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| Guest32134 | MeeGo Using Btrfs As Default File-System | 08:48 |
| Guest32134 | the same file-system to the nand? | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | doubt it | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | besides that, we don't really run on nand | 08:50 |
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| Guest32134 | the handset device will usually be based on nand flash,so which file-system is the suitable one? | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | actually, most handsets are moving to be SD based these days | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | as 256mb is too constrained for smartphone like systems | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | with apps and so on | 08:52 |
| TSCHAKeee | i tried to get mer running on a geode gx | 08:53 |
| TSCHAKeee | that was a disaster | 08:53 |
| TSCHAKeee | hahahahahaha | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | really? | 08:53 |
| sankar | Hi All, I have a few questions on the ofono framework in meego | 08:53 |
| TSCHAKeee | i am trying to squeeze it onto a system with 512 megs of flash | 08:53 |
| TSCHAKeee | and without reworking all the plumbing to use a squashfs | 08:53 |
| TSCHAKeee | and aufs | 08:53 |
| markatto | isn't geode x86? | 08:53 |
| TSCHAKeee | i dunno how i am gonna pull it off | 08:53 |
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| TSCHAKeee | markatto, geode gx is basically i486 | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 08:53 |
| TSCHAKeee | there is some i586 | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | so ubuntu probably doesn't like it | 08:54 |
| sankar | I downloaded the source code from the web site and tried to build it. | 08:54 |
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| TSCHAKeee | but it is one hell of a landmine | 08:54 |
| TSCHAKeee | illegal instructions where you least expect it | 08:54 |
| sankar | the build is happening succesfully, but the drivers /plugins are not getting loaded | 08:54 |
| sankar | can some one proivide help | 08:54 |
| TSCHAKeee | now if the device were geode LX | 08:54 |
| TSCHAKeee | i would not have this problem | 08:54 |
| TSCHAKeee | i'm going to go drill holes in my skull with an ice pick now, to relieve the stress | 08:55 |
| TSCHAKeee | :P | 08:55 |
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| markatto | What is really the point of geode these days? I know some embedded systems use them, but wouldn't mips or arm be better choices in most cases? | 08:55 |
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| TSCHAKeee | markatto, i am trying to make one last release of LMCE PadOrbiter for the WebDT 366 | 08:56 |
| TSCHAKeee | and wanted to shift it to a nice tablet UI | 08:56 |
| TSCHAKeee | but i'm just going to drop it | 08:56 |
| TSCHAKeee | i can't push the hardware any further | 08:56 |
| TSCHAKeee | geode is a flaming pile of donkey dung. | 08:57 |
| markatto | well I know that geode got popular because it is cheap and runs windows | 08:57 |
| markatto | but most of the time you don't really want to run windows | 08:57 |
| TSCHAKeee | you can short ram sockets with dead rats and run windows, what's your point? ;) | 08:58 |
| TSCHAKeee | i'm kidding | 08:58 |
| TSCHAKeee | ;) | 08:58 |
| markatto | arm is faster, mips is cheaper | 08:58 |
| TSCHAKeee | yes and yes | 08:58 |
| markatto | I rarely understand hardware companies though | 08:58 |
| TSCHAKeee | but all the tablets that are palatable | 08:58 |
| TSCHAKeee | are 3-6 months away | 08:58 |
| TSCHAKeee | and that's assuming i can get enough drivers to use all the features | 08:59 |
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| markatto | but hopefully cortex-a9 stuff is worth waiting for | 08:59 |
| TSCHAKeee | i hope so, I love OMAP | 08:59 |
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| TSCHAKeee | I am wanting to get enough reference hardware to do tablet UX research work on them. | 09:00 |
| markatto | i read that global foundries is going to be doing an a9 chip on 28 nm | 09:00 |
| markatto | sexy | 09:00 |
| TSCHAKeee | nice | 09:00 |
| jysky | thats tight ass! | 09:00 |
| markatto | yeah | 09:01 |
| markatto | tegra 250 should be hitting pretty soon | 09:01 |
| TSCHAKeee | really, as long as we can get decent hardware, with drivers that don't require us to sell too much of our souls...i'll be happy. | 09:01 |
| markatto | i dunno about omap4 stuff | 09:01 |
| TSCHAKeee | omap4 stuff is still in the vendor eval stages at most places | 09:01 |
| markatto | i'm hoping for an omap4 beagleboard | 09:01 |
| TSCHAKeee | that will be sometime after the XM | 09:01 |
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| markatto | the other exciting thing is of course meego ;) | 09:02 |
| markatto | a mobile linux os without all the java crap and bizzare security model | 09:02 |
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| markatto | I tried to get excited about android, but it's not the unix that I know and love | 09:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | would kill for a good eval board with an a8, touchscreen/display controller, wifi/nic... | 09:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | to base a tablet on. | 09:04 |
| markatto | TSCHAKeee: The touchbook people sound like they're open to sharing their designs | 09:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | i am glad that the touchbook people have a really sound design | 09:04 |
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| TSCHAKeee | right now, they're at a standstill while they are doing the production work on their "next big thing" | 09:05 |
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| markatto | the touchbook looks very innovative, i hear bad things about the execution | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | sound design? bullcrap | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:05 |
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| TSCHAKeee | Stskeeps, am I missing something? most likely. | 09:05 |
| markatto | TSCHAKeee: hopefully "next big thing" means tegra 2 + actually works? | 09:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | i hadn't seen a touchbook | 09:06 |
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| TSCHAKeee | so i do not know how well it actually works | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | TSCHAKeee: it is a bit amateurishly made and breaks a little too easily :P | 09:06 |
| TSCHAKeee | ah | 09:06 |
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| sankar | when I build the ofono telephony stack, does the driver components get built? | 09:06 |
| sankar | and loaded as a shared library? | 09:07 |
| TSCHAKeee | industrial design is a tough nut. | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | sankar: #ofono might be able to help too :) | 09:07 |
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| TSCHAKeee | holy mother, that PR 1.2 thread is going to break 6,000 by the end of the weekend | 09:12 |
| TSCHAKeee | *shake-head* | 09:12 |
| jysky | :D | 09:12 |
| jysky | and still no timetable for release? | 09:13 |
| TSCHAKeee | hahahaha | 09:14 |
| TSCHAKeee | no, it's been said over and over again, | 09:15 |
| TSCHAKeee | but if you want to piss off the nokia people in here, go ahead | 09:15 |
| TSCHAKeee | ;) | 09:15 |
| jysky | :D | 09:15 |
