| smooph | hi is there a release date for meego for the n900 out in the open? | 00:03 |
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| thiago_home | yes, two weeks ago | 00:04 |
| smooph | I was thinking about the full release ready to use | 00:05 |
| smooph | not some terminal | 00:05 |
| arjan | as a real phone? | 00:05 |
| arjan | or for devel | 00:05 |
| arjan | as a real phone.. no idea if that will ever happen | 00:05 |
| smooph | why do you have doubt | 00:06 |
| smooph | ? | 00:06 |
| CosmoHill | cos of nokia | 00:06 |
| arjan | I don't think nokia has announced that | 00:06 |
| arjan | and I don't know if they even want to invest the $$ and people to make that happen | 00:06 |
| arjan | there is a huge delta between having something for developers versus having something end user "drop in" | 00:06 |
| smooph | so you think the next generation of mobil computers/phones will have meego but the n900 will not ? | 00:07 |
| arjan | again I don't speak for nokia | 00:07 |
| smooph | sure but i am asking you | 00:07 |
| arjan | but if I were nokia (I am not) I would not make it a product thing, only for developers | 00:08 |
| arjan | it is a LOT of work and takes a lot of time | 00:08 |
| arjan | for... well, how many people would actually use it? | 00:08 |
| arjan | (or better question, how many people would buy a phone only because of this) | 00:08 |
| smooph | well if they really plan it to be the platform for mobile hardware | 00:12 |
| smooph | its not only one phone we are talking about | 00:13 |
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| CosmoHill | http://forums.kustompcs.co.uk/showthread.php?p=470986#post470986 | 00:23 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 00:28 |
| CosmoHill | cyas trem | 00:28 |
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| Irishgringo | interesting.... a lot of people here | 02:04 |
| Irishgringo | anyone here? | 02:04 |
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| Irishgringo | i'm doing iphone, but wanted to look at meego... so can I use a MAC to develop? | 02:06 |
| CosmoHill | you mean a GUI application? | 02:07 |
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| Irishgringo | i mean any kind of applciation... I have a mac, and I want to DL an SDK for Moblin or something to try it out | 02:08 |
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| CosmoHill | i think you could use Qt creater | 02:11 |
| Irishgringo | well, it looks like there is an SDK for the MAC... does it include a simulator? | 02:11 |
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| CosmoHill | I'm a little confused about meego and your question | 02:14 |
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| CosmoHill | the meego GUI will be done in Qt, you can download Qt Creator for mac | 02:15 |
| DawnFoster | I think Irishgringo is looking for something like this: http://developer.apple.com/iphone/library/documentation/Xcode/Conceptual/iphone_development/125-Using_iPhone_Simulator/iphone_simulator_application.html | 02:17 |
| CosmoHill | hmm | 02:17 |
| DawnFoster | We're still in the early phases of the project, so we don't really have something like this yet. | 02:17 |
| CosmoHill | i think Irishgringo wants the meego equiverlent | 02:17 |
| Irishgringo | well, I have been looking around the moblin and meego sites, looking for some SDK to download so that I can see what it looks like. Ideally, there will be some kind of simulator as well. I dont have a netbook or a nokia handset. Just a MAC, an Iphone and an iPAD. But I dont know what to do next to get started. Even a simple howto would be nice. doing something like the video on moblin... | 02:18 |
| Irishgringo | ...would be nice. | 02:18 |
| CosmoHill | DawnFoster: I'm i right in thinking that people could develop UI applications for meego using Qt creator? | 02:18 |
| Irishgringo | I do iPhone stuff all say... I am interested in testing Meego stuff... and I cant find a starting place. | 02:18 |
| Irishgringo | DawnFoster: No... I dont need that. I need the equiv for meego if there is one | 02:19 |
| Irishgringo | DawnFoster: i think your the one that setup the wiki? | 02:19 |
| DawnFoster | Irishgringo: I know - that was an example of what you needed, but for MeeGo. | 02:19 |
| DawnFoster | Irishgringo: right now, we're still developing the core MeeGo platform, so we don't quite have all of the components put together for application developers. | 02:19 |
| Irishgringo | should I come back next month? | 02:20 |
| CosmoHill | meego won't have a GUI until 1.1, correct? | 02:20 |
| DawnFoster | IrishGringo: exactly what I was going to suggest :) | 02:20 |
| DawnFoster | CosmoHill: we should have a GUI in the first release | 02:20 |
| Irishgringo | you have a lot of users in here... all contributors? | 02:21 |
| CosmoHill | I'll help out on the channel where I can | 02:21 |
| DawnFoster | we have some contributors and a lot of lurkers :) | 02:21 |
| CosmoHill | I'll learn what I can and then pass it on | 02:21 |
| Irishgringo | what about the moblin SDK? is that not an option? I forget if there is a MAC sdk, but I dont htink so. | 02:21 |
| CosmoHill | in linux you could chroot into meego and that would sort of give you a simulation | 02:22 |
| DawnFoster | Enough has changed between Moblin and MeeGo that you should probably wait rather than using the older SDK | 02:22 |
| lcuk | Irishgringo, what apps do you write on mac | 02:22 |
| CosmoHill | for mac and windows I think you'd need a virtual machine to run meego | 02:22 |
| CosmoHill | DawnFoster: btw a few of us would like virtualbox / vmware support in the meego kernel | 02:23 |
| Irishgringo | lcuk: iPhone and iPad... some telecom stuff and social networking stuff. I also do DRUPAL, and I was looking for some Kiosk solutions using ATOM processots | 02:23 |
| lcuk | ok, so very gui oriented | 02:24 |
| DawnFoster | CosmoHill: have we had that discussion in meego-dev, yet? Might be a good place for it - I don't remember seeing it. | 02:24 |
