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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 00:20 |
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| jedix | so is there an rsync site for the devel branch yet? | 00:33 |
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| CosmoHill | Time for bed. Cyas! | 02:14 |
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| Termana | good morning | 02:22 |
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| M0DCM_Dave | Will Meego be compatible with Poulsbo devices? | 02:25 |
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| tripzero | we need a "car mode" ofono plugin | 04:39 |
| tripzero | that sends an auto-response when you are in car-mode (ie, "don't talk to me I'm driving") | 04:40 |
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| TSCHAKeee | tripzero: does ofono do anything useful at present? | 04:59 |
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| tripzero | TSCHAKeee, i believe so | 05:01 |
| Termana | TSCHAKeee, sends sms'es and makes calls? :P | 05:01 |
| TSCHAKeee | does it? | 05:01 |
| Termana | yes | 05:01 |
| tripzero | but i admit i've only seen it work with phonesim | 05:01 |
| TSCHAKeee | :/ | 05:01 |
| tripzero | but yes, it makes phone calls and sends/recv sms | 05:01 |
| TSCHAKeee | ok | 05:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | shit. I am completely broke now | 05:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | took three months | 05:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | and i've got bills due | 05:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | *facepalm* | 05:03 |
| tripzero | paying too much for pr0n? | 05:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | not funny. | 05:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | last contract ended in march | 05:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | attached to 7 agencies | 05:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | calling them twice a week | 05:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | nothing. | 05:04 |
| tripzero | oh, that does suck | 05:04 |
| tripzero | sorry about that | 05:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | if i could build a fucking time machine | 05:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | and tell myself to NOT go into that side line of web work | 05:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | i would | 05:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | it has been a fucking plague on my whole damn resume | 05:05 |
| Termana | I have a flux capacitor, would you like to borrow it? | 05:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | yes please. | 05:05 |
| tripzero | i also have weapons grade plutonium | 05:05 |
| tripzero | to power it | 05:05 |
| Termana | tripzero, heh :P | 05:06 |
| Termana | But anyway, in all seriousness, I'm sorry to hear about all this TSCHAKeee. | 05:06 |
| TSCHAKeee | i just | 05:06 |
| TSCHAKeee | need a job | 05:06 |
| TSCHAKeee | anything :( | 05:07 |
| tripzero | i don't have much use for it these days anyway... countries now insist on making their own. thanks iran | 05:07 |
| Termana | TSCHAKeee, If something on your resume is letting you down, why not just not include it on there? | 05:07 |
| TSCHAKeee | because the last decade | 05:08 |
| TSCHAKeee | has been dominated by it on my resume | 05:08 |
| TSCHAKeee | i'm a polymath.. have done a WHOLE bunch of different things | 05:08 |
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| TSCHAKeee | but professionally, I look like a web guy | 05:08 |
| TSCHAKeee | nevermind I started designing my own computers when I was 7 (first one was a little Z80 machine) | 05:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | or that i've spent time as a professional musician and recording engineer | 05:09 |
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| Termana | Ah. Well, wiping a whole decade off your resume probably wouldn't be the best idea in finding a job. | 05:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | (or a whole host of other things that I did just because...well.. it was fun) | 05:10 |
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| Termana | TSCHAKeee, why not become an iPhone programmer. Isn't that the new "hot" programming job that is franticly looking for people? :P | 05:11 |
| TSCHAKeee | i have been trying but people have been looking for "experience" | 05:11 |
| TSCHAKeee | nevermind | 05:11 |
| TSCHAKeee | that I do have Cocoa, and NeXTSTEP on my list | 05:11 |
| TSCHAKeee | and that I had been dealing with both since 1990 | 05:11 |
| TSCHAKeee | but no, i haven't spent 5 years developing iPhone apps | 05:11 |
| TSCHAKeee | (oh yes, people are putting that on their resumes) | 05:12 |
| Termana | Why not try going into a junior programming job? (ones that accept people with no field experience, normally the ones taken by people fresh out of college/uni) | 05:12 |
