
| CosmoHill | Macs came out with Core 1 in Q12006 | 17:14 |
| riot | arjan: did you do anything special or download a special iso? | 17:14 |
| CosmoHill | 3 months after I got my powerpc mac >.< | 17:14 |
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| CosmoHill | however my mac still works, i'm on it now :) | 17:14 |
| arjan | riot: no | 17:15 |
| arjan | just standard images | 17:15 |
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| arjan | only thing is my core i7's don't have reasonable graphics | 17:15 |
| arjan | so I tend to run those in text mode | 17:15 |
| arjan | (can you believe that the 3d chip (some matrox thing) is slower than software rendering on that guy) | 17:15 |
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| riot | hmhmm.. there is a strange mentality all over the website. It talks about "open" but at the same time about "we", "us" in a strangely excluding manner... all those "steering groups".. hmhm. Doesn't feel like opensource at all. | 17:19 |
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| pupnik | ok, opensource-contribute | 17:21 |
| riot | even the term "steering group"... annoys the hell out of me... | 17:21 |
| GAN900 | riot, yeah. . . . | 17:25 |
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| riot | well, its probably just terminology, i suppose. Other big oss-projects have benevolent dictators et al... | 17:26 |
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| riot | Still, i'm used to being able to install new (usually debian ;) updates to my old machines. So pulling of a "No-Maemo5-for-your-n810-or-older" again would seriously piss me off. | 17:28 |
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| arjan | the hard part of getting a distro running on such an older machine tends to be the hw support | 17:29 |
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| thiago | *especially* ARM hardware | 17:29 |
| jusliukk | riot, nokia's business is selling devices… they have a long tradition of not wanting users to upgrade their old devices, but buy new ones… this open source stuff has them learning new habits, i hope ;) | 17:29 |
| arjan | if someone who knows what he's doing can contribute that, I don't see a reason fundamentally why meego wouldn't run on n810 | 17:30 |
| FunkyPenguin | nedrichards, ok playing with the toolbar settings means i can get things to work pretty well on the eepc701 | 17:30 |
| arjan | but it's not for the faint of heart... see what thiago said ;) | 17:30 |
| slaine | my undestanding is that there's a community effort to do just that arjan | 17:30 |
| w00t_ | there is already a project for n810 | 17:30 |
| arjan | excellent | 17:30 |
| w00t_ | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N8x0 | 17:30 |
| nedrichards | FunkyPenguin: awesome! glad it works | 17:30 |
| lcuk | arjan, n810 is a rocking device, but to get uber performance you have to be slimline and nimble | 17:30 |
| thiago | I'd love my N800 to actually boot up | 17:30 |
| nedrichards | I thought it might with the flexible | 17:30 |
| w00t_ | Stskeeps is the real guy to poke at the moment, hang out in #meego-arm too | 17:31 |
| lcuk | but of course those same things help later devices by giving back battery and time | 17:31 |
| thiago | otherwise, it's just decoration on my desk | 17:31 |
| nacho | I've just tried meego, it looks really nice | 17:31 |
| nacho | though, wans't meego suppose to use qt? | 17:31 |
| riot | jusliukk: exactly what i think, too, yes. They can't piss of their users - esp. not developers - it doesn't compute. | 17:31 |
| nacho | seems like most apps are gtk | 17:31 |
| FunkyPenguin | only complaint is that hbons or jimmac didnt do a Meegofied Chrome icon | 17:31 |
| thiago | nacho: "do what I say, not what I do" | 17:31 |
| arjan | nacho: meego uses qt for all the applications | 17:31 |
| arjan | and I'm hoping some of the core UI panels will be rewritten in Qt as well... | 17:31 |
| arjan | or at least the meego touch stuff that's a layer on top of qt | 17:32 |
| thiago | arjan: whenever you get any hard data on qt gl performance on intel video cards, let me know | 17:32 |
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| thiago | our Atom boards haven't arrived yet | 17:32 |
| riot | who came up with the batcrazy (but somehow cool ;) idea of putting chrome inside??? | 17:32 |
| nacho | arjan, but i.e: banshee, gedit etc are gtk | 17:32 |
| arjan | riot: chrome/chromium is a much nicer browser than firefox | 17:33 |
| thiago | and it's webkit | 17:33 |
| Corsac | why not funding midori? | 17:34 |
| arjan | I feel bad for the firefox guys; but they've been overrun by chrome/chromium by quite a lot | 17:34 |
| FunkyPenguin | arjan, who is the best person to speak to about ACPI support? | 17:34 |
| FunkyPenguin | for some reason the new kernel doesnt seem to support the eeePC 701 properly | 17:34 |
