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| victor____ | hello, i have a question... can i install meego on my system? | 00:23 |
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| CosmoHill | maybe | 00:27 |
| CosmoHill | vic oh damn he's gone | 00:27 |
| CosmoHill | impaicent sOB | 00:27 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, perhaps he installed it already | 00:28 |
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| victor____ | hello, i have a question... can i install meego on my system? | 00:36 |
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| * lcuk senses deja vu | 00:36 | |
| lcuk | victor____, how would anybody know what your system is? and how can they get a chance to ask your if you leave after a couple of minutes? | 00:37 |
| victor____ | my connection sucks... but i'm rith here... i'm using moblin 2.1 and i would like to try meego as the website let download de img... so i just wanna know if someone has tried it and if i could install and use it as my OS... | 00:39 |
| CosmoHill | hello victor____ | 00:39 |
| victor____ | hi | 00:39 |
| CosmoHill | you have a long tail | 00:39 |
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| victor____ | lol yeah ;) | 00:40 |
| thiago_home | victor____: first of all, do you realise the current MeeGo images are early developer releases? | 00:40 |
| victor____ | yeah and what does it mean? | 00:40 |
| thiago_home | it means the x86 image has no GUI | 00:41 |
| thiago_home | and the ARM image boots to xterm | 00:41 |
| victor____ | so meego's still nothing? | 00:41 |
| Stskeeps | it's an xterm and you can install qt | 00:41 |
| victor____ | which means? | 00:41 |
| lbt | my x86 meego has a gui... and an app too! | 00:41 |
| Stskeeps | shopper on joggler? | 00:41 |
| thiago_home | it means it's an early developer image | 00:42 |
| lbt | it's a little x cursor that follows your finger like a pet | 00:42 |
| thiago_home | it's for platform developers to start playing with it and developing it | 00:42 |
| thiago_home | are you a platform developer? | 00:42 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: soon... | 00:42 |
| CosmoHill | lbt: i have a hamster for that | 00:42 |
| * lbt renames Xorg Hamsterorg | 00:42 | |
| victor____ | lol i'm a fucking exubuntu user ... so imaging | 00:42 |
| thiago_home | please watch your language | 00:42 |
| * CosmoHill shakes a swear jar at victor____ | 00:42 | |
| thiago_home | I'd guess then that this image is not for you | 00:42 |
| thiago_home | please wait a bit more and there will be a full release | 00:42 |
| victor____ | so do i... | 00:43 |
| CosmoHill | in the mean time try gentoo :) | 00:43 |
| victor____ | and when is it coming out? | 00:43 |
| CosmoHill | october i think for 1.1. | 00:43 |
| victor____ | too much wait ... | 00:43 |
| thiago_home | may = 1.0, october 1.1 | 00:43 |
| GAN900 | MeeGo - We're working on it! Just wait! | 00:43 |
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| victor____ | bit the 1,0 one is being able to be installed? | 00:44 |
| victor____ | *but | 00:44 |
| Stskeeps | hopefully | 00:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:44 |
| CosmoHill | Meego 1.0 - Need more coffee | 00:44 |
| victor____ | i cant wait for it ... | 00:44 |
| victor____ | moblin's kind of boring ... | 00:45 |
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| javispedro | MeeGo Nukem Forever | 00:45 |
| victor____ | and do you know what's new on meego... i mean the differences between mobling 2.1 and meego for netbooks | 00:46 |
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| lbt | javispedro: really? | 00:48 |
| lbt | cool | 00:48 |
| thiago_home | victor____: no, we don't know yet | 00:48 |
| javispedro | lbt: :( | 00:48 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 01:11 |
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| CosmoHill | crap | 01:20 |
| CosmoHill | I need to make a distractor | 01:20 |
| CosmoHill | destructor* | 01:20 |
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| lcuk | lol CosmoHill irc is a distractor ;) | 01:21 |
| CosmoHill | and it takes up memory when it goes out of scope | 01:21 |
| lcuk | indeed | 01:23 |
| thiago_home | well, that's what happens when you try to do your work while IRC'ing | 01:26 |
| w00t_ | depends | 01:26 |
| w00t_ | "I'm compiling" is a perfectly valid excuse when Qt is involved :-) | 01:26 |
| w00t_ | and oh the irony, mine just finished | 01:26 |
| CosmoHill | The Hives is cool | 01:27 |
| CosmoHill | it takes 10 seconds to compile my program | 01:27 |
| thiago_home | w00t_: yeah, that xkcd strip is in several offices in the office | 01:28 |
| w00t_ | awesome :D | 01:28 |
| CosmoHill | hehe | 01:28 |
| CosmoHill | I was gonna print the debug flow chart | 01:28 |
| w00t_ | do you actually trundle chairs down the halls while waving pirate swords? | 01:28 |
| thiago_home | no, we have teambuilder | 01:29 |
| thiago_home | Qt builds take 7 minutes for me | 01:29 |
| thiago_home | and that's a full build | 01:29 |
| w00t_ | bah :p | 01:29 |
| CosmoHill | I've done a lap of the work stations backwards whilst chasing simon | 01:29 |
| w00t_ | I am seriously contemplating setting up a home compile farm | 01:29 |
| w00t_ | I have enough cores here, god knows | 01:30 |
| thiago_home | xkcd comic strips also share space with dilbert strips | 01:30 |
| thiago_home | and print-outs of stupid emails | 01:30 |
| CosmoHill | what is a compile farm? | 01:30 |
| CosmoHill | is it a cluster where you send work to the headnode? | 01:30 |
| CosmoHill | or a load of computers with distcc on them? | 01:30 |
| thiago_home | stupid questions set to support or the latest round of "reply-to-all-of-nokia" emails | 01:30 |
| thiago_home | CosmoHill: distcc is a couple of generations behind what we have | 01:31 |
| w00t_ | thiago_home: if there actually is an address to the whole of nokia.. :) | 01:31 |
| CosmoHill | you have a cloud | 01:31 |
| thiago_home | w00t_: I don't know if there still is one. There was one two months ago. | 01:31 |
| w00t_ | hah | 01:31 |
| thiago_home | CosmoHill: yes and no | 01:31 |
| thiago_home | we have workstations | 01:31 |
| thiago_home | they are the cloud | 01:31 |
| lcuk | thiago_home, 7 mins for a complete qt build is extremely impressive | 01:32 |
| CosmoHill | a workstation with a lot of work will share if with other work stations with not so much work? | 01:32 |
| thiago_home | it works like this: each developer runs a build server. There's one build scheduler in the network. | 01:32 |
| thiago_home | when you build, gcc is actually a symlink to the build tool | 01:32 |
| thiago_home | it contacts the scheduler and gets queued | 01:32 |
| thiago_home | if the scheduler says "build locally", it calls the actual gcc and builds | 01:32 |
| thiago_home | if the scheduler says "build on this machine", it runs only the preprocessor and sends that over the network to the other machine | 01:33 |
| thiago_home | the other machine then builds and ships back the .o | 01:33 |
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| thiago_home | adding a scheduler is one generation ahead of distcc | 01:34 |
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| CosmoHill | I wonder if we could do that at uni | 01:34 |
| thiago_home | then we added the ability to ship your compiler to other machines | 01:34 |
| CosmoHill | atm you have media students rendering on machines for a week or two at a time | 01:34 |
| thiago_home | and then we added the ability to use cross compilers (i.e., a 64-bit cross-compiler for 32-bit machines) | 01:34 |