| TSCHAKeee | (nobody knows that Cocoa came from OpenStep, which came from NeXTSTEP, all of which share the same damn toolkit, same damn language.) | 05:12 |
| TSCHAKeee | I am trying for anything | 05:13 |
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| Termana | Nokias hiring i heard :P | 05:15 |
| Termana | Finland and Australia though (AFAIK) :P | 05:15 |
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| Guest88263 | is there any document about how to setup the OBS for the meego? tks | 09:05 |
| pupnik | what's OBS? | 09:06 |
| tekojo | Guest88263: not that I know of | 09:08 |
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| Guest88263 | OBS is short for openSUSE Build Service | 09:08 |
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| pupnik | The pipeline will consist of: a community build system (OBS), a community repository, application | 09:13 |
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| pupnik | clients for MeeGo devices, the web backend for the clients and the backend that manages the repo | 09:14 |
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| tekojo | pupinik, yes that is the idea | 09:18 |
| pupnik | Guest88263: here's some related discussion http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.meego.devel/1352 | 09:18 |
| pupnik | well i'm quoting you :D | 09:18 |
| Guest88263 | thk | 09:20 |
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| pinchartl | hi | 11:00 |
| thiago | hi | 11:00 |
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| maclaver | hi | 11:35 |
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| maclaver | Thiago, do you know if Qt Creator has any constraints on the documentation format for help files etc.? | 11:36 |
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| thiago | maclaver: qch containing HTML only | 11:39 |
| lcuk | thiago, where should i file bugs in the qt nokia sdk beta? | 11:40 |
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| thiago | lcuk: bugreports.qt.nokia.com, component Nokia Qt SDK Installer | 11:40 |
| lcuk | ok ta :) | 11:40 |
| maclaver | lcuk, what problems are you having with it? | 11:41 |
| lcuk | maclaver, wasnt a problem per say, but on the installer EULA, theres a couple of callout links to list the OSS licenses and the UELA specifics themselves - whilst installing i clicked them to read and got a blank editor - thereby allowing me to accept the EULA in all its terms without ever reading or being knowedgable about the advanced portions thereof | 11:42 |
| maclaver | Oops, good thing it's a beta. | 11:42 |
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| lcuk | yeah :) and whilst there are terms and conditions to it, at present i have a fully installed and accepted only a bare minimum EULA | 11:43 |
| lcuk | which obviously isnt the desired effect | 11:43 |
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| lcuk | mind you maclaver i guess im probably one of the first to try and read them ;) | 11:44 |
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| maclaver | True (working for Nokia I do not really have to). | 11:45 |
| lcuk | sure you do | 11:45 |
| lcuk | everyone has rules :) | 11:45 |
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| lcuk | and working for a company should make you even more observent of them :P | 11:45 |
| maclaver | :( Ok, I will make a point of reading them (when they are available). | 11:49 |
| maclaver | Not that I like reading the legalese.... | 11:50 |
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| lcuk | maclaver, nobody does | 11:50 |
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| lcuk | legalese should be put to music | 11:51 |
| lcuk | if the lawyers can sing it, it can be included | 11:51 |
| maclaver | (Maybe not, a bunch of tone-deaf lawyers singing the Microsoft EULA could be a traumatic experience). | 11:52 |
| lcuk | my point exactly | 11:54 |
| lcuk | rewrite them until they are tuneful and memorable :D | 11:54 |
| markatto | I don't think that lawyers much care for our ears | 11:57 |
| markatto | they would be unlikely to change their stuff | 11:57 |
| markatto | I love how they always define things at the beginning | 11:58 |
| markatto | "yes" is defined to mean no. | 11:58 |
| lcuk | thiago, maclaver http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTSDK-24 :) | 12:01 |
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| Stskeeps | morning | 12:08 |
| Corsac | hey Sts | 12:09 |
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| slaine | So | 13:40 |
| slaine | how's everyone doing | 13:40 |
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| slaine | nice a quiet I see | 13:43 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, returning from denmark atm | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | 4 hours to go | 13:49 |
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| slaine | Stskeeps: was it a good break ? | 13:54 |
