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| bartekxyz | Any ETA for functional meego version? | 00:27 |
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| CosmoHill | up to 15 days? | 00:35 |
| bartekxyz | Because they said it's going to be may? | 00:37 |
| CosmoHill | yes | 00:38 |
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| bartekxyz | Positive thinking,eh? | 00:40 |
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| CosmoHill | I'm indifferent about it ^.^ | 00:40 |
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| bartekxyz | Can't wait to get my dirty hands on it | 00:43 |
| lcukn900 | wash them first. | 00:44 |
| bartekxyz | That's othert sort of dirt | 00:44 |
| bartekxyz | Other* | 00:45 |
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| * CosmoHill is weirded out by this kid | 00:53 | |
| CosmoHill | he's 11 and has 4 computers | 00:53 |
| CosmoHill | when I was 11 I had just gotten a PC and I didn't use it all that much apart from school work | 00:54 |
| Stskeeps | he probably has a uncle giving him old hw | 00:55 |
| CosmoHill | [22:47] <Cosmo> how many computers do you have? | 00:55 |
| CosmoHill | [22:48] <rabbit> 4 | 00:55 |
| CosmoHill | [22:48] <rabbit> macmini , dell precision 690 (currenty rented) , self built computer , and my macbook | 00:55 |
| CosmoHill | it's a mac mini server edition so that's pretty new | 00:56 |
| bartekxyz | When i was 11,i had amiga 500 | 00:56 |
| Stskeeps | when i was 11, i had a 80186 with 1mb ram and 20mb hd | 00:57 |
| Stskeeps | was in heaven | 00:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:57 |
| range | When I was 11, we had to count from 0 to 1 for ourselves. | 01:01 |
| range | when I was 14 I had an Apple II, though :) | 01:01 |
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| CosmoHill | i duno if it's just me being an old guy or just not used to the tech | 01:02 |
| CosmoHill | cos he was a lot younger than me when the tech came out | 01:03 |
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| TSCHAKeee | CosmoHill, you can not play the old guy | 01:10 |
| CosmoHill | I know | 01:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | CosmoHill, there is always someone older | 01:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | :P :) | 01:10 |
| CosmoHill | I barely in my 20s >.> | 01:10 |
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| thomas_ | garrr | 01:30 |
| thomas_ | oh well, | 01:31 |
| * thomas_ built an image from the daily snapshot, and it never makes it to X :/ crapola | 01:31 | |
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| thomas_ | nm | 01:34 |
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| * TSCHAKeee tries a different ks | 01:34 | |
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| * CosmoHill rolls eyes | 01:35 | |
| CosmoHill | the kid has gotten his mum's iphone | 01:35 |
| CosmoHill | he's so easily impressed | 01:35 |
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| bella_calda_18 | those who exchange pictures? I want ... Here you can download my photos then let me know http://www.wikiupload.com/p4trNG1i | 01:45 |
| thomas_ | sigh | 01:46 |
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| CosmoHill | is this channel listed? | 01:47 |
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| Jartza | http://vimeo.com/7142739 | 02:08 |
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| TSCHAKeee | is there no @Meego Developer Desktop group? | 02:14 |
| CosmoHill | a desktop? what's that? | 02:14 |
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| TSCHAKeee | :P | 02:20 |
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| CosmoHill | I only have linux on my server and that doesn't even have a graphics card.... | 02:22 |
| CosmoHill | son of a bitch, my lecturer has my serial cable | 02:22 |
| TSCHAKeee | shame on you | 02:24 |
| TSCHAKeee | i should send a wumpus after you :P | 02:24 |
| CosmoHill | you can tell I'm a great student, I have a usb to serial adapter ^.^ | 02:25 |
| TSCHAKeee | :P | 02:25 |
| TSCHAKeee | damn it | 02:25 |
| TSCHAKeee | is there a .ks file | 02:25 |
| CosmoHill | I've seen one somewhere | 02:26 |
| TSCHAKeee | that can be paired against the daily builds? | 02:26 |
| TSCHAKeee | the .ks files in daily/ point to package group names and repositories that are no longer apt | 02:27 |
| TSCHAKeee | okay | 02:29 |
| TSCHAKeee | i'm going to do a new one against an 0.9 build | 02:29 |
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| TSCHAKeee | okay, think i've cobbled enough of one together | 02:40 |
| TSCHAKeee | bend to my will, damn it! | 02:41 |
| TSCHAKeee | :) | 02:41 |
| b-man | call me crazy, but i'm running the meego-image creator on my N900 via a booted version of fedora12 xD | 02:43 |
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| * TSCHAKeee resigns to wait.. not all the packages are there yet | 02:51 | |
| TSCHAKeee | ugh | 02:56 |
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| Termana | good morning | 03:58 |
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| Termana | Is it just me that thinks its a bad idea the wiki is case sensitive? | 05:20 |
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| TSCHAKeee | what's the relationship between mx and nbtk? | 10:35 |
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| thiago_home | TSCHAKeee: they're the same | 11:07 |