| thiago_home | or the ARM cross-compiler | 01:34 |
| CosmoHill | you work for nokia right? | 01:34 |
| thiago_home | our next goal is to rid of the scheduler and do a distributed network | 01:35 |
| thiago_home | yeah | 01:35 |
| CosmoHill | any jobs going? :p | 01:35 |
| w00t_ | thiago_home: icecream sounds remotely similar | 01:35 |
| thiago_home | w00t_: yes, it's the same as icecream | 01:35 |
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| CosmoHill | thiago_home: I may talk to you more about this | 01:35 |
| thiago_home | the only difference I know of is the case of multi-arch cross-compilers and PCH support. | 01:35 |
| thiago_home | yes | 01:35 |
| thiago_home | whenever you want to | 01:36 |
| CosmoHill | I'm trying to work out what to do for my disseration | 01:36 |
| CosmoHill | I need to make a list of hardware I have, what the staff would like and educational outcomes | 01:36 |
| CosmoHill | *academic | 01:36 |
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| thiago_home | w00t_: you should see the protocol we invented for the distributed work. :-) | 01:37 |
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| thiago_home | multicast, encrypted, multiple networks, dealing with firewalls | 01:38 |
| w00t_ | mmm :> | 01:38 |
| w00t_ | it hole punches? | 01:38 |
| thiago_home | no, the point is that some machines will send UDP packets, but will not receive the replies | 01:39 |
| thiago_home | so you've got nodes who keep poisoning the network | 01:39 |
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| thiago_home | they would send offer to join the network and run compile jobs, but they wouldn't actually accept any jobs | 01:40 |
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| w00t_ | heh | 01:40 |
| w00t_ | right | 01:41 |
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| CosmoHill | what kinda network do you have? | 01:41 |
| CosmoHill | GbE? | 01:41 |
| thiago_home | yes | 01:41 |
| CosmoHill | nice | 01:41 |
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| thiago_home | but FastEthernet is enough | 01:41 |
| lcuk | thiago_home, nice, is the distributed doofer open source? | 01:41 |
| CosmoHill | really? | 01:42 |
| thiago_home | lcuk: well, it doesn't exist in code yet | 01:42 |
| thiago_home | it's just ideas in a wiki | 01:42 |
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| lcuk | you just said you can build qt in 7mins over distributed net? | 01:42 |
| thiago_home | wait | 01:42 |
| lcuk | or is this a different app | 01:42 |
| thiago_home | we have a compile farm | 01:42 |
| CosmoHill | I maybe building a beowulf cluster with a 100Mb/s switch | 01:42 |
| * ljp hugs teambuilder | 01:42 | |
| thiago_home | I meant that the next generation of the tool we want to do in a distributed fashion | 01:42 |
| CosmoHill | READ THIS LOG | 01:42 |
| CosmoHill | now I can find this in my history :) | 01:43 |
| thiago_home | without needing to install and run a scheduler | 01:43 |
| lcuk | thiago_home, cool, maybe you can FIXED the qtbug about multicast whilst you are building it :D | 01:43 |
| tripzero | heh, hrm | 01:43 |
| thiago_home | CosmoHill: the preprocessed source is often under 2 MB. When compressed, it sends very quickly. | 01:43 |
| thiago_home | the size of .o files is also very small. | 01:43 |
| thiago_home | the only performance hit is when you need to transfer your compiler to another machine. Even then, it's around 10 MB. | 01:44 |
| thiago_home | or one second under FastEthernet | 01:44 |
| thiago_home | lcuk: yeah | 01:44 |
| lcuk | thiago_home, thats only a problem when you have lots of source and wanting all the little bits | 01:44 |
| lcuk | if the machines have qt on already and you are just trying to build/run the same app on all machines its run | 01:44 |
| lcuk | its fun ^ | 01:44 |
| CosmoHill | I think my cluster might have either | 01:45 |
| CosmoHill | 1. fast ethertnet for control and data | 01:45 |
| CosmoHill | or | 01:45 |
| lcuk | i have multiple machines running multiple generations of operating system and want the same app running at same time on all of them | 01:45 |
| thiago_home | another thing we wanted is a distributed preprocessed cache | 01:45 |
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| thiago_home | since many people run the same distro and are building the same software, they could benefit from it | 01:45 |
| CosmoHill | 2. 1 x fast ethernet for control and 1 x fast ehternet for data | 01:45 |
| lcuk | which was close with original liqbase - i built continuously on my 810 for this purpose | 01:45 |
| thiago_home | that is, distributed ccache | 01:45 |
| w00t_ | thiago_home: that would be useful | 01:46 |
| * thiago_home wonders why he's talking to lcuk and w00t_ in two different channels | 01:46 | |
| lcuk | thiago_home, simplest is to have the machines just pulling in git changes | 01:47 |
| lcuk | 1000 machines getting the diffs pulls down latest source | 01:47 |
| w00t_ | thiago_home: because you love us both just that much | 01:47 |
| lcuk | 3 for me thiago_home | 01:47 |
| lcuk | irc is ++ for conversation fragmentation :D | 01:47 |
| w00t_ | thiago_home: I think my question is better: why am I talking to you in two channels, on two seperate clients, on two different topics | 01:47 |
| w00t_ | :-) | 01:47 |
| lcuk | tho we have crossed purposes - w00t is talking about udp code - im concerned about multicast - you need multicast for your render farm | 01:48 |
| CosmoHill | thiago_home: at least it's just peoople | 01:48 |
| CosmoHill | I've had one conversation with one person over two servers | 01:48 |
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| javispedro | do a barrel roll. | 01:49 |
| lcuk | only 1? | 01:49 |
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| javispedro | ok, multicast it. | 01:49 |
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| CosmoHill | wow I missed out "return" and my compiler didn't care | 01:59 |
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| CosmoHill | grr, my hamster is biting the plastic in his cage and it's loud | 02:06 |
| CosmoHill | thiago_home: isn't it 3am? | 02:07 |
| thiago_home | 1 | 02:11 |
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| CosmoHill | not to bad | 02:12 |
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| RigTig | I tried running 2010-3-31 release on EeePC701, but failed 'cos no pae in CPU. Any idea about why need pae in target machines? | 02:32 |
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| CosmoHill | probably because the kernel is build to require something | 02:41 |
| CosmoHill | or the programs are compiled to a certain processor | 02:41 |
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| bfree | afaik the eee (celeron) would fail due to the need for SSSE3 anyway even if PAE didn't make it fall over first ... basically an atom or core2 (or newer) needed | 02:44 |
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| RigTig | Tx bfree; looks like MeeGo is not for me. | 02:56 |
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| miblon | Hi people! I came from moblin and can't wait to see meego in action. My wishlist? Get meego running on my eee 1005HA and buy the first available nokia phone that runs meego. Can I order one already :D? | 10:13 |
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| miblon | pre-order? | 10:14 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | morning | 11:15 |
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| Anss| | m0rn1ng. | 11:22 |
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| Stskeeps | morning slaine | 11:36 |
