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| DawnFoster | interesting http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/28/hp-buys-palm/ | 00:13 |
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| Cosmo | :o | 00:14 |
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| jrayhawk | This means we need to trick bdale into porting Debian to the Pre. | 00:28 |
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| Cosmo | there's a magical way measure how much memory is used by a program? | 00:48 |
| thiago_home | no | 00:48 |
| thiago_home | modern VM systems are far too complex | 00:48 |
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| thiago_home | there isn't a number of "how much memory" a program uses | 00:49 |
| Cosmo | VM? | 00:49 |
| Cosmo | I was talking about a program I just compiled | 00:49 |
| thiago_home | Virtual Memory | 00:49 |
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| thiago_home | yes | 00:49 |
| Cosmo | I was thinking virtual machine | 00:49 |
| Cosmo | I'm using top | 00:49 |
| thiago_home | you can measure the total virtual addressable memory | 00:49 |
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| thiago_home | you can measure the resident set size (the amount of RAM used) | 00:50 |
| thiago_home | those both include shared memory, mapped files, etc. | 00:50 |
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| thiago_home | you can measure heap usage, you can measure private (non-shared) memory | 00:50 |
| thiago_home | what do you want? | 00:50 |
| Cosmo | to test that my destructor works and deallocates memory | 00:50 |
| thiago_home | ah | 00:51 |
| thiago_home | then you want valgrind --leak-check=full | 00:51 |
| Cosmo | thank you | 00:51 |
| thiago_home | you don't want to measure memory, you want to check for leaks :-) | 00:51 |
| Cosmo | I knew it began with a V | 00:51 |
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| Cosmo | don't I have to compile it with a special flag? | 00:53 |
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| thiago_home | no | 00:54 |
| Cosmo | thank you | 00:55 |
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| Cosmo | erm | 00:58 |
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| Cosmo | maybe i shouldn't test it on my server | 00:58 |
| Cosmo | if it leaks it wills up the RAM | 00:58 |
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| Cosmo | take up* | 00:58 |
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| Cosmo | and then the system will come to a hault | 00:58 |
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| jrayhawk | The OOM killer will take care of it at that point. | 00:59 |
| thiago_home | the OOM killer will do something | 00:59 |
| Cosmo | ? | 00:59 |
| thiago_home | you can also limit the amount of addressable memory. See man ulimit. | 00:59 |
| jrayhawk | http://linux-mm.org/OOM_Killer | 00:59 |
| Cosmo | damn | 01:00 |
| Cosmo | just throught, I have a constructor in a sub class | 01:00 |
| Cosmo | but it';s not ran in the super class | 01:00 |
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| thiago_home | constructors are run from least derived to most derived | 01:01 |
| thiago_home | depth-first, pre-order graph walking | 01:01 |
| Cosmo | *destructor | 01:01 |
| thiago_home | destructors are run in the inverse order | 01:01 |
| Cosmo | ==8385== LEAK SUMMARY: | 01:01 |
| Cosmo | ==8385== definitely lost: 28 bytes in 1 blocks. | 01:01 |
| Cosmo | ==8385== indirectly lost: 621 bytes in 22 blocks. | 01:01 |
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| thiago_home | valgrind should have told you where those 28 bytes were allocated | 01:02 |
| thiago_home | it doesn't tell you where they were leaked, though | 01:02 |
| Cosmo | I think it was at the end | 01:03 |
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| Cosmo | damn, where is my metal class map | 01:04 |
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| Cosmo | so memory leakage is bad, but the OS will deal with it instead of crashing? | 01:07 |
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| thiago_home | well, depends | 01:08 |
| thiago_home | a leakage can be something that causes a long-running program to balloon in size | 01:08 |
| lcuk | Cosmo, whats the operating system to do with leaky memory from your own app? can't you tidy up after yourself? how would it know difference between leaky code and high use? | 01:08 |
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| thiago_home | you will have adverse effects, because it will cause swapping | 01:08 |
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| Cosmo | lcuk: I'm dealing with it] | 01:09 |
| thiago_home | not all leaks are like that | 01:09 |
| thiago_home | there are leaks that only leaked because the app exited. They aren't real leaks. | 01:09 |
