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trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 00:21 |
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lbt | from maemo.org OBS :) | 00:21 |
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slaine | they seem to have a giant iPad on the BBC News | 00:27 |
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dl9pf | lbt: cool | 00:29 |
lbt | :) | 00:29 |
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lcuk | GAN900, which one - he sends lots | 00:35 |
slaine | GAN900: link ? | 00:38 |
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CosmoHill | I need motivation >.< | 00:39 |
lcuk | someone op up and kick CosmoHill ;) | 00:40 |
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GAN900 | lcuk, Sprint meeting one. | 00:48 |
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CosmoHill | If you replace the word "change" with the word "spiders", the Conservatives become very scary. | 02:56 |
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TSCHAKeee | hahaha | 03:03 |
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CosmoHill | :) | 03:11 |
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Termana | good morning | 03:54 |
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Jaffa | Termana: Bollocks. Must be time to go to bed, and leave #ukvote to sort itself out | 04:05 |
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CosmoHill | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/default.stm | 04:06 |
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Termana | Jaffa, :P | 04:10 |
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CosmoHill | I hate my uni cover sheets | 04:27 |
CosmoHill | they've managed to make something that will only work in IE | 04:27 |
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ljp | i feel your pain | 04:36 |
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CosmoHill | I need to write 500 words :( | 04:38 |
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CosmoHill | cyas | 05:23 |
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Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:40 |
Stskeeps | morn | 11:41 |
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slaine | time for coffee and toast me thinks | 11:45 |
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dl9pf_ | lbt: whats the linked project on meego obs side ? where you issue happenz ? | 12:46 |
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WAHa_06x36 | slaine: you asked earlier if I got anywhere with that watchdog problem (and I've been forgetting to look at IRC) | 15:13 |
WAHa_06x36 | slaine: what I ended up doing was compiling a new kernel without NOWAYOUT set. that's not a particularly good solution, but it worked at least. | 15:14 |
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slaine | WAHa_06x36: right, so still no idea what was pat'ing the dog then | 15:22 |
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WAHa_06x36 | slaine: right. | 15:34 |
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WAHa_06x36 | slaine: I got so far that I figured out it happened BEFORE udev was started, though. | 15:34 |
WAHa_06x36 | slaine: because I completely removed /dev/watchdog from udev, and it still started. | 15:34 |
WAHa_06x36 | so it probably happened in devtmpfs instead. | 15:35 |
slaine | nice | 15:35 |
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chem|st | dumdidum | 15:42 |
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tekojo | ping slaine | 15:52 |
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slaine | ACK | 15:53 |
tekojo | would you be interested in getting your hands dirty with the community apps infra? | 15:53 |
slaine | hell yes | 15:54 |
th0br0 | ^^ | 15:54 |
tekojo | great! | 15:54 |
tekojo | oh th0br0 was going to ask you too :) | 15:54 |
th0br0 | cool. | 15:55 |
th0br0 | sure, I'd like to help out :) | 15:55 |
tekojo | th0br0 were you here all the time, I missed you in the nick list | 15:55 |
th0br0 | i was | 15:55 |
tekojo | funny | 15:55 |
th0br0 | are you using quassel? | 15:55 |
th0br0 | yeah... quassel sometimes bugs the nick list. | 15:56 |
tekojo | well anyway, I was thinking that if you two have time and interest, it would be nice to get some help on the apps thing | 15:56 |
th0br0 | sjure | 15:57 |
tekojo | there is pretty much no hardware yet, but once we have some, help would be appreciated | 15:57 |
th0br0 | ok | 15:57 |
tekojo | lbt and X-Fade can talk details | 15:57 |
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th0br0 | will ask them later on then | 15:58 |
tekojo | thanks! | 15:58 |
tekojo | Was writing the wiki page and realised I'm the least qualified person on the thing now | 15:58 |
th0br0 | :) | 15:59 |
lbt | oh hi | 15:59 |
tekojo | almost everyone here :) | 15:59 |
X-Fade | Always ;) | 15:59 |
th0br0 | haha, hi. | 15:59 |
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tekojo | at least the rpm part of the infra is a bit muddy to me | 16:01 |
slaine | Weekend is perfect for me too | 16:01 |
tekojo | so helping in the repo would be nice | 16:01 |
slaine | I'll be working and be able to set aside some time to play about | 16:01 |
* lbt is writing a blog about the OBS | 16:01 | |
lbt | there are some issues still | 16:01 |
slaine | Though, I'm an OBS n00b, so I'll have a bit of a learning curve | 16:02 |
slaine | perhaps that's a good thing | 16:02 |
th0br0 | what's not working yet? | 16:02 |
th0br0 | slaine: me too | 16:02 |
lbt | but I am *so close* to building rpmlint at home from the community OBS linked to the meego OBS | 16:02 |
slaine | I use vim to make my packages :) | 16:02 |
th0br0 | what's missing lbt? | 16:02 |
lbt | Meego OBS is using 1.8 HEAD, we're using 1.7.3 stable | 16:02 |
th0br0 | oh ... ^^ | 16:03 |
lbt | they are a commit or 3 behind and there's a mismatch in the priconf (chroot definition) | 16:03 |
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th0br0 | not much we can do then i guess | 16:03 |
lbt | tekojo: can we get these guys onto the jump server on pmo? | 16:04 |
lbt | do they need NDAs? | 16:04 |
tekojo | no NDAs needede there | 16:05 |
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tekojo | X-Fade knows where people can poke at things | 16:05 |
lbt | isn't H going on it? | 16:06 |
tekojo | but not there yet | 16:06 |
X-Fade | Only problem is that we are also testing with Maemo things on the same instance. | 16:06 |
tekojo | does it have the nokia closed binaries repo on it? | 16:06 |
X-Fade | Yes | 16:06 |
tekojo | :/ | 16:07 |
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Stskeeps | nothing that isn't solvable with going to the eula page and coming back with a repo url? :P | 16:07 |
slaine | Tell you what, wake me up when you're ready ;P | 16:07 |
X-Fade | But we can disallow access for direct downloads. | 16:07 |
tekojo | just go and click accept on the tablets-dev page? | 16:07 |
lbt | slaine, th0br0 do you have N900s? | 16:07 |
slaine | No | 16:07 |
Stskeeps | no need for the nokia-binaries repo | 16:08 |
th0br0 | no | 16:08 |
slaine | I'm an arm wannabe | 16:08 |
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tekojo | X-Fades solution sounds simple | 16:08 |
tekojo | let's go with that | 16:08 |
lbt | OK | 16:08 |
th0br0 | Right now, I've not gut much hardware to test on tbh. | 16:08 |
th0br0 | But we'll manage. | 16:08 |
lbt | so they'll need ssh to the jump box and port 80 to the obs ? | 16:08 |