| slaine | It's not officially morning 'til I have some coffee | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | indeed | 11:38 |
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| * lbt sends a haiku to -dev... | 11:49 | |
| slaine | lbt, limericks are funnier | 11:50 |
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| lbt | this was a sad one .... | 11:51 |
| Termana|AFK | People on mailing list | 11:51 |
| Termana|AFK | Are stupider than me | 11:52 |
| Termana|AFK | I will kill them nao | 11:52 |
| Termana|AFK | They are* | 11:52 |
| Termana|AFK | It has to be 7 in the middle :P | 11:52 |
| lbt | and 5 in the 1st | 11:53 |
| * lbt points Termana|AFK to an online haiku-checker | 11:53 | |
| Termana|AFK | ahh shit I thought that was 5, oh well :P Remind me not to try haiku's again :P | 11:53 |
| lbt | QA'ed poetry | 11:53 |
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| Wunderkind | :D | 12:06 |
| Wunderkind | hola \o/ | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | hola | 12:07 |
| slaine | an eulogy ? | 12:08 |
| Wunderkind | an what what? | 12:09 |
| slaine | I would have said "a eulogy" | 12:09 |
| slaine | regardless, nice haiku lbt | 12:09 |
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| Mirv | hi. I wrote this deb -> rpm example page http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging/Deb_conversion_example, modifications welcome | 14:38 |
| Mirv | note that I've strong deb background and I learned rpm myself while writing that, so rpm experts definitely have stuff to improve there | 14:39 |
| Mirv | also initiated a discussion page over there | 14:40 |
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| w00t_ | Mirv: useful | 14:42 |
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| * CosmoHill might not have the computer's he wanted for his cluster :( | 14:44 | |
| Anss| | Mirv, thanks, looks really good! | 14:44 |
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| Mirv | Anss|: no prob, and thank Nokia for having me do that :P | 14:48 |
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| WAHa_06x36 | ok, I think I figured out my watchdog problems from yesterday. | 15:21 |
| WAHa_06x36 | the ångström kernel has the watchdog enabled and NOWAYOUT set, so that once it is opened it will never shut off. | 15:21 |
| WAHa_06x36 | Ångström however never touches /dev/watchdog, so it does not start. | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | makes sense | 15:21 |
| WAHa_06x36 | but meego does touch it | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | really? | 15:21 |
| WAHa_06x36 | I can't figure out why, though. | 15:21 |
| WAHa_06x36 | yeah, that's what the "not stopping" error at bootup is. | 15:22 |
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| WAHa_06x36 | that's what heppens when you close /dev/watchdog. | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 15:22 |
| WAHa_06x36 | any clue what would be touching it? grep -R watchdog in /etc/ finds nothing obvious. | 15:22 |
| WAHa_06x36 | except for one line in makedev.d/01linux-2.6.x | 15:23 |
| WAHa_06x36 | which I don't know what it is, and it just says: | 15:23 |
| WAHa_06x36 | c $ROOT 10 130 1 1 watchdog | 15:24 |
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| WAHa_06x36 | commenting it out changes nothing. | 15:31 |
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| WAHa_06x36 | rtkit seems to do something with watchdogs? | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | rtkit? | 15:36 |
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| WAHa_06x36 | whatever that is. something to do with dbus. | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | ask on meego-dev@ and see if anything touches the watchdog | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | ask, i mean | 15:39 |
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| Anss| | realtime kit | 15:48 |
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| slaine | WAHa_06x36: you could try and do something like | 16:16 |
| slaine | watch -n 1 lsof /dev/watchdog | 16:16 |
| slaine | and see if you can spot what process is writing to it | 16:16 |
| WAHa_06x36 | well, lsof isn't installed, but more importantly, I know it happens just once, towards the end of the boot process. | 16:18 |
| WAHa_06x36 | because every time someone writes to it, the kernel throws some debug output. | 16:18 |
| WAHa_06x36 | (or rather, every time someone closes it) | 16:19 |
| slaine | WAHa_06x36: that could simply happen by doing | 16:19 |
| slaine | echo -n "1" /dev/watchdog | 16:19 |
| slaine | you'll get the same unexpected close, still counting type message | 16:20 |
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| slaine | and lsof rpms should be available, no reason why you can't include it on your image. | 16:22 |
| slaine | btw, the above echo -n ... will pat the watchdog | 16:22 |
| slaine | if you had that in a loop, it'd keep your box up | 16:22 |
| slaine | but I'm sure you knew that | 16:22 |
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| WAHa_06x36 | yes, I've been doing it by hand to test things with the system running. | 16:24 |
| WAHa_06x36 | (this is just as bad an idea as it sounds) | 16:24 |
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| Votan | still no unofficial official word on a gui-enabled atom-based meego iso ß | 17:12 |
| Votan | ? | 17:12 |
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| slaine | Votan, release due for May | 17:12 |
| Votan | i hoped for something a little more specific | 17:12 |
| slaine | As would the rest of us | 17:13 |
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| zaheerm | assume may 31 | 17:22 |
| zaheerm | if it comes earlier, you are happy :) | 17:22 |
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| WAHa_06x36 | http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-il10n ..."il10n"? | 18:04 |
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| Fatal | wonder that the l stands for | 18:05 |
| Fatal | s/that/what/ | 18:05 |
| infobot | Fatal meant: wonder what the l stands for | 18:05 |
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| Stskeeps | random question, am i too militant with all this open development stuff? :P | 18:31 |
| DawnFoster | yes :) | 18:32 |
| DawnFoster | we will get there | 18:32 |
| DawnFoster | it takes time to merge code bases where some of it was open and some wasn't. | 18:32 |
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| DawnFoster | we've been pretty clear about the timelines for getting things opened up. | 18:33 |
| DawnFoster | I know people are frustrated with the process (including me) | 18:34 |
| mikeleib | everybody is eager, nobody is dragging thier feet | 18:34 |
| DawnFoster | on the Intel side (can't speak for Nokia) the people working on MeeGo are also active contributors to many open source projects (linux kernel and more) | 18:35 |
| DawnFoster | they really get the process of operating in the open and will get there. | 18:35 |
| DawnFoster | right now, some of the discussions are proving to be more of a distraction | 18:36 |
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| DawnFoster | stskeeps: does this help? | 18:37 |
| Termana | DawnFoster, I'm not exactly sure I would call the timeline very clear. In fact theres a big thread on the mailing list still discussing it. The topic seems to be avoided rather than made clear. At least in my opinion anyway | 18:38 |
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| mikeleib | /query tripzero | 18:39 |