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| Cosmo | okay I have fake leaks | 01:09 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 01:36 |
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| Cosmo | say I have: exitClass *temp = nextExit | 01:43 |
| Cosmo | is there a way i could delete that variable and then return temp witrh another class | 01:44 |
| Cosmo | so redefine it as nonplayingClass *temp = firstPerson; | 01:44 |
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| Cosmo | is there a valgrind for windows? | 01:57 |
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| Jartza | what's up? | 03:13 |
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| Cosmo | I only lose 14 blocks of memory now, not 22 | 03:34 |
| Cosmo | so my new code worek | 03:34 |
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| Cosmo | ==8663== Address 0x427d7c0 is 24 bytes inside a block of size 28 free'd | 03:43 |
| Cosmo | how bad is this? | 03:44 |
| b-man17 | what is that from? | 03:44 |
| Cosmo | valgruad | 03:44 |
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| Cosmo | *valgrind | 03:45 |
| b-man17 | ah | 03:46 |
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| b-man17 | hmm | 03:47 |
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| Cosmo | I'm pleased that I don't have a memory leak tho | 03:47 |
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| Cosmo | week 11 of 12 we get told that our programs will almost certainly have a memory leak | 03:55 |
| Cosmo | so the longer we work on them the more RAM it will eat | 03:56 |
| Cosmo | however my program leaks abnout 650 bytes per go | 03:56 |
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| Cosmo | cyas | 04:00 |
| Cosmo | b-man17: nothing's on fire so I can figure it out another day :) | 04:00 |
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| Jartza | Cosmo: you are freeing the same block twice? | 04:01 |
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| III | morning Stskeeps | 05:48 |
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| dl9pf | moin | 06:18 |
| Stskeeps | moin | 06:18 |
| Stskeeps | dl9pf: WAHa_06x36 is working on meego beagle too. check irc logs of this channel, he had some solutions | 06:19 |
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| slaine | !tumbleweed | 13:36 |
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| Anss| | ~curse Voldemort | 13:40 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, Voldemort ! | 13:40 |
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| Termana | Anyone know what happened to the 28/4 TSG meeting log? Its not where it normally is (http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2010/) | 13:45 |
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| shankly | hey folks, is there a working image to test meego? | 13:47 |
| shankly | the one on the site has no working desktop environment | 13:48 |
| Surfa | first release doesn't have desktop environment | 13:49 |
| Surfa | it's working, but only on the command line | 13:49 |
| tekojo | Termana the meeting was cancelled last minute | 13:49 |
| tekojo | both Imad and Valtteri could not make it to a connected location | 13:50 |
| shankly | and when we will see it with the de? also a not full working release | 13:50 |
| shankly | a pre-alpha, a pre-pre-alpha, a neither alpha | 13:52 |
| Surfa | sometimes it's sad that people consider anything without graphical ui as non functional | 13:52 |
| Surfa | it's not that long ago when there was no such thing in most environments.. | 13:52 |
| shankly | i'm not considering it non functional, but i'd like to see what it will | 13:53 |
| Termana | tekojo, ahh ok fair enough. So it hasn't been rescheduled I assume, we are just to wait for next weeks one? | 13:53 |
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| Termana | Lucky I didn't go getting myself back up at 4 in the morning for it then :P | 13:54 |
| shankly | *be | 13:54 |
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| shankly | and it's a non sense, to test it on my netbook just to see a shell | 13:55 |
| shankly | if i want only a shell, i use debian | 13:55 |
| tekojo | Termana: it's the next weeks one directly | 13:55 |
| Surfa | shankly, and debian and plain shell are linked to each other how? :) | 13:56 |
| timeless_mbp | tekdo you remember who had dns control for meego.com? | 13:56 |
| shankly | are not linked, but what I want to say, is that I would like to test meego with the de, and that without de i've nothing to do | 13:57 |
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| shankly | my question, know, is just regarding schedule | 13:58 |
| timeless_mbp | mxr.moego.org is what it would look like fwiw | 13:58 |
| shankly | is there a date to release an alpha with meego and it's de? | 13:59 |