tekojo | th0br0 that's not a problem, it's more about setting things up | 16:09 |
X-Fade | Realistically speaking it is still some time away from being useful as test. | 16:09 |
th0br0 | yep. | 16:09 |
slaine | I can wait | 16:09 |
slaine | sounds like you're not ready for us just yet | 16:09 |
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X-Fade | And it is also not running on final hardware. | 16:09 |
lbt | you think X-Fade? we can start meego work... and get some feedback on SDK issues and the like | 16:10 |
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X-Fade | lbt: I think it is a bit optimisitic, but that might be just me ;) | 16:11 |
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lbt | take the meego attitude "it's ready!.... here's a shell" | 16:11 |
slaine | :) | 16:11 |
tekojo | slaine I was just initially asking, but as everyone was here, it's worth seeing when things can be looked at | 16:11 |
slaine | defo | 16:12 |
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slaine | and no better way of finding out how broken it is than letting strangers bang on it | 16:12 |
lbt | *nod* | 16:12 |
lcuk | you are making OBS sound like a lady of the night | 16:13 |
slaine | I'd tap it | 16:13 |
* lbt has read the source... | 16:13 | |
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lcuk | heh | 16:13 |
slaine | lcuk, Do you like rugby ? | 16:13 |
lcuk | driven through it, nothing especially appealed | 16:14 |
lbt | <groan> | 16:14 |
slaine | Yeah, stuck there waiting for a train once. I meant the sport though | 16:14 |
th0br0 | It's a town? | 16:14 |
th0br0 | o.O | 16:14 |
slaine | th0br0: that's an insult to the name town | 16:15 |
lcuk | not especially tho when i do see it think its better than football | 16:15 |
lcuk | then just turn around and carry on hacking | 16:15 |
th0br0 | ok | 16:15 |
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tekojo | lbt and X-Fade can you make sure slaine and th0br0 can start looking at things once there is something to work on? | 16:21 |
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X-Fade | tekojo: Sure | 16:22 |
slaine | yay | 16:22 |
tekojo | thanks :) | 16:22 |
th0br0 | cool. :) | 16:23 |
lbt | OK, so my plan is... | 16:24 |
lbt | get OBS to build stuff against MeeGo.com both on the service and locally | 16:24 |
lbt | setup some structures and processes to do that for a local copy of each MeeGo 'release' | 16:25 |
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lbt | then get you guys to help reproduce and document this | 16:25 |
lbt | and work through any issues and ideas | 16:25 |
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timeless_mbp | lbt: hey | 16:32 |
timeless_mbp | can you get me a meego rootstrap that works on linux from 2006? :) | 16:32 |
thiago | linux from 2006? | 16:33 |
timeless_mbp | ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, stripped | 16:33 |
thiago | that's Linux from 2010 for me | 16:33 |
thiago | /bin/ls: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, stripped | 16:33 |
timeless_mbp | ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.25, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.25, stripped | 16:33 |
timeless_mbp | the meego i was given requires 2.6.25 | 16:34 |
* thiago thinks that "GNU" part is wrong | 16:34 | |
thiago | that version is the kernel version | 16:34 |
timeless_mbp | ? | 16:34 |
thiago | just mumbling about the use of "GNU/Linux" incorrectly | 16:35 |
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* timeless_mbp ponders | 16:35 | |
timeless_mbp | yes, it's wrong | 16:35 |
timeless_mbp | Linux here is just kernel space | 16:35 |
timeless_mbp | gnu is userspace | 16:35 |
smoku | one sed to far... | 16:35 |
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pupnik_ | nice to see you smoku | 16:36 |
* timeless_mbp is confused | 16:36 | |
pupnik_ | hows emulators going? | 16:36 |
* timeless_mbp thought this didn't work | 16:36 | |
timeless_mbp | /bin/bash: /home/timeless/sb2/meego/lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.11' not found (required by /bin/bash) | 16:37 |
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timeless_mbp | thiago: that's the other half | 16:37 |
timeless_mbp | looks like i can settle for a linux from 2008 | 16:37 |
timeless_mbp | but building one for oct 2009 does me no good | 16:37 |
thiago | that seems wrong | 16:38 |
thiago | the libc inside the rootstrap isn't new enough? | 16:38 |
timeless_mbp | the libc in the scratchbox is too new? | 16:38 |
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timeless_mbp | my favorite line is this: | 16:39 |
timeless_mbp | FATAL: kernel too old | 16:39 |
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timeless_mbp | /bin/bash: relocation error: /bin/bash: symbol strlen, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference | 16:51 |
timeless_mbp | do you prefer that? | 16:52 |
smoku | pupnik_, crawling... there's a lot of rearning to walk yet ;-) | 16:52 |
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timeless_mbp | all i want is a nice simple meego which runs on my linux machine which wasn't born yesterday | 16:54 |
Stskeeps | when was it born? :P | 16:54 |
timeless_mbp | i know people think all linux boxes should be reborn every day, sometimes two or three times a day | 16:54 |
timeless_mbp | but... | 16:54 |
* thiago wonders how many ABI-incompatible strlen there can be | 16:54 | |
timeless_mbp | CentOS release 5.4 (Final) | 16:54 |
thiago | for one single arch, that is | 16:54 |
timeless_mbp | http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=symbol+strlen,+version+GLIBC_2.0+not+defined+in+file+libc.so.6+with+link+time+reference&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 | 16:56 |
timeless_mbp | google says plenty of people hit this stupid error message | 16:56 |
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timeless_mbp | http://foldingforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=12939 is my favorite post on this subject | 16:58 |
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Stskeeps | i wonder who'll be the first to run meego on 770 | 17:00 |
Stskeeps | :P | 17:00 |
lcuk | Stskeeps, meego will run on a cig lighter first | 17:00 |
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Stskeeps | well, it is armv5.. | 17:01 |
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lbt | Stskeeps: where are we on Fremantle on OBS? | 17:17 |
Stskeeps | lbt: temporarily stalled while i've been focused on other things | 17:18 |
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lbt | Feeling bored this weekend? | 17:18 |
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Stskeeps | not sure yet | 17:19 |
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X-Fade | Hehe ;) | 17:19 |
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lbt | OK - let me know | 17:19 |
X-Fade | Planning to be bored, nice. | 17:19 |
slaine | need some chocolate or something, and more coffee | 17:19 |
lcuk | always need more coffee | 17:19 |
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Stskeeps | lbt: but ask me in the morning and my thoughts should be more clearer :) | 17:22 |
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lbt | I shall wait for them to be "more clearer" | 17:22 |
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w00t_ | "outlook hazy" | 17:22 |
lbt | w00t_: introspection at work... | 17:23 |