| riot | arjan: for embedded devices - i'm totally sure. On my debian boxes - NO way. | 17:35 |
| arjan | FunkyPenguin: 701 is the preatom one right? | 17:35 |
| arjan | FunkyPenguin: seriously surprised that that one works | 17:35 |
| Corsac | (chromium looks like gtk+ for me, too) | 17:35 |
| arjan | Corsac: that's a theming thing mostly | 17:36 |
| GAN900 | It's too bad too, since Google is eeeviiiil | 17:36 |
| Corsac | arjan: I mean it *is* gtk+ :) | 17:36 |
| arjan | riot: even on a core2 or other heavy laptop, chrome/chromium beats firefox HARD | 17:36 |
| GAN900 | Core 2 is "heavy" now? | 17:36 |
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| arjan | can900: compared to a small atom it is ;) | 17:37 |
| FunkyPenguin | arjan, yup, celeron based. everything works fine apart from battery status | 17:37 |
| FunkyPenguin | i seemingly have no battery according to the applet | 17:37 |
| w00t_ | I have that on a samsung N220 as well, actually | 17:38 |
| FunkyPenguin | yet afaik all the details are upstream in the kernel | 17:38 |
| w00t_ | "no battery" | 17:38 |
| * GAN900 wishes for an OMAP4 netbook. | 17:38 | |
| * w00t_ has a note to look into bugs.m.c later | 17:38 | |
| bpeel | FunkyPenguin: MeeGo is compiled to use SSE2 math which I think isn't supported. last time I tried on a 701 it wouldn't even boot | 17:38 |
| GAN900 | Atom sucks juice like a fullsize | 17:38 |
| bpeel | (although that was a long time ago) | 17:38 |
| GAN900 | and has nearly the performance of an ARM. | 17:38 |
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| FunkyPenguin | bpeel, im running it now on my 701 ;) | 17:39 |
| sivang | for the kids here, this is what desqview was :) | 17:39 |
| FunkyPenguin | managed to run everything since 2.0 | 17:39 |
| sivang | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DESQview | 17:39 |
| riot | arjan: speedwise, maybe. But speed isn't everything | 17:40 |
| * FunkyPenguin may have been premature, running from media works fine, but looks like there is an issue installing the bootloader | 17:40 | |
| jimmac | FunkyPenguin: it exists for moblin | 17:40 |
| FunkyPenguin | jimmac, but not meego? | 17:41 |
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| jimmac | FunkyPenguin: http://repo.or.cz/w/moblin-icon-theme.git/blob/one-size:/moblin/48x48/app-overrides/chromium.png << suse moblin | 17:41 |
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| ScatterBrain | How does one activate a Broadcome BCM 4312 WiFi card? | 17:42 |
| arjan | ScatterBrain: you go to slains website ;) | 17:42 |
| FunkyPenguin | jimmac, ah ok so i have it in obs already | 17:44 |
| ScatterBrain | arjan: slains???? sorry MeeGo noob. | 17:44 |
| jimmac | FunkyPenguin: very likely | 17:44 |
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| arjan | slaine on this channel has a webpage for it | 17:44 |
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| ScatterBrain | arjan: slaine: URL?? | 17:45 |
| ScatterBrain | nvm found it - thank you google. | 17:46 |
| sivang | oh and on the nostalgic hour of the channel, one must not forget http://toastytech.com/guis/dvx.html | 17:46 |
| nedrichards | FunkyPenguin: sadly, the whole point of using Chrome is the branding and not touching it, so we take their icon | 17:46 |
| FunkyPenguin | nedrichards, yeah but it make the whole yummy loo | 17:47 |
| FunkyPenguin | oops | 17:47 |
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| FunkyPenguin | nedrichards, what i meant to say was - it breaks the whole yummy look though | 17:47 |
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| nedrichards | truth | 17:48 |
| FunkyPenguin | bugger, bootloader fails to install :( | 17:50 |
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| CosmoHill | FunkyPenguin: it can be done by hand | 17:51 |
| CosmoHill | you might need to boot another livecd and install the boot loader | 17:51 |
| * FunkyPenguin retries | 17:52 | |
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| slaine | ScatterBrain: http://slaine.org/_slaine/Meego_1.0_Wifi.html | 17:57 |
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| ScatterBrain | slaine: Thanks! | 18:03 |
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| FunkyPenguin | CosmoHill, have you got any docs on that? | 18:04 |
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| ScatterBrain | So now that I know that MeeGo uses yum, I'm assuming that the core was based on Fedora/Red Hat. Is that right? | 18:09 |
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| slaine | ScatterBrain: No | 18:09 |
| slaine | God, not this discussion again | 18:10 |
| ScatterBrain | I'm sorry. I'm a meego noob and just trying to find out more about it. | 18:10 |
| slaine | ScatterBrain: no problem. I've been listening to this for over a year since Moblin2 came out. | 18:10 |
| ScatterBrain | So is there a "history" page that I can read or something? | 18:11 |
