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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 01:17 |
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| CosmoHill | any C++ gods in here? | 02:17 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, you might be being too specific | 02:19 |
| CosmoHill | http://linuxfromscratch.pastebin.com/Dy0RtVEk | 02:20 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, you misspelt the parameter in the constructor | 02:23 |
| lcuk | so its using the uninitialised default to initialise itself | 02:23 |
| CosmoHill | you can not hear the flilth coming out of my mouth at the moment | 02:23 |
| w00t_ | (assuming you're using gcc, look into using -Wshadow - it would have caught that error) | 02:23 |
| lcuk | :) | 02:24 |
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| CosmoHill | that was taken my freaking hours | 02:24 |
| lcuk | hey w00t_ | 02:24 |
| lcuk | i hear you have a gsoc stdent this year | 02:24 |
| w00t_ | lcuk: you know how you and I talked about unit tests? http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/merge_requests/575 :) | 02:24 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, standard procedure for me to notice lol | 02:24 |
| lcuk | :) good w00t_ | 02:25 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, thats the sort of thing thats put into exam questions | 02:25 |
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| * CosmoHill glares at lcuk | 02:29 | |
| lcuk | lol CosmoHill its just natural for me to notice | 02:30 |
| lcuk | as soon as i read the problem definition i saw it :P | 02:30 |
| w00t_ | fwiw I've had this happen to me too before, so you're not alone | 02:30 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, the "hard" ones are gateposting/off by 1 errors in large formulas hit infreuqnetly | 02:31 |
| lcuk | (think blitter/stretchblit routines) | 02:31 |
| lcuk | and for info - i never give parameters the same name as the private members within | 02:32 |
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| lcuk | con(unsigned int acharacterid, ...) | 02:32 |
| lcuk | makes sure it never happens accidentally | 02:32 |
| * w00t_ uses prefixing for members (like m_), nowdays, useful habit for avoiding exactly this | 02:33 | |
| lcuk | yeah same effect | 02:33 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, when all else fails, blast it with printfs (or equiv) | 02:34 |
| CosmoHill | oh i have | 02:34 |
| CosmoHill | I've been catching through 5 classes | 02:34 |
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| lcuk | evening DawnFoster \o | 02:39 |
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| lcuk | or no | 02:40 |
| lcuk | t | 02:40 |
| CosmoHill | lol | 02:40 |
| w00t_ | hah | 02:40 |
| w00t_ | you scared her off lcuk | 02:40 |
| lcuk | i have a feeling she will return | 02:41 |
| lcuk | :p | 02:41 |
| w00t_ | nah | 02:41 |
| w00t_ | i'd be like "oh crap he's here" *run* | 02:41 |
| w00t_ | :p | 02:41 |
| * lcuk nods | 02:42 | |
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| CosmoHill | she'll return...with weapons this time | 02:43 |
| lcuk | heh | 02:44 |
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| CosmoHill | navigation.hpp:84: error: extra qualification ‘locationClass::’ on member ‘giveItems’ | 02:58 |
| CosmoHill | make: *** [main.o] Error 1 | 02:58 |
| CosmoHill | hmm | 02:58 |
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| efraim | hi | 03:01 |
| efraim | how can i write the meego usbimage? | 03:02 |
| efraim | i have lenovo netbook | 03:02 |
| Robot101 | efraim: you don't want it atm, there's no UI that's been released yet | 03:02 |
| Robot101 | efraim: you will just get a blank screen with an X terminal | 03:03 |
| efraim | ohhh | 03:03 |
| efraim | i see a video | 03:03 |
| efraim | nice interface | 03:04 |
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| lcuk | meego Linux hacker UX | 03:05 |
| efraim | hummm | 03:05 |
| efraim | the video is official INTEL VIDEO | 03:05 |
| Robot101 | efraim: it's not released yet | 03:06 |
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| CosmoHill | 84 bool locationClass::giveItems(playerClass * playerP, string name); | 03:06 |
| CosmoHill | how did my gcc not see that | 03:06 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 03:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | does meego have an intel rootfs? | 07:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | but i don't have a working build env, i'm hoping to be able to download a single file which gives me a rootfs for i386 (or i586, i'm not very picky) | 08:03 |
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| lbt | o/ | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | morning lbt | 10:09 |
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| Stskeeps | morning slaine | 12:09 |
| slaine | morning Stskeeps | 12:10 |
| slaine | more meetings :( | 12:10 |
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| wazd | hello people | 12:20 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: heya :) | 12:24 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 12:25 |