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| tekojo | timless_mbp can't remember, but can ask and get back to you | 14:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | thanks | 14:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | i suppose we could stick mxr.moego.org into the topic so people could play with it for a while | 14:03 |
| timeless_mbp | fwiw, i'm trying to index the latest meego repo sources | 14:03 |
| timeless_mbp | but my box doesn't have 'xz', and building things is moderately painful | 14:03 |
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| tekojo | timeless_mbp I assume you would want mxr.meego.com to point at it? | 14:05 |
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| dl9pf_ | Stskeeps: tnx for the pointer ! works . (still need to poll watchdog, but it runs) | 14:18 |
| ShadowJK | moe go :) | 14:22 |
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| WAHa_06x36 | well, no luck getting any information about my watchdog troubles yet. | 14:37 |
| WAHa_06x36 | maybe I can chmod it 000 at some point in the bootup to kludge it. | 14:37 |
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| WAHa_06x36 | of course that doesn't work since it doesn't apply to root anyway... sigh. | 14:52 |
| WAHa_06x36 | and even using udev rules to rename /dev/watchdog doesn't help! | 14:52 |
| WAHa_06x36 | this is some PERSISTENT task that wants to mess with my watchdog. | 14:53 |
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| timeless_mbp | tekojo: yes | 15:06 |
| timeless_mbp | (sorry, meetings) | 15:06 |
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| PolarFox | Meetings, the practical alternative to work. | 15:08 |
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| chakie_work | rumour has it that someone has actually been in a meeting that was useful | 15:11 |
| Anss| | really? | 15:13 |
| Anss| | then things must be really bad, if meeting is useful :) | 15:14 |
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| Surfa | well, meetings are useful, if they are used correctly.. | 15:15 |
| timeless_mbp | tekojo: thanks for the email | 15:15 |
| Surfa | with correct people about things that really need meeting | 15:15 |
| villemv | better yet, I guy I know once attended a useful telco | 15:15 |
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| jusliukk | villemv, i bet he was a telco equipment salesperson | 15:16 |
| Surfa | well, it completely depends on what do you do and who are you working with | 15:16 |
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| Surfa | telcos and meetings do have their purpose and are extremely vital for some things | 15:17 |
| Anss| | Surfa, need is the magic word, normally people to tend prefer self organization in this business (imo) | 15:17 |
| Anss| | or hobby | 15:18 |
| villemv | is there any way a telco beats irc, apart from the fact that some people refuse to use irc? | 15:19 |
| Surfa | yes of course.. :) but complex systems are pretty impossible to get up and running if not having meetings.. especially if people are located in china finland and usa for example | 15:19 |
| Surfa | villemv, in every way :) | 15:19 |
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| Surfa | when you write something down, if there is anything that may be understood incorrectly, it will.. and no one will ask anything because you have to write even more | 15:20 |
| Surfa | and if someone asks, then you have 500klines of discussion that is absolutely impossible to follow | 15:21 |
| villemv | as opposed to telco, when you have nothing as a record? ;-) | 15:21 |
| villemv | not to mention problems with foreign accents, ... | 15:22 |
| Surfa | surprisingly there are live meeting solutions for telcos that are used for note taking | 15:22 |
| slaine | I've had a lot of meetings this week | 15:22 |
| villemv | yeah, note taking but not actual records of what people said | 15:22 |
| slaine | most surprisingly productive, for a change | 15:22 |
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| Surfa | villemv, it doesn't matter how people say and what.. outcome is important and that's wy meetings should take place in the first place | 15:23 |
| villemv | and writing down something complex is much easier than speaking it out, to the extent that you won't bother to do it at all | 15:23 |
| villemv | I mean in a spoken setting, you may just choose to neglect to mention something | 15:23 |
| Surfa | i haven't met ever a single person that is able to explain themselves better by writing in irc than talking in telco | 15:23 |
| Surfa | some do think so but when really trying to work with them, that's not quite the case | 15:24 |
| Surfa | you need to call them anyway to clear things up | 15:24 |
| villemv | one-on-one call is a different thing | 15:24 |
| villemv | it's a conversation, not a conference ;-) | 15:25 |
