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| lbt | DawnFoster: FYI I can't find any problems my end ... but I send via my ISP as an exim smtp smart-host | 00:10 |
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| thiago_home | lbt: you don't get any bounces back from your ISP? | 00:11 |
| lbt | I do | 00:11 |
| lbt | but I didn't | 00:11 |
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| DawnFoster | these don't come as bouncebacks | 00:13 |
| DawnFoster | usually in the mail server logs | 00:13 |
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| DawnFoster | it gets rejected with no notice to the user | 00:14 |
| lbt | my client -> local exim which sends to ISP smtp... | 00:14 |
| lbt | so I only really see my local exim logs - I don't try to send to the ml myself | 00:15 |
| DawnFoster | do you have another outbound smtp server you can use while we finish tracking this down? | 00:15 |
| lbt | smtp.ukfsn.org FWIW | 00:15 |
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| lbt | I sent a mail on 16/May which got through | 00:16 |
| DawnFoster | weird | 00:16 |
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| DawnFoster | was it just one message that was rejected? can you try sending it again and see if it goes through | 00:20 |
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| lbt | OK | 00:21 |
| lbt | hmm, actually I sent 2 at around that time | 00:23 |
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| lbt | sent | 00:25 |
| thiago_home | SMTP delay in bouncing undelivered messages is 96 hours, usually | 00:26 |
| thiago_home | but that would mean your ISP is facing temporary delivery failures to meego.com | 00:26 |
| lbt | honestly I've given up looking at bounces due to back-scatter | 00:27 |
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| lbt | I get thousands of false ones | 00:27 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: just received one of your posts to the ml | 00:28 |
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| lbt | DawnFoster: does it say resent twice? | 00:29 |
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| DawnFoster | 2nd resend | 00:30 |
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| lbt | OK, so we can assume a glitch this morning - hmmm and I wonder... it could have been my fault.... I was tunnelling | 00:30 |
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| DawnFoster | who knows - could be on our end, too. | 00:31 |
| lbt | I'll dig - it may turn out that you've helped my uncover a but in my tunnel setup :) | 00:31 |
| DawnFoster | things aren't as stable on our end as I would like (again waiting on servers to arrive at OSU) :) | 00:31 |
| lbt | FYI, follow up to add some support for dneary's issue: http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1303 | 00:32 |
| DawnFoster | let me know if you find out where the issue originated. | 00:32 |
| lbt | will do | 00:32 |
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| lbt | 'night all | 00:38 |
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| DawnFoster | later lbt | 00:41 |
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| wazd | oh, maybe I can find some skilled 3D modellers in here? :) | 01:21 |
| pupnik | hey wazd | 01:22 |
| pupnik | what's schluppin | 01:23 |
| wazd | pupnik: hello-hello :) | 01:23 |
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| wazd | pupnik: http://conversations.nokia.com/design-by-community/ | 01:24 |
| pupnik | whoah! | 01:25 |
| pupnik | when's deadline? | 01:25 |
| pupnik | 'may'? | 01:26 |
| wazd | pupnik: well, I don't think that there is any deadline for what I want to do since it's all just for fun :) | 01:26 |
| pupnik | for me it is openpandora with a swivel/tablet lid. boom. done. | 01:27 |
| wazd | pupnik: just to design own concept out of these specs (well, throwing away crap like optical zoom and stuff) and compare it to nokias | 01:27 |
| pupnik | ah | 01:27 |
| pupnik | <- a man of simple tastes | 01:27 |
| wazd | pupnik: :) me too actually :) | 01:28 |
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| pupnik | check out N8 - beautiful device | 01:28 |
| pupnik | makes me want to put it in my pants | 01:28 |
| pupnik | add a keyboard and i'll be 500 euro poorer next year | 01:29 |
| thiago_home | N8 is Symbian | 01:30 |
| * pupnik claps slowly | 01:30 | |
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| pupnik | or how about n97 mini design? that swivel action is hot | 01:31 |
| pupnik | or tilt, whatever | 01:31 |
| wazd | pupnik: maybe but for me it moved too close to SE design guidelines :) | 01:31 |
| thiago_home | I like that better than the N900 | 01:31 |
| wazd | pupnik: n97/mini tilt keyboard is hot indeed. Too bad that that's the only hot thing in it :D | 01:32 |
| pupnik | i like the n97/mini camera, excepting the video. http://www.flickr.com/photos/arnim-s/4586759473/in/photostream/ | 01:33 |
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| bogart_ | there's a rumour device out there that looks like a cross between the N8 and the N900 | 01:35 |
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| pupnik | n900 is pretty darn close to perfect for me | 01:36 |
| tripzero | just set your expectations low, and you'll love it | 01:38 |
| wazd | pupnik: a bit thick imo :) | 01:38 |
| wazd | pupnik: tiny bit | 01:39 |
| wazd | pupnik: even for my gargantuan hands :D | 01:39 |