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| DawnFoster | Termana: we've tried to be clear that the first release will be in May with some code being released earlier for people to start working on | 18:41 |
| Termana | DawnFoster, Right, but I mean no one seems to of been real clear about when everything is suppose to be fully opened up for everyone to start participating on open development of the code | 18:41 |
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| DawnFoster | Right now, people can participate openly for the code that has been released - people are submitting patches to the mailing list and bugs | 18:42 |
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| DawnFoster | In May, when the code is released, people can participate openly on that code, too | 18:43 |
| w00t_ | "in the next few days, we will post the next steps leading to the first release of MeeGo in May" - from 'day one is here' post | 18:43 |
| w00t_ | did that ever actually happen? | 18:44 |
| dazo | DawnFoster: so before the summer, it will be possible to flash Nokia N900 with MeeGo? | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: thanks for the view, hope i do seem to try to be understanding of the situation too. the problems i point at is things there should be no issue whatsoever working in the open | 18:44 |
| tripzero | dazo: it's possible now. but not very useful | 18:44 |
| slaine | DawnFoster: What wasn't made clear, imo, was that we'd not be allowed participate fully until MeeGo 1.0 was released. And that all the code wasn't going to be released until the software was deemed ready for consumption internally by Intel/Nokia project managers | 18:44 |
| DawnFoster | dazo: you'll need to ask someone at Nokia | 18:44 |
| Termana | Thats not open development. Thats "we'll give you a code drop and you can work on that code, and we'll keep this code to ourselves here and give you another code drop and let the cycle go round and round" | 18:45 |
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| w00t_ | slaine: that actually was mentioned, though not worded in the best possible manner | 18:45 |
| DawnFoster | Termana: please understand that this is a temporary situation, not a permanent one | 18:45 |
| dazo | DawnFoster: fair enough, but the base platform would be ready for real day-to-day usage at that point? Or will the UI stack need to be implemented first? | 18:45 |
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| slaine | We where led to believe that the missing projects would be opened in the short term, that it was logistical issues of merging things and having everyone on the same page | 18:46 |
| DawnFoster | I remind people that I don't make the decisions on timelines | 18:46 |
| slaine | w00t_: I disagree | 18:46 |
| slaine | even last week it was answered that yes, we should be involved pre 1.0 release | 18:46 |
| slaine | But that was never the intention it seems | 18:46 |
| tripzero | dazo: iirc, it's supposed to be a development release first. so unless you like pain, it won't be good for day-to-day usage | 18:46 |
| Termana | DawnFoster, Right, I understand this, but what I'm saying is I don't think people are quite a clear on whats going on and when this stops. | 18:46 |
| w00t_ | slaine: and you can get as involved as you like, provided you're not working on UX | 18:46 |
| DawnFoster | we're doing the best that we can under tough circumstances, and we *will* get to a point where the development is happening completely in the open soon | 18:46 |
| DawnFoster | I ask that people be a little patient with us - we're working very hard to make this happen | 18:47 |
| dazo | tripzero: I'm willing to handle some pain ... but to loose basic phone and calendar features completely is not an option :) | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | and let's not try to shoot the messenger here :P | 18:47 |
| w00t_ | (meaning that yes, it is a bit of a damp squib, but it was mentioned back before day one that it was going to be pretty basic) | 18:47 |
| DawnFoster | and we're being as honest as we can be by sharing what we know and trying to be as clear as possible about the timelines | 18:47 |
| slaine | DawnFoster: I don't think that's entirely true | 18:48 |
| DawnFoster | stskeeps: thanks :) | 18:48 |
| slaine | we're getting mixed messages | 18:48 |
| dazo | DawnFoster: tbh ... this merge is not a tiny merge ... and having just followed it from the side line, I do see it has moved quite a lot in reasonable time! ... So I'm looking fwd to the future of MeeGo! | 18:48 |
| slaine | I think if it was clearly stated that we wouldn't get access to the fully opened code until after Intel/Nokia had prepared a 1.0 release, then we'd have alot less misundertandings, alot less noise | 18:48 |
| DawnFoster | slaine: I know this has not been a smooth process, but we are human beings who aren't always as clear as we should be, but we're trying very hard to make things work | 18:48 |
| slaine | nod | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | i guess we can all agree meego 1.0 will cure a lot of things | 18:49 |
| w00t_ | maybe | 18:49 |
| dazo | Stskeeps: +1 | 18:49 |
| DawnFoster | where is data from Star Trek when you need him :) | 18:49 |
| Termana | Wasn't Day 1 suppose to cure a lot of things? :P | 18:49 |
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| slaine | I would have been less disgruntled if something like Quim's email had come out around Day 1 | 18:49 |
| slaine | Having a clearer understanding on what the state of play is, I'm quite happy to sit it out and wait for 1.0 | 18:51 |
| slaine | I'd have preferred to have some involvement | 18:51 |
| slaine | Don't forget, most of the netbook UX was already available for my patching and experimentation up to late February | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | okay, i'm officially confused with how meego kernel is run now. | 18:51 |
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| w00t_ | apparantly it's not meego's kernel, it's intel's | 18:52 |
| slaine | What have Novell got to do with MeeGo ? | 18:53 |
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| slaine | It seems that Novell are dictating how intel manage the kernel ??? | 18:53 |
| w00t_ | no | 18:53 |
| tripzero | who said anything about novell? | 18:54 |
| w00t_ | read the -dev ML | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: if it would be possible to get some kind of indication how the meego kernel process is run, and by who, it would be really great :/ | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | because there's some really weird statements out there now. | 18:54 |
| DawnFoster | The TSG today at 19:00 UTC will talk more about project structure. | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | thanks - looking forward to it | 18:55 |
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| DawnFoster | Details: http://wiki.meego.com/Technical_Steering_Group_meetings | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | yep, saw agenda earlier, hoping this time it comes with content | 18:55 |
| w00t_ | on the bright side: at least it's staying on the agenda this time | 18:56 |
| Termana | 4:30AM | 18:56 |
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| Termana | for me :P | 18:56 |
| DawnFoster | Termana: where are you located? | 18:56 |
| Termana | DawnFoster, South Australia | 18:56 |
| slaine | I'll have to skip the TSG meeting tonight I'm afraid | 18:57 |
| * Stskeeps is looking forward to his vacation trip to denmark | 18:57 | |