| Irishgringo | DawnFoster: so what is the prefered development platform? | 02:24 |
| lcuk | you had much success in appstore? | 02:24 |
| CosmoHill | DawnFoster: my brain mine explode from dealing with 6 channels at once but I'll give it a go tomorrow | 02:25 |
| Irishgringo | lcuk: for the kiosk yes... and DRUPAL is very FLASH friendly, iPhone NOT... so I was looking for alternative Kiosk OS. But there are a lot of linux distros to choose from | 02:25 |
| CosmoHill | flash sucks | 02:26 |
| CosmoHill | flash 10.1 is better but still a lot of processor useage | 02:26 |
| lcuk | flash works for people | 02:26 |
| lcuk | its got a decent set of jobs under it | 02:26 |
| lcuk | ive seen some good things in it too | 02:27 |
| lcuk | Irishgringo, what do you tihnk about the smaller form factor - you mention iphone, but your experience sounds more server side | 02:27 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: just ignore me, I'm a bit bitter cos my laptop can;t do anything but 360p on youtube | 02:30 |
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| lcuk | heh CosmoHill | 02:33 |
| lcuk | http://xkcd.com/676/ | 02:34 |
| CosmoHill | hehe | 02:34 |
| CosmoHill | I'm on powerpc | 02:35 |
| CosmoHill | at some point I will have to move to linux | 02:35 |
| CosmoHill | maybe a port of meego | 02:35 |
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| CosmoHill | night night | 02:42 |
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| MeegoArg | Hi!! I have the LG X110 netbook (the same as MSI Wind U100), and when I try to boot the .usbimg the process stop at "kernel_thread_helper+0x6/0x10". Anybody solve this problem and can help me? | 03:26 |
| _Sky_ | maybe its not IA32 compatible | 03:27 |
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| glinpus | may people have had the same issue, does the same for me in qemu/kvm | 03:28 |
| glinpus | many* | 03:28 |
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| _Sky_ | i portet the kernel to x86 and made an virtualbox image out of it, you may want to try it out | 03:28 |
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| glinpus | yeah, but I don't want to test a different kernel, I want the meego one | 03:29 |
| _Sky_ | its here on CosmoHills server http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/meego-x86.vdi | 03:29 |
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| _Sky_ | its the meego one, except that i replaced the cpu config | 03:29 |
| glinpus | well, it is and it isn't | 03:30 |
| glinpus | at the source level, sure | 03:30 |
| _Sky_ | exact same configuration and modules except cpu architecture | 03:30 |
| glinpus | but I'm testing the distro as a whole, I don't want to swap out pieces | 03:30 |
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| glinpus | hopefully the next spin will work better | 03:31 |
| _Sky_ | its not very useful as a whole at the moment, there is just the basic system and initial work on the gui | 03:32 |
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| glinpus | yes, i know | 03:32 |
| MeegoArg | ok _Sky, but i 'd read that run correctly on MSI, (the same Atom processor like LG).... (excuse me, my english it's not the better...jaja!!) | 03:34 |
| MeegoArg | thank's glinpus, I'll download your image... | 03:34 |
| _Sky_ | i dont know much about the processors actually supported, but the kernel configuration said: Intel M | 03:35 |
| _Sky_ | sorry, i correct: PENTIUM M | 03:36 |
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| MeegoArg | but at Meego say's "Intel Atom-based netbooks", Are there any netbook with pentium M???!!! | 03:41 |
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| _Sky_ | i don't know, thats just what i found in a .config the the meego kernel image, i'm also just a community user and no meego core developer ;) | 03:43 |
| MeegoArg | ok, thank's, I'll continue looking for the solution... or I 'll have to wait that more advanced development will release.. | 03:48 |
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| akadaedalus | I'm wishing I could get a built developer's copy of Moblin before the merger, with 2.6.33 kernel. | 04:04 |
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| _Sky_ | akadaedalus: you can try to build your own kernel | 04:06 |
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| _Sky_ | but i guess it won't be easy because some meego/moblin components may depend on features of the new kernel | 04:07 |
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| _Sky_ | somebody just replaced the kernel with an ubuntu 2.6.31 kernel and it worked, but there were some issues with the mouse input | 04:09 |
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| akadaedalus | I may not necessarily need to, just came across some messages saying that support for the realtek r8192se_pci drivers were included and working in the latest kernel. | 04:10 |
| akadaedalus | Need support for the intel gma 950 too. | 04:13 |
| akadaedalus | I'd be happy if I could just replicate the UX on top of gentoo. :) | 04:13 |
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| toefraz | hey guys. I'm looking for a mirror of the old Moblin repository. I need the image file for the final IVI project release w/ IEGD | 04:16 |
| toefraz | can anybody help me out with that? | 04:16 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | i found the congatec ivi starter kit | 06:26 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | :D | 06:26 |
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| RST38h | EHLO all | 08:20 |
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| Guest22235 | Does mer support to be ported to Arm9 based device? | 09:37 |
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| Stskeeps | bit out of scope here | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | and i would port meego instead, but i think that's ARMv5 and above | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | Guest22235: if it's a arm926ej-s or alike, MeeGo should work | 09:40 |