| pupnik | could we build sensors/buttons around the front edge bezel? on the left and right? | 01:39 |
| pupnik | 'we', what am i saying... | 01:39 |
| wazd | pupnik: well, usually there is a sreen parts under the bezel | 01:40 |
| wazd | are* | 01:41 |
| pupnik | just looking at thumbs, holding ipod touch, n900, and other phones | 01:41 |
| lcuk | pupnik, that would be uber cool and somewhere where a capacity reactioin would be amazing on | 01:41 |
| wazd | pupnik: oh, there can be extended touchscreen area, like in Pre for example | 01:42 |
| lcuk | to actually get touch/direction feedback from the bexel itself to use it like joystick | 01:42 |
| lcuk | bezel | 01:42 |
| pupnik | bingo lcuk | 01:42 |
| lcuk | i see what you are getting at :) | 01:42 |
| lcuk | would have to have underbezel lighting to be supercool | 01:43 |
| lcuk | running strip around the edge :D | 01:43 |
| pupnik | creative idea - nice | 01:43 |
| lcuk | you could then highlight different pieces in different colors ;) | 01:43 |
| lcuk | just takes some fairy lights | 01:43 |
| pupnik | i love looking at the ipod touch -- when it is OFF | 01:43 |
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| wazd | oh, and 16x optical zoom would be nice :) | 01:45 |
| lcuk | pupnik, you seen the knight rider keyboard mod? | 01:45 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3pvdFpA1II | 01:45 |
| lcuk | if not | 01:45 |
| pupnik | ty | 01:46 |
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| pupnik | oh yeah i heard about it | 01:47 |
| pupnik | looks fun :) | 01:47 |
| lcuk | its a shame they arent colored | 01:47 |
| lcuk | you have 6 big keypads | 01:48 |
| pupnik | could be useful to hilight key groups if you are using one as a d-pad for a game | 01:48 |
| lcuk | you can map the closest keys to turn on each led and use the group like an easy use macro | 01:48 |
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| pupnik | hmmmm | 01:48 |
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| pupnik | did i tell you i wore through the n900 keyboard? | 01:49 |
| lcuk | haha | 01:49 |
| pupnik | a,s,d m and k | 01:49 |
| lcuk | its your sandpaper fingers dude | 01:49 |
| lcuk | you did same to your 810 | 01:49 |
| * pupnik nods sadly | 01:49 | |
| lcuk | i think you are amongst the first lol | 01:49 |
| lcuk | ive seen a couple of other 810s that look similar to yours | 01:50 |
| pupnik | well visiting finland got me motivated a bit again | 01:50 |
| pupnik | maybe some fun things will happen | 01:51 |
| pupnik | what's news with you | 01:51 |
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| lcuk | pupnik, been busy @ work as usual, went shopping today for tracys bday pressie | 01:56 |
| pupnik | hope that went well | 01:56 |
| lcuk | better than expected lol | 01:56 |
| lcuk | parking outside john lewis saved trek through many more shops ;) | 01:57 |
| lcuk | thankfully they have enough pretty things lol | 01:57 |
| * pupnik googles that | 01:57 | |
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| lcuk | pupnik, it was almost bad tho, they put the shoes near the doors | 01:58 |
| lcuk | not content with looking on the way in she had to spend a few hours on the way out too :D | 01:58 |
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| pupnik | my gal wants a vaio-p, in purple/magenta | 01:59 |
| lcuk | has she got a pocket big enough | 02:00 |
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| pupnik | purse | 02:00 |
| lcuk | mary poppins bag! | 02:00 |
| lcuk | im surprised at the stuff tracy pulls out of hers | 02:00 |
| pupnik | i'm rather jealous of purses | 02:00 |
| lcuk | you would suit one | 02:01 |
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| pupnik | lol | 02:01 |
| lcuk | :D | 02:01 |
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| pupnik | one guy i know carries a fanny pack. i tend to prefer coats with lots of pockets | 02:01 |
| lcuk | im quite happy with my laptop bag atm hen i need extra pockets | 02:02 |
| pupnik | mhm yep | 02:02 |
| lcuk | im vanishing anyway, gnite arnim \o | 02:03 |
| pupnik | chintoe | 02:04 |
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| Vali | Hi Stskeeps | 06:38 |
| Guest57217 | Is there any document available about how to run meego on arm device | 06:39 |
| TSCHAKeee | Guest42152, documented to death on the wiki | 06:40 |
| Vali | Hi all i have Intel atom netbook is there is any detailed procedure available to load MeeGo on intel atom NetBook | 06:41 |
| Vali | ? | 06:41 |
| TSCHAKeee | documented to death on the wiki | 06:46 |
| * TSCHAKeee puts that in a macro. | 06:46 | |
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| Vali | s there any MeeGo img to run on qemu ? | 06:56 |
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| CLabel | i tried to make meego image, but it is complaining about missing dependencies: Missing Dependency: yelp is needed by package system-config-... | 08:18 |
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| CLabel | and i think it worked before, so is there problems in repository? | 08:21 |
| Stskeeps | what kickstart file did you use? | 08:21 |
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| Vali | StsKeeps : i all ways wondering like how that kickstart file is working isthere any detailed description about kickstart ? | 08:23 |
| Stskeeps | Vali: hmm, that's a good question | 08:24 |
| Stskeeps | googling around for "kickstart files" will get you somewhere | 08:25 |