| slaine | It's not based on Fedora, in the same way that OpenSuse usn't based on Fedora. Both use rpms. Yum And Zypper are available on MeeGo. | 18:12 |
| slaine | ScatterBrain: well, it's only a few months old, so we're making history now :) | 18:12 |
| slaine | A wiki page stating that Moblin is NOT Fedora, is not based on fedora etc., might be a good idea | 18:12 |
| slaine | I couldn't count the times I've seem people come into #moblin complaining that their moblin install was messed up because they added some Fedora packages and borked their packages | 18:13 |
| ScatterBrain | I know that Moblin and one other project merged to become meego, but that's it. | 18:13 |
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| slaine | Maemo is the other project | 18:14 |
| CosmoHill | huh | 18:14 |
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| CosmoHill | FunkyPenguin: docs for what? | 18:16 |
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| trixtur | Hello All | 18:18 |
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| trixtur | I installed MeeGo on my Dell Inspiron mini 1012 last night. It is on the list of supported netbooks | 18:20 |
| trixtur | I love the interface | 18:20 |
| trixtur | its awesome! | 18:20 |
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| davide | hi there | 18:20 |
| trixtur | hi | 18:20 |
| DeVelox | hello.. got some questions about MeeGo.. 1) is there a (or rather what is the preferred) way to connect to wireless networks with IEEE 802.1X authentication (it doesn't seem to be supported out of the box.. and manually editing wpa_supplicant.conf first comes to mind) 2) where is grub.conf? or where can I edit the boot parameters | 18:20 |
| ScatterBrain | I think once I get the wifi working, this little netbook (Dell Mini9) will be my main machine. | 18:20 |
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| ScatterBrain | Mainly because of the interface and quick boots. | 18:20 |
| slaine | ScatterBrain: that's what I use | 18:20 |
| slaine | the guide should help | 18:21 |
| slaine | if you're stuck, drop me an email | 18:21 |
| trixtur | Yeah I can't get the wifi working either | 18:21 |
| davide | can u indicate me how to install meego with othetr OS ? | 18:21 |
| ScatterBrain | slaine: I'm half-way through the guide right now. | 18:21 |
| ScatterBrain | slaine: thanks for the help offer. ;-) | 18:21 |
| trixtur | where is this guide? | 18:21 |
| townxelliot | slaine: you seem well placed to write the wiki page about "MeeGo is not Fedora etc." ;) | 18:21 |
| slaine | townxelliot: lol | 18:21 |
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| townxelliot | slaine: then when it crops up again you can just paste a link | 18:22 |
| davide | yes liks the guide please | 18:22 |
| Votan | anyone here who knows if ConnMan or MeeGo in general fnially has VPN capabilities ? (Netbook Atom edition) | 18:22 |
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| CosmoHill | hey DawnFoster | 18:22 |
| davide | nobody installa it with other OS ? | 18:22 |
| DawnFoster | hey CosmoHill | 18:22 |
| CosmoHill | can't get it to work on my laptop or mum's PC :( | 18:22 |
| koupsaa | (hard to make a rpm) | 18:23 |
| CosmoHill | it's not | 18:23 |
| CosmoHill | it's hard to make a good one :p | 18:23 |
| DeVelox | uhm, if anyone was referring to me with "the guide" advice.. and if "the guide" is help.meego.com I can assure you there is absolutely nothing helpful there.. could someone at least point me to the grub.conf file as it's not in the usual place (/boot/grub/) and I think wpa_supplicant should take care of the wifi | 18:23 |
| davide | it works from USB but I would like to innstall it, can I do it mantaining the old OS ? | 18:23 |
| * trixtur searches the forum for help on wifi issues | 18:23 | |
| CosmoHill | everytime I install one of my RPMs something breaks | 18:23 |
| DawnFoster | bummer. do they have Atom processors? | 18:24 |
| CosmoHill | nope | 18:24 |
| CosmoHill | they do have SSSE3 tho | 18:24 |
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| FunkyPenguin | CosmoHill, for messing around with the bootloader | 18:24 |
| slaine | AMD ? | 18:24 |
| koupsaa | CosmoHill, i try to make ntfs-3g rpm and gstreamer (it's remember me moblin) | 18:24 |
| DawnFoster | ah, the 1.0 netbook builds still only support a limited number of configs | 18:25 |
| CosmoHill | slaine: Intel T5730 (i think) and Intel Q9300 | 18:25 |
| DawnFoster | until people start to build it out for other platforms | 18:25 |
| DawnFoster | This give you a better idea of the types of systems it works on http://meego.com/devices/netbook/supported-hardware-platforms | 18:25 |
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| koupsaa | eepc s101 works great mms ssd | 18:26 |
| trixtur | what do you do if your device is a supported platform but the wireless doesn't work? | 18:26 |
| trixtur | :( | 18:26 |
