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| CosmoHill | wb people | 00:05 |
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| slaine | right, catch you lot tomorrow | 00:14 |
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| luist | hey is there an image for meego already? | 00:16 |
| CosmoHill | there is one | 00:16 |
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| CosmoHill | luist: x86 or ARM? | 00:17 |
| luist | x86 | 00:17 |
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| thiago_home | and ARM | 00:18 |
| CosmoHill | luist: what processor do you have? | 00:19 |
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| lbt | hey DawnFoster :) .... kudos to Harri on the -dev list... | 00:20 |
| DawnFoster | hey lbt | 00:20 |
| DawnFoster | yeah, that was great | 00:20 |
| CosmoHill | link me! | 00:20 |
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| lbt | http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-April/001792.html | 00:21 |
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| luist | CosmoHill, some classmate from intel... | 00:22 |
| luist | CosmoHill, used to run moblin perfectly | 00:22 |
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| CosmoHill | luist: then you should be able to run meego | 00:24 |
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| luist | CosmoHill, yeah.. where do i get an image :) | 00:25 |
| CosmoHill | I'm actually looking for it for you | 00:25 |
| luist | CosmoHill, is there an application similar to moblin-app-installer? | 00:25 |
| CosmoHill | just be happy if you have a mouse cursor :) | 00:26 |
| CosmoHill | I have some bad news, the repo is down so you can't get the image | 00:26 |
| CosmoHill | i have some good news, I retract my previous statment | 00:26 |
| CosmoHill | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/trunk/images/meego-preview-netbook-core-20100330-001.usbimg | 00:27 |
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| luist | CosmoHill, ahaha thanks | 00:30 |
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| CosmoHill | http://black-flag.co.uk/files/RHEL6-2.jpg | 00:34 |
| CosmoHill | http://black-flag.co.uk/files/RHEL6-1.jpg | 00:34 |
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| CosmoHill | I've installed RHEL but not the boot loader | 01:05 |
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| Termana | hey hey | 07:08 |
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| th0br0 | heya. | 10:47 |
| RST38h | heya indeed | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | moo | 10:47 |
| RST38h | Sts: EHLO, I have seen a Meego-N900 progress report on tmo today ;) | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, looks good | 10:48 |
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| TigerTael | link? | 10:49 |
| RST38h | Pretty nice, glad to see someone at Nokia has seen the light | 10:49 |
| thiago_home | more to come | 10:49 |
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| Stskeeps | TigerTael: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50763 , and meego-dev too | 10:50 |
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| TigerTael | Thanks. | 10:53 |
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| Gla | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt-d8pB8QvI lol | 11:00 |
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| user_ | hi guys ,new to this mobile platform. i am good programmer in ruby php, not very good in c++. but looking to dive deeply in. ineed to ask if what else i may need to start development in meego | 11:27 |
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| thiago_home | C++ is not the only way | 11:28 |
| thiago_home | so I recommend you look at your options first | 11:28 |
| user_ | thiago: what could be else? | 11:29 |
| thiago_home | a couple of other technologies, including web | 11:29 |
| user_ | as i said php ruby these are web technologies | 11:32 |
| thiago_home | if you can make apps today for X11, you'll be able to in MeeGo | 11:34 |
| thiago_home | but I was thinking more of client-side web technologies, not server-side | 11:34 |
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| user_ | well couldn't for x11 yet | 11:35 |
| user_ | i would appriciate your expert advice | 11:36 |
| thiago_home | I can't give you *expert* advice | 11:37 |
| thiago_home | I can give you stupid advice only | 11:37 |
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| user_ | i would even appriciate | 11:39 |
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| zenvoid | ruby has good Qt bindings | 11:46 |
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| Tumi_ | hey, is there or going to be pyside on the MeeGo? | 11:50 |
| thiago_home | if someone packages and uses it, yes | 11:51 |
| Tumi_ | I'd really hope so as it looks quite promising | 11:51 |
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| ninan | Hi. How "official" where the videos from IDF found on youtube in the last days? The web site doesn´t reflect any progress on meego but the videos show 1.0 on several devices? | 13:41 |
| ninan | s/where/were/ | 13:41 |
| infobot | ninan meant: Hi. How "official" were the videos from IDF found on youtube in the last days? The web site doesn´t reflect any progress on meego but the videos show 1.0 on several devices? | 13:41 |
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| Stskeeps | ninan: it really looked like that someone had an idea to present this brand new meego thing and not coordinated :P | 13:47 |
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| Stskeeps | frankly, it looked more like moblin 2.2 | 13:49 |
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| slaine | Stskeeps: but isn't that MeeGo 1.0 for netbooks is ? | 13:49 |
| ninan | stskeeps Yes. IDF attendee shows it off and nokia registers N8 tablet at fcc. Funny times. | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | ninan: N8 tablet? | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: perhaps, but i don't know | 13:50 |
| ninan | stskeeps rumors, just rumors. :-) | 13:50 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: yes, it is | 13:50 |