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| TSCHAKeee | Stskeeps, the kickstart files floating around are a little behind the curve. | 08:25 |
| Stskeeps | TSCHAKeee: not disagreeing and personally waiting for 1.0 to clear up a lot of mess | 08:26 |
| TSCHAKeee | Stskeeps, you almost said that word again. ;) | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | which? | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:27 |
| TSCHAKeee | (you know, that 'h' word) | 08:27 |
| TSCHAKeee | heheheh | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | which one of them? :P | 08:27 |
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| TSCHAKeee | Stskeeps, hope | 08:28 |
| TSCHAKeee | heheheheh | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | ah, yes | 08:29 |
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| Stskeeps | REMINDER: we'll be having our first public sync meeting of the N900 hardware adaptation team in #meego-meeting in 30 minutes, agenda is at http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900#Next_meeting | 08:35 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm going to have a fun day it seems, loud drilling in the concrete from 7am in the morning | 08:50 |
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| jysky | sounds good | 08:51 |
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| alterego | Today, is more than likely going to be quite arduous :/ | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 10:15 |
| alterego | Work, issues with a project I'm working on. The developers are based in Isreal, so communications aren't too great. | 10:15 |
| alterego | And they're pretty incompetant. | 10:15 |
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| surya | hi guys... | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | morning | 10:27 |
| surya | any body have idea...which graphics engine is being used in meego.... | 10:27 |
| surya | gdmng stkeeps | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | well, define what you mean | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | it's a very wide question :) | 10:28 |
| surya | say chrome | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | that's a browser engine :P | 10:28 |
| surya | which grpahics library it used. | 10:28 |
| surya | meego uses chrome for netbooks | 10:28 |
| surya | right | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | but graphics engine? dunno, GL or GLES2.0 is the APIs i touch :P | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | or on qt, qgraphicsview | 10:29 |
| surya | chrome browser in meego should be using some graphics library | 10:29 |
| surya | just like in androis chrome uses skia graphics | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | not sure, you can hopefully soon look at the code and figure it out :) | 10:29 |
| surya | oh....thanks.... | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | it might also be using skia | 10:30 |
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| surya | i searched for skia in the source tree of meego...its not there | 10:31 |
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| surya | it uses cairo? | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | might | 10:42 |
| surya | hmm | 10:42 |
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| sankar | Hi | 12:17 |
| sankar | I have a question on the ofono telephony interface , if there are two applications, APP 1 and APP2, APP1 makes a succesfull call attempt with ofono stack and call is succesful, now ofono stack gets a call release request | 12:17 |
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| sankar | how does ofono stack figure out whether the release request is coming from APP1 or APP2, please help me | 12:18 |
| slaine | good question | 12:18 |
| slaine | I've never looked at ofono so can't answer | 12:18 |
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| bzhb | Hi. I compiled and install libdui and duitheme from harmattan UI framework (~ Meego Touch) | 12:19 |
| bzhb | But when i try to execute the widgetsgallery demo | 12:19 |
| bzhb | I get this message | 12:19 |
| bzhb | MRemoteThemeDaemon: Failed to connect to theme daemon (IPC) | 12:19 |
| bzhb | MThemeDaemon - base theme directory not found: /usr/local/share/themes/base/meegotouch/libmeegotouchcore/style. Please (re)install meegotouchtheme package. | 12:19 |
| bzhb | In /usr/local/share/themes/base/meegotouch/, I don't have a libmeegotouchcore repesitory | 12:19 |
| bzhb | any idea ? | 12:19 |
| slaine | however, I'm guessing that requests to the ofono stack are made via dbus, so that would be how the stack knows where the requests originiate (each app must register uniquiely on dbus to send/receive messages) | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | morn slaine | 12:20 |
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| slaine | Howdy Stskeeps | 12:20 |
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| zaheerm | sankar, i am guessing app2 doesn't know the context handle of app1's call request | 12:55 |
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| sankar | but the request is through dbus messages, there are no context handles between app and ofono | 12:56 |
| zaheerm | i am sure ofono uses something to identify the context, whether it be message source, or some other id that was replied back over dbus to the source | 12:57 |
| sankar | OK. Thanks , one more info, can I find any test applications that use the ofono telephony stack | 12:59 |
