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| Vladimiroff | hello guys. is there meego working snapshot with graphical environment available, yet? | 00:01 |
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| Vladimiroff | I'm really can't wait of it, and for now, after writting some qt4 app for it, I just could image how it is going to look | 00:01 |
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| thiago_home | Vladimiroff: not yet | 00:04 |
| thiago_home | xterm is the GUI for now | 00:04 |
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| Vladimiroff | thiago_home: I see. Is there some guesses when we are be able to test the gui, or for now there is no such information provided? | 00:08 |
| thiago_home | like I said, you can test your app now | 00:10 |
| thiago_home | I think they mentioned the dates in the last TSG meeting | 00:10 |
| thiago_home | take a look at the minutes | 00:11 |
| Vladimiroff | okay | 00:12 |
| Jaffa | lbt: Cool stuff on the OBS server | 00:13 |
| lbt | :) | 00:13 |
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| * lbt still wonders what we should call MeeGo Universe.... and still likes Surrounds | 00:15 | |
| Myrtti | Da Hood | 00:15 |
| TSCHAKeee | MeegoVerse | 00:15 |
| TSCHAKeee | not to be confused with MeeGoFirst | 00:16 |
| TSCHAKeee | :P | 00:16 |
| lbt | I did a haiku... | 00:16 |
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| lbt | We can agree now | 00:17 |
| lbt | For Surrounds an eulogy | 00:17 |
| lbt | No poetry here | 00:17 |
| lbt | which kinda rules out MeeGo Verse | 00:17 |
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| lbt | although to insist on all changelogs being in haiku.... I like that idea | 00:17 |
| lbt | OK, clearly no-one is drinkin | 00:18 |
| lbt | g | 00:18 |
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| CosmoHill | I only read the last line btw | 00:22 |
| lbt | what? "g" | 00:23 |
| CosmoHill | the line before that | 00:23 |
| CosmoHill | g is just a character | 00:23 |
| th0br0 | byez | 00:24 |
| CosmoHill | bye bye | 00:24 |
| lbt | o/ | 00:24 |
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| * lbt wonders if the app-store application namespace is the same as the distro namespace | 00:25 | |
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| lbt | distro package namespace that is | 00:26 |
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| TSCHAKeee | oo i know | 00:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | lbt: call the OBS system zathras! | 00:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | :D:D:D | 00:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | zathras always building meego | 00:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | zathras try to build meego even though zathras see compile errors | 00:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | :P | 00:38 |
| lbt | rofl | 00:38 |
| * lbt goes into error code | 00:39 | |
| TSCHAKeee | maemo was the one who was | 00:39 |
| * CosmoHill reboots lbt | 00:39 | |
| TSCHAKeee | moblin is the one who is | 00:39 |
| TSCHAKeee | meego is the one who will be | 00:39 |
| lbt | swap moblin/maemo :) | 00:39 |
| TSCHAKeee | ;) | 00:40 |
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| TSCHAKeee | wow | 00:43 |
| TSCHAKeee | i had forgotten | 00:43 |
| TSCHAKeee | how bad the pilot was | 00:43 |
| lbt | heh... it had plenty of rough spots | 00:44 |
| TSCHAKeee | like loooots of aliens that didn't make it into the series | 00:44 |
| TSCHAKeee | like the planet of the apes dudes in the helmet hoodie things | 00:44 |
| lbt | and a very scary Delenn | 00:45 |
| TSCHAKeee | i keep expecting Dr. Zaeus to pop out. :P | 00:45 |
| TSCHAKeee | yes | 00:45 |
| TSCHAKeee | with that red ring :P | 00:45 |
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| thiago_home | and that the name Satai should never be spoken of | 00:49 |
| lcuk | TSCHAKeee, you just invented a whole new computer paradigm | 00:51 |
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| TSCHAKeee | lcuk: what's that? ;) | 00:52 |
| lcuk | that zathras front end - its a must have | 00:52 |
| lcuk | seriously - gcc-zathras would pwn all compilers | 00:53 |
| TSCHAKeee | yup | 00:53 |
| TSCHAKeee | gcc-draal? | 00:53 |
| TSCHAKeee | ;) | 00:53 |
| lcuk | should even work as clustered - cos all zathras can help | 00:53 |
| TSCHAKeee | great machine on epsilon 3 | 00:53 |
| TSCHAKeee | the draal-zathras distributed model of universe compiling | 00:55 |
| lcuk | nahhh theres already one of those, but its the dialect of the messages thats wrong. bifh is so terse and unhuman | 00:55 |
| lcuk | ditto obs/autobuilder | 00:55 |
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| TSCHAKeee | it does feel like there is a Grey Council of sorts... | 00:58 |
| TSCHAKeee | :P | 00:58 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 01:27 |
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| Mibbo | Hi | 03:15 |
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| Mibbo | Is it anybuddy here who can help me? How to install the MeeGo .usbimg ? | 03:17 |
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| Alastair1 | hello :) | 06:23 |
| Alastair1 | what sort fo support will meego have for linux programmes? | 06:23 |
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| nifeng | whos | 07:51 |
| nifeng | who | 07:51 |
| nifeng | ==help | 07:52 |
| nifeng | how to use the irc? please help! | 07:52 |
| bfree | what do you mean how to use it ... you are using it already! | 07:53 |
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| nifeng | Are there some useful command? | 07:53 |
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| nifeng | Hello everybody! | 07:55 |
| bfree | http://www.ircbeginner.com/ircinfo/ircc-commands.html (first random hit on a search but it's good enough to get you going) | 07:55 |
| nifeng | bfree, thank you very much! | 07:56 |
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| * nifeng hello! | 07:57 | |
| * nifeng :-) | 07:57 | |
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| sidh | hi all | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | lo sidh | 10:48 |
| sidh | can i compile meego for arm | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | yes, it is already compiled for it :) | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | >= armv5 | 10:49 |
| sidh | ok... from where i can downloD | 10:49 |
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| sidh | where can i get source of that | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | repo.meego.com :) | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | what kind of device do you want to port it to? | 10:50 |
| sidh | i want to port it on BeagleBoard | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | ok, there's already some guys organising to do this | 10:51 |
| sidh | but i dont know the exact method | 10:51 |
| sidh | where i can get help for that | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | you can try to poke WAHa_06x36 and see http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=117 | 10:52 |
| sidh | ok | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | and organise yourselves :) | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | it should be rather simple | 10:53 |
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| sidh | thanks Stskeeps | 10:55 |
| sidh | bye | 10:55 |
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| lbt | QA process as per maemo: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_dY7nnDH4cew/S-UgctHxP8I/AAAAAAAAABY/_aOPeFkMxdg/s400/obs-qa.png | 11:32 |
| lbt | any thoughts? | 11:32 |
| lbt | modified slightly for OBS application | 11:32 |
| leinir | a thought: not marketing ready? ;) | 11:36 |
| lbt | whaaat! | 11:37 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:37 |
| lbt | Jaffa: :) | 11:37 |
| lbt | think of the devil... | 11:38 |
| Jaffa | lbt: what's the "Home" blob? | 11:38 |
| lbt | raw text ....http://pastie.org/951214 | 11:38 |
| Jaffa | And the difference between Extras:Testing and Extras:Testing_repo? I'd've thought auto-builder vs. repo itself, but we shouldn't be rebuilding at Extras:Stable stage, so I'm now confused :) | 11:38 |
| lbt | crappy pastie... hold on | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | Extras:Testing would be a obs project and _repo is the resulting repos i guess | 11:39 |
| lbt | http://mer-l-in.blogspot.com/2010/05/community-building-against-meego-and.html | 11:40 |
| lbt | yes.. Stskeeps | 11:40 |
| * Jaffa reads | 11:40 | |
| Jaffa | lbt: First clarification - 'home:repo' is shared, like Extras-devel, but may also be used like PPAs? | 11:41 |
| Jaffa | Ah, no. | 11:41 |
| Jaffa | One home:repo per projecty-thing. So more like PPAs. | 11:42 |
| lbt | each project (directory if you like) results in a repo | 11:42 |
| lbt | there can be multiple packages in a project | 11:42 |
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| Jaffa | lbt: indeed; i.e. dependent libraries, data packages etc. | 11:43 |
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| lbt | well, a package is a tarball | 11:44 |
| Jaffa | lbt: have firewall-like "QA" lines before Extras:Testing and Extras:Testing_repo | 11:44 |
| lbt | OK | 11:44 |
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| Jaffa | lbt: That matches your text, AFAICT | 11:44 |
| lbt | Jaffa: that's the plan | 11:44 |
| lbt | back in a minute Jaffa... | 11:45 |
| Jaffa | lbt: If your home:repo (should be called home_repo?) has multiple packages so that it's a workable, self-consistent set of packages, 1) you have to register all the packages' you're going to promote names; 2) what happens if libfoo is in my home:repo and already in Extras:Testing_repo? | 11:46 |
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| Termana | hey hey | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | lo Termana | 11:48 |
| Termana | Stskeeps, raster was right, Nexus One GLES libs definitely don't support X11. I emailed Brian Swetland (a kernel developers on the Google Android team), he said that they don't :P | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | damnit :P | 11:50 |