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| Stskeeps | slaine: yeah, cleared my head and now got a craving to code | 13:55 |
| slaine | cool | 13:56 |
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| TheBootroo | hello ! any date for the meego 1.0 for N900 release ? | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | sometime in may i guess | 15:48 |
| TheBootroo | "Also, we are planning to enable dual booting of Maemo 5 and MeeGo for the upcoming release. So that will be offered as 3rd way to setup MeeGo to N900, including the existing “native” MeeGo only on N900 and chroot based MeeGo on Maemo 5 setups. Taking the dual boot mode into use likely includes upgrade to Maemo5 kernel as well, but that should not be big issue in the process of enabling that." | 15:48 |
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| TheBootroo | is this meaning we need Maemo5 1.2 to dual boot meego ? | 15:48 |
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| Stskeeps | nah | 15:49 |
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| Stskeeps | kexec kernels exist for pr1.1.1 | 15:50 |
| TheBootroo | source : http://www.nokian900applications.com/dual-boot-with-meego-and-maemo-5-in-nokia-n900/ | 15:50 |
| TheBootroo | yes but it requires manual compilation of kernel + patches + flashing to work in 1.1.1 ? | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i know | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | hopefully not | 15:50 |
| TheBootroo | does it work with Titan's kenrel ? | 15:51 |
| TheBootroo | *kernel | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | B[B[Byes | 15:51 |
| TheBootroo | ok | 15:51 |
| TheBootroo | thats cool | 15:51 |
| TheBootroo | will the preview meego release be upgraded on the air to the 1.0 release ? | 15:52 |
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| Stskeeps | hard expectations there :) | 15:52 |
| slaine | TheBootroo: probably better to fresh install | 15:52 |
| TheBootroo | ok | 15:53 |
| slaine | current image is for testing infrastructure and drivers | 15:53 |
| TheBootroo | so RPM is really far behind APT ? | 15:53 |
| slaine | No | 15:53 |
| TheBootroo | cause maemo CAN be updated OTA .... | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | TheBootroo: they're not comparable | 15:53 |
| TheBootroo | thats what i said | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | rpm is comparable with dpkg | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | and yum/zypper with apt | 15:53 |
| TheBootroo | and what tool is used in meego ? yum, apt-rpm ? | 15:54 |
| slaine | yum | 15:54 |
| TheBootroo | :-' | 15:54 |
| TheBootroo | :-( | 15:54 |
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| suihkulokki | mmh.. I thought it was going to be zypper? | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: not sure which one actually is supposed to be used | 15:54 |
| TheBootroo | i would prefer apt-rpm | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | zypper makes more sense | 15:55 |
| slaine | you can upgrade over the air if you wish, but there's a high chance that a lot of pre/post processing that gets covered by the kickstart scripts will be missing | 15:55 |
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| slaine | never used zypper | 15:55 |
| slaine | Moblin used yum, so I'm basing it on that | 15:55 |
| TheBootroo | at least, does yum have a smaller cache disk consumption ? cause maemo extra + devel + testing = 60 MB cache file !! | 15:56 |
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| slaine | won't be the same repo | 15:56 |
| suihkulokki | iirc maemo extras repos cache is so big since it's poorly organized | 15:57 |
| TheBootroo | and will DuiHome be compilable on Meego 1.0 ? cause i tried to compile it on my Ubuntu but it failed ...; | 15:58 |
| suihkulokki | ie. the old versions stick in the package database indefinetly | 15:58 |
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| slaine | TheBootroo: You'll find out this and much more, when meego 1.0 is actually released | 15:59 |
| slaine | we're still in the dark to a lot of the basics | 16:00 |
| TheBootroo | i can't wait :-| | 16:00 |
| TheBootroo | i'm a big Nokia/Qt/Maemo/Meego/Linux/N900 fan !!! | 16:01 |
| * thiago OTA-upgraded his N900 last week | 16:01 | |
| thiago | I had to figure out that I needed to free up some disk space though | 16:01 |
| slaine | my enthusiasm has waned somewhat with the info/public-progress drought. Though I'm sure I'll get excited once it's out. | 16:01 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm sure theres material for a couple of blog posts about this process and lessons learned when things are better | 16:05 |
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| * Stskeeps can see a lot of things done right but is a bit bugged when things could be a lot better without big effort : | 16:08 | |
| Stskeeps | :) | 16:08 |
