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| CosmoHill | I'm english btw | 00:10 |
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| CosmoHill | also a tad bitter | 00:10 |
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| CosmoHill | dammit | 00:17 |
| CosmoHill | someone asked me why they need boot scripts | 00:17 |
| CosmoHill | i know you need them but I can't give a technical reason | 00:18 |
| lbt | what do you mean by boot scripts? | 00:18 |
| lbt | the /etc/rc<n>.d/* | 00:18 |
| CosmoHill | [22:15] <meoblast001> Cosmo: someone once told me bootscripts are unnecessary | 00:18 |
| thiago_home | they are unnecessary | 00:19 |
| lbt | indeed | 00:19 |
| thiago_home | and not used in moblin | 00:19 |
| lbt | they're just useful | 00:19 |
| thiago_home | so I expect meego not to use them either | 00:19 |
| CosmoHill | what is this sourcery you speak of? | 00:19 |
| thiago_home | though I haven't checked | 00:19 |
| lbt | upstart iirc | 00:19 |
| thiago_home | probably still supports them, so that packages installed can add to the boot | 00:19 |
| thiago_home | yup | 00:20 |
| CosmoHill | hmm | 00:20 |
| CosmoHill | LFS doesn't use upstart | 00:20 |
| lbt | meego still has /etc/rc2.d/* though | 00:20 |
| lbt | S55sshd is in there | 00:20 |
| thiago_home | what else? | 00:20 |
| lbt | S26udev-post | 00:21 |
| lbt | S99local | 00:21 |
| thiago_home | sounds like non-critical services to me | 00:21 |
| thiago_home | i.e., can be started after the UI is shwoing | 00:21 |
| lbt | I thought there were dependency based boot scripts | 00:21 |
| lbt | but still script-lie | 00:21 |
| arjan | thiago: eh? | 00:21 |
| lbt | grrr.. cat | 00:22 |
| arjan | moblin supports /etc/init.d/ scripts just fine | 00:22 |
| arjan | as does meego | 00:22 |
| arjan | LSB requires it | 00:22 |
| thiago_home | arjan: support != use them for the normal boot | 00:22 |
| arjan | ok fair enoguh | 00:22 |
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| thiago_home | the important thing to note is that the main and important services don't use them | 00:22 |
| thiago_home | which is a good thing | 00:22 |
| * lbt has been paying more attention to making meego boot and run than to how it does it :) | 00:23 | |
| arjan | hehe | 00:23 |
| CosmoHill | hi arjan | 00:23 |
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| lbt | we have meego on the O2 Joggler arjan :) | 00:23 |
| arjan | cool | 00:23 |
| arjan | what gpu is in that thing? | 00:23 |
| lbt | the something500 | 00:24 |
| lbt | iegd | 00:24 |
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| arjan | oh never mind :-( | 00:24 |
| lbt | Stskeeps has been looking at it... | 00:24 |
| * lbt avoids effort dupe | 00:24 | |
| arjan | iegd is not a generic graphics driver; it's a driver for specific embedded machines for customers of Intel's embedded silicon group | 00:25 |
| lbt | Intel GMA500 | 00:25 |
| lbt | 1.3GHz Intel Z520 | 00:25 |
| lbt | Intel US15W | 00:25 |
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| lbt | yes, I realise (I'm not really a HW guy) | 00:26 |
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| * CosmoHill is watching Frankie Boyle | 00:40 | |
| leinir | Very funny guy there :) | 00:41 |
| CosmoHill | very cynical / sadistic | 00:41 |
| leinir | *nods* :) | 00:42 |
| CosmoHill | "my dad will shag your dad!....and your dad will enjoy it" | 00:42 |
| leinir | *giggles* Yeah, he's kind of rude ;) | 00:42 |
| leinir | But then, he /is/ Scottish ;) | 00:43 |
| CosmoHill | aye | 00:43 |
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| sp3000 | ehm, say, if I were to have an rpm file, how would I interrogate it to find what it wants to depend on? | 03:33 |
| sp3000 | assuming the package knows of such things | 03:33 |
| sp3000 | s/depend on/require/, pardon my french | 03:34 |
| sp3000 | oh, rpmquery --requires -p file | 03:34 |
| * sp3000 got sidetracked by a dead end and forgot to re-check the obvious | 03:35 | |
| * sp3000 finds asking on irc helps read manuals | 03:35 | |
| sp3000 | thanks chewbacca! | 03:35 |
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| steventao | Hi all | 08:59 |
| steventao | No bady home XD | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | morning steventao | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | did you get ARM generation working yet? | 09:00 |
| steventao | No, there is still some problem | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | right, you have the same error? 127 or something | 09:01 |
| steventao | No,another problem. | 09:02 |
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| Stskeeps | mm? | 09:02 |
| Stskeeps | pastebin please | 09:02 |
| steventao | I got the Error -8 while loading /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static when I try to mic-chroot | 09:02 |
| steventao | Wait for that. | 09:03 |
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| steventao | http://meego.pastebin.com/EUzesf1h | 09:04 |
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| steventao | Did you every see this before? | 09:04 |
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| Stskeeps | what kind of OS are you running this on? 32 or 64-bit? | 09:05 |
| steventao | 32 | 09:05 |
| steventao | fedora 12 with 32-bit | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | ok, and what qemu-binfmt-conf.sh script did you use? | 09:06 |
| steventao | I get from qemu git. | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | can i see it? | 09:07 |
| steventao | git://gitorious.org/qemu-maemo/qemu.git | 09:07 |
| steventao | There is something I couldn't understand. | 09:09 |
| steventao | I saw the mic-image-creator use the qemu-arm-static | 09:09 |
| steventao | But I build this source code, it show me "qemu-system-*" | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | right, so, if i give you the means to do this, will you help document it? :) | 09:10 |
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| steventao | sure, I am glad to do it. | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | are you using the git version of mic2 or 0.17? | 09:12 |
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| steventao | 0.17 | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | right, could you grab the git version and see if this improves your situation? | 09:13 |
| steventao | Where can I get mic2 ? | 09:13 |
| steventao | I only saw the 0.17 version on git. | 09:13 |
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| Stskeeps | hang on | 09:13 |
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| Stskeeps | git://gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/image-creator.git | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | master branch | 09:15 |
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| steventao | Please wait. | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | there's a fix for the qemu things, you do not need qemu-binfmt-conf.sh for that | 09:16 |
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| steventao | hmm, I had tried this version this morning. | 09:21 |
| steventao | Let me do it again. | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | you need to restart to get rid of anything qemu-binfmt-conf.sh added | 09:21 |
| steventao | ok, give me few mintues. | 09:22 |
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| steventao | bad news... | 09:37 |
| steventao | same error | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | right, mic-image-creator? | 09:38 |
| steventao | I use the lastest version mic-image-creator to create loop image. | 09:38 |
| steventao | and sudo mic-chroot it. | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | hmmm | 09:39 |
| steventao | any suggestion? | 09:40 |
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| Stskeeps | what kernel are you running? | 09:43 |
| steventao | you mean kernel version? | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | on the machine you're doing it on | 09:44 |
| steventao | Linux Meego.fedora 2.6.31.5-127.fc12.i686.PAE #1 SMP Sat Nov 7 21:25:57 EST 2009 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | ok, could you try to run a mic-image-creator -a armv5 and pastebin me the exact output from it? | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | ie, how you would generate an image | 09:46 |
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| steventao | mic-image-creator --config=arm-n900.ks --format=loop --cache=mycache --arch=armv5tel | 09:49 |
| steventao | That's my command. | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | looks right | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | i'd like to see the output | 09:49 |
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| steventao | http://meego.pastebin.com/TUd7eT61 | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | ok, and what happens if you mic-chroot into that? | 09:54 |
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| steventao | http://meego.pastebin.com/faBJP1NP | 09:56 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, could you tell me the output of 'mount'? it looks like MIC2 doesn't clean up after itself | 09:56 |
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| steventao | It needs to reboot. | 09:57 |
| steventao | wait. | 09:57 |
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| steventao | http://meego.pastebin.com/D0Ti64xc | 10:00 |
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| steventao | It | 10:05 |
| Termana | hey hey | 10:05 |
| steventao | It's a tough job for me. XD | 10:06 |
| steventao | hey termana | 10:06 |