Stskeeps | more like not enough sleep due to a $@% car alarm | 17:23 |
Stskeeps | :P | 17:23 |
jedix | frementle needs a password too right now, right? | 17:24 |
timeless_mbp | ? | 17:25 |
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th0br0 | right, I'll be back in ~3 h ttyl | 17:28 |
jedix | the obs server | 17:28 |
Myrtti | moin peeps | 17:28 |
lbt | moin | 17:28 |
Stskeeps | jedix: atm it's more like a experiment, not really a production site | 17:29 |
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jedix | nod, most things are | 17:30 |
jedix | by the sound of things anyways :) | 17:31 |
jedix | at least my build setup is an experiment as well | 17:31 |
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smoku | timeless, couldn't you just recompile the problematic binary for your glibc? | 17:32 |
* jedix is still trying to get crosscompile working in obs | 17:32 | |
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timeless_mbp | smoku: you mean the entirely meego platform? | 17:33 |
timeless_mbp | yeah, that sounds like fun | 17:33 |
timeless_mbp | i think that's precisely why i asked someone else to build meego for me in the first place | 17:33 |
jedix | haha | 17:34 |
jedix | can't you just clone the obs if you have access? | 17:34 |
timeless_mbp | i don't have access | 17:34 |
jedix | me either! | 17:34 |
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timeless_mbp | and i don't think it's any more likely to work than the rootfs i got that didn't work | 17:34 |
jedix | I'm trying to clone the binaries and setup an obs server to build | 17:35 |
timeless_mbp | i could just build xz, since that's all i think i need today | 17:35 |
timeless_mbp | but it's more fun to complain about meego-sb2 in general than xz | 17:35 |
jedix | sb2? xz? | 17:35 |
timeless_mbp | google? | 17:36 |
jedix | hehe | 17:36 |
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jedix | scratchbox 2? | 17:36 |
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jedix | it's annoying because setting up cross compile expects you to have access to an obs that has support for the arch/distro | 17:43 |
jedix | if that was the case.. I'd just use that | 17:44 |
lbt | does it? | 17:44 |
jedix | well, the docs do | 17:44 |
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jedix | they seem to assume building debian | 17:45 |
timeless_mbp | obs is 'opensuse-build-system' | 17:46 |
timeless_mbp | you should be able to find setup instructions from opensuse :) | 17:47 |
timeless_mbp | the debian instructions is because some people drank the nokia coolaid | 17:47 |
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timeless_mbp | and thus have debian systems and need extra help | 17:47 |
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jedix | http://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service/Concepts/CrossDevelopment uses debian setup for the example | 17:47 |
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jedix | it says to grab the prjconf from the debian:etch builds | 17:47 |
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jedix | which doesn't work for me :/ | 17:48 |
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timeless_mbp | jedix: i think that's for targeting debian | 17:49 |
timeless_mbp | which is obviously harder to do on an opensuse box | 17:49 |
timeless_mbp | and thus more interesting of a demo | 17:49 |
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timeless_mbp | http://wiki.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Installation_CentOS | 17:51 |
timeless_mbp | might be interesting | 17:51 |
smoku | timeless, you can build meego image in meego chroot | 17:51 |
smoku | tim_jenssen, http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation#Running_mic-chroot | 17:52 |
timeless_mbp | smoku: thanks | 17:52 |
timeless_mbp | did you notice that i don't have a working meego chroot? | 17:52 |
smoku | damn autocomplete :/ | 17:52 |
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smoku | couldn't you just download a working one? | 17:53 |
timeless_mbp | i've downloaded two | 17:53 |
timeless_mbp | neither worked | 17:53 |
timeless_mbp | do you think this is fun? | 17:54 |
smoku | I'm sorry I tried to help. I will shut up now. | 17:54 |
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jedix | timeless_mbp: where'd you get your chroot imates? | 17:59 |
jedix | images even | 17:59 |
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slaine | my brain has turned to mush | 18:03 |
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Stskeeps | it's friday, it's normal | 18:03 |
Stskeeps | :P | 18:03 |
lcuk | did cosmohill manage to finish his assignment | 18:03 |
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* lbt yawns | 18:04 | |
lbt | pounds at sqlalchemy | 18:04 |
* CosmoHill sticks an orange in lbt's mouth | 18:04 | |
slaine | Still writing that repot CosmoHill | 18:04 |
CosmoHill | all done and handed in :D | 18:04 |
slaine | yay | 18:05 |
lcuk | <lcuk> did cosmohill manage to finish his assignment | 18:05 |
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CosmoHill | :D | 18:05 |
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timeless_mbp | jedix: one from meego.com and one from Stskeeps | 18:06 |
timeless_mbp | afaik his image is still online, and i grabbed the url from public irc logs | 18:07 |
jedix | the meego.com is devel? | 18:07 |
CosmoHill | 8 page report, 55 pages of code :o | 18:07 |
slaine | CosmoHill: well done | 18:10 |
CosmoHill | :) | 18:10 |
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TSCHAKeee | have you ever...passed out...because you were home alone...depressed about your ex-girlfriend....so you...put on some brazillian midget porn...and proceeded to masturbate...but you....used a little too much lube...and you slipped...and twisted yourself up in your sex swing....and got the harness wrapped around your neck at the exact moment you were about to drop a load....so you choked yourself? .... eh, neither have I. | 18:13 |
Termana | heh, wrong channel? :P | 18:13 |
Termana | If not, I'm not sure we wanted to hear that. | 18:14 |
TSCHAKeee | oh, damn. I thought this was #psychiatry | 18:14 |
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DawnFoster | ok, people. | 18:15 |
CosmoHill | hey DawnFoster | 18:15 |
DawnFoster | See, I *am* paying attention :) | 18:15 |
CosmoHill | I've desided not to read what TSCHAKeee said | 18:16 |
CosmoHill | decided * | 18:16 |
DawnFoster | hey CosmoHill - sounds like you finished one heck of an assignment | 18:16 |
CosmoHill | :) | 18:16 |
CosmoHill | 3 more to go :( | 18:16 |
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mandara | meego 1.0 should be released at end of May? | 18:22 |
lbt | TSCHAKeee: that's not midget porn... it's just that the Joggler only has a 5" screen... | 18:22 |
TSCHAKeee | ;) | 18:23 |
lbt | stop being miserable : http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=105529266158916&ref=mf | 18:23 |
lbt | go and apply... but note that you just lost DawnFoster as a character reference (although I think you gained w00t_) | 18:24 |
th0br0 | to write C++ or in Qt tool kit. | 18:24 |
th0br0 | fix? | 18:24 |
lbt | th0br0: it's a code | 18:24 |
lbt | embedded message | 18:24 |
CosmoHill | hey th0br0 | 18:24 |
DawnFoster | :) | 18:25 |
* lcuk shudders at facepalm required to apply | 18:25 | |
w00t_ | lbt: that hurts | 18:25 |
th0br0 | huh? | 18:25 |
w00t_ | :P | 18:25 |