| zaheerm | ofono has examples | 12:59 |
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| sankar | those examples are python scripts, but I am looking at some applications if any | 13:01 |
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| toabctl | pohly, i'm the guy from bug http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2296 and maybe it's more easy to find the problem with irc than using email. so if you have questions about the bug, please ask. | 13:05 |
| Sage | what hapened to http://meego.gitorious.org/ ? | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | it's down, i think | 13:07 |
| pohly | toabctl: okay. See my latest questions in that bug. | 13:07 |
| pohly | We can continue the discussion here. | 13:07 |
| toabctl | pohly, i already answered your questions. | 13:08 |
| toabctl | pohly, see latest comment in the bug report. | 13:08 |
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| slaine | Stskeeps: is that going to be hosted a OSU ? | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | which, sorry? | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | gitorious stuff is best hosted at gitorious i'd think | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | local know-how and website management | 13:10 |
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| slaine | right | 13:11 |
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| pohly | toabctl: hmm, works for me here. Please start syncevo-dbus-server manually in a separate shell with SYNCEVOLUTION_DEBUG=1 set, then try again and watch for output. | 13:13 |
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| toabctl | pohly, tom@zitrone:~$ killall syncevo-dbus-server | 13:14 |
| toabctl | tom@zitrone:~$ killall syncevo-dbus-server | 13:14 |
| toabctl | syncevo-dbus-server: no process found | 13:14 |
| toabctl | tom@zitrone:~$ export SYNCEVOLUTION_DEBUG=1 | 13:14 |
| toabctl | tom@zitrone:~$ syncevolution -c --template 'SyncEvolution Client' --sync-property peerIsClient=1 N900CONFIG | 13:14 |
| toabctl | [ERROR] running the command line inside the D-Bus server failed | 13:14 |
| toabctl | tom@zitrone:~$ ps awxu|grep syncevo | 13:14 |
| toabctl | tom 4927 0.1 0.1 18312 5000 ? S 12:14 0:00 /usr/lib/syncevolution/syncevo-dbus-server | 13:14 |
| toabctl | tom 4929 0.0 0.0 3324 808 pts/1 S+ 12:14 0:00 grep syncevo | 13:14 |
| slaine | guys, might be an idea to use pastebin | 13:15 |
| pohly | I meant: run /usr/lib/syncevolution/syncevo-dbus-server manually, then the syncevolution command. | 13:15 |
| * pohly lunch | 13:15 | |
| toabctl | pohly, tom@zitrone:/usr/lib/syncevolution$ ./syncevo-dbus-server | 13:16 |
| toabctl | ./syncevo-dbus-server ready to run | 13:16 |
| toabctl | [DEBUG] No connman service available org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown | 13:16 |
| toabctl | [DEBUG] D-Bus client :1.118 has disconnected | 13:16 |
| toabctl | [DEBUG] D-Bus client :1.118 is destructing | 13:16 |
| toabctl | pohly, so syncevolution needs connman? | 13:16 |
| pohly | No, this is not a hard error. Need to go now. | 13:17 |
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| toabctl | pohly, ok. maybe we can talk later. | 13:19 |
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| XS3 | i tried installing the nokia qt sdk beta edition.but getting the following error | 13:23 |
| XS3 | 969133 | 13:23 |
| XS3 | http://pastie.org/969133 | 13:23 |
| pupnik_ | what does google say | 13:24 |
| XS3 | cant seem to find a proper solution | 13:24 |
| XS3 | i'm getting it during installation itself | 13:25 |
| XS3 | is it some dependency error? | 13:26 |
| XS3 | little help here? | 13:27 |
| stefan99 | do you have for example openssl libraries installed? | 13:28 |
| XS3 | no i dont | 13:28 |
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| stefan99 | install them and see if you get the same errors | 13:28 |
| XS3 | okay.will check it out | 13:29 |
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| Vali | Hi all where i can find the information related to list of default applications going to be support in MeeGo1.0 Release ? | 13:47 |
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| Talus_Laptop | greetings | 13:53 |
| Talus_Laptop | is there a development version of meego for n810? | 13:53 |
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| Stskeeps | would probably be easier to show off when 1.0 is out :) | 13:55 |
| Vali | ok | 13:56 |
| pohly | toabctl: the next step would be to look at dbus-monitor to trace the communication between client and server. But are you really sure that this is the syncevo-dbus-server that you compiled yourself and not something older left from previous installations? That's the only explanation that I have. | 13:57 |
| toabctl | pohly, how can i get the version of the synevo-dbus-server? | 13:58 |
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| pupnik_ | how about a project to repackage maemo5 rpms to meego | 14:02 |
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| pupnik_ | i would like to spend a couple months in tampere | 14:02 |
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| smoku | pupnik_: regarding Nokia is going to release Meego device by the end of the year, they probably finishing the repackaging now :) | 14:03 |
| pupnik_ | ah ok | 14:03 |
| pupnik_ | i gotta say it is beautiful here | 14:03 |
| pupnik_ | grow the trees a bit bigger maybe | 14:04 |