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| jysky | i like their attitude. "when it's done" | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | testing takes time and bugs are more bad press than delays | 09:16 |
| jysky | ofcourse the child in me is waiting it like xmas, but still, they want to make it good | 09:16 |
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| thiago | TSCHAKeee: let's bet on how big it will be when PR1.2 is released | 09:29 |
| TSCHAKeee | 8,800 posts | 09:30 |
| thiago | where is it now? | 09:30 |
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| TSCHAKeee | th0br0, 5,915 | 09:39 |
| TSCHAKeee | thiago, 5,915 | 09:39 |
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| TSCHAKeee | it went up 15 posts in the last 20 minutes | 09:39 |
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| stefan99 | alot of people waiting for patches just for the waiting :), when pr1.2 comes out and if 1.3 is announced, the same people will start all over again, forgetting 1.2 and wanting 1.3 | 09:52 |
| stefan99 | pretty fun actually :) | 09:52 |
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| TSCHAKeee | thiago, http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=82177 ... it's all a matter of perspective. | 10:00 |
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| jysky | naturally, that's evolution | 10:04 |
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| jysky | hmm. btw. has anyone idea why n900 filemanager can't remove files on microsd card | 10:12 |
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| slaine | morning all | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | morn slaine | 10:40 |
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| Stskeeps | morn dneary | 11:09 |
| dneary | moin | 11:09 |
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| pupnik | who thinks Intel has any chance at designing an x86 cpu that can compete with TI/Arm in performance / power consumption | 11:13 |
| pupnik | and why.. | 11:13 |
| jysky | i don't think x86 compatiple processor can truly compete with modern mobile processor | 11:14 |
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| pupnik | seems to be the consensus opinon | 11:15 |
| pupnik | just wondering if any Intel folks here want to challenge that | 11:15 |
| thiago | pupnik: I think intel folks here are sleeping | 11:15 |
| jysky | well. maybe they know something that we don't. as i'm no processor expert, i might not be the best judge if it is possible | 11:16 |
| thiago | besides, Intel obviously think they can | 11:16 |
| thiago | otherwise they wouldn't have started down this path | 11:16 |
| thiago | and if they know something you don't, they're not going to tell you | 11:16 |
| pupnik | http://www.google.com/search?q=%22who+gave+us%22+segment%2Foffset+8088 | 11:17 |
| pupnik | they have a lot to answer for | 11:17 |
| jysky | maybe they just believe that power consumption with mobile devices is just going to grow, and at somepoint they can have more performance out of same power consumption | 11:17 |
| pupnik | and they are awake | 11:17 |
| RST38h | Nooo, we are not going to tell you! Never! | 11:18 |
| * RST38h cackles evilly | 11:18 | |
| jysky | :D | 11:18 |
| thiago | pupnik: that google search's first result is an IRC log of #maemo of you asking this question | 11:18 |
| pupnik | funny, eh | 11:19 |
| thiago | in other words, there is nothing to answer for | 11:19 |
| jysky | i mean what's with n900. sunday i went to sport bar watch monaco gp. i took ssh connection to my linux box and atached a screen where i have this irssi running. i got barely 2,5h usage with 3,5G network | 11:19 |
| RST38h | Frankly, given the latest trend in Cortex SoCs power consumption, I believe that ARM will meet Intel half-the way toward power meltdown | 11:19 |
| thiago | jysky: that's not the processor | 11:19 |
| thiago | that's the radio turned on | 11:20 |
| RST38h | Where OMAP2 phone can stay up for weeks (with radios off), OMAP3 based N900 only makes it through 1-1.5 days (radios off) | 11:20 |
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| * pupnik passes fruity oaty bars around to make-up. | 11:20 | |
| jysky | yeah. but still. devices just use more and more power without any good advances in battery capasity | 11:20 |
| RST38h | So, while Intel SoCs will go down in power consumption, CortexA* SoC will go up | 11:21 |
| jysky | i've done easily over 2 days with n900 with 3G on, but no data connections at all | 11:21 |
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| RST38h | jysky: Kinda hard to believe | 11:21 |
| pupnik | RST38h: yeah, no argument there | 11:21 |
| jysky | basicly i really didn't touch the phone. but it did last that long | 11:21 |
| * RST38h cannot test as he uses his N900 on regular basis. Cannot put it down and leave it for 2 days | 11:21 | |
| * thiago keeps 3G off | 11:22 | |
| thiago | RST38h: weekends | 11:22 |
| pupnik | jysky: that is not repeatable by me. worst i can get is 4 hours | 11:22 |
| RST38h | thiago: Yea, right... | 11:22 |
| thiago | during the week, my N900 battery lasts a day and a half, maybe less if I'm in conference calls | 11:22 |
| jysky | strange how much variation there is | 11:22 |
| thiago | during the weekend, it seems to last without a problem | 11:22 |
| thiago | after turning off the auto-login to wifi | 11:22 |
| pupnik | jysky: there's a battery monitor script - you can log your usage in millamps and see what triggers it | 11:23 |
| RST38h | Use BatteryGraph | 11:23 |
| RST38h | It is mighty cool | 11:23 |
| jysky | data connection's seem to be the killer. there is noticable difference between radio on but no data connection and with data connection. even though all the device does it is idling | 11:23 |
| jysky | it's like nokia E51 all over again. simple firmware upgrade made huge differences with that device. on idling dataconnection power consumption | 11:25 |
| thiago | I'd rather it turned wifi off | 11:25 |
| thiago | if there's nothing being transmitted, turn it off | 11:25 |
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| Tumi_ | anyone have idea how to record a phone call on meego, or is there a way to do it? | 11:42 |
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| Tumi_ | my comment about n900 and battery life : if you are offline and have no applications running, you should be able to get 2-3 days battery life easily | 11:45 |
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| pupnik | thiago: it does | 11:46 |
| Tumi_ | if you are online and messaging application plugins on (worst case skype or msn) then you're doomed | 11:46 |
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| Tumi_ | and there are huge amount of variation in power consumption in different networks. where I live the consumption is much higher than in helsinki for example. | 11:47 |
| thiago | I'm not online anywhere | 11:48 |
| thiago | there's nothing visible doing networking | 11:48 |
| thiago | so I don't know why it doesn't power the wifi off | 11:48 |
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| pupnik | thiago: just because wifi icon is on doesn't mean it is using power or transmitting | 11:51 |
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| Tumi_ | thiago: but you have "Network connection: not connected" ? | 11:53 |
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| thiago | Tumi_: no, it shows my wifi's SSID | 11:55 |