| thiago_home | why should they? | 11:50 |
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| Termana | thiago_home, well, no one said that Google should of made sure they do, since Google isn't focusing on that. But we were just hoping, so that the MeeGo Handset UX could be used (assuming it NEEDS Open GL ES) | 11:51 |
| Jaffa | thiago_home: No reason; but I imagine it'd've made a MeeGo port a lot easier if they did :-) | 11:51 |
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| thiago_home | Termana: it might, by using the Lighthouse port of Qt | 11:51 |
| thiago_home | which runs on Android | 11:52 |
| Jaffa | Termana: Assuming the Handset UX is entirely Qt based; couldn't an FB-targetting rather than X11-targetting version of Qt be used? | 11:52 |
| Jaffa | Kinda like what thiago_home just said :-) | 11:52 |
| thiago_home | and Lighthouse supports OpenGL for a full week now | 11:52 |
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| Jaffa | thiago_home: Positively ancient ;-) | 11:52 |
| thiago_home | of course, that requires the application code not to use any non-cross-platform API (any X calls) | 11:52 |
| Jaffa | Indeed. | 11:53 |
| thiago_home | and I'm pretty sure the MeeGoTouch libraries do (shared pixmaps) | 11:53 |
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| Termana | It was the hope that no recompiling would be needed too much, just straight up trying to use the n900 rootfs. If the Open GL ES libraries supported X, this would of been easily possible (at least in theory) | 11:53 |
| lbt | Jaffa: the home area is essentially unmananged | 11:53 |
| lbt | you can create a 'bash' package in there | 11:54 |
| lbt | but it's clear I need some 'how OBS works' too | 11:54 |
| lbt | that gives people 'freedom' without any irritating processes | 11:55 |
| Jaffa | lbt: So devs would have to sort conflicts when they try to transition to Extras:Testing (just like when they try to go to extras-devel now) | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | and PPA's by default | 11:55 |
| lbt | yes | 11:55 |
| lbt | we lose Extras-devel | 11:55 |
| lbt | which is a bit of a mess IMHO | 11:55 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: yes | 11:56 |
| Jaffa | lbt: Is Extras:Testing going to have the same package list across all platforms? (THinking about dev who wants to write cross-platform s/w and the libraries he's packaged and called different things on different archs for no good reason) | 11:56 |
| lbt | No | 11:56 |
| lbt | This is 'application store' territory | 11:56 |
| lbt | at the bottom | 11:56 |
| lbt | I have..... | 11:57 |
| * lbt glances around to make sure qgil isn't here | 11:57 | |
| lbt | Surrounds | 11:57 |
| Termana | :P | 11:57 |
| Jaffa | :) | 11:57 |
| lbt | Jaffa: hmm ... "Is Extras:Testing going to have the same package list across all platforms?" | 11:58 |
| lbt | what's a platform | 11:58 |
| Jaffa | lbt: sorry, you called them distros: MeeGo:name-number, Maemo:Fremantle (typo, btw with Freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeemantle) and Maemo:Harmattan | 11:59 |
| Jaffa | i.e. if Extras:Testing is the first step on the road to <sub>Surrounds</sub>, that should be where things start getting consistent. | 11:59 |
| lbt | I think we have 2 areas here | 11:59 |
| lbt | Surrounds and Extras | 11:59 |
| lbt | fairly independent | 12:00 |
| Jaffa | But, as an author, I don't want to have to change my dependencies to libfoo for Maemo:Fremantle; foo for MeeGo:name-number and then submit my own package for Maemo:Harmattan. | 12:00 |
| lbt | Extras is an app store ... as per maemo | 12:00 |
| Jaffa | Ah, OK. | 12:00 |
| lbt | Jaffa: tough | 12:00 |
| Jaffa | s/Surrounds/Extras/ in my previous comment | 12:00 |
| lbt | if you depend on a pkg which is named differently in different distros... then you have to | 12:01 |
| Jaffa | lbt: Obviously for the "core" packages, that may be necessary; but for the community stuff which is in Extras | 12:01 |
| lbt | ah... now that's where Surrounds does come in | 12:01 |
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| lbt | there is a notional promotion from Extras to Surrounds | 12:01 |
| lbt | when multiple apps depend on something | 12:01 |
| lbt | eg libliqbase? | 12:02 |
| * thiago_home read "national promotion" | 12:02 | |
| Jaffa | i.e. gcobb packages gpe in home and that includes libfoobar. It goes into Extras:Testing. I then package myapp and package libfoobar myself as 'foobar'. When I go to Extras:Testing I should(?) have to change to using libfoobar | 12:02 |
| Jaffa | lbt: Understood of big, important, useful things getting promoted from Extras to Surrounds; but what about conflicts for some tiny little library at the other end of the process? | 12:03 |
| lbt | no... we should promote libfoobar to surrounds ASAP | 12:03 |
| lbt | Surrounds is there to serve developers in sharing libraries | 12:03 |
| Jaffa | lbt: what if Graham doesn't want to maintain libfoobar for everyone? | 12:03 |
| Jaffa | lbt: OK, cool. | 12:03 |
| lbt | well, one aspect of Surrounds is that we should ideally have a meego-surrounds team | 12:04 |
| * Jaffa 's finsihed the rest of your text. All largely excellent which is why I'm trying to understand the detail & edge-cases :) | 12:04 | |
| lbt | thanks... me too ... it's still a draft | 12:04 |
| Jaffa | BTW, I strongly think that moving from Extras:Testing to Extras:Stable should _not_ involve a rebuild. | 12:04 |
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| Jaffa | Something I've been less passionate about at work in the past; but given the problems I've been having recently, I'm now very much in favour of same binary in different environments :) | 12:05 |
| lbt | mmm | 12:06 |
| lbt | I'm on the fence over that one | 12:06 |
| Jaffa | Is there a need (technical or infrastructural) for a rebuild? Is there a use-case? | 12:07 |
| lbt | the situation here is not the same as the one being run for the entire distro internally | 12:07 |
| lbt | which does work using rebuilds... | 12:07 |
| lbt | I wonder if Extras should not be allowed to build against other things in Extras | 12:09 |
| * lbt goes to edit a bit | 12:10 | |
| Jaffa | lbt: Only things in Surrounds? | 12:11 |
| lbt | yes | 12:11 |
| Jaffa | Wouldn't the initial bootstrap of Surrounds with useful libraries used by useful apps be slowed down? Encouraging bundling libs with other packages or even static linking? | 12:11 |
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| Jaffa | i.e. in the example earlier, gcobb can't submit gpe to Extras until libfoobar's made its way into Surrounds. | 12:12 |
| lbt | correct | 12:12 |
| Jaffa | That might not be a bad thing overall, but could be frustrating for hobbyist devs | 12:12 |
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| lbt | how would you expect that to work in Ubuntu ? | 12:12 |
| Jaffa | I dunno. Do they have a PPA->(uni|multi)verse process? | 12:13 |
| lbt | ? | 12:13 |
| lbt | dunno | 12:13 |
| lbt | well, yes, they must | 12:14 |
| lbt | but it may or may not be different for PPA initiated | 12:14 |
| Jaffa | Indeed. | 12:15 |
| Jaffa | Wonder whether they treat PPA-based packages differently for inclusion (or whether everything goes via PPA in some form) | 12:16 |
| lbt | if we allow home: to be PPA (which it is!) then that's what you make do with until you're in Surrounds/Extras | 12:16 |
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| * lbt is wondering whether my accountant will ask why cookery books are a valid business expense.......... Python Cookbook :) | 14:43 | |
| thiago_home | heh | 14:43 |
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| lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenSuse_Build_Service | 14:56 |
| lbt | OK I've rewritten much of that post into the wiki, restructured the OBS area a lot and put some draft process thoughts up there | 14:57 |
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| GAN900 | Wee, lots of names I've never seen before and have little to no public presence in the CWG page. . . . | 15:33 |
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| Termana | GAN900, shouldn't that be a good thing? | 15:39 |
| Termana | ish | 15:39 |
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| Stskeeps | GAN900: i actually recognise a fair bit of people | 15:57 |
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| CosmoHill | http://black-flag.co.uk/files/inocent-weasel.jpg :) | 16:48 |
| th0br0 | heya | 16:48 |
| CosmoHill | hi | 16:49 |
| th0br0 | haha, that's cool. | 16:49 |
| CosmoHill | I can't even remember why I opened the fridge now | 16:49 |
| th0br0 | ^^ | 16:52 |
| * CosmoHill makes some tea and then will try to start his woerk | 16:55 | |
| CosmoHill | work* | 16:55 |
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| slaine | howdy | 16:57 |
| th0br0 | what work is it today, CosmoHill? | 16:58 |
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| CosmoHill | hey slaine | 16:58 |
| CosmoHill | I have to do a 1000 ~ 1200 word reflective essay about working in a group | 16:58 |
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| CosmoHill | you know everyone is going HD crazy | 17:00 |
| CosmoHill | there are between 3 and 43 HD channels depending on how you get them | 17:00 |
| CosmoHill | and I bet most of them are movies | 17:00 |
| thiago_home | could be worse | 17:05 |
| thiago_home | could be like here: there are less than 10 and all of them are useless | 17:05 |
| thiago_home | nothing interesting | 17:05 |
| th0br0 | I don't even get HD here. | 17:05 |
| th0br0 | :) | 17:05 |
| CosmoHill | We got HD for xmas | 17:05 |
| CosmoHill | 37" Sony HDTV and Sky+HD | 17:06 |
| CosmoHill | most of the time it's just upscaled TV | 17:06 |
| th0br0 | well, we do have 2 hd tvs but unfortunately the dvb-c we've got isn't working properly. | 17:07 |
| CosmoHill | in my bedroom I have a 20" Dell monitor with s-video and composite | 17:08 |