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| davide | it works from USB but I would like to innstall it, can I do it mantaining the old OS ? | 18:26 |
| DawnFoster | trixtur: can you post something to the meego-dev mailing list or to bugs.meego.com with more details about exactly what doesn't work? | 18:26 |
| davide | DawnFoster can you help me please ? | 18:27 |
| CosmoHill | hey arjan | 18:27 |
| trixtur | DawnFoster: I'd love to... | 18:28 |
| davide | I womt to install it in my netbook but I do not want to loose my XP and Ubuntu OS | 18:28 |
| CosmoHill | davide: do you have a spare partition? | 18:28 |
| davide | no I am a beginner, so I have to create it ? | 18:28 |
| DawnFoster | davide: I've only done clean intstalls - I'm not a good person to talk about installing it in a dual boot environment | 18:29 |
| CosmoHill | hmm | 18:29 |
| airmack | davide: you can all the time install it on a different partition with no bootloader and manually set it | 18:29 |
| koupsaa | davide you can test in live (usb/cd) or choose partitions and file format (brtfs/extfs..) | 18:29 |
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| airmack | manually set the bootloader | 18:29 |
| davide | thanks to all | 18:29 |
| CosmoHill | if you use grub you can press "c" to enter command line mode | 18:29 |
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| CosmoHill | this is good if the distro isn't in the boot loader options | 18:29 |
| trixtur | DawnFoster: do you know if I need to do some kind of modprobe on the wifi device to get it to run? | 18:30 |
| CosmoHill | arjan: don't you have meego running on your mbp? | 18:30 |
| CosmoHill | trixtur: have you got your wifi working on other distros? | 18:30 |
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| trixtur | CosmoHill: This is the first time I've installed a Linux based OS on that machine | 18:31 |
| CosmoHill | hmm | 18:31 |
| trixtur | I originally bought it for my wife for school, but she is done with school now so its mine | 18:31 |
| trixtur | it was running windows 7 | 18:31 |
| CosmoHill | I'm guessing you don't have a ubuntu disc about | 18:31 |
| trixtur | I bought the inspiron mini 1012 specifically because I knew they were supposed to run MeeGo | 18:32 |
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| CosmoHill | can you give me your wifi card model? | 18:32 |
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| sivang | so what sort of user experience is there currently for N900 ? | 18:32 |
| davide | Atheros works fine | 18:32 |
| sivang | DawnFoster: "middleware layer" = ? | 18:32 |
| trixtur | CosmoHill: um...are there different models for the same device? | 18:32 |
| CosmoHill | no idea | 18:33 |
| CosmoHill | open the terminal and type "lspci" | 18:33 |
| CosmoHill | then pastebin the output | 18:33 |
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| trixtur | If not I'd assume it is the Deel Wireless 1397 802.11g Half Mini-card | 18:33 |
| hjsm | DawnFoster: It's great to see MeeGo 1.0 release yesterday. And I am looking forward to the MeeGo SDK. Any estimation? | 18:33 |
| trixtur | CosmoHill: thanks, I'll give that a try | 18:33 |
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| nacho | probably the most stupid question to ask, but how do I halt the computer without using a terminal? | 18:36 |
| CosmoHill | hmm | 18:36 |
| trixtur | CosmoHill: http://pastebin.com/7Sp5ZhSs | 18:36 |
| DeVelox | nacho: press the power button on your device? | 18:37 |
| CosmoHill | trixtur: you have a Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 | 18:37 |
| nacho | mmm, right! though, I was expecting something like ubuntu | 18:38 |
| trixtur | Damn | 18:38 |
| trixtur | CosmoHill: Broadcom is a pain in the ass | 18:38 |
| CosmoHill | trixtur: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/index.php?title=Broadcom_43xx&redirect=no | 18:38 |
| CosmoHill | this may help you | 18:38 |
| davide | hi nacho: have you installed it with ubuntu ? | 18:38 |
| DawnFoster | hjsm: the sdk is based on qt. details are here: http://meego.com/developers/meego-api | 18:39 |
| arjan | nacho: hit the power button! | 18:40 |
| nacho | davide, I removed the ubuntu I had to install it | 18:40 |
| arjan | how else would you turn a device off than with the power button ;-) | 18:40 |
| arjan | maybe we should make the shift key act like the space bar | 18:41 |
| arjan | and then tell people to not use the space bar to get a space in their text ;-) | 18:41 |
| davide | Thank you nacho | 18:41 |
| ScatterBrain | I tell you the more I use this netbook the more I'm impressed with the power of the ATOM. | 18:41 |
| davide | the user experience in meego is really fine | 18:42 |
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| hjsm | DawnFoster: I thought MeeGo SDK will be something like Nokia Qt SDK, you can download the pacakge, install and create your MeeGo application. I didn't find that info from your link. (I know Qt Creator part. I am looking for a complete package for MeeGo SDK) | 18:43 |