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| jysky | yeah it's transmiting. keeping connection alive | 11:57 |
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| Tumi_ | thiago: wifi is not familiar to me... but if you disconnect it, nothing happens? | 12:03 |
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| thiago | Tumi_: it disconnects | 13:07 |
| thiago | but comes back on later | 13:07 |
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| Tumi_ | thiago: well that's weird.. what software version you have? | 13:34 |
| Tumi_ | settings / about product | 13:35 |
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| Tumi_ | I guess you must disable it from settings / Internet connections / connect automatically | 13:37 |
| Tumi_ | for me wlan is not taking that much current if power options are enabled | 13:38 |
| jysky | yeah, wlan is not the powerhog as 3G is | 13:39 |
| Tumi_ | but that also might depend on the wireless router you have | 13:39 |
| jysky | and afaik 4G will be even worse for batterylife | 13:39 |
| Tumi_ | the problem with 3g is that there are hundreds of old 3g stations that do not implement power saving proprerly and that leads to radio staying on for long periods even if you transfer few bytes of data | 13:40 |
| Tumi_ | so like skype plugin causes it to be on almost all the time, as it is periodically sending small packages | 13:41 |
| Tumi_ | jysky: depends on which 4g technology you talk about | 13:41 |
| Tumi_ | LTE should be very scalable in power-efficiency | 13:41 |
| Tumi_ | but again it might be that not all stations support everything so time will show | 13:42 |
| jysky | well. atleast those experimental 4G networks that teliasonera has built in stockholm and helsinki? | 13:42 |
| Tumi_ | I can imagine =) | 13:43 |
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| Tumi_ | you know. it's all about the throughput ;) | 13:43 |
| Tumi_ | even latencies don't matter to most even if it's the most crucial (imho) in most networking operations people do | 13:44 |
| Tumi_ | well. for warez people it might not be. :D | 13:44 |
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| XS3 | how can i contribute to meego?is there a sdk? | 17:01 |
| macron | What do you want to do? | 17:02 |
| XS3 | create apps | 17:02 |
| XS3 | do we do it using qt itself? | 17:02 |
| macron | Qt is the application framework, so get started you can get familiar with the Qt SDK | 17:03 |
| XS3 | after that? | 17:03 |
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| XS3 | i know a bit of Qt programming. | 17:03 |
| macron | If you want to get more into embedded development there is the Nokia Qt SDK - Beta available from forum.nokia.com. It has most of the elements that will be in the Meego Qt SDK for application developers. | 17:04 |
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| XS3 | not very interested in embedded | 17:04 |
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| macron | (You can choose not to install the Symbian elements at the start by selecting the custom installation). | 17:04 |
| XS3 | while installing Qt? | 17:05 |
| macron | The embedded in this case = mobile handset (such as the Meego Handset, or N900). | 17:05 |
| XS3 | oh okay | 17:05 |
| macron | If you install Qt SDK you do not get MADDE and the tools used to stimulate the handset, or the tools used for on-device-debugging for the handset. | 17:06 |
| macron | The Nokia Qt SDK - Beta has these tools. | 17:06 |
| XS3 | okay | 17:06 |
| XS3 | http://qt.nokia.com/products/platform/qt-for-embedded-linux | 17:06 |
| XS3 | i download it from here? | 17:06 |
| macron | 1 sec. | 17:07 |
| XS3 | which version do i download?the embedded one or the linux/x11 version? | 17:07 |
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| macron | Get it from here: http://www.forum.nokia.com/Tools_Docs_and_Code/Tools/IDEs/Nokia_Qt_SDK/ | 17:08 |
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| macron | It does not come with the desktop Qt, so if you want to use it then you need to get it separately. | 17:09 |
| XS3 | thanks a bunch | 17:09 |
| macron | You're welcome. | 17:09 |
| XS3 | can i do a install even if after having Qt 4 already installed | 17:09 |
| XS3 | ? | 17:09 |
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| macron | Yes, AFAIK it just means that it should find the Qt libraries you already have installed. | 17:10 |
| XS3 | oh okay | 17:10 |
| XS3 | its got an inbuilt simulator too? | 17:11 |
| XS3 | can the projects be exported? | 17:11 |
| macron | It simulates the Qt APIs for the device, so it is not a full device simulator - only Qt API simulator. | 17:11 |
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| macron | What do you mean exported? Do you mean packaged for a device? | 17:11 |
| XS3 | i didnt get the API part | 17:12 |
| XS3 | and yes,was talking about packaging it for a device | 17:12 |
| macron | The simulator only "fakes" the device Qt APIs, there are some of the internal APIs, such as gstreamer which are not part of the simulator. | 17:12 |
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| XS3 | okay.got it | 17:13 |
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| macron | There is no support for device packaging yet, for the N900 there is some documentation on maemo.org. | 17:13 |
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| XS3 | okay.once the stable release comes out,it will work fine then? | 17:13 |
| macron | You can however install software on the device from your PC, AFAIK it requires using a MADDE terminal. | 17:14 |
| XS3 | device as in N900 right? | 17:14 |
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| macron | Yes, it is the one I know. | 17:14 |
| XS3 | okay | 17:14 |
| XS3 | thanks again | 17:14 |
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| XS3 | will check it out and get back if i have any doubts | 17:14 |
| macron | I will have to check out about the "Make Package" button, it will take some time though. | 17:15 |
| macron | (The development I mean). | 17:15 |
| XS3 | okay | 17:15 |
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| macron | XS3: I have to go know, but good luck, I hope to see/hear you later. | 17:17 |
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| th0br0 | mh, is it wise to use RHBLs? | 19:05 |
| th0br0 | *RHSBLs? | 19:05 |
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| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: no agenda yet? | 19:16 |
| th0br0 | heya Stskeeps | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | moo | 19:17 |
| DawnFoster | Stskeeps - I think we're going to push the TSG out a week, but I'm waiting on confirmation. | 19:18 |
| th0br0 | again? o.O | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | fair enough | 19:19 |
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| GAN900 | lol | 19:24 |
| GAN900 | Nokia can't make meetings, Intel can't make meetings | 19:24 |
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| Stskeeps | at least i have a shot at being fresh for the 8am n900 meeting then | 19:25 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, could we try to ensure that meetings are finalised 24 hours before the date | 19:26 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: you would not believe how hard I try to make that happen | 19:27 |
| DawnFoster | I started working on the agenda last Friday, but ultimately Imad & Valtteri make the final decision on the agenda and the meeting | 19:27 |