| CosmoHill | so digital TV looks good :) | 17:09 |
| CosmoHill | it's SD but so much better than analgoue | 17:09 |
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| CosmoHill | I think the next thing I'd do in my bedroom is get a new monitor / TV | 17:11 |
| CosmoHill | hmmmm | 17:12 |
| CosmoHill | brand new, my hifi is worth more than my car :/ | 17:12 |
| slaine | CosmoHill: Looking at getting same TV | 17:12 |
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| CosmoHill | I think the model we have is £300 cheaper now | 17:13 |
| slaine | they drop every 6 months or so, especially as the introduce new models in late autumn | 17:13 |
| CosmoHill | i swear our's dropped £200 after xmas :( | 17:14 |
| Nadley | hi everybody | 17:14 |
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| Nadley | I'm new with meego, and I would like to know the status of the dev actually | 17:17 |
| CosmoHill | i think meego 1.0 should be out this month | 17:18 |
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| Nadley | oh cool. And it will be fully working for test ? | 17:18 |
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| CosmoHill | I believe so | 17:18 |
| CosmoHill | the main focus of 1.0 is the core / backend | 17:19 |
| Nadley | ok | 17:19 |
| CosmoHill | i think it will use the moblin gui | 17:19 |
| slaine | and netbook | 17:19 |
| Nadley | and it will work on ARM and x86 ? | 17:19 |
| slaine | core will | 17:19 |
| slaine | it's working now, but the handheld ux is a little behind | 17:19 |
| slaine | that'll be out post 1.0 but pre 1.1 | 17:20 |
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| Nadley | sorry but I'm a little bit new with all this stuff. The core is the system without the UI ? | 17:21 |
| slaine | yeah, Base OS, graphics libraries etc. | 17:21 |
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| CosmoHill | the core is the things that run in the background / the background | 17:21 |
| CosmoHill | like the kernel and other software packages | 17:21 |
| Nadley | ok. So the 1.0 version will have juste de core ? | 17:22 |
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| slaine | in short, there's nothing useful to see yet, there's going to be a release at the end of may, targeted at x86 netbooks I reckon with an ARM handheld ux release hopefully not long after | 17:22 |
| Nadley | ok | 17:23 |
| Nadley | and can we get involved in this project | 17:24 |
| slaine | you can get involved now if you're into the base os | 17:24 |
| slaine | download the images, tools, make an image, test it out, submit bugs, patches etc. | 17:25 |
| Nadley | ok but what I need to test ? | 17:25 |
| slaine | that depends on your capabilities | 17:25 |
| slaine | what can you do ? | 17:25 |
| Nadley | that's a good question :D. I would like to test an image and to report bug but do I need a specific hardware ? | 17:27 |
| CosmoHill | erm | 17:27 |
| slaine | there's x86 and arm builds, check out meego.com/downloads | 17:27 |
| CosmoHill | have they dropped the SSSE3 requirment? | 17:27 |
| slaine | No | 17:27 |
| CosmoHill | :( | 17:27 |
| slaine | and they won't | 17:28 |
| slaine | we'll have to make our own generic x86 build with obs | 17:28 |
| CosmoHill | obs? | 17:28 |
| GAN900 | CosmoHill, what rock and where? | 17:28 |
| slaine | http://build.meego.com/ | 17:28 |
| CosmoHill | GAN900: the third rock from the sun | 17:29 |
| slaine | God I hated that show | 17:29 |
| GAN900 | So 90s | 17:29 |
| Nadley | is it possible to try in a virtual system ? | 17:30 |
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| CosmoHill | OpenSuse Build System? | 17:30 |
| CosmoHill | *service | 17:30 |
| slaine | Nadley: no | 17:31 |
| Nadley | slaine: so I need physical hardware :s | 17:32 |
| slaine | Nadley: best advice right now if you're serious is to hang out here as often as possible and get to know what's going on and who's who | 17:32 |
| slaine | There's no release that's usable to general public. There's base os stuff that's useful for some developers | 17:32 |
| Nadley | ok | 17:33 |
| slaine | once 1.0 is done and they've had their initial release, then we'll be in a better position to contribute | 17:33 |
| CosmoHill | slaine: is it just the kernel that wants SSSE3 or a lot more packages? | 17:34 |
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| slaine | CosmoHill: anything that does any kind of FP work | 17:34 |
| CosmoHill | hmm | 17:34 |
| slaine | it's gcc compiler option for everything | 17:34 |
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| Stskeeps | then again atom does make sense considering the low power devices they're targetting | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | and that there's no real competition on that side amd-wise i guess | 17:37 |
| dl9pf | is there a u-boot rpm in meego already ? | 17:38 |
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| Stskeeps | not yet, also, u-boot needs various configurations? | 17:42 |
| dl9pf | true - atm its more "u-boot mkimage" ;) | 17:43 |
| dl9pf | creating a mkimage package ... | 17:44 |
| pupnik | isnt there a u-boot successor? | 17:48 |
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| dl9pf | there're boards using it, so anyway | 17:51 |
| dl9pf | there's no kernel-devel (kernel source) package in the spec for n900 flavour - or am i wrong ? | 17:53 |
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| CosmoHill | "Apple PowerBook G4 non-intel version" | 17:56 |
| CosmoHill | stupid topic | 17:56 |
| CosmoHill | it can't be G# and intel | 17:57 |
| leinir | Hey, that topic was set by the department of redundancy department, who set the topic! | 17:58 |
| CosmoHill | http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/Apple-PowerBook-G4-non-intel-version | 17:58 |
| CosmoHill | i found it here | 17:58 |
| leinir | *giggles* :) | 17:58 |
| leinir | well, it has the word "audiophile" in the address, that instantly makes it useless ;) | 17:59 |
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| * CosmoHill is doing anything but his work | 18:36 | |
| RST38h | isn't it Saturday? | 18:36 |
| th0br0 | He's a student. | 18:36 |
| th0br0 | Weekends don't apply to him ;) | 18:36 |
| lcuk2 | working for a student implies sitting in pub | 18:36 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: if you're working for a student you're life hasn't gone to plan | 18:37 |
| CosmoHill | you should have students working for you :) | 18:37 |
| CosmoHill | also if you use 28 hour days it's currently friday | 18:38 |
| lcuk | well they can carry my beer over from the bar :p | 18:38 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, if ive got a small project in python that i know would run 10x better using native c++ and qt would you be able convert it | 18:40 |
| CosmoHill | i have no idea | 18:40 |
| CosmoHill | but that wouldn't stop me trying | 18:40 |
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| CosmoHill | worse case, the program wouldn't work but I'd of learn Qt and Python | 18:40 |
| lcuk | hah | 18:41 |
| lcuk | i heard about a python to c++ parser which i ran over my code - it brought the algorithm and classes out but it was very messy | 18:42 |
| CosmoHill | i have one assignment due in mondayt | 18:42 |
| CosmoHill | one, possibly two, on friday | 18:42 |
| * slaine is working :( | 18:42 | |
| CosmoHill | slaine: you get paid for it | 18:42 |
| lcuk | wow CosmoHill i thought you had a rest after your monster one | 18:42 |
| slaine | yes, true | 18:42 |
| CosmoHill | I'm probably making it sound bigger than it was | 18:42 |
| CosmoHill | i have todo a 1200 essay for monday and tweat a website | 18:43 |
| slaine | still, I work all week, would rather spend time with my family out in the sun | 18:43 |
| CosmoHill | and maybe add comment functionaility to it | 18:43 |
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| CosmoHill | hmm | 18:44 |
| CosmoHill | what music to put on | 18:44 |
| lcuk | wow @ frals and fmms, 200k downloads of community MMS app to date and thats only during testing | 18:45 |
| CosmoHill | and lets pick a target | 18:45 |
| CosmoHill | say, at least 400 words by the end of the CD | 18:45 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: 200 kilobits? that's not much | 18:45 |
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| CosmoHill | :p | 18:45 |
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| * lcuk adds another assignment | 18:45 | |
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| CosmoHill | :( | 18:45 |
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| CosmoHill | hmm | 18:47 |
| CosmoHill | my lecturer is available 1pm to 3pm on friday | 18:47 |
| CosmoHill | if I need to see him then I'm doomed cos the deadline is 5pm | 18:47 |
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| CosmoHill | if you want my attention set off my highlight so you pop up in the corner | 18:51 |
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| CosmoHill | I hate being given a title and a word limit | 18:59 |
| CosmoHill | and nothing else | 18:59 |
| CosmoHill | a/and/but | 18:59 |
| CosmoHill | s/and/but | 19:00 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, thats the easy part, start by outlining the report you want to write then begin filling in the pieces | 19:08 |
| CosmoHill | I talked to my lecture and got some bullet points off of him | 19:08 |
| * lbt wants karma for meego | 19:11 | |
| th0br0 | no~~~ | 19:12 |
| th0br0 | and heya lbt | 19:12 |
| lbt | o/ | 19:12 |
| CosmoHill | th0br0: how are your studies? | 19:12 |
| lbt | my WIP ...http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenSuse_Build_Service/Fremantle_Setup | 19:12 |
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| th0br0 | could be better. but that's always the case, isn't it? | 19:12 |
| CosmoHill | oh very much so | 19:12 |
| lbt | there's more than 9 people in here.... who hasn't given me a thumbsup on http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ | 19:13 |
| * lcuk checks if he did | 19:14 | |
| lcuk | yup my thumb is orange | 19:14 |