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| Guest22235 | Yes,it is a amr926ej-s | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | needs MMU for sure | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | i'm personally still wondering when someone insane comes along and puts meego on Nokia 770.. | 09:42 |
| Guest22235 | Mer can provide all the source code ,but the meego can not now | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | sure they can - the repositories has full source code | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | srpms | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | which ironically enough, is better than what Mer does atm :P | 09:43 |
| Guest22235 | I have checked that,only get a few. sorry I am not familiar with the rpm | 09:43 |
| thiago_home | the only statement I have of record is that MeeGo would support OMAP3 and above | 09:43 |
| thiago_home | that's ARMv7 | 09:44 |
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| Stskeeps | thiago_home: we're built for ARMv5 currently | 09:44 |
| thiago_home | I know | 09:44 |
| thiago_home | but maybe rebuilt for ARMv6+VFP | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | vfp would be a good gain | 09:45 |
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| Guest22235 | (we're built for ARMv5 currently) this is about meego or the mer | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | both, really | 09:45 |
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| Guest22235 | good news | 09:46 |
| thiago_home | there's no official commitment to continue at v5 | 09:46 |
| thiago_home | the only commitment is to support the N900 hardware and better | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 09:47 |
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| Stskeeps | at least we're in the good situation that community rebuilds are possible | 09:47 |
| Guest22235 | android support armv5 very well | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | due to the open nature of meego | 09:47 |
| Guest22235 | where is the source code site of meego? thks | 09:48 |
| Anss| | meego.gitorious | 09:48 |
| thiago_home | I guess what will drive this is what devices ship | 09:50 |
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| Anss| | older processor families might be cheaper and more suitable for some appliances, like in-vechicle devices? | 09:50 |
| thiago_home | if a company wants to ship an ARMv5 device and it's a relevant one, the builds may support that | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | which makes sense | 09:51 |
| Anss| | *vehicle | 09:51 |
| tmzt_ | or, hey, armv6novfp :) | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | the interesting part would then be if for instance a HW adaptation being done by let's say, maemo.org, counts as 'need to be officially supported' | 09:51 |
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| powerpup118 | ls | 10:19 |
| powerpup118 | anyone awake..? :D | 10:20 |
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| powerpup118 | everyone dead ? | 10:20 |
| amjad | me is awake | 10:20 |
| powerpup118 | hi ^^ | 10:20 |
| powerpup118 | does anyone know where moblin applications moved to? | 10:21 |
| powerpup118 | I checked git.moblin.org but like for instance moblin-panel is missing like it was taken down recently | 10:21 |
| powerpup118 | I guess it's being moved to meego's git repo? | 10:22 |
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| leon7176 | I see the MeeGo architecture containing Device Services and it was consist of Device Health, Sensor Framework, Resource Manager and Backup /Restore items. | 12:22 |
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| leon7176 | Have any information or project related with them? | 12:22 |
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| steventao | Hi, all | 12:39 |
| steventao | I have some problem when I run mic-image-creator. | 12:40 |
| steventao | There is an error message, ValueError:need more than 1 value to unpack. | 12:40 |
| steventao | I use the arm-n900.ks. | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | what OS are you running it on? | 12:42 |
| steventao | fedora 12 | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | pastebin the full error please | 12:42 |
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| steventao | ok, please wait | 12:43 |
| steventao | [u'armv5tel'] | 12:45 |
| steventao | MeeGo release 1.0 | 12:45 |
| steventao | Loading dm_snapshot... | 12:45 |
| steventao | Traceback (most recent call last): | 12:45 |
| steventao | File "/usr/bin/mic-image-creator", line 597, in <module> | 12:45 |
| steventao | ret = main() | 12:45 |
| steventao | File "/usr/bin/mic-image-creator", line 562, in main | 12:45 |
| steventao | creator.mount(None, options.cachedir) | 12:45 |
| steventao | File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/mic/imgcreate/creator.py", line 611, in mount | 12:45 |
| steventao | self._root_fs_avail = get_filesystem_avail(self._instroot) | 12:45 |
| steventao | File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/mic/imgcreate/misc.py", line 129, in get_filesystem_avail | 12:45 |
| steventao | output.split('\n')[1].split() | 12:45 |
| steventao | ValueError: need more than 1 value to unpack | 12:45 |
| om26er | no foodbot in here ;-) | 12:45 |
| steventao | Sorry, I don't understand what you mean. | 12:46 |
| TigerTael | pastebin | 12:46 |
| steventao | hmm... | 12:48 |
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| steventao | [steventao@Meego meego]$ sudo mic-image-creator --config=arm-n900.ks --format=ra | 12:56 |
| steventao | [main] | 12:56 |
| steventao | use_comps=1 | 12:56 |
| steventao | default_ks=default.ks | 12:56 |
| steventao | cachedir=/var/tmp/cache | 12:56 |
| steventao | distro_name=MeeGo | 12:56 |
| steventao | image_format=livecd | 12:56 |
| steventao | tmpdir=/var/tmp | 12:56 |
| steventao | outdir=. | 12:56 |