| DawnFoster | Yeah, I'm not sure that I understand Greg's most recent comments about the kernel process. Let me ping Arjan and get him to chime in | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | i'll send a mail where i back off until project structure is more known, probably for the best | 18:58 |
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| Stskeeps | as having different perceptions about what the thing discussed is, never made for constructive discussion :) | 18:59 |
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| Termana | I'm going to head off to bed (nearly 2am here :P). Good night everyone | 19:09 |
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| slaine | night | 19:09 |
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| lcuk2 | amazing short video showing the dancing around euro airspace as it rebooted: http://vimeo.com/11205494 | 19:11 |
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| PostmanPechk | hi | 19:13 |
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| Stskeeps | so, what are people hacking on this minute? | 19:57 |
| Zeikko | Pasta, tuna and cottage cheese, you? | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | i wish i was hacking at beef :P | 19:59 |
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| Zeikko | That'd be good, i'm on a protein hunt atm | 19:59 |
| leinir | Not hacking as much as playing around with building behavior trees to describe the player in The Quantum Sea... relevant because Gluon, which TQS is being built with, will have a player on MeeGo ;) | 19:59 |
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| * Stskeeps notes to himself printing a blog with a lot of comments does not save the rain forest. | 20:01 | |
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| Zeikko | Why are you printing blog comments? | 20:01 |
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| slaine | Zeikko: To take on a road trip I'd guess | 20:04 |
| Zeikko | would he go on a roadtrip without a laptop? | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | sure, laptops causes a lot of car-related deaths | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:05 |
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| Zeikko | umm, how come? | 20:06 |
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| Stskeeps | what happens when you have a laptop on your lap and you crash into a car? :P | 20:06 |
| lcuk2 | Zeikko, the laptop keeps sliding off the steering wheel when turning | 20:06 |
| frals | lol lcuk2 | 20:06 |
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| lcuk2 | http://www.amazon.com/Mobile-Office-WM-01-Laptop-Steering/dp/B000IZGIA8 | 20:07 |
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| lcuk2 | (comments are classy on that one) | 20:08 |
| Zeikko | What a heck, that's sick | 20:08 |
| VDVsx | "I use it as a "mini-bar" when the friends and I go out to the bars" | 20:08 |
| VDVsx | lol | 20:08 |
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| hans1 | hi all | 20:19 |
| hans1 | jemand deutsch | 20:19 |
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| VDVsx | hans1, English please | 20:20 |
| hans1 | give es a german chatroom for maemo/meego ? | 20:21 |
| Votan | i doubt it | 20:21 |
| DawnFoster | We only have an English channel for the chatrooms. | 20:22 |
| hans1 | ok | 20:22 |
| DawnFoster | hans1: Do you have a question about maemo / meego? | 20:22 |
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| hans1 | im cann not english | 20:23 |
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| DawnFoster | Quick reminder that we have a MeeGo Technical Steering Group meeting in 1.5 hours (19:00 UTC). Agenda here: http://wiki.meego.com/Technical_Steering_Group_meetings | 20:26 |
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| Cosmo|Uni | thanks DawnFoster | 20:27 |
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| Stskeeps | thanks - think the TSG meetings are actually running quite well by now, always a nice sync point | 20:27 |
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| * GAN900 thinks some overhead should be figured in for when important discussions run over. | 20:30 | |
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| Stskeeps | otoh, meetings that last forever kill the spirit | 20:30 |
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| Cosmo | like christmas | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | timeslotting might be good or even a vote on how important people consider items, so they get allocated more time ;) | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | but there's a lot of different forms things could be in | 20:31 |
| DawnFoster | we have decided to keep the meeting to an hour | 20:31 |
| DawnFoster | however, we need to do better about continuing the discussion on mailing lists or in upcoming TSG meetings | 20:32 |
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| w00t_ | DawnFoster: sending minutes to the ML and kicking threads off there after the meeting perhaps? | 20:32 |
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| DawnFoster | I'd rather have the individual people attending who have remaining questions post their own questions in the mailing list | 20:33 |
| DawnFoster | otherwise, I become the bottleneck | 20:33 |
| Cosmo | you could take them from the mailing list and put them on a wiki page with numbers | 20:34 |
| Cosmo | then add the answers to them after thhe meeting | 20:34 |
| w00t_ | I wasn't necessarily saying you :) but a link to the minutes to remind the forgetful (like me, who sometimes even forgets there *is* a meeting) might generate more discussion | 20:34 |
| w00t_ | I don't know | 20:34 |
| DawnFoster | I'd still rather have questions in the mailing list | 20:34 |
| DawnFoster | Ah, I'm trying to get better about posting the agenda to the mailing list, now I need to get better about posting the minutes after the meeting :) | 20:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, don't gotta tell me twice. ;) | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | if need be i could probably hack the bot to send it's information somewhere | 20:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, but I think adding 10 or 15 minutes if there's an involved discussion taking place couldn't hurt | 20:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Rather than just saying, "OK, times up!" | 20:36 |
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| w00t_ | GeneralAntilles: the problem is that 10-15 more minutes drags on and on and on | 20:36 |
| w00t_ | (I speak from experience there unfortunately) | 20:36 |
| DawnFoster | yeah, the first TSG was over 2 hours | 20:36 |
| DawnFoster | it's just doesn't work to try to extend it because there is never a "good" time to cut people off | 20:37 |
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| DawnFoster | at least this way, we are being consistent, everyone knows when it will end, and people can plan meetings after the TSG :) | 20:37 |
| w00t_ | I once had a 6 hour meeting, that was not pleasant | 20:37 |
| slaine | unfortunately, there's not been a lot of followup on the ml with questions | 20:38 |
| DawnFoster | w00t_ ouch | 20:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think it would be easier if we could get more engagement from the TSG on issues outside of the meetings, too. | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | we can all be happy this is not a telco. | 20:38 |
| w00t_ | Stskeeps: this was a face to face one where we flew most of the company together for it | 20:38 |