| TSCHAKeee | okay, was making sure | 11:10 |
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| * Stskeeps sends off a piece to meego-dev regarding big reveal mentality | 11:12 | |
| TSCHAKeee | hah | 11:13 |
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| TSCHAKeee | Stskeeps, well said. | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | well, no 'ha' in it.. more like talking about the elephant in the room | 11:14 |
| TSCHAKeee | yes | 11:16 |
| TSCHAKeee | well, at least i've been able to do ux experiments with the moblin code thus far.. | 11:16 |
| TSCHAKeee | seeing as it's not going to drastically change for meego... this seems like the right thing for me to do so far. | 11:16 |
| TSCHAKeee | (meego 1.0 rather) | 11:17 |
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| Stskeeps | morn wazd | 11:23 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: +1,000 | 11:26 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Good to have someone pushing openly from the inside. But I don't believe we'll see a TSG response on the mailing list | 11:27 |
| Jaffa | :( | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | i am writing this as a community member though :P | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | but this is obvious to anyone | 11:27 |
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| Stskeeps | so no 'inside' needed | 11:28 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: But the mentality will mean, to some people, that someone internally saying "*we*'re not working like *we* should be" is more powerful | 11:28 |
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| Stskeeps | mm | 11:29 |
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| leinir | Stskeeps: Well, it's your job to be the community member who annoys the TSG when they're not being as open as they ought to, though... ;) | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | from maemo.org pov | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:30 |
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| leinir | Hehe :) | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | but if you agree with the post, indicate on mailing list but without making it into a flame war, it looks a bit awkward when i look like the lone communist party representant at times :P | 11:33 |
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| th0br0 | heya Stskeeps, leinir, Jaffa | 11:34 |
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| leinir | th0br0: 'lo :) | 11:37 |
| Jaffa | Hey th0br0 | 11:38 |
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| * Stskeeps glares at a mail he got indirectly accusing texrat as a commie and the fact he uses office 2007 and visio | 14:24 | |
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| Stskeeps | these kind of happenings make me wonder about democracy | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:25 |
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| aquatix | odd | 14:29 |
| aquatix | how can you use msoffice as a commie | 14:29 |
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| leinir | aquatix: i was kind of wondering that too :) | 14:30 |
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| lbt | we (nokia) have just been looking at the 1.0 'release' .... hands up if you expected a release to contain just one version of a package... Hey, you there with your hand up - see me after class! | 14:57 |
| Robot101 | hmm | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | as one as one is the most recent version? | 14:58 |
| lbt | sorry, not 1.0, "weekly" | 14:58 |
| th0br0 | huh? | 14:59 |
| th0br0 | multiple versions of one package at the same time | 14:59 |
| lbt | it seems to be | 14:59 |
| lbt | although the "test" directory which used to be documented as the weekly release has now been hidden | 15:00 |
| lbt | for the May/12 release you can pick from glibmm-2.24.0-1.5.src.rpm, glibmm-2.24.0-1.6.src.rpm or glibmm-2.24.0-1.12.src.rpm "what would you like to QA against today?" :) | 15:02 |
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| aquatix | lbt: fun :/ | 15:14 |
| th0br0 | :P lbt | 15:16 |
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| lbt | I know... it's not a real release... but I guess it's feeling a bit slip-shod | 15:19 |
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| vip | hi all | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | lo | 16:18 |
| vip | when alpha meego will release | 16:19 |
| lbt | http://meego.com/about/faq | 16:19 |
| lbt | vip ^^ that may help :) | 16:20 |
| vip | nothing declare there | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | second quarter of 2010 | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | but go look at the technical steering group minutes for specifics | 16:23 |
| vip | now we are in half of may if they plan to release they will say any word | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | it's supposed to come in may, i think. | 16:23 |
| vip | this what i dont like just saying then just wait long | 16:24 |
| vip | does anybody think meego will be available for n900 | 16:26 |
| chronim | yes | 16:26 |
| Stskeeps | vip, n900 is reference device for meego on ARM. please note that is not a nokia product. | 16:27 |
| vip | what that mean 'reference device for megoo ' does that mean its for testing only or what please tell me | 16:30 |