lbt | TSCHAKeee: you still looking for work? | 18:26 |
DawnFoster | Also, there are some other cool MeeGo jobs posted in the LinkedIn group (Linux devs, Qt, Linux UI eng, etc.): http://bit.ly/dnTr13 | 18:26 |
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th0br0 | just what is the eu equivalent of a technical diploma? | 18:26 |
th0br0 | BSoC? | 18:26 |
th0br0 | eeh | 18:26 |
th0br0 | BoS | 18:26 |
lbt | depends how old you are | 18:26 |
slaine | DawnFoster: what LinkedIn group is that ? | 18:26 |
lbt | hand-drawn certificate from the monks... | 18:26 |
th0br0 | ;) | 18:27 |
DawnFoster | it's a MeeGo linked in group - not sure who created it | 18:27 |
th0br0 | ya nvm. it's still some time until i quit school anyway... i'm not even sure whether I want to join the it industry afterwards | 18:27 |
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CosmoHill | I'd like one of these | 18:28 |
CosmoHill | http://black-flag.co.uk/files/two-audis.jpg | 18:28 |
lbt | th0br0: <shock> .... "not IT!" | 18:30 |
lbt | meh... | 18:30 |
th0br0 | ;) | 18:31 |
lbt | http://www.dgreaves.com/bins/Cars/Tuscan/20061007-160737-PS_Lg.jpg | 18:32 |
lbt | get a cat... | 18:32 |
CosmoHill | can i have both? | 18:32 |
TSCHAKeee | ok, I applied | 18:32 |
lbt | CosmoHill: http://www.dgreaves.com/bins/Cars/06-DB7-or-XKR_Lg.jpg sure... | 18:32 |
lbt | IT sucks.... | 18:33 |
TSCHAKeee | of course, i am self taught, so.. am wondering if they'll ever look at it :P | 18:33 |
lbt | TSCHAKeee: demonstrate competence | 18:33 |
th0br0 | TSCHAKeee: what's your cv? | 18:34 |
TSCHAKeee | my cv is mostly lots of experience, little education. | 18:34 |
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TSCHAKeee | but i am an odd case, i was programming 6502 assembler when I was 4. | 18:35 |
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th0br0 | :D | 18:36 |
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* CosmoHill was 11 when he got a PC | 18:36 | |
th0br0 | when i was that age i was only toying around with dos and win 3.1 ;) | 18:36 |
TSCHAKeee | wow | 18:36 |
TSCHAKeee | thanks for making me feel old | 18:36 |
TSCHAKeee | ;) | 18:36 |
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th0br0 | :P | 18:37 |
TSCHAKeee | and it's MS-DOS :P | 18:37 |
CosmoHill | i was about 5 when we got our first PC | 18:37 |
CosmoHill | i wasn't allowed to touch it | 18:37 |
TSCHAKeee | any of you brits in here remember the RiscPC? ;) | 18:37 |
TSCHAKeee | (or the BBC computer?) ;) | 18:37 |
CosmoHill | Acorn? | 18:37 |
TSCHAKeee | yup | 18:37 |
CosmoHill | i think i was 6 | 18:38 |
th0br0 | True, TSCHAKeee. | 18:38 |
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* TSCHAKeee has a few acorn in my collection | 18:38 | |
TSCHAKeee | including an Electron | 18:38 |
DawnFoster | My first computer was an an Atari 400xl :) | 18:38 |
TSCHAKeee | DawnFoster: 600XL? | 18:38 |
CosmoHill | my first computer was a time machine | 18:38 |
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TSCHAKeee | DawnFoster: I know that architecture very well.. it was what I learned 6502 assembler on. | 18:38 |
DawnFoster | I had a 400xl and then an 800xl | 18:39 |
lcuk | TSCHAKeee, dawn laughs at your assembler knowledge, i bet she would enter binary manually whilst sipping an icecream :p | 18:39 |
TSCHAKeee | my atari 8-bits... Atari 400, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari 1200XL, and my little jewel, an actual Atari 1450XLD | 18:39 |
lcuk | ( i almost said an alcoholic drink but i dont think that started so early :P) | 18:40 |
DawnFoster | lcuk: I wish! | 18:40 |
TSCHAKeee | a few of us were actually able to pull 4,096 colours out of the ANTIC by doing a combo of DLI tricks and page flipping between three color separated images. | 18:40 |
DawnFoster | I was more of a sys admin than a programmer, but I did some assembly in college | 18:40 |
TSCHAKeee | :) | 18:41 |
* CosmoHill hands DawnFoster a hard drive and a magnetic needle and watches her program | 18:41 | |
lcuk | hard level! | 18:41 |
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slaine | I worked with a guy that programmed via switches and blinking lights | 18:41 |
TSCHAKeee | the atari 8-bit had so many neat hidden features... | 18:41 |
DawnFoster | Let's just say that I'm better suited to community manager than programmer ;) | 18:41 |
TSCHAKeee | slaine: i have a few of those machines in my collection as well :) | 18:41 |
slaine | I was playing with evil kenevil toys when I was 4 | 18:42 |
TSCHAKeee | slaine: my highlights include an Altair 8800, and a 680.. a PDP 11/45, a DG Nova... | 18:42 |
lcuk | i recall entering mandelbrot assembler/hex into my spectrum | 18:42 |
lcuk | and watching it spend 24hours to render a single frame | 18:42 |
TSCHAKeee | (of the ones that are switchy/blinkylights) | 18:42 |
lcuk | i was awestruck | 18:42 |
TSCHAKeee | :) | 18:43 |
TSCHAKeee | the Speccy | 18:43 |
TSCHAKeee | a triumph of inexpensive design | 18:43 |
lcuk | now on my 810/900s i can do it in realtime | 18:43 |
TSCHAKeee | got computers into so many hands in the UK | 18:43 |
lcuk | yeah was a win | 18:43 |
lcuk | JPP | 18:43 |
slaine | My first computer was a C64, the floppy drive cost so much, that by the time I'd saved enough for it, we sold the C64, used the floppy drive money and I bought an Amiga A500 | 18:43 |
TSCHAKeee | I was a long time C64 and Amiga user as well | 18:43 |
smoku | TSCHAKeee, wasn't that blinking like hell? i remember even 2 images interlace modes were flickering on C64 if you weren't carefull which colors you mixed | 18:44 |
lcuk | beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep beep beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee bediddldklidldidildlidliddildidlddidl | 18:44 |
TSCHAKeee | my last Amiga was a 4000. | 18:44 |
CosmoHill | I started programming in 2005 | 18:44 |
TSCHAKeee | smoku: oh yes. | 18:44 |
slaine | Nice | 18:44 |
slaine | I was playing with my a500 a few months back. Still works great | 18:44 |
TSCHAKeee | I got to meet Jay Miner before he died | 18:44 |
smoku | TSCHAKeee, so 4096 is purely theoretical :D | 18:44 |
TSCHAKeee | gave him a hug | 18:44 |
TSCHAKeee | for designing such an amazing set of chips | 18:45 |
lcuk | smoku, 4096 was feasible | 18:45 |
TSCHAKeee | (I did the same to Joe DeCuir many years later) | 18:45 |
lcuk | ham worked well | 18:45 |
TSCHAKeee | HAM worked REALLY well | 18:45 |
pippin | ... also the standard VGA could be tricked into true color modes using page flipping tricks and switching around of the pallette ... | 18:45 |
TSCHAKeee | pippin: yup, unchaining | 18:45 |
lcuk | slaine, the amiga remains one of the marvels of engineering | 18:45 |
lcuk | the components work so well together | 18:46 |
TSCHAKeee | pippin: many of us tore through Abrash's book detailing on those subjects... | 18:46 |
smoku | lcuk, you can't really consider blinking black/white as 33% gray :) | 18:46 |
slaine | My RAD setup disk for Workbench 1.3 disk still worked too. Rebooted into a full gui in 2 seconds | 18:46 |
TSCHAKeee | lcuk: completely agreed. I used mine for professional work all the way into 2000. | 18:46 |
TSCHAKeee | the Atari ST also had great bootup times too | 18:46 |
pippin | TSCHAKeee: I didnt read abrash, but back in the day my favourite trick was to do 256x256 in 256 color mode, a putpixel can have its y in ah and x in al then, no other offset math needed :) | 18:46 |
TSCHAKeee | from black to GEM in 2 seconds | 18:47 |
TSCHAKeee | pippin: :) | 18:47 |