| * lbt ignores http://meego.com/aggregator 'cost there are no cute +/i buttons | 19:14 | |
| * lcuk wonders where hes been sticking it :S | 19:14 | |
| lbt | :( | 19:14 |
| lbt | lcuk: +1 | 19:14 |
| * lcuk thumbs up anything productive | 19:15 | |
| lcuk | and especially random quotes from b5 | 19:15 |
| lbt | moblin... maemo.... meego .... 3rd age :) | 19:15 |
| lbt | technically the shadow war wasn't over until the dawn of the 4th age... | 19:15 |
| leinir | Well... won't be ;) | 19:16 |
| lbt | or was that the 4th season :) | 19:16 |
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| leinir | Get your tenses right ;) | 19:16 |
| leinir | (damnit, now i have to listen to HHGttG ;) ) | 19:16 |
| lbt | zathras confused me | 19:16 |
| lcuk | leinir, for time travelers tense was curious | 19:16 |
| CosmoHill | I only have a control key on my left side | 19:17 |
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| * lbt is about to make scratchbox-fake | 19:17 | |
| th0br0 | :P | 19:17 |
| CosmoHill | so when using the mouse left handed my right hand has to reach over the keyboard to the left side to right click | 19:17 |
| th0br0 | HHGttG, leinir? | 19:17 |
| th0br0 | lbt: B5 really rocks. I'm starting with the 4th episode in a bit | 19:17 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, in arcades as a little duckling i used to switch arms over and use them crossed because im a left hander and the buttons and joystick were on the wrong side | 19:18 |
| lbt | th0br0: you did start on series 1? | 19:18 |
| leinir | lbt: Aww, but Zathras wasbe such a nice guy! :D | 19:18 |
| th0br0 | yes lbt | 19:18 |
| leinir | th0br0: 'tis really brilliant yeah :) | 19:18 |
| * leinir has the complete collection :) | 19:18 | |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: did you see the mouse I posted in here yesterday? | 19:18 |
| lbt | leinir: when did you start the re-watch? | 19:18 |
| TSCHAKeee | no worry, because zathras is beast of burden | 19:18 |
| CosmoHill | it's meant to be designed for left and right handed use | 19:18 |
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| leinir | lbt: hmm... second or third time? ;) | 19:19 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, it may be a surprise to some here, but i dont see eveyrthing :p no i didnt | 19:19 |
| * TSCHAKeee has watched the whole series several times through | 19:19 | |
| lbt | just asking because we're on th season dvd 1 too ... | 19:19 |
| lcuk | one of my school chums used to hold mouse upside down | 19:19 |
| lbt | 4th | 19:19 |
| lcuk | with the wire towards him | 19:19 |
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| lcuk | freaked the hell out of everyone | 19:19 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_3167.html | 19:19 |
| * TSCHAKeee has gotten to the point where he starts thinking, "and Mollari walks through the door....now..." :P | 19:19 | |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: O.o | 19:20 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: I bet he loves wireless mice | 19:20 |
| leinir | lbt: Aah right :) Well, i'm on... hmm... episode 13, season 2 i think it is... re-watching it with a friend :) | 19:20 |
| lcuk | i dunno they didnt exist when i was at school | 19:20 |
| lcuk | /college | 19:20 |
| RST38h | http://hackedgadgets.com/wp-content/computer_mouse_using_a_real_dead_mouse_4.jpg | 19:21 |
| CosmoHill | I have a logictek MX700, the thing murders batteries | 19:21 |
| lcuk | i still have a wired ball mouse here | 19:21 |
| * lcuk wiggles it | 19:21 | |
| * CosmoHill looks at the might mouse | 19:21 | |
| leinir | (also, just for the record: my name is not a misspelling of lennier, and due to the rather different spelling also not pronounced the same way ;) ) | 19:21 |
| CosmoHill | you could say the same about my mouse | 19:21 |
| CosmoHill | it's like an up-side-down ball mouse, but you can;t take the ball out to clean it | 19:22 |
| CosmoHill | I can scroll up and left, but not down or right | 19:22 |
| lcuk | ewww keep your dirty ball to yourself | 19:22 |
| lbt | leinir: it is when I say it :) | 19:22 |
| leinir | lbt: ...my understanding is not required, only my cooperation? ;) | 19:23 |
| leinir | sorry, obedience ;) | 19:23 |
| TSCHAKeee | HARD DISK ON BUILDER DAMAGED! TIME DESTABILIZED! ZATHRAS FIX! | 19:23 |
| TSCHAKeee | :P | 19:23 |
| lbt | heh | 19:23 |
| slaine | th0br0: hhgttg == Hitch Hickers Guide To The Galaxy, a master piece | 19:23 |
| lcuk | i swear theres gonna be a perl script to make that happen | 19:23 |
| th0br0 | true slaine. i only read the first book unfortunately. | 19:23 |
| CosmoHill | slaine: the orginal or the new movie? | 19:24 |
| slaine | the books, only heard the radio shows while drunk, loved the tv shows, the movie had it's moments | 19:24 |
| CosmoHill | read? | 19:24 |
| CosmoHill | what is the "read" that you speak of? | 19:24 |
| CosmoHill | :p | 19:24 |
| TSCHAKeee | would you like me to stand over in the corner and rot, or just fall apart right here where I'm standing? | 19:25 |
| * CosmoHill duct tapes TSCHAKeee to the wall | 19:25 | |
| TSCHAKeee | :PO | 19:25 |
| slaine | there he his, brain the size of a planet and he has use irc | 19:25 |
| TSCHAKeee | as for the movie... do you think they called ANYONE ELSE for the robot? | 19:25 |
| TSCHAKeee | I don't think so | 19:26 |
| TSCHAKeee | :P | 19:26 |
| slaine | Nor the narration, Steve Fry was just perfect for it | 19:26 |
| TSCHAKeee | :) | 19:26 |
| slaine | in fact, I'm pretty sure I heard steven fry's voice in my head when reading it years ago | 19:27 |
| TSCHAKeee | i did too | 19:27 |
| slaine | so when I saw the movie, it was like, OMG, that's so right | 19:27 |
| TSCHAKeee | speaking of steven fry.. i thought it was pretty cool that he recorded a little spot for gnu.org | 19:27 |
| TSCHAKeee | that made me smile | 19:28 |
| * slaine puts on the hhgttg movie soundtrack to list to his narration again | 19:28 | |
| lcuk | full quote version :D | 19:29 |
| lcuk | Zathras: All Minbari belief is around three. Three castes–Worker, Warrior, Religious. Three languages–Light, Dark and Grey. The nine of the Grey Council, three times three. All is three. As you are three. As you are one. As you are the One. You [points to Sinclair] are the One who was. You [points at Delenn] are the One who is. And you–[points at Sheridan]–you are the One who will be. You are the beginning [Sinclair] of the s | 19:29 |
| lcuk | tory, and the middle [Delenn] of the story, and the end [Sheridan] of the story…that creates the next great story. | 19:29 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: I'm not a lefty but I use computer mice left handed a lot | 19:32 |
| lcuk | i do too | 19:33 |
| CosmoHill | I think it's something todo with my desk layout | 19:33 |
| lcuk | often i cannot click left and right mouse buttons at once | 19:33 |
| CosmoHill | I have two monitors and keyboards on my desk | 19:33 |
| CosmoHill | so the keyboards are in the middle and the mice are to the left and right of them | 19:33 |
| lcuk | do you type assignments on both keyboards? | 19:34 |
| CosmoHill | no | 19:34 |
| lcuk | i have 2 computers and 2 monitors but only use 1 keyboard for both | 19:34 |
| CosmoHill | different computers | 19:34 |
| CosmoHill | one is my windows desktop and the other it often my laptop | 19:34 |
| lcuk | the windows pc pops up as a vnc window on the top monitor | 19:34 |
| lcuk | (which is where all my irc stuff is) | 19:34 |
| lcuk | i code and make notes on the bottom one | 19:34 |
| CosmoHill | the bottom one being linux? | 19:36 |
| lcuk | yeah | 19:37 |
| lcuk | well the top one too | 19:37 |
| CosmoHill | atm there is space to my left so that is where the mouse is | 19:37 |
| lcuk | but the vnc window is to windows | 19:37 |
| CosmoHill | my desktop isn't used to much anymore | 19:38 |
| CosmoHill | now it's mostly for university work and old computer games | 19:38 |
| lbt | lcuk have you seen x2vnc ? | 19:38 |
| lcuk | yeah but this mechanism suits | 19:39 |
| lcuk | its windows screen so isnt x | 19:39 |
| lbt | OK... just in case | 19:39 |
| lbt | mmm | 19:39 |
| lcuk | windows machine is what gets sent over the network | 19:39 |
| lcuk | displayed within linux | 19:39 |
| lbt | ah, no | 19:39 |
| lbt | so you sit your laptop to the right of your linux screen | 19:39 |
| lcuk | i sit on linux laptop | 19:39 |
| lcuk | with monitor plugged in | 19:40 |
| lcuk | its dual screen ubuntu | 19:40 |
| lbt | and when you move your mouse to the right edge of the linux screen | 19:40 |
| lbt | it jumps to the windows one | 19:40 |
| lcuk | but on the top screen i have a window showing windows | 19:40 |
| lbt | the benefit is no graphics over the nW | 19:40 |
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| lcuk | nah its just a window it works | 19:40 |
| lbt | try it | 19:40 |
| lcuk | its not an entire screen | 19:41 |
| lcuk | i still have linux stuff surrounding | 19:41 |
| lbt | you get triple screeen for free... and it's faster | 19:41 |
| lcuk | no need for faster - glance up i see whats happening | 19:41 |
| lcuk | it rarely gets covered | 19:41 |
| lbt | fine | 19:41 |
| lcuk | windows resolution is also set to the same size as the laptop screen | 19:42 |
| CosmoHill | sometimes I'd like to use triple monitor but you can't get USB to DVI for my powerbook :( | 19:42 |
| lcuk | so when im unplugged i can still have win in a window without scrollbars | 19:42 |
| CosmoHill | I have, a mac laptop, windows laptop, windows desktop and a linux server | 19:43 |
| CosmoHill | these are my main computers | 19:43 |
| lcuk | we need battlestation photos to explain | 19:43 |
| lbt | yeah, I got a spare couple of monitors and I have onboard gpu as well as my main GPU | 19:43 |
| lbt | so I wanted to go 3-monitor | 19:44 |
| slaine | hmmm, that hhgttg theme always gives me goosepimples, the way it builds up | 19:44 |
| lbt | but the kernel can't cope with 2 3D GPUs yet | 19:44 |
| CosmoHill | I've seen someone run 7 or 9 monitors off a mac mini | 19:44 |
