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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 00:55 |
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| fadiodeh_ | hi everyone | 01:08 |
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| Myrtti | DawnFoster: ping | 01:49 |
| DawnFoster | hey Myrtti | 01:49 |
| Myrtti | DawnFoster: I'm trying to do fact checking on my blog post about the meego workgroup day, and checking my video I'm conviniently coughing when one of the guys says his names on the Maemo panel... | 01:51 |
| Myrtti | and now I'm getting mixed up by which video is which, argh | 01:52 |
| DawnFoster | Is it the panel where I was moderating? | 01:52 |
| DawnFoster | the agenda with times is still up (if it helps) http://events.linuxfoundation.org/lfcs2010/meego-workgroup | 01:53 |
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| Myrtti | DawnFoster: yup, but I was just wondering because @bergie has the names wrong in his Qaiku: "Sakari Poussa, Dawn Foster, Mark Skarpness and Andy Wilson" | 01:55 |
| DawnFoster | Ah, it was Sakari Poussa, Arjan Van de Ven, Andy Wilson, and Dawn Foster seated left to right if you are looking up from the audience. | 01:56 |
| DawnFoster | it was probably Arjan - he also tends to talk really fast :) (hi arjan) | 01:56 |
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| DawnFoster | we made a last minute panel substitution for Arjan instead of Mark, so @bergie probably had an old agenda. | 01:59 |
| Myrtti | ah, that must be the reason, I wondered about that | 02:01 |
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| Termana | good morning | 02:20 |
| CosmoHill | it's morning? crap | 02:20 |
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| TSCHAKeee | mutter is clicking in my brain now...good... | 02:26 |
| tmzt | the javascript stuff? | 02:27 |
| TSCHAKeee | metacity+clutter | 02:28 |
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| jacquesdupontd | hi | 03:17 |
| jacquesdupontd | i would like to know if its possible to run moblin or meego on arm 9 board ? | 03:17 |
| CosmoHill | I think meego only supports the Nokia n900 at the moment | 03:18 |
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| jacquesdupontd | like that http://cgi.ebay.com/mini2440-S3C2440-ARM9-Board-3-5-TFT-LCD-Touch-Screen-/120568858811?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c1276c8bb | 03:20 |
| jacquesdupontd | i would like if it this type of board are the same board used for iphones and multiples known phones for example | 03:21 |
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| pupnik | 02:45 < DocScrutinizer> you seen the "take two phones and shake them" for generating a shared secret? :-D | 03:23 |
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| CosmoHill | sod it, I'm having a red bull | 03:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: what? | 03:30 |
| pupnik | that is awesome! | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, alas not my idea :-) | 03:31 |
| * CosmoHill needs two badly made web forms :( | 03:31 | |
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| pupnik | jacquesdupontd: meego should be runnable on x86 soon enough | 03:32 |
| jacquesdupontd | could you show me thelink | 03:32 |
| jacquesdupontd | no redbull = cc | 03:32 |
| pupnik | i just know that is planned | 03:33 |
| jacquesdupontd | yeah but i wanted to know if those arm 9 boards | 03:33 |
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| CosmoHill | iirc meego 1.0 comes out this month | 03:33 |
| jacquesdupontd | are as powerfull as an iphone board or an android phone board an why not a moblin/meego one | 03:34 |
| jacquesdupontd | cause i'm building a tablet and im searching what device to take | 03:34 |
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| jacquesdupontd | i'm gonna build a very powerfull tablet and another one that could be very cheap but good anyway | 03:34 |
| pupnik | arm9 is like 2004 tech | 03:35 |
| jacquesdupontd | i want the best tablet to be built with nvidia tegra 2 but i can't get to buy it it seems | 03:35 |
| TSCHAKeee | jacquesdupontd: are you a systems designer? | 03:35 |
| jacquesdupontd | and the other would be an arm based | 03:35 |
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| jacquesdupontd | we cant say that | 03:36 |
| jacquesdupontd | i'm a device builder | 03:36 |
| * TSCHAKeee rolls eyes | 03:36 | |
| TSCHAKeee | lovely | 03:36 |
| jacquesdupontd | and i'm using the best ui's to fit the device | 03:36 |
| jacquesdupontd | and ilove meego | 03:36 |
| jacquesdupontd | would love it to run on a cheap board like that | 03:36 |
| * TSCHAKeee is getting very tired of the whole hush hush attitude that this community is attracting | 03:37 | |
| TSCHAKeee | everybody under some form of NDA | 03:37 |
| jacquesdupontd | but i would be paying the ppl who worked for all stuff i'll be using | 03:37 |
| jacquesdupontd | i'm not a stealer and by the way i'm making my own ui based on debian/ubuntu | 03:37 |
| * TSCHAKeee laughs | 03:37 | |
| TSCHAKeee | okay | 03:37 |
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| TSCHAKeee | jacquesdupontd: sorry, but i see people like you all the time...and you tend to set off my bullshit meter | 03:38 |
| jacquesdupontd | it can be funny but my only wish is to make cheap device that are good seriously with no pretention at all | 03:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | so i am leaving now. | 03:38 |