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| * lcuk watches the google io webcast instead | 19:31 | |
| * frals googles lcuks webcast instead of io | 19:32 | |
| * lcuk ios frals instead the webcast watch | 19:35 | |
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| PocketIRC | meego | 19:46 |
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| tripzero | meeego | 19:55 |
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| DawnFoster | Random trivia: Most common search misspellings of MeeGo include: megoo (777), meegoo (444), mee go (297), mmego (90) | 19:56 |
| DawnFoster | numbers in parentheses are the times that people misspelled it in search queries for April | 19:57 |
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| mmeeks | anaZ: dudie ? | 19:59 |
| anaZ | huh | 19:59 |
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| mmeeks | anaZ: msg :-) | 20:00 |
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| lcuk | DawnFoster, :D where did the search results come from? | 20:06 |
| CosmoHill | hey lcuk and DawnFoster | 20:06 |
| lcuk | hey CosmoHill \o | 20:06 |
| CosmoHill | after dinner someone's gonna have to force me to go back to work :/ | 20:07 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: from google analytics on the main website. | 20:07 |
| lcuk | ahh cool beans | 20:07 |
| CosmoHill | I seem to have missed something interesting | 20:08 |
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| CosmoHill | hehe "me goo" | 20:11 |
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| lbt | world of meegoo | 20:14 |
| fiferboy | lbt: World of Goo should be ported to meego just on the basis of that awesome name | 20:15 |
| lbt | hi fiferboy.... how's things :) | 20:16 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Things are going very well right now. You? | 20:16 |
| lbt | good to hear ... :D yep, really happy | 20:16 |
| lbt | just landed from Hel though | 20:16 |
| lbt | hey, who do you work for now? | 20:17 |
| lbt | did the nomovok thing come through? | 20:17 |
| panaggio | amigo (friend in Portuguese, it's something like "a meego") | 20:17 |
| lbt | fiferboy: back l8r... Denise is calling | 20:17 |
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| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: is the idea to have two consecutive meetings (ie, two wednesday in a row)? | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | (if everything goes well, you never know with meetings :) | 21:20 |
| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: honestly, I have no idea :) | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 21:20 |
| DawnFoster | I'm going to try to figure out a better process for the TSGs when we have Imad & Valtteri together here in Portland next week. | 21:20 |
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| Stskeeps | hopefully much of the load would be diverted downwards to WGs and such soon | 21:21 |
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| Stskeeps | so they can go back to steering and providing direction and resolving disputes :) | 21:21 |
| DawnFoster | exactly. In absence of a documented project structure, people are trying to push way to many decisions up to the TSG that belong at a lower level in the project | 21:22 |
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| DawnFoster | TSG should be for big decisions and escalations | 21:22 |
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| DawnFoster | not approval for every little thing | 21:22 |
| DawnFoster | (my opinion) :) | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i agree | 21:22 |
| lbt | *nod* ... I would like a simple statement saying "of course policy as described on the wiki is mandatory - go deal with it" | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | i get beaten by anas if i don't do proper packaging, at least, so it does exist to some extent | 21:26 |
| lbt | good anaZ | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | (in a good way) | 21:27 |
| lbt | hmmm it should be a fairly severe beating... I'll have to talk to him | 21:27 |
| lbt | the problem is that you have no way of knowing what's good or bad | 21:27 |
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| lbt | I'm trying to write an rpm-lintian type thing ... but I need a specification | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | why not extend upon rpmlint? | 21:28 |
| lbt | that's the plan | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | not having your package build if you mess up is a pretty good motivator :) | 21:29 |
| lbt | this is all laying groundwork to support some QA frameworks | 21:29 |
| DawnFoster | In general, when we have the project structure better defined with the names of people responsible, we'll be in a better position to finalize and enforce our policies / processes | 21:29 |
| Stskeeps | hopefully it's soon - it's been underway for so long | 21:31 |
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| * lbt is going for the "JFDI" approach :) | 21:31 | |
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| Stskeeps | i think 'hope' is actually one of the top scorers of words in here if we cut away the typical words | 21:32 |
| * lbt just went into #m-m.... and read the topic... | 21:32 | |
| lbt | and doesn't know what to say | 21:33 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: don't shoot the messenger :) | 21:33 |
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| lbt | "more time for ice-cream" springs to mind... | 21:33 |
| DawnFoster | it means that I can actually take a lunch break - not that I'll actually leave my desk, but I *could* :) | 21:34 |
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| * lbt notes... gently... that a fair few other people - volunteers - make plans to be here for this meeting | 21:35 | |
| TSCHAKeee | when is it? | 21:35 |
| TSCHAKeee | i'm bad with time zones | 21:35 |
| TSCHAKeee | :P | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | next week | 21:35 |
| lbt | <grin> ... not this bad ! | 21:35 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: I know - I drove for 45 minutes to come into the office despite being sick just for the TSG | 21:36 |
| slaine | and it's canceled ? | 21:36 |
| * Stskeeps passes DawnFoster some hot tea | 21:36 | |
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| lbt | DawnFoster: I am not shooting you... sorry if it read that way :) | 21:37 |
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| slaine | lbt, we've probably been given a nice clue as to when 1.0 for netbooks will be released ;) | 21:38 |
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| lbt | mrs lbt says "no, no no....." as her mouse pointer fails to respond | 21:38 |
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| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: at least we have free tea here in the office (not as good as my tea at home, but pretty good) | 21:38 |
| lbt | then, in desperation, she lifts up the mouse to see if it's glowing red | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: 'may' is running out of time isn't it? :P | 21:38 |
| lbt | it is... <slump> | 21:38 |
| slaine | and 26th is a nice date | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | i wouldn't mind time slowing down a bit, the last 4 months have just flown away on meego and maemo | 21:39 |
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| slaine | awe well, if there's no meeting, I'll go and spend some time with my kids | 21:40 |