| RST38h | and what did they have there? iTunes? =) | 19:45 |
| CosmoHill | linux :) | 19:45 |
| GAN900 | Slow | 19:45 |
| GAN900 | Slow is what they had | 19:45 |
| CosmoHill | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzkyOQ | 19:46 |
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| RST38h | Hmm...Obama on tv | 19:48 |
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| CosmoHill | I need to install cron or something | 19:52 |
| CosmoHill | I also need to update clamav | 19:53 |
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| lcuk | lbt, CosmoHill http://liqbase.net/liq.battlestation.20100508_002.jpg | 19:54 |
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| slaine | coffee update time | 19:54 |
| slaine | fecking wifi | 19:54 |
| CosmoHill | that's a big monitor | 19:54 |
| slaine | Think I'll try Tomato or dd-wrt, I'm getting sick of this | 19:54 |
| * CosmoHill makes a note that "feck" is a minor swear word | 19:55 | |
| lbt | lcuk: yes, that's what I thought | 19:57 |
| CosmoHill | slaine: I have dd-wrt on mum's router | 19:57 |
| CosmoHill | we use it as a wifi bridge since netgear sucks | 19:58 |
| lbt | the top monitor has a vnc display of your laptop | 19:58 |
| lbt | your other laptop | 19:58 |
| lcuk | lbt no thats a view of my windows desktop machine | 19:58 |
| lbt | at work? | 19:58 |
| lbt | or to your left? | 19:58 |
| lcuk | thats just infront of me | 19:58 |
| lcuk | ive got another screen at the side for the multitouch monitor | 19:59 |
| lbt | yes, so you can see that window and your desktop at the same time | 19:59 |
| lcuk | the vnc is the desktop one | 19:59 |
| lbt | but use one mouse to work on both? | 19:59 |
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| lcuk | yes mouse is plugged into laptop | 19:59 |
| lcuk | and when its over the vnc bit it wiggles window | 20:00 |
| lcuk | s | 20:00 |
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| lbt | correct | 20:00 |
| lcuk | i know this :po | 20:00 |
| lbt | and when you turn your head, the mouse moves on the windows desktop too | 20:00 |
| lcuk | heh no eye tracking | 20:00 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: the one with the boobies? | 20:01 |
| lbt | OK, so what x2vnc does is like that | 20:01 |
| lbt | but better | 20:01 |
| lcuk | but the "x" bit needs a linux machine | 20:01 |
| lbt | what's your laptop running? | 20:01 |
| lcuk | ubuntu | 20:02 |
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| lbt | right .... shurrup then :) | 20:02 |
| lcuk | but thats native and doesnt need the 2vnc bit | 20:02 |
| lbt | tightvnc? | 20:02 |
| lcuk | yeah the ubuntu vnc mouse pointer sux | 20:02 |
| lcuk | it lags | 20:02 |
| lcuk | this one the local mouse pointer flows | 20:03 |
| lcuk | and remote one just keeps up as best possible | 20:03 |
| lcuk | ubuntu vnc viewer is awful when using 3g | 20:03 |
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| lcuk | so tightvnc was betterer | 20:04 |
| lbt | OK, I just want to verify... that window... witht the blacked out bits - is windows. | 20:04 |
| lcuk | yes | 20:04 |
| lbt | it sits in a ubuntu screen | 20:04 |
| lcuk | yes | 20:04 |
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| lbt | and it shows your desktop which is also displaying to your left on the real desktop monitor | 20:05 |
| lcuk | no | 20:05 |
| lcuk | the desktop machine has no real monitor anymore | 20:05 |
| lbt | OK | 20:05 |
| lcuk | the monitor at the side of me is a completely different computer | 20:05 |
| lcuk | that also has a vnc connection but i rarely use it | 20:05 |
| lbt | how many mice do you have? | 20:06 |
| lcuk | because i can just poke at its screen | 20:06 |
| lcuk | 1 | 20:06 |
| lbt | ( good point ) | 20:06 |
| GAN900 | lbt, wait, what? | 20:06 |
| GAN900 | lbt, Linux kernel can't handle multiple GPUs? | 20:07 |
| lbt | 3D DRI | 20:07 |
| lbt | using DRI2 | 20:07 |
| lbt | afaik | 20:07 |
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| * CosmoHill wonders if it's a good thing or not that he's never had coffee | 20:12 | |
| lcuk | its a good thing | 20:12 |
| CosmoHill | :) | 20:12 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, onto your battlestation - with photos and explanations :P | 20:12 |
| CosmoHill | At most I'd have two redbulls a semester | 20:12 |
| CosmoHill | okay | 20:13 |
| CosmoHill | http://black-flag.co.uk/files/battlestation-lcuk.jpg | 20:15 |
| lcuk | its not mine! | 20:15 |
| CosmoHill | firstly, sorry about the mess, it's always like that near deadlines | 20:15 |
| lcuk | gah CosmoHill how do you use the monitor behind laptop? | 20:16 |
| lcuk | i have mine raised on on a toshiba T1000 and a couple of books | 20:16 |
| CosmoHill | I either close the laptop and use it in clamshell mode | 20:16 |
| CosmoHill | or I use the top part of the monitor | 20:16 |
| CosmoHill | it's only the bottom 3" I can't see from where I sit | 20:17 |
| lcuk | maybe not hte 1000 | 20:17 |
| CosmoHill | what I tend to do is put my laptop closed on my desktop and plug in the monitor and keyboard | 20:17 |
| lcuk | yeah mine are as close to seamless transfer | 20:17 |
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| CosmoHill | you pick something out and I'll tell you about it | 20:18 |
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| lcuk | i dunno where to start lol | 20:19 |
| CosmoHill | I must say I do like that pick as it's like a snapshot of life, cos I've really just stood up, moved the chair and took the pic | 20:19 |
| lbt | the white wire? | 20:19 |
| CosmoHill | if you're talking about the one with red tape on it, it's the laptop power cable | 20:20 |
| lbt | nah, the wiggly one | 20:20 |
| CosmoHill | there's an ipod one in the front of the AV | 20:20 |
| lbt | by the black thing | 20:20 |
| CosmoHill | three wires, red, white and yellow? | 20:20 |
| CosmoHill | at the ends | 20:21 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, training to be a bomb disposal guy? | 20:21 |
| lcuk | sitting there wondering which wire to cut | 20:21 |
| CosmoHill | if i cut the red one the right speaker will turn off | 20:21 |
| lcuk | not very exciting | 20:21 |
| lbt | that a lian-li behind the desk? | 20:22 |
| CosmoHill | the silver computer? | 20:22 |
| lbt | y | 20:22 |
| CosmoHill | that's a jeantech case | 20:22 |
| CosmoHill | £31 from PC world, also my first ever mod :D | 20:23 |
| CosmoHill | it's currently my server | 20:23 |
| lbt | ah, not aluminium then | 20:23 |
| CosmoHill | steel, and flexiable | 20:23 |
| CosmoHill | the case wobbles because the base flexes | 20:23 |
| th0br0 | haha, i like that battlesation, CosmoHill | 20:23 |
| th0br0 | what's that poster to the top btw? | 20:24 |
| th0br0 | looks like some manga? | 20:24 |
| CosmoHill | it's a comic by VG cats | 20:24 |
| CosmoHill | the far left one | 20:24 |
| th0br0 | k | 20:24 |
| CosmoHill | to the right you have a ticket from a car rally i went to | 20:24 |
| th0br0 | I'm talking about the middle one | 20:24 |
| th0br0 | with the funny native guy | 20:25 |
| CosmoHill | pink / redish? | 20:25 |
| CosmoHill | oh that | 20:25 |
| CosmoHill | that's hawk | 20:25 |
| CosmoHill | the text goes "Rawr! Do your work!" | 20:25 |
| th0br0 | k | 20:25 |
| th0br0 | It'd clearly evaluate to False in my case here right now | 20:26 |
| CosmoHill | behinds the two macs on the bottom right is a Dell PowerEdge 4400 | 20:27 |
| CosmoHill | the 4400 standing for 44.00kg I think... | 20:27 |
| th0br0 | shouldn't you be working and not procrastinating? :D | 20:27 |
| CosmoHill | I blame lcuk | 20:27 |
| frals | its almost always a good idea to blame lcuk | 20:28 |
| lcuk | \@/ | 20:29 |
| CosmoHill | if you have a question I'll answer if | 20:29 |
| CosmoHill | it | 20:29 |
| * CosmoHill goes back to work | 20:29 | |
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| Corsac | hmmh, that's a powerbook? | 20:30 |
| CosmoHill | yes | 20:31 |
| Corsac | \o/ | 20:31 |
| CosmoHill | (and yes, that is electrical tape) | 20:31 |
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| th0br0 | electrical tape? | 20:34 |
| th0br0 | ah nvm | 20:35 |
| CosmoHill | the black stuff holding the LCD assemblery together ^.^ | 20:35 |
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| CosmoHill | okay that was trippy | 20:51 |
| CosmoHill | I can scroll sideways too | 20:51 |
| CosmoHill | so I scrolled around and around in a circle | 20:52 |
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| lbt | dl9pf: ping | 21:02 |
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| lcuk | lbt, the little test app ive been mucking about with in python - i decided to remove the qt dependencies and see what footprint of qt im actually touching | 21:21 |
| lcuk | its not complete because for proper app i would need images and text support, but it gives idea | 21:22 |
| lcuk | http://pastebin.com/vuKMx9zc | 21:22 |
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| slaine | Billy was a mounta | 21:42 |
| slaine | in | 21:42 |
| slaine | Ethel was a tree growing off of his shoulder | 21:42 |
| TSCHAKeee | did you get into my blue dot stamps? | 21:43 |
| TSCHAKeee | because those aren't stamps | 21:43 |
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| th0br0 | lcuk: how good do you know qt? | 21:50 |
| th0br0 | (the c++ side) | 21:50 |
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| th0br0 | or just another question: why does qt creator encourage such ... weird programming style... | 21:50 |
| slaine | TSCHAKeee, haha, no. I'm listening to some zappa | 21:50 |
| lcuk | th0br0, qt is just a library and im learning it in my own way | 21:51 |
| slaine | th0br0: example ? | 21:51 |
| th0br0 | slaine: well, ever tried storing your sources in multiple dirs? | 21:51 |
| TSCHAKeee | slaine: ;) | 21:51 |
| th0br0 | i haven't succeeded at that yet tbh. | 21:51 |
| TSCHAKeee | i was listening to Sheik Yerbouti earlier | 21:51 |
| CosmoHill | th0br0: with multiple make files? | 21:51 |
| CosmoHill | th0br0: do you mean like, a source dir, a headers sir, a resource dir ? | 21:52 |