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| Stskeeps | ninan: i think there might be a good reason for a meego marketing wg to synchronize efforts | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:50 |
| slaine | That's why I was so peeved about the repo's being taken off-line and us being told that the UX wasn't ready | 13:51 |
| slaine | It was already out there up 'til late february. | 13:51 |
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| slaine | I was even working on patches for the code | 13:51 |
| ninan | I think lf should get Grey Powell into the OsmocomBB and use that for baseband. :-) | 13:53 |
| ninan | He might need a job | 13:53 |
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| ninan | slaine I'm a bit irritated. I thought repos were up science mar 1st? | 13:54 |
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| slaine | ninan, No | 13:54 |
| slaine | Core OS repo's are available since March 31st | 13:55 |
| slaine | But the mutter-moblin code is still no where to be seen and the git repo hasn't been put back online | 13:55 |
| slaine | We're all a bit irritated, but we just have to wait | 13:56 |
| slaine | We'll probably be allowed test a Beta in the next week or two and a final release for end of May | 13:56 |
| ninan | slaine probably. | 13:56 |
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| postmanPechkin | hi | 13:57 |
| slaine | But I would have liked to help with bug fixing and general coding rather than been handed it on a plate | 13:57 |
| slaine | To me, that's what I'm expecting from an open community project | 13:57 |
| ninan | slaine would be great. I hope for products soon. I'm a bit sick of my iPhone and really think about not buying next version since my contract restarts. But I neither want symbian nor android. | 13:57 |
| slaine | I could have the wrong end of the stick as to what Open Community project means of course | 13:57 |
| slaine | I'm more interested in the netbook area (being a Moblin guy), but also SetTopBoxes and I'd love to see a Tegra2 powered MeeGo tablet | 13:58 |
| ninan | slaine how involved is the Linux Foundation into all of this? Actual work or just overviewing and name dropping? | 13:58 |
| slaine | It seems to be the later | 13:58 |
| slaine | don't forget, that Moblin.org was also an LF project | 13:59 |
| ninan | we really should tell Torvalds. :-) | 13:59 |
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| ninan | ok. have to get back to work. Thanks for the chat slaine, Stskeeps | 14:01 |
| slaine | laters | 14:02 |
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| postmanPechkin | sorry, but why const char*::difference_type isn't suitable for c++? | 14:34 |
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| andre | postmanPechkin: const char* is not a class, it has no nested types | 14:40 |
| stalkerg | hello/ | 14:40 |
| Jartza | hi | 14:41 |
| stalkerg | Will the MeeGo on n800? | 14:42 |
| suihkulokki | sentence structure is not | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | stalkerg: maybe, but it is uncertain what kind of UX can be run. | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | and it wont be official for sure :P | 14:46 |
| stalkerg | Ok, thx | 14:47 |
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| stalkerg | Is there a ebuild for mic2? | 14:48 |
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| lbt | anyone here from the Meego build infra? having some cross-compile issues | 14:52 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: dl9pf maybe | 14:58 |
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| dl9pf_ | yes ? | 15:13 |
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| lbt | ROFL | 15:28 |
| lbt | Apple responded in a statement to technology news site CNet in which it described Flash as "closed and proprietary". Apple preferred to support more open standards which replicate everything Flash can do, added the statement. | 15:28 |
| lbt | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8639240.stm | 15:28 |
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| Stskeeps | ah yes | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | doublespeak | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:29 |
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| thiago_home | lbt: you see why we're not moving to support Qt on the iPhone... | 15:42 |
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| slaine | thiago_home: Why are you not moving to support Qt on the iPhone then ? | 15:48 |
| slaine | Section 3.3.1 would have no baring | 15:48 |
| thiago_home | I'll give you a hint: it starts with A | 15:49 |
| thiago_home | ends with "pple" | 15:49 |
| slaine | thiago_home: that's not a reason though | 15:50 |
| slaine | Did apple tell you that you couldn't port Qt to iPhone OS ? | 15:50 |
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| thiago_home | they didn't tell us either that we could | 15:51 |
| thiago_home | the fact that they keep changing the rules *is* the problem | 15:51 |
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| slaine | right | 15:51 |
| slaine | nothing like nokia then | 15:51 |
| * slaine ducks | 15:51 | |
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| achipa | though that did not stop MacOS from being one of the supported platforms :) | 16:02 |
| postmanPechkin | andre: uh, i see, stupid question. | 16:02 |
| slaine | To be honest, I think Apple not allowing Flash on the iPhone is a good thing | 16:03 |
| slaine | I can't stand flash | 16:03 |
| achipa | its an 'the enemy of your enemy' situation at best | 16:04 |
| slaine | I'd rather not see it on Android either | 16:05 |
| slaine | achipa: nod | 16:05 |
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| achipa | thugh... it *would* be interesting to see Qt on Android :) | 16:24 |
| thiago_home | there's a project for that | 16:24 |
| thiago_home | you can already *see* apps | 16:24 |
| achipa | as the real deal, not hobby stuff (with all due respect to our Romanian friend who did that) | 16:25 |
| thiago_home | as for Mac, it's quite open, compared to Apple's other devices | 16:25 |
| thiago_home | you can install apps you download off the net, you know | 16:25 |