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| slaine | catch you all tomorrow | 21:40 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: No, Nomovok seemed interested and then stopped contacting me after weeks of follow-ups | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | glad to see you have a job though | 21:46 |
| Tm_T | fiferboy: uh, not nice | 21:46 |
| fiferboy | Stskeeps: Me too! | 21:46 |
| Tm_T | fiferboy: from what location your were supposed to work for them btw? | 21:47 |
| fiferboy | Tm_T: Well I'm in Canada, but discussion didn't get too far | 21:48 |
| Tm_T | ah, roger | 21:48 |
| * Tm_T happens to know that company from somewhere | 21:48 | |
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| * Stskeeps 's pretty happy with nomovok but getting in in the first place is always difficult | 21:50 | |
| thiago_home | Stskeeps: you work for novomok? | 21:51 |
| Tm_T | Stskeeps: they have great workers, I have noticed (; | 21:51 |
| * thiago_home has noticed too | 21:52 | |
| Stskeeps | thiago_home: no, subcontracting | 21:52 |
| thiago_home | I have a couple of patches left to review | 21:52 |
| thiago_home | Stskeeps: you're subcontracting to novomok? | 21:52 |
| RST38h | wazd: Fringe at 3C next month | 21:52 |
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| Stskeeps | evening tekojo | 21:53 |
| tekojo | evening Stskeeps! | 21:53 |
| lbt | hey tekojo ... whens the OBS coming? ;) | 21:53 |
| tekojo | lbt which one :D | 21:54 |
| wazd | RST38h: where? :) | 21:54 |
| lbt | we need more than one? .... oh yes... | 21:54 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: bug 615 bugs.meego.com could need some input btw | 21:54 |
| tekojo | I need to call a meeting on that topic, figure out the server topology | 21:54 |
| wazd | hello people btw | 21:54 |
| Stskeeps | lo wazd | 21:54 |
| * Tm_T bows | 21:55 | |
| tekojo | hello | 21:55 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: the #meego bot needs work... | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | indeed | 21:55 |
| fiferboy | Hi wazd | 21:55 |
| wazd | fiferboy: wow! long time no see Andrew :) | 21:56 |
| wazd | fiferboy: how's it going? :) | 21:56 |
| tekojo | lbt seriously the hardware is still on it's way, 2-3 weeks is the guess | 21:56 |
| fiferboy | wazd, I am still alive and everything is going very well right now | 21:56 |
| * lbt hunts... | 21:56 | |
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| lbt | tekojo: http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging/School | 21:57 |
| lbt | we haven't got long... | 21:57 |
| wazd | fiferboy: any new crazy maemo apps to design? :) | 21:57 |
| lbt | that's a "train the community to use the community OBS" event BTW... | 21:58 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: on a sidenote, i'm tracking #meego-meeting with logs now too, so we can make the statistics on participants/etc | 21:58 |
| tekojo | lbt hardware could just make it I guess | 21:58 |
| fiferboy | wazd: I uploaded a couple of new versions of my old apps today | 21:58 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: and see how the build up to a meeting happens, etc | 21:58 |
| lbt | so the community OBS is a bit of a pre-req ;) | 21:58 |
| fiferboy | wazd: If they ever release PR 1.2 I might have some Qt apps to upload as well | 21:59 |
| tekojo | kind of :) | 21:59 |
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| lbt | tekojo: it was a stake in the ground and a target. | 21:59 |
| lbt | it's a wiki... we can edit the date | 21:59 |
| tekojo | lbt good stake, but hardware delivery is a tricky business | 21:59 |
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| dneary | DawnFoster, Do you also have capitalisation stats for misspellings? | 22:00 |
| dneary | My bet is that Meego's more popular than the correct MeeGo | 22:00 |
| thiago_home | DawnFoster: TSG is every 2 weeks. The next one is moved to next week. | 22:00 |
| tekojo | I mean this time we actually went out and bought blades, now apparently someone is melting sand to make silicon... | 22:00 |
| wazd | fiferboy: shhhh, don't disturb gods :D | 22:00 |
| thiago_home | is the one after that in 2 weeks, or 3? | 22:00 |
| lbt | Ramez has been working on getting the nokia internal 'training' material public | 22:00 |
| DawnFoster | Thiago_home: the next TSG will be on May 26. We're still working on process and schedule for the meetings. | 22:00 |
| DawnFoster | not sure when the next one after May 26 will be. | 22:00 |
| lbt | dneary: woohoo ... more capiTaliSation nitpicking \o/ | 22:01 |
| tekojo | lbt that sounds good, no sense keeping it inside | 22:01 |
| thiago_home | ok | 22:01 |
| * thiago_home leaves his calendar entry for every 2 weeks | 22:01 | |
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| * lbt spots an off-by-one issue for thiago_home | 22:01 | |
| dneary | tekojo, Do you have any suggestions to make for the brainstorm, by the way? | 22:01 |
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| dneary | It'd be great to get your input on where things should be in 6 months | 22:02 |
| dneary | Oops - sorry - wrong channel :) | 22:02 |
| tekojo | dneary was locked in a meeting room all day, not really in the place to read those | 22:02 |
| dneary | Yeah | 22:02 |
| V-PV | So, what is reason for moving TSG? | 22:02 |
| thiago_home | lbt: right, oops | 22:03 |
| * thiago_home moves back to every week | 22:03 | |
| dneary | V-PV, Presumably, to have community office & TSG meeting on alternate weeks? | 22:03 |
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| dneary | DawnFoster, I won't be available this time next week - moving house (for a few weeks, but still) | 22:03 |
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| V-PV | dneary: OK, sounds fair... | 22:04 |
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| lcuk | dneary, wheres the new house? | 22:04 |
| DawnFoster | dneary: I'm not sure exactly where we stand on the licensing issue. I know the LF provided a recommendation, but not sure if it's finalized yet | 22:04 |
| RST38h | wazd: http://www.kinopoisk.ru/level/1/film/412342/ | 22:04 |
| dneary | V-PV, I'm only guessing | 22:04 |
| lcuk | same country or bigggggg move | 22:04 |
| RST38h | wazd: Actually, starts in May | 22:04 |
| dneary | Perhaps Dawn has more info | 22:04 |
| DawnFoster | I think we can finalize it on the mailing list or outside of the meeting | 22:04 |
| dneary | lcuk, To Ireland | 22:04 |
| DawnFoster | sorry - more info on which topic | 22:04 |
| wazd | RST38h: no, I know what fringe is, but what's 3C? :) | 22:04 |
| wazd | aaaah | 22:04 |
| lcuk | dneary, :) great stuff, bigger house? | 22:05 |
| dneary | DawnFoster, Well, several people in SFO said "we'll do whatever LF Legal says" | 22:05 |
| RST38h | yep | 22:05 |
| dneary | lcuk, House, for a start - not appartment | 22:05 |
| wazd | RST38h: got it :) | 22:05 |
| lcuk | :) grand | 22:05 |
| * RST38h suddenly figures it is #meego | 22:05 | |
| DawnFoster | dneary: I suspect that we're good on licensing; however, I do not make that decision, so I can't give you a definite answer on whether to proceed or not | 22:05 |
| wazd | RST38h: so many series but no time for all of them :( | 22:06 |
| wazd | RST38h: thank god lost is ending next week :D | 22:06 |
| RST38h | wazd: Only three are worth watching (and two of them just barely =)) | 22:06 |