lcuk | VGA xmode was a game changer too | 18:47 |
slaine | I cut my chops on the C64 and A500 and then got a PC when I got my first job | 18:47 |
lcuk | 320*200 planar 256 color uber quick | 18:47 |
TSCHAKeee | my primary machines were my Amiga, my TT030, and my NeXTStation in the mid 90s... at the time, my PC was a toy. | 18:47 |
slaine | first computer I felt that comfort zone from the Amiga was my first Mac | 18:48 |
TSCHAKeee | the mac felt like a dumb blonde to me | 18:48 |
TSCHAKeee | pretty, but compared to the amiga, lacking in substance. | 18:48 |
TSCHAKeee | felt that way for many years | 18:48 |
slaine | I didn't get a Mac 'til 10.3 | 18:48 |
TSCHAKeee | but I remember people I knew | 18:48 |
slaine | and that was full unix with a nice gui as far as I was concerned at the time | 18:49 |
TSCHAKeee | literally bewildered | 18:49 |
TSCHAKeee | that my Amiga was MULTITASKING | 18:49 |
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lcuk | amigabasic manual :) | 18:49 |
TSCHAKeee | yeek | 18:49 |
TSCHAKeee | leave it to microsoft | 18:49 |
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lcuk | i had that in bathroom for years | 18:49 |
slaine | hehe, those where the days | 18:49 |
TSCHAKeee | to make one of the weirdest basic implementations EVER | 18:49 |
lcuk | but it worked | 18:49 |
TSCHAKeee | and boy howdy | 18:49 |
TSCHAKeee | SLOOOOW | 18:49 |
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TSCHAKeee | :) | 18:49 |
slaine | I learned how to program from that book and from listings in magazines | 18:50 |
TSCHAKeee | no wonder AMOS took off | 18:50 |
TSCHAKeee | :) | 18:50 |
lcuk | TSCHAKeee, if you think thats slow, things have gone downhill since | 18:50 |
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TSCHAKeee | lcuk: yeah... i know | 18:50 |
TSCHAKeee | lcuk: most desktops now...feel about as fast....as workbench on my A500 | 18:50 |
slaine | we sound like a bunch of oldtimers | 18:50 |
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lcuk | arexx - another wonder that python is only just scratching the surface with | 18:50 |
TSCHAKeee | and my a500 still felt faster | 18:50 |
slaine | Wait..... | 18:50 |
TSCHAKeee | lcuk: agreed... REXX was an amazing language... and it was an interesting choice to port it | 18:50 |
lcuk | cygnused pwns all for speed/flexibility | 18:51 |
TSCHAKeee | and boy howdy did EVERYTHING | 18:51 |
TSCHAKeee | take advantage of AREXX | 18:51 |
slaine | never had the 2.x roms so never got to play with AREXX | 18:51 |
TSCHAKeee | arexx and directoryopus | 18:51 |
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TSCHAKeee | could freaking move mountains | 18:51 |
TSCHAKeee | but if you guys want to see fast | 18:52 |
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TSCHAKeee | and i mean holy shit fast | 18:52 |
lcuk | portrait dopus clone would be good on n900 | 18:52 |
TSCHAKeee | whoa whoa whoa fast | 18:52 |
TSCHAKeee | go boot AROS sometime | 18:52 |
lcuk | and having 2 n900s next to each other would be really cool | 18:52 |
TSCHAKeee | or AmigaOS 4 | 18:52 |
TSCHAKeee | from black to desktop in 5 seconds. | 18:52 |
CosmoHill | btw you guys might get to see my report / assignment later | 18:53 |
CosmoHill | depends if my lecturer will allow me to share it | 18:54 |
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CosmoHill | and also after i get my grades | 18:54 |
TSCHAKeee | cool | 18:54 |
TSCHAKeee | why wouldn't he tho? you wrote it | 18:54 |
smoku | TSCHAKeee, Amiga Workbench felto so fast, because Intuition was a separate process responsible for handling the whole UI and had the highest priority. No other system followed that design. Apple is doing something similiar in iPhone, but not quite this well. :) | 18:54 |
CosmoHill | i think it's university property | 18:54 |
lcuk | CosmoHill, sure thing, your epic has been great to hear :) | 18:54 |
CosmoHill | but I'm not sure | 18:54 |
TSCHAKeee | and it's not like, in real genius, he's going to take the laser and run off with it to some sekrit military project, right? :P :) | 18:54 |
lcuk | ask them if its possible, host it on their servers and give props to the tutors | 18:55 |
TSCHAKeee | smoku: indeed. I am very familiar with the underlying system design.. | 18:55 |
VDVsx | linux hackers looking for a job take a look: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=105529266158916 ;) | 18:55 |
CosmoHill | hmm | 18:56 |
CosmoHill | Nokia X6 for £25 a month | 18:56 |
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lcuk | i think luke got himself an x6 | 18:56 |
CosmoHill | Luke/ | 18:56 |
lcuk | not sure | 18:56 |
lcuk | luke == my eldest | 18:56 |
CosmoHill | cool | 18:56 |
VDVsx | why not an N900 ? :D | 18:57 |
CosmoHill | he's not 21 is he? | 18:57 |
lcuk | because i cant afford to buy him one - i already spent money getting tracy one | 18:57 |
TSCHAKeee | hehehehhe | 18:58 |
TSCHAKeee | kids...wanting...an N900? | 18:58 |
TSCHAKeee | *scratch-head* | 18:58 |
lcuk | yeah | 18:58 |
TSCHAKeee | you'd think...they'd want an iPhone or something | 18:58 |
TSCHAKeee | *runs* | 18:58 |
TSCHAKeee | :) | 18:58 |
lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3pvdFpA1II | 18:58 |
lcuk | but iphone doesnt do this :p | 18:58 |
CosmoHill | the iphone looks nice | 18:58 |
TSCHAKeee | yeah, but again | 18:58 |
TSCHAKeee | apple | 18:59 |
TSCHAKeee | dumb blonde | 18:59 |
TSCHAKeee | pretty on outside | 18:59 |
CosmoHill | but it still doesn't do what EVERY OTHER PHONE ON THE MARKET can do | 18:59 |
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TSCHAKeee | not much but hot air past the chest | 18:59 |
TSCHAKeee | :P | 18:59 |
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CosmoHill | TSCHAKeee: sex bot | 18:59 |
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CosmoHill | pretty on the outside, eletrical shock hazard on the inside | 18:59 |
TSCHAKeee | CosmoHill: my last girlfriend was a brazillian. hell yes. | 19:00 |
TSCHAKeee | but i always get the smart psychotic ones | 19:00 |
CosmoHill | Brazillian or Made in Brazil? | 19:00 |
TSCHAKeee | :( | 19:00 |
lcuk | are brazilians known for their electricity? | 19:00 |
TSCHAKeee | CosmoHill: both. | 19:00 |
lcuk | i somehow think of lawnmowers and parties | 19:00 |
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CosmoHill | lcuk: the library study room door handles are | 19:00 |
CosmoHill | those things are painful | 19:01 |
* TSCHAKeee still licking his wounds. | 19:01 | |
* CosmoHill pets TSCHAKeee | 19:01 | |
Votan | only thing i know about brazil is they got some hot chics daynign half naked in the streets :> | 19:01 |
lcuk | Votan, hence lawnmowers and parties | 19:01 |
TSCHAKeee | i loved her.. .but she realized she didn't love me | 19:01 |
TSCHAKeee | and that... she was going to have to change me... into what she wanted. | 19:02 |
lcuk | you mean you would have to become a man? | 19:03 |
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Termana | lcuk, your in love with the knight rider lighting aren't you? :P | 19:03 |
TSCHAKeee | lcuk: the man, she wanted. | 19:03 |
lcuk | Termana, i just like doing cool stuff | 19:03 |
TSCHAKeee | which really isn't fair | 19:04 |
TSCHAKeee | but | 19:04 |
TSCHAKeee | what can I do | 19:04 |
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lcuk | seeing something cool using only 6 leds is sometimes better than seeing what a top of the range high spec big pc can do with uber graphics cards and billions of polygons | 19:04 |