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| pohly | toabctl: only via "syncevolution --version", which will fail if the server is too old. | 14:04 |
| toabctl | $ syncevolution --version | 14:05 |
| toabctl | [ERROR] running the command line inside the D-Bus server failed | 14:05 |
| toabctl | pohly, ah. i found the problem. i build the debian package (with the git souces) but only installed syncevolution and not sync-ui (which contains syncevo-dbus-server) | 14:08 |
| toabctl | $ syncevolution --version | 14:08 |
| toabctl | SyncEvolution 1.0beta3+20100519+SE+52707ae+unclean | 14:08 |
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| toabctl | pohly, do i need syncevolution also on my n900 phone? | 14:10 |
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| pohly | That's a change in beta 3: now the command line also uses the D-Bus server. The server therefore belongs into the core package. | 14:10 |
| toabctl | pohly, or does the n900 (with maemo5) support syncml nativeliy? | 14:10 |
| pohly | You can access it via Bluetooth without installing SyncEvolution on the N900. | 14:10 |
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| pohly | You also don't need syncevo-phone-config: just use the existing N900 config template. | 14:11 |
| toabctl | pohly, how to use it? | 14:11 |
| toabctl | pohly, i have a lot of contacts in evolution and want to send these contacts to my n900 | 14:11 |
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| pohly | If you use GNOME, then use the sync-ui. It'll detect devices paired via GNOME Bluetooth and help you set up a config. For the command line, follow the instructions in http://syncevolution.org/development/sync-phone | 14:12 |
| toabctl | pohly, and with the command line? | 14:13 |
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| toabctl | pohly, the sync-ui does not follow the Interface guidelines of gnome;) | 14:13 |
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| pohly | See the first part of sync-phone, where it shows how to find the MAC address and gives you a command line to run with that information. | 14:14 |
| pohly | Regarding sync-ui: patches for GNOME (and a maintainer) are welcome. It's primarily a Moblin app. | 14:14 |
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| toabctl | pohly, ok. it works. just with: | 14:15 |
| toabctl | 1) ./syncevo-phone-config.py --bt-address=0C:DD:EF:BB:AA:FF --advanced --create-config=N900 -v | 14:15 |
| toabctl | 2) syncevolution N900 | 14:16 |
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| toabctl | pohly, great! thanks a lot! that's a feature i ever missed with all my mobile phones. and now it works! cooool:-) | 14:16 |
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| pupnik_ | is the Ux guideline for meego going to include the concept of 1) an ENTER key and 2) an escape key? | 14:24 |
| pupnik_ | IN / OUt | 14:25 |
| sx0n | depends if there is kb ? | 14:25 |
| pupnik_ | cause there is no escape key on N900 | 14:25 |
| sx0n | that's true | 14:25 |
| pupnik_ | forward back | 14:26 |
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| pupnik_ | basically our minds are keyed to physical things | 14:33 |
| pupnik_ | forward back, up down | 14:34 |
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| smoku | pupnik_: we usually use backspace for "esc" function | 14:34 |
| pupnik_ | text entry complicates that by one key | 14:35 |
| pupnik_ | but yea | 14:35 |
| smoku | well... esc has not much use in context we use backspace (text entry) and the contrary, backspace has no use in context we use esc (skipping, exiting dialogs) | 14:36 |
| smoku | so I think we can safely combine them | 14:36 |
| pupnik_ | hmm | 14:37 |
| pupnik_ | i disagree | 14:38 |
| pupnik_ | i think we need an esc in addition to backspace | 14:38 |
| smoku | example? | 14:38 |
| pupnik_ | to get OUT of text entry | 14:38 |
| smoku | just tap outside of it? | 14:39 |
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| smoku | ie. you exit text entry the same way you entered it | 14:41 |
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| pupnik__ | sorry i missed your response smoku | 16:32 |
| pupnik__ | thoop | 16:33 |
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| pupnik__ | but i think it is important for everyne to agree | 16:33 |
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| pupnik__ | that the "meta" 'get me out of this level' button | 16:34 |
| pupnik__ | is different from the "delete the lasty text i typed" button | 16:34 |
| pupnik__ | and n900 has a flaw in lacking the "get me out" button | 16:34 |
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| pupnik__ | AND such buttons must not be modal or app apecific | 16:35 |
| pupnik__ | (this huge mistake is seen, for example, in DVD menus) | 16:36 |
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| pupnik__ | WHY? Of course because content providers want to confuse users in a maze | 16:37 |
| pupnik__ | just like a food supermarket that rearranges the shelves every 4 months | 16:38 |
| pupnik__ | we can not accept such user-unfriendly design in an open OS | 16:39 |
| pupnik__ | ... or on a linux device | 16:40 |
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| Stskeeps | well, user friendly design isn't always a trademark of open stuff ;) | 16:41 |
| pupnik__ | yeah, i am looking at the N900 | 16:42 |
| timeless_mbp | slaine: fwiw | 16:42 |