| thiago_home | meego will be available for n900 | 16:30 |
| thiago_home | nokia will not support your using of it on n900 | 16:30 |
| thiago_home | is that clear? | 16:30 |
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| vip | who will support if nokia not i think meego project between nokia and intel | 16:33 |
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| thiago_home | no one | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | it is a bit complicated. i would wait and see if i was you. | 16:34 |
| thiago_home | you can put it in any device you want | 16:34 |
| thiago_home | for example, if you get a Nexus One device and manage to put MeeGo on it, who will support you? | 16:35 |
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| thiago_home | don't answer Google. They couldn't care less about MeeGo. | 16:35 |
| vip | no it is not like that they will allow for you to install in n900 if the plan | 16:36 |
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| thiago_home | I didn't understand that | 16:37 |
| vip | sorry its not clear | 16:37 |
| thiago_home | it's not. | 16:38 |
| thiago_home | please rephrase | 16:38 |
| thiago_home | there's a MeeGo image that will be released. You can install that anywhere (if you have the tools to install, of course). | 16:38 |
| tackat | hi thiago_home | 16:38 |
| thiago_home | but the hardware vendor doesn't have to support you. | 16:38 |
| thiago_home | tackat: heya | 16:39 |
| tackat | thiago_home: if you haven't seen it already http://nienhueser.de/blog/?p=121 << pretty cool especially the second vid | 16:39 |
| thiago_home | haha, of course it's marble :-) | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | vip: you can even install debian on your n900. nokia isnt stopping you | 16:39 |
| tackat | thiago_home: the second video rocks :) It's a must see ;) | 16:40 |
| thiago_home | I'll do that once F1 is over | 16:40 |
| vip | look may you will be able to install but the problem does it will be stabil | 16:41 |
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| thiago_home | vip: obviously we want MeeGo to be as stable as possible. | 16:41 |
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| thiago_home | whether that's good enough for you, I can't say. | 16:42 |
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| vip | i think meego will going to n900 but it will not be stable so maemo will be only choose | 16:45 |
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| Jaffa | vip: It'll probably be stable; whether it's got enough features to be usable is a different question. But you've gone. | 17:02 |
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| th0br0 | lbt: just why are so many babylon 5 actors dead nowadays | 19:58 |
| thiago_home | more actors? | 19:58 |
| thiago_home | who died? | 19:58 |
| thiago_home | besides andreas katsulas | 19:59 |
| TSCHAKeee | Richard Biggs | 19:59 |
| TSCHAKeee | Tim Choate (Zathras) | 19:59 |
| thiago_home | ow, really? | 19:59 |
| TSCHAKeee | yup | 20:00 |
| TSCHAKeee | the guy who played the ORIGINAL techno mage, also died not long after filming. | 20:00 |
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| TSCHAKeee | is Harlan Ellison still alive? | 20:01 |
| th0br0 | Zathras | 20:01 |
| TSCHAKeee | god man, if we lose Harlan _and_ Forest Ackerman.. who the fuck do we have left? | 20:01 |
| TSCHAKeee | :P | 20:01 |
| th0br0 | I love Zathras. | 20:01 |
| TSCHAKeee | nobody listen to Zathras... | 20:01 |
| th0br0 | TSCHAKeee: don't soil it .... | 20:01 |
| th0br0 | Or the 10 different pronunciations of Zathras | 20:02 |
| th0br0 | *spoil | 20:02 |
| th0br0 | I haven't watched the 5th season yet so I don't know whether the techno mages return...# | 20:02 |
| CosmoHill | hey t* | 20:02 |
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| th0br0 | heya CosmoHill | 20:04 |
| thiago_home | heya CosmoHill | 20:04 |
| CosmoHill | two say hi, one runs away | 20:05 |
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| thiago_home | there's one left | 20:06 |
| CosmoHill | he's returned :) ...with cookies? | 20:07 |
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| CosmoHill | so how are you (anyone)? having a good weekend? | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | it's raining outside | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:00 |
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| CosmoHill | same here | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | nokia must be trying hard to sell their n900, just heard the usual video soundtrack from my wife's computer | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | i went back and looked at the advertising for the n900 | 21:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | wow.. i didn't know it could run java midlets! | 21:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | :P | 21:04 |
| CosmoHill | midlets? | 21:05 |
| CosmoHill | sounds like midgets | 21:05 |
| Stskeeps | what, it can't | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:06 |
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| TSCHAKeee | Stskeeps, it's as if they took the ad copy for the N97 | 21:06 |
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| TSCHAKeee | Stskeeps, and did a little SnR :P | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 21:07 |
| TSCHAKeee | but really, stuff like that | 21:08 |