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| trixtur | MeeGo is 32 bit right? | 18:45 |
| arjan | trixtur: yes | 18:45 |
| arjan | I hope to investigate at least running a 64 bit kernel soon | 18:45 |
| arjan | but that's research for a next version | 18:45 |
| ScatterBrain | thank you slaine! the wifi is now working! | 18:47 |
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| FunkyPenguin | the bootloader fails to install regardless of where i choose to install it :( | 18:48 |
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| DawnFoster | hjsm: it looks like we have more info on the wiki about building the dev env using the sdk: http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux | 18:51 |
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| trixtur | There is no make inside of MeeGo? | 18:55 |
| trixtur | what a pain | 18:55 |
| hjsm | DawnFoster: I am pretty familiar with this chroot development since Moblin. Is this mean MeeGo SDK is still based on mic-chroot? I thought MADDE and QtSDK are invloved for MeeGo SDK. | 18:55 |
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| Stskeeps | isn't that url closer to a platform sdk or something? :P | 18:57 |
| w00t_ | yup | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | but not sure. | 18:57 |
| ScatterBrain | Ok, I setup two appointments for today - they show up in "myZone" like I'd expect, but they're showing up 6 hours late... | 18:57 |
| arjan | trixtur: the default image does not have software development stuff installed | 18:57 |
| ScatterBrain | meaning I made the appointment for 2:00pm, and the appointment is set for "18:00" or 6:00pm. | 18:58 |
| arjan | trixtur: yum groupinstall "Development Tools" | 18:58 |
| ScatterBrain | How do I fix that? | 18:58 |
| davide | How can I change the keybord from american to italian ? | 18:58 |
| arjan | davide: system-config-keyboard? there's also a settings thing | 18:58 |
| davide | there is no menu for this | 18:58 |
| trixtur | arjan: thanks | 18:58 |
| davide | arjan thank's | 18:58 |
| davide | r u sure ? | 18:59 |
| davide | I did not find it... | 18:59 |
| arjan | davide: it might be part of the language dialog | 19:00 |
| davide | may be, I'll try | 19:01 |
| trixtur | arjan: can I use yum to install broadcom drivers? | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 19:01 |
| arjan | only if someone has a yum repo for it | 19:01 |
| arjan | dunno if someone has | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | how are we with metrics going to be seperating user support and development on mailing list activity? | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, we're seeing support requests on meego-dev :) | 19:01 |
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| arjan | Stskeeps: just need to politely but insistently point people to the other list | 19:03 |
| arjan | and NOT answer them | 19:03 |
| arjan | because once they get answers on -dev there's no stopping | 19:03 |
| arjan | (and do answer them on the non-dev list of course) | 19:03 |
| arjan | fedora had a long history of issues with this until they became a lot more firm on enforcing the split | 19:03 |
| arjan | (politely enforcing of course) | 19:04 |
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| Stskeeps | (what other list?) | 19:04 |
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| Stskeeps | i see dev, community, l10n and sdk.. i guess we mean the forums? | 19:05 |
| arjan | I'm pretty sure there's also a "meego" list | 19:06 |
| * w00t_ knows of no such list | 19:06 | |
| Stskeeps | http://meego.com/community/mailing-lists doesn't list one at least | 19:07 |
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| DawnFoster | the user questions can be directed to the forums | 19:23 |
| DawnFoster | now, we need to get the right people monitoring the forums :) | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 19:24 |
| arjan | would be nice to have user mailing list as well | 19:24 |
| lcuk | does the qt nokia sdk beta work on meego - for cross dev direct to n900? | 19:25 |
| DawnFoster | We made the decision to separate the user requests and put those in the forum (users tend to be more comfortable with forums) while leaving all of the developer stuff on the mailing list | 19:25 |
| DawnFoster | I would like to avoid having the user stuff in 2 places where it is harder to track | 19:26 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, with users, just wait till they start setting up their own communication methods | 19:26 |
| DawnFoster | having it all on the forums also makes it easier to search for questions you know have been answered | 19:26 |
| lcuk | its like herding cats, the community will sprout up where you dont expect it | 19:26 |
| DawnFoster | always | 19:26 |