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| Stskeeps | steventao: when you've got it working one time, it works the rest :P | 10:07 |
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| Stskeeps | on a curiousity, what ARM version is the device you're targetting? | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | armv5/armv6/armv7? | 10:08 |
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| steventao | armv5 | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 10:08 |
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| steventao | What ARM version is the first target on Meego? | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | it's currently built against armv5 | 10:11 |
| steventao | hm | 10:11 |
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| Stskeeps | there is a bit of challenge in this, because the question is also, what will application SDK build against typically | 10:12 |
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| Stskeeps | because there's not much fun having an armv5 meego when all the apps people build are armv7 :) | 10:12 |
| steventao | ha, indeed | 10:13 |
| thiago_home | it's like defaulting to i386 on x86 | 10:14 |
| steventao | yeah, it is workable on x86. | 10:14 |
| Termana | Did the Collaboration Summit videos get released yet? (someone said that it was recorded by someone and the videos would be released soon) | 10:14 |
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| Stskeeps | thiago_home: well, the question is if there's any significant performance loss, if the libraries you link with are 'i686' and your app is 'i386' | 10:14 |
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| thiago_home | hmm | 10:15 |
| thiago_home | I'd say the VFP is mandatory, at least | 10:15 |
| thiago_home | doesn't it change the ABI? | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | not as far as i've seen | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | it's possible to intermix things | 10:15 |
| thiago_home | try calling functions that take floats as parameters | 10:15 |
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| suihkulokki | thiago_home: tha abi allows intermixing softfp & hardfp | 10:16 |
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| ShadowJK | I think softfp abi is used anyway? | 10:16 |
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| suihkulokki | there is also a incompatible vfp-only abi, but so far it isn't widely used | 10:17 |
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| suihkulokki | and it is unclear what the perfomance advantage would be - after all, you shouldn't be calling functions in shared libraries too often anyway | 10:17 |
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| Stskeeps | there's a performance boost if i have an armv5 app using a vfp libm i guess? | 10:18 |
| suihkulokki | and you call sin() or sqrt() all the time, sure | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 10:18 |
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| Stskeeps | because i would think that for qt apps, it would be calling into the optimized libraries quite often | 10:19 |
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| thiago_home | suihkulokki: you should be calling them all the time | 10:23 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 11:00 |
| steventao | Hi khertan | 11:02 |
| steventao | Stskeeps: I trid to modify the mic | 11:03 |
| steventao | make it to use qemu-system-arm | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | steventao: qemu-system-arm is definately the wrong one | 11:03 |
| steventao | Yeah... | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | that runs a full arm system, we just need binary emulation :) | 11:04 |
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| steventao | hmm... | 11:04 |
| steventao | So, is there any wrong about mount? | 11:05 |
| Khertan | It s me or does it seems meego for netbook get an ui ? i see the moblin ui that was presented as meego | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | steventao: it seems like your mic2 doesn't clean up after itself and unmounts /proc in the chroot | 11:05 |
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| steventao | hmm, what should I do? | 11:06 |
| steventao | Trace the mic2 and debug it? | 11:07 |
| steventao | or it's my enviorment issue? | 11:07 |
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| Stskeeps | i'd debug the issue, the error you see in mic-image-creator looks like a start | 11:08 |
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| steventao | See, anything I could do? | 11:09 |
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| Stskeeps | well, debugging it :) | 11:09 |
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| steventao | as I though. :p | 11:10 |
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| steventao | Khertan: you can run the GUI mode on qemu? | 11:11 |
| Khertan | steventao: no no ... | 11:12 |
| Khertan | steventao: i m just asking ... as i see some video from idf | 11:12 |
| steventao | see. | 11:13 |
| Khertan | and as i m using moblin on my netbook | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan: not much is known about the UI's atm | 11:13 |
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| lbt | FYI, making good progress getting mic2 running alongside kiwi | 11:39 |
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| Stskeeps | cool | 11:40 |
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| Khertan | Stskeeps: thx .. | 12:10 |
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| slaine | Sigh | 12:32 |
| slaine | repo's still closed | 12:32 |
| CosmoHill | :( | 12:32 |
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| Khertan | http://www.madeo.co.uk/?p=373 <<< interesting post | 12:35 |
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| Khertan | Right now, Meego looks like a clone of Moblin and the only reason for the name change seems to be to appease the Maemo community <<< huhu | 12:37 |
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| slaine | Khertan: yes, this was what I was talking about last week | 12:40 |
| Khertan | :) | 12:40 |
| slaine | I have a build from mid february of Moblin trunk that is branded as MeeGo | 12:40 |
| slaine | Shortly after Brendan posted that guide. | 12:41 |
| Khertan | in fact i'm trying to compile tomboy on my fresh moblin 2.1 install | 12:41 |
| Khertan | but glib-gettext is missing | 12:41 |
| Khertan | so i'm looking for repository | 12:42 |
| Khertan | and many moblin repository are down | 12:42 |
| Khertan | so i'm looking for mirror | 12:42 |
| Khertan | but found instead some interesting post about meego/moblin merge | 12:42 |
| Khertan | :) | 12:42 |
| Khertan | http://repo.moblin.org/moblin/development/core/ <<< 404 :( | 12:43 |
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| slaine | you want http://repo.moblin.org/moblin/releases/2.1/ia32/os/ | 12:44 |
| achipa | Khertan: what 'merge' really means will be seen only when the Harmattan alpha SDK lands | 12:44 |
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| Khertan | achipa: yep | 12:45 |
| Khertan | slaine: hum ... so it s mean i need to compile glib-gettext as it s not available | 12:45 |
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| slaine | Khertan: it's already there | 12:47 |
| slaine | yum install gettext-devel | 12:47 |
| Khertan | nope already installed | 12:48 |
| slaine | hmmm | 12:48 |
| Khertan | ok ... glib2-devel :) | 12:48 |
| Khertan | strange | 12:48 |
| Khertan | :) | 12:48 |
| Khertan | now missing intltool ... yum yum yum yum ... :) | 12:49 |
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| slaine | you might want to | 12:49 |
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| Khertan | :) | 12:50 |
| slaine | sudo yum groupinstall "Development Tools" "Moblin Desktop Development" | 12:50 |
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| Khertan | ah yes far better ! | 12:51 |
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| Khertan | getting all necessary things (and surely more) but in time instead of 40 iteration of compile ... missing ... yum | 12:51 |
| Khertan | :) | 12:51 |
| Khertan | thx | 12:51 |
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| Cosmo[PB] | power went out for a mo >.< | 13:52 |
| wao | <.> | 13:52 |
| Cosmo[PB] | at least my server is still onlione | 13:53 |
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| Cosmo[PB] | last time I had to reset the networking via serial | 13:53 |
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| Cosmo[PB] | rawr | 14:01 |
| Cosmo[PB] | i missed out a line of code >.< | 14:01 |
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| slaine | Stskeeps: aren't the images supposed to be updated weekly ? | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: ask the release team | 14:28 |
| w00t_ | which is who? | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | beats me, tell me when you know | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:28 |
| w00t_ | exactly | 14:28 |
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| slaine | I'm pretty sure on Day 1 it was announced that we'd have weekly snapshots | 14:29 |
| slaine | I could be wrong | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | mail about it if you find a source | 14:29 |
| slaine | I was about to and thought I'd better check | 14:29 |
| slaine | Does it sound familiar to you though ? | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | i would look at TSG meeting minute | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | s | 14:30 |