| TSCHAKeee | is why people are royally pissed. | 21:08 |
| TSCHAKeee | they feel very let down. | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | meh, i'm fine with my n900 | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | does everything i need it to | 21:08 |
| TSCHAKeee | same here | 21:09 |
| petteri | and more :) | 21:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | but i hope nokia learns from the mistakes. | 21:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | i went into the n900 knowing exactly what it was | 21:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | an n810 with a phone | 21:10 |
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| Stskeeps | originally they wanted to just make it a 3g tablet but i guess the wimax adventure scared them off that | 21:10 |
| th0br0 | what are you talking about? | 21:12 |
| ShadowJK | The wimax adventure had other issues... | 21:13 |
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| ShadowJK | like no coverage | 21:13 |
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| TSCHAKeee | yup | 21:15 |
| TSCHAKeee | which really depressed the hell out of me | 21:15 |
| TSCHAKeee | because the WiMAX 810 worked REALLY WELL | 21:15 |
| TSCHAKeee | a lot better than 3G IMHO | 21:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | hrm | 21:23 |
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| timeless_mbp | anyone here familiar w/ SRPMs and have some time to explain them to me? :) | 21:24 |
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| CosmoHill | an SRPM is basically the source and patch files with the .spec file included | 21:25 |
| CosmoHill | I download them from fedora and unpack them to just to get at their spec files, and sometimes their patchecs | 21:26 |
| timeless_mbp | so, i have two srpm's | 21:26 |
| timeless_mbp | libjingle and zlib | 21:26 |
| thiago_home | yep, it's an archive with the pristine source(s), any patches as well as the .spec file which contains instructions to build | 21:26 |
| thiago_home | I don't remember if they have metadata | 21:26 |
| timeless_mbp | both have a file "buildfix.patch" | 21:26 |
| timeless_mbp | if i try to rpm -i both srpm's at the same time | 21:26 |
| timeless_mbp | and then rpmbuild -bp both spec files at the same time | 21:26 |
| timeless_mbp | one of them fails | 21:26 |
| timeless_mbp | because e.g. libjingle's "buildfix.patch" gets replaced by zlib's | 21:26 |
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| CosmoHill | hmm, i never thought about building multiple files at once | 21:27 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm sorta "building" "all" of "meego" at "once" | 21:27 |
| timeless_mbp | where "building" stops before "compiling" | 21:28 |
| timeless_mbp | it seems like "buildfix.patch" is a *common* file name | 21:28 |
| timeless_mbp | paps also uses that filename, so now it's trying to using jingle's version | 21:29 |
| timeless_mbp | so…. is there an rpmmacro to avoid this collision? :) | 21:30 |
| timeless_mbp | %_sourcedir%{_topdir}/SOURCES | 21:33 |
| timeless_mbp | can i use %_sourcedir %{_topdir}/SOURCES/%{name} | 21:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok, at least the basic bit works | 21:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | yeah, that works :) | 21:37 |
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| th0br0 | buildfix.patch o.O | 21:42 |
| th0br0 | are there no naming conventions for patches? | 21:42 |
| CosmoHill | magic.patch | 21:43 |
| CosmoHill | god_knows_what_this_does.patch | 21:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | th0br0: it seems that it's a convention to use that filename :) | 21:44 |
| timeless_mbp | unless you use build_fix.patch :( | 21:44 |
| th0br0 | then fuck that convention | 21:44 |
| CosmoHill | :o | 21:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | nice: | 21:54 |
| timeless_mbp | Can't do inplace edit: gas/config is not a regular file, <> line 99487. | 21:54 |
| timeless_mbp | Can't do inplace edit: libiberty/config is not a regular file, <> line 212768. | 21:54 |
| thiago_home | what are they, if not regular files? | 21:56 |
| timeless_mbp | presumably directories :) | 21:56 |
| timeless_mbp | data/meego.com/BUILD/binutils-2.20.51.0.2/gas/config/ | 21:57 |
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| * TSCHAKeee a little irked that some idiot added a notes applet to maemo with "transparency" ... why would you use a notes app, with transparency, where the ONLY thing you could ever see behind it, is the _DESKTOP_ ?! | 21:58 | |
| TSCHAKeee | sigh. | 21:58 |
| timeless_mbp | TSCHAKeee: wrong window :) | 21:59 |
| TSCHAKeee | :P | 21:59 |
| timeless_mbp | and last i checked, that doesn't support text entry :) | 21:59 |
| CosmoHill | so it's just a transparent blank note? | 21:59 |
| timeless_mbp | otoh, you can do overlapping applets :) | 21:59 |
| timeless_mbp | no, it's a prefilled taunting note :) | 21:59 |
| CosmoHill | I need to fix my nokia, the screen cover is coming off :/ | 22:00 |
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| fadiodeh | hi everybody :) | 22:14 |
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| CosmoHill | impatient son of a bitch | 22:20 |
| Stskeeps | oi, language | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:21 |
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