| CosmoHill | hearding cats? | 19:26 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: you have to much spare time | 19:26 |
| DawnFoster | but I only want one official place for users to submit questions | 19:27 |
| CosmoHill | and cats | 19:27 |
| DawnFoster | they can create as many other channels as they want :) | 19:27 |
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| CosmoHill | #megoo | 19:27 |
| CosmoHill | hehe | 19:27 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, whats spare time? i spent 20 hours yesterday hand holding users through updates | 19:28 |
| CosmoHill | eep | 19:29 |
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| davide | cai I installa VLC on meego ? | 19:29 |
| davide | can | 19:30 |
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| trixtur | arjan: thanks for getting me on the right track. I fixed the wifi issues | 19:42 |
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| TSCHAKeee | #magoo? :P | 19:43 |
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| ScatterBrain | The appointments widget on the "Myzone" tab is off by 6 hours. How can I fix that? | 19:48 |
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| arjan | ScatterBrain: move to the UK so that you live in UTC time ? | 19:53 |
| arjan | ;=) | 19:53 |
| ScatterBrain | arjan: funny... :) | 19:53 |
| arjan | the myzone developers do live in the UK | 19:53 |
| * arjan wonders if a bug snuck in that way :) | 19:53 | |
| lbt | we're on BST so +1 at the moment... | 19:54 |
| lbt | did you notice them all going home early though? | 19:54 |
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| realitygaps | hi guys is it possible to boot n900 meego off a microsd? | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | yes, in fact, it's only way | 20:04 |
| realitygaps | Syskeeps: does it require flashing the device? | 20:04 |
| realitygaps | Stskeeps: does it require flashing the device? | 20:05 |
| realitygaps | oops | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | no | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | you can write it to sd and then load the kernel with flasher | 20:05 |
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| realitygaps | any docs? | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900 | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | odd question, anyone who tried out the open N900 image here? | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | aren't you getting random reboots? | 20:06 |
| realitygaps | thx, didnt find that link | 20:06 |
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| DawnFoster | hjsm: it looks like the SDK image hadn't been uploaded yet when I was talking to you earlier. Hopefully, this is what you needed: http://meego.com/developers/getting-started | 20:11 |
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| DawnFoster | it's a tarball with the sdk | 20:13 |
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| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: btw, since we now have proposal that actually got approved.. should we move them somewhere else? | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | it's not so much proposal anymore :) | 20:16 |
| DawnFoster | yes we should move them | 20:17 |
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| DawnFoster | not sure exactly how it should be organized. | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: just noticed | 20:17 |
| DawnFoster | ugh, I thought someone was going to reorganize the wiki home page before the 1.0 launch - looks like it never happened. | 20:18 |
| DawnFoster | the proposals don't belong on the home page of the wiki anyway | 20:18 |
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| Stskeeps | a lot can be done with wiki homepage at least -i'm still amazed to what they did with for example http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | (looks a bit screwed up now cos of adding 'yes, we're a dead project, stop bothering us' text) | 20:20 |
| lcuk | "our hibernating goals" | 20:20 |
| sivang | so all the upcoming feature in http://meego.com/developers/meego-api are bsically developed closed source yes? | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | qt's not | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | qt mobility neither, i believe | 20:21 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: right, "MeeGo UI Framework" | 20:21 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: is what I'm curious about. | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | i'm more curious it's called like that | 20:22 |
| * sivang is highly interested in the platform development and polish | 20:22 | |
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| sivang | Stskeeps: right, I mean, just take the Hildon stuff and port it to Qt ? ;-) | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | hopefully not | 20:23 |