| lcuk2 | long meetings where people arent engaged is somewhat unrewarding - however once people get in a flow they can communicate and desimate information nicely and hours go on without noticing | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | w00t_: well, at least that includes dinner usually | 20:38 |
| w00t_ | (my previous employer, obviously) | 20:38 |
| Cosmo | damn you firefox | 20:39 |
| DawnFoster | generalantilles: I agree. I'm trying to get more participation from the TSG in the mailing lists | 20:39 |
| w00t_ | lcuk2: yes, that was the primary problem | 20:39 |
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| lcuk2 | w00t_, yesterday for instance, the discussion about testing and build processes was rewarding | 20:39 |
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| w00t_ | indeed | 20:39 |
| w00t_ | thiago is always good to talk to tho :) | 20:39 |
| thiago | about? | 20:40 |
| lcuk2 | +1 | 20:40 |
| lcuk2 | heh thiago | 20:40 |
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| w00t_ | thiago: anything, but lcuk and I were just saying that last night's chat was productive and useful | 20:42 |
| Cosmo | hi thiago | 20:43 |
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| slaine | DawnFoster: that would be good | 20:43 |
| * thiago needs to go home to be in time for the TSG meeting today | 20:44 | |
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| slaine | I followed up my final question on the ml but go feedback 'til today from Quim | 20:44 |
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| Cosmo | hi slaine | 20:47 |
| slaine | yo | 20:47 |
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| lcuk2 | at the first tsg valhalla said his n900 was running the Maemo6 UI framework on qt on X. he mentioned the widget gallery was running fine and that it was stable etc | 20:55 |
| lcuk2 | (quite stable at least) | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | and ze kvestion iz? | 20:57 |
| lcuk2 | are any of these packages available yet in an easy to test form? i have seen the hyperUI example UI on my n900 (its in extras-devel) | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | qt is | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | demos are retrievable | 20:57 |
| tripzero | hyberUI? | 20:57 |
| lcuk2 | thats not the same - somethng like hyperui can be easily installed on your fremantle system | 20:58 |
| tripzero | hyper*UI? | 20:58 |
| tripzero | what is this hyperUI of which you speak? | 20:58 |
| lcuk2 | tripzero, an example qt based UI that comes from symbian side afaik | 20:59 |
| lcuk2 | its got a dialer and sortof dashboard | 20:59 |
| tripzero | ahh. okay. | 20:59 |
| tripzero | so it's different than the harmattan UI stuff? | 20:59 |
| lcuk2 | well yeah in one important respect i think - thats available for download and play with | 21:00 |
| thiago | hyperui is a the name of a demo | 21:00 |
| thiago | see http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-labs/mobile-demos | 21:00 |
| lcuk2 | thats all we expect from meego tho | 21:00 |
| lcuk2 | i dont think anybody expects a fully working final product immediately | 21:01 |
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| tripzero | ah, the qt mobile-demos... okay. i've seen those :) | 21:01 |
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| Cosmo | 20 mins until the meeting | 21:39 |
| * Stskeeps should go shower before | 21:39 | |
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| Cosmo | Stskeeps: yeah, we can smell you from here | 21:41 |
| DawnFoster | OK, due to unforeseen logisitical challenges, we need to cancel the TSG | 21:43 |
| DawnFoster | Valtteri is without Internet and Imad got stuck in a meeting with Intel executives. | 21:43 |
| DawnFoster | We'll be pushing the agenda to next week | 21:43 |
| DawnFoster | Sorry for all of the confusion and last minute cancelation. | 21:44 |
| DawnFoster | I just got the phone call to cancel it. | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | would it be possible to push some of the structure info out possibly? unless it needs commentary by TSG so people put it in context | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | (as in, not now, but eventually, before next meeting) | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | if not, perfectly OK :) | 21:45 |
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| Cosmo | DawnFoster: isn't that what the N900 is for? | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | well, for the internet part, but for executives, doubt it :P | 21:46 |
| Cosmo | sure Imad will be looking down a lot of the time instead of paying attention to the meeting | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | even though it is possible to attend with a n900 ;p | 21:47 |
| V-PV | Valtteri without Internet connection :-) He should have N900 and this XChat works just fine... | 21:47 |
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| w00t_ | cancelled? great | 21:47 |
| w00t_ | thiago_home: you didn't need to rush home after all | 21:47 |
| thiago_home | w00t_: too late | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | instead, we'll be organising a pubcrawl | 21:48 |
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| thiago_home | I'm home | 21:48 |
| w00t_ | stskeeps++ | 21:48 |
| Cosmo | thiago_home: your nick gives it away :) | 21:48 |
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| lbt | hi tekojo | 21:48 |
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| w00t_ | thiago_home: good thing too, otherwise i'd say you were an imposter :-) | 21:48 |
| thiago_home | Cosmo: :-) | 21:48 |
| lbt | no tsg tonight... now, if I had some IPs.... | 21:49 |
| Cosmo | DawnFoster: so if he got a phone call, he could have dial up internet? | 21:49 |
| Cosmo | ^.^ | 21:49 |
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| tekojo | hi lbt | 21:50 |
| Cosmo | hey tekojo | 21:50 |
| * w00t_ waves at tekojo | 21:50 | |
| thiago_home | so topic update? | 21:50 |
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| w00t_ | Stskeeps: ^^ | 21:50 |
| tekojo | hi all | 21:50 |
| Cosmo | DawnFoster: in #meego-meeting set the topic to "meeting canceled, sorry" | 21:50 |
| slaine | hmm, better get some coffee | 21:50 |
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| tekojo | no tsg, what's up? | 21:51 |
| w00t_ | one has no internet, the other sounds to be in the meeting from hell | 21:51 |
| w00t_ | apparantly | 21:51 |
| lbt | [19:43] <DawnFoster> OK, due to unforeseen logisitical challenges, we need to cancel the TSG | 21:52 |
| lbt | [19:43] <DawnFoster> Valtteri is without Internet and Imad got stuck in a meeting with Intel executives. | 21:52 |
| tekojo | lbt :D sounds so like them | 21:52 |
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| lcuk | why dont we have a go at threshing out some of the points anyway - since people are in a frame of mind for talking :p | 21:53 |
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| lbt | lcuk: nah, we should prove quim wrong and compose haiku ;) | 21:54 |
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| * thiago_home blames elisa.fi | 21:55 | |
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| Stskeeps | what's wrong with going out in the snow to search for open wifi anyay ;p | 21:59 |
| Stskeeps | way | 21:59 |
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| alexbez | Stskeeps,: one doesn't even need to go out and search for a public WiFi - mobile Internet from your cellphone works just fine in Finland | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | oh well - more time to do other things tonight then :) | 22:01 |
| Cosmo | thiago_home: that's a very pretty website | 22:01 |