| * CosmoHill takes a swig of red bull | 03:38 | |
| jacquesdupontd | please dont leave i didn't want you to be hated by what i said, i'm just bored about seeing only ipads everywhere with nobody trying to counter them | 03:39 |
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| jacquesdupontd | then i choosed to do the job | 03:39 |
| jacquesdupontd | but i'm gonna leave if you can't get it, i don't really understand but i'm here peacefully and trying to have ideas to use uis like meego and others that are really good | 03:40 |
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| jacquesdupontd | sorry for having been here . | 03:41 |
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| pupnik | it's ok | 03:41 |
| pupnik | we all have varying degrees of clue | 03:41 |
| CosmoHill | we're not meant to scare people awway | 03:41 |
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| * pupnik is now obsessed with meego on next gen nokias | 03:43 | |
| pupnik | :/ | 03:43 |
| pupnik | actually i'm going to call it linux | 03:43 |
| TSCHAKeee | for every one quiet person who knows what to do | 03:43 |
| TSCHAKeee | there are 10,000 loudmouths who don't have a clue. | 03:44 |
| TSCHAKeee | :/ | 03:44 |
| pupnik | irc is like that TSCHAKeee | 03:44 |
| TSCHAKeee | I know. | 03:44 |
| TSCHAKeee | ... | 03:44 |
| TSCHAKeee | just tired of running into people who are all talk no do. | 03:44 |
| CosmoHill | they're called PE teachers | 03:44 |
| TSCHAKeee | hehehe | 03:44 |
| pupnik | i'm trying to fix up linapple for N900 | 03:45 |
| pupnik | want to help? | 03:45 |
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| TSCHAKeee | btw, you don't want meego on the 2440.. it is an ARM920t based board with an arm4 instruction set.. I have one here... pain in the ass. | 03:46 |
| TSCHAKeee | linapple? | 03:46 |
| pupnik | yeah same cpu used in the gp2x | 03:46 |
| pupnik | apple ][ emulator | 03:46 |
| TSCHAKeee | straight sdl port should work just fine | 03:46 |
| pupnik | i port/build games... http://pupnik.de/software.html | 03:46 |
| Termana | MeeGo won't work on armv4 anyway | 03:46 |
| TSCHAKeee | all you should need to do is a recompile for most of it | 03:46 |
| pupnik | yeah... talk to me baby | 03:47 |
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| CosmoHill | pupnik: cool | 03:47 |
| CosmoHill | I might try and add a GUI via Qt to my game | 03:47 |
| TSCHAKeee | Termana: I've spent way too long trying to cobble together a toolchain from openmoko to use the damn thing.. and that chip has so many pitfalls, it's insane.. (#E@($# !!! | 03:47 |
| pupnik | i do what i can, in my spare time, for fun | 03:48 |
| pupnik | TSCHAKeee: i guess you do this for a living? | 03:49 |
| TSCHAKeee | i wish. I would if it could pay consistently enough. | 03:49 |
| Termana | Sorry, I should be more clear, it is not a good idea to try and use an armv4 board - unless your are a masochist - you would need to compile the whole code base for armv4 (and hope it doesn't contain assembly code for armv5 and above) | 03:49 |
| Termana | Then you would have to compile each and every applications from scratch | 03:49 |
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| * TSCHAKeee is aware | 03:49 | |
| TSCHAKeee | i'm just trying to port Orbiter to the damn thing | 03:49 |
| TSCHAKeee | for a client | 03:50 |
| TSCHAKeee | pupnik: I do various contract jobs during the day, personal research work as night (I am lead developer for the LinuxMCE project, and I am also active in a few other projects.) | 03:50 |
| pupnik | i respect real programmers | 03:51 |
| Termana | And by the time you've done that - you still can't use the Handset UX - no Open GL ES 2 on any of those armv4 boards AFAIK | 03:51 |
| TSCHAKeee | yu[ | 03:51 |
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| TSCHAKeee | trust me i know | 03:51 |
| Termana | So you may as well not have MeeGo on it :P | 03:51 |
| pupnik | actually the dude you want to tell that to has left, Termana | 03:51 |
| TSCHAKeee | pupnik: I'm a polymath. I program only because I have to | 03:51 |
| pupnik | hah! i KNOW what you mean | 03:51 |
| CosmoHill | yay, red bull is kicking in :) | 03:51 |
| Termana | pupnik, I thought I'd just let the whole room know the ramifications of his idea. | 03:52 |
| Termana | So no one else tries it | 03:52 |
| pupnik | ok | 03:52 |
| * TSCHAKeee laughs | 03:52 | |
| TSCHAKeee | that mini2440 board has been one big black hole | 03:52 |
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| TSCHAKeee | completely %(@#@(# useless | 03:53 |
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| CosmoHill | hey DawnFoster | 03:54 |
| pupnik | i'd like to see free software gain a better foothold in the mobile space | 03:54 |
| DawnFoster | hey CosmoHIll | 03:54 |
| pupnik | you know... totalitarian governments and all | 03:54 |
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| CosmoHill | 235 done, 1000 more to go | 04:38 |
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| pupnik | what | 04:40 |
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| CosmoHill | words* | 04:42 |
| GAN900 | pupnik, only real programmers? :P | 04:43 |
| GAN900 | TSCHAKeee, join #maemo for extra spam. | 04:43 |
| TSCHAKeee | hehehhheh | 04:43 |
| TSCHAKeee | uggghh | 04:43 |
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| pupnik | GAN900: maybe you have some idea of how many thousands of hours i have spent porting stuff, incredibly slowly and badly | 04:44 |