| steventao | Geting repomd.xml from repo meego-trunk... | 12:56 |
| steventao | Getting primary.sqlite from repo meego-trunk... | 12:56 |
| steventao | Getting patterns repodata/f1b8b211e1f586e7cf86bc8e0d7f6feddd4f9f8e3ef5d2d939df35cb59e8393d-patterns.xml.gz from repo meego-trunk... | 12:56 |
| steventao | Getting comps repodata/a5a4a61a706ac74dc40f7ef8ec2f86a6476124a62a4f0092d62c9d9d00ddd992-comps.xml.gz from repo meego-trunk... | 12:56 |
| steventao | Geting repomd.xml from repo meego-device-n900... | 12:56 |
| steventao | Getting primary.sqlite from repo meego-device-n900... | 12:56 |
| steventao | [u'armv5tel'] | 12:56 |
| steventao | MeeGo release 1.0 | 12:56 |
| steventao | Loading dm_snapshot... | 12:56 |
| steventao | Traceback (most recent call last): | 12:56 |
| steventao | File "/usr/bin/mic-image-creator", line 597, in <module> | 12:56 |
| steventao | ret = main() | 12:56 |
| steventao | File "/usr/bin/mic-image-creator", line 562, in main | 12:56 |
| steventao | creator.mount(None, options.cachedir) | 12:56 |
| steventao | File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/mic/imgcreate/creator.py", line 611, in mount | 12:56 |
| steventao | self._root_fs_avail = get_filesystem_avail(self._instroot) | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | pastebin.com | 12:56 |
| steventao | File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/mic/imgcreate/misc.py", line 129, in get_filesystem_avail | 12:57 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Stskeeps | 12:57 | |
| steventao | output.split('\n')[1].split() | 12:57 |
| *** steventao was kicked by Stskeeps (steventao) | 12:57 | |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: -o Stskeeps | 12:57 | |
| slaine | Stskeeps: fastest guns in the west | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | no, slightly delayed | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | sent him instructions in private | 12:58 |
| slaine | :) | 12:58 |
| TigerTael | idiooooooooots | 12:59 |
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| steventao | Hi, just did some stupid thing. XD | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | got my instructions? :P | 14:36 |
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| steventao | Yeah | 14:37 |
| steventao | Ha | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | good :) | 14:37 |
| steventao | The log http://meego.pastebin.com/bfjchKrV | 14:38 |
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| steventao | Is there anything wrong? | 14:43 |
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| steventao | I try the meego-preview-netbook-core.ks. | 16:17 |
| steventao | build success and work on qemu. | 16:17 |
| steventao | I don't understand why I can't use arm-n900.ks. | 16:18 |
| steventao | Orz ... | 16:18 |
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| Stskeeps | did you pastebin the error? | 16:20 |
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| steventao | yes | 16:21 |
| steventao | http://meego.pastebin.com/bfjchKrV | 16:21 |
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| Stskeeps | use --format=loop instead | 16:22 |
| steventao | Could it be an error in repomd.xml? | 16:22 |
| steventao | hmm,I try it. | 16:22 |
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| steventao | No, there is still some error. | 16:26 |
| steventao | Faild to find package. | 16:27 |
| steventao | So.....which format I should use? | 16:28 |
| steventao | I have a question. Is the ks file related to image format? | 16:30 |
| lbt | no | 16:31 |
| lbt | the ks file says what packages | 16:31 |
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| lbt | the format says whether it's an iso, loopback etc | 16:31 |
| steventao | See. In another word, no matter what ks file I use, the error meesage sould be the same. | 16:33 |
| steventao | Is it? | 16:34 |
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| th0br0 | ohai. | 17:05 |
| slaine | yo | 17:05 |
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| slaine | I really hope we see a nice tablet design from the meego UI experts | 17:39 |
| slaine | otherwise, I'll be forced to buy an iPad to fulfill my gadget lust. | 17:39 |
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| aquatix | slaine: be sure to check out the NotionInk Adam | 17:49 |
| aquatix | it's slick imho | 17:49 |
| slaine | yeah, I've seen it | 17:49 |
| slaine | but it's running android which is a big negative for me | 17:49 |
| aquatix | i *can* run android | 17:49 |
| aquatix | also regular linux | 17:49 |
| slaine | hence my hope for a good meego solution for that space | 17:50 |
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| slaine | a regular distro would be aweful | 17:50 |
| aquatix | ah right | 17:50 |
| slaine | Software is the key to those types of devices | 17:50 |
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| aquatix | tablet meego on an Adam would be interesting indeed | 17:51 |
| slaine | hell yeah | 17:51 |
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| javispedro | isn't everyone in SF? | 18:58 |
| javispedro | or flying there | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | possibly | 18:58 |
| * javispedro couldn't go :( | 18:58 | |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, you going? | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 19:00 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, ever been stateside tho? | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 19:02 |
| slaine | That starts tomorrow doesn't it ? | 19:03 |
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| lcuk | started already based on releases and things | 19:03 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: you're not missing much... Think coldwar Russia... | 19:03 |
| lcuk | but i think yes | 19:03 |
| javispedro | seems so. | 19:03 |
| javispedro | I hope something remotely interesting gets said :) | 19:04 |
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| lcuk | im sure many words will be spoken | 19:04 |