| timeless_mbp | mozilla-central (which is managed by mxr) has ~42k files | 16:43 |
| timeless_mbp | meego has ~680k files | 16:43 |
| timeless_mbp | as such, indexing it is quite a bit more painful :( | 16:43 |
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| slaine | timeless_mbp: excuses, excuses ;) | 16:49 |
| timeless_mbp | slaine: yeah | 16:50 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm going to have to look into changing the indexer so that it perhaps splits things by top level directory and merges later | 16:50 |
| timeless_mbp | slaine: for reference, mxr.moego.org/os/ has opensolaris, and that data set is collectively 450k files, but the largest individual index is 130k files | 16:51 |
| timeless_mbp | 17621 timeless 25 0 1143m 1.1g 2016 R 5.1 66.8 286:50.03 genxref | 16:51 |
| timeless_mbp | :( | 16:51 |
| slaine | is any of it cached, or is it all reindexed each time a query is done | 16:51 |
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| timeless_mbp | oh, the index is a pre thing | 16:51 |
| timeless_mbp | that's what's taking 280+mins | 16:51 |
| timeless_mbp | the pages you get are not cached, but do include caching directives | 16:52 |
| timeless_mbp | i've considered adding a caching layer | 16:52 |
| timeless_mbp | but... | 16:52 |
| slaine | so index of the code base is pre generated, and when I looked at the qt source file, it was parsing it's index ? | 16:52 |
| timeless_mbp | one of my mxr's is on a box which regularly runs out of disk space | 16:52 |
| timeless_mbp | [source files] [ find index ] [ ident index ] | 16:53 |
| timeless_mbp | [ file list] [ find index of that list of files ] | 16:53 |
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| timeless_mbp | when you load a file, it loads the source file, and uses the ident index to color identifiers | 16:53 |
| timeless_mbp | when it encounters an "include" term, it uses the 'find index of that list of files' | 16:53 |
| timeless_mbp | which involves running glimpse | 16:53 |
| timeless_mbp | glimpse has a database against a single "file" with those 680k lines | 16:54 |
| slaine | and each include file that has an include .... is traversed | 16:54 |
| slaine | at that point | 16:54 |
| timeless_mbp | not traversed, but it calls glimpse again | 16:54 |
| timeless_mbp | which should use that database again | 16:54 |
| timeless_mbp | glimpse has a server mode | 16:54 |
| slaine | that's what I meant by traversed. | 16:55 |
| timeless_mbp | and it's possible that using the server mode for the include stuff would help | 16:55 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm afraid of "traversed" because i don't want you to think it reads the actual included file | 16:55 |
| timeless_mbp | or the whole file list | 16:55 |
| slaine | what does glimpse do ? | 16:55 |
| timeless_mbp | -rw-r--r-- 1 timeless timeless 2252123 May 18 00:33 .glimpse_index | 16:55 |
| timeless_mbp | -rw-r--r-- 1 timeless timeless 52411199 May 18 00:33 files | 16:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | glimpse should open its index and figure out which files match the include pattern | 16:56 |
| timeless_mbp | the index is only 2.2mb (?) which shouldn't be /too/ painful | 16:56 |
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| * timeless_mbp should try using glimpseserver for this | 16:57 | |
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| -lindbohm.freenode.net- [freenode-info] channel trolls and no channel staff around to help? please check with freenode support: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp | 17:30 | |
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| XS3 | can someone help me install qt sdk | 17:31 |
| XS3 | http://pastie.org/969133 | 17:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | slaine: try http://mxr.moego.org/maemo6/source/qt/tools/qml/qmlruntime.cpp now ? | 17:34 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm not sure if it counts as better or worse, but... | 17:34 |
| slaine | massive improvement there I'd say | 17:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok :) | 17:35 |
| timeless_mbp | i'll take that win | 17:36 |
| timeless_mbp | that's using glimpseserver | 17:36 |
| timeless_mbp | (it's the first time i can recall ever using glimpse server) | 17:36 |
| XS3 | can someone help me out with this error.getting this while installing the qt sdk http://pastie.org/969133 | 17:36 |
| XS3 | tried installing ssl.no difference | 17:36 |
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| XS3 | anybody? | 17:38 |
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| slaine | cool, Mx has hit 1.0 for the meego release | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | hmm? | 17:50 |
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| slaine | http://blogs.gnome.org/thos/2010/05/20/mx-toolkit-1-0/ | 17:52 |
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| Stskeeps | slaine: cool | 17:56 |
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| Stskeeps | morn DawnFoster - feeling better today? | 17:57 |
| DawnFoster | stskeeps: quite a bit better, thanks. I left work early, went home and drank large quantities of tea with lemon and fell asleep at 9:30 :) | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, sounds like a wise thing to do | 17:58 |
| timeless_mbp | slaine: …. (–without-clutter-imcontext –without-clutter-gesture –without-startup-notification –without-dbus | 18:00 |