lcuk | "oh look a rainbow effect underwater" | 19:05 |
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lcuk | besides Termana using those lights would be cool to "heat up " the screen | 19:06 |
lcuk | and make bubbles come out at the bottom and float up | 19:06 |
lcuk | press a key light comes on bubbles appear | 19:06 |
TSCHAKeee | i look at these ARM based computers | 19:06 |
TSCHAKeee | and realize, computers are fun again | 19:06 |
TSCHAKeee | because we have a chance to make something better | 19:07 |
TSCHAKeee | and get away from the god awful desktop paradigm | 19:07 |
lcuk | TSCHAKeee, the desktop paradigm has always been escapbable | 19:08 |
lcuk | ive been coding for years without thinking about it | 19:08 |
epictetus | i just hope Microsoft doesn't take the hint from Apple/ipad and make it so with Windows 8, you can only buy applications directly from microsoft, and microsoft takes a 30% cut off the top of the world software market | 19:08 |
TSCHAKeee | so have I, but my focus is precisely on alternate user interfaces | 19:09 |
TSCHAKeee | I've been a primary user of Squeak for over a decade | 19:09 |
TSCHAKeee | trying to get other people to use it? hah | 19:09 |
TSCHAKeee | tried..been there..done that... | 19:09 |
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GAN900 | TSCHAKeee, I love the combination of both, personally. | 19:09 |
TSCHAKeee | GAN900: my focus right now, is to try and create a user experience for an entire hous | 19:10 |
CosmoHill | hey GAN900 | 19:10 |
lcuk | GAN900, i dont think anybody wants to remove desktops - they work so damned well as is. but theres more to life | 19:10 |
TSCHAKeee | GAN900: to see if it is feasibly possible, and try to figure out what it would work like... | 19:10 |
CosmoHill | is it a good idea to learn dvorak when you have a workload/ | 19:10 |
CosmoHill | instead of just in your spare time? | 19:10 |
TSCHAKeee | CosmoHill: up to you. I can't use dvorak because I am left handed | 19:10 |
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lcuk | its never a good idea to learn dvorak | 19:10 |
* CosmoHill blinks | 19:10 | |
lcuk | TSCHAKeee, left handed variations are around | 19:10 |
TSCHAKeee | (ironically, the very thing Sholes keyboard layout was designed to do, make it slow to type, by pushing the most used keys as far apart as possible, also makes it left handed, and thus, insanely fast for me) | 19:11 |
lcuk | anything is fast given enough practice | 19:11 |
TSCHAKeee | I use a chord keyset on my main workstation | 19:12 |
lcuk | it was so the hammers o nthe typewriter didnt intefere - not for speed | 19:12 |
TSCHAKeee | i got one after I saw Doug Engelbart's demo... | 19:12 |
TSCHAKeee | and loved it ever since. | 19:12 |
TSCHAKeee | lcuk: correct. | 19:12 |
lbt | what's the meego N8x0 status? | 19:13 |
CosmoHill | I think I'll stick with qwerty atm | 19:13 |
slaine | epictetus: and what exactly do you think nokia and intel are going to do with their appup/ovi stores, give it all away for free ? | 19:13 |
TSCHAKeee | everybody wants an app store | 19:13 |
TSCHAKeee | :P :) | 19:13 |
TSCHAKeee | i'm just concerned, about 50 billion forks of meego | 19:13 |
TSCHAKeee | all slightly incompatible | 19:14 |
TSCHAKeee | because the vendors up top wanna make a quick buck | 19:14 |
TSCHAKeee | intel meego? | 19:14 |
TSCHAKeee | nokia meego? | 19:14 |
TSCHAKeee | openpeak meego? | 19:14 |
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TSCHAKeee | meego meego? | 19:14 |
TSCHAKeee | :P | 19:14 |
lbt | watch out for my blog on this later TSCHAKeee | 19:14 |
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lbt | assuming DawnFoster aggregated me :) | 19:14 |
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TSCHAKeee | as for the ovi store | 19:16 |
DawnFoster | lbt: ping me when you have your first post in that feed :) Then I'll add you to the aggregator | 19:16 |
TSCHAKeee | a bit light on the shelves, isn't it? ;) | 19:16 |
lbt | DawnFoster: ta.. :) | 19:16 |
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CosmoHill | unlike my other assignments, my programming one is all over the place :( | 19:16 |
TSCHAKeee | now if I could just systematically beat open source programmers on the head about their stupid #(@$#@($ naming of software... | 19:17 |
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TSCHAKeee | man, i am #@($(@# VIBRATING | 19:20 |
TSCHAKeee | I WANT TO SEE UX CODE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 19:20 |
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TSCHAKeee | thank you | 19:20 |
TSCHAKeee | sorry, too much coffee. | 19:20 |
lbt | TSCHAKeee: have you got that Joggler doing anything interesting yet? | 19:21 |
lcuk | why in open source are we waiting to see what other people do? | 19:21 |
lbt | lcuk: indeed | 19:21 |
* lbt just built a package against the community OBS :) | 19:22 | |
TSCHAKeee | lcuk: i've been building stuff in clutter, but I want to see some of the patterns and architecture present in the UX code | 19:22 |
lbt | clutter... nooooo | 19:22 |
VDVsx | ehhe | 19:22 |
lbt | gtk.... <sob> | 19:22 |
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TSCHAKeee | lcuk: my goal is to create a Home UX | 19:22 |
lbt | IN Qt DAMNIT | 19:22 |
lbt | I didn't ship that thing thousands of miles for you to run Gtk on it!!! | 19:23 |
lbt | get a grip man | 19:23 |
TSCHAKeee | :P | 19:23 |
TSCHAKeee | right now | 19:24 |
TSCHAKeee | i am trying to figure out | 19:24 |
TSCHAKeee | how to blur the stage | 19:24 |
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TSCHAKeee | so that EVERYTHING behind the stage appears blurred | 19:24 |
Jartza | I don't have so religious feelings towards either gtk or qt :) | 19:24 |
TSCHAKeee | (composited window) | 19:24 |
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TSCHAKeee | has anyone done this? | 19:24 |
lcuk | yeah maemo does in the gtk clutter compositor | 19:24 |
TSCHAKeee | this is critical to the UI look that I want to be able to pull off... | 19:24 |
TSCHAKeee | because Orbiter wraps other applications | 19:25 |
TSCHAKeee | like Xine | 19:25 |
TSCHAKeee | and mame | 19:25 |
TSCHAKeee | etc... | 19:25 |
* lcuk goes back to 6 little leds and simpler more effective less battery draining fun | 19:25 | |
TSCHAKeee | these are just normal X windows | 19:25 |
Jartza | I've always believed that the tool you know how to use, is the correct one for the task :) | 19:25 |
lbt | perl | 19:25 |
TSCHAKeee | and they need to be blurred etc when the orbiter UI is in front | 19:25 |
Jartza | be it either gtk or qt | 19:25 |
* lcuk believes you prototype the effect you want in a specific case then make it for a the general | 19:26 | |
Jartza | lbt: well if you only knew perl and nothing else, yes. | 19:26 |
TSCHAKeee | oh snap | 19:26 |
lcuk | TSCHAKeee, you have an n900? | 19:26 |
TSCHAKeee | hahahahahaha | 19:26 |
TSCHAKeee | lcuk: yes | 19:26 |
Jartza | I only have n800 | 19:27 |
Jartza | :) | 19:27 |
TSCHAKeee | the various source components of maemo seem to have disappeared temporarily during the shift to meego | 19:27 |
lcuk | download hyperui if you can and have a look :) its nice and fast - its a none working example but the principles look simple and logical | 19:27 |
lbt | Jartza: perl is never the correct answer; but it's usually the best answer | 19:27 |
lcuk | it reminds me a lot of liq* code :) | 19:27 |
TSCHAKeee | ok | 19:27 |
