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CosmoHillcould it be a bad owner? first thing he wants to draw is boobs00:04
lbtyou've not met lcuk...00:04
CosmoHilllcuk: you can use fingers but not toughs00:05
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lcukCosmoHill, i noticed it when some of the microsoft surface apps werent working correctly00:30
lcuktheres a bamboo pond game00:30
lcuk2 players00:30
CosmoHillthat was you doing that?00:30
lcukone on each side of the screen00:30
lcukyeah00:30
CosmoHill:o00:30
lcukanyway - the water ripples occasionally glitched00:31
lcukand occured where fingers werent00:31
lcukso i backtraced and reproduced by drawing boobs and other things00:31
lcukseemed natural00:31
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CosmoHillwhat device was that?00:34
lcukpackard bell onetwo00:35
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CosmoHillthree!00:36
CosmoHillcool00:37
lcukshould be00:38
lcukit was the only intel processor model pc world has in, very tempted to take it back, then every time i do i see another bit of liqbase on it and wonder whether im bothered.  im geared for single touch more at the mo so ui is around that00:39
lcukrest of the machine is great00:39
lcukkids love messing on it00:39
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tremnite all, sweet dreams00:41
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lbtI got the MeeGo kernel (config-generic) modified to run on the Joggler01:01
CosmoHill:o01:01
CosmoHillyay01:01
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Myrttiffffreakin01:10
CosmoHillooooutt01:12
Myrtti*DINGDONG*01:12
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CosmoHillwho's there?01:12
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GAN900Anybody in SF at the Summit have interesting plans for tonight?01:41
Myrttiaw01:42
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* GAN900 was going to iron shirts he packed incorrectly, take a nap then find an In-n-Out Burger. ;)01:43
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CosmoHillhttp://cosmo1847.co.uk/?page=blog :)02:13
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CosmoHillnight night02:54
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NTUanybody out there?04:21
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cardmasterHi all06:25
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steventaohi there06:29
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CardMasterso many people but such a cold room09:11
Stskeepsi like to call it the sound of crickets09:13
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CardMasterhi stskeeps , are you from UK09:26
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CardMasterof course not.. hello German09:29
Stskeeps.. not that either09:29
Stskeepsi'm danish, living in poland09:29
Stskeeps:P09:29
CardMaster:O...09:30
CardMasterthis is it.09:30
CardMasterGermany is the server location, and it has nothing related with the person.09:31
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JaffaMorning, all10:50
Anss|Morning10:50
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amjadmorning10:57
Anss|http://meegonews.com/2010/04/13/first-meego-ui-images-surface-at-idf/10:57
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X-FadeThat's so yesterday...10:59
Anss|it was new to me :)11:00
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niqthi11:52
niqti'm in http://wiki.meego.com/Whos_who , but i joined in tow proposal groups, now i have remove from whos list?11:53
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izicoso many people here12:33
iziconot imagined12:33
* slaine checks12:33
slainehmm, yes, there is a lot for such a quiet channel12:34
izicobut all seems dormant accounts12:34
slainethey're just waiting for the next great flame war to begin12:34
izicoi'd best to leave the battlefield asap now12:35
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konttoriI think everybody is indeed waiting for some trigger event that would actually start making the meego community a reality. Looks to be slightly less people than on #maemo12:37
Termanalol I can't believe he actually left12:37
Stskeepsday one was supposed to be trigger event, yet not much changed :P12:37
X-FadeDevices drive people in there.12:37
X-Fadeno device, no buzz.12:37
TermanaI don't think everyone is buzzing with that MeeGo xterm either12:38
* lbt glances at #mer and grins...12:39
docksideday one changed a lot12:41
Stskeepsit dropped code, what else changed? P12:42
docksidethe amount of comunity development was multiplied12:42
Stskeepsgot any examples?12:42
docksidebefore day one meego could also just aswell been vaporware12:42
Termanadockside: Anything times nothing, is still nothing.12:43
docksidewell if i find one, it is a multiple of nothing12:43
TermanaIf you have 0 community development, and you multiply it, you still have nothing12:43
docksidethere was close to nothing before, less close to nothing now12:43