| dneary | DawnFoster, So rubber-stamping the proposal & getting the wheels in motion with Nokia for relicensing docs is something that we need to get done pretty quickly, because it'll take a while | 22:06 |
| DawnFoster | I know | 22:07 |
| dneary | DawnFoster, And since I'll be missing next week, I'd appreciate if it stayed on the agenda for next week (or could get agreed outside the meetings, perhaps on a mailing list?) | 22:07 |
| dneary | DawnFoster, Happy to see the feedback from Ibrahim, thoughh | 22:08 |
| DawnFoster | dneary: keep in mind that Imad and Valtteri make the decisions on agenda items. I can't guarantee any particular agenda item | 22:09 |
| dneary | Although I really don't understand why the drafts need to be prepared, reviewed & approved in private before being published :) | 22:09 |
| dneary | DawnFoster, OK - I'm hoping that the ground work has been done sufficiently on this one to allow a simple decision | 22:10 |
| DawnFoster | dneary: legal stuff always works this way | 22:10 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: i will be astonished the day meego lawyers work in the open | 22:10 |
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| dneary | DawnFoster, I don't expect the lawyers to work in the open | 22:10 |
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| dneary | s/DawnFoster/Stskeeps | 22:10 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, What I would hope is that the initial drafts (or lists of questions we want answers to) get drawn up in the open, and submitted to the lawyers, and then we hear the feedback from the lawyers later | 22:11 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, This is what we've done in GNOME for years | 22:11 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 22:11 |
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| DawnFoster | dneary: since you work with Nokia - you can always prod Valtteri and see if you can get a decision on the mailing list | 22:12 |
| dneary | DawnFoster, The operative word is "with" - I don't actually have any contact with Valhalla | 22:13 |
| dneary | But sure, I don't mind bringing it up | 22:13 |
| GAN900 | fiferboy, too bad you weren't here for me to make fun of Toronto. :P | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | could always ask some people to escalate it if need be, or mail directly | 22:13 |
| GAN900 | fiferboy, how's the jon search? | 22:13 |
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| dneary | I think Valtteri and Imad are both on meego-dev, right?both | 22:13 |
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| fiferboy | GAN900: I'm in my third week of my new job :) | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: they're not that active currently, which is a shame :/ | 22:13 |
| fiferboy | GAN900: What Toronto bashing? | 22:14 |
| GAN900 | fiferboy, like it? | 22:14 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, As long as they're reading :) | 22:14 |
| GAN900 | fiferboy, after I went to a couple of the early season games here and we creamed the Jays to a fine pulp. :P | 22:14 |
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| fiferboy | GAN900: On my first day I was given a desktop with Windows 7 and told to put Linux on it. That was a good sign | 22:14 |
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| Stskeeps | dneary: i would be happy if they read anything prefixed with TSG | 22:15 |
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| dneary | Stskeeps, A proposal to make informally next week? | 22:15 |
| Stskeeps | like we have our N900 prefix | 22:15 |
| GAN900 | fiferboy, nice. | 22:15 |
| Stskeeps | could help with metrics too | 22:15 |
| fiferboy | GAN900: I don't think the Jays and Rays have played regular season yet, have they? | 22:15 |
| fiferboy | GAN900: But the Rays are off to another great start | 22:16 |
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| GAN900 | fiferboy, well, I hope they have, as I've been to three games here. :P | 22:17 |
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| fiferboy | GAN900: Regular season? I stand corrected! | 22:18 |
| GAN900 | fiferboy, yeah, good season, don't think we'll see a team this good again for a long while. | 22:18 |
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| fiferboy | The Jays aren't doing so bad themselves right now, though | 22:18 |
| GAN900 | Nope | 22:18 |
| GAN900 | Poor Orioles, though. | 22:18 |
| GAN900 | and the Red Sox are looking a little weak. | 22:18 |
| fiferboy | Yeah, the Orioles didn't see it coming. They thought the Rays were supposed to be the bottom-dwellers | 22:18 |
| GAN900 | I went to both home openners here | 22:19 |
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| GAN900 | First against the Orioles, second against the Yankees. :D | 22:19 |
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| fiferboy | I haven't gotten out to a Jays game yet this year. Hopefully in June | 22:19 |
| fiferboy | GAN900: LOL! | 22:19 |
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| GAN900 | We beat the Yankees 9 to 3 in that first game | 22:20 |
| GAN900 | Wonderfully satisfying. | 22:20 |
| GAN900 | fiferboy, glad to hear you're not still searching for a jo. | 22:20 |
| GAN900 | b | 22:20 |
| GAN900 | What terrible timing. . . . | 22:20 |
| fiferboy | GAN900: Yeah, the timing wasn't great with the 3 month-old, but I guess there is never a good time to lose your job | 22:21 |
| GAN900 | On that note, how's the kid? | 22:21 |
| GAN900 | No, but it can't get much worse than that. . . . | 22:21 |
| GAN900 | Maybe if it were twins and your life found a better man, or something. :P | 22:22 |
| fiferboy | He's huge. 6 months old and the size of a 9 month old. 99th percentile for height, weight, and head circumference | 22:22 |
| GAN900 | Haha | 22:22 |
| GAN900 | fiferboy 2.0: Bigger, Stronger, Faster? | 22:22 |
| Tm_T | fiferboy: it's normal in that age, size matters not | 22:23 |
| fiferboy | I know he will slow down at some point, but it is nice to know he is obviously getting nutrition | 22:24 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, STOP FEEDING BABY RADIOACTIVE FOOD! :D | 22:24 |
| lcuk | hope you are enjoying her | 22:24 |
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| lcuk | /him | 22:24 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: Him. The one good thing about losing my job was I got to spend three month with the wife and boys | 22:25 |
| fiferboy | Of course, there is a whole whack of uncertainty hanging around that kind of taints it at the time... | 22:25 |
| lcuk | yup | 22:25 |
| * lbt projects fiferboy's kid forward using an amazing bit of morphing sw he knocked up in 43 random keystrokes... | 22:26 | |
| lcuk | so fiferboy have you got him his first computer yet | 22:26 |
| mikhas | does a babyphone count? | 22:26 |
| fiferboy | lbt: 43 keystrokes? Must be perl... | 22:27 |
| lbt | of course | 22:27 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: I'm waiting for a Harmattan/Meego device to come out first | 22:27 |
| Tm_T | mikhas: only if it's smartphone | 22:27 |
| lbt | oh your teaching him the turn blue trick then? | 22:27 |
| mikhas | Tm_T, I know of someone who used two N900 for the job | 22:27 |
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| lbt | DawnFoster: whilst I remember.... why is meego-dev subscriber only now? | 22:29 |
| Stskeeps | it has always been? | 22:29 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: you have to be a subscriber to post - always has been. It's for spam reduction | 22:29 |