| lcuk | th0br0, multi folders are all right where required i used to manage a system with lots and lots of folders | 21:52 |
| slaine | th0br0: I don't think QtCreator is a particularly good IDE | 21:52 |
| * CosmoHill sticks with vim | 21:52 | |
| lcuk | the thing i dislike is split headers/code files in any language | 21:52 |
| th0br0 | slaine: true. but the msvs addin only supports the non-express version | 21:52 |
| lcuk | i come from vb world nowadays | 21:52 |
| th0br0 | lcuk: oh it's very practical for interfaces. | 21:52 |
| slaine | th0br0: the what now ? | 21:52 |
| lcuk | i know its reasoning | 21:52 |
| th0br0 | CosmoHill: further differentiate between various sub parts ... | 21:52 |
| lcuk | i just dislike how verbose i have to be | 21:52 |
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| th0br0 | slaine: microsoft visual studio addin. | 21:52 |
| lcuk | it makes adhoc coding harder | 21:52 |
| * slaine gets sick into his mouth | 21:53 | |
| CosmoHill | could you give me a name of a qt file so I can see if it's installed on my mac | 21:53 |
| th0br0 | the msvs express version is just a cut down, free one. | 21:53 |
| th0br0 | CosmoHill: I think that all Qt apps package Qt anew. THat's why they're so big | 21:53 |
| th0br0 | I, personally, don't think that OSX is a particular good system for developing on. | 21:54 |
| CosmoHill | oh god | 21:55 |
| CosmoHill | qt creator reminds me of flash | 21:55 |
| TSCHAKeee | slaine: THE WHITE ZONE...IS FOR LOADING....AND UNLOADING.... | 21:55 |
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| th0br0 | ^^ CosmoHill | 21:55 |
| TSCHAKeee | THIS IS...THE CENTRAL...SCRUTINIZER..... | 21:55 |
| th0br0 | It is nasty indeed. | 21:55 |
| * CosmoHill spent 12 weeks using flash CS4 | 21:55 | |
| CosmoHill | i hate it when lecturers go to you "you must buy this software that you probably won't use after 12 weeks" | 21:56 |
| TSCHAKeee | CosmoHill: this university is brought to you by Microsoft? :P | 21:56 |
| TSCHAKeee | and Adobe | 21:56 |
| slaine | Billy had two big caves for eyes. And a cliff for a jaw that would go up and down. And when ever it did, he would hack up a bolder | 21:56 |
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| CosmoHill | MS is fine, we don't pay for that | 21:57 |
| CosmoHill | but being told you have to spend at least £150 on software is not a good start to the semester | 21:57 |
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| CosmoHill | also being told that it doesn't work on mac is bad | 21:57 |
| CosmoHill | but i have a windows laptop now :) | 21:57 |
| TSCHAKeee | this in addition to tuition | 21:57 |
| CosmoHill | don't worry, It also have RHEL 6 Beta :) | 21:57 |
| TSCHAKeee | which i always found to be fucking hilarious | 21:57 |
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| th0br0 | TSCHAKeee: if it were, they'd be getting the software for free | 21:58 |
| th0br0 | CosmoHill: what kind of software? | 21:58 |
| CosmoHill | for uni? | 21:58 |
| th0br0 | yes. | 21:58 |
| th0br0 | what software did you have to buy | 21:58 |
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| CosmoHill | Adobe Fireworks Pro and UML Studio 7 | 21:58 |
| th0br0 | are you kidding? | 21:59 |
| CosmoHill | no | 21:59 |
| th0br0 | First of all, UML Studio is idiotic. | 21:59 |
| TSCHAKeee | yeah no kidding, who actually uses UML? :P | 21:59 |
| CosmoHill | I paid extra and got a bundle | 21:59 |
| th0br0 | I mean, there are enough free alternatives out there. | 21:59 |
| th0br0 | And what do you need Adobe Fireworks for? | 21:59 |
| CosmoHill | the bundle is cheaper than any two products inside it | 21:59 |
| CosmoHill | Flash | 21:59 |
| CosmoHill | * | 21:59 |
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| th0br0 | http://www.pragsoft.com/ << are we talking about this uml studio? | 21:59 |
| CosmoHill | yes | 22:00 |
| th0br0 | omfg. | 22:00 |
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| TSCHAKeee | boy, that's a nice little ass raping | 22:00 |
| slaine | TSCHAKeee: I've worked in hell wholes where people designed programs with UML and handed off pieces of the "model" to coders to develope | 22:00 |
| th0br0 | Honestly... | 22:00 |
| CosmoHill | when i say buy, i mean "acquire" | 22:00 |
| th0br0 | I wonder how much money that professor earns from each bundle bought this way | 22:00 |
| CosmoHill | they get nothing | 22:00 |
| slaine | s/wholes/holes/ | 22:00 |
| infobot | slaine meant: TSCHAKeee: I've worked in hell holes where people designed programs with UML and handed off pieces of the "model" to coders to develope | 22:00 |
| th0br0 | But for such crappy software (by the looks of their webpage..) | 22:00 |
| CosmoHill | what I hate is we are taught to use a model that isn't default on anything | 22:01 |
| CosmoHill | so you end up making a custom model anyway | 22:01 |
| slaine | That's college for you | 22:01 |
| slaine | I was taught COBOL and RPG ffs | 22:01 |
| th0br0 | No, learning to do interfaces is a good thing. | 22:01 |
| TSCHAKeee | but you need college because HR hires people with those thick pieces of paper :P | 22:01 |
| CosmoHill | I also have Windows Server 2008 running MSSQL 2008, I also use Visio 2007, Project 2007 and 2010 and VS2010 | 22:02 |
| CosmoHill | plus two copies on windows | 22:02 |
| slaine | TSCHAKeee: I disagree | 22:02 |
| th0br0 | But you get them for free via MSDNAA right? | 22:02 |
| CosmoHill | at a grand cost of £00.00 :D | 22:02 |
| CosmoHill | if I use QT LGPL I'd have to share my source code? | 22:03 |
| th0br0 | why not get VS2008 tho? | 22:03 |
| th0br0 | When I once used VS2010 it sucked.. | 22:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | yes...yes you do...cough it up bitch | 22:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | kidding | 22:03 |
| th0br0 | CosmoHill: uh, no. | 22:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | ;) | 22:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | hehehehe | 22:03 |
| CosmoHill | th0br0: I have 2005 express and I needed a pro feature | 22:03 |
| th0br0 | mh. | 22:03 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, ? lgpl can be linked to closed code | 22:04 |
| CosmoHill | my friend had the installer on his laptop | 22:04 |
| CosmoHill | so it was the easiest to get | 22:04 |
| th0br0 | mhk | 22:04 |
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| CosmoHill | (it's a damn 3GB file :o) | 22:04 |
| Surfa | gpl is kind of an cancer | 22:04 |
| th0br0 | not true surfa | 22:04 |
| Surfa | very true actually | 22:05 |
| th0br0 | no. why do you think that gpl is a cancer? | 22:05 |
| Surfa | think how cancer works? | 22:05 |
| * CosmoHill gets his stuck hamster out of the kitchen | 22:06 | |
| Surfa | once you get it, you never completely get rid of it an eventually it kills you | 22:06 |
| * TSCHAK2 rolls his fucking eyes. | 22:06 | |
| TSCHAK2 | Surfa, go away. | 22:07 |
| Surfa | gpl as such is something that has nothing attractive as a license | 22:07 |
| GAN900 | No trolling | 22:07 |
| Surfa | why? because i've been workin with licenses and know what i'm talking about | 22:07 |
| TSCHAK2 | go away. | 22:08 |
| GAN900 | Surfa, you're trolling. | 22:08 |
| th0br0 | GAN900: i second that. | 22:08 |
| Surfa | no i'm not | 22:08 |
| TSCHAK2 | somebody want to boot this guy? | 22:08 |
| th0br0 | Surfa: GPL's good part is that you have to share your changes. | 22:08 |
| Surfa | correct what was wrong | 22:08 |
| th0br0 | And now please return to QNet | 22:08 |
| Surfa | good thing? | 22:09 |
| TSCHAK2 | Surfa, the advantages of the GPL....and the sheer flaws of your absurd assumption have been pointed out many times over....elsewher.e | 22:09 |
| CosmoHill | hey everyone, check this out: http://cosmo1847.co.uk/blog_images/freddy.jpg | 22:09 |
| TSCHAK2 | Surfa, you will not find any friends, expressing it here... | 22:09 |
| TSCHAK2 | Surfa, not will you find ANYONE willing to debate it. | 22:09 |
| Surfa | how is that good? almost anyone wanting to make money with innovations see gpl as attractive as cancer | 22:09 |
| TSCHAK2 | Surfa, so please. unless you have something CONSTRUCTIVE to contribute | 22:10 |
| Surfa | bsd licenses are much better in almost any way | 22:10 |
| TSCHAK2 | Surfa, GO AWAY. | 22:10 |
| slaine | calm down guys, don't feed the troll and use your ignores 'til someone with op can deal with it | 22:10 |
| th0br0 | Stskeeps: you there? | 22:10 |
| Surfa | well.. constructive discussion is just to tell to go away? very interesting view of discussion | 22:11 |
| slaine | CosmoHill: what's that, your dinner ? | 22:11 |
| GAN900 | Surfa, it's offtopic | 22:11 |
| CosmoHill | he's my hamster :D | 22:11 |
| TSCHAK2 | Surfa, why are you here? it is off topic. | 22:11 |
| th0br0 | Don't feed the trolls, GAN900, TSCHAK2 | 22:11 |
| slaine | CosmoHill: nom nom, hamster, hmmmm | 22:11 |
| * TSCHAK2 just flips on ignore | 22:11 | |
| th0br0 | :) | 22:12 |
| CosmoHill | :o | 22:12 |
| slaine | lol | 22:12 |
| Surfa | feed the troll :D.. just before i said anything last lines were about lgpl and closed source code | 22:12 |
| Surfa | if anyone wants to have closed code bsd licenses are way best licenses that there are | 22:13 |
| Surfa | and gpl is really referred as a cancer in many places.. it's not my own invention | 22:14 |
| Surfa | no matter if you like it or not | 22:14 |
| ml-mobile | well yes, greedy people will insult something that hasma price they don't like | 22:14 |
| centoslinux | you guys like LiMo? | 22:14 |
| ml-mobile | LiMo is not open whatsoever | 22:14 |
| centoslinux | really? | 22:15 |
| ml-mobile | really | 22:15 |
| ml-mobile | platform is open to members only | 22:15 |
| Surfa | ml-mobile, gpl nature is such unattractive for most companies that it's kind of sad | 22:15 |
| th0br0 | Surfa: mind that you have not brought ANY arguments so far to substantiate your claims. | 22:15 |
| ml-mobile | min member fee is $10K, distribution license is $100K | 22:15 |
| th0br0 | Besides, take a look at Red Hat. It is very attractive for them. | 22:15 |