| pupnik | but nobody else was doing it | 04:44 |
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| pupnik | so i stopped. and now better people took up the slack. | 04:44 |
| pupnik | that makes me happy | 04:44 |
| GAN900 | Some, maybe. ;) | 04:44 |
| pupnik | yeah, going on 14 hours for this stupid fix to the apple emu | 04:45 |
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| TSCHAKeee | my god, i can't read the t.m.o forums anymore | 05:56 |
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| TSCHAKeee | it's all drama drama drama drama drama oh no, i am leaving, because nokia sucks, no apps no apps no apps | 05:57 |
| pupnik | same here | 05:58 |
| pupnik | i mean leaving t.m.o is understandable ;) | 05:58 |
| pupnik | but just because time is limited | 05:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | TSCHAKeee, easier if you just stick to the Community forum | 06:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | and maybe touch on MeeGo/Harmattan | 06:00 |
| TSCHAKeee | just the sheer number | 06:00 |
| pupnik | ah GeneralAntilles, one of the great nokia bashers | 06:00 |
| TSCHAKeee | of whiny bitches | 06:00 |
| TSCHAKeee | apple really has done a number | 06:01 |
| * GeneralAntilles brandishes his frozen trout. | 06:01 | |
| TSCHAKeee | convincing people that they need apps | 06:01 |
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| TSCHAKeee | nevermind that the whole notion of these apps wasn't even remotely part of the iPhone when it was released | 06:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | TSCHAKeee, you see the article on Planet? | 06:01 |
| TSCHAKeee | and apple's original stance was, NO APPS...ANYTHING YOU NEED...YOU MAKE A WEB PAGE FOR IT. | 06:01 |
| TSCHAKeee | but nobody remembers history | 06:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | no. | 06:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://tomch.com/wp/?p=144 | 06:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | 39 hearts | 06:02 |
| pupnik | TSCHAKeee seems to have some brain | 06:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | oh wait, yes, i read this. | 06:03 |
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| pupnik | http://events.linuxfoundation.org/lfcs2010/meego-workgroup << umm. this isn't impressive | 06:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | somebody actually wrote in a thread "I predict one of the cell phone manufacturers will buy ARM"... hahahahahahahahhaha | 06:05 |
| pupnik | there are more important things to do than make fun of children | 06:06 |
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| GAN900 | pupnik, why not? | 06:22 |
| GAN900 | The MeeGo Connectivity Framework talk was interesting. | 06:23 |
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| pupnik | "There’s a reason elite schools speak of training leaders, not thinkers — holders of power, not its critics." | 06:24 |
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| CosmoHill | 400 more words to go | 06:35 |
| Xisdibik | for what CosmoHill? | 06:38 |
| CosmoHill | my web design assignment | 06:38 |
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| CosmoHill | it requires a write up of what I've done and why | 06:38 |
| Xisdibik | CosmoHill: how long is the write up? | 06:39 |
| CosmoHill | 1200 ~ 1500 words | 06:39 |
| Xisdibik | not bad, I wrote a 2300 word essay for a native american and U.S. laws class earlier | 06:39 |
| CosmoHill | how long did that take you? | 06:39 |
| CosmoHill | either my ears are really sensitive at this time of day or my server is getting louder | 06:43 |
| Xisdibik | most of the day | 06:43 |
| Xisdibik | with breaks for food and phone calls etc | 06:43 |
| Xisdibik | though i was also finishing up a two 2-3 page essays as well today | 06:43 |
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| Xisdibik | -a | 06:44 |
| CosmoHill | I'm currently writing an "Executive Summary" | 06:46 |
| CosmoHill | I'm not sure why you'd need one on a 3 page report tho... | 06:46 |
| TSCHAKeee | what is nbtk/mx called now? | 06:47 |
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| CosmoHill | I'm off to sleep now, bye | 07:17 |
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| pupnik | hey TSCHAKeee you smartass, wanna explain why this SDL app is not taking input from keyboard? :) | 07:38 |
| pupnik | i love it when people tell me things are simple | 07:39 |
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| TSCHAKeee | pupnik: look at the sdl initialization code for the n900 port of vice. | 08:00 |
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| pupnik | you a good man TSCHAKeee | 08:25 |
| pupnik | yeah there are others who did it and made it work | 08:26 |
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| slaine | morning all | 10:13 |
| slaine | \ | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | morn slaine! | 10:13 |
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| Stskeeps | morning dneary | 10:55 |
| CosmoHill | hey Stskeeps | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | hi | 10:56 |
| dneary | hi Stskeeps | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | how's it going? fighting with getting 2.6.33 booting on the n900 qemu here | 10:58 |
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| CosmoHill | morning thiago_home | 11:00 |