| thiago_home | there's no draconian Mac SDK (XCode) agreement to sign | 16:25 |
| thiago_home | but I'd agree with you, I'd rather Flash weren't supported | 16:26 |
| th0br0 | heya. | 16:26 |
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| achipa | well, for better or worse Nokia was very enthusiastic wrt to Flash, even to the point of spending serious money on it... | 16:29 |
| achipa | not sure how much of that enthusiasm remains in the MeeGo timeframe :) | 16:29 |
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| TigerTael | Flash, whilst bloated, isn't going away anytime soon. | 16:38 |
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| red | has anyone tried the N900 with those small speakers you can hook up to portable players that don't require a power source? | 16:55 |
| red | been thinking that I might buy a pair for some beach mp3 playback :) | 16:55 |
| red | just wondering if they are so quite there is no point | 16:56 |
| red | quiet* | 16:56 |
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| jacquesdupontd | hey guys | 18:56 |
| CosmoHill | hello | 18:56 |
| jacquesdupontd | i'm comming to know how is the project going ? | 18:56 |
| thiago_home | slowly but surely | 18:56 |
| jacquesdupontd | ok | 18:57 |
| jacquesdupontd | in fact i had some other questions | 18:57 |
| jacquesdupontd | i'm building and concepting my own tablet | 18:57 |
| jacquesdupontd | and i'm in plain research of the best hardware to choose | 18:57 |
| jacquesdupontd | i'm really hesitating to take beagle + arm | 18:57 |
| jacquesdupontd | i would like a really fast hd tablet | 18:57 |
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| jacquesdupontd | is someone having a website where i could find cards like the beagle one very little where i could put for example an nvidia ion chipset and maybe a dual core arm | 18:58 |
| lcuk | jacquesdupontd, what operating system are you planning for it? | 18:58 |
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| jacquesdupontd | that's the thing, either i'm gonna put my modified kubuntu for fingers that i made | 18:59 |
| lcuk | cool, wheres the source? | 18:59 |
| lcuk | ill try it on my machine | 18:59 |
| jacquesdupontd | cause my tablet will be reconising when it will be comming back near bluetooth keyboard and mouse and automaticly changing the interface to a normal interface | 18:59 |
| jacquesdupontd | that way when you go outside without keyboard and mouse there will be my own fingers friendly useable interface made on the base of kde and debian | 19:00 |
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| jacquesdupontd | and when you come back home you use it as your personnal computer with your keyboard and mouse bluetoothed | 19:01 |
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| TSCHAKeee | lbt: was able to get an adaptor, and hook it up to the joggler | 19:01 |
| jacquesdupontd | and i'm planning a third interface for the kitchen, transforming it to a kitchen pc, that you can paste on the fridge | 19:01 |
| TSCHAKeee | lbt: the service works just fine | 19:01 |
| TSCHAKeee | lbt: but i find myself most puzzled | 19:01 |
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| lcuk | jacquesdupontd, cool, but where can i get it to try it on my tablets? | 19:01 |
| TSCHAKeee | lbt: who did O2 think they were selling this to? | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | kitchen wifes | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | Stskeeps: worst form factor for that ever | 19:02 |
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| jacquesdupontd | lcuk for now i'm still finishing it and i ll give links soon for people who wanna test it and maybe contribute with some ideas | 19:02 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: I got RHEL 6 beta but I can;'t get it to boot cos of the boot loader | 19:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | Stskeeps: the whole form factor for this device makes sense on a nightstand | 19:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | but why... | 19:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | why why why | 19:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | would you do things like watch videos on this thing? | 19:02 |
| CosmoHill | I can get it to boot but no monitor :( | 19:03 |
| jacquesdupontd | my basic idea is to show the price of the tablet built and what is the money i'm taking, and for the tablet to be completly upgradeable a | 19:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | Stskeeps: i swear, people just don't think this shit through. | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | prototype, maybe | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, we love it as a hacking device | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:03 |
| jacquesdupontd | lcuk yeah, wife , you know the story :) | 19:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | Stskeeps: I look at this thing, and the first thing that came to my mind was "clock radio" | 19:03 |
| lcuk | ? jacquesdupontd you just cut sentence in half and changed | 19:04 |
| lcuk | i tohught i got distracted easily | 19:04 |
| lcuk | thought | 19:04 |
| jacquesdupontd | well so anybody's got a linki to give to find the good hardware that i could choose cause the beagle is not enought for me, i would like a nvidia ion plateform little motherboard | 19:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | anyway | 19:04 |
| jacquesdupontd | i'm sure such website must exist | 19:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | OMAP3 isn't enough? | 19:04 |
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| TSCHAKeee | what are you trying to do? | 19:04 |
| glinpus | CosmoHill: it never finishes the install for me, stops at the last package | 19:04 |
| th0br0 | CosmoHill: because of the bootloader o.O? | 19:04 |
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| lcuk | jacquesdupontd, pc world have prices for things | 19:04 |
| jacquesdupontd | lcuk and i wanted to know also how was going the moblin maemo, meego project to see if it could be a good idea to put it on the tablet | 19:04 |