| Cosmo[PB] | dammit | 14:33 |
| * Cosmo[PB] sheepishly asks | 14:33 | |
| Cosmo[PB] | how do i input a whole line in C++? | 14:33 |
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| andika | Cosmo[PB]: getline maybe? http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/iostream/istream/getline/ | 14:37 |
| Cosmo[PB] | i have getline(cin, playerDesc); and it's not working :/ | 14:37 |
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| slaine | Stskeeps: I can only find a question from you asking about the weekly snapshots | 14:44 |
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| Stskeeps | slaine: mmkay | 14:45 |
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| Cosmo[PB] | rawr | 14:45 |
| slaine | I haven't found where the weekly thing was originated from | 14:45 |
| Cosmo[PB] | i have it working no | 14:47 |
| Cosmo[PB] | now | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/ | 14:48 |
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| slaine | Stskeeps: it doesn't say anything about the images being updated weekly | 15:00 |
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| Stskeeps | true | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | well, at least the repo should be | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | and i'm not sure it is :P | 15:01 |
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| slaine | Stskeeps: sort by date shows that it is | 15:02 |
| slaine | 18th April being the latest date | 15:02 |
| slaine | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/trunk/repo/source/?C=M;O=D | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | k | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | arm too? | 15:03 |
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| th0br0 | ohai ppl | 15:16 |
| th0br0 | Cosmo[PB]: if using c++ -> std::cin >> mPlayerDesc; | 15:17 |
| th0br0 | ? | 15:17 |
| th0br0 | can also be applied to ints etc. | 15:17 |
| th0br0 | oh you got it working ;) | 15:17 |
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| Cosmo[PB] | what i had was | 15:20 |
| Cosmo[PB] | cin >> name | 15:20 |
| Cosmo[PB] | getline(cin, description) | 15:20 |
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| Cosmo[PB] | the first worked and the 2nd was skipped | 15:20 |
| th0br0 | yep | 15:20 |
| Cosmo[PB] | i think i need to flush the first input | 15:21 |
| th0br0 | for what? | 15:21 |
| th0br0 | i don't get your point at least... | 15:21 |
| Cosmo[PB] | hold on | 15:21 |
| th0br0 | take a look at http://www.java2s.com/Code/Cpp/Console/cintoread.htm | 15:21 |
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| Cosmo[PB] | http://linuxfromscratch.pastebin.com/TS99KmbE | 15:23 |
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| Cosmo | oops | 15:23 |
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| th0br0 | you mean the car part? | 15:24 |
| CosmoHill | yes | 15:24 |
| CosmoHill | output is | 15:24 |
| CosmoHill | What car do you have? | 15:24 |
| CosmoHill | Car: You have a | 15:24 |
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| CosmoHill | if both inputs are getline it works | 15:25 |
| CosmoHill | if the first is cin >> the next getline is skipped | 15:25 |
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| th0br0 | reason is that cin only eats the input buffer up to the \n, but the \n still remains. | 15:26 |
| CosmoHill | so i'd need to flush cin? | 15:26 |
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| th0br0 | std::cin.ignore(INT_MAX); std::cin.clear(); | 15:27 |
| th0br0 | although I'd just not mix up the stream operators and getline | 15:27 |
| CosmoHill | I'm sticking with getline | 15:27 |
| th0br0 | why? that's so c'ish ;) | 15:27 |
| CosmoHill | I have 3 weeks to finish this so I'm getting a bit twitchy | 15:28 |
| th0br0 | what is your current status? | 15:29 |
| th0br0 | and how complete does the game have to be? | 15:29 |
| CosmoHill | you can create a player, he can move between locations, take and drop items from those locations | 15:29 |
| CosmoHill | i need to add the interface and non-playing charcters | 15:29 |
| th0br0 | scripted characters? | 15:30 |
| CosmoHill | pretty much | 15:30 |
| th0br0 | oh right you are only allowed to use the STL | 15:30 |
| th0br0 | or do you have to write some simple script stuff yourself? | 15:30 |
| CosmoHill | erm | 15:30 |
| CosmoHill | well | 15:30 |
| CosmoHill | as far as i know they just give you a hint | 15:30 |
| th0br0 | who? stl? | 15:30 |
| CosmoHill | like "try climbing up" | 15:31 |
| CosmoHill | my characters | 15:31 |
| th0br0 | ah ok. | 15:31 |
| CosmoHill | i need to wizz out and get some credit for my phone, back in 10 | 15:32 |
| th0br0 | k | 15:34 |
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| th0br0 | heya timeless_mbp; what's "mbp" for anyway? | 15:34 |
| timeless_mbp | macbook pro | 15:35 |
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| th0br0 | ah ok | 15:35 |
| CosmoHill | dammit where are my keys! | 15:35 |
| CosmoHill | found them :3 | 15:36 |
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| th0br0 | ^^ CosmoHill | 15:40 |
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| CosmoHill | now i should have free texts evenings and weekends for the next month | 15:47 |
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| th0br0 | CosmoHill: so how much time of the next 3 weeks will you be able to work on the project? | 16:12 |
| th0br0 | s/of/during/ | 16:12 |
| infobot | th0br0 meant: CosmoHill: so how much time during the next 3 weeks will you be able to work on the project? | 16:12 |
| th0br0 | s/work/spend/ | 16:12 |
| infobot | th0br0 meant: CosmoHill: so how much time of the next 3 weeks will you be able to spend on the project? | 16:12 |
| CosmoHill | well i have no job and about 12 hours of uni | 16:13 |
| CosmoHill | 2 of which is programming anyway | 16:13 |
| th0br0 | each week? | 16:13 |
| CosmoHill | 12 hours a week yes | 16:13 |
| CosmoHill | I also have 3 other assignments | 16:13 |
| th0br0 | that's sorty little, but 3 other assignments is much. | 16:13 |
| th0br0 | what do you have to do for them? | 16:13 |
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| CosmoHill | one of them is make a 20 page website and write 1500 words for it | 16:14 |
| CosmoHill | basically find the extra pages, make sure they all work and look the same, brower testing then write up the design | 16:14 |
| CosmoHill | another one is group design and that's going nicely | 16:14 |
| th0br0 | 20 page website o.O? you do weird assignments for computer science / computing;; purely html or are you free to use some other framework? | 16:15 |
| CosmoHill | the last one is project management where i have no idea what to do or what they want | 16:15 |
| CosmoHill | html + css + JS | 16:15 |
| CosmoHill | a waste of time IMO | 16:15 |
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| th0br0 | k. well, don't you do the project mangament by clearly writing out some project order, structure, roadmap etc for your rpg? | 16:16 |
| th0br0 | yeah, webdesign is kinda. | 16:16 |
| CosmoHill | it's like design of the internet that I did last year but with whole extra FIVE WEB PAGES | 16:16 |
| CosmoHill | project management is completely seperate | 16:16 |
| th0br0 | ah ok | 16:16 |
| CosmoHill | I need to find out how much it will cost to 1, buy software, 2, develop it, 3, outsource and what finnatal benifits it will bring | 16:17 |
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| th0br0 | sounds sorty boring / annoying | 16:17 |
| CosmoHill | i have no sence of scale | 16:17 |
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| CosmoHill | does the company spent £100 on software or £100,000 | 16:18 |
| th0br0 | aren't you free to decide that by yourself? | 16:18 |
| CosmoHill | I am pretty much | 16:18 |
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| th0br0 | huh? :D | 16:19 |
| CosmoHill | ********************************************************** | 16:20 |
| CosmoHill | Welcome to hell motherfucker. | 16:20 |
| CosmoHill | Name: Jon | 16:20 |
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| th0br0 | s/hell /hell, / | 16:20 |
| th0br0 | ;) | 16:20 |
| CosmoHill | it's one way to grab the lecturer's attention | 16:20 |
| th0br0 | but yah, might not be very appropriate. | 16:20 |
| th0br0 | mind sending me your current project? (just out of curiosity) | 16:21 |
| CosmoHill | I had this on my web design assignment | 16:21 |
| CosmoHill | http://www.machall.com/view.php?date=2006-05-15 | 16:21 |
| slavik | hahaha, that's funny :) | 16:21 |
| th0br0 | i doN't really get it | 16:22 |
| th0br0 | but the drawing style is nice | 16:22 |
| CosmoHill | I cropped it so it was only the bottom right | 16:22 |
| th0br0 | ah, but you got some minus points? | 16:23 |
| CosmoHill | I changed it before submission | 16:23 |
| CosmoHill | but the only demo still has it | 16:23 |
| th0br0 | ah ok ^^ | 16:23 |
| CosmoHill | I got an A overall | 16:23 |
| CosmoHill | *online | 16:24 |
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| CosmoHill | btw can you get dcc th0br0 ? | 16:24 |
| th0br0 | uh | 16:24 |
| slavik | CosmoHill: what uni is this? | 16:24 |
| CosmoHill | Anglia Ruskin | 16:24 |
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| th0dcc | CosmoHill: i can | 16:24 |
| slavik | outside of US ... figures | 16:24 |
| th0br0 | ;) | 16:25 |
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| th0br0 | CosmoHill: can't connect to you | 16:25 |
| * CosmoHill burns his ISP | 16:25 | |
| th0br0 | ;) | 16:25 |
| th0br0 | rather your firewall tho | 16:25 |
| CosmoHill | that's next | 16:25 |