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docksideim quite sure the qout is quite high12:44
Termanadockside: -.- don't spoil the joke :P12:44
docksidehehe12:44
docksidewell12:44
docksideimo the community cant be a full community et12:44
docksideyet12:44
* lbt looks at the MeeGo Community 0BS (and that only works if you look at that first char *very* carefully)12:45
Stskeepsthere can't be a full community due to the fact development is not happening in the open, architecture discussions are not happening in the open, teams are not working in the open. it isn't public r&d12:46
Stskeeps:P12:46
docksidemost devs are not interested in creating the platform, rather decorating it12:46
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lbtdockside: most people don't run linux12:46
docksideindeed stskeep12:46
lbt"most" isn't what matters12:46
docksidenope12:46
lbt"some" is what matters12:46
TermanaStskeeps: Exactly, and wasn't all this suppose to come on day one? Or at least thats what I thought was happening, everything being opened - not just a code drop12:47
lbtdepends if "over the wall" is your definition of open12:47
docksideyes, "some" could easily be more then the nokia/intel employees, but as stskeeps said they dont really get let in atm12:47
stefan_eit will come in stages12:47
lbtdockside: we're in agreement12:47
Stskeepsdockside: well, there's no ways for people to show their worth atm :/12:47
docksidei surely dont :)12:48
docksideis there even a bugtracker open? all i found was the git repos12:48
Stskeepsbugzilla.meego.com12:48
Stskeepsthe collaboration summit is today right?12:50
docksidei cant make that list bugs lol12:51
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* Stskeeps is personally waiting for the collabration summit for any new info and then to start pointing out areas that really need improvement.12:52
mikhasit is so nice that I only needed one account so far for meego12:52
TermanaStskeeps: April 14-16, so yes12:52
TermanaAre they recording the sessions?12:52
Stskeepslive video streaming at least12:53
TermanaI saw that theres a live stream. Not too helpful for people that won't be able to watch it though12:53
docksidetrue :)12:53
Stskeepsvideo recordings prolly come afterwards12:53
Termanathat or we'll just have to bootleg the live stream12:54
TermanaDo it with an actual camera and hold it at an angle so it looks bootleg authentic12:54
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stefan_eMeeGo Workgroup Agenda - Thursday, April 15:13:12
stefan_eso it seems meego is on for tomorrow13:12
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slainestefan_e: thats at the collab summit I assume ?13:34
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slaineAnyone here that have control over the web infrastructure for MeeGo or do we have to wait for US timezones ?14:16
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CosmoHillI'm having a play with the contact form14:24
CosmoHillit's a nice design and does some cool things14:25
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CosmoHillso I'm trying to work out how to get them into my assignment14:25
CosmoHillget tekojo14:25
tekojoCosmoHill what?14:26
CosmoHillhey*14:26
CosmoHillI'm not to sure how I managed to make that type14:27
tekojo:) blame qwerty14:27
CosmoHillah I see, the h, g, t and y are typed with my right hand where as the e is one the left hand14:27
CosmoHillwhat layout do you use?14:28
leinirmmm, off-by-one, bringer of much amusement and hair-pulling since well... a long time ;)14:28
CosmoHillI kept misspelling egde and edge in my assignment14:30
CosmoHillso I did #define egdeClass edgeClasss at the top :)14:30
slaineI always mistype guint as gunit14:30
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CosmoHillslaine: i think tekojo might be able to help you with your meego website questions14:32
tekojoCosmoHill most likely not, currently you need to wait for the U.S. to wake up14:34
CosmoHillhmm14:34
CosmoHillwell i have a question about design14:34
CosmoHillhttp://meego.com/contact14:35
CosmoHillwhen you put your mouse over the inputs it changes colour, I can do this14:35
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CosmoHillbut how do I get it to stay that colour when selected?14:35
tekojoCosmoHill what browser?14:36
CosmoHillI'm in firefox14:36
CosmoHillI'd just like to know how to do it in CSS :)14:36
slaineWell, it's more a question about why some repo's aren't available publicly14:36
tekojoCosmoHill, no clue on that one. I think it's nice too :)14:37
CosmoHill:£14:37
CosmoHill:314:37
slaineI downloaded the kickstart file, http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/trunk/repo/ia32/os/image-config/developer.ks but it won't work as the repo's it looks for aren't available14:38
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CosmoHillif you ever wanna scare yourself, look at the meego css file14:44
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CosmoHillfound it14:46
CosmoHillit's :focus14:46