| Surfa | th0br0, read the lines again and think the terms of gpl and you should see the connection.. really | 22:16 |
| th0br0 | Surfa: i asked you a question which i have not received a clear answer to | 22:16 |
| Surfa | typing details with n900 is too painful | 22:16 |
| ml-mobile | the terms of the GPL are clear, and only annoys the greedy | 22:16 |
| Surfa | th0br0, what was the question? | 22:16 |
| th0br0 | I asked you to substantiate your claims. | 22:17 |
| * lcuk just wrote something using the "DO WHAT YOU WANT TO PUBLIC LICENSE" :) | 22:17 | |
| th0br0 | Besides, you're using irssi right now. | 22:17 |
| th0br0 | Stop using it if you hate the GPL | 22:17 |
| Surfa | ml-mobile, annoys and makes possible innovators go away | 22:17 |
| ml-mobile | then they can go away | 22:17 |
| lcuk | Surfa, theres plenty of innovation in gpl land | 22:17 |
| ml-mobile | if they don't want to play ball | 22:17 |
| th0br0 | True innovators don't care about profit. | 22:17 |
| lcuk | and i'd rather innovation made in the open remains in the open | 22:18 |
| Surfa | lcuk, never said there wasn't.. but could be even more | 22:18 |
| lcuk | then get off your asses and share code | 22:18 |
| TSCHAKeee | they probably can't | 22:18 |
| TSCHAKeee | because they don't have any | 22:18 |
| centoslinux | ml-mobile: LiMo is not open to end user? | 22:18 |
| TSCHAKeee | :o | 22:18 |
| TSCHAKeee | :) | 22:18 |
| Surfa | lcuk, sharing innovations may be done also without publishing whole source | 22:18 |
| ml-mobile | centoslinux: correct, the LiMo userland is explicitly not open | 22:19 |
| th0br0 | ml-mobile: how can they do that? | 22:19 |
| lcuk | Surfa, but how does that help people | 22:19 |
| slaine | by writing theor own code ? | 22:19 |
| ml-mobile | simple, it's not gpl or bsd | 22:19 |
| lcuk | if the inovation isnt published and open how can people build on it | 22:19 |
| th0br0 | mh ml-mobile | 22:19 |
| ml-mobile | though there's probably BSD code locked up in it | 22:20 |
| Surfa | th0br0, hate is too strong word.. i don't hate it, but see it as unattractive for most of things i'd like to do | 22:20 |
| th0br0 | Surfa: I never used the word "hate" | 22:20 |
| th0br0 | Ah I did | 22:20 |
| th0br0 | my bad. | 22:20 |
| Surfa | th0br0, yes you did :) | 22:20 |
| th0br0 | What are those things you'd like to do? | 22:20 |
| th0br0 | Why do you see it as unattractive? | 22:20 |
| lcuk | Surfa, do you have innovations made which you want to allow people to build on? | 22:21 |
| lcuk | or are you talking in general | 22:21 |
| Surfa | lcuk, of course ideas without source code help developers, but it makes them contribute by themselves too | 22:21 |
| lcuk | but that just means people reinvent same thing? | 22:22 |
| th0br0 | how so? if you don't give them any source, they don't really have some foundation to build upon | 22:22 |
| ml-mobile | ideas without source are useless, and makes the users dependent on the owner | 22:22 |
| lcuk | now, like i said have yougot specific things? | 22:22 |
| Surfa | lcuk, and make it possible to earn some bucks without need to open your own source | 22:22 |
| lcuk | Surfa, please answer my question | 22:23 |
| Surfa | lcuk, inventing and implementing are two different things right? | 22:23 |
| lcuk | people can make plenty living with open code | 22:23 |
| lcuk | its the person and the contributor, not their results | 22:23 |
| ml-mobile | ok, enough idling in the parking lot... | 22:25 |
| Surfa | too painful to discuss on n900 :) | 22:25 |
| lcuk | well a simple yes or no wouldv sufficed ;) | 22:25 |
| Surfa | i think i'll get back to tv to watch hockey | 22:25 |
| centoslinux | Surfa: you are on N900? | 22:25 |
| Surfa | lcuk, ok.. what was the question? | 22:26 |
| lcuk | Surfa, "sharing innovations can be done without publishing source" - i asked whether you have innovations to share | 22:26 |
| Surfa | centoslinux, yes.. i think i told it twice | 22:27 |
| centoslinux | Surfa: :) | 22:27 |
| frals | Surfa: finland vs denmark can hardly be worth watching? should be a walk over ;) | 22:27 |
| Surfa | lcuk, personal or business? | 22:27 |
| lcuk | Surfa, both | 22:27 |
| lcuk | any | 22:27 |
| lcuk | either | 22:27 |
| Surfa | frals, seems so.. denmark over finland :P | 22:27 |
| Surfa | lcuk, then yes :) | 22:27 |
| centoslinux | i'm considering to buy N900, but should i wait until MeeGo devices comes out? | 22:27 |
| Surfa | if you need a device, no | 22:28 |
| Surfa | by when there is a need, otherwise you'll wait forever | 22:28 |
| centoslinux | no, i 've two phones already, Samsung Galaxy & Nexus One | 22:29 |
| lcuk | go for it then Surfa where do you post your innovations | 22:29 |
| centoslinux | no need actually, but i want a true open soruce phone | 22:30 |
| LinuxCode | centoslinux, I suspect, meego will try hared to be on the new atom chips | 22:30 |
| LinuxCode | -e | 22:30 |
| LinuxCode | but I dont see that happeneing | 22:30 |
| * lcuk peeks @ LinuxCode | 22:30 | |
| LinuxCode | the battery life would be horrid | 22:30 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, allo ;-D | 22:30 |
| centoslinux | hmm | 22:31 |
| LinuxCode | centoslinux, I will get a N900 | 22:31 |
| LinuxCode | it will last at least 2 years | 22:31 |
| LinuxCode | and maybe then, the intel atoms will be small enough to be more efficient | 22:31 |
| LinuxCode | unless they will also provide arm stuff | 22:32 |
| LinuxCode | which of course, would be nice to have choice | 22:32 |
| centoslinux | hmm | 22:32 |
| Surfa | meego arm stuff? will be of course | 22:32 |
| centoslinux | no snapdragon | 22:33 |
| LinuxCode | Surfa, can you quote ? | 22:33 |
| LinuxCode | be nice to have confirmation | 22:33 |
| centoslinux | N900 has Cortex-A8, annoys me little | 22:34 |
| centoslinux | that it doesn't have SnapDragon | 22:34 |
| centoslinux | Snapdragon is so fast | 22:34 |
| LinuxCode | centoslinux, the way I look at it | 22:35 |
| LinuxCode | Im happy we have something like the N900 at all | 22:35 |
| centoslinux | agree with you | 22:35 |
| * LinuxCode waited years for a linux based mobile | 22:35 | |
| LinuxCode | loved the N810 | 22:35 |
| LinuxCode | and I will happily replace the N810 with the N900 and my mobile | 22:35 |
| LinuxCode | ehh | 22:36 |
| centoslinux | :) | 22:36 |
| LinuxCode | N810 + mobile with N900 | 22:36 |
| ml-mobile | more importantly, a (mostly) open linum mobile | 22:36 |
| ml-mobile | linux* | 22:36 |
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| LinuxCode | ml-mobile, yeh, that is positive too | 22:36 |
| centoslinux | if someone buys my Galaxy i'll by n900, no doubt | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | TSCHAKeee: huh? | 22:36 |
| ml-mobile | there are many totally closed Linux phones already | 22:36 |
| LinuxCode | preferablly I want a device where I can do with it what I like | 22:36 |
| LinuxCode | distro wise | 22:36 |
| centoslinux | Android fooled me to think i was having Linux mobile | 22:36 |
| bfree | LinuxCode: there have been Linux phones for maybe a decade or more before the N900, admitedly few you could load your own kernel and os on | 22:36 |
| Stskeeps | th0br0: ? | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | TSCHAKeee: you'll love it, it's a way of life | 22:37 |
| LinuxCode | bfree, I could never ever get my hands on them | 22:37 |
| LinuxCode | ever | 22:37 |
| ml-mobile | closest was the motoming A1200 | 22:37 |
| th0br0 | Stskeeps: it was earlier requested that the troll, Surfa, be kicked. but he seems to have quieted down | 22:37 |
| LinuxCode | bfree, finsing a reseller was like finding a needle in the sun | 22:37 |
| LinuxCode | finding* | 22:37 |
| centoslinux | question to ppl from US here: can i use US N900 here in Europe? | 22:37 |
| * LinuxCode used to experiment with his Jornada 720 | 22:37 | |
| Stskeeps | th0br0: fair enough, even though i don't have a high opinion of gpl myself :P (bsd licensing ftw :P) | 22:38 |
| th0br0 | ^^ | 22:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | centoslinux: there's no localized N900 hardware | 22:39 |
| centoslinux | DocScrutinizer: what abt 3G mhz? | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | centoslinux: The N900 has all the standard worldwide WCDMA frequencies, but is missing a few weird ones used in US | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | still all N900 are the same | 22:42 |
| slaine | lbt, Stskeeps how's the community obs stuff going ? | 22:42 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, do you use bsd for all your code? | 22:42 |
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| lbt | slaine: http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenSuse_Build_Service | 22:42 |
| TSCHAKeee | centoslinux: the SnapDragon is NOT the end all be all of ARM cores | 22:42 |
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| Surfa | th0br0, :D nice attitude to say someone is a troll and reply nothing constructive either | 22:43 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: when it's my own code yes | 22:43 |
| TSCHAKeee | centoslinux: the OMAP is a much...more balanced design. | 22:43 |
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| th0br0 | Surfa: i was trying to be constructive. i asked you to provide proof for your claims. | 22:43 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, what did you use for the ircdoofer | 22:43 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: gpl, but that was inheritance | 22:43 |
| slaine | lbt, are you ready for me to start my testing ? | 22:43 |
| Surfa | th0br0, right.. proofs are in terms | 22:43 |
| TSCHAKeee | can someone please skullfuck Surfa? | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | sigh - will you people calm down if you get a pint of good beer? | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:44 |
| centoslinux | TSCHAKeee: don't get you | 22:44 |
| lbt | ooh... is this a bsd / gpl fight? | 22:44 |
| TSCHAKeee | centoslinux: the OMAP contains a very powerful DSP, in addition to the ARM core | 22:44 |
| centoslinux | i see | 22:45 |