| javispedro | btw there will be live video streaming, but requires subscription | 19:04 |
| slaine | ffs | 19:04 |
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| slaine | lcuk: what releases ? | 19:05 |
| lbt | you can't just broadcast pictures to the world slaine! Think of the children! | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: subscription? | 19:05 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: free | 19:05 |
| DawnFoster | I'm still here :) | 19:05 |
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| lcuk | slaine, the list of collaborators and the ux glimpes | 19:05 |
| DawnFoster | I fly to SF in a couple of hours | 19:05 |
| slaine | Wasn't that from the IDF ? | 19:05 |
| lbt | hello DawnFoster | 19:05 |
| lcuk | javispedro, ??? subscription streaming | 19:06 |
| javispedro | subscription, registration... | 19:06 |
| javispedro | :P | 19:06 |
| DawnFoster | I think those images were from IDF | 19:06 |
| slaine | and got any urls to the UX glimpses | 19:06 |
| DawnFoster | in beijing | 19:06 |
| javispedro | DawnFoster: yes | 19:06 |
| slaine | DawnFoster: safe traveling | 19:06 |
| javispedro | DawnFoster: the original article says so | 19:06 |
| slaine | anyone got a url ? | 19:06 |
| javispedro | (however the url seems to return 404 atm) | 19:06 |
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| slaine | that makes me sad | 19:06 |
| javispedro | slaine: https://intel.wingateweb.com/bj10/scheduler/catalog/catalog.jsp | 19:07 |
| javispedro | also, https://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/collaboration-summit/live-video-streaming | 19:07 |
| DawnFoster | This is the link that was posted in the forum this am: http://carrypad.com/2010/04/13/meego-at-idf-netbook-and-handheld-eye-candy-chrome-fennec-and-lots-of-developer-details/ | 19:07 |
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| lcuk | dawn is alex_vf happy having his fragments posted :D | 19:10 |
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| Stskeeps | arjan: btw, why 120 and not 96 which is what most distros use as lie? :P | 19:11 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: doing anything on the kernel pkging? | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i'd like to fix it but i'm not sure how to do it the best | 19:12 |
| lbt | state the design objectives first | 19:13 |
| lbt | ie 1 pkg to produce multiple kernels with a master policy config and then variants per HW device | 19:13 |
| slaine | WTF, Fennec on MeeGo Handheld ?? | 19:13 |
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| Stskeeps | why not, though? | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, why not chrome.. | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:15 |
| slaine | would have expected a webkit based browser | 19:15 |
| lcuk | i thought webkit was qt's baby | 19:15 |
| slaine | time is of essence I guess and moblin's handheld release was always using fennec | 19:15 |
| slaine | iirc | 19:15 |
| lbt | because chrome has a 400Mb src tar.gz .... by definition that sucks | 19:15 |
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| slaine | Ok, so now that we've all had a peek at stuff we where able to run back in February, can we get access to the UX code already ??? | 19:16 |
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| javispedro | the issue here is that "fennec on meego" comes as a surprise | 19:18 |
| javispedro | not that it is fennec. | 19:18 |
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| javispedro | (well, </opinion>9 | 19:19 |
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| javispedro | ) | 19:19 |
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| * slaine waves at Cwiiis | 19:19 | |
| Cwiiis | Yo | 19:19 |
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| th0br0 | Stskeeps: i don't think chromium runs on arm yet | 19:26 |
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| Stskeeps | th0br0: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=602507&postcount=13 | 19:27 |
| th0br0 | huh, i stand corrected then | 19:27 |
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| slaine | I hope it'll be possible to theme the netbook ux a little easier this time around (with CSS I guess) | 19:30 |
| slaine | I prefer the dark look of the Handheld UX | 19:31 |
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| th0br0 | so, how've you been doing, Stskeeps? :) | 19:34 |
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| Stskeeps | i've been doing OK, the country i live in not so much | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:34 |
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| slaine | Stskeeps: I think most of use could say that | 19:37 |
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| khertan | Hi ! | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | lo khertan | 19:52 |
| thiago_home | no meeting tonight, right? | 19:52 |
| lbt | correct | 19:52 |
| javispedro | today's tuesday | 19:53 |
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| slaine | lol | 19:57 |
| slaine | This weeks meeting was canceled though thiago_home | 19:57 |
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| milu | howdy | 19:58 |
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| amjad1 | howdy milu | 20:05 |
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| milu | howdy | 20:08 |
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| milu | gotta go. busy busy ... | 20:10 |
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| thiago_home | slaine: yeah, people in SF | 20:12 |
| thiago_home | I almost had to go there myself | 20:12 |
| th0br0 | thiago_home: why tonite? | 20:13 |
| th0br0 | it's on wednesdays anyway | 20:14 |
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| th0br0 | Stskeeps: haha, true. the past weekend was pretty horrible for poland. | 20:14 |
| slaine | th0br0: what happened ? | 20:15 |