| Termana | Good morning Jaffa | 12:25 |
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| XS3_ | can someone help me out with tutorials for meego? | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | making or getting? | 15:20 |
| XS3_ | getting | 15:20 |
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| Stskeeps | on what level? app development? | 15:22 |
| XS3_ | yeah app development | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | look at qt tutorials | 15:22 |
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| XS3_ | same library? | 15:23 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | qt sdk should work for meego eventually | 15:24 |
| XS3_ | so just the header files need to be changed? | 15:25 |
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| Stskeeps | not really, qt is a api you can build against :) | 15:27 |
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| XS3_ | okay | 15:28 |
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| XS3_ | so incase i want to export it to another platform later? | 15:28 |
| XS3_ | will that be posible? | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | if it runs qt :) | 15:29 |
| XS3_ | hehe | 15:29 |
| XS3_ | thats true | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | can write against qt on meego and recompile it for qt on symbian if you want | 15:29 |
| XS3_ | so say n900.will it support? | 15:29 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, qt4.6's coming in PR1.2 | 15:29 |
| XS3_ | okay | 15:30 |
| XS3_ | by symbian you mean older editions like S60 3rd? | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | go check out http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/04/27/nokia-rolls-out-qt-sdk-for-unified-mobile-developer-experience/ | 15:30 |
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| XS3_ | thats great news | 15:33 |
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| Anss| | that video was pretty good too, with some n8/n900 video in it. | 15:40 |
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| Anss| | n8 looks very interesting device indeed. | 15:41 |
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| slaine | I always thought the n810 was a great device | 15:42 |
| slaine | I would have liked to see that form factor develop further | 15:42 |
| slaine | The promise of MID's has yet to be fulfilled | 15:42 |
| slaine | and probably won't be now | 15:43 |
| Anss| | pitty that it did not have good opengl drivers | 15:43 |
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| slaine | Hopefully we'll see a moorsetown version shortly :) | 15:44 |
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| WAHa_06x36 | hmm, I should take another shot at getting meego running on a beagleboard. | 17:05 |
| WAHa_06x36 | what are the exact requirements for the kernel used? | 17:05 |
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| WAHa_06x36 | when I tried it with an ånström kernel it ran for a bit and then the boot process just stopped. | 17:06 |
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| Stskeeps | WAHa_06x36: if you have watchdogs, you need to add support | 17:06 |
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| WAHa_06x36 | Stskeeps: where? | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: got a minute? | 17:09 |
| slaine | sure | 17:09 |
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| Stskeeps | WAHa_06x36: ok, so, does it reboot if you do init=/bin/sh ? | 17:11 |
| WAHa_06x36 | in the boot arguments? let's see... | 17:11 |
| * lbt was looking at btrfs | 17:12 | |
| lbt | it looks pretty unsuitable for small devices | 17:12 |
| lbt | for a 1Gb partition it uses 269M in metadata | 17:13 |
| lbt | asking on btrfs that "sounds about right" | 17:13 |
| lbt | also, until 2.6.34 there's a bug which, AFAICT, doubles metadata usage | 17:14 |
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| koupsaa | waouh 296M ! | 17:14 |
| slaine | lbt, that's more space than my minimal moblin install takes up | 17:15 |
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| WAHa_06x36 | Stskeeps: ALMOST the same thing happens. | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | WAHa_06x36: hmm | 17:17 |
| WAHa_06x36 | Stskeeps: with init=/bin/sh it stops at "Freeing init memory: 180K" | 17:17 |
| WAHa_06x36 | Stskeeps: without it, it stops there, and then half a second later there's a "omap_wdt: Unexpected close, not stopping!" | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | WAHa_06x36: what's your kernel cmdline? | 17:17 |
| WAHa_06x36 | that might just be random timing, I guess. | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | nah, watchdogs prolly | 17:17 |
| slaine | is the initrd being found ? | 17:17 |
| WAHa_06x36 | console=ttyS2,115200n8 console=tty0 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rw rootfstype=ext3 rootwait omapfb.video_mode=1024x768MR-16@60 | 17:17 |
| slaine | that usually happens when it can't find a root fs | 17:18 |