| DawnFoster | if you leave it open, it becomes a haven for spam / bots | 22:30 |
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| lbt | mmmm | 22:30 |
| DawnFoster | anyone can subscribe | 22:30 |
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| lcuk | isnt this one of the open until needed things? | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | i'd say sane policy | 22:30 |
| lbt | I get almost no spam via lkml | 22:30 |
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| lbt | it's not exactly small/unknown | 22:31 |
| DawnFoster | it's completely open - anyone can subscribe & you can subscribe with multiple email addresses if that makes it easier | 22:31 |
| DawnFoster | I think lkml has a similar config - almost all mailing lists do | 22:32 |
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| lbt | in general I think that making people subscribe to a list to eg, report a problem, is a bad idea | 22:32 |
| lbt | not at all | 22:32 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: with spam the way it is, you really don't have a choice. | 22:32 |
| mikhas | meego-dev is a bugreporting ML? | 22:32 |
| DawnFoster | spam has been a big enough issue on MeeGo already | 22:32 |
| mikhas | we have bugtrackers for that, and even those require registration | 22:32 |
| lbt | in fact having a subscriber only mailing list is a good way to get you kicked out of the kernel maintainer list | 22:32 |
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| GAN900 | lbt, same for the Maemo lists and same for Bugzilla. Hush. :P | 22:34 |
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| lbt | DawnFoster: so who moderates it? | 22:39 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: honestly, no one | 22:39 |
| lbt | so that needs fixing.... :) | 22:40 |
| lbt | I sent an email last night and got a "your message is awaiting moderation" | 22:40 |
| GAN900 | I hear the sound of volunteer. | 22:40 |
| GAN900 | ing | 22:40 |
| lbt | not "your message is rejected" | 22:40 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: we assume that you'll resend from the right email address :) | 22:40 |
| lbt | uh huh ;) | 22:40 |
| lbt | I did | 22:40 |
| DawnFoster | exactly | 22:41 |
| lbt | but seriously... it should either be moderated or configured as closed | 22:41 |
| Stskeeps | there's a setting for subscriber-only? | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | ie, like, it rejects your message if you don't do it from right place | 22:42 |
| lbt | mmm. well it rejects if "from:" is not subscribed | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | (and not into a queue) | 22:42 |
| lbt | http://www.list.org/features.html | 22:43 |
| lbt | right now it is configured to 'mislead' | 22:44 |
| lbt | it says your mail is in a queue when it's actually in /dev/null | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | file a bug? | 22:44 |
| lbt | does b.m.c not use SSO? | 22:45 |
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| lbt | http://meego.com/user/register => Access Denied | 22:46 |
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| DawnFoster | lbt: you get that message because you are already logged in :) | 22:48 |
| DawnFoster | If you log out, that link works | 22:48 |
| lbt | ah, that makes sense :D | 22:48 |
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| Tm_T | "access denied" is not very descriptive message though | 22:49 |
| DawnFoster | agreed. That's something in Drupal | 22:49 |
| * lbt is British Tm_T.... that was british humour... | 22:49 | |
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| berndhs | TSG meet next week ? | 23:03 |
| lbt | DawnFoster: MeeGo.com ... Planet MeeGo ... is that manual? | 23:03 |
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| GAN900 | berndhs, supposedly. | 23:03 |
| GAN900 | I guess we shall see. | 23:03 |
| berndhs | reminds me of signs in taverns "free beer tomorrow" :) | 23:04 |
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| DawnFoster | lbt: manual in what sense. We manually approve and add the feeds, but anything from the feed gets automatically populated | 23:09 |
| DawnFoster | we're in the process of overhauling the planet with something bergie set up | 23:09 |
| lbt | my 2 posts have the same link | 23:10 |
| lbt | if it's automated it's a bug | 23:10 |
| lbt | if manual just a typo :) | 23:10 |
| DawnFoster | let me check | 23:10 |
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| TSCHAKeee | music break: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqcizZebcaU | 23:11 |
| lbt | either way, if you're replacing it I won't file a bug | 23:11 |
| DawnFoster | exactly. | 23:13 |
| DawnFoster | I just deleted and re-added your feed | 23:13 |
| lbt | ta | 23:13 |
| DawnFoster | I think it has problems updating your feed. I had some issues getting it to update your feed before. | 23:14 |
| CosmoHill | bare skin + powerbook = aaaaahhhhh! | 23:15 |
| lbt | hmm. I think it's blog.com ... not sure now | 23:15 |
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| lbt | In other news my emails don't seem to be getting to -dev .... :( | 23:15 |
| DawnFoster | weird | 23:15 |
| DawnFoster | what email address are yuo subscribed under? | 23:15 |
| lbt | david@dgreaves.com | 23:15 |
| lbt | I sent one out at 7:30am BST | 23:15 |
| CosmoHill | lbt: should you of said that in the channel? | 23:16 |
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| Stskeeps | a real man has a spam filter anyway :P | 23:16 |
| lbt | ahhh.... spam!!! | 23:16 |
| CosmoHill | hold on a second | 23:16 |
| * lbt has been on lkml for years... | 23:16 | |
| lbt | spam is an illusion | 23:16 |
| lbt | DawnFoster: it had several cc's and at least one of them isn't a subscriber | 23:16 |
| DawnFoster | hmmm, can you check your mail server for errors? | 23:16 |
| lbt | sure | 23:16 |
| DawnFoster | lbt, that wouldn't do it | 23:16 |
| lbt | just mentioning in case | 23:17 |
| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: my junk folder: http://black-flag.co.uk/files/spam.png | 23:17 |
| DawnFoster | I suspect it's the stubborn reverse dns issue we've been trying to resolve | 23:17 |
| DawnFoster | it's been trashing messages if the dns entry for your outbound smtp server doesn't resolve | 23:18 |
| DawnFoster | we thought we had it fixed, but now I'm not sure | 23:18 |
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| lbt | OK | 23:19 |
| DawnFoster | btw, your message isn't trapped in moderation (except for the other message from your nokia email address) | 23:19 |
| thiago_home | subscribe both addresses and turn off delivery for one of them | 23:19 |
| lbt | I can't subscribe the nokia one :( | 23:20 |
| lbt | I use webmail and can't set filters/rules | 23:20 |
| thiago_home | you can | 23:20 |
| lbt | they'd all hit the inbox | 23:20 |
| thiago_home | but you need to use IE to configure them | 23:21 |
| lbt | ah | 23:21 |
| lbt | I don't have one of those | 23:21 |
| thiago_home | nor do I | 23:21 |
| lcuk | friends dont let friends use IE | 23:21 |
| thiago_home | I VNC into one of the test machines to manipulate my rules | 23:21 |
| lbt | <grin> | 23:21 |
| w00t_ | lol | 23:21 |
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| DawnFoster | or you can borrow IE from your least tech savvy relative :) | 23:21 |
| lbt | heh... the house is pure | 23:22 |