| TheBootroo | why is there nothing in the Handheld UX part of the meego gitorious repos ? | 16:09 |
| TheBootroo | will the 1.0 release have no UX ? | 16:09 |
| thiago | it will | 16:09 |
| thiago | but not for handheld, I think | 16:09 |
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| Stskeeps | so for now, i hope the best on the tendancies i see | 16:09 |
| TheBootroo | have one ? ok but not the moblin netbook one i hope ? | 16:10 |
| * TheBootroo doesnt see files in Netbook UX nor | 16:10 | |
| Stskeeps | thiago: no ux for handset? .. | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | are they trying to kill this project? | 16:11 |
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| TheBootroo | qt messaging and qcontact are working in meego ? | 16:19 |
| pinchartl | does anyone know if the May Meego release for the N900 is supposed to include support for the camera ? | 16:20 |
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| Stskeeps | pinchartl: what kind of support would you like? | 16:20 |
| pinchartl | Stskeeps: the ability to use the camera from userspace applications | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | pinchartl: ie, v4lv2? | 16:20 |
| TheBootroo | it would be a fully integrated release, according to this : http://www.nokian900applications.com/dual-boot-with-meego-and-maemo-5-in-nokia-n900/ | 16:20 |
| pinchartl | Stskeeps: yes, with auto white balance, auto exposure, ... | 16:21 |
| pinchartl | TheBootroo: I've read that, but the camera isn't mentioned. it could be included in the "..." thoguh | 16:21 |
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| pinchartl | s/thoguh/though/ | 16:21 |
| infobot | pinchartl meant: TheBootroo: I've read that, but the camera isn't mentioned. it could be included in the "..." though | 16:21 |
| pinchartl | nice bot :-) | 16:21 |
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| TheBootroo | yes really nice bot O.o | 16:23 |
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| pinchartl | would be better if he could answer my question ;-) | 16:24 |
| TheBootroo | :D | 16:25 |
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| TheBootroo | mine too | 16:25 |
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| pinchartl | is anyone here part of one of the adaptation teams working on the meego on n900 project ? | 16:26 |
| Stskeeps | pinchartl: not sure, but the idea is full hw support over time i guess | 16:26 |
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| pupnik | ty for the link TheBootroo | 16:27 |
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| TheBootroo | ur welcome ;-) | 16:29 |
| TheBootroo | i hardly foudn orginal version cause french google translation is really bad, and i really prefer english one even if i'm french ;-) | 16:29 |
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| TheBootroo | will meego be a good gaming platform, with Qt3D support and OpenGL acceleration ? | 16:35 |
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| TheBootroo | i mean, are we goign to get many beautiful full 3D games like 'Asphalt' or 'GTA' on iPhone ? | 16:38 |
| TheBootroo | s/goign/going | 16:39 |
| PolarFox | TheBootroo: You really haven't seen Maemo 3D stuff? ;) | 16:39 |
| PolarFox | I don't think that Meego is going to be a downgrade from Maemo.. | 16:39 |
| TheBootroo | yes i saw but excepted Bounce and TuxRacer, there are no 3D games | 16:39 |
| TheBootroo | and no 'Need for speed' or 'Asphalt' .... | 16:40 |
| Termana | TheBootroo, EA Games and Gameloft have said they support MeeGo | 16:40 |
| TheBootroo | source ? | 16:40 |
| slaine | linux foundation | 16:40 |
| PolarFox | TheBootroo: How do you define 3D game then, if Bounce Evolution isn't one.. :) | 16:40 |
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| X-Fade | TheBootroo: With PR1.2 on Maemo, OVI finally seem to have fixed their payment issue and more games will be available. | 16:40 |
| Termana | TheBootroo, eh, hold on a tic if you really need a link | 16:40 |
| X-Fade | Looking forward to the 3d rollercoaster one. | 16:41 |
| PolarFox | TheBootroo: http://linux-foundation.org/weblogs/press/2010/04/12/public-support-for-the-meego-project/ | 16:41 |
| TheBootroo | bounce is almost the only real 3D game for maemo5 ... | 16:41 |
| Termana | PolarFox, thanks for finding the link, so I didn't have to :P | 16:41 |
| Termana | TheBootroo, PolarFox's link ^^ | 16:41 |
| slaine | I was just about to paste it, damn he's fast | 16:42 |
| TheBootroo | thx 4 the link | 16:42 |
| PolarFox | Yeah, because there has been a shortage in payment system for maemo5.. They don't make those games for free you know ;) | 16:42 |
| PolarFox | slaine: I have a black belt in Google search. | 16:42 |
| PolarFox | slaine: and 3 monitors to work with.. | 16:42 |
| slaine | Wow, you can actually google for information like that ? | 16:42 |
| slaine | Who know | 16:43 |
| slaine | ;) | 16:43 |
| slaine | s/know/knew | 16:43 |
| TheBootroo | lmgtfy.com :D lol | 16:43 |