TSCHAKeee | yes, i have hyperUI | 19:27 |
lcuk | i just wish more of qt apps were oriented to be pluginable | 19:28 |
TSCHAKeee | of all the C++ toolkits | 19:28 |
TSCHAKeee | qt is the one i can stand the most | 19:28 |
TSCHAKeee | unfortunately, all of linuxmce is written in STL | 19:28 |
TSCHAKeee | *facepalm* | 19:28 |
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TSCHAKeee | *bang-skull-with-a-brick* | 19:28 |
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lcuk | no, most of minuxmce is written in autogenerator | 19:28 |
lcuk | the core app without all that cant be that big | 19:29 |
TSCHAKeee | don't make me glass you | 19:29 |
TSCHAKeee | :P | 19:29 |
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TSCHAKeee | lcuk: and yes, actually take a look at some bits of the code, for example, the main orbiter class is 12,000 lines long | 19:30 |
TSCHAKeee | media plugin's main class is similar | 19:30 |
TSCHAKeee | and i would kill them for that | 19:30 |
TSCHAKeee | if i knew where in romania to find them | 19:30 |
TSCHAKeee | :P | 19:30 |
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lcuk | slaine, i think in c no matter what language im working on - recently thats been bash,c++,python :D | 19:37 |
slaine | lcuk, thats sums me up perfectly | 19:37 |
lcuk | im really liking python tho - but i seem to be working it a bit hard | 19:38 |
slaine | I code c++ like c with classes and function overloading. Once upon a time that was perfectly acceptable. I don't think it is now. | 19:38 |
slaine | snap | 19:38 |
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slaine | I seem to want to like python more than I do though | 19:38 |
slaine | peer pressure possibly. | 19:39 |
lcuk | i dont mind it makes excellent prototyping | 19:39 |
slaine | I find I use python for certain types of scripting work that bash would be cumbersome in. | 19:39 |
lcuk | i just wis h the autocompiler from python to c++ would give usable results | 19:39 |
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slaine | I also mocked up a few apps using it to prove a point, gstreamer based IPTV app for example | 19:40 |
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CosmoHill | I know, HTML, CSS, PHP, shell (kinda), C, Java, AS3, javascript and C++ | 19:41 |
lcuk | yeah as glue its great | 19:41 |
CosmoHill | ive probably missed some | 19:41 |
lcuk | i have just been stretching out and finding its limits | 19:41 |
lcuk | made a particle system using it | 19:41 |
lcuk | beyond 30 or so it makes whole countries cry | 19:42 |
lcuk | on desktop its reasonable, but still slower than years old vb code | 19:42 |
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CosmoHill | (oh and mysql and mssql) | 19:43 |
* lbt thinks we should do more functional coding with objects | 19:43 | |
slaine | man, talking of old school | 19:43 |
slaine | Did you see the news on Voyager 2 | 19:44 |
slaine | much respect to the grey beards working on solving that one | 19:44 |
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lcuk | lbt agreed | 19:45 |
lcuk | simple logical classes with distint progression methods | 19:45 |
lcuk | distinct | 19:45 |
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TSCHAKeee | lbt: did I hear somebody say functional programming? ERLANG!!! :D | 19:56 |
lbt | nah... more... perl .... or C++ or python | 19:57 |
lbt | just not Java-like | 19:57 |
* TSCHAKeee thinks more ppl need to look at erlang | 19:57 | |
lbt | could be... but then there's an accessibility issue too | 19:58 |
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lbt | I'd like to see features from that type of language integratred into things like python/perl | 19:58 |
lbt | I am looking forward to perl6 actually | 19:58 |
lbt | the ability to : use erlang; | 19:59 |
lbt | is quite amazing | 19:59 |
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lcuk | lbt, in ##c they have a compiler bot :D | 20:01 |
lcuk | its multi language and they also use an online codepad which does similar | 20:01 |
lcuk | you just specify little code lines and it gives you the results | 20:01 |
lbt | perl6 is interesting since the use declaration defines the syntax parsing for the next code area | 20:02 |
lbt | so you can use python; and then write whitespace indent controlled code | 20:02 |
lbt | or use lisp; | 20:02 |
lbt | and use ()(())) | 20:02 |
lcuk | neat | 20:02 |
lbt | damn that imbalance is annoying | 20:02 |
lbt | ((()(())) | 20:02 |
lbt | better | 20:03 |
lbt | mutter need emacs irc mode | 20:03 |
lbt | anyhow... it's really cool stuff | 20:03 |
lcuk | still missing a ) | 20:03 |
lbt | I know... don't point it out to me | 20:04 |
lcuk | ;) | 20:04 |
lbt | just call me adrian | 20:04 |
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lbt | DawnFoster: ping... | 20:26 |
lbt | http://mer-l-in.blogspot.com/2010/05/it-was-dawn-of-3rd-age.html | 20:26 |
DawnFoster | done! | 20:28 |
DawnFoster | bonus points for using my name in the post :) | 20:28 |
DawnFoster | it will take a few minutes to populate to the planet | 20:28 |
lcuk | i like the Dawn bit lbt lol | 20:29 |
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CosmoHill | I duno about you but I can't seem to get 3D to work | 20:29 |
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TSCHAKeee | lbt: are we a babylon 5 fan? | 20:36 |
TSCHAKeee | :P :) | 20:36 |
* TSCHAKeee is | 20:36 | |
RST38h | Is lbt a royalty? | 20:36 |
RST38h | Or a chief editor? | 20:37 |
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lbt | TSCHAKeee: just had a 2 episodes-a-day marathon... | 20:58 |
TSCHAKeee | lbt: my favourite is still the end of season 4 | 20:59 |
lcuk | xanthros says you are the one. | 20:59 |
lcuk | you are the one who was, you are the one who is, you are the one who will be. | 21:00 |
TSCHAKeee | and you are the one...who gave me gas... | 21:00 |
* lcuk gets a shiver whenever he watches that scene | 21:00 | |
lbt | it's a great bit of writing... | 21:00 |
TSCHAKeee | yes | 21:00 |
TSCHAKeee | that one too | 21:00 |
TSCHAKeee | i have a friend who is a writing buff and he swears the writing is terrible | 21:00 |
TSCHAKeee | i completely disagree | 21:00 |
TSCHAKeee | it is one of the most daring experiments in television history | 21:00 |
TSCHAKeee | a full length novel spread across television | 21:01 |
lbt | and on re-watching it is quite clear that there were lots of stage actors | 21:01 |
lbt | who tend to dominate somewhat | 21:01 |
TSCHAKeee | michael o'hare | 21:01 |
TSCHAKeee | aka Michael o'hmygodthoseareTHEBIGGESTEYEBROWSI'VEEVERSEEN! | 21:01 |
lbt | meh... he was a weak link IMHO | 21:01 |
lcuk | sorry, no thats david tennant | 21:02 |
TSCHAKeee | i liked that they chose Bruce Boxleitner | 21:02 |
TSCHAKeee | who... i'm rather glad.... | 21:02 |
TSCHAKeee | will be back.... | 21:02 |
TSCHAKeee | in the new TRON. | 21:02 |
th0br0 | back. | 21:02 |
TSCHAKeee | although what the hell | 21:02 |
th0br0 | What did you watch lbt? | 21:03 |
TSCHAKeee | they completely decolourized the tron universe! | 21:03 |
lbt | Andreas Katsulas | 21:03 |
TSCHAKeee | yes, andreas | 21:03 |
lbt | Bab 5 th0br0 ... | 21:03 |
TSCHAKeee | great shakespearean actor! | 21:03 |
th0br0 | Mh, I never watched it it seems. | 21:03 |
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TSCHAKeee | and Peter Jurasik | 21:03 |
lbt | He and Peter Jurasik | 21:03 |
TSCHAKeee | yup, each | 21:03 |
TSCHAKeee | upstaging | 21:03 |
lbt | th0br0: it is good | 21:03 |