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th0br0ohai everyone15:32
Stskeepsmoo15:32
amjadhi th0bro15:33
th0br0mmh... gothic 3 is rather resource intensive it appears... at least, the performance is ... not good :)15:33
th0br0anyway.15:33
th0br0what's up?15:33
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* CosmoHill is working on a website and copying pretty ideas from meego15:55
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th0br0CosmoHill: haha, i gotta do that too in a bit.15:57
th0br0don't want to but the deadline is tomorrow ^^15:57
CosmoHilla website or copy the pretty ideas? :p15:58
th0br0the first one15:58
CosmoHillI've copied the idea of the contract page for my forms15:58
th0br0contract page?15:59
th0br0or typo?15:59
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CosmoHillcontact*16:00
th0br0k16:00
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CosmoHillI was tempted to make southern jokes on the website16:07
CosmoHill"Yvette's Bridal Formal, making your cousin attractive since 1980"16:07
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th0br0^^16:10
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CosmoHillhmm16:12
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CosmoHillhow do i get the text inside an input to be away from the left hand side16:12
th0br0huh?16:12
CosmoHilllike a margin or a padding inside the input / textarea16:13
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CosmoHilli think i have it16:13
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CosmoHillpadding :)16:14
townxelliotCosmoHill: isn't there text-align:right in CSS?16:16
CosmoHillthere is16:16
CosmoHillbut i just wanted a small gap between the text and the border on the lefr16:16
townxelliotCosmoHill: oh, but you just want it left-aligned but not at the edge16:16
townxelliotCosmoHill: right16:16
CosmoHillcorrect16:16
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CosmoHillI think I need a light blue for my forms16:18
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CosmoHillI've just found a sweet feature in textmate16:19
aldenhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/meego-gone-wild-features-detailed-companies-come-on-board-at-i/16:19
aldenthose screenshots are mockups, right?16:19
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CosmoHillit lists all my CSS elerments in my code and allows me to go straight to it16:20
Stskeepsalden: who nows16:20
Stskeepsknows16:20
aldenhehe16:20
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slainealden: I doubt it16:21
slainewe've seen those screens before (style wise, not exactly those images)16:21
slaineMoblin 2.1 for MID's had the handheld UI and Moblin-trunk in February was how the netbook UI looks in the screenshot16:22
Stskeepshmm. if i wrote up a short and sweet proposal for a policy of how meego teams/groups/wg should be operating to satisfy the distro being transparent/open in development (simple rules of conduct), how many would be interested in supporting it?16:22
Stskeepsand submitting for a TSG meeting16:22
Termanaalden: Thats a nice starting list of companies that are supporting MeeGo (if they are correct)16:22
slaineStskeeps: depends on the content obviously16:22
Stskeepsobviously16:22
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slainebut the secrecy has to end16:23
slaineor MeeGo will wind up like Moblin16:23
Stskeeps:nod:16:25
th0br0Stskeeps: depends on the content, but i'd endorse it ;)16:25
Termanaslaine - wind up like Moblin? You mean, merged with another project to make a bigger project?16:26
Termana:P I kid16:26
th0br0alden: the companies are funny... half are linux distributions16:26
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CosmoHillhttp://black-flag.co.uk/files/form-green.png16:28
CosmoHillwhat do you think of the colour?16:28
CosmoHilldamn, I should have shown you the whole website16:28
CosmoHillbrb16:28
niqthttp://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/194087/intel_puts_googles_android_on_atom_smartphones.html16:29
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Stskeepsand?16:29
CosmoHillhttp://black-flag.co.uk/files/form-green2.png16:29
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Termananiqt: Yes, and Intel are also teaming up with Google and Sony to make the Google TV. Intel's business is all about selling x86 processors, if you haven't noticed :P16:30
niqti don't know16:31
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* CosmoHill would like an IA-64 processor16:31
TermanaMainly Atom ones it seems these days. So many products using, or waiting to use them.16:31
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CosmoHilltbh I wouldn't mind an ATX atom motherboard16:32
CosmoHillmy server is idle most of the time so something that uses little power would be good16:33
CosmoHillhowever I heard that the chipsets that were used with early atoms used just as much power as the processor16:33
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slaineCosmoHill: you can get mini-itx atom boards and server chassis16:38