| PolarFox | slaine: People usually expect links in irc, no one likes to googling. Except me | 16:43 |
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| slaine | irc is a direct search of peoples brains. | 16:44 |
| slaine | most of them are off line though :P | 16:44 |
| jusliukk | there is still the optical link which introduces latency | 16:44 |
| PolarFox | TheBootroo: Oh, I can run Quake3 engine on my N900. How is that for a 3D game for you? :) | 16:45 |
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| TheBootroo | yes | 16:45 |
| TheBootroo | but what i mean is that there is too few 3D games | 16:45 |
| pupnik | tuxracer is 3d | 16:45 |
| TheBootroo | no not at all, but too few | 16:46 |
| TheBootroo | ;-) | 16:46 |
| PolarFox | TheBootroo: But you asked if MeeGo is going to be a good platform for games.. :) | 16:46 |
| TheBootroo | pupnik: tuwracer is good but too few maps, | 16:46 |
| pupnik | that is kind of a meaningless statement | 16:47 |
| pupnik | "too few" | 16:47 |
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| slaine | Most meego hardware won't be an ideal 3d platform anyways | 16:47 |
| TheBootroo | 5 maybe 6 maps is 'few' for me ;-) | 16:47 |
| slaine | my 945GME isn't exactly a screamer with 3D performance | 16:47 |
| slaine | it's good enough for compositing effects on a desktop though | 16:47 |
| slaine | (actually, I think it plays tuxracer just fine, but why would I want to play that on a netbook) | 16:48 |
| TheBootroo | slaine: i'm mainly speaking about Meego For N900 | 16:48 |
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| pupnik | also a 3" screen doesn't work with many game types, imo. the fps games are particularly unsatisfying. | 16:48 |
| slaine | TheBootroo: well, meego will run on a myriad devices, so your questions is even more diluted then. | 16:48 |
| Termana | And then theres a new problem with MeeGo that I've seen no one talk about | 16:48 |
| slaine | Termana: which is ? | 16:49 |
| TheBootroo | ? | 16:49 |
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| Termana | AFAIK, Intel is going to have their little App Store type thing for x86, and Nokia will have the Ovi Store, but will other ARM based manufactures get the Ovi Store to? Otherwise, watch out you may be in for App Store fragmentation | 16:49 |
| slaine | He can't talk about it | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | Termana: their headache | 16:50 |
| slaine | Termana: the whole point of their design of the app store is that it's fragmented | 16:50 |
| Termana | Stskeeps, Their headache will become end user problems | 16:50 |
| slaine | however, it's my understanding that Intel will provide support for setting up a vendor app store (hosted ???) | 16:51 |
| TheBootroo | mine too | 16:51 |
| slaine | Termana: thats the price of freedom to a certain degree | 16:51 |
| Zeikko | Get rid of the OS fragmention and introduce store fragmentation | 16:51 |
| Termana | slaine, I don't think you understand what I mean by fragmentation. I mean the Ovi Store will only have a certain app in it, another manufactures app store will only have some certain app in it, no one will be able to access each others app stores that have certain apps in them | 16:52 |
| slaine | Yes, that's what I understood | 16:52 |
| TheBootroo | just add repos no ? | 16:52 |
| slaine | I'm sure Nokia wouldn't want LG phones having access to the Ovi store | 16:52 |
| TheBootroo | they will all be supported and compliants no ? | 16:52 |
| Termana | TheBootroo, not if the app store is not setup like a traditional repo - which it wouldn't be. | 16:53 |
| Termana | AFAIK - the current Ovi Store has you just download a .deb file | 16:53 |
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| TheBootroo | and will meego have traditionnal repos or just fuckin stores ? | 16:53 |
| slaine | both | 16:53 |
| TigerTael | ;I | 16:53 |
| Termana | TheBootroo, I'm sure there will be traditional repos, but then we have this added layer of app stores | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: still think there might be a benefit of licensing out your app store | 16:54 |
| bfree | and then there is also the question of where the drm will fit in :-/ | 16:54 |
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| Termana | With Android, theres the Android Marketplace and everything else is pretty insignificant - but with MeeGo it may become that every app store is significant, and you don't get access to every app developed for the platform | 16:55 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: yes, which is what I think Intel are intending on doing | 16:55 |
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| slaine | I can picture vendor specific app stores being quite significant. | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | well, as long as they dont block other app stores on their devices | 16:56 |