| timeless_mbp | shouldn't those be —without-...? | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: i wonder if netbook UX can run on ARM | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, gles2 | 18:00 |
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| Stskeeps | i know clutter has gles2 ability | 18:01 |
| th0br0 | heya Stskeeps timeless_mbp DawnFoster | 18:02 |
| timeless_mbp | hi | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | lo th0br0 - had a good day? | 18:02 |
| th0br0 | pretty much... | 18:02 |
| th0br0 | school as always and a rather busy day :S | 18:02 |
| slaine | DawnFoster: I did similar yesterday | 18:02 |
| slaine | the tea and bed by 9:30 that is | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | kinda looking forward to july - no classes/courses/etc until october | 18:03 |
| slaine | was wiped out | 18:03 |
| th0br0 | ^^ Stskeeps | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | first time in my life where i don't have to do any classes at all | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | (doing polish classes atm, and it feels like school all over again) | 18:03 |
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| th0br0 | In theory, I would have holidays in july, too but I'll be spending my time in the states in some uh... well, "junior scholars program" | 18:04 |
| slaine | awe bless | 18:04 |
| slaine | ;) | 18:04 |
| th0br0 | awe bless` | 18:05 |
| th0br0 | ? | 18:05 |
| slaine | "junior scholars program" | 18:05 |
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| th0br0 | ah well, it's just some ... I see it as improving my english :) | 18:06 |
| th0br0 | *as an opportunity for improving | 18:06 |
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| th0br0 | but anyway... | 18:08 |
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| th0br0 | why was the meeting postponed again yesterday? | 18:09 |
| X-Fade | -ENOTIME ? :) | 18:09 |
| DawnFoster | th0br0: Imad and Valtteri wanted another week to work on a few things (project structure, roles, etc.) | 18:09 |
| th0br0 | ah ok | 18:10 |
| GAN900 | th0br0, (insert your favorite conspiracy theory here) | 18:10 |
| th0br0 | :D | 18:10 |
| GAN900 | I'm personally in favor of "because they were meeting with Redmond to port the UXes to WinMob 7". | 18:10 |
| DawnFoster | without the project structure and people defined in roles, it's hard to make progress on other decisions. | 18:10 |
| DawnFoster | GAN900: *gasp* how did you know :) | 18:11 |
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| th0br0 | :D | 18:11 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: well MS had DUI first :) | 18:11 |
| DawnFoster | On the upside, Imad and Valtteri + key team members are meeting face to face here in Portland to get this sorted out Mon - Wed next week. | 18:11 |
| GAN900 | Stray comment in a kernel patch, duh. | 18:11 |
| * Jartza is afraid of win-mob. they're coming right for us! | 18:12 | |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: you can be more conspiracy like than that.. meeting with novell which met with microsoft to get the .NET winmob 7 UI into MeeGo | 18:12 |
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| Stskeeps | running on top of mono | 18:12 |
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| timeless_mbp | we should switch to Swing :) | 18:13 |
| zaheerm | or talking about buying out novell and donating its resources to linux foundation to work solely on meego, novell seems to be opening up for bids | 18:13 |
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| * GAN900 loved the Maemo Software reaction when marketing figured out kernels in alpha SDKs could contain interesting information. | 18:13 | |
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| zaheerm | GAN900, what was the reaction? | 18:14 |
| timeless_mbp | did they react? | 18:14 |
| GAN900 | tim | 18:14 |
| th0br0 | "interesting information" ? | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: that you were single-handedly trying to bring down open source in nokia or how was it? | 18:14 |
| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, yes | 18:14 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, yeah, that one. | 18:14 |
| GAN900 | When lardman and I were googling device model numbers | 18:14 |
| GAN900 | th0br0, hardware specs. | 18:15 |
| * timeless_mbp remembers the l10n strings in the sdk leaking most things | 18:15 | |
| th0br0 | haha, ok | 18:15 |
| GAN900 | The icons were interesting too. | 18:15 |
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| * Stskeeps still remembers playing with proto n900 in copenhagen and was astonished how silent everyone kept regarding what they had seen | 18:18 | |
| Stskeeps | (no ndas involved) | 18:19 |
| th0br0 | bbl. | 18:20 |
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| timeless_mbp | slaine: fwiw, mxr is currently just trying to _index_ http://mxr.moego.org/repo2.meego.com/source/lxml-2.2.3/src/lxml/lxml.etree.c?raw=1 | 18:22 |
| timeless_mbp | that one stupid file has 144756 lines … :( | 18:23 |
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| * Stskeeps is happy the n900 hw adaptation team irc meeting went well today | 18:59 | |
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| * thiago is happy it went at all :-) | 19:03 | |
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| Stskeeps | judging by the logs/minutes, i'm getting more and more convinced there's a bug in various linux or keyboard stacks that makes it skip letters | 19:07 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 19:08 |