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| Cosmo | I can't read it bit it's still very pretty | 22:02 |
| * Cosmo spots "in english" at the bottom | 22:02 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Internet access isn't particularly difficult to come by these days. | 22:03 |
| alexbez | Cosmo: pretty site is the only good thing about Elisa - one of the biggest telecom operators here :-) | 22:03 |
| Cosmo | sometimes I can pick up my friend's wireless and he lives down the road | 22:03 |
| Stskeeps | nah, but if you're in a meeting with executives, you're not going to be playing bullshit bingo on your n900.. | 22:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:03 |
| w00t_ | (why on earth not?) | 22:04 |
| RST38h | Moo, Sts | 22:04 |
| alexbez | w00t_, exactly! | 22:04 |
| RST38h | Sts: How is life? | 22:04 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: good good, travelling to denmark tomorrow | 22:04 |
| RST38h | Ah, visiting home? =) | 22:04 |
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| Cosmo | alexbez: wait, ADSL broad band and cable tv? | 22:04 |
| Stskeeps | well, my home is warsaw at the moment | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:05 |
| Cosmo | but not cable broadband? | 22:05 |
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| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: have fun in Denmark | 22:05 |
| alexbez | Cosmo: Elisa used to be a fixed telephone lines operator | 22:05 |
| alexbez | Nowadays they have it all- IP TV, broadband, GSM | 22:06 |
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| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: thanks - i'm getting the whole experience. rain all days while we're there | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:06 |
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| alexbez | Cosmo: they do have ADSL broadband, too. In fact, we are talking with you through one of those Elisa ADSL lines | 22:07 |
| Cosmo | cool | 22:07 |
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| Cosmo | my ISP are alright as long as you never have to phone them | 22:07 |
| alexbez | same here! | 22:07 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: how familiar... | 22:08 |
| Cosmo | basically going "it's your fault that your line is broken in an area the public are not allowed" | 22:08 |
| rontti | I don't know my ISP | 22:08 |
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| Cosmo | Hustler TV 8,20 €/month | 22:08 |
| Cosmo | >.> | 22:08 |
| Cosmo | <.< | 22:08 |
| alexbez | rontti: this is the best reference any ISP can have! When customers do not have to care who the heck is their ISP | 22:09 |
| lcuk | Cosmo, are you surprised its so cheap, or so expensive? | 22:09 |
| Cosmo | cheap | 22:09 |
| Cosmo | Russia is 15 € / month | 22:09 |
| lcuk | in soviet russia, models pay you to watch | 22:09 |
| rontti | My employer will pay so I don't care | 22:09 |
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| Cosmo | even if they're paying for crap? | 22:10 |
| rontti | My connection is good enough for me so its not crap | 22:11 |
| * alexbez wonders why his employer doesn't pay for him to watch Russian models?... perhaps, because I'm Russian? | 22:11 | |
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| Cosmo | I assumed Russia was just a russian channel package | 22:11 |
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| rontti | Heh, my ISP seems to be nebula | 22:13 |
| * alexbez watches DawnFoster 's twits on his other laptop and enjoys a stereoscopic effect | 22:13 | |
| DawnFoster | alexbez: and now, I really am going to go take that walk during my newly free lunch hour :) | 22:14 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, how far can you get in your dinner walk? i used to go wandering round local park at old spot | 22:14 |
| lcuk | now its commonly round supermarket with tracy for dinner | 22:14 |
| alexbez | DawnFoster: It's good to be you, indeed :-) | 22:14 |
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| DawnFoster | lcuk: depends. This is going to be a short walk around the building (maybe a mile). I like to do 3-4 mile runs over lunch, but I've slipped out of that habit recently. | 22:15 |
| lcuk | wow even a mile walk around a building is big | 22:16 |
| lcuk | you could almost do internal marathons :D | 22:16 |
| lcuk | and are there enough people in your building to make a mile long looping conga line :D | 22:16 |
| cure` | runs over lunch wow | 22:17 |
| cure` | every day? | 22:17 |
| DawnFoster | Well, it's actually a 5 building Intel campus that I walk around :) | 22:17 |
| DawnFoster | cure: This summer I was - I'm going to try to get back in the habit now that spring is approaching. | 22:17 |
| DawnFoster | ok, no more questions. I'm walking away from my desk and out the door :) | 22:18 |
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| cure` | 3-4 miles a day is alot in a week | 22:18 |
| cure` | run a bit myself | 22:18 |
| lcuk | tekojo, are you keeping up with your running? how have the 5finger toe boots done now the snow has gone? | 22:18 |
| tekojo | lcuk yes, getting better all the time :) | 22:19 |
| tekojo | I talked danielwilms into barefoot running too | 22:19 |
| lcuk | i bet a run around the NRC would do a mile without going outside | 22:19 |
| tekojo | but he has a proper background in running | 22:19 |
| lcuk | haha cool | 22:19 |
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| tekojo | anyway, now I can do 10 km with 5:20 mins/km without being completely drained at the end | 22:20 |
| rontti | I thought that for example bike was invented so that people don't have to run :)¨ | 22:20 |
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| GAN900 | DawnFoster, that's what N900s are for, you iPhone user! | 22:20 |
| lcuk | wow tekojo impressive | 22:20 |
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| tekojo | rontti I'm going the other way round :) | 22:20 |
| lcuk | do you just do road running, or cross country? | 22:21 |
| tekojo | still road, the forest is really wet still :( | 22:21 |
| Cosmo | tekojo: where are you? | 22:21 |
| tekojo | Helsinki | 22:21 |
| lcuk | my missus is doing a charity fun run this year again :) | 22:21 |
| tekojo | those are good targets, keep people going | 22:22 |
| Cosmo | after my assignments I want to bike more | 22:22 |
| rontti | Now when blue busses won't drive in Helsinki running is quite good option | 22:22 |
| lcuk | yeah indeed | 22:22 |
| Cosmo | I like biking :) | 22:22 |
| lcuk | Cosmo, biking is fun, but people give you funny looks when you ride down the corridors | 22:22 |
| tekojo | Cosmo me too, the current way is to bike one morning to work, run home, run to work next morning and bike home | 22:23 |
| Cosmo | I go onto google maps and plan out routes | 22:23 |
| Cosmo | I'll do my regular route and then see how to extend it | 22:23 |
| Cosmo | google maps doesn't tell you it's a bloody steep hill :( | 22:24 |
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| tekojo | :D | 22:24 |
| lcuk | Cosmo, they should publish chuck norris's cycling routes | 22:25 |
| Cosmo | coming down is fun but stopping is an issule | 22:25 |
| lcuk | god forbid any mountain gets in his way | 22:25 |
| Cosmo | especailly when the van coming towards you doesn't slow | 22:25 |
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| RST38h | You do know there is an OpenCycleMap? | 22:30 |
| RST38h | and Maep even supports it | 22:31 |
| puffin | bikely.com will show you elevation. | 22:31 |