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| th0br0 | slaine: like half of the polish government died in a plane crash? | 20:16 |
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| thiago_home | oh, right, today is tuesday | 20:16 |
| thiago_home | my N900 says the next event is "TSG meeting" | 20:17 |
| thiago_home | but that's tomorrow | 20:17 |
| thiago_home | cool, no meetings tomorrow all day :-) | 20:17 |
| slaine | th0br0: oooh, shit, that's nasty | 20:18 |
| th0br0 | well, yes :) | 20:18 |
| slaine | I should watch the news more | 20:18 |
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| th0br0 | slaine: rather read them; better than watching tv | 20:22 |
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| * Stskeeps is getting a bit tired of TV too | 20:23 | |
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| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZmkuuFKz5s | 20:26 |
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| lcuk | that was moblin last year | 20:26 |
| lcuk | or the preview of it | 20:26 |
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| slaine | lcuk, yes, that was never publicly released | 20:31 |
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| slaine | but my guess is that there's some contractual things happening with oems that where planning on releasing moorestown devices with this ui and moblin 2.2 | 20:32 |
| lcuk | yeah but it was made | 20:32 |
| * CosmoHill pokes slaine and lcuk | 20:32 | |
| slaine | Oh I know | 20:32 |
| slaine | virtual keyboard and all | 20:32 |
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| lcuk | yeah theres hands on demos | 20:32 |
| lcuk | in related videos | 20:32 |
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| slaine | one of the reasons I was so looking forward to 2.2 was the hope that I'd get my hands on it for some of my hardware platforms | 20:33 |
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| slaine | lcuk, that's partly what's so annoying to be honest | 20:35 |
| slaine | I had that netbook ux up and running from moblin's trunk repo back in february | 20:35 |
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| slaine | then meego was announced, some people made "meego" images from the moblin trunk and then it was all shut down | 20:35 |
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| lcuk | so wheres the mirrors? | 20:36 |
| slaine | we're then told that the meego ux code isn't ready yet, it'll be a few weeks still. And today we see that it's the same UI that was there 2 months back (albiet I'm sure with a tonne more polish and bug fixing etc.) | 20:37 |
| slaine | So why was the UI withheld if we already had access to it | 20:37 |
| javispedro | cue conspiracy theories! | 20:37 |
| lcuk | i am sure | 20:37 |
| javispedro | you should expose your case to t.m.o | 20:37 |
| slaine | I will do | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | i'm personally worried about all this secrecy crap | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:37 |
| slaine | it's a pain in the ass | 20:37 |
| slaine | It ruined moblin gaining any sizeable community and I'm worried that meego will turn out to be no different | 20:38 |
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| Stskeeps | on the other hand | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | we're not doing our jobs either - valhalla told us to complain quite loudly to get the teams kicking and screaming into the open :P | 20:38 |
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| toefraz | hey guys. I'm looking for a mirror of the old Moblin repository. I need the image file for the final IVI project release w/ IEGD | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | toefraz: tell me when you find it :/ | 20:39 |
| toefraz | :-\ | 20:39 |
| slaine | I might have the img on my machine at work | 20:39 |
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| slaine | let me check | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | i'd like the repos, personally | 20:39 |
| toefraz | i would too, but I figure there would be a greater chance of someone just having the iso laying around somewhere | 20:40 |
| slaine | crap, my desktop is offline, probably in sleep mode | 20:40 |
| toefraz | i wish the repos weren't removed until meego was ready for a transition | 20:40 |
| slaine | check back tomorrow | 20:40 |
| toefraz | will do. thanks a lot | 20:40 |
| slaine | I've just been belling aching about this too | 20:40 |
| slaine | belly | 20:41 |
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| toefraz | yeah, we are in the middle of putting together a moblin-based infotainment center for our vehicle, and all the repos have been removed. it's really frustrating | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | toefraz: best thing you can really do is to be loud about it on the mailing lists and filing bugs | 20:42 |
| slaine | toefraz: we're treated like dirt unless we're a big company | 20:42 |
| Myrtti | *yawn* | 20:43 |
| * slaine noms dinner | 20:43 | |
| toefraz | this vehicle we're making is part of a rather large national competition, so if we can get moblin working for us and we win, then it would produce a lot of pr | 20:43 |
| toefraz | and we're thinking of switching to meego when it's ready for us, but after all this moblin business, we're not so sure. | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | toefraz: you can use IEGD files to get something up, not as pretty, but if you need something working.. | 20:45 |
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| toefraz | one of my teammates suggested installing ubuntu and installing the moblin framework on top of that. | 20:45 |
| toefraz | i'm not sure if that's possible now though | 20:46 |
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| gaveen | toefraz, Fedora has an option to install Moblin 2.x desktop, if that helps | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | toefraz: IEGD manual has instructions how to install them manually into moblin | 20:48 |