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| Surfa | surprisingly also in the telco you can talk one to one, it doesn't mean that everyone should talk all the time | 15:25 |
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| villemv | yes, but everyone needs to *listen* | 15:25 |
| Surfa | not really, every thing is not in interest of everyone | 15:26 |
| villemv | you are stealing everyones time by talking one-on-one for a long time | 15:26 |
| Surfa | it doesn't make telcos unuseful, it just how you use them | 15:26 |
| Surfa | it's | 15:26 |
| Surfa | some thing need to be continued afterwards, some require more people.. that's the skill | 15:27 |
| Anss| | i don't know how anything technical can really be communicated trough phone lines, it is difficult even in meeting room situation | 15:27 |
| Anss| | *through | 15:28 |
| Surfa | if 10 people are talking in the irc, it's always difficult to follow who's responding to who and what comment is intended to what topic.. so i can't see any case where irc would be better | 15:28 |
| Surfa | Anss|, how do you plan doing that on irc? :) | 15:28 |
| villemv | I dunno, it may be an acquired mindset. i think you can easily follow 4+ conversations on irc if they proceed at moderate pace | 15:29 |
| Anss| | using references to some real information. | 15:29 |
| Surfa | Anss|, sure.. but you can add some graphs and msc's on the live meeting solutions | 15:29 |
| Anss| | www.google.com | 15:29 |
| villemv | you can also scroll back to see what was said | 15:29 |
| villemv | as opposed to telcos where you need to ask what was just said, "I didn't get the question"... | 15:30 |
| villemv | we'd need an objective test for this | 15:30 |
| Surfa | villemv, now we have third person in this discussion and it seems to get a little too complex already as Anss| is talking about something I something else and you have your own interests :) | 15:30 |
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| Anss| | Surfa, does live meeting work on linux? | 15:30 |
| villemv | live meeting VIEWING works on linux | 15:31 |
| Surfa | Anss|, not necessarily live meeting, but similar solutions exist on all platforms | 15:31 |
| villemv | but you can't share your desktop | 15:31 |
| Anss| | i don't have windows, it is not needed for coder. | 15:31 |
| Surfa | i've seen actually solution also for symbian | 15:31 |
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| villemv | telcos are nice for presentation though | 15:32 |
| Surfa | villemv, if talking about ms livemeeting, i think that it's web based and should work pretty much on anything with java? | 15:32 |
| villemv | argh, just noted I missed a telco :-) | 15:32 |
| Surfa | :D | 15:32 |
| Surfa | irc is more interesting | 15:32 |
| villemv | Surfa: yes, you can view a meeting with the java interfage | 15:33 |
| Surfa | villemv, livemeeting viewer i mean | 15:33 |
| villemv | but it can't expose your desktop | 15:33 |
| Surfa | yep, we're on the same page then | 15:33 |
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| Anss| | im not. sorry :) | 15:35 |
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| Anss| | another wasted meeting when i could have cracked few bugs. | 15:35 |
| Surfa | hmm, actually sharing should be possible also with web-interface for ms live meeting | 15:35 |
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| Surfa | ..but not on the linux.. :) | 15:37 |
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| slaine | nice to see you back | 17:44 |
| * Stskeeps yawns | 17:45 | |
| Stskeeps | that was an enjoyable drive | 17:45 |
| slaine | Well, you're still alive, that's a bonus | 17:45 |
| slaine | nice to be home | 17:45 |
| slaine | ? | 17:45 |
| nedrichards | slaine: elo | 17:45 |
| nedrichards | yes, very nice to be back | 17:45 |
| slaine | cool | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | i am wondering what this strange language is people talk here | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:46 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: !polish ;) | 17:46 |
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| bedgen | meego is usefull distr at the moment of not? | 17:49 |
| bedgen | for multimedia docs and web brousing | 17:50 |
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| slaine | bedgen: it's not released yet | 17:52 |
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| bedgen | ohh. and when it will? | 17:52 |
| slaine | Within the next 33 days | 17:53 |
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| PostmanPechk | hi | 18:10 |
| PostmanPechk | is anybody here from Moscow? | 18:11 |
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| Termana | Good morning to the other half of the world that must of just woken up (by the look of all the joins :P) | 19:03 |
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| Termana | I'm rather pleased that I feel like I'm CC'ing some rather more important people than me for once :P | 19:10 |