| thiago_home | morning | 11:00 |
| lbt | dneary: http://djangosnippets.org/ | 11:01 |
| * CosmoHill will be grouchy until his assignment is handed in | 11:01 | |
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| dneary | lbt: context? | 11:03 |
| dneary | lbt, Ah - contrib code wiki | 11:03 |
| lbt | :) | 11:03 |
| * lbt loves django.... superb for data-driven web stuff | 11:03 | |
| CosmoHill | I'm allowed to giggle at the 75 mac my university has bought over the last year that all run windows and the only working browser on both systems is IE | 11:04 |
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| lbt | dneary: I also envision http://djangopeople.net/ | 11:04 |
| dneary | lbt, Big django fan, are we? :) | 11:04 |
| lbt | being our "who's who" | 11:04 |
| dneary | There's also the django book which is a good model for the developer guide, I think | 11:04 |
| lbt | dneary: when the alternative is php or java .... yes | 11:04 |
| dneary | Paragraph by paragraph annotations & comments | 11:05 |
| lbt | dneary: yep, http://www.djangobook.com/en/2.0/chapter02/ .... take a look at the last comment on every chapter ... ;) | 11:05 |
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| lbt | I proposed that annotation model last year around the time I was writing those comments | 11:06 |
| lbt | if we *have* to have static docs somewhere then it's useful ... hmm.... it might also be cool to integrate that presentation mechanism into mediawiki | 11:07 |
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| lbt | hmm that might be worth getting someone to fund | 11:08 |
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| dneary | lbt, That'd be a bit too Javascript heavy for Mediawiki... | 11:13 |
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| lbt | dneary: should be doable in a javascript plugin in the theme | 11:17 |
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| Stskeeps | townxelliot: cool work on the style guides :) | 11:19 |
| lbt | ISTR reading up on annotation hyperlinks a few years back | 11:19 |
| lbt | links appear in a document but are placed there from another document.... | 11:19 |
| townxelliot | Stskeeps: thanks; I'm just moving documentation tasks into bugs.meego.com as we speak | 11:19 |
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| dneary | lbt, praps | 11:23 |
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| lbt | dneary: what you'd do is click on "show annotations"... the js would pull in the 'talk' page and insert clicky-icons into the document. part-2 would be a "click to add annotation" which would popup a small editor and add it to the talk page | 11:23 |
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| lbt | just thoughts | 11:23 |
| * lbt gets back to work | 11:24 | |
| dneary | Ah - so the annotations still get put into the Talk page? | 11:24 |
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| lcuk | lbt nice :) | 12:05 |
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| pupnik | mmm lcuk you don't insult me in channels anymore | 12:13 |
| pupnik | right :) | 12:14 |
| CosmoHill | sounds like you miss the insults | 12:14 |
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| pupnik | nah, we are at peace | 12:15 |
| pupnik | i was just thinking of how bad it could get | 12:15 |
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| CosmoHill | to the point where you graphically describe how one of you would murder the other? | 12:18 |
| lcuk | pupnik, i shall remember to insult you as i just did to david a few minutes ago. how often would you like your motivational insult, once per day/hour/minute? | 12:18 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk, you could set it up as a cron job | 12:19 |
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| * CosmoHill plays connect three with his printer error lights | 12:19 | |
| lcuk | i could but thats a little inpersonal | 12:19 |
| pupnik | nah we will declare peace. i just remembered we have to do that lcuk | 12:19 |
| pupnik | not to mention the respect | 12:20 |
| pupnik | but i remember with lol the fun we had | 12:20 |
| CosmoHill | at least it's not like the crap in high school | 12:20 |
| CosmoHill | at one point we were insulting each other by calling each other numbers | 12:20 |
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| CosmoHill | you then had to go and find someone who knew what the numbers meant | 12:21 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, interesting, was there a healthy trade in manipulating the master number list? | 12:21 |
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| CosmoHill | duno | 12:22 |
| lcuk | "ill give you my dinner money if you change #47 to be 'yo momma'" | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | CosmoHill: 'zeroes', by chance? | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:22 |
| CosmoHill | you could insult someone really badly and get away with it cos by the time they found out what it meant you had already gone | 12:22 |
| CosmoHill | personally i don't see a reason to insult someone in such a way | 12:23 |
| CosmoHill | you either just plain insult them or say something very smart that they work out hours later | 12:23 |
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| vaughan_ | meego v1.0 is coming | 12:37 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, but when? :P | 12:37 |