CosmoHillI'd like ATX or mATX so that I could add RAID cards or more SATA16:39
slaineah16:39
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slainewell, there is an Atom NAS platform. Perhaps something like that could run Ubuntu Server or something16:40
CosmoHillI've seen an ITX case that has 4 hot swap SATA drives16:40
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CosmoHillnifty: http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_3922.html16:47
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TheBootroohello17:42
lbtwhen's the live streaming...17:43
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TheBootroohave you seen the 'screenshots' of meego handheld ux released yesterday on intel IDF ?17:44
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slainelbt, if you find out, let us know17:46
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slaineTheBootroo: why the quotes ?17:47
leinirslaine: He likes bunny-rabbit-ears? ;)17:47
lbthttp://events.linuxfoundation.org/live/media-viewer?id=117:47
TheBootroodo someone knows if these pictures are real screenshot (so something already secretly developped) or just mockups/proposals ?17:48
* lbt wonders if the LF noticed that time is not the same worldwide...17:48
pippinlbt: doesn't everyone use UTC?17:48
lbtnope... unspecified local time17:49
TheBootroohttp://img80.imageshack.us/img80/8537/meegohandheldui1.jpg17:49
slaineTheBootroo: nothing secret about them17:49
TheBootroohttp://img198.imageshack.us/img198/5972/meegohandheldui2.jpg17:49
leinirpippin: Nah, internet time ft... well, for the something i'm sure ;)17:49
TheBootrooreally ?17:49
slaineLook for the Moblin 2.1 for MIDs demo on youtube17:49
lbtwhat TZ is San Francisco?17:49
TheBootroowhy do i find empty repos in meego gitorious in handheld ux section ?17:50
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slaineAnd the netbook UX is what was due for Moblin 2.2 and readily available upto late February via git and the moblin trunk repo17:50
TheBootroomaybe the ux is being developped in moblin git instead of meego gitorious ?17:50
slaineTheBootroo: Ah, thats where the conspiracy comes in17:50
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CosmoHillhttp://black-flag.co.uk/files/borderless-or-not.png what do you prefer?17:51
slaineeverything was taken off the web in February when they started consolidating the details for MeeGo 1.017:51
TheBootrooslaine:  i dont talk about netbook ux but handheld one17:51
slaineThat's never been publicly available17:51
TheBootrooso17:51
lbtslaine: starts in 1hr 10 mins17:51
slaineit was due for public release with Moblin 2.2 iirc17:52
TheBootroothese pictures are mockups not screenshot17:52
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slaineTheBootroo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZmkuuFKz5s17:53
TheBootroowhat is that ?17:54
slainea video of the handheld ui17:54
TheBootroobut this is not meego, its moblin17:54
TheBootrooand its not qt, its clutter17:54
TheBootroonothing common with yesterday pictures17:55
slaineNothing about Qt in yesterdays screenshots either17:55
CosmoHillhmm17:55
CosmoHillMOD News looks very familiar17:55
lcukTheBootroo, actually, its not just mockups17:55
slaineThe UX for Netbook and Handheld is clutter/MX based from Moblin project17:55
TheBootroobut meego is intended to be in qt no ?17:55
slaineYou develop your apps with Qt17:56
lcukthe screenshots seen yesterday appear to be simply evolutions of the stuff shown in this video from last year17:56
slainelcuk, that's what's got me so cross17:56
lcukwhether things have been reimplmented to same spec is another matter17:56
slaineIn 2 months, I doubt it17:56
|ToArtist|Is Esbox the meego develop Tools?17:56
TheBootroof*** i was hoping for a qt based desktop but in fact only apps are in qt ? so just like maemo 5 ?17:57
slaineTheBootroo: for now17:57
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slainelbt, thanks for the time info17:57
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TheBootroook so if i install meego on my n900 and i download and compile moblin handheld ux, i can get the same display as on pictures ?17:58
slaineTheBootroo: eventually17:59
slainebut as I said, the code isn't publicly yet17:59
TheBootroowhy ? isn't moblin fully open sourced ?17:59
slaineROFL17:59
slaineno17:59
slaineIt should be17:59
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CosmoHillthat's what meego is for :)17:59
TheBootrooi'm getting tired of these pseudo-open projects ....18:00
slaineBut Intel and Nokia like to do big reveals18:00
slaineSo after Collab and IDF we might be allowed access18:00
slaineit makes me sad18:00
slaineMoblin never really took of as a community because we never knew what was happening18:00
TheBootroobut being waiting maemo5 1.2PR, Meego 1.0 and Moblin 2.2 at the same time almost without information becomes really annoying !18:01
slainehell yeah18:01
slaineAlso, I was running that Netbook UI back in February18:01