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| CosmoHill | I skipped the boot loader because I already have grub2 installed and working | 19:05 |
| jacquesdupontd | i like the interface very much, it's a perfect for a tablet when you're outside | 19:05 |
| jacquesdupontd | i find it a lot better than android that everybody is advicing me to choose | 19:05 |
| jacquesdupontd | ive tested it and first, everybody's gonna take it so i don't wanna do the same thing, and i want something more clean and simple and fast like moblin, or ubuntu moblin, or meego | 19:06 |
| jacquesdupontd | yeah but i cant find how we call those type of motherboards ? | 19:06 |
| jacquesdupontd | im gonna have to find a place where i can also buy an accelerometers and the best and cheapest multitouch capacitive screen | 19:07 |
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| lcuk | jacquesdupontd, have you got any screenshots of kubuntu with fingers? | 19:09 |
| jacquesdupontd | if anybody is able to help me that would be much appreciated and by the way all people that would like to come in the whole project and see after how everybody could help everybody (thats my principe of work) | 19:09 |
| jacquesdupontd | lcuk no but you can easily make on for yourself | 19:09 |
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| lcuk | ooh do tell? | 19:09 |
| * lcuk wants kubuntu with fingers very muchly :) | 19:09 | |
| jacquesdupontd | lcuk just put everything bigger, a beautiful theme, compiz, download every drivers and touchable software to make it work as you want, and you're done | 19:10 |
| jacquesdupontd | then you can download little software to have those youtube facebook and other stuff shortcuts or make on yourself that's not that hard, i'm building that in xhtml 5 | 19:10 |
| lcuk | why xhtml 5, i thought people in the know were using xhtml 6 nowadays | 19:11 |
| jacquesdupontd | you can have some beautiful effects, that is very light interface and no need to have flash even if i wont be like those other tablet that are so happy just to be able to watch a youtube video haha | 19:11 |
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| jacquesdupontd | i plan that mine will surely read 10 vids at the same time, i'm always amazed when i see a big congress and people showing LOOK, IT CAN READ SMOOTHLY VIDEOS ! wow what an advance :) | 19:12 |
| jacquesdupontd | really innovating ideas :) | 19:12 |
| lcuk | 10 videos at once! how do you watch them | 19:12 |
| jacquesdupontd | lcuk yeah or 6, anyway wanted to say xhtml can make really good stuff without javascript and without flash nowadays | 19:12 |
| lcuk | you can watch 6 at once - thats more channels than ive got on my tv | 19:13 |
| jacquesdupontd | lcuk with my 10 plugged screen ! (joke) | 19:13 |
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| jacquesdupontd | you have to get 10 eyes also :) | 19:13 |
| jacquesdupontd | no but the important thing i wanna say is that i don't want to build a device that only WORK or IS ABLE TO, i want something that can EASILY DO | 19:14 |
| lcuk | a critical flaw to that would be battery | 19:14 |
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| lcuk | how would you get over having uber processing power required but also maintaining a healthy uptime | 19:15 |
| jacquesdupontd | when i see my old athlon computer that i use as tv movie reader, music making, msn, mail, browsing, and it has 256 mb of memory very old everything and it works perfectly with all 3d compiz effects | 19:15 |
| jacquesdupontd | that way i dont why the tablet wouldn't do so if its well configured/made | 19:16 |
| lcuk | yeah i have one of those too | 19:16 |
| lcuk | but to be usable outside the house would require a wheelbarrow for the battery | 19:16 |
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| jacquesdupontd | lcuk that's why i'm in big hesitation, am i taking a laptop motherboard with classic graphic cards and proc like little celeron or amd and little nvidia that would be very cheap but bigger or am i choosing beagle motherboard type | 19:17 |
| jacquesdupontd | more i think about it and more i wanna have a fast and cheap tablet even if it a little bigger and louder | 19:17 |
| jacquesdupontd | heavier sorry | 19:17 |
| lcuk | pc world have these cute little slates from hp :) | 19:18 |
| jacquesdupontd | yeah the only think that gets me to the little beagle board is that i would have a lot of place to put a lot lot lot lot of lithium battery | 19:18 |
| jacquesdupontd | to have 12 hours battery lifetime | 19:18 |
| Corsac | if bigger and rough doesn't scares you, you might want to look at the touchbook | 19:18 |
| jacquesdupontd | but except that ... | 19:18 |
| jacquesdupontd | i've seen tablets home made like alwaysinnovating one where the tablet is half empty inside | 19:19 |
| jacquesdupontd | it's a complete loose of place i think | 19:19 |
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| jacquesdupontd | but that's my point of view | 19:19 |
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| jacquesdupontd | (im in a cyber coffee, i'm going to get a beer and smoke a cig i come back) | 19:19 |
| lcuk | im still wondering more about the UX | 19:19 |
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| lcuk | if kubuntu plus fingers is already made | 19:20 |
| lcuk | we can use that | 19:20 |
| lcuk | but jacquesdptd_afk wont release it :( | 19:20 |
| jacquesdptd_afk | for sure i willl but guys don't make like i made a really amazing thing everybody can do it with a little bit of patience | 19:21 |
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| jacquesdptd_afk | but i'll give it to you as soon as i find it releasable, i go get that beer | 19:21 |
| lcuk | but if you release it then think of all the help you can get | 19:21 |
| lcuk | support to tweak it | 19:21 |
| lcuk | and fix up bugs you wont have seen | 19:21 |
| jacquesdptd_afk | but i'm gonna you can be sure, just for the fact that i'm always sharing and giving my works like all the community is doing that way everything is evoluating | 19:22 |