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| CosmoHill | hey trem | 12:39 |
| trem | hey hey CosmoHill | 12:40 |
| lbt | that was an insult lcuk? | 12:42 |
| vaughan_ | http://repo.meego.com/ | 12:42 |
| lcuk | lbt a vicious malicious one ramarking how terribly cool that django stuff was! | 12:43 |
| lbt | you mean http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/ | 12:43 |
| vaughan_ | en | 12:43 |
| lbt | lcuk: it really is .... | 12:43 |
| lcuk | i agree | 12:43 |
| lbt | so many toys | 12:43 |
| lcuk | ive been talking about wikified code for ages | 12:44 |
| lcuk | it gives me ideas | 12:44 |
| lbt | bollocks | 12:44 |
| lbt | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.0/repo/source/ | 12:44 |
| lcuk | pardon | 12:44 |
| lbt | oh, it's all empty... I thought there was a release there... I wanted to run our release-reporter against it | 12:45 |
| wazd | ~seen vdvsx | 12:46 |
| infobot | vdvsx <~Valerio@Maemo/community/contributor/VDVsx> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 4d 20h 1m 52s ago, saying: 'fine here :D'. | 12:46 |
| lbt | why the hell, in an open project do people think it's clever to hide things? | 12:46 |
| lbt | If in doubt *DONT DO IT* | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | er, if in doubt don't hide, or don't publish? | 12:47 |
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| Stskeeps | but that just looks like a empty repo | 12:48 |
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| Stskeeps | waiting to be populated | 12:48 |
| lbt | someone actually spent time and effort making sure http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo didn't show http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/ | 12:48 |
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| Stskeeps | next question is | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | where is the codedrop sources? | 12:49 |
| lbt | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/trunk/repo/source/ ? | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | true | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | that's a bit hidden | 12:49 |
| lbt | my point exactly | 12:49 |
| lbt | FFS | 12:49 |
| vaughan_ | sync the both will take some time | 12:50 |
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| lbt | <<<< IT IS "OPEN" PEOPLE >>>> | 12:50 |
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| Termana | lbt - LIES! | 12:52 |
| lbt | never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by bloody idiocy | 12:53 |
| * thiago_home wonders what open people are | 12:53 | |
| w00t_ | thiago_home: people cut open, presumably | 12:53 |
| lbt | heh, w00t_ you beat me to it... | 12:54 |
| timeless_mbp | so um | 12:54 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders how to get xz :) | 12:54 | |
| * lbt points timeless_mbp to the leopard in the basement | 12:54 | |
| lbt | it's there... but don't expect us to make your life easy... | 12:55 |
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| lcuk | accessible code > open code | 12:55 |
| lcuk | ;) | 12:55 |
| ebi_ | hello | 12:55 |
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| Stskeeps | lo ebi_ | 12:56 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: i'd make the code accessible if someone would help me get xz :) | 12:56 |
| lbt | heh | 12:58 |
| timeless_mbp | lbt: have you tried http://mxr.moego.org/repo.moblin.org/ | 12:58 |
| lbt | no... bookmarked | 12:59 |
| timeless_mbp | there are other roots too | 13:00 |
| timeless_mbp | although the maemo6 root has sources that are newer than its index (i'm in the middle of an update) | 13:00 |
| * timeless_mbp is trying to get repo.meego.com/ working, but that requires xz | 13:01 | |
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| Stskeeps | hm, at least it seems like we can quite well follow trunk & extras | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | on IA side | 13:03 |
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| Stskeeps | and IVI | 13:03 |
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| larsemil | hola! is meego translated to swedish? | 13:07 |
| timeless_mbp | http://mxr.moego.org/repo.moblin.org/find?text=&string=%2Fsv.*po | 13:09 |
| timeless_mbp | moblin was | 13:09 |
| timeless_mbp | there's no reason to expect meego not to be | 13:09 |
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| timeless_mbp | but i don't think "hola" is a word in swedish | 13:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | you want "hej" | 13:14 |
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| Surfa | well, there are many greetings in languages that aren't native :P | 13:17 |
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| timeless_mbp | Niihau | 13:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | is my favorite, but it's kinda strange to say hello in Spanish and then ask for help w/ Swedish | 13:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/home/timeless/usr/lib/ /home/timeless/usr/bin/xz --help | 13:31 |
| timeless_mbp | Usage: /home/timeless/usr/bin/xz [OPTION]... [FILE]... | 13:31 |
| timeless_mbp | Compress or decompress FILEs in the .xz format. | 13:31 |
| timeless_mbp | :) | 13:31 |
| timeless_mbp | happy happy | 13:31 |
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| ebi_ | ive got some first level support probelm with meego... | 13:46 |