TheBootrooi hope meego will be completely open and transparent at least ...18:02
slaineIt's not there, YET. But it should be heading in that direction18:02
TheBootroowhen will the intel IDF end up   :p  ?18:02
slaineIDF ends tomorrow18:02
TheBootroookkk18:03
slaineCollab ends either tomorrorw or the day after, not sure18:03
slaineThere's a TSG meeting next week, so it might be opened up for then18:03
TheBootroothese three pictures are the only one ever published by intel ?18:03
slaineyup18:03
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TheBootroois there a way to test meego preview image for N900 on my laptop using qemu ?18:05
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CosmoHillyes18:06
CosmoHillit's on the wiki18:06
TheBootrooTHANKS18:07
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CosmoHillaaahh18:11
CosmoHilldon't shout18:11
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TheBootroois wifi working in meego tp image for N900 ?18:13
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andrewfblacktwo questions, 1 are the little multicolored people on Meego.com like little meego mascots or something, two if 1 is yes are the images allowed to be used?  I couldn't find anything about them18:13
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slaineWhat time is the MeeGo collab talk on DawnFoster  ?18:15
slaineUK time18:16
slaine2200 ??18:16
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CosmoHillhmm18:17
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CosmoHillAvast sale, -167%18:17
CosmoHillthat's not right18:17
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TheBootroohave someone already tried to build a qt4 program on meego and run it ?18:19
CosmoHillthere isn't a GUI on meego18:19
CosmoHillnot yet anyway18:19
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TheBootrooi know18:20
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TheBootroobut we can already run graphical programs since xorg is present18:20
TheBootrooand qt too18:20
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TheBootrooso i will be the first18:23
TheBootroo:D18:23
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TheBootrooi'm going to test my own windows manager written in qt on my  n900 running meego18:24
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slaineA Qt window manager18:29
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* slaine boggles18:29
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slainecatch you all later18:30
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CosmoHillcyas18:30
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microlithmmm18:37
* CosmoHill got annoyed at firefox and remove it's database files18:38
CosmoHillfor some reason the bookmarks are still there and my history that is over 6 month old has returned18:38
* microlith moves closer to an OK for bailing to SF tomorrow18:40
achipaandrewfblack: still trying to figure out why the Maemo guy has an eyepatch and the Moblin one a hat. Or the other way round.18:40
andrewfblackachipa: lol18:41
leinirBecause both things are considered cool by people who don't value depth perception and lack of dandruff? ;)18:41
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achipawe need to figure it out, so we know what to take to the next Summit, Intel/Moblin folks should wear silly hats and Nokia/Maemo guys eyepatches. Jumping (as per the image) will be reserved for the party.18:44
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cyberkonsultDoes anyone know how to debug connman problems? (no wifi on my netbook-img)?19:55
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Myrttimeh. my throat is killing me21:18
Myrttialso: really weird be surrounded by Finns.21:18
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lcukMyrtti, you are finnish though!21:22
lcuki thought being surrounded by finns was a natural thing21:22
javispedronot a finn I guess.21:22
javispedro*for a finn :)21:22
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Myrttilcuk: not after a month in Silicon Valley21:24
th0br0haha ^^21:27
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GAN900Myrtti, where are you hiding?21:32
MyrttiGAN900: on the left, couple seats right from the loudspeaker and palm tree21:33
GAN900I'm sitting 3 rows from the back to the left center next to Texrat.21:33
RST38hWhat are you all attending, anyway?21:34
MyrttiA-HA!21:34
Myrttisaw ya21:34
GAN900Linux Foundation Summit21:34
RST38hAhh21:34
MyrttiLF Collaboration Summit21:34
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MyrttiI forgot my USB male - USB male cable home :-(21:35
GAN900Waiting for Ari's Keynote about MeeGo after lunch21:35
konttoriput out a qik feed if something interesting starts happening there21:35
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Myrttimy flipcam is running on fumes now21:35
lcukkonttori, too late with qik21:35
Myrttikonttori: they're streaming this21:35
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lcuktheres live feed available21:35