| jacquesdptd_afk | it's just that for now i have to pack it put it on a server plus i made different versions with kde and without well i will show you all that for sure when it will seem enought complete to get out, wich means soon, 1 week or 2, but for now beer :) | 19:23 |
| lcuk | well, granted it is beeroclock here, but for some people in the world its not and they could be helping your project right now whilst you drink! | 19:24 |
| jacquesdptd_afk | grgrgr anyway i'm not home now :) | 19:24 |
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| lcuk | jacquesdptd_afk, is there a website i can watch for updates from? how will i find out when kubuntu with fingers is released. | 19:26 |
| lcuk | because your ideas are intruiging to me and i would like to subscribe to your blog | 19:26 |
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| jacquesdptd_afk | lcuk i'm gonna set on my server a little wordpress blog to show the release progress, i promess i'll connect on this chatroom everyday to give the adress to you as soon as i've set it | 19:46 |
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| GAN900 | What's with all of the seemingly accidental subscribers on the lists. . . . | 19:53 |
| lbt | users | 19:53 |
| ShadowJK | +l | 19:53 |
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| * lbt wonders where the email/forum integration is at | 19:54 | |
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| RST38h | moo all | 19:56 |
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| th0br0 | heya lbt | 20:11 |
| lbt | o/ | 20:13 |
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| Stskeeps | ooh, collab summit videos are up | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | well, keynotes | 20:52 |
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| andre__ | whoot. time to grab a beer while watching :-P | 20:53 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: cool | 20:53 |
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| * thiago_home is watching a Qt community manager in Norway Got Talent | 20:58 | |
| Stskeeps | trolls famous in norway? :P | 20:58 |
| GAN900 | andre__, don't get too excited. ;) | 20:59 |
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| andre__ | me? excited? come on! I'm never. :-P | 20:59 |
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| odin_ | video urls ? | 21:14 |
| slaine | odin_: if you registered to watch them live you get an email about it | 21:14 |
| lcuk | the mail said they are open didnt they | 21:16 |
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| lcuk | " All videos from this event are free to watch for anyone in the Linux | 21:17 |
| lcuk | community." | 21:17 |
| slaine | http://video.linuxfoundation.org/categories/conferences-symposiums/2010-collaboration-summit | 21:17 |
| slaine | lets see | 21:17 |
| frals | plays fine without loggin in/registering here | 21:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | finally :-) No item video stream to shopping basket | 21:19 |
| frals | downloading ari jaaksis keynote at a blazing 10kB/sec | 21:23 |
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| lcuk | wheres the whiteboard sessions? | 21:25 |
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| slaine | only keynotes for the moment it seems | 21:28 |
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| lcuk | yeah i think i saw most last week | 21:29 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, any movement on your video uploading? | 21:29 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder who's still stuck | 21:31 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, theres still some backlog | 21:32 |
| lcuk | i know people who just gave up and bedded in - not returning till early next week etc | 21:33 |
| lcuk | not necessarily from conf, but from around | 21:33 |
| lcuk | dneary, are you back now? | 21:33 |
| dneary | back where? | 21:34 |
| lcuk | home | 21:34 |
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| lcuk | i seem to recall you were still around sf | 21:34 |
| slaine | yeah, you attended the TSG meeting from the airport iirc | 21:36 |
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| Stskeeps | regarding being stuck, http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2010/04/getting-there-and-back-volcano-post.html - quite an adventure it sounds like | 21:50 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, Ari needs the Meego Volcanologists UX | 22:07 |
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| th0br0 | heya Stskeeps | 22:10 |
| th0br0 | btw, did i mess anything importand on wednesday? | 22:10 |
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| GAN900 | lcuk, that clearly excludes you. :P | 22:11 |
| CosmoHill | hi people | 22:11 |
| slaine | th0br0 good evening | 22:11 |
| GAN900 | th0br0, define "important" | 22:11 |
| th0br0 | evening slaine | 22:12 |
| th0br0 | GAN900: of any relevance | 22:12 |
| * GAN900 would say "no" | 22:12 | |
| slaine | th0br0: check out the logs | 22:12 |
| slaine | we got stuff cleared up | 22:12 |
| slaine | nothings happend, but still | 22:12 |
| GAN900 | But that's only using the "important to GAN900" metric | 22:12 |
| CosmoHill | th0br0: if you can teach me, and I can teach others, that makes you some kinda super smart person :) | 22:12 |
| lcuk | GAN900, yeah ? | 22:12 |
| th0br0 | CosmoHill: teach you what ? | 22:12 |
| CosmoHill | C++ | 22:12 |
| th0br0 | i remember that i highlighted you earlier ... | 22:12 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, Mr. VB Windows man. :P | 22:12 |
| th0br0 | C++ mmh... | 22:12 |
| CosmoHill | I'm teaching my friend C++ atm | 22:12 |
| th0br0 | k. | 22:12 |
| lcuk | GAN900, ? i know that | 22:13 |
| CosmoHill | helping him with his assignment without giving him all my special l33t code | 22:13 |
| lcuk | but whats that gotta do with volcanos? | 22:13 |
| slaine | my C++ consists of C with classes | 22:13 |
| lcuk | or are you reading tonnes of backlog | 22:13 |
| GAN900 | "free to watch for anyone in the Linux community" | 22:13 |
| lcuk | *ding* | 22:13 |
| th0br0 | slaine: but that's nasty :D | 22:14 |
| * lcuk unwatches | 22:14 | |
| th0br0 | However, I really like namespaces etc. but yeah, i'm writing a lot of c in all my c++ stuff too | 22:14 |