| ShadowJK | Stskeeps, you aren't talking about the browser, are you? | 19:08 |
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| dneary | Stskeeps, I have a bug that gives me frequent repeat letters - esp. the h | 19:08 |
| ShadowJK | (but there's also a Xorg issue that I'd hope would be fixed now 4 years later) | 19:08 |
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| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: no, terminal | 19:09 |
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| ShadowJK | dneary, that sounds like the Xorg bug I was thinking of | 19:09 |
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| dneary | ShadowJK, Cool! I thoughy it was a dirty keyboard | 19:10 |
| dneary | But it happens enough to make me think otherwise | 19:10 |
| ShadowJK | iirc the issue is/was that Xorg adds its own timestamps to input events, so if X is blocked between keydown and keyup, the timestamps are > than repeat interval | 19:10 |
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| ShadowJK | the kernel people blamed X for discarding the timestamps provided by kernel | 19:11 |
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| ShadowJK | well I've never experienced keyboard issues in x-terminal in n900, in the browser sure | 19:12 |
| dneary | ShadowJK, That could very well happen with me, I get lots of X blockages | 19:13 |
| dneary | I think there's I/O or ram issues | 19:13 |
| GAN900 | Yeah | 19:13 |
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| GAN900 | I/O is a massive, obnoxious bottleneck. | 19:14 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 19:15 |
| ShadowJK | I think PDF reader and the browser, on some sites, are just about the only things I've experienced as slow due to lack of cpu speed | 19:16 |
| ShadowJK | the rest is all I/O bottlenecked | 19:16 |
| ShadowJK | in my use | 19:16 |
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| bitkiller | watching google tv keynote....thinking about meego tv | 20:01 |
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| slaine | nod | 20:02 |
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| TSCHAKeee | I am wanting to do work on a TV UX | 20:07 |
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| TSCHAKeee | which we will use for LinuxMCE. | 20:07 |
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| slaine | TSCHAKeee: "a TV UX" would surely mean that you could be doing it now | 20:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | i am coming to grips with clutter and mx | 20:10 |
| slaine | they rock | 20:11 |
| TSCHAKeee | they do indeed | 20:11 |
| slaine | but I would have thought Qt was the future | 20:11 |
| TSCHAKeee | and until some more things are decided | 20:12 |
| TSCHAKeee | i will stick with clutter | 20:12 |
| slaine | I'm looking at doing something similar for our set top box project | 20:12 |
| TSCHAKeee | slaine, you've seen the LinuxMCE project? | 20:12 |
| slaine | not for a while | 20:12 |
| TSCHAKeee | ok | 20:13 |
| TSCHAKeee | if you've seen it in the last year, you've seen it | 20:13 |
| TSCHAKeee | i'm about to embark on a research project to juxtapose our stack atop MeeGo. | 20:13 |
| slaine | yeah, you mentioned that recently. interesting idea | 20:14 |
| TSCHAKeee | right now, i have everyone including me building little toys etc in clutter | 20:14 |
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| slaine | it's good fun alright | 20:14 |
| TSCHAKeee | yes. | 20:14 |
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| TSCHAKeee | but i am trying to get some concrete ideas upon which to build a plan | 20:14 |
| TSCHAKeee | because I do _NOT_ like waterfalling | 20:14 |
| TSCHAKeee | i've seen entire projects hit huge brick walls | 20:15 |
| TSCHAKeee | because they waterfalled to some theoretical point. | 20:15 |
| TSCHAKeee | without actually checking to see if it was somewhat doable. | 20:15 |
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| slaine | TSCHAKeee: very true | 20:24 |
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| slaine | anyway, time to head | 20:26 |
| slaine | might be on later | 20:26 |
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| thiago_home | lcuk: no | 22:01 |
| thiago_home | lcuk: I set my nickname to "thiago_clone" because I had the laptop in the office | 22:02 |
| thiago_home | I changed back, but Nickserv didn't like me :-P | 22:02 |
| lcuk | heh nickserv is a bit mean | 22:02 |
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| thiago_home | I do | 22:06 |
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| lbt | Hmmm ... the meego obs has closed down access to the meego community obs.... oh, well... | 23:54 |
| pupnik_ | was it abused? | 23:56 |
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| lbt | no, private evaluation instance... just me and X-Fade | 23:57 |
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| lbt | DawnFoster: ping... you know you removed and re-added my blog feed.... well, the first bit worked ;) | 23:58 |
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| DawnFoster | I think it's having a hard time with the blogger feeds. | 23:59 |
| DawnFoster | We're going to move over to another planet system, so hopefully it will work there. | 23:59 |
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