| th0br0 | ^^ | 16:26 |
| CosmoHill | you're in europe right? | 16:26 |
| th0br0 | germany. | 16:26 |
| CosmoHill | oo | 16:27 |
| CosmoHill | wow that's depressing | 16:27 |
| th0br0 | why? | 16:27 |
| CosmoHill | I opened my assignment folder and it's empty | 16:27 |
| th0br0 | huh? | 16:27 |
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| CosmoHill | I opened my project managment folder and there was nothing in it | 16:28 |
| CosmoHill | IE I've done no work on it | 16:28 |
| th0br0 | ^^ | 16:28 |
| CosmoHill | which i have done but on another laptop | 16:28 |
| * CosmoHill points to the PM | 16:29 | |
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| th0br0 | haha, i see which demo you meant ;) | 16:31 |
| CosmoHill | :) | 16:32 |
| * CosmoHill wonders how you teach someone to RTFM | 16:32 | |
| th0br0 | duh, disgusting. | 16:33 |
| lbt | http://jwz.livejournal.com/1224702.html | 16:33 |
| th0br0 | are you jbz? | 16:33 |
| th0br0 | eeh jwz | 16:33 |
| lbt | no | 16:33 |
| CosmoHill | lbt: if i go blind by the end of the artical I'm blaming you | 16:34 |
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| th0br0 | CosmoHill: just disable the style -> view -> style - > no style | 16:36 |
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| th0br0 | right, i should get back to learning for tomorrow's driving test | 16:39 |
| * CosmoHill imminently wonders who old th0br0 is | 16:39 | |
| th0br0 | 16 years of age, at least, the last time i counted ;) | 16:39 |
| CosmoHill | son of a bitch | 16:40 |
| CosmoHill | i thougth you were in your mid 20s | 16:40 |
| th0br0 | why? | 16:40 |
| th0br0 | xD | 16:40 |
| th0br0 | no, unfortunately not. | 16:40 |
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| CosmoHill | does that mean I've been asking a kid for help with my programming? :o | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 16:41 |
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| th0br0 | Well, if you want to look at it this way ... feel free to do so. | 16:41 |
| CosmoHill | meh oh well | 16:41 |
| * Stskeeps was giving advice at 15 | 16:41 | |
| CosmoHill | th0br0: as long as you know what you are talking about I don't care about your age :) | 16:42 |
| th0br0 | good. | 16:42 |
| CosmoHill | th0br0: you're one year older than my car | 16:42 |
| th0br0 | your car is 15 years old and still working o.O? | 16:43 |
| CosmoHill | (but hopefully in better condition) | 16:43 |
| th0br0 | ok. | 16:43 |
| CosmoHill | what can I say, we get a new car when it's deaad | 16:43 |
| th0br0 | "we" is? | 16:43 |
| CosmoHill | parents | 16:43 |
| th0br0 | ok | 16:43 |
| CosmoHill | dad can drive my car | 16:44 |
| CosmoHill | but I can't drive his | 16:44 |
| th0br0 | That's the beautiful thing about insurances ... ;I) | 16:44 |
| CosmoHill | something about a full tank not increasing it's value | 16:44 |
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| CosmoHill | wait, if you're 16 shouldn't you be in school? | 16:45 |
| slavik | if a phone is at 'idle' ... would bluetooth use the most power? | 16:45 |
| CosmoHill | it does increase power useage | 16:45 |
| th0br0 | shouldn't bluetooth be deactivated when the phone is in idle mode? | 16:45 |
| CosmoHill | but i think it would use more if it was connected to something rather than listening for devices | 16:45 |
| slavik | I had it on and my battery was draining like nuts ... | 16:45 |
| CosmoHill | I can kill my Sony K800i in 10 hours from full battery ^.^ | 16:46 |
| th0br0 | CosmoHill: school times in germany aren't like in england ... like, you normally have school from 7:45 to 13:00 (at my school) and also sometimes in the afternoons up to 17:00 but right now i don't have school. | 16:46 |
| CosmoHill | bluetooth + 3G = >.< | 16:46 |
| CosmoHill | there's a 7:45 in the morning? :o | 16:47 |
| th0br0 | just why is 3G so heavy on the battery? | 16:47 |
| th0br0 | because the transmitter needs moar power? | 16:47 |
| CosmoHill | no idea | 16:47 |
| CosmoHill | this was a solid connection | 16:47 |
| CosmoHill | 15 hours constant use a day | 16:47 |
| CosmoHill | (i ended up running it off a charger somewhere near my laptop) | 16:47 |
| th0br0 | :) | 16:48 |
| CosmoHill | th0br0: yet another reason to burn my ISP | 16:48 |
| th0br0 | tell me | 16:48 |
| CosmoHill | ISP cut us off for 4 days | 16:48 |
| CosmoHill | after we finally convinced them that I'm nor a moron and that my router works fine they sent out an engineer | 16:48 |
| CosmoHill | or probably fixed it with 5 mins of arriving | 16:49 |
| CosmoHill | within* | 16:49 |
| CosmoHill | until then I used my phone as a modem for my laptop | 16:49 |
| slavik | CosmoHill: shouldn't you get a credit or something? | 16:50 |
| slavik | or rather money back? | 16:50 |
| slavik | since your laws are more sane than ours | 16:50 |
| CosmoHill | that means phone them and dealing with them | 16:50 |
| slavik | small claims court? | 16:51 |
| CosmoHill | no point, it was something like £2.50 we'd get back | 16:51 |
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| slavik | CosmoHill: was this a business connection? | 16:51 |
| slavik | CosmoHill: complain loud enough, you might get a free month ;) | 16:52 |
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| CosmoHill | home connection | 16:53 |
| th0br0 | slavik: only if isp and mobile provider are the same | 16:53 |
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| CosmoHill | they wanted us to phone from a mobile at about 50p a min | 16:54 |
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| th0br0 | have you already covered databases, CosmoHill? | 16:58 |
| th0br0 | or is that not part of your curriculum? | 16:58 |
| CosmoHill | i have | 16:59 |
| CosmoHill | MSSQL and MySQL | 16:59 |
| th0br0 | database theory and algebra sucks, aight? | 16:59 |
| * CosmoHill shurgs | 16:59 | |
| th0br0 | ok ^ | 17:00 |
| CosmoHill | 5 weeks planning, 20 mins implementation | 17:00 |
| th0br0 | huh? | 17:00 |
| th0br0 | databases? | 17:00 |
| CosmoHill | yeah | 17:00 |
| CosmoHill | it took me 20 mins to create the tables | 17:00 |
| CosmoHill | and a long time to plan them | 17:00 |
| th0br0 | well, yeah... more or less... er diagrams, normalisation... su~cks | 17:00 |
| lcuk | gets your mind into it tho | 17:01 |
| th0br0 | true. | 17:01 |
| lcuk | therefore it doesnt suck, its just long winded | 17:01 |
| th0br0 | well, admittedly, it's not as boring as algorithms. | 17:02 |
| th0br0 | although even algorithms can be fun from time to time | 17:02 |
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| * CosmoHill wonders were th0br0 leans all this stuff | 17:03 | |
| th0br0 | school. | 17:04 |
| th0br0 | advanced course in computer sience, at least, that's the rough translation. | 17:05 |
| th0br0 | and parts of it also out of personal interest. | 17:05 |
| CosmoHill | damn | 17:05 |
| CosmoHill | sounds awesome | 17:05 |
| CosmoHill | I did IT :( | 17:05 |
| CosmoHill | well done, you can use MS office, you're prepared for the world! | 17:05 |
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| lcuk | exam about the scary steven king clon | 17:05 |
| lcuk | clown | 17:05 |
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| th0br0 | well, it is ... theory. god damn theory ;) I'm not someone who likes theory. | 17:06 |
| th0br0 | But yeah, it's nice. | 17:06 |
| CosmoHill | i go back to uni tomrorow | 17:06 |
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| th0br0 | for how long? | 17:06 |
| CosmoHill | 14:41:59 up 141 days, 15:50, 1 user, load average: 0.16, 0.18, 0.08 :) | 17:06 |
| CosmoHill | 3 more weeks | 17:06 |
| th0br0 | ok | 17:07 |
| th0br0 | is that your server or some laptop which you are constantly hibernating? | 17:07 |
| CosmoHill | I have an exam on the 1st of june | 17:07 |
| CosmoHill | server | 17:07 |
| th0br0 | k | 17:07 |
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| CosmoHill | my server is 10 years old :o | 17:09 |
| CosmoHill | well some of it is | 17:09 |
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| CosmoHill | http://black-flag.co.uk/files/server/DSC_0284.JPG :) | 17:11 |
| th0br0 | aw | 17:12 |
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| CosmoHill | dammit | 17:14 |
| CosmoHill | I closed one tab and the whole program quit | 17:15 |
| koivula | hmm. does anyone know a free uk-proxy to watch snooker from bbc?-) | 17:16 |
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| CosmoHill | nope | 17:16 |
| Tumi_ | koivula: :D | 17:16 |
| * CosmoHill goes to the BBC and watches the snooker | 17:16 | |
| CosmoHill | oo better idea | 17:16 |
| * CosmoHill tunes into bbc2 | 17:17 | |
| CosmoHill | hey Tumi_ | 17:17 |
| th0br0 | you should work and not watch tv :P | 17:17 |
| CosmoHill | blow me :p | 17:17 |
| Tumi_ | hey cosmo! what's up? | 17:17 |
| CosmoHill | Tumi_: http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/AV/sub-no-grill.jpg :D | 17:17 |
| Tumi_ | suits with macbook ;) | 17:17 |
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| CosmoHill | th0br0: if i don';t have a break I'll go nuts | 17:17 |
| CosmoHill | or start speaking in C++ | 17:18 |
| CosmoHill | Tumi_: I have a powerbook :D | 17:18 |
| Tumi_ | :D | 17:18 |
| CosmoHill | and a MDD powerbook | 17:18 |
| CosmoHill | *powermac | 17:18 |
| CosmoHill | and a quicksilver powermac... | 17:18 |
| th0br0 | c++ is nice. | 17:18 |
| CosmoHill | and a sawtooth powermac...and a blue and white powermac... | 17:19 |
| CosmoHill | sooner or later my furniture will be based round computers | 17:19 |
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| Tumi_ | I've managed to drop mine to 4 \o/ | 17:20 |