| sivang | anyway gotta run | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:23 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: hehe | 20:23 |
| sivang | right | 20:23 |
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| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: I bounces the wiki homepage request over to Quim. It's part of this plan to update the website: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Meego.com/May_2010_release_website_update | 20:24 |
| DawnFoster | bounced | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:24 |
| DawnFoster | we just need to figure out what was updated and make sure that someone is on the hook for the rest | 20:25 |
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| airmack | anybody got the image working in a vm? | 20:47 |
| CosmoHill | nope | 20:49 |
| CosmoHill | arjan: say's it can't be done due to the current lack of 3D graphics support | 20:49 |
| airmack | you can get that with virtualbox and the guestextension | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | isn't that part closed source and non-redistributable though? | 20:51 |
| airmack | hmm i might be mistaken | 20:52 |
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| * lcuk cries at so much talk of closed source and distribution problems and eulas and crud standing in the way of open accessible distro | 20:52 | |
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| arjan | lcuk: at least we have the chromium stuff on kernel.org and other mirrors too | 21:21 |
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| lcuk | sure arjan but to need to explain the difference is bad in itself | 21:22 |
| lcuk | just adds to confusion | 21:22 |
| arjan | no argument | 21:23 |
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| Zapp | hi everyone....just downloaded and installed meego on my 1000H and I keep loosing my wireless connection every 5 or 10 minutes, I wanna know if it's a problem with my netbook or may AP... | 21:23 |
| arjan | especially since chromium and chrome are basically fromt he same source code | 21:23 |
| arjan | Zapp: could also be your wifi driver... we've had some issues with some drivers like that | 21:24 |
| arjan | we also have some guys that have been able to fix a few drivers | 21:24 |
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| arjan | so it'd be interesting to get a bugzilla about this with details ;) | 21:24 |
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| Zapp | ok...I'll try to get a report | 21:24 |
| Zapp | actually nothing crashes so...how do I get get a bugzilla...anyway it is suposed to be plain linux so I should be able to use a linux driver...it's a Ralink RT2860...if anyone knows of a driver that works I'd be really thankful | 21:26 |
| arjan | we had to fix that guy ina few places | 21:28 |
| arjan | maybe not enough :) | 21:28 |
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| Zapp | it looks like it is already using the same module I use on my Debian.... | 21:34 |
| Zapp | those who have fixed it, what did you exactly do? | 21:34 |
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| solarion | so | 21:50 |
| solarion | how does one get started developing for meego? | 21:50 |
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| Form0 | Don't see any option for keymaps, suppose I'll have to use xmodmap? | 21:51 |
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| DawnFoster | solarion: this is the best place to start for developing apps: http://meego.com/developers/getting-started | 21:54 |
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| solarion | DawnFoster: is all of my maemo knowledge lost, or are they pretty compatible? | 21:59 |
| Stskeeps | if you did qt before, then no | 22:00 |
| * solarion has done gtk+ primarily | 22:00 | |
| solarion | not opposed to qt per se; just not had a need to learn it | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | well, there's still gtk+ but it is not hildon | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | and not recommended for development, i guess | 22:01 |
| solarion | qt has all the special meegoey goodness? | 22:01 |
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| Myrtti | WHEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeee. | 22:06 |
| Myrtti | atleast according to newspaper I've got fans. | 22:06 |
| pupnik | evening Myrtti | 22:07 |
| * pupnik waves a fan at Myrtti | 22:07 | |
| Myrtti | perhaps I should start a Facebook page people can become fans of | 22:07 |
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| pupnik | do a "fan dance" for it | 22:07 |
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| ieatfish | can you change the clock from 24 hour to 12 time? | 22:10 |
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| alterego | IS the meego v1.0 release for the N900 a fiasco image? Or just a raw fs? | 22:11 |