| ShadowJK | lbt, ext4 looks kinda tolerable in my latency tests | 17:18 |
| WAHa_06x36 | this is just copypasted from Ångström instructions. | 17:18 |
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| ShadowJK | but the resiots of tiobench looks so good it's probably lie ;p | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | WAHa_06x36: ok, so, it shows kernel output where? | 17:19 |
| WAHa_06x36 | Stskeeps: on the serial port. | 17:19 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm | 17:19 |
| WAHa_06x36 | I'll try to grab a copy of all of it. | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | WAHa_06x36: well, it's watchdogs causing i guess | 17:19 |
| WAHa_06x36 | http://pastebin.com/RRJJrvyp is the full output. | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | do you use a initrd? | 17:21 |
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| WAHa_06x36 | Stskeeps: I am just using whatever is on the downloadable meego filesystem, and loading the kernel through u-boot. | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | WAHa_06x36: open or closed image? | 17:23 |
| WAHa_06x36 | Stskeeps: not sure what that refers to. | 17:23 |
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| Stskeeps | tablets-dev.nokia.com or repo.meego.com downloaded | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:23 |
| WAHa_06x36 | Stskeeps: meego.com, then. | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | k, open image | 17:24 |
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| Stskeeps | WAHa_06x36: it looks like a watchdog reboot, so we need to disable that in kernel i guess or make a wd kicker | 17:27 |
| WAHa_06x36 | Stskeeps: well, it stops for quite a long time at that point before actually rebooting. not sure if that means it's the watchdog. | 17:28 |
| WAHa_06x36 | like a minute or so. | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | 60s is fairly normal value | 17:29 |
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| WAHa_06x36 | (also, of course, it boots fine with an Ångström filesystem) | 17:29 |
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| slaine | It looks like its not finding the rootfs and just sitting there. I'm surprised there's no error message | 17:31 |
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| WAHa_06x36 | oh. | 17:33 |
| WAHa_06x36 | OH. | 17:33 |
| WAHa_06x36 | I saw a note about the framebuffer in the bootup. | 17:33 |
| WAHa_06x36 | so I actually connected a monitor. | 17:33 |
| WAHa_06x36 | and it's showing a bash prompt! | 17:34 |
| WAHa_06x36 | for a while, I guess until the idle timout hits and it closes, and reboots. | 17:34 |
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| WAHa_06x36 | for some reason, it is not bothering to start any kind of login on the serial console. | 17:34 |
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| WAHa_06x36 | that's not terribly useful since I don't have a keyboard, though. | 17:36 |
| WAHa_06x36 | but it is a much less mysterious problem. | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | inittab | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | remove the console=tty0 for now i guess | 17:37 |
| WAHa_06x36 | I suppose I should enable the getty line for serial, too. | 17:38 |
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| WAHa_06x36 | wait, it is enabled, but it's on ttyS0 and the bootargs say ttyS2. | 17:39 |
| WAHa_06x36 | I'll try changing that. | 17:39 |
| WAHa_06x36 | that worked, now I have a login prompt. | 17:41 |
| WAHa_06x36 | that I can't log into because I don't know any passwords! | 17:41 |
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| WAHa_06x36 | also it reboots after a while, which I guess is the watchdog. | 17:42 |
| WAHa_06x36 | so what are those logins? | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | root/meego | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | check your monitor for an xterm | 17:44 |
| WAHa_06x36 | root/meego doesn't seem to work. | 17:45 |
| WAHa_06x36 | also the monitor shows an xterm, but it's not much use without a keyboard. | 17:45 |
| glinpus | root logins may not be enabled on the serial port | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | etc/securetty | 17:46 |
| lbt | ShadowJK: OK, I'll try that... | 17:47 |
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| WAHa_06x36 | Stskeeps: all right, that worked. | 17:50 |
| WAHa_06x36 | now I just need to find out how to keep the watchdog from killing the system. | 17:50 |
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| Termana | WAHa_06x36: Isn't Beagleboard mainlined? If you use a later kernel, it uses an OMAP watchdog driver that is like a normal watchdog and doesn't need kicking | 18:08 |
| lcuk | thiago, :D http://liqbase.net/lego/lego.htm | 18:09 |
| WAHa_06x36 | Termana: this is .32, if it matters. | 18:09 |
| WAHa_06x36 | also, it clearly needs SOMETHING done to it, since it's rebooting the system. | 18:09 |
| thiago_home | lcuk: :-) | 18:10 |