| CosmoHill | all the G4 ones have had PSU failure :( | 17:20 |
| CosmoHill | and the mobo / cpu went on the mdd | 17:20 |
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| CosmoHill | it was a dual 1.25Ghz processors | 17:21 |
| th0br0 | why don't you throw the no longer owrking ones out? | 17:22 |
| CosmoHill | i know i should | 17:23 |
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| Tumi_ | ..but they look so cute! | 17:23 |
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| th0br0 | qt-ness is not an argument :P | 17:26 |
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| CosmoHill | i can see 10 computers from where I am sitting | 17:28 |
| CosmoHill | not including laptops or the ones under my bed | 17:28 |
| th0br0 | did you pay for them? | 17:29 |
| CosmoHill | some of them | 17:29 |
| th0br0 | right | 17:29 |
| CosmoHill | server and desktop are spare parts / upgrades | 17:29 |
| Tumi_ | Needless to ask whether a girl is living under the same roof ;) | 17:30 |
| CosmoHill | laptop was new parts | 17:30 |
| th0br0 | ;) Tumi_ | 17:30 |
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| Tumi_ | My wife would kill me if I had one more computer. | 17:30 |
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| CosmoHill | Tumi_: actually if you close the cupboard you can only see two | 17:30 |
| th0br0 | how many do you have<ß | 17:30 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, you have cars on your windowsill :D | 17:31 |
| CosmoHill | yeah ^.^ | 17:31 |
| Votan | imo it's all about how u make ur wife see the computers. As long as I can explai to my girlfriend what that computer is good for she's okay with it | 17:31 |
| CosmoHill | they're just there, they've always been there | 17:31 |
| Tumi_ | th0br0: me? four which of one is at work usually | 17:31 |
| th0br0 | k | 17:31 |
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| * CosmoHill is single | 17:32 | |
| CosmoHill | whoever says "no surprise there" gets a punch | 17:32 |
| th0br0 | btw, patentabsurdity.com | 17:32 |
| Tumi_ | Votan: yep, that's true.. an in my case both of us being on IT business helps a lot to prove a point ;) | 17:32 |
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| slavik | CosmoHill: 10 computers ... and you paid for some of them | 17:32 |
| slavik | CosmoHill: no surprise there :P | 17:32 |
| th0br0 | CosmoHill: Tumi_ already did that ;) | 17:32 |
| Votan | yeh I bet htat helps. I got the advantage that I am into politics and can sell u basically anything for beeing a good thing | 17:33 |
| Votan | :> | 17:33 |
| CosmoHill | for the 4 powermacs I paid £15 for the first one | 17:33 |
| Votan | omg, Macs?! | 17:33 |
| slavik | that's like 30USD ... !!! | 17:33 |
| Votan | way too much for a Mac imo | 17:33 |
| CosmoHill | sunblade was £50 ( £25 + £25 postage) | 17:34 |
| slavik | ooh sunblade ... | 17:34 |
| Tumi_ | Votan: :D | 17:34 |
| th0br0 | Votan: i agree. | 17:34 |
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| th0br0 | the operating system isn't even worth the 30€ i paid for it... | 17:34 |
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| CosmoHill | desktop was a mix of my current desktop and one my friend gave me + spare parts | 17:34 |
| Votan | yay, finally, normal people :) | 17:34 |
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| CosmoHill | powerbook was a present from my parents for getting into 6th form (look it up) | 17:35 |
| th0br0 | Votan: i do have hackintosh ehre though, as i do windows and linux ... just ... i need hackintosh (or windows) for some stuff and i prefer hackintosh over windows as it's more unix-like | 17:35 |
| CosmoHill | the intel laptop was given to me from a firend and £100 to repair | 17:35 |
| CosmoHill | (stop me if you want too) | 17:35 |
| Votan | th0br0 I have to admit i got a gaming rig running win7. | 17:35 |
| * timeless waves hello | 17:35 | |
| CosmoHill | hi timeless | 17:36 |
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| w00t_ | lo timeless | 17:36 |
| th0br0 | Votan: well, yeah, my 2k5 dell here is running winxp for gaming and uh, other game-intrusive actions. | 17:36 |
| timeless | this computer isn't reachable via dns anymore :( | 17:36 |
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| Votan | th0br0 yeh, well ... u dont get around windows for recent games if u do not stick to id soft or unreal stuff :/ | 17:36 |
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| * lcuk always thought timeless was in a blackhole, now its confirmed | 17:37 | |
| th0br0 | Votan: not true; if you want to play ue3 you gotta run windows, too. | 17:37 |
| CosmoHill | valve are porting games to mac | 17:37 |
| Votan | oh ? ok | 17:37 |
| w00t_ | timeless: domain expiry it seems | 17:37 |
| CosmoHill | have any of you actually seen my bed room? | 17:38 |
| Votan | i hope not. | 17:38 |
| th0br0 | Votan: the port was never released | 17:38 |
| th0br0 | CosmoHill: yeah, i'm looking forward to that. complete OGL port of the source engine(s) | 17:38 |
| Votan | th0br0 sucks, so they broke withtheir crossplatform tradition :( | 17:38 |
| th0br0 | Votan: more or less, but yeah. | 17:38 |
| timeless_mbp | w00t_: thanks for the hint | 17:39 |
| * timeless_mbp tries to place a phone call | 17:39 | |
| * w00t_ nods | 17:40 | |
| th0br0 | which domain? | 17:41 |
| achipa | lcuk: the mbp is misleading you. It's not Massive Blackhole Position | 17:41 |
| Votan | meego.com :Y | 17:41 |
| th0br0 | huh Votan? it's working here... | 17:41 |
| Votan | j/k | 17:41 |
| th0br0 | k | 17:41 |
| Votan | i dunno what domain :) | 17:41 |
| lcuk | achipa, time stops when you enter a black hole | 17:42 |
| lcuk | therefore the only way timeless can actually be timeless is if hes in a black hole | 17:42 |
| achipa | lcuk: time needs to exist to be able to stop | 17:42 |
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| CosmoHill | hey DawnFoster | 18:25 |
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| DawnFoster | hey CosmoHill | 18:26 |
| slaine | DawnFoster: congrats on the Collab summit | 18:26 |
| slaine | seems to have worked a treat | 18:27 |
| DawnFoster | slaine, thanks! I was really happy with the MeeGo track at the CollabSummit. | 18:27 |
| slaine | I managed to miss Ari's talk due to mixup on the time diffs, but I caught Imads, which was good as he covered mostly the same stuff but from a different angle, I believe | 18:28 |
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| CosmoHill | i may have accidentally knocked out the power cable | 18:29 |
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| shaunm | OgMaciel: hey | 18:48 |
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| OgMaciel | hey shaunm | 18:48 |
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| shaunm | OgMaciel: is there anything I should look at in the next ten minutes? | 18:49 |
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| shaunm | an agenda or something? | 18:50 |
| OgMaciel | shaunm: yup... lemme grab that for you | 18:50 |
| OgMaciel | http://wiki.meego.com/L10n_meeting_schedule | 18:50 |
| OgMaciel | shaunm: ^^ | 18:51 |
| OgMaciel | shaunm: we should be one of the first items in the ToDo list | 18:51 |
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| shaunm | thanks | 18:52 |
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| OgMaciel | you bet | 18:52 |
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| OgMaciel | 16:00 uTC | 19:01 |
| OgMaciel | Mon Apr 19 16:01:17 UTC 2010 | 19:01 |
| OgMaciel | mlfoster: ^^ | 19:01 |
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| CosmoHill | cock sucking netgear whore >.< | 19:47 |
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| DawnFoster | ok, CosmoHill, let's keep it clean here :) | 19:48 |
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| CosmoHill | sorry | 19:48 |
| DawnFoster | :) | 19:48 |
| CosmoHill | do we have offical rules on swearing? | 19:48 |
| DawnFoster | I don't think we have any official rules on swearing. | 19:49 |
| DawnFoster | I think we can use our best judgment | 19:50 |
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| GAN900 | Official rule is you have to file a bug each time. | 19:50 |
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| * thiago points out that common sense is not that common | 19:50 | |
| thiago | GAN900: file? How about *fix* one? :-) | 19:50 |
| CosmoHill | thiago: i has a question for you | 19:50 |
| Zeikko | It's impossible for a person who lives in a world bounded by uncountable amount of rules. | 19:50 |
| thiago | CosmoHill: shoot | 19:51 |
| GAN900 | thiago, not everybody is a developer. :) | 19:51 |
| thiago | DawnFoster: hey, how was LCS? | 19:51 |
| thiago | GAN900: not all bugs are code issues :-) | 19:51 |
| CosmoHill | thiago: do your sparc computers have serial management ports? RJ45 thingies | 19:51 |
| GAN900 | thiago, true, but many of THOSE require access rights or are severely limited in number. | 19:51 |
| thiago | CosmoHill: no clue. They are upstairs in the data room. | 19:51 |
| thiago | I don't have a key | 19:51 |
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| CosmoHill | hmm | 19:52 |
| thiago | and RJ45 is network, not serial... | 19:52 |
| thiago | GAN900: then people should refrain from swearing :-) | 19:52 |
| CosmoHill | actually it's just a cable | 19:52 |
| Zeikko | More of a socket | 19:52 |
| Zeikko | or plug | 19:52 |
| w00t_ | thiago: aww, they don't let you play with the toys? ;) | 19:52 |
| DawnFoster | Thiago: the LCS was great. We had a pretty full room for the MeeGo workgroup & the sessions went well | 19:53 |