| Stskeeps | it's a raw fs for flashing to a mmc and a kernel | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | we don't have system in NAND anymore, except for a initrd at times or kernel | 22:13 |
| alterego | Ah, okay, so if I want to run it with qemu, I need the kernel and the image? | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | right, and a updated qemu as it's now 2.6.33 | 22:13 |
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| alterego | Stskeeps: I've been compiling qemu for N900 support from the git repo | 22:14 |
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| Stskeeps | test with qflasher then i guess | 22:15 |
| alterego | okily dokily, thanks. | 22:15 |
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| ieatfish | How does one install moblin apps on Meego, or is it not possible? | 22:28 |
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| maemouser | is meego out and in use? | 22:54 |
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| ScatterBrain | yes maemouser, version 1.0 was released yesterday. | 22:56 |
| sandstorm | can we use it on N900 ? | 22:57 |
| sandstorm | officially ? | 22:57 |
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| ScatterBrain | I don't know anything other than it being released. (noob meego user here) | 22:58 |
| sandstorm | same here hehe :) | 22:58 |
| ScatterBrain | what process keeps "myzone" in sync? | 22:58 |
| ScatterBrain | Because it appears to not be communicating with with Evolution anymore. | 22:59 |
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| dazo | sandstorm: I doubt the GUI is ready for N900 ... but if you want a basic text based terminal ... meego is perfect :-P | 23:06 |
| DawnFoster | Keep in mind that the meego 1.0 release from yesterday is for netbooks. | 23:06 |
| sandstorm | oh I see, so maybe there will be a N900 release one time hopefully | 23:07 |
| dazo | sandstorm: seriously, I read somewhere today that the "tablet" type (touch screen) stuff will come in MeeGo 1.1 ... which I'd expect N900 will depend on | 23:07 |
| TSCHAKeee | there will be | 23:07 |
| TSCHAKeee | wait a bit longer. | 23:07 |
| DawnFoster | there will be handset versions shortly | 23:07 |
| sandstorm | I am just enthusiastic about intels and nokias collaboration in MeeGo on N900 | 23:07 |
| sandstorm | sure thing, I can wait for the right time | 23:08 |
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| sandstorm | btw, what is the core of MeeGo, is it a linux kernel ? | 23:08 |
| sandstorm | or something completely new? | 23:09 |
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| DawnFoster | sandstorm - meego uses a lot of standard open source components, including the linux kernel | 23:10 |
| sandstorm | great | 23:10 |
| DawnFoster | You get many of the details here: http://meego.com/developers/meego-architecture | 23:10 |
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| sandstorm | thanks | 23:10 |
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| j0nn | hi, i cant download the meego img, do we have a torrent link? | 23:28 |
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| koupsaa | empathy crash | 23:35 |
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| ScatterBrain | Folks, love the interface. Love the intention. But 1.0 and my netbook simply aren't getting along. | 23:36 |
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| vastak | ScatterBrain, how come? | 23:37 |
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| ScatterBrain | Well, the wifi keeps dropping (BCM 4312), Suspend actually locks the machine, The touchpad keeps freezing up, and the "Myzone" page is either 6 hours late or stops working altogether. | 23:38 |
| ScatterBrain | I am a noob and I can blame myself for a lot of things, but all of those can't be me. | 23:38 |
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| newman | hi | 23:42 |
| newman | how r u | 23:42 |
| markatto | has anyone managed to get the netbook images working in virtualbox? | 23:43 |
| newman | a qs, what is the best qualified out-of-thebox netbook or labtop that is supported by meego fully | 23:43 |
| wmat | newman: http://meego.com/devices/netbook/supported-hardware-platforms | 23:44 |
| newman | cuz i ana get a new one and dont want to be dissappointed | 23:44 |
| newman | aha ok thanks ddint know about this list | 23:44 |
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| ScatterBrain | later all, time to go home.... | 23:47 |
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| j0nn | i've downloaded a corrupt .img twice today from meego.com, im looking for officially supported torrent? | 23:52 |
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| Zeikko | The lack of shortcuts in Meego is making me mad | 23:53 |
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| TSCHAKeee | different paradigm | 23:55 |
| TSCHAKeee | why do you need them? | 23:55 |
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