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| w00t_ | lcuk: awesome. | 18:13 |
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| lcuk | w00t_, they are trying to choose a suitable handheld device that fits their hands :D | 18:13 |
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| lcuk | stylus works well lol | 18:14 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk nice! | 18:14 |
| Termana | DawnFoster: Quick pm? | 18:15 |
| DawnFoster | sure | 18:15 |
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| slaine | WAHa_06x36: is there a /dev/watchdog ? | 18:20 |
| slaine | you probably just have to write to that every 20 seconds or so | 18:20 |
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| WAHa_06x36 | slaine: yes, and writing to it gets another "omap_wdt: Unexpected close, not stopping!" | 18:24 |
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| TSCHAKeee | slaine: what device were you talking about earlier? I lost the top part of my scrollback.. :P | 18:25 |
| WAHa_06x36 | slaine: also, writing to it does seem to keep the system alive, but it also keeps spewing that line. | 18:26 |
| WAHa_06x36 | slaine: there's got to be a way to turn it off, since Ångström seems to manage it. | 18:27 |
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| bspencer | DawnFoster: I saw your email. I'll reply. I just got email back after about a week | 18:45 |
| DawnFoster | thanks bspencer! | 18:46 |
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| * lbt replies on the RWG/Surrounds Group/Downloads Group thread... | 19:05 | |
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| lbt | and then goes back to the community autobuilder ... which really isn't a part of "Downloads" and really has nothing to do with end-users... although it *is* part of the community Surrounds... | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | what's wrong with 'Extras'? :P | 19:06 |
| lbt | not a lot - but it means something already | 19:06 |
| lbt | I'm only objecting to "Downloads"... | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | i vote for MeeGo X2 as name for it | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:07 |
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| w00t_ | R2D2 | 19:07 |
| lbt | I think we should be careful about what we're naming | 19:07 |
| lbt | it's the name of a meeting | 19:08 |
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| lbt | I really don't want it to be the "garage working group" or the "Extras working group" | 19:09 |
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| lbt | depending on the url of the relevant service | 19:09 |
| lbt | I want it to be "the user application and community library suite QA and policy committee" | 19:09 |
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| lbt | or something equally non-commital towards branding | 19:10 |
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| javispedro | name memory overflow | 19:11 |
| lbt | yeah, I'm lazy ... so one word that says "not core" and "the rest of the crap" does me fine | 19:12 |
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| lbt | mainly "not core" ... so it's not owned by a bunch of Intel/Nokia employees on internal lists with marketing vetos over what can be done | 19:12 |
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| lbt | (Not that I'm against that - I just want to be clear that this isn't it) | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | 'Land of ze crazies' | 19:13 |
| javispedro | The Suburbs | 19:13 |
| lbt | meh, getting fed up about it all | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | Meegoville | 19:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | The People Whose Opinions Aren't Relevant *eg* | 19:14 |
| lbt | <grin> | 19:14 |
| w00t_ | 'cannon fodder' | 19:14 |
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| slaine | lbt, What about Eco, as in Eco System | 19:18 |
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| GAN900 | Eco as in "These people are probably useful for marketting purposes. Much like that trendy Green crap." | 19:19 |
| lbt | that works | 19:19 |
| * lbt is loving the cynicism tonight :) | 19:20 | |
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| RST38h | GAN900 <-- bitter =) | 19:21 |
| slaine | lbt, I'll make a formal proposal via the list then | 19:21 |
| slaine | see if anyone else bites | 19:22 |
| RST38h | On the other hand, they are a large corporation. do you expect them to be sociable or even reasonable? | 19:22 |
| lbt | there's not a huge amount of interest is there. | 19:22 |
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| slaine | ah feck, I did a reply all again | 19:23 |
| slaine | sorry | 19:23 |
| lbt | I always reply-all to dev lists | 19:23 |
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| slaine | someone gave out to me for doing it (only because I gave out to them for thread hijacking) | 19:23 |
| lbt | devs have the ability to setup email filters | 19:23 |
| slaine | nod | 19:23 |