| slaine | th0br0: meh, I'm a C programmer | 22:14 |
| th0br0 | :) | 22:14 |
| lcuk | GAN900, arent you an apple fanboy too :P hence unavailable | 22:14 |
| lcuk | slaine, i spent 10 years coding vb as if it were c | 22:14 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, hey, I got an invite to the event! | 22:14 |
| th0br0 | lol lcuk, how is that possible? | 22:14 |
| lcuk | therefore you dont want the videos :P | 22:14 |
| th0br0 | GAN900: which event? | 22:14 |
| slaine | lcuk, been there, done that, feel your pain | 22:14 |
| GAN900 | Clearly I'm a member. :P | 22:14 |
| GAN900 | LF Summit | 22:15 |
| th0br0 | :) | 22:15 |
| GAN900 | th0br0, keynote videos are up. | 22:16 |
| lcuk | GAN900, seat filling so chris dibona could throw a tshirt at you | 22:16 |
| GAN900 | The MeeGo keynotes are generally new-information-free | 22:16 |
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| GAN900 | lcuk, scared the shit out of me | 22:17 |
| lcuk | heh | 22:17 |
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| slaine | th0br0: Imad and Valetarri (spelling ?) both agreed that they need to make things more open and would work on it. They also expressed a desire that development be truely open, i.e. that we, as a community, would have input rather than just being used for localization donkey work and bug hunting | 22:17 |
| th0br0 | Valtter(r?)i iirc | 22:17 |
| lcuk | what language do donkeys speak? | 22:18 |
| th0br0 | mh ok. | 22:18 |
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| slaine | VB | 22:18 |
| th0br0 | lcuk: EH AH ;) | 22:18 |
| GAN900 | slaine, valhalla, duh. :P | 22:18 |
| * lcuk still lacks beer | 22:18 | |
| lcuk | this is a shocking situation | 22:18 |
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| slaine | lcuk, I also feel that pain | 22:18 |
| slaine | must head to shops, get some beers and watch a movie or something | 22:18 |
| lcuk | mine is delayed by warmth | 22:18 |
| lcuk | i have a fridge full of warm beer | 22:19 |
| slaine | don't you english types like warm beer ? | 22:19 |
| slaine | ;) | 22:19 |
| CosmoHill | ewwww | 22:19 |
| th0br0 | long live belgian beer | 22:19 |
| lcuk | its american beer | 22:19 |
| th0br0 | s/belgian beer/beer from belgium/ | 22:19 |
| infobot | th0br0 meant: long live beer from belgium | 22:19 |
| lcuk | or something | 22:19 |
| slaine | I'm a guinness man born and breed | 22:19 |
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| lcuk | probably brewed in bournemouth or something | 22:20 |
| th0br0 | slaine: guiness is nice, too :) i mostly drink that when i'm here in germany -- if it's available. | 22:20 |
| slaine | many generations of my family have worked at the guinness brewer, and now I work in one of their old buildings (converted to incubation office space) | 22:21 |
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| VDVsx | lcuk, send it to me, a couple of minutes in the street here should do the tricky :D | 22:22 |
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| th0br0 | cool, slaine :D | 22:22 |
| lcuk | i might just do that VDVsx | 22:23 |
| VDVsx | :D | 22:23 |
| thiago_home | I really think people should have stayed in the SF area instead of trying to get home earlier | 22:23 |
| DawnFoster | slaine: way cool | 22:23 |
| lcuk | ive got screwdriver handy too | 22:23 |
| lcuk | lol | 22:23 |
| th0br0 | thiago_home: ah no, that like completely kills the whole fun of trying to get home. | 22:23 |
| slaine | cheers guys :) | 22:23 |
| slaine | now I'll probably have to go and buy some after the kids go to bed :) | 22:24 |
| lcuk | thiago_home, its horrid being stuck somewhere and wanting to get back | 22:24 |
| * GAN900 is playing muffin man. | 22:24 | |
| DawnFoster | you guys do this to us every Friday, but it is way too early for drinking here & Intel frowns on drunk employees during the work day :) | 22:24 |
| th0br0 | ;) DawnFoster | 22:25 |
| * VDVsx tries to convince someone to go out for beers :D | 22:25 | |
| GAN900 | DawnFoster, get them back, schedule all the meetings during drinking hours! | 22:25 |
| slaine | DawnFoster: where are you ? | 22:25 |
| th0br0 | GAN900: rather outsource your meetings to bars! :D | 22:25 |
| DawnFoster | slaine: I'm in Portland. It's only noon here, so I have a few hours to go :) | 22:25 |
| th0br0 | And just call it uh ... | 22:25 |
| slaine | It's 8:25pm here and a lovely sunny spring evening. | 22:26 |
| th0br0 | Location outsourcing | 22:26 |
| DawnFoster | I should definitely have more meetings in bars! | 22:26 |
| DawnFoster | we do have this every Friday: http://portland.beerandblog.com/ | 22:26 |
| slaine | DawnFoster: Its the feast of Maximum Occupancy, you shouldn't even be in the office!! | 22:26 |
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| lcuk | you know, with so many people stuck in different situations, they must have all had a moment where *MOBILEDEVICE_X* did not work - to collect up what didnt work for them and try to make it work would be a good way to ensure you have supreme phone | 22:27 |
| lcuk | (i commented similar on aris blog too) | 22:27 |
| DawnFoster | truth is, I'm working from a coffee shop next to the university. I'm talking to a class about careers in community management in a half hour :) | 22:27 |
| DawnFoster | but this green tea is a poor substitute for happy hour | 22:27 |
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| lcuk | DawnFoster, hint, vodka is soluable in tea ;) | 22:28 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: handswing charging for n900 which doubles as a stand is obviously needed | 22:28 |
| slaine | DawnFoster: I hope you're using MeeGo on a netbook in that coffee shop | 22:28 |
| arjan | drinking during working hours.... not all companies appreciate that equally ;) | 22:28 |
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| GAN900 | DawnFoster, sounds like an interesting talk. | 22:28 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, yes battery consumption is a problem on any journey | 22:28 |
| th0br0 | lcuk: soluable? solvable? | 22:28 |
| slaine | arjan: damn, it's always office hours somewhere, thats not fair | 22:28 |
| th0br0 | ah nvm, soluble. | 22:28 |