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| slaine | k | 19:17 |
| slaine | oops | 19:17 |
| slaine | wrong window | 19:17 |
| javispedro | lbt: kernel process arguing? | 19:19 |
| lbt | yes | 19:19 |
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| javispedro | conversation went harsh quickly | 19:20 |
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| Stskeeps | it was a question, turned into a bug report, it just had to end there.. | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | as arjan sanely agreed | 19:21 |
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| Jaffa | Indeed. | 19:26 |
| lbt | kinda don't care... happy to see real, uncensored, life | 19:27 |
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| Termana | I'm not quite sure a bug report would suffice. A bug report would just sweep the subject under the carpet. There seems to be a larger issue than just the Documentation. Arjan still seems to be arguing that Intel control the kernel maintenance, but that the documentation be changed to make it look like Intel are following a process. | 19:31 |
| Termana | Which if Intel controls the kernel solely, no one cares weather they are following process or not. | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | no, he said exactly the right thing | 19:32 |
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| arjan | the kernel document is garbage, I hadn't seen it before.... sorry about that | 19:33 |
| arjan | we need a simple process that is clear and obvious | 19:34 |
| arjan | and in practice we have that | 19:34 |
| Termana | Ah right hes right here :P | 19:34 |
| arjan | just the document does not match the reality | 19:34 |
| arjan | Termana: I'm not arguing that Intel is the sole maintainer. | 19:34 |
| arjan | right now we do most of the work there, but there's nokia guys already as well | 19:34 |
| GAN900 | What a mess. | 19:34 |
| arjan | what I don't understand is the objection to intel having maintainerships in meego | 19:34 |
| arjan | because that's what the tone turned into | 19:35 |
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| Termana | Arjan - No, I don't believe the tone has turned into Intel having the maintainership, but more that Intel has FULL maintainership. | 19:35 |
| lbt | arjan: I didn't take that impression from the mails | 19:35 |
| TSCHAKeee | neither did i | 19:35 |
| GAN900 | Nor I | 19:36 |
| * TSCHAKeee has been following as well | 19:36 | |
| TSCHAKeee | it really just seems like a slight comms snafu | 19:36 |
| TSCHAKeee | if anything | 19:36 |
| lbt | *nod* | 19:36 |
| TSCHAKeee | we've got some aggregate confusion. | 19:36 |
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| lbt | and lots of people saying "mea culpa" and rushing to fix it... apart from Greg who's confused ;) | 19:37 |
| TSCHAKeee | quim is right, nothing like this has ever been tried | 19:37 |
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| lbt | but he's allowed. | 19:37 |
| TSCHAKeee | hahahahahahaha | 19:37 |
| lbt | arjan: anyhow... when you have a minute... I wanted to ask about kiwi vs mic2 | 19:37 |
| TSCHAKeee | kiwi ? | 19:37 |
| Termana | Which is good in its own way (aggregated confusion). It means that good discussion is happening (?) | 19:37 |
| lbt | TSCHAKeee: stay tuned... | 19:37 |
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| arjan | lbt: we looked at kiwi way back, but it didn't do what we wanted | 19:38 |
| arjan | lbt: do you have issues with mic2 ? | 19:38 |
| lbt | arjan: no | 19:38 |
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| lbt | I mainly have issues with developing an imaging system that's not as integrated into the build system as it could be | 19:39 |
| arjan | there is a whole bunch of integration on the back end | 19:39 |
| lbt | I know kiwi is no good today | 19:39 |
| arjan | I know that we (almost) have the capability to regenerate images on each build complete etc | 19:39 |
| lbt | and I'm writing a version of build that wraps mic2 | 19:39 |
| lbt | so right now I'm integrating mic2 into the OBS | 19:40 |
| lbt | but... | 19:40 |
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| lbt | the question is .... do we aim to move towards kiwi and focus our efforts there | 19:40 |
| lbt | with the suse/obs developers | 19:40 |
| lbt | or do we maintain mic2 and meego maintains the mic2/obs integration | 19:41 |
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| arjan | I don't think we have that plan; mic2 is there to stay | 19:41 |
| lbt | it feels like we should use kiwi on the "use upstream tools" argument | 19:41 |
| lbt | this is gentle exploration BTW | 19:42 |
| lbt | I know the kiwi devs would like to help us | 19:42 |
| lbt | so it's worth raising the issue for discussion | 19:42 |