| CosmoHill | you can use serial to RJ45 adapters | 19:53 |
| thiago | w00t_: they do. I have root access. | 19:53 |
| thiago | w00t_: I don't need to access it physically. | 19:53 |
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| w00t_ | thiago: eeexcellent. :-) | 19:53 |
| thiago | DawnFoster: cool. | 19:53 |
| lbt | any mic2 people in here? | 19:53 |
| * CosmoHill hands w00t_ a ginger cat | 19:53 | |
| thiago | DawnFoster: did you get to meet with my colleague, henrik? | 19:53 |
| DawnFoster | I'm guessing we had about 75 people in the MeeGo track (did anyone get a count)? | 19:53 |
| CosmoHill | i know you wanted white but this is the best i can do for such short notice | 19:53 |
| GAN900 | DawnFoster, no, but that was about my guess, too. | 19:54 |
| DawnFoster | thiago: i can't remember if I talked to him or not, but I really liked his session. | 19:54 |
| thiago | DawnFoster: cool | 19:54 |
| thiago | he's still stuck in the US though | 19:54 |
| DawnFoster | yeah, everyone is. Huge bummer | 19:54 |
| CosmoHill | or extra long meego development meeting :) | 19:54 |
| CosmoHill | if everyone is stuck there make the most of it and have move meetings :) | 19:55 |
| thiago | yeah, I guess he's doing some work, evangelising QML somewhere | 19:55 |
| GAN900 | Segway tours at the Wharf are a great way to kill time. ;) | 19:55 |
| * CosmoHill looks outsidee | 19:55 | |
| CosmoHill | okay I'm pretty sure that's ash and not a cloud | 19:55 |
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| thiago | clear skies over norway, air traffic is allowed | 19:56 |
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| CosmoHill | where's my memory card reader.... | 19:57 |
| CosmoHill | found it :) | 19:57 |
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| thiago | Nokia is organising bus tours now. From Finland to the UK, via Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Germany, then Eurostar | 19:57 |
| CosmoHill | ouch | 19:57 |
| Zeikko | haha :D | 19:57 |
| CosmoHill | i heard eurostar was £500 a ticket today | 19:58 |
| sp3000 | diversifying ;) | 19:58 |
| Zeikko | How about a virtual meeting? | 19:58 |
| thiago | oh, new email. Turns out Eurostar is full. The bus is taking a ferry to the UK. | 19:58 |
| slaine | time to head | 19:58 |
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| DawnFoster | The royal navy is sending ships http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/04/19/volcano.ash/index.html?hpt=T2 | 19:59 |
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| CosmoHill | wait, germany to eurostar? | 19:59 |
| thiago | and it will take a ferry from Helsinki to Stockholm, or drive to Talinn and then go to Stockholm | 19:59 |
| * Jaffa is on a ferry on Friday night (from Dunkerque); but still holds out some hope for the delayed flight tomorrow afternoon | 19:59 | |
| thiago | CosmoHill: Brussels, I forgot belgium | 19:59 |
| CosmoHill | what about france? | 19:59 |
| Jaffa | thiago: I'm in Stockholm; I could've grabbed a lift with Nokians | 19:59 |
| thiago | Zeikko: it's about people stranded | 19:59 |
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| * thiago has had two workshops cancelled already, one this week and one the next | 20:00 | |
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| sp3000 | thiago: well they can have virtual meetings with their families, doh :P | 20:01 |
| sp3000 | :| | 20:01 |
| thiago | puh, the webcam stream of the volcano is down | 20:01 |
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| Zeikko | thiago: ah, so people are in the wrong place in the beginning :) | 20:02 |
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| * thiago points out that both workshops cancelled were MeeGo-related | 20:03 | |
| lcuk | Jaffa, what happened with london event | 20:03 |
| Zeikko | sp3000: sounds like a great idea indeed :D | 20:04 |
| GAN900 | Volcano kills MeeGo | 20:05 |
| thiago | GAN900: no... | 20:05 |
| thiago | but it does delay the Qt 4.7 release | 20:06 |
| thiago | our webkit people are stuck in the US | 20:06 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, thanks for the issue! ;) | 20:06 |
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| GAN900 | Mmm . . . how helpful of Nokia to text me my travel info. | 20:07 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Both Fredrik Wendt and I missed it. | 20:07 |
| Jaffa | thiago: Fortunately, I'm stuck on client site; so it's not too bad | 20:07 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: More content contributors needed. | 20:07 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: Fleshing it out is easy (ish) | 20:08 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, yeah. | 20:08 |
| GAN900 | We need more incentives. | 20:08 |
| * Jaffa was trying to recruit RevdKathy | 20:08 | |
| lbt | to? | 20:08 |
| lcuk | jaffa were you holidying in stockholm or working? did work extend your stay/add extra for return trip etc | 20:09 |
| GAN900 | "contributed by ..." maybe | 20:09 |
| GAN900 | http://mwkn.net | 20:09 |
| thiago | for those interested... | 20:09 |
| thiago | Hekla has just started producing signs of smoke | 20:09 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Working. Here with 5 colleagues. | 20:09 |
| Jaffa | thiago: Oh, that's Not Good. | 20:09 |
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| Jaffa | GAN900: On each item? | 20:10 |
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| kkito_ | hello | 20:10 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, yeah | 20:11 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, at least you get your name in the issue, then. | 20:11 |
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| * GAN900 picked up a lot of screen scratches somewhere in SF. | 20:13 | |
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| sp3000 | from the news: "At least 'Hekla' is a lot easier to pronounce than “Eyjafjallajökull.”" | 20:16 |
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| thiago | don't forget Katla | 20:19 |
| thiago | Katla erupts after Eyjafjallajökull like clockwork | 20:19 |
| * thiago thinks pronouncing [ˈɛɪjaˌfjatlaˌjœːkʏtl̥] isn't very hard | 20:19 | |
| thiago | aside from the pitch accent in the first syllable | 20:20 |
| thiago | (after hearing several times the file from wikipedia, of course) | 20:20 |
| leinir | thiago: The problem is that people don't realise it's really three words ;) | 20:21 |
| * CosmoHill is getting twitchy cos of ebay | 20:21 | |
| Jaffa | thiago: An Icelandic volcanologist said that Eyjaf... "tickles" Katla. | 20:22 |
| CosmoHill | http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/ash2.jpg | 20:25 |
| th0br0 | thiago: yeah, i'm realling looking forward to Katla | 20:29 |
| th0br0 | it would be funny, if that volcano erupted, too | 20:30 |
| th0br0 | think of the economic impacts... | 20:30 |
| th0br0 | multiple airlines closing down due to bankrupcy | 20:30 |
| th0br0 | s/bankrupcy/bankruptcy/ | 20:31 |
| infobot | th0br0 meant: multiple airlines closing down due to bankruptcy | 20:31 |
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| th0br0 | and i also just do so very much love these doom-bringer forums such as http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread562355/pg1 | 20:40 |
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| leinir | th0br0: *giggles* They bring many lulz, yes :) | 20:45 |
| th0br0 | =) | 20:46 |
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| th0br0 | although the concern regarding an eruption of Katla is justified, i doubt the atmospheric results presented there | 20:47 |
| th0br0 | and right now, we've got a nice volcanic sunset here :)= | 20:47 |
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| leinir | Someone needs to go on that forum and just start talking about how great it will be to have Iceland not mess up the world economy any longer or something suitably flame-baitey like that ;) | 20:48 |
| thiago | leinir: have you seen the ransom note? | 20:49 |
| CosmoHill | thiago: do you know if they have to use special sun DB9 to RJ45 adapters or could you use cisco console cables? | 20:50 |
| thiago | leinir: http://pondus.no/Gerilja/Island-stor-ball/ | 20:50 |
| thiago | CosmoHill: I don't know. I don't admin those machines. | 20:50 |
| thiago | CosmoHill: I build Qt on them. | 20:50 |
| CosmoHill | :( kk | 20:50 |
| leinir | thiago: *giggles* Brilliant one, yeah :) | 20:50 |
| leinir | svuolera linked it in the cafe the other day ;) | 20:51 |
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| th0br0 | translated, thiago? | 20:52 |
| th0br0 | ... 30 billion € | 20:53 |
| thiago | th0br0: "ransom note" | 20:53 |
| th0br0 | .... islandic ambassadors? | 20:53 |
| th0br0 | .. ... volcano! | 20:53 |
| th0br0 | translate it for me? =) | 20:53 |
| thiago | "put 30 bn € in the trash can in the icelandic embassy and we'll turn off the volcano. Don't call the police." | 20:53 |
| thiago | that's not icelandic, actually. That's Norwegian/Danish with some letters changed. | 20:54 |
| thiago | and "-ja" after the verbs | 20:54 |
| thiago | leggja and ringja | 20:54 |
| th0br0 | oh right, that's no ! after the € but an i | 20:54 |
| th0br0 | legg -> put | 20:54 |
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| th0br0 | islendska -> islandic; ambasadins -> embassy; ... ring -> ring; polisin -> police... well, i just don't get the I natt, og ... one | 20:55 |
| thiago | "tonight" | 20:56 |
| thiago | og = "and" | 20:56 |
| pippin | and = "duck" :P | 20:56 |
| th0br0 | yeah, well, and, "ente" (german)... kinda similar | 20:56 |
| thiago | pippin: yes :-) | 20:57 |