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| Cosmo | I've done 3Km in 12 mins one time on the way home from uni | 22:32 |
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| tekojo | Good night | 22:34 |
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| Stskeeps | nite | 22:34 |
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| Cosmo | bye oh dammit | 22:38 |
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| brbrr | hi | 22:41 |
| brbrr | how can i use liveusb to look on meego? | 22:42 |
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| Cosmo | hello | 22:42 |
| Cosmo | how do you mean? | 22:42 |
| Cosmo | you mean you want to put the liveusb image onto a usb stick to try it on your computer? | 22:42 |
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| brbrr | i had made lifeusb but when i load it and select to boot livecd it just start conslose and no gui | 22:43 |
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| brbrr | Cosmo: yes. i did it. but when i load form usb stick it just drop me to console login screen | 22:44 |
| Cosmo | that is correct | 22:44 |
| Cosmo | the username is "root" and the password is "meego" | 22:44 |
| brbrr | ok | 22:44 |
| brbrr | and how to start gui? | 22:44 |
| Cosmo | i think there is a way to install a GUI but I'm not sure | 22:44 |
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| brbrr | what comand i can use to start/install gui? | 22:45 |
| Cosmo | sudo yum groupinstall "Development Tools" "Moblin Desktop Development" | 22:45 |
| Cosmo | the latter is the desktop | 22:46 |
| Cosmo | i think | 22:46 |
| slaine | yum groupinstall "MeeGo Desktop" I'd imagine | 22:46 |
| Cosmo | I'll try it on my VM | 22:47 |
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| slaine | Cosmo: there's nothing there atm to the best of my knowledge | 22:48 |
| brbrr | so i need to download pakages for look on moblin? | 22:48 |
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| slaine | brbrr: what are you trying to do ? | 22:48 |
| brbrr | slaine: i try to look from liveusb on meego gui.just try it | 22:49 |
| slaine | brbrr: There is none | 22:49 |
| slaine | It's not available in public yet | 22:49 |
| slaine | the GUI that is | 22:50 |
| brbrr | but moblin& | 22:50 |
| brbrr | ? | 22:50 |
| slaine | meego != moblin | 22:50 |
| slaine | it's moblin + maemo | 22:50 |
| slaine | GUI will probably be the same from moblin, but further refined, at least on the netbook release | 22:50 |
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| Cosmo | I think 1.0 will have the moblin interface since they are working on the core / backend | 22:51 |
| slaine | What would have been Moblin 2.2 | 22:51 |
| brbrr | so at this moment meego haven any GUI? | 22:51 |
| brbrr | as default | 22:51 |
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| Stskeeps | xterm's a gui | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:52 |
| brbrr | nice :D | 22:52 |
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| slaine | Stskeeps: last I tried, xterm didn't even work on the x86 release | 22:52 |
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| Cosmo | I go | 22:53 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: btw, I was wrong, that big loop around the Intel campus is 1.6 miles. It was a nice walk :) | 22:53 |
| Cosmo | I forgot, meego doesn't like my VM | 22:53 |
| slaine | and i don't think they've updated the released images | 22:53 |
| brbrr | then will wait for future releases | 22:53 |
| slaine | brbrr, hopefully there'll be something in the next 33 days ;) | 22:53 |
| slaine | Right, I'm gonna head home, been here far far too long | 22:54 |
| slaine | catch you all tomorrow, except Stskeeps, 'cause he's on a road trip | 22:54 |
| Cosmo | 9pm already | 22:54 |
| slaine | I'm gonna miss the bus, damn | 22:54 |
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| Corsac | road trips rock | 22:54 |
| brbrr | 33 looks not so bad. but realy now is too many netbook oriented distros | 22:55 |
| lcuk | haha DawnFoster | 22:55 |
| lcuk | whats the official name for the little meego characters? | 22:55 |
| thiago_home | "dudes" | 22:55 |
| lcuk | i think of them as meegoids | 22:55 |
| thiago_home | :-P | 22:55 |
| brbrr | ;D | 22:55 |
| lcuk | thiago_home, i just had someone say they have to be female | 22:55 |
| lcuk | so dudes doesnt work | 22:55 |
| thiago_home | dudettes? | 22:56 |
| thiago_home | how about the one with eyepatch? | 22:56 |
| lcuk | generic term required | 22:56 |
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| lcuk | "animated 3d meego characters" is a bit long winded | 22:56 |
| lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=632078#post632078 | 22:56 |
| lcuk | i cross posted what im trying to do on meego and maemo | 22:56 |
| lcuk | so far i nthe 5 minutes since posting on maemo ive had 100% more response!!! | 22:57 |
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| w00t_ | Jaffa: thankyou, for being one of the few sane people on that ML today! | 23:34 |
| w00t_ | :) | 23:34 |
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| Jaffa | :) | 23:34 |
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| Jaffa | w00t_: The threrad didn't seem to be going anywhere sensible :) | 23:34 |
| * Jaffa had had a feew drinks and is typing over sSH on a dodgy 2.5G connection. | 23:35 | |
| w00t_ | which is responsible for the typos? *g* | 23:35 |
| Jaffa | Both. Honest. | 23:37 |
| Jaffa | Oh, and on an N900 keyboard! | 23:37 |
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| lbt | Jaffa: nod... +1 | 23:43 |
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| Jaffa | Two positive replies on meego-* in one day. I must be cooking on gas... | 23:44 |
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| * lbt is pleased that there's movement on the RWG.... but I still think "Surrounds" is a nice name | 23:45 | |
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| thiago_home | Souds? | 23:45 |
| lbt | Souds? | 23:46 |
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| Cosmo | cheesecake? | 23:46 |
| Jaffa | Jemima? | 23:46 |
| * lbt wonders if thiago_home has got an N900... | 23:46 | |
| Jaffa | Is this word association? ;) | 23:47 |
| thiago_home | I meant Sounds | 23:47 |
| Jartza | I have N800 :) | 23:47 |
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| lbt | thiago_home: I wonder if you misread Surrounds | 23:47 |
| lbt | ah... | 23:47 |
| thiago_home | Surrounds Sounds :-P | 23:47 |
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| lbt | <groan> | 23:48 |
| lbt | when I realised I was hoping it would never be said.. | 23:48 |
| Jaffa | Oh dear. | 23:48 |
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| lbt | in protest GAN900 ? | 23:48 |
| w00t_ | hahah | 23:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Switching to the irssi proxy. . . . | 23:49 |
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| * GeneralAntilles needs to move the proxy to another machine. | 23:49 | |
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| lbt | shit | 23:53 |
| lbt | I think I just took down the eth0 on a remote host | 23:53 |
| w00t_ | I hate when that happens | 23:53 |
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| lbt | what time is it in finland... | 23:54 |
| lbt | I wonder if they have alarms and pagers.... | 23:54 |
| w00t_ | that kind of server, eh | 23:55 |
| lbt | it wasn't commissioned yet | 23:55 |
| thiago_home | 23:55 now | 23:55 |
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| lbt | ah well, I'll do something else then | 23:57 |
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