| lcuk | heh | 22:29 |
| arjan | slaine: that rule gets funny if you work from home as well | 22:29 |
| arjan | "no alcohol on the work premise" vs wine cellar | 22:29 |
| slaine | lol | 22:29 |
| DawnFoster | GAN900: Here's the presentation http://fastwonderblog.com/2010/04/23/online-community-manager-yes-its-really-a-job-2/ | 22:29 |
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| lcuk | "damn i went into management meeting in my underpants. again" | 22:29 |
| slaine | I like working from home sometimes, I've got better coffee | 22:29 |
| arjan | hehe | 22:29 |
| arjan | i worked from home for years | 22:29 |
| arjan | if you ONLY work from home it's not good for you long term | 22:30 |
| slaine | was just about to say as much | 22:30 |
| lcuk | i know that feeling, climbing the walls today | 22:30 |
| slaine | with ssh, I can work from anywhere | 22:30 |
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| DawnFoster | arjan yeah, it's nice to do both with days at home to focus & days in the office to bug people :) | 22:30 |
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| slaine | I often do it to avoid the commute. Say I've something on, rather than commuting and arriving at my desk at 11:30 or something. You can waste so much time just to be at a particular computer | 22:31 |
| * Stskeeps misses having a commute | 22:32 | |
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| Stskeeps | time to listen to audio books, etc | 22:32 |
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| lcuk | yeah traveling allows task switching time | 22:32 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: Yeah, I get all my reading done on the bus | 22:32 |
| slaine | I often use my dell mini 9 too | 22:32 |
| * lbt thinks about the Helsinki sauna meetings... with jagermeister | 22:32 | |
| lbt | and cider | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | didn't qualify as work | 22:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:33 |
| lbt | not far off | 22:33 |
| * lbt only came upstairs to ssh into the TV and see what it was doing | 22:34 | |
| th0br0 | lol lbt | 22:34 |
| lbt | running dmesg on the telly.... spooky | 22:35 |
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| lbt | right... back to Bab5 ... l8r | 22:35 |
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| lcuk | lbt, which series | 22:36 |
| CosmoHill | if anyone wants me just set off my highlight | 22:36 |
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| TSCHAKeee | lbt: got the joggler and a power adaptor working. very nice hardware, but boy does the packaged software suck a big one | 22:42 |
| TSCHAKeee | ;) | 22:42 |
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| jrayhawk | DawnFoster: Whose class is it? | 22:44 |
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| jrayhawk | Oh, too late. Oh well. | 22:45 |
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| slaine | Stskeeps: how's your joggler build going ? | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: iegd is barfing on 2.6.33 drm for some reason (kernel fault) | 22:48 |
| slaine | kernel drm seems like a massive moving target | 22:49 |
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| Stskeeps | will diagnose it more but its a free time project so :P | 22:50 |
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| slaine | yeah, I've a few of those :) | 22:52 |
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| lbt | TSCHAKeee: cool. yeah - I barely touch the oem software. | 23:03 |
| lbt | lcuk: just finishing series3 ... watched 1 & 2 over the past couple of weeks | 23:03 |
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| thiago_home | Qt Community Manager has just made to the finals of Norway Got Talent | 23:11 |
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| GAN900 | Weird | 23:14 |
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| CosmoHill | damn you people and your oversized trouts | 23:17 |
| lcuk | lbt :) first time viewing? or reruns | 23:17 |
| andre__ | thiago: name and address? | 23:17 |
| lbt | reruns | 23:17 |
| thiago_home | of the manager? | 23:17 |
| slaine | season 3 was awesome | 23:17 |
| andre__ | as you like. | 23:17 |
| lcuk | yeah, i enjoy the last ep of series 4 | 23:18 |
| thiago_home | andre__: knut yrvin. You can search his videos on youtube. | 23:18 |
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| slaine | lcuk, Which was the one that went way into the future and the human race had evolved to "old ones" | 23:22 |
| slaine | was that a series ep or was it one of the b5 movies | 23:22 |
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| andre__ | thiago, thanks! | 23:23 |
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| jrayhawk | Rumor has it that JMS is writing James Cameron's new Forbiddon Planet movie. | 23:33 |
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| lcuk | slaine, last ep of series 4 ;) | 23:34 |
| slaine | jrayhawk: in fairness, he's been rumored to be writing all sorts of things over the last few years | 23:35 |
| lcuk | the one where the garibaldi holograph hacks the future | 23:35 |
| slaine | lcuk, haha, I guess we all liked that one :) | 23:35 |
| slaine | hmmm, might watch that tonight | 23:35 |
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| lcuk | the whole series is amazing | 23:35 |
| lcuk | apart from the lockley woman from series 5 | 23:35 |
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| slaine | series 5 was pants | 23:36 |
| jrayhawk | Season five gets a lot better after that gothy emo psychic guy dies. | 23:36 |
| lcuk | i always like g'kar :) | 23:37 |
| slaine | but that wasn't jms's fault, the contract was reduced to 4 years (it was originally a 5 year story arc) but became so popular that they extended it back to 5 | 23:37 |
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| slaine | anyway, kids bed times | 23:37 |
| lcuk | yeah slaine they wrapped up at end of 4 | 23:37 |
| slaine | bbs | 23:37 |
| lcuk | gnite | 23:37 |
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| jrayhawk | The first half of season 5 was JMS hamfistedly trying to get unused portions of his five-year arc back on track for which the second half was the payoff. | 23:42 |