| th0br0 | gosh, i should scan those goddamn documents and e-mail or fax them instead of waiting for the flights to continue :S | 20:57 |
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| * CosmoHill dances cos he's figured out he can use a cisco console cable | 21:06 | |
| th0br0 | ^^ CosmoHill | 21:06 |
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| CosmoHill | ebay is so stress full >.< | 21:06 |
| th0br0 | why? | 21:06 |
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| CosmoHill | as far as it goes they might as well be selling me magic in a box | 21:07 |
| CosmoHill | it's ultrasparc so it's hard to find fixes for | 21:07 |
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| Fiel | hola... alguien habla español?? | 21:10 |
| th0br0 | si | 21:10 |
| th0br0 | pero no se si puedo ayudar-te | 21:10 |
| Fiel | hola th0br0.... tengo una pregunta... | 21:10 |
| Fiel | descargue la imagen de meego... y quiero probarla... tengo un pendrive... que debo hacer? | 21:10 |
| th0br0 | es una buena pregunta uh... | 21:11 |
| th0br0 | dame un momento. | 21:11 |
| th0br0 | can we run meego off a usb stick right now? | 21:11 |
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| Fiel | soy novel en linux...... asi q no tengo ni idea de que debo hacer.... | 21:11 |
| Zeikko | th0br0: yes | 21:12 |
| th0br0 | Zeikko: some tutorial? | 21:12 |
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| th0br0 | or just dd the image to the usb stick? | 21:12 |
| Zeikko | that's it | 21:12 |
| Zeikko | Worked for me atleast | 21:13 |
| th0br0 | ok | 21:13 |
| DawnFoster | th0br0: instructions for using image on usb stick: http://moblin.org/documentation/test-drive-moblin/using-moblin-live-image | 21:13 |
| DawnFoster | these should still work for meego images | 21:13 |
| th0br0 | Fiel: tienes que utilisar dd para copiar la imagen sur el pendrive | 21:14 |
| th0br0 | eeh, "sobre el pendrive" | 21:15 |
| Fiel | dd es un comando de linux? | 21:15 |
| th0br0 | si. | 21:15 |
| th0br0 | uh, conoces el camino por el pendrive? | 21:16 |
| th0br0 | Zeikko: dd it to the whole stick or just a single partition? | 21:16 |
| Fiel | pues mas o menos.... dejame ver.... y te digo.... | 21:16 |
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| th0br0 | gracias | 21:16 |
| Fiel | puedo lanzar meebo como live cd o no me deja? | 21:16 |
| th0br0 | no se. | 21:17 |
| Zeikko | Can memory stick be partitioned? | 21:17 |
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| th0br0 | creo que no. | 21:17 |
| th0br0 | yes Zeikko but nvm, already found the answer. | 21:17 |
| Zeikko | Okay | 21:17 |
| th0br0 | Fiel: entonces, tienes que hacer "dd bs=4096 if=<camino por la imagen de meego> of=<camino por el pendrive (normalemente es /dev/sd[a,b,c,d,e,f])>") | 21:18 |
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| Fiel | Th0br0.... gracias!!!!! | 21:18 |
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| th0br0 | (pero sin el > y el ) ;) | 21:18 |
| th0br0 | si puedes hablar un poco ingles, puedes tambien visitar esta liga... http://moblin.org/documentation/test-drive-moblin/using-moblin-live-image | 21:18 |
| th0br0 | y de nada :) si tienes problemas, preguntame. | 21:19 |
| Fiel | sabes pq no puedo correr meebo en modo live cd? | 21:19 |
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| th0br0 | can meego be run off a live cd already? | 21:19 |
| * tripzero wonders if he is in the right channel | 21:19 | |
| th0br0 | oh you are tripzero | 21:20 |
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| tripzero | oh, good :P | 21:20 |
| th0br0 | he just happened to be asking whether someone can talk spanish. | 21:20 |
| Fiel | en este momento tengo en mi netbook... instalado.... una version de linux (creo q esta basado en debian) modificado por HP para que se use la multimedia e internet de pc | 21:20 |
| tripzero | th0br0, live-usb, yes | 21:20 |
| tripzero | ahh, okay | 21:20 |
| th0br0 | tripzero: but not live-cd, right? | 21:20 |
| tripzero | right | 21:20 |
| tripzero | afaik | 21:20 |
| th0br0 | ok tripzero | 21:20 |
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| Fiel | es una HP mini 1100..... y luego cuando entra al groub... puedo escoger entre win 7 (q corre relento en el pobre pc) o ubuntu netbook remix..... | 21:21 |
| th0br0 | Fiel: no se pq pero solo puedes utilisar meego en modo live usb (o tambien puedes instalarlo pero no es una buena opción por que meego no tiene mucha funcionalidad) | 21:21 |
| th0br0 | ^^ | 21:21 |
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| th0br0 | si, ubuntu es basado en debian | 21:21 |
| Fiel | pero es q aparte de ubuntu.... hay una distribucion de debian... modificada por HP.... cargar super super super super rapido | 21:22 |
| Fiel | como en 4 segundos | 21:22 |
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| th0br0 | ah bueno, no lo conozco | 21:22 |
| Fiel | desde ella puedo usar internet ver videos y escuchar musica | 21:22 |
| Fiel | la traia la netbook | 21:23 |
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| Fiel | es solo para internet y multimedia... no permite hacer mas nada... ni siquiera instalar aplicaciones | 21:23 |
| th0br0 | ah bueno ;) | 21:23 |
| Fiel | th0br0... de donde eres? | 21:25 |
| th0br0 | alemania | 21:25 |
| th0br0 | (pero hay 2 anos, pasé un mes en ecuador) | 21:26 |
| DawnFoster | Feeling like I should have paid more attention in high school spanish class :) | 21:26 |
| th0br0 | ;) DawnFoster | 21:26 |
| th0br0 | well, i actually spent a month in ecuador; otherwise my spanish skills would be significantly worse. | 21:26 |
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| DawnFoster | unless you practice them in real situations, learned languages rarely stick | 21:27 |
| th0br0 | true | 21:27 |
| Fiel | hablas muy bien español.... | 21:27 |
| th0br0 | gracias :) | 21:27 |
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| Fiel | th0br0.... tengo un problema con la instruccion dd | 21:29 |
| Fiel | esta es la instruccion q puse | 21:29 |
| Fiel | dd bs=4096 if=/home/fiel/Descargas/Meego/meego/meego-preview-shcdk-core-20100330-001/meego-preview-shcdk-core-20100330-001-sda.bin of=/media/JUSTO | 21:30 |
| Fiel | y me dice que JUSTO es un directorio | 21:30 |
| th0br0 | ah no :) | 21:30 |
| Fiel | justo es el nombre como se llama el pendrive | 21:30 |
| GAN900 | DawnFoster, that's the problem with US language education. | 21:30 |
| th0br0 | por favor, que es la emisión de "mount | grep JUSTO" ? | 21:31 |
| GAN900 | There aren't a lot of places in the country where it's easy and convenient to practice immersively. . . . | 21:31 |
| DawnFoster | GAN900 absolutely agree with that | 21:31 |
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| Fiel | le di la instruccion mount | grep JUSTO..... y me sale | 21:32 |
| th0br0 | uh... | 21:32 |
| th0br0 | ah si, sin las " por favor | 21:32 |
| Fiel | me sale /dev/sdb1 | 21:33 |
| th0br0 | Fiel: bueno. | 21:33 |
| th0br0 | eres root? | 21:33 |
| Fiel | tengo q correrlo con sudo? | 21:33 |
| th0br0 | GAN900: true, that's my impression from reading ajatt.com , too | 21:33 |
| Fiel | si.. tengo un usuario con privilegios de root | 21:33 |
| th0br0 | Fiel: haces: "sudo umount /dev/sdb*" (sin las ") | 21:33 |
| th0br0 | o... hay data sur el pendrive que necesitas? | 21:33 |
| Fiel | no.... esta limpio | 21:34 |
| GAN900 | The language education isn't particular better or worse than anywhere else, it's just hampered by students only practicing in class. | 21:34 |
| th0br0 | bueno | 21:34 |
| Fiel | le di la instrucion con sudo | 21:34 |
| Fiel | y debe estar haciendolo pq el pendrive esta encendido el led | 21:34 |
| Fiel | th0br0... has instalado meebo ??? | 21:35 |
| GAN900 | I had Spanish K-12 and I've forgotten almost all of it in the last 4 years | 21:35 |
| GAN900 | Never used it | 21:35 |
| th0br0 | Fiel: non. pero despues eso, tienes que hacer "sudo dd bs=4096 if=/home/fiel/Descargas/Meego/meego/meego-preview-shcdk-core-20100330-001/meego-preview-shcdk-core-20100330-001-sda.bin of=/dev/sdb" (sin las ") | 21:35 |
| GAN900 | Although my auditory comprehension actually went way up (relatively) after BCN | 21:35 |
| th0br0 | va tener algunas minutos | 21:36 |
| th0br0 | GAN900: BCN? | 21:36 |
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| lcuk | th0br0, barcelona long weekend | 21:36 |
| th0br0 | ah ok lcuk | 21:37 |
| Fiel | th0bro... gracias... ya termino el proceso | 21:37 |
| Fiel | voy a probarlo | 21:37 |
| Fiel | puedes darme tu correo.... por si tengo alguna otra duda? | 21:37 |
| th0br0 | mucha suerte | 21:37 |
| Fiel | o como puedo hacer para contactarte despues | 21:37 |
| th0br0 | aqui? | 21:37 |
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| Fiel | estaras aqui? | 21:38 |
| GAN900 | th0br0, maem.org Barcelona Long Weekend in December last year. | 21:38 |
| th0br0 | creo que si | 21:38 |
| GAN900 | oops | 21:38 |
| th0br0 | GAN900: ah ok. | 21:38 |
| GAN900 | what lcuk said | 21:38 |
| th0br0 | GAN900: didn't know that it was meego-related tho | 21:38 |
| GAN900 | th0br0, MeeGo wasn't a public thing in Decemberf | 21:39 |
| th0br0 | GAN900: sorry, maemo | 21:39 |
| th0br0 | those names are confusing | 21:39 |
| Fiel | bueno th0br0.... gracias por la ayuda.... voy a probar el meego... a ver como me va | 21:40 |
| Fiel | gracias!! | 21:40 |
| GAN900 | th0br0, yeah, it was a sort of ad-hoc local thing that turned into a lot more. | 21:40 |
| th0br0 | GAN900: how so? | 21:40 |
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| lcuk | GAN900, my first thought was to simply say bacon | 21:41 |