| slaine | toefraz: As does OpenSuse, they've got a Goblin release | 20:49 |
| toefraz | thanks guys. i'll do some research on your suggestions | 20:49 |
| slaine | but those other distros don't support the GMA500 either | 20:50 |
| slaine | toefraz: Also, the Moblin UX doesn't run on the IVI platform | 20:51 |
| slaine | you're supposed to provide your own apparently | 20:51 |
| toefraz | oh i see. i wasn't aware of that | 20:52 |
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| jani | no reference implementations for various ux's in sight ? | 20:53 |
| slaine | the IVI release comes with Xfce desktop | 20:53 |
| slaine | jani, not available to the public yet | 20:53 |
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| toefraz | our system is running a atom x530 processor with the us15 chipset | 20:54 |
| toefraz | z530* | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | jani, mind if i msg you? | 20:54 |
| slaine | nod, the classic OMG hardware | 20:55 |
| jani | stskeeps ofcourse you can. | 20:55 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: stop the secrecy man | 20:55 |
| * slaine sniggers | 20:55 | |
| jani | havent had a time to be online in ages | 20:55 |
| jani | *whispers in the wind* | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | they lock you in chains and release you when you deliver? :P | 20:56 |
| slaine | "It puts the lotion in the basket" | 20:57 |
| jani | kids calling upstairs for bedtime story. will be back shortly. | 20:57 |
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| toefraz | so would it be possible to install ubuntu on my system, install the poulsbo drivers for it, and then install the moblin ux on top of it? | 21:04 |
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| toefraz | or install fedora instead of moblin. i believe they have the poulsbo drivers as well | 21:05 |
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| th0br0 | toefraz: try f13 ... the beta was released today :) | 21:08 |
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| toefraz | th0br0: do you have any idea if f13 has the moblin 2.1 ux? i've tried moblin on fedora before, but it was using the 2.0 ux | 21:10 |
| th0br0 | uh, let me check ... | 21:11 |
| th0br0 | what package should have ver 2.1? | 21:12 |
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| toefraz | i'm not sure... | 21:14 |
| th0br0 | well, mutter-moblin is ver 0.62 in f13; moblin 2.1 (http://repo.moblin.org/moblin/releases/2.1/ia32/os/i586/) has only got ver 0.43.3 | 21:14 |
| th0br0 | moblin-gtk-engine is also newer | 21:15 |
| th0br0 | so yeah, i think it's either 2.1 or some pre-2.2 | 21:15 |
| toefraz | good deal. have you had any experience running f13? is it pretty stable? | 21:16 |
| th0br0 | i've got none at all :P | 21:16 |
| toefraz | haha. ok | 21:16 |
| th0br0 | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Moblin-2.2 | 21:16 |
| th0br0 | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/FedoraMoblin | 21:17 |
| slaine | th0br0: don't think F13 supports the poulsbo drivers though | 21:17 |
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| th0br0 | i think we do | 21:17 |
| th0br0 | lemme check | 21:17 |
| slaine | this is the infamous GMA500 | 21:18 |
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| th0br0 | let me hcek | 21:19 |
| slaine | toefraz: do you have the moblin ivi release with the iegd drviers ? | 21:19 |
| slaine | also, what timezone are you in ? | 21:19 |
| slaine | I'm UTC+1 (it's 19:20 here) | 21:20 |
| th0br0 | mh, no idea tbh | 21:20 |
| slaine | th0br0: ajax would know | 21:20 |
| toefraz | i don't have them. i'm UTC-5 | 21:20 |
| slaine | US East coast ? | 21:20 |
| toefraz | UTC-6* | 21:21 |
| toefraz | central | 21:21 |
| slaine | right | 21:21 |
| th0br0 | slaine: i'm just asking some ppl | 21:21 |
| slaine | th0br0: I'm 99.9999% sure it's not supported | 21:22 |
| th0br0 | ^^ | 21:22 |
| toefraz | i'm pretty sure it's supported in f12 though | 21:22 |
| th0br0 | the main question is the moblin version | 21:22 |
| th0br0 | toefraz: rly? | 21:22 |
| th0br0 | <th0br0> uh, what moblin version is in f13 and does f13 support the gma500 chipset (poulsbo)? | 21:22 |
| th0br0 | <ajax> not with an accelerated driver. | 21:22 |
| toefraz | i think so, or at least it's a hack | 21:22 |
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| toefraz | or maybe i'm think f11 | 21:23 |
| toefraz | thinking* | 21:23 |
| th0br0 | <mjg59> Not even with a native modesetting driver | 21:24 |
| th0br0 | only vesa tho | 21:24 |
| toefraz | hrm | 21:24 |
| slaine | It's supported in F11, that was the last release to support it (as it uses Xorg 1.6) | 21:25 |
| th0br0 | <mjg59> th0br0: The last version of moblin, pretty much | 21:25 |
| th0br0 | <mjg59> Pre-meego | 21:25 |
| slaine | And the driver implementation is tied to Xorg 1.6 at the moment | 21:25 |
| toefraz | right | 21:25 |
| toefraz | and i'm pretty sure f11 used the moblin 2.0 ux though | 21:26 |
| toefraz | i think that's what i used before | 21:26 |
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| slaine | That's why you need Fedora 11, Ubuntu 9.04 (not sure if 9.11 was 1.6 or 1.7) | 21:26 |
| th0br0 | ofc, you could try backporting xorg 1.6 to f13 ;) | 21:26 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: backported 1.6 to meego and had some minor success | 21:26 |
| slaine | But it might be simpler to get the Fedora 12 src.rpms and compile them up on Fedora 11 | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | actually, success was quite good, except Qt/GL is acting up | 21:27 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: last I asked about it Gl acceleration wasn't working at all, iirc | 21:27 |
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| toefraz | slaine: i might try that | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | it is working, except i was not seeing it | 21:27 |