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| ebi_ | the Host has IP 192.168.2.14/24 on usb0 and the N900 has 192.168.2.15/24 but pings are not working, what did i miss | 13:47 |
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| Stskeeps | you followed http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Tips_and_Tricks/N900_USB_Networking ? | 13:48 |
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| ebi_ | anyone wants to help me? | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | well did you answer my question? :P | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | you followed http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Tips_and_Tricks/N900_USB_Networking ? | 14:02 |
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| lbt | any python/rpm packager people here? | 14:04 |
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| lbt | we need to create an rpm of a simple python app which depends on some other python libs | 14:05 |
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| ebi_ | Stskeeps, well yes :for the rest i'd say yes the udev rules are only setting the Alias usb0-->n900, don'T they? | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | ifconfig usb0 up on both sides? | 14:07 |
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| ebi_ | yes indeed | 14:07 |
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| ebi_ | up with correct ip | 14:07 |
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| ebi_ | Stskeeps, yes with correct IP 14 and 15 on the n900 | 14:08 |
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| Khertan | Hi | 14:12 |
| CosmoHill | bonjour | 14:13 |
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| ebi_ | working now, confused naming, usb1 is what should be 0, but the device PATH are also confused, strange | 14:22 |
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| ebi_ | could be the fact of a very new kernel... | 14:22 |
| ebi_ | on host | 14:23 |
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| ebi_ | is xorg-x11-twm not used anymore? | 14:52 |
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| ebi_ | yum install xorg-x11-twm say "No package xorg-x11-twm available." What to do? | 15:12 |
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| ebi_ | which command will update the yum data | 15:14 |
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| slaine | DawnFoster: you about yet ? | 17:12 |
| DawnFoster | slaine: mostly :) | 17:12 |
| DawnFoster | I'm into my second cup of tea | 17:13 |
| slaine | that's a good start | 17:13 |
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| slaine | I'm due a coffee actually, starting to flag | 17:13 |
| DawnFoster | were you able to track Amy down today? | 17:13 |
| slaine | I haven't heard from her yet | 17:14 |
| slaine | was wondering if you have | 17:14 |
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| DawnFoster | no, nothing | 17:15 |
| DawnFoster | I hope she didn't get delayed on the way over | 17:15 |
| slaine | she's at the opening ceremony I assume, as that was today | 17:15 |
| DawnFoster | ah, good point | 17:15 |
| slaine | I just hope i've time to meet her | 17:16 |
| slaine | my wife is going to dinner with some friends this evening, so I won't be able to hang around | 17:16 |
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| slaine | DawnFoster: Is amy flying back tonight ? | 17:22 |
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| DawnFoster | I'm not quite sure. I think she was flying out tomorrow morning. | 17:23 |
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| slaine | Hmmm, I was going to suggest that I'm available tomorrow morning if she was here for a little longer | 17:23 |
| slaine | I've about 45mins to kill while my son is at music school | 17:23 |
| slaine | well, look, if we don't get to meet up, the please feel free to keep dialog open via the existing email thread and I'll do my best to help where I can | 17:24 |
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| DawnFoster | that sounds good. I'm going to send her an sms to remind her to call you. | 17:25 |
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| alterego | Right, gnome time :) later #maemo | 18:46 |
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| slaine | thank crunchy it's friday | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | indeed | 18:49 |
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| Stskeeps | meep | 20:07 |
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| heffer | lbt, ping | 21:10 |
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| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: btw, just to have it placed exactly in my mind, your role is community manager within meego project, employed by intel to do this? | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | or liberated or how you look at it :) | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | initially i had the impression of "intel's community manager towards meego" or something | 21:48 |
| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: I was hired by Intel as community manager for Intel | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: wasn't exactly sure how things are set up | 21:49 |
| DawnFoster | as a community manager employed by a corporation, my job it to do the right thing for the community as a whole while also doing what I need to do for intel | 21:49 |
| DawnFoster | it's a joint role with Quim, of course | 21:49 |