| slaine | i.e. when I buy my Dell Mini 10 with meego installed and it has access to the Dell App Store | 16:56 |
| Termana | slaine, Lets be real here - Intel (quite frankly) does things for Intel. Which is fine, thats how a business is suppose to be run. Intel will only probably do a store for x86 | 16:56 |
| slaine | Nod, but there's a whole bunch of OEM's in that space that can and will sell MeeGo preloaded on devices | 16:57 |
| slaine | a hell of a lot more than in the arm space | 16:57 |
| Termana | slaine, So you think its good that Dell have its own app store and people just develop for that app store, and then other manufactures and end users are unable to use those apps? | 16:57 |
| slaine | I never said it was good or bad | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | Termana: typically they would develop towards platform, not app store | 16:58 |
| slaine | I said that's likely who things will end up, with Vendor app stores being significant | 16:58 |
| slaine | And the chances are that they'll just be a thin wrapper around the intel app store | 16:58 |
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| Termana | Stskeeps, right, of course you develop for the platform, but whats the chance that developers are going to want to submit their apps to EVERY store that might be made. Vendor X, Y, Z and 10 other manufacture stores accounted for | 16:59 |
| jacquesdupontd | hi guys | 16:59 |
| Termana | jacquesdupontd, hello | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | Termana: increase income, sounds nice | 16:59 |
| PolarFox | I'll bet that if Intel let's things fragment that much.. there will be services that will let developer do just that... for a fee ;) | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | same sw, publish many | 17:00 |
| jacquesdupontd | sorry to disturb you but i'm sadly searching a good shop to find a multi touch capacitive screen for the tablet i'm building | 17:00 |
| jacquesdupontd | and it seems there's no | 17:00 |
| Termana | Stskeeps, even if that is the case - doesn't it seem like a waste of time. Shouldn't a centralised app store (maybe ran by the Linux Foundation?) be made? | 17:01 |
| jacquesdupontd | i'm only website proposing me directly tablet already made but i'm making my own | 17:01 |
| TheBootroo | capacitive is the wrong way, sensitive is better : you can use a pen if you want, finger(s) if you want and far more precise .... | 17:01 |
| jacquesdupontd | sensitive then | 17:01 |
| jacquesdupontd | i was going to check what's the best but first i have to find a shop showing some hehe :) | 17:01 |
| Termana | jacquesdupontd, if your looking for a 7 inch touchscreen, maybe look at what people were doing with turning the EEE PCs screen into touchscreens? | 17:02 |
| jacquesdupontd | nope i already have that | 17:02 |
| jacquesdupontd | that's only panel kit | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | Termana: i like many app stores over one dictatorial app store. let users decide | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | / consumers | 17:02 |
| jacquesdupontd | that transform your screen to touch screen then | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | (ie, meegopornapps.com will be a major app store) | 17:02 |
| jacquesdupontd | i already got one, that's a cool product but really far from being as good as a professional device like the one i wanna build | 17:03 |
| jacquesdupontd | and it's not multitouchable | 17:03 |
| Termana | Stskeeps, But how are consumers going to be able to choose anything if they get locked into one store that MAY NOT (reread: MAY NOT) have all the apps that all the other stores have | 17:03 |
| jacquesdupontd | i guess apple is buying already multitouchable screen, they are not buying little screen and then put a surface to make it toucable am i right ? | 17:03 |
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| Termana | If we were to centralise the process as well as do app approval, there could even be a community team to do that | 17:04 |
| slaine | like I said, I'd imagine that the vendor app store is a wrapper around a global intel one | 17:05 |
| jacquesdupontd | but i already got all the idea and things for my tablet to be built and i think it's gonna be interesting first for me and i think it could also be for other but i just need the screen now and i wanna have the best as possible | 17:05 |
| slaine | target the intel if you're an app developer | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | Termana: i dont know how business models will like | 17:05 |
| TheBootroo | jacquesdupontd: try to buy an N900 replacement screen ... (and are you french ?) | 17:06 |
| slaine | OEM's will provide apps for their own partners, dvd players for example | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | look | 17:06 |
| jacquesdupontd | ive already built my own debian modified distrib that is either using a finger touchable interface composite made and another for when you come back home that changes automaticly and receive keyboard and mouse bluetooth signal, i hope you get me | 17:06 |