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| Termana | arjan, I don't mean to have offended you at all if you believe I had that intention from my posts to the mailing list and if I have in any way, I am sorry. (re: Intel's maintainership of the MeeGo kernel) | 19:44 |
| lbt | arjan: so Nokia should be investing time+resource into mic2 based imaging and meego (not opensuse/OBS) will be maintaining the integration into OBS | 19:45 |
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| slaine | commute time, catch you all later | 19:51 |
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| Termana | 2:30am here for me. Good night guys | 19:59 |
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| arjan | lbtL yum | 20:03 |
| arjan | yup | 20:03 |
| lbt | arjan: fine... I'll get to it ;) | 20:03 |
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| lbt | arjan: I've already spoken to adrianS and he's confirmed the approach; FYI in case anyone else is working on this. | 20:05 |
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| Stskeeps | channel is logged | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:31 |
| CosmoHill | figuratively speaking | 20:32 |
| CosmoHill | <.< | 20:32 |
| CosmoHill | >.> | 20:32 |
| javispedro | too late, police is coming to scene | 20:32 |
| CosmoHill | he did press all the wrong buttons | 20:32 |
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| polac | Hi! Does anyone know when there will be release with somekind of UX? | 21:03 |
| CosmoHill | may i think | 21:04 |
| polac | great! | 21:04 |
| vgrade | Cosmo, you should not have to think about it,its the most asked question atm | 21:06 |
| polac | CosmoHill, Can one read about it somewhere? | 21:06 |
| CosmoHill | try milestones or the TSG logs | 21:07 |
| GAN900 | Bleh, wish the Summit location selection had been brought out in the open a little sooner | 21:07 |
| GAN900 | Open--but not! | 21:07 |
| CosmoHill | GAN900: like saying I'm allowed to pick any 6 modules I want and then giving me a choice of 6? | 21:07 |
| polac | CosmoHill, thx! I will go and digg deeper. | 21:08 |
| CosmoHill | curse you digg.com | 21:09 |
| CosmoHill | anyone in here good with object orientated design, C++ and willing to be kidnapped? | 21:10 |
| crysaz | :D | 21:10 |
| thiago_home | location selection? | 21:11 |
| thiago_home | this is not about vote, but about $$ | 21:11 |
| thiago_home | or €€ for that matter | 21:11 |
| thiago_home | CosmoHill: there's always #c++, but I can lend a hand. | 21:11 |
| GAN900 | thiago_home, we didn't have any issue picking Maemo Summit locations. | 21:12 |
| GAN900 | Dunno why the process needed to be behind closed doors for MeeGo. | 21:12 |
| thiago_home | I think I saw this morning even price quotes in the wiki | 21:13 |
| thiago_home | I think that's open | 21:13 |
| GAN900 | After the fact | 21:13 |
| thiago_home | yeah | 21:13 |
| thiago_home | negotiations usually are closed | 21:13 |
| GAN900 | Once a location was basically selected and turned out to be subpar | 21:13 |
| GAN900 | Well, duh | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | wasn't it tenative? | 21:13 |
| GAN900 | So we got about a week to try to find another. | 21:14 |
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| thiago_home | so do you want to help? | 21:14 |
| CosmoHill | my lecturer said that my design wasn't properly object orientated to which i reacted badly | 21:14 |
| GAN900 | Too late now | 21:14 |
| javispedro | CosmoHill: You killed it? | 21:14 |
| GAN900 | Looks like Amsterdam is likely to be the location. | 21:15 |
| polac | CosmoHill, Is your "design" in some public repo? | 21:15 |
| CosmoHill | i said something like "f**k you I'm finishing the interface and then that's it" | 21:15 |
| thiago_home | do you have better suggestions? | 21:15 |
| thiago_home | there's still time | 21:15 |
| GAN900 | To get a quote from a venue and deliver all of the needed info by tomorrow? | 21:16 |
| GAN900 | Not likely | 21:16 |
| CosmoHill | polac: erm one moment, my dns needs updating | 21:16 |
| thiago_home | do you know potential venues? | 21:16 |
| GAN900 | See the thread on the forums under Community. | 21:16 |
| thiago_home | places you'd call? | 21:16 |
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| * thiago_home thinks that there should be an organising committee | 21:17 | |
| GAN900 | Is | 21:18 |
| GAN900 | All @intel or @nokia, unfortunately. | 21:18 |
| javispedro | heh, huelva. | 21:18 |
| thiago_home | I don't think it's a problem that negotiations happen behind closed doors. I also don't think it's a problem that discarded locations don't even get mentioned. | 21:19 |
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| thiago_home | the places probably would prefer that way, rather than a stamp on "you're bad" | 21:20 |
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| CosmoHill | polac: http://62.56.57.201/uni-web/c++/ | 21:20 |