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| thiago_home | we also have a "kiosk PC" in the hallway with the standard Nokia Windows image | 23:22 |
| lcuk | lol DawnFoster sorry, but i wouldnt enter any important information on the machine of an unsavvy user | 23:22 |
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| DawnFoster | second-cousin, granny, whatever :) | 23:22 |
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| thiago_home | the expense approval tool for example doesn't work on Linux | 23:22 |
| thiago_home | .xls that has macros that run Outlook | 23:23 |
| DawnFoster | I have a desktop at home running windows that I boot up a couple times a year for IE-related issues :) | 23:23 |
| DawnFoster | thiago_home - same issue here. There are a few work-related things that require IE. *shudder* | 23:23 |
| lbt | it's nice isn't it :) | 23:24 |
| Stskeeps | only thing i use my XP vm for is, strangely enough, to unpack the linux drivers within intel EGD :/ | 23:24 |
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| lbt | shut up bsd-boy | 23:24 |
| lbt | or is it solaris... ? | 23:24 |
| Stskeeps | oi | 23:24 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:24 |
| Stskeeps | opensolaris, close enough | 23:24 |
| lbt | yeah | 23:24 |
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| thiago_home | have a couple of those too | 23:25 |
| lcuk | throught choice or contract tho :D | 23:26 |
| lcuk | qt is ported to solaris isnt it | 23:26 |
| thiago_home | yeah | 23:26 |
| thiago_home | all Unix | 23:26 |
| * CosmoHill pets thiago_home | 23:27 | |
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| CosmoHill | I have no idea why I just did that but enjoy it anyway | 23:27 |
| thiago_home | though we don't support IRIX anymore | 23:27 |
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| thiago_home | may IRIX RIP | 23:27 |
| w00t_ | rest in pieces? | 23:27 |
| w00t_ | :-) | 23:27 |
| thiago_home | that too | 23:27 |
| thiago_home | we have some pieces and parts left over | 23:27 |
| Stskeeps | we had some irix machines at my uni, while the fancy PCs were used by older students | 23:28 |
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| thiago_home | Stskeeps: yeah, my uni had some too | 23:28 |
| lcuk | i think the mainframe i found a family of dead mice in was an irix one | 23:28 |
| lcuk | the name sounds familiar | 23:28 |
| thiago_home | the interesting thing is that the machines we had were stuff a local uni threw away | 23:28 |
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| thiago_home | :-) | 23:28 |
| Stskeeps | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SGI_O2 | 23:29 |
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| CosmoHill | dead mice? eww | 23:29 |
| * lbt has an Indy briefcase | 23:29 | |
| lbt | and an SGI Tag Heur | 23:29 |
| lbt | and a T-shirt that says "My other computer is a Cray" on the back | 23:30 |
| lbt | and "My other computer is an SGI" on the front | 23:30 |
| lbt | I love that T-shirt... | 23:30 |
| dneary | lbt, Tell me if I'm being too hard or unrealistic here: http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1303#c8 | 23:30 |
| dneary | lbt, What do you think? | 23:30 |
| lbt | reading | 23:30 |
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| mikhas | regarding "cross-platform" ... the latest project templates from Qt Creator dont look cross-platform at all =) | 23:31 |
| lcuk | mikhas, ? | 23:32 |
| mikhas | lcuk, try it | 23:32 |
| CosmoHill | wb DawnFoster | 23:32 |
| lcuk | ides are fickle, whats it saying to you | 23:32 |
| dneary | hi DawnFoster | 23:32 |
| mikhas | it includes some #ifdefs in main.cpp by default | 23:32 |
| lbt | dneary: I call bullshit | 23:32 |
| lcuk | mikhas, that sounds normal | 23:32 |
| mikhas | err, #if/#else I mean | 23:33 |
| dneary | I'd be interested in your opinion too... either I'm being unrealistic, or you can help :) | 23:33 |
| lcuk | you should see the boilerplate required for gtk | 23:33 |
| w00t_ | mikhas: reported it to the creator people? | 23:33 |
| thiago_home | mikhas: the ones with #ifdef Q_OS_SYMBIAN showFullscreen() ? | 23:33 |
| w00t_ | (and asked about it?) | 23:33 |
| dneary | DawnFoster, http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1303 (esp. comment 8) | 23:33 |
| w00t_ | ah, good | 23:33 |
| mikhas | thiago_home, yup, "#if defined(Q_WS_S60) || defined(Q_WS_MAEMO_5)" | 23:33 |
| dneary | lbt, On me? | 23:34 |
| lbt | a legal document is a formal expression of a layperson's wishes | 23:34 |
| lbt | no, on them | 23:34 |
| thiago_home | mikhas: right | 23:34 |
| dneary | lbt, Having dealt with lawyers, I know that lawyers do not work in public, they work with their client | 23:34 |
| thiago_home | mikhas: we're fixing that inside the show() method now, but we didn't fix it in time. Behaviour change. | 23:34 |
| lcuk | thiago_home, i think hes meaning it could be done internal to the api itself | 23:34 |
| dneary | But their client is free to do with that work what they will | 23:34 |
| lcuk | ^-^ | 23:35 |
| thiago_home | lcuk: it can and it will be fixed. | 23:35 |
| lbt | yes, but discussing the objectives of the document is reasonable | 23:35 |
| w00t_ | thiago_home: "in time" for 4.7? or the latest Creator release | 23:35 |
| thiago_home | it's just that it didn't occur to us | 23:35 |
| lcuk | yup just read :D cool stuff thiago_home | 23:35 |
| lbt | and the draft is pretty much just that | 23:35 |
| thiago_home | besides, MAemo 5 doesn't have non-maximised windows | 23:35 |
| mikhas | lcuk, what I mean is that the abstraction is leaky, once more | 23:35 |
| lcuk | thiago_home, actually.. | 23:35 |
| mikhas | thiago_home, oh *I* know that | 23:35 |
| dneary | lbt, It just feels to me (like I said) as if the LF feels like they need Intel & Nokia approval for anything official | 23:35 |
| lbt | getting community input on the draft is also reasonable | 23:35 |
| lcuk | mikhas, sure theres a LOT to encapsulate and hold mikhas | 23:35 |
| lbt | (unless the LF is just a rubber stamp...) | 23:36 |
| lcuk | the new n900 appears to have floating HWR app | 23:36 |
| lcuk | the hong kong one | 23:36 |
| lcuk | and theres floating notificaitons | 23:36 |
| lcuk | etc | 23:36 |
| frals | floating notifications? | 23:38 |
| thiago_home | lcuk: PR1.2? | 23:38 |
| lcuk | yeah the little popups that come | 23:38 |
| lcuk | when you get a new message | 23:38 |
| frals | lcuk: got a link? | 23:38 |
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| lcuk | thiago_home, yeah but it includes a custom HWR app for asian handwriting | 23:39 |
| javispedro | the floating HWR windows are unredirected | 23:39 |
| javispedro | a bit ugly | 23:39 |
| * thiago_home needs to upgrade to the new PR1.2 again | 23:39 | |
| javispedro | well, not really ugly from a user pov. | 23:39 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkRJPJnKmJU | 23:42 |
| lcuk | frals, example of HWR | 23:42 |
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| lcuk | anyway, the point being, not all uses of n900 require full screen windows | 23:42 |
| frals | lcuk: im interested in "floating notifications" and whats different from current one :D | 23:42 |
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| lcuk | frals, that was just an indicator that its possible, you could make your own if so desired just people usually dont because they take device ala cart | 23:43 |
| lcuk | e ^ ;) | 23:43 |
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