| jacquesdupontd | yes i am | 17:06 |
| Termana | Stskeeps, right I don't expect you to, I'm not shooting anyone here, I'm just discussing | 17:06 |
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| pupnik | http://www.google.com/products?q=7"+touchscreen+lcd jacquesdupontd | 17:07 |
| TheBootroo | jacquesdupontd: why don't you speak in private mode with me in FR ? | 17:07 |
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| jacquesdupontd | hm if i wanna sell a product i'm not always going to buy another screen product (i thought about it) and then build the stuff, i'm sure i can directly get a screen from the constructor + my tablet is a tablet that gonna be fast evoluating open sources and bigger than an N900 like 10 to 13 inch i think | 17:07 |
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| TheBootroo | an ipad ? :-( | 17:08 |
| jacquesdupontd | the thing is that everybody's gonna make the same stupid thing like for the netbook revolution, it will be all same products for all to be the cheapeast but then you need , a tablet, a personnal computer, a netbook, a professional computer, i would like to reduce all that device in building a really fast nvidia ion plateform tablet that would be more expensive than the ipad but far better | 17:09 |
| TheBootroo | ok | 17:09 |
| pupnik | lenovo x200t is a good tablet | 17:09 |
| pupnik | anyone here working on alsa drivers for .33 meego kernel (n900?) | 17:10 |
| TheBootroo | so a 7" fullHD touch screen with ion+3ghz dual core ARM would be fine | 17:10 |
| TheBootroo | and obvioulsy 128go of ssd ;-) | 17:10 |
| TheBootroo | and 2gb ram | 17:11 |
| PolarFox | And still it wouldn't do all the stuff it needs to do.. Like have a battery life of more than 10 minutes.. :) | 17:11 |
| TheBootroo | true | 17:11 |
| TheBootroo | :D | 17:11 |
| TheBootroo | jacquesdupontd: will you be shipping this tablet ? | 17:12 |
| jacquesdupontd | why not | 17:12 |
| jacquesdupontd | sorry didn't see your private | 17:12 |
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| jedix | isn't there an x201t now? | 17:55 |
| pupnik | delivery in like 3 weeks in germany, 1700+ euro. core i7... mmmmm | 17:59 |
| pupnik | i really hope we get decent meego devices that can fit in a coat pocket | 18:01 |
| pupnik | or a ladies' purse | 18:01 |
| TheBootroo | :D | 18:01 |
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| TheBootroo | bye all | 18:04 |
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| * pupnik wants something like the "Fujitsu-Siemens Lifebook P1610 Ultra-Portable Tablet PC" at 1/3 the price | 18:09 | |
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| pupnik | Or the Lifebook U2010.... | 18:17 |
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| slaine | can't wait to update moblin 2.1 on my netbook | 18:43 |
| slaine | sigh | 18:43 |
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| jedix | how can I sign up for a login to build.meego.com? | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | only open to team members / those who need it | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | there's a community obs in the works as well | 21:17 |
| jedix | what's the eta on that? | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | meego-dev mailing list had details | 21:17 |
| jedix | I've been trying to setup my own obs for the time being but it's kinda difficult to get setup | 21:17 |
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| Stskeeps | but basically i think the build.meego.com 'resource' is for the people who are included in the various project teams, which makes sense | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | so when you gain membership status/committer status, you gain access | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | and then a community obs for playground / etc | 21:19 |
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| Stskeeps | or staging area for talents, depending on perspective :) | 21:19 |
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| jedix | I'm trying to get my obs setup to build for an omap4 | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | armv5/armv7 should work fine though | 21:21 |
| Stskeeps | i hope there'll be instructions how to set up your own meego obs eventually | 21:21 |
| jedix | yeah | 21:22 |
| jedix | me too | 21:22 |
| jedix | I don't really understand obs | 21:22 |
| jedix | specifically how to create/use your own repo | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | ah, that part is easy :) | 21:22 |
| jedix | really? | 21:22 |
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| Stskeeps | go make an account on build.opensuse.org and play around | 21:22 |
| jedix | well, I was trying to do it locally | 21:22 |
| jedix | I have a build vm running | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but getting a feel for it first is a good thing | 21:23 |