| lbt | slaine: X-Fade needs to setup accounts and stuff | 22:45 |
| centoslinux | :) | 22:45 |
| TSCHAKeee | centoslinux: and memory i/o between them is well balanced... so while the OMAP has less clock speed...it can do more than a snapdragon. | 22:45 |
| TSCHAKeee | centoslinux: you've spent too much time in the x86 world | 22:45 |
| Surfa | :D | 22:45 |
| lbt | slaine: thoughts on the processes being oulined there would be good. | 22:45 |
| Surfa | i have beer already, which is nice | 22:46 |
| TSCHAKeee | centoslinux: if you really want to see the truth between the chips, go look at the data sheets, and study the differences. | 22:46 |
| centoslinux | TSCHAKeee: hehe, you are right! | 22:46 |
| lbt | Also, I should have dug up links to existing maemo QA/testing docs ... and we could look for fedora parallels too | 22:46 |
| TSCHAKeee | centoslinux: clock speed is NOT everything. | 22:46 |
| Stskeeps | on a sidenote, is those rpm school things taking tools like spectacle into consideration? | 22:46 |
| lbt | TSCHAKeee: yes, but which chip will diff the datasheets quicker? | 22:47 |
| centoslinux | TSCHAKeee: yeah, that true. AMD proved that | 22:47 |
| TSCHAKeee | lbt: rofl | 22:47 |
| centoslinux | thats* | 22:47 |
| TSCHAKeee | and OMAP4 is turning out to be | 22:47 |
| TSCHAKeee | awesome | 22:47 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: they should... we need guidance on best practice | 22:47 |
| TSCHAKeee | i'd like to see some real hardware using it soon. | 22:47 |
| Surfa | TSCHAKeee, nice commenting there how about constructive discussion and some license difference study for you? | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | Surfa: if you want to discuss licenses without a concrete case, go to the fsf anonymous meetings | 22:48 |
| TSCHAKeee | Surfa: you are way above your pay grade here. | 22:48 |
| Surfa | gpl goes, but it doesnt make it any less cancer like license | 22:48 |
| TSCHAKeee | Surfa: and you are talking to people who know a LOT more about this, than you do | 22:48 |
| TSCHAKeee | Surfa: you should quit while you're ahead. | 22:48 |
| lbt | he's ahead? | 22:48 |
| lbt | oh, a head. | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | TSCHAKeee: don't feed the conversation. this is comparable to a discussion on religion. noone wins. | 22:48 |
| Surfa | oh really? so how much do I know or do not know? | 22:48 |
| TSCHAKeee | Surfa: what is it you do, exactly? | 22:48 |
| Surfa | Stskeeps, well said.. :) | 22:49 |
| Surfa | licenses are like diseases and religions | 22:49 |
| slaine | lbt, ok, I've to finish up now, but I'll read it over tomorrow and get back. from a quick glance it all looked sane | 22:49 |
| lbt | no, disease is real religion is a delusion | 22:49 |
| lbt | slaine: Sure... would be nice to critique it and flesh it out | 22:50 |
| slaine | only way to make progress | 22:50 |
| Surfa | lbt, discussion on licenses is quite delusive too? or it often appears so | 22:50 |
| slaine | right, time to put the offspring to bed, laters | 22:50 |
| lbt | night slaine | 22:50 |
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| lbt | dl9pf: ping again... got called away, sorry. | 22:51 |
| TSCHAKeee | Surfa: what is it, you do, again? | 22:51 |
| dl9pf | pong | 22:51 |
| lbt | o/ | 22:52 |
| Surfa | TSCHAKeee, why do you take this so personally? | 22:52 |
| lbt | just looking at crosscompile and I think you've been working on it? | 22:52 |
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| TSCHAKeee | Surfa: because people like you contribute nothing to society. | 22:52 |
| Surfa | that's what you think | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | right, that's it - if you want to argue, do it in private, or go to #outside | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | gentlemen, could you maybe take it elsewhere? | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | i'm sure you can have a intelligent conversation between you two | 22:53 |
| lbt | I was building deb based arm pkgs dl9pf, and it needed the static packages | 22:53 |
| Surfa | no need to argue :) | 22:53 |
| Surfa | i'm not personally insulted.. so all is just fine | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, it's not | 22:54 |
| TSCHAKeee | Surfa: you are pissing off people in here, for no constructive purpose. | 22:54 |
| lbt | dl9pf: is that new? | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | right, so let's leave this be and let's get back to discussing cross compilation, architectures and bacon | 22:54 |
| TSCHAKeee | Surfa: GO AWAY. | 22:54 |
| dl9pf | yes, any statically compiled bash/mount will do | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | TSCHAKeee: calm down. | 22:54 |
| * TSCHAKeee takes a xanax. | 22:54 | |
| * DocScrutinizer suggests temporary +q | 22:54 | |
| dl9pf | for now, we need these . removing this dependency is work for after 1.8 | 22:55 |
| lbt | dl9pf: OK - just checking. Not noticed needing it before | 22:55 |
| Jartza | what's up | 22:55 |
| dl9pf | then it was buggy before ... | 22:55 |
| dl9pf | or didn't work | 22:55 |
| centoslinux | now i made my mind up to N900!!! | 22:55 |
| lbt | this is simple deb/arm building | 22:55 |
| centoslinux | how much is N900 in Canada? | 22:55 |
| dl9pf | chroot ? | 22:55 |
| lbt | yes | 22:55 |
| dl9pf | ok, then its overkill, right | 22:56 |
| lbt | or it could be that the VMs had it installed | 22:56 |
| lbt | I'm using uber-minimal installs now :) | 22:56 |
| dl9pf | for chroot its overkill, for VM its mandatory | 22:56 |
| Surfa | i still can't see a reason why these discussions are always taken so personally.. but perhaps we should quit anyway.. | 22:56 |
| * Surfa offers handshake for TSCHAKeee | 22:56 | |
| lbt | it appeared to be tested for in the build... OK... so long as it's known behaviour :) | 22:57 |
| TSCHAKeee | lbt: quick question, did you back up the factory image on your joggler? | 22:57 |
| lbt | make up with Surfa first | 22:57 |
| * Stskeeps glares at gcc | 22:58 | |
| * TSCHAKeee rolls eyes. continues hacking | 22:58 | |
| centoslinux | is it possible to make apps with Python in N900? | 22:58 |
| dl9pf | lbt: code got refractored. but we can look as its not needed in chroot mode | 22:58 |
| frals | centoslinux: yes | 22:58 |
| lbt | dl9pf: OK... are you merging the arm/deb x-compile? | 22:58 |
| dl9pf | it only needed for startup inside worker-vm | 22:59 |
| dl9pf | ? | 22:59 |
| lbt | deb/rpm I meant :) | 22:59 |
| centoslinux | frals: cool. I can't GTK | 22:59 |
| dl9pf | what do you mean ? | 22:59 |
| lbt | I assumed this was part of the accelerated x-compile? | 22:59 |
| lbt | or are we still on emulated gcc? | 23:00 |
| dl9pf | which deb builds ? | 23:00 |
| lbt | I'm doing deb/arm ... for fremantle maemo.org OBS | 23:01 |
| lbt | which is why I didn't expect the need for static bash/mount | 23:01 |
| lbt | but you said it was being refactored... | 23:02 |
| dl9pf | refractoring of "build" script | 23:02 |
| dl9pf | causes this | 23:02 |
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| lbt | OK... I'll review it | 23:03 |
| dl9pf | lbt paste your version of common_functions | 23:04 |
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| lbt | http://pastie.org/951752 | 23:06 |
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| dl9pf | is_emulator_arch || return | 23:08 |
| dl9pf | if [ -z "$VM_TYPE" ]; then | 23:08 |
| dl9pf | return 0 | 23:08 |
| dl9pf | fi | 23:08 |
| dl9pf | # to run the qemu initialization in the XEN chroot, we need to register it with a statically build shell | 23:08 |
| lbt | yeah, makes sense | 23:08 |
| dl9pf | insert this | 23:08 |
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| dl9pf | in case - just try "build" from git head | 23:10 |
| lbt | *nod* | 23:10 |
| dl9pf | i've symlinked it to my git working directory :P | 23:11 |
| lbt | :) me too for my desktop | 23:11 |
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| lbt | this is the maemo.org OBS | 23:11 |
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| lbt | it's running 1.7.3 | 23:11 |
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| CosmoHill | son of a table | 23:36 |
| * CosmoHill stabs | 23:36 | |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, why did you just stab the nightstand? | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | random | 23:36 |
| CosmoHill | http://group.black-flag.co.uk/article.php?ID=101 | 23:37 |
| CosmoHill | the address is in a table | 23:37 |
| CosmoHill | if you resize the window it goes over the bordre | 23:37 |
| lbt | usually tables are in addresses | 23:37 |
| lcuk | lbt or sometimes in flatpacks on the way back from ikea | 23:38 |
| lbt | yeah, that too | 23:38 |
| lbt | CosmoHill: I see what you mean: http://www.flickr.com/photos/96141280@N00/4590102180/ | 23:40 |
| lcuk | lbt i'd forgotten your like of tabs | 23:41 |
| CosmoHill | is that what they are? | 23:42 |
| * lbt can multi-task... | 23:42 | |
| lbt | a lot | 23:42 |
| CosmoHill | any ideas? | 23:43 |
| lbt | is it your html? | 23:43 |
| CosmoHill | yes | 23:43 |
| CosmoHill | have a look at the source if you want? | 23:44 |
| lbt | it only fails to wrap because the website url is too long | 23:45 |
| * lbt loves firebug | 23:46 | |
| CosmoHill | damn you're right | 23:46 |
| lbt | I know, it's a curse | 23:46 |
| CosmoHill | er i mean, thank you, you're right | 23:46 |
| lbt | do you have firebug? | 23:47 |
| CosmoHill | nope | 23:47 |
| lbt | get it... but buy a nappy first | 23:47 |
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| CosmoHill | now, if you could help fix the facebook thingy :) | 23:52 |
| lbt | facebook is broken by design | 23:52 |
| CosmoHill | oh i see | 23:52 |
| th0br0 | lbt: ++ | 23:52 |
| CosmoHill | the width is hard coded | 23:52 |
| lbt | have you got firebug yet? | 23:53 |
| CosmoHill | no | 23:54 |
| CosmoHill | but I fixed it anyway | 23:54 |
| lbt | don't you trust me? | 23:55 |
| CosmoHill | I do | 23:56 |
| * lbt clickies firebug just because it's so cool | 23:57 | |
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