| DawnFoster | it/is | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | thanks - just needed to clear it up in my mind :) | 21:50 |
| * Stskeeps goes back to hacking meego onto nokia n810 | 21:51 | |
| DawnFoster | have fun! | 21:51 |
| Myrtti | GAN900: Have I recently declared my undying love for you? | 21:53 |
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| Myrtti | GAN900: I LUBS U ♥ | 21:55 |
| GAN900 | Myrtti, lol, what'd I do? | 21:55 |
| Myrtti | you took photos at the conference on the day I didn't, and you licenced them cc-by-sa ♥ | 21:56 |
| Myrtti | DawnFoster: is it ok if I include your photo of the sticker to my blogpost? | 21:56 |
| Myrtti | (the one you've got on your photostream) | 21:57 |
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| DawnFoster | absolutely | 21:57 |
| GAN900 | Myrtti, hehe. Too bad I didn't bring my real camera | 21:58 |
| GAN900 | The N900 ones didn't turn out so well | 21:58 |
| DawnFoster | I just changed the license to CC Attribution-Share Alike to make it official | 21:58 |
| GAN900 | and I didn't take enough. | 21:58 |
| DawnFoster | I default to all rights reserved due to the large number of pictures of my adorable young nephew :) | 21:59 |
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| Myrtti | I default all to cc-by-sa due to my history of a Wikipedian | 22:00 |
| Myrtti | damn that historic baggage | 22:00 |
| DawnFoster | That used to be my default, but it was making my family uncomfortable | 22:00 |
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| Myrtti | what I do with family pictures is I upload them as private, check the licence to all rights reserved and ask if it's ok | 22:01 |
| Myrtti | (to publish them) | 22:01 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders who's initially liable for what meego (project) puts out | 22:07 | |
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| Stskeeps | question came to my mind since there's people doing open source charging daemons now | 22:07 |
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| Myrtti | meh, I guess I should just let go of these blog posts and go ahead and publish them | 22:32 |
| Myrtti | I can waffle over them forever | 22:32 |
| lbt | heffer: pong | 22:33 |
| DawnFoster | that's the danger with blogging. I can tweak & edit forever, | 22:33 |
| lbt | heh... | 22:33 |
| DawnFoster | have to force myself to call it "done" or "good enough" | 22:33 |
| heffer | lbt, how do you feel about kicking off our MeeGo Packaging Day somewhere at the end of May/beginning of June? | 22:33 |
| lcuk | release early, release often | 22:33 |
| heffer | aka. in about two weeks | 22:33 |
| lbt | heffer: sounds good | 22:33 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, it will never be done, but open it up for the community to help fix it ;) | 22:33 |
| DawnFoster | exactly! | 22:34 |
| lcuk | nothing is better to bring in page views than mistakes :D | 22:34 |
| heffer | i hope most of the fog of war has lifted and a direction has become clearer :) | 22:34 |
| lbt | heffer: my team in nokia are working on this too | 22:34 |
| heffer | great! | 22:34 |
| lbt | hmm. I don't know if the OBS will be up by then | 22:34 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: you can always update it after people point out all the mistakes in the comments :) | 22:34 |
| Myrtti | California Dreamin’, release 1.1 (Linux Foundation Collaboration Summit, day 1): http://myrtti.fi/blog/2010/05/14/california-dreamin-release-1-1-linux-foundation-collaboration-summit-day-1/ | 22:34 |
| lbt | they're pulling in new hardware and I don't know when it'll be ready | 22:34 |
| lbt | heffer: have you seen the rpm-school | 22:35 |
| heffer | lbt, I assume waiting for that might be wise? | 22:35 |
| lbt | and the packaging guidelines | 22:35 |
| lbt | yes, I think it would be | 22:35 |
| * Myrtti waits for 15mins and then publishes the second one | 22:35 | |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, revisionist history! bah - im a slashdot user and comments are not modifiable or deletable so am used to it | 22:35 |
| heffer | lbt, no. where do i find it? | 22:35 |
| lcuk | suppose its like email lol | 22:35 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: I always clearly specify the updates | 22:36 |
| lbt | http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging | 22:36 |
| DawnFoster | no revisionist history | 22:36 |
| lbt | http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging/Guidelines | 22:36 |
| DawnFoster | I also don't delete comments unless they are clearly spam | 22:36 |
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| lbt | heffer: IMHO they're .... "in need of some TLC" | 22:36 |
| lbt | (there are ladies present!) | 22:36 |
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| heffer | :) | 22:37 |
| heffer | if they're adapted from OpenSUSE and Fedora i should be familiar with them already | 22:37 |
| heffer | as OpenSUSE adapted it's guidelines from Fedora too | 22:37 |
| lbt | jeremiah was going to look at the debian packaging guidelines and policy | 22:37 |
| lbt | and try to bring some extra meat over | 22:37 |
| lbt | I just feel we need someone dedicated to this for a while | 22:38 |
| lbt | it's pretty crucial stuff | 22:38 |
| lbt | and the people (like anas) who started it | 22:38 |
| lbt | are spending more time doing meego dev work | 22:38 |