GAN900konttori, ustream21:35
konttoriah, ic. where?21:36
GAN900konttori, lf website21:37
javispedrohttp://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/collaboration-summit/live-video-streaming21:38
javispedrorequires free registration, though21:38
* X-Fade wonders if it is evil to post the direct link 21:38
javispedrodoes it work for logged out users?21:38
javispedroO.o21:38
X-FadeSure, it is just a ustream url.21:38
* lcuk has a logged in stream already21:39
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konttoribah, can't bother to create an account.21:40
konttoriI'm sure I can read highlights tomorrow from some blog.21:41
lcuklots of people live blogging on twitter21:41
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Myrttikonttori: http://www.qaiku.com/go/6oj9/21:42
lcuktexrat is gonna try a stage dive later21:42
fralslcuk: i heard texrat is going on stage to start irl flamewar deb-vs-rpm21:43
RST38hSuggest to him returning Texas back to Mexico21:44
RST38hThat will keep him distracted from the OTHER flame war...for a while.21:44
javispedrofrals: LIVE war.21:45
javispedrotwitter war -- meh.21:45
frals:D21:45
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konttoriMyrtti: thanks!21:47
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Stskeepsin an hour? arh damnit22:10
Stskeeps:P22:10
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pepsi44if i click on CALL in the people app on my netbook, nothing happens22:26
pepsi44wrong channel, pardon22:26
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lcukpepsi44, tsk tsk22:27
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bb0xfea22:34
Stskeepsb22:34
koupsac22:35
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koupsahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XEN4vtH4Ic22:36
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Myrttipft.22:42
Stskeepswhen's the talk?22:42
Stskeeps:P22:42
Myrttimeh22:44
Myrttiflipcam keeps complaining that it's too hot22:44
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Myrttihttp://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/4520678521/ :-<22:45
Stskeepsheh22:46
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X-FadeMyrtti: Go get some ice :)22:46
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GAN90022 minutes22:54
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Myrtti*sigh* I bet the flipcam won't charge in time22:58
Stskeepsyou're doing the streaming, Myrtti?22:58
MyrttiStskeeps: nope22:59
MyrttiStskeeps: I'm recording in HD though22:59
Myrttinot that it looks any good, I'm a good 25m from the podium22:59
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javispedro10 minutes?23:06
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X-FadeSweet music :)23:07
RST38hjavispedro: just noticed: OpenTTD is not optified =(23:07
javispedroRST38h: it is, how did you notice is?23:07
javispedroit?23:08
RST38hjavispedro: run that disk usage utility23:08
javispedronaah, it lies23:08
RST38hoh23:08
javispedrocheck where /usr/share/games/openttd links to23:08
RST38hack23:08
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* Myrtti holds her breath23:23
Myrttibut ohmy, I'm happy I've got British accent.23:24
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Myrttioof. I forgot the camera has zoom.23:29
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dcordesappologies for my jerky acting on here few weeks ago.23:34
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lbtthat thing on the right looks like an openpeak phone!23:41
javispedroi'm pretty sure it is23:43
javispedrothe newer opentablet23:43
lbtyep23:43
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lbtrofl - great quote "I have a couple of guys who do slides for me so I guess I'm at the peak of my career now"23:47
Stskeepsexcept the current slide is really bad23:48
Stskeeps10.2?23:48
Stskeepswhat?23:48
lbt2010 Q2?23:48
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Stskeepsmaybe, but insane for versions23:49
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HahStskeeps: What was so bad on that slide ? (it was not mine ;)23:55
StskeepsHah: well, it reminded me a bit of MacOS X versions :)23:55
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javispedrolol :)23:55
Stskeepsand calling it 10.2 all of a sudden, while it was communicated as 1.0 before23:55
javispedroMeego Leopard23:55
HahI am using one now ..23:56
Stskeepswell, nothing wrong with macos :)23:56
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HahLike Ari said, we will likely make mistakes ;)23:57
Hahalso with versioning system ...23:57
HahThere will be little bit more "hierarcy" on it23:58
HahBut it's better that other people reveal it when the time is right23:59
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Stskeepsversioning makes sense, was just surprised to see it on slides when last TSG meeting called it 1.0 :)23:59
w00t_mistakes are fine so long as they're learned from23:59

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