| Myrtti | meh | 21:29 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | lbt: got the jogglers | 22:02 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | lbt: thank you so much | 22:02 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | lbt: they are beautiful devices | 22:02 |
| th0br0 | how many did you order? | 22:03 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | one for myself, one for cBuckle | 22:03 |
| th0br0 | ah, you used lbt as an intermediary? | 22:03 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | yes, he's a good fence *cough* intermediary :) | 22:03 |
| th0br0 | =) | 22:03 |
| slaine | lol | 22:03 |
| * javispedro listens | 22:04 | |
| Stskeeps | TSCHAKeee2: slowly starting to make instructions for meego on joggler at http://jogglerwiki.info/index.php?title=MeeGo | 22:04 |
| th0br0 | how many are they again? | 22:04 |
| th0br0 | s/many/much/ | 22:04 |
| infobot | th0br0 meant: how much are they again? | 22:04 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: will they work now that the repo is gone ? | 22:04 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: what repo is gone? | 22:04 |
| th0br0 | meego | 22:04 |
| slaine | th0br0: £50 iirc | 22:04 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: the Moblin IEGD repo | 22:04 |
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| Stskeeps | slaine: didn't get to IEGD yet in instructions. manual instructions work OK | 22:04 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | Stskeeps: groovy bro :) | 22:05 |
| th0br0 | mh slaine ... :) | 22:05 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | i assume the goal is to be able to do iegd automatically from mic2 ? | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | ideally | 22:05 |
| th0br0 | sounds interesting. maybe in the future | 22:05 |
| lcuk | whats the simplest way to get normal linux on a usb stick - can i just convert a ubuntu install nowadays? | 22:05 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | ubuntu has a stick creator | 22:05 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | Stskeeps: I am going to do a straight orbiter port to it for now (like I did for the SmartQ), but this device will DEFINITELY help in my new orbiter research. | 22:06 |
| lcuk | cool | 22:06 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | and I am going to treat it very much like a clock radio target | 22:06 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | because it looks so nice replacing a clock radio on my night stand | 22:06 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | I wish more stuff was made like this | 22:07 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | openpeak does some awesome industrial design | 22:07 |
| slaine | lcuk, Quiet why distros still use .iso is beyond me | 22:07 |
| slaine | Fedora have had to move up to a liveDVD iso now as it's gone up to 900+Mb | 22:07 |
| lcuk | no slaine | 22:08 |
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| lcuk | SOME distros have moved up | 22:08 |
| lcuk | iso is more universal still | 22:08 |
| slaine | liveDVD is an iso too | 22:08 |
| lcuk | bah - i was meaning vs usb | 22:08 |
| slaine | nod | 22:08 |
| slaine | .usbimg suits me fine :) | 22:09 |
| lcuk | yeah | 22:09 |
| lcuk | i cant put the meego usbimg on my multitouch monitor yet can i | 22:09 |
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| lcuk | T4300 duar core | 22:10 |
| lcuk | dual even | 22:10 |
| CosmoHill | duar core sounds better | 22:12 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | good god | 22:13 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | fingerprint magnet | 22:14 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | ;) | 22:14 |
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| lcuk | TSCHAKeee2, doesnt scare me as much as the unimpressiveness i feel at its multitouch handling | 22:22 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | it is multitouch? | 22:24 |
| ml-mobile | what device is this? | 22:24 |
| lcuk | yes TSCHAKeee2 | 22:24 |
| lcuk | packard bell onetwo | 22:24 |
| lcuk | and its shameful | 22:24 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | ???? | 22:25 |
| lcuk | it works fine for single touch | 22:25 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | ok | 22:25 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.packard.bell.multitouch.boobies.fail.20100402_003.mp4 | 22:25 |
| ml-mobile | oh, packard bell... it lives in Europe | 22:25 |
| lcuk | a video is worth 1000 words | 22:25 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | it acts like a resistive at times | 22:28 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | heh | 22:28 |
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| lcuk | yep TSCHAKeee2 | 22:29 |
| lcuk | its very bizarre | 22:29 |
| javispedro | puaf | 22:29 |
| javispedro | the wepad :) | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | is it hackable? | 22:30 |
| javispedro | it is N900-priced :) | 22:30 |
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| javispedro | ah, android. | 22:31 |
| * javispedro wonders why slashdot talks about oo.o | 22:31 | |
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| lcuk | javispedro, probably because Helmut mentioned an open source office package in one of the articles | 22:34 |
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| th0br0 | vcgomes: uh, it seems to be rather some linux (ubuntu?) that android etc is running on *top* of | 22:35 |
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| th0br0 | eh sorry, i meant javispedro | 22:36 |
| javispedro | yaeh, seems so. | 22:38 |
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| jani | lol @ boobies fail =) | 23:03 |
| CosmoHill | boobies you say | 23:03 |
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| jani | (22:25) < lcuk> http://liqbase.net/liq.packard.bell.multitouch.boobies.fail.20100402_003.mp4 | 23:03 |
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| CosmoHill | rofl | 23:05 |
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