| GAN900 | th0br0, some local people decided to set up a Maemo meetup on a bank holiday and then a documentation, l10n and developer UX tracks got added on, Nokia flew out their UX/UI team, some Forum Nokia/Qt people and a bunch of community folks. . . | 21:41 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, didn't you hear? Bacon is bad for your heart. | 21:42 |
| th0br0 | cool :D | 21:42 |
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| lcuk | GAN900, ill keep that in mind | 21:42 |
| lcuk | but first, time for a blt | 21:42 |
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| aloisiojr | DawnFoster: hi, are the slides from meego workgroup already available? | 21:56 |
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| postmanPechkin | hi everybody) | 21:57 |
| brik | hi | 21:57 |
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| DawnFoster | aloisiojr: I'm going to follow up with people today and try to get them posted | 21:58 |
| aloisiojr | DawnFoster: ok :) thanks | 21:58 |
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| Fiel | hola | 22:10 |
| Fiel | th0br0...... no me funciona.... :( | 22:11 |
| Fiel | la pc se queda quieta.... no hace nada..... | 22:11 |
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| Fiel | th0br0... estas? | 22:16 |
| Fiel | regreso al rato | 22:17 |
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| postmanPechkin | )) | 22:19 |
| th0br0 | fiel oh | 22:22 |
| th0br0 | :S | 22:22 |
| marcos_ | hola | 22:22 |
| marcos_ | debería usar meego o moblin? | 22:22 |
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| GAN900 | Ugh | 22:23 |
| GAN900 | Contruction | 22:23 |
| GAN900 | just gets better | 22:23 |
| GAN900 | Construction* | 22:23 |
| GAN900 | Oops | 22:23 |
| GAN900 | wrong channel | 22:23 |
| th0br0 | uh, creo que moblin es mejor por el momiento. pero cuando hay meego 1.0 ; la netbook ux fuere el moblin 2.2 | 22:23 |
| th0br0 | GAN900: ^^ | 22:23 |
| marcos_ | gracias | 22:24 |
| marcos_ | meego es estable por el momento? | 22:24 |
| th0br0 | no, es mas o menos una version para los productores | 22:24 |
| th0br0 | s/para/por/ | 22:24 |
| infobot | th0br0 meant: no, es mas o menos una version por los productores | 22:24 |
| th0br0 | (and just why is everyone starting to talk spanish tonight ... ;) ) | 22:25 |
| marcos_ | ah vale | 22:25 |
| marcos_ | usare moblin pues | 22:25 |
| th0br0 | si, es la mejor opcíon presente | 22:25 |
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| postmanPechkin | ÷óâàêè, íó çàêàí÷èâàéòå óæå | 22:26 |
| th0br0 | pst? | 22:26 |
| th0br0 | eeh postmanPechkin? | 22:26 |
| postmanPechkin | íè÷åãî íå ïîíèìàþ. | 22:26 |
| th0br0 | postmanPechkin: UTF8! | 22:26 |
| postmanPechkin | foger | 22:26 |
| th0br0 | huh? | 22:27 |
| postmanPechkin | about it | 22:27 |
| th0br0 | k | 22:27 |
| haataja | is there a l10n meeting today? | 22:27 |
| DawnFoster | haataja - it was a few hours ago | 22:28 |
| th0br0 | doesn't look like it ;) | 22:28 |
| haataja | ok | 22:28 |
| DawnFoster | l10n Minutes: http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2010/meego-meeting.2010-04-19-15.57.html | 22:28 |
| haataja | thanks | 22:28 |
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| Myrtti | oof. | 22:30 |
| Myrtti | I was fast asleep then | 22:30 |
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| Myrtti | DawnFoster: I assume Margies mail address is of the usual first.last@intel form? | 22:31 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: meeting bot working OK for the various meetings - any improvements needed? | 22:32 |
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| GAN900 | Myrtti, think so. | 22:33 |
| * CosmoHill didn't win the bid :( | 22:33 | |
| DawnFoster | myrtti - yes it is | 22:33 |
| DawnFoster | stskeeps - seems to be working just fine. It's a huge help! | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | good :) | 22:34 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, i would like to see less duplicate spam lines as the same quesiton/answer/#undo is performed inline with the meeting itself | 22:34 |
| lcuk | the end result of it is great - really streamlined | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: i think if meeting participants made it a habit to prefix some of their answers, things would be less messy | 22:34 |
| lcuk | participants in the live meeting and even the organisers shouldnt relaly need too much boiler plate | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | difficult for a bot to distinguish between signal and noise | 22:35 |
| lcuk | when i have the multiple tiled windows open (questions/meeting/meego) i have a small window | 22:35 |
| lcuk | so it scrolls off quicker | 22:35 |
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| Fiel | hola de nuevo | 22:36 |
| th0br0 | buenas fiel | 22:37 |
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| Fiel | creo que fue un error mio.... descargue la imagen de meego que no era | 22:38 |
| th0br0 | entonces, no se por que no functiona ... el pendrive tiene bastante espacio de memoria por el imagen, si? | 22:38 |
| Fiel | si.. el pen drive es de 4 gigas | 22:38 |
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| th0br0 | ah ok | 22:38 |
| Fiel | pero es q descargue por error un archivo q no era | 22:39 |
| Fiel | en este momento estoy en la biblioteca de la U... pero ya van a cerrar... asi que me voy a casa... la descargaré desde alla | 22:39 |
| Fiel | y luego... probare | 22:39 |
| th0br0 | ok | 22:39 |
| Fiel | con el comando que me dijiste | 22:39 |
| Fiel | permaneces en este canal th0br0? | 22:40 |
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| Fiel | ya debo irme... gracias por la ayuda th0br0.... | 22:42 |
| Fiel | cualquier cosa volvere aqui por si te veo | 22:42 |
| th0br0 | ok | 22:42 |
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| CosmoHill | i was outbid by £40 | 22:44 |
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| th0br0 | :) CosmoHill | 22:46 |
| CosmoHill | wrong channel but meh | 22:46 |
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| haataja_ | any idea, what are the key topics in next TSG? | 22:59 |
| GAN900 | haataja_, should say on the wiki page. | 22:59 |
| haataja_ | tried, but failed.. | 22:59 |
| Stskeeps | haataja_: agenda should be up latest ~24 hours before meeting | 23:00 |
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| Stskeeps | http://wiki.meego.com/TSG_meetings#Next_TSG_meeting | 23:00 |
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| haataja_ | Stskeeps: link is ok, but info is quite limited :) | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i agree | 23:03 |
| * Stskeeps is hoping for parts of the backlog going in and obviously, his own proposal | 23:03 | |
| lcuk | where do i submit a proposal for a section of the meeting - it would be good for everyone in meeting to spend 5/10 minutes going over their best bits of the collab summit - it should draw questions from community and since the moderators were there can also get involved - it might break up the time a little better? | 23:06 |
| lcuk | premeeting smalltalk so to speak! | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: i add it to backlog, the moderation happens as TSG chooses what backlog items to pull in for an agenda, so | 23:07 |
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| th0br0 | lcuk: wiki page | 23:08 |
| lcuk | ok cool - its not anything more than an ice breaker | 23:08 |
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| lcuk | and this week especially people have different takes on getting back | 23:08 |
| lcuk | is quim even in .fi yet? | 23:09 |
| DawnFoster | quim is still in sfo | 23:09 |
| DawnFoster | talked to him a few min ago | 23:09 |
| DawnFoster | btw, we're working on the tsg agenda | 23:09 |
| th0br0 | sfo? | 23:09 |
| th0br0 | san francisco? | 23:10 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk - tsg is really mostly for decisions, so probably not likely to make it as an agenda item | 23:10 |
| lcuk | ok dawn | 23:10 |
| DawnFoster | th0br0: sorry, San Francisco :) | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: well, there could be worse places to get stuck than SF :) | 23:10 |
| lcuk | was just thinking of a way to get to know a bit more the participants - we all get the chance to talk here during the weeks | 23:10 |
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| DawnFoster | lcuk - I like the idea of it. but we need to find a way to do it outside of the tsg | 23:12 |
| * lcuk nods | 23:12 | |
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| th0br0 | they should just participate in the talk in here... | 23:13 |
| GAN900 | th0br0, +30 | 23:15 |
| Stskeeps | i think participation is more likely when we're at cruising altitude though | 23:15 |
| th0br0 | elaborate? | 23:16 |
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| GAN900 | i.e., the backroom wheelin' and dealin' is done with | 23:16 |
| GAN900 | and "open" actually means open. | 23:16 |
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| th0br0 | true. | 23:17 |
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| th0br0 | all right, driving theory test tomorrow :S see you tomorrow i guess | 23:18 |
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| CosmoHill | best of luck th0br0 | 23:19 |
| th0br0 | haha, thanks. i'll actually need that. | 23:19 |
| CosmoHill | between me doing the theory test and the pratice the theory test and the highway code changed :o | 23:19 |
| th0br0 | ^^ | 23:20 |
| th0br0 | right, ttyl | 23:20 |
| CosmoHill | cyas | 23:20 |
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