| jrayhawk | Season 5 is perfectly watchable so long as you skip that first half. | 23:42 |
| lcuk | is this debate like asking the proper correct viewing order for star wars movies | 23:43 |
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| jrayhawk | no, everyone agrees season 5 was a letdown, i am just trying to help make it less of a letdown. | 23:44 |
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| lcuk | jrayhawk, you rallied well :D | 23:45 |
| lcuk | has anyone seen the ranger movies? | 23:45 |
| lcuk | are they worth watching? | 23:45 |
| jrayhawk | I've been told that all the spinoffs were pretty bad, being almost entirely episodic. | 23:46 |
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| lcuk | yeah jrayhawk enjoying entire arcs over months was worthwhile | 23:47 |
| jrayhawk | The movies were tolerable, and Lost Tales was pretty dull. | 23:47 |
| slaine | I have actually borrowed all 5 B5 movies off a friend of mine a few weeks back. But not gotten around to watch a single one yet | 23:47 |
| lcuk | decent energy packed episodes building on each other week by week | 23:48 |
| ShadowJK | "In the beginning" works as a trailer/pilot to B5 too. it only spoils a little. | 23:48 |
| slaine | it really changed things for the better, the way things where season long | 23:48 |
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| lcuk | yeah :) wasnt it on on a wednesday night? or am i misremembering | 23:49 |
| lcuk | red dwarf was tuesdays im sure | 23:49 |
| slaine | yeah, sounds about right | 23:49 |
| slaine | on C4 | 23:49 |
| ShadowJK | Also the way that the creator was online and participated in the forums with fans | 23:49 |
| lcuk | http://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/10/04/23/2013230/Leonard-Nimoy-Retires-From-Star-Trek?from=twitter | 23:49 |
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| ShadowJK | except it wasn't a "forum" back then, it wasn't even www :P | 23:50 |
| jrayhawk | http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/master/eplist.html has the full chronological list, if you care. | 23:50 |
| slaine | I remember being stoked about it when it first came out because of the graphics being done with Amiga's | 23:50 |
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| ShadowJK | :) | 23:50 |
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| lcuk | ShadowJK, yeah - im sure it was also excellent PR to have fans using amigas and using them to render the show! | 23:51 |
| * lcuk huggles his 1200 | 23:51 | |
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| ShadowJK | there was a company that had renderfarm of amigas | 23:52 |
| slaine | I was on an A500 at the time and drooling over the A2000's with the newtek render boards. There was a place in Dublin City had a setup and I used to pop in for a drool whenever I was in the city | 23:52 |
| ShadowJK | they periodically lost all the models and had to make new ones | 23:52 |
| lcuk | nothing wrong with that | 23:52 |
| lcuk | keeps the modeling team fresh | 23:52 |
| lcuk | i remember the amiga mags had rendering articles which explained how to make ships from the show | 23:53 |
| slaine | Yeah, after you've done it once, it takes have the time to make it again. Just like Ikea flatpacks ;) | 23:53 |
| ShadowJK | at the time it aired I had a PC and used to log on each week to the world's biggest BBS and download a message digest of their B5 bulletin board :) | 23:53 |
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| ShadowJK | That bbs had like over 500 lines | 23:53 |
| slaine | Wow, you had a modem | 23:53 |
| * lcuk never saw internet on amiga | 23:53 | |
| slaine | that was leet back then | 23:54 |
| lcuk | but one of my friends had about 20000 floppies | 23:54 |
| lcuk | :D | 23:54 |
| slaine | lcuk, It was called Fidonet on the amiga, ;) | 23:54 |
| ShadowJK | considering i'm in .fi where stuff airs with 10 year delay ;p | 23:54 |
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| lcuk | i saw my first open source on amiga | 23:54 |
| slaine | I still have my A500 up in the attic with all my floppies | 23:54 |
| lcuk | i think it was a c compiler from the pdp7 or somethng | 23:55 |
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| lcuk | my amiga hard drive vanished somewhere | 23:55 |
| lcuk | it had a whole 10mb code partition | 23:55 |
| slaine | I remember scouring the "computer clubs" for a c compiler, best I managed the HiSoft Pascal compiler, which I could never get to work | 23:55 |
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| lcuk | :D | 23:55 |
| slaine | I have my A500 upgraded to 2Mb | 23:56 |
| lcuk | you lucky thing! | 23:57 |
| lcuk | i had to wait for 1200 for upgrades | 23:57 |
| lcuk | tho i did swap for a time with 500plus owner | 23:57 |
| slaine | I used to have a custom workbench disk that would boot up and create a 512Kb RAD: drive with my workbench files, and then it'd reboot into the full GUI in about 3 seconds | 23:57 |
| lcuk | rad disks were dynamic | 23:57 |
| ShadowJK | My amiga 500 died :( | 23:57 |
| slaine | And I still had 1.5Mb RAM, sigh, good times | 23:57 |
| ShadowJK | I get a yellow screen when I try start it | 23:57 |
| slaine | That's the bad ram screen iirc | 23:58 |
| lcuk | bad errr tv modulator | 23:58 |
| lcuk | change it - should find em on ebay | 23:58 |
| slaine | Or was that green | 23:58 |
| slaine | lcuk, I always wanted a 1200 | 23:58 |
| lcuk | 500s had the external gun cartridge | 23:58 |
| lcuk | 1200 kicked serious ass | 23:58 |
| slaine | could never justify the expense though | 23:58 |
| lcuk | had a whole 256bytes of cache | 23:58 |
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| lcuk | i could fit a whole mandel calculation func in there | 23:59 |
| lcuk | mandelbrot ^ | 23:59 |
| slaine | sweet | 23:59 |
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| jrayhawk | DawnFoster: Whose class are you talking at? | 23:59 |
| lcuk | yeah for its cpu speed/performance ratio the amiga still hasnt been beat i dont think | 23:59 |
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