| thiago_home | however, participation in the committee should be open to the community | 21:20 |
| CosmoHill | the username and password are "ag" | 21:20 |
| CosmoHill | ignore the ._ files, I have no idea why my mac makes them | 21:21 |
| polac | CosmoHill, let's see, allthough I'm not pro in these things. | 21:22 |
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| CosmoHill | polac: I've been doing c++ for 11 weeks now so.... :p | 21:22 |
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| CosmoHill | what my lecturer doesn't like is that mapclass interacts with player class in the way that is does | 21:23 |
| VDVsx | Amsterdam again ? :( I want to know new cities :D | 21:23 |
| thiago_home | CosmoHill: when your professor tells you that it's not OO design, he probably means there's not enough abstraction | 21:23 |
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| VDVsx | GAN900, have the link to that thread by hand ? :) | 21:24 |
| thiago_home | also remember that a class's job is to protect the invariant. So avoid making assumptions of how one class behaves in another's code. Abstract that away. | 21:24 |
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| CosmoHill | do you think that I should move the functions that deal with the player class from mapclass to main.cpp ? | 21:25 |
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| CosmoHill | cos part of me is just thinking i should finish the interface and not touch the rest of the code | 21:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=88 | 21:28 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, thanks | 21:28 |
| polac | CosmoHill, little interruption. Now I will look at your code. | 21:28 |
| CosmoHill | merci | 21:29 |
| VDVsx | wow, not AMS but huelva, lololol | 21:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | thiago_home, not the part of the process I'm concerned about. | 21:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, read the thread. | 21:29 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: At least there's no sodding Chuck Norris :-/ | 21:29 |
| polac | CosmoHill, btw. it's two years when I last coded c++. But I need to refresh my skill because of Qt & meego. :) | 21:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Perhaps I'm just being irritable since I was involved in the selection for 2009. | 21:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh well. | 21:30 |
| CosmoHill | I plan to go on to Qt in the summer | 21:30 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: That neither qgil nor petermeego seem particularly happy with the venue is... surprising. | 21:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, yeah. | 21:32 |
| Jartza | lot of interest towards Qt lately :) | 21:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, let's blame Intel! ;) | 21:32 |
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| Jartza | which is good, as I'm an instructor, teaching for example Qt Programming :) | 21:32 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Anyone with an @intel.com email address can organise the conference ;-) | 21:33 |
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| GAN900 | lol | 21:36 |
| * VDVsx notices that petermaemo become petermeego, lol | 21:37 | |
| Jaffa | VDVsx: :) | 21:37 |
| CosmoHill | yay, my lecturer isn't angry with me :) | 21:40 |
| CosmoHill | haha | 21:41 |
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| VDVsx | huelva would be nice, but the connections aren't good, Sevilha airport is very small(few flights) and Faro airport in the winter is almost desert :P | 21:42 |
| * CosmoHill puts scotland on the list | 21:42 | |
| * lbt adds Iceland | 21:42 | |
| VDVsx | lol | 21:42 |
| lcuk | we should get the volcano to blow again and choose somewhere within walking distance! | 21:43 |
| lcuk | lol | 21:43 |
| lbt | what could go wrong? | 21:43 |
| VDVsx | lbt, extended vacations on Iceland :D | 21:43 |
| CosmoHill | anything within mainland europe can be accessed if the volcano does blow | 21:43 |
| CosmoHill | i mean you maybe driving for over a day to get there | 21:43 |
| CosmoHill | and your flight might land in the wrong country, but it's possible | 21:44 |
| * lcuk adds extremely vital request to the forum | 21:44 | |
| lcuk | http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=804&postcount=43 | 21:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I say we hold it at VDVsx's new apartment. | 21:53 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, sure, I'm expecting amazing weather here in Nov ;) | 21:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, you provide the cold weather survival gear. :P | 21:55 |
| VDVsx | even better I suggest to host the conference in a park near to my house | 21:55 |
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