TSCHAKeee | the other | 21:03 |
TSCHAKeee | ;) | 21:03 |
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th0br0 | mh. maybe i'll get some episodes | 21:04 |
lcuk | lbt :) g'kar and londo were character matches beyond comprehension | 21:04 |
th0br0 | Although, right now I'm sorta hooked up on japanese dramas. | 21:04 |
TSCHAKeee | th0br0: you have to watch it all | 21:04 |
TSCHAKeee | you can not | 21:04 |
TSCHAKeee | watch | 21:04 |
TSCHAKeee | individual episodes | 21:04 |
th0br0 | TSCHAKeee: I was talking about the first few episodes | 21:04 |
TSCHAKeee | it will not make sense | 21:04 |
lbt | lcuk: yeah. they were | 21:04 |
th0br0 | And deciding whether to continue afterwards | 21:04 |
lbt | th0br0: there's no decision... | 21:04 |
TSCHAKeee | and the WHOLE first season | 21:04 |
TSCHAKeee | is exposition | 21:04 |
th0br0 | :P lbt | 21:05 |
TSCHAKeee | which alienated people | 21:05 |
TSCHAKeee | but those that stuck around | 21:05 |
TSCHAKeee | got a great show :) | 21:05 |
lbt | yeah, it was the connectivity across 5 years... | 21:05 |
slaine | season 1 was more like traditional shows of the time | 21:05 |
slaine | there was a story arc, but you could watch episodes individually | 21:06 |
lbt | and the "ah, that scene from 3 years ago makes sense now" | 21:06 |
slaine | awesome stuff | 21:06 |
lbt | th0br0: http://mer-l-in.blogspot.com/2010/05/it-was-dawn-of-3rd-age.html | 21:06 |
TSCHAKeee | ahhh the centauri | 21:07 |
TSCHAKeee | masters of the really bad | 21:07 |
TSCHAKeee | fake accents | 21:07 |
TSCHAKeee | ;) | 21:07 |
lbt | hair? | 21:07 |
TSCHAKeee | yes, that too | 21:07 |
TSCHAKeee | ;) | 21:07 |
slaine | except the women | 21:07 |
microlith | B5? | 21:07 |
TSCHAKeee | but you notice | 21:07 |
TSCHAKeee | EACH AND EVERY CENTAURI SPOKE A DIFFERENT ACCENT? | 21:08 |
lbt | microlith: *nod* | 21:08 |
TSCHAKeee | ;) | 21:08 |
lbt | TSCHAKeee: humanist | 21:08 |
TSCHAKeee | Lord Reefer | 21:08 |
lcuk | TSCHAKeee, no different to the world | 21:08 |
slaine | TSCHAKeee: each and everyone of us probably do too | 21:08 |
TSCHAKeee | (kidding) | 21:08 |
TSCHAKeee | but the whole third season was one big barrage of ass kicking | 21:09 |
th0br0 | sounds nice lbt... | 21:09 |
lbt | fingers crossed... | 21:10 |
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TSCHAKeee | (worth to know... Peter Jurasik was in TRON as well) | 21:10 |
lbt | really.. cool... | 21:10 |
TSCHAKeee | yup, as Chrome | 21:10 |
lbt | jedix: it's not Debian | 21:10 |
TSCHAKeee | the actuarial program that Flynn meets upon getting shoved int othe game grid. | 21:10 |
slaine | yeah, he was an accounts program | 21:10 |
lcuk | when i pass, i'd like to explore space beyond the galactic rim :) | 21:10 |
jedix | where'd that come from? | 21:10 |
TSCHAKeee | lcuk: me too... | 21:11 |
TSCHAKeee | me too... | 21:11 |
TSCHAKeee | jedix: HI! WELCOME TO #geekPopCulture! | 21:11 |
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TSCHAKeee | :D | 21:11 |
jedix | hehe | 21:11 |
th0br0 | but what is the roadmap for maemo? | 21:11 |
th0br0 | I mean, how long will maemo be still around? | 21:11 |
lbt | jedix: friday nights get get a bit less ... formal | 21:11 |
TSCHAKeee | th0br0: somewhere beyond the rim... | 21:11 |
lbt | th0br0: for ages | 21:11 |
TSCHAKeee | *ba-dum-ching* | 21:12 |
jedix | lbt: oh, it's still afternoon for me | 21:12 |
lbt | :) | 21:12 |
CosmoHill | lcuk:I started my assignment on the 11th of april according to the change lot :o | 21:12 |
th0br0 | so nokia actually plans to have maemo AND meego? | 21:12 |
TSCHAKeee | jedix: you just missed it too, we were about to discuss Wil Wheaton's importance to ST:TNG! | 21:12 |
* TSCHAKeee runs!!! | 21:12 | |
lcuk | GUARDS! | 21:13 |
th0br0 | CosmoHill: be glad that you don't have to do any gui. | 21:13 |
lcuk | send him to the brig | 21:13 |
CosmoHill | I got capped on my last assignment because I dumped the non-working GUI code :( | 21:13 |
th0br0 | I have to do a GUI for some application right now... but I DON'T WANT TO. GUI development & design is a pita. especially when you don't know the tools | 21:13 |
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th0br0 | CosmoHill: you mean the one you just completed? | 21:13 |
CosmoHill | my previous one I did in java | 21:13 |
th0br0 | ah ok. | 21:13 |
th0br0 | Besides, why does the ScriptDebugger not use any UI files :) I'd so very much like to steal their code edit widget and console widget ... | 21:14 |
CosmoHill | http://forums.kustompcs.co.uk/showthread.php?p=472048#post472048 | 21:14 |
CosmoHill | now that is a mouse mat! | 21:14 |
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th0br0 | CosmoHill: looks like cheap razr clones. | 21:15 |
CosmoHill | the big mouce mat graeme is holding up? | 21:15 |
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th0br0 | no, the lower ones. | 21:16 |
th0br0 | s/the lower ones/the mice below/ | 21:16 |
infobot | th0br0 meant: no, the mice below. | 21:16 |
th0br0 | the mice below below | 21:17 |
th0br0 | hopping on the grass the grass the grass | 21:17 |
CosmoHill | http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_3167.html | 21:18 |
* CosmoHill might get this | 21:18 | |
CosmoHill | but then again I look up shiny things I want but rarely buy :( | 21:19 |
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th0br0 | Mh, the Centauris are cool. | 22:08 |
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lcuk | th0br0, the Narn Regime would disagree | 22:11 |
th0br0 | Well, their behaviour / pronunciation is cool. | 22:11 |
th0br0 | And I'm just 5 minutes into the series | 22:11 |
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th0br0 | Skipping my task to write up some minor ide in qt. | 22:11 |
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th0br0 | So who was / is some real stage actor in there? | 22:13 |
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xxdbxx | Hola. | 23:38 |
thiago_home | hello | 23:39 |
Jartza | hmm. | 23:39 |
Jartza | there seems to be a lot of open jobs in maemo/meego/qt -development | 23:40 |
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thiago_home | where do you see that? | 23:42 |
Jartza | thiago_home: because headhunters keep calling :) | 23:43 |
thiago_home | interesting | 23:44 |
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thiago_home | that's good to know | 23:44 |
thiago_home | I haven't had a headhunter call in a while though | 23:44 |
Jartza | me neither | 23:44 |
Jartza | they started calling again around a month ago | 23:44 |
Jartza | it's been silent for few years | 23:45 |
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Jartza | although, I'm not sure how the international situation is, but at least here in Finland we seem to have quite many companies in need of maemo/meego/qt -experts | 23:48 |
thiago_home | uh... yeah | 23:49 |
thiago_home | the country where Nokia is 3% of the GDP :-) | 23:49 |
Jartza | yeah :) | 23:49 |
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CosmoHill | hey thiago_home | 23:51 |
thiago_home | hey CosmoHill | 23:51 |
CosmoHill | programming assignment is done :) | 23:51 |
CosmoHill | so I'm taking a night off | 23:51 |
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CosmoHill | thanks for you help btw :P) | 23:55 |
CosmoHill | * :) | 23:56 |
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CosmoHill | I need NTP on my server :( | 23:59 |
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