| jedix | I think I have a grasp of what it's supposed to do | 21:23 |
| jedix | but all the instructions are for creating one package that pulls stuff from a pre-defined repo | 21:23 |
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| jedix | I want to mirror the srpms from meego and get them all to be built into a repo and then create a distro | 21:24 |
| timeless | stskeeps: did i mention that you build didn't work for me? | 21:24 |
| timeless | somethinh about libc and the kernel being too old | 21:24 |
| timeless | s/nh/ng/ | 21:25 |
| infobot | timeless meant: something about libc and the kernel being too old | 21:25 |
| jedix | I have my project osc checked out, and added all the source rpm's..but apparently that's wrong | 21:25 |
| * timeless loves ... linux | 21:25 | |
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| timeless | especially gnu linux | 21:25 |
| jedix | as apposed to? | 21:25 |
| pupnik | http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/01/12/sony-vaio-p-doesnt-quite-fit-gets-ridiculed-by-japanese-geeks/ | 21:26 |
| timeless | jedix: any platform that actually works | 21:26 |
| RST38h | expected... | 21:26 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless: yes, even a ubuntu rootfs might do that :P | 21:27 |
| timeless | especially with a toolchain where you can build apps and have them run .. elsewhere | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | jedix: there's a importsrcpkg thing in osc | 21:27 |
| RST38h | BTW... | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | jedix: so you want to build it all optimized for omap4? | 21:27 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Willing to help with an unusual problem? | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: is it something your doctor would normally advise about? | 21:28 |
| jedix | Stskeeps: to start, probably just for armv7a | 21:28 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Almost inclined to agree... | 21:28 |
| jedix | or armv7 | 21:28 |
| timeless | stskeeps: my guess is i'd need someone to set up an older toolchain plus older kernel headers | 21:28 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: Anyway, as you remember, the SDK dependency on the PR1.2 libs has been fixed by addig Squeeze tools to the Scratchbox | 21:29 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: and the symbols database | 21:29 |
| Stskeeps | jedix: 1.0 will be built for armv7 as well | 21:29 |
| Stskeeps | jedix: so i wouldn't do the effort :P | 21:29 |
| jedix | Stskeeps: yeah, I just want to get a proof of concept that the build works before trying optomizations | 21:29 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: And now the problem: there is no Squeeze tools distribution for the SB2 | 21:29 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Is there any way I can persuade SB1 Squeeze to install on SB2? | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: no idea, gave up on sb2 when it died for me :/ | 21:30 |
| RST38h | eh | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | you can possible use a real squeeze rootfs as tools | 21:30 |
| RST38h | I would rather use host tools | 21:31 |
| RST38h | But have no idea how to do that | 21:31 |
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| Stskeeps | jedix: right - i would wait a bit for 1.0 (or whatever it's called) and do your experiment there | 21:31 |
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| Stskeeps | it would probably make your life a lot easier if there's no deadline for it | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:32 |
| jedix | yeah | 21:32 |
| jedix | sadly I don't think I can just wait | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | see if you can set up a simple obs with a remote link to a build.opensuse.org project, and go from there i guess | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | or see if you can catch some of the builder guys around :) | 21:36 |
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| jedix | thanks for the help Stskeeps | 21:37 |
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| Stskeeps | or start a conversation on meego-dev as your scenario probably won't be a unique one | 21:37 |
| Stskeeps | good luck :) | 21:38 |
| * Stskeeps heads off | 21:38 | |
| pupnik | cu Stskeeps | 21:38 |
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| TSCHAKeee | http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=171014&id=716957114&l=4e3c848e48 <-- frying my evil southern fried chicken :) | 21:42 |
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| anotnac | #meego-meeting | 21:43 |
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| pupnik | If anyone here hasn't created an account at http://meego.com yet, please try now. I am not receiving my password. | 23:13 |
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