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| lbt | mails with me in the To: go to my inbox - otherwise filed into the list folder | 19:24 |
| slaine | same here | 19:24 |
| slaine | good old maildrop | 19:24 |
| lbt | seive :) | 19:24 |
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| w00t_ | I can't help but read 'meeeco' | 19:25 |
| w00t_ | hehe | 19:25 |
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| lcuk | lbt, the Meego Extras Applications Meeting Organisation - MAEMO for short :p | 19:27 |
| lbt | dare you | 19:27 |
| lcuk | heh | 19:27 |
| slaine | lol | 19:27 |
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| * lbt waits to see if working down south has softened him up.... | 19:28 | |
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| slaine | souther pansy | 19:28 |
| slaine | ^n | 19:28 |
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| CosmoHill | s | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | GAN is actualy encrypted 'HAL' | 21:56 |
| javispedro | HAL9000+1, interesting model. | 21:57 |
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| slono[n800] | -.- | 21:58 |
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| bogie11 | great movie too | 22:08 |
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| CosmoHill | GAN9001? | 22:09 |
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| * Stskeeps too | 22:21 | |
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| Stskeeps | even though i'm tempted to hack till late night as i will be in a car towards .dk thursday | 22:21 |
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| CosmoHill | Makefile:31: *** missing separator. Stop. | 22:30 |
| CosmoHill | :( | 22:30 |
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| * lbt googles a problem and finds his own page... <sigh> | 22:32 | |
| Zeikko | lbt: :D | 22:32 |
| * CosmoHill pets lbt | 22:32 | |
| Zeikko | You should know the solution then, right? | 22:33 |
| lbt | if only... | 22:33 |
| javispedro | conclusion: never never ever post your questions before googling answers for them. | 22:33 |
| CosmoHill | 3. removing the extension doesnt make it a folder, god i hate windows. | 22:34 |
| CosmoHill | lol | 22:34 |
| Zeikko | Who would want that? :D | 22:34 |
| RST38h | some people can't google | 22:34 |
| RST38h | they swear they type "exactly the same terms" into google and it returns nthing | 22:35 |
| CosmoHill | i'm reading a thread about it | 22:35 |
| CosmoHill | RST38h: further down the page is "what is VIM?" | 22:35 |
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| slaine | I had a great one today | 22:35 |
| CosmoHill | thats because there are no results with line 31! | 22:35 |
| slaine | "Whats a network cable" | 22:35 |
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| slaine | I ran screaming | 22:35 |
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| * lbt googles $1$wYJUgpM5$RXMMeASDc035eX.NbYWFl0 | 22:36 | |
| suihkulokki | hey, that's my passwords hash! | 22:37 |
| lbt | let me check... what's your password | 22:38 |
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| suihkulokki | <g> | 22:39 |
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| CosmoHill | slaine: should have stangled them with one | 22:40 |
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| CosmoHill | "THIS IS AN RJ45 UTP CAT6 BITCH!" | 22:41 |
| slaine | lol | 22:41 |
| slaine | and with that, I'm outta here | 22:42 |
| slaine | catch you all tomorrow | 22:42 |
| lbt | suihkulokki: you have "linux" as your pw? bad boy! | 22:42 |
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| CosmoHill | anyone wanna see my makefile and help me? :) | 22:43 |
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| lbt | pastebin it | 22:45 |
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| CosmoHill | does meego have it's own pastebin? | 22:48 |
| CosmoHill | http://linuxfromscratch.pastebin.com/b2K5p5nh | 22:48 |
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| lbt | you know makefiles use TAB to indent... | 22:49 |
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| CosmoHill | if you remove the last two lines it works fine | 22:50 |
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| CosmoHill | son of a bitch | 22:51 |
| CosmoHill | thanks lbt | 22:51 |
| RST38h | Cosmo: you used spaces instead of tabs there | 22:51 |
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| CosmoHill | my text editor was set to soft tabs | 22:51 |
| CosmoHill | which converts tabs to spaces when you enter them | 22:51 |
| lbt | use emacs | 22:51 |
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| tripzero | ew, soft tabs sux | 22:52 |
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| CosmoHill | thanks guy :) | 22:53 |
| CosmoHill | do I want to wrap the install and uninstall in #ifndef WIN32 | 22:55 |
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| CosmoHill | if we have ninja ops, how true is this: http://www.little-gamers.com/2010/04/12/show-mercy-i-am-playing-ffxiii/ | 23:44 |
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