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| lcuk | lbt for some packages will automatic conversion be possible | 22:40 |
| lcuk | at least workable enough to show the developer how their package should look | 22:41 |
| lcuk | or will this be something each package will have to handle individually | 22:41 |
| lbt | it's a bad idea I think | 22:41 |
| lcuk | i do too i can see how easily it would go pearshaped | 22:41 |
| lbt | but others may know better solutions and disagree ... | 22:41 |
| lcuk | ok, replace automatic conversion with documented testcases of non trivial apps | 22:41 |
| lcuk | ie members of packaging team actually work with specific devs to assist | 22:42 |
| lcuk | and document along the way | 22:42 |
| lcuk | to help show others | 22:42 |
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| lbt | hmm | 22:42 |
| lbt | DawnFoster: your thoughts? | 22:43 |
| lbt | how do we get people to teach others? | 22:43 |
| lcuk | obviously it would need gearing up to | 22:43 |
| lbt | like lcuk says... we need a packaging team to help devs learn | 22:43 |
| heffer | okay. i think if you get the buildsys up we could get people started with building/migrating packages on this event | 22:43 |
| lbt | *nod* I'd like to see some (shhh) karma go their way though | 22:44 |
| lbt | (however it's measured.... recognition) | 22:44 |
| tmzt | Myrtti: interesting read | 22:44 |
| lcuk | of course, its similar to what i was saying re testing squad intermediaries | 22:44 |
| lbt | and, responsibility too, we need to rely on people to help us | 22:44 |
| heffer | a free Nokia Mug :P | 22:44 |
| lbt | that's all it would take you know... | 22:44 |
| lcuk | no, hugs are better than mugs | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | isn't merit enough? | 22:45 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:45 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: no | 22:45 |
| lbt | T-shirts | 22:45 |
| lbt | \o/ | 22:45 |
| heffer | yay! | 22:45 |
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| lcuk | only if you are keeping count somewhere :p | 22:45 |
| DawnFoster | I'm tired of talking about karma | 22:45 |
| lcuk | lbt, speaking of swag hows your qt bag :p | 22:45 |
| lbt | so I went to Nokia the other day and all those guys had meego stickers | 22:45 |
| lbt | lcuk: err.... | 22:46 |
| lcuk | :p | 22:46 |
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| lbt | heffer: OK, lets put something together but make it dependent on the OBS | 22:47 |
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| lbt | we'll take a flyer that it'll be up in 2-4 weeks | 22:47 |
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| lbt | http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging#Packaging_School | 22:54 |
| lbt | http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging/School | 22:54 |
| lbt | heffer: ^^^ | 22:54 |
| lbt | lcuk: you too ... and DawnFoster... what do you think? how do we make this work? | 22:54 |
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| DawnFoster | I haven't been involved enough in packaging to have concrete advice | 22:55 |
| DawnFoster | I'm also multi-tasking in another meeting and not really keeping up here | 22:55 |
| lbt | no, but we need to plan, book, promote | 22:55 |
| lbt | np... some other time | 22:56 |
| heffer | lbt, okay. sounds great. i'm around here most of the time so just ping me if you got news | 22:56 |
| heffer | i'd also like to remind you of our wiki page on the fedora wiki https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MeeGo_Packaging_FAD | 22:56 |
| lbt | heffer: well, to start with we need to organise and get commitments | 22:56 |
| heffer | i'll post some updates to our mailing lists as well as the Fedora Planet to get some people going | 22:57 |
| lbt | ok, cc me please? | 22:57 |
| heffer | sure | 22:57 |
| heffer | okay. dinner is ready. so i'm afk for a while now | 22:57 |
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| lbt | I'll make a list of planners and add you | 22:58 |
| lbt | update later svp | 22:58 |
| lcuk | lbt sounds good to me D | 22:59 |
| lcuk | +: | 22:59 |
| lbt | th0br0: ping ... did you want to help coach on the rpm packaging weekend? | 22:59 |
| th0br0 | lbt: pong. yes. when will it be? | 22:59 |
| lbt | when the OBS is up :) | 22:59 |
| lbt | mid June? | 22:59 |
| th0br0 | :) ok | 22:59 |
| th0br0 | mh. I'll be in the states starting 24 jun till aug 6. I should be around most of the time | 22:59 |
| lbt | not long if we have to write some tutorials and prepare | 22:59 |
| lbt | hopefully 4 that | 23:00 |
| th0br0 | yep | 23:00 |
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| heffer | we only had some rice pudding :) | 23:10 |
| lbt | :D | 23:11 |
| lbt | http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging/School | 23:11 |
| lbt | damn, didn't save | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 23:12 |
| heffer | lbt, okay. great. i think i have a meego account already | 23:12 |
| heffer | lemme check | 23:12 |
| lbt | OMG... "It's just text" plugin for firefox | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | i need some good specify/YAML reference - any ood ideas where to fin it? | 23:12 |
| lbt | www.notjson.com ? | 23:13 |
| Stskeeps | ie, spectacle/specify | 23:13 |
| heffer | ah found it. it's simply "felix2 | 23:13 |
| heffer | "felix" | 23:13 |
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