IRC log of #meego for Tuesday, 2010-03-30

lbtRobot101: thoughts on the Repo WG ?00:00
Robot101Stskeeps: the problem is, it cuts both ways. we are incredibly pedantic and thorough at code reviews, and it can be a bit of a shock/surprise to would-be external contributors00:00
StskeepsRobot101: externals (my god, the nokia terminology..) also need to know that there are hard demands if you want to push out an actual consumer product00:00
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Robot101Stskeeps: I've been ext-Robert McQueen for the past 5 years, I'm surprised they let us drink the coffee... :)00:01
Stskeepscrap code doesn't work on either side :)00:01
Robot101(although, when they do, I'm surprised they drink it themselves)00:01
Robot101lbt: not been keeping up, sorry00:01
Stskeepsit is a rather strong coffee. i have to go cold turkey on caffeine after a visit :P00:01
lbtRobot101: not sure if it's an area that you worry about - essentially the meego 'Universe' I think00:02
lbthttp://wiki.meego.com/Proposal_for_a_Repository_working_group00:02
Stskeepsbut anyway, what i hope is that we'll end up with a structure where it's hard to see if you belong to nokia/intel/orange/small subcontractor/or just someone sitting in your basement00:02
Robot101lbt: well, it would be pretty reckless to ignore it - the app development community is one of the big reasons that having your own platform isn't a good idea any more00:03
lbta la kernel00:03
Robot101lbt: so the co-operation with intel & nokia making a platform and therefore attracting 3rd party developers, feeds back in to meego's commercial success, which in turn feeds back into collabora's00:03
lbtRobot101: oh yeah - but one person can only crusade on a finite number of issues... and this may not be one of yours00:03
lbtie trust them to get it right -- I need to get this damned SDK to work!!!00:04
* lbt glances at Stskeeps00:04
lbtstill here mate?00:04
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th0br0what sdk, lbt?00:05
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lbtjust an example00:05
Stskeepsi really just hope we can make sane developer environments for meego00:05
Stskeepsi'd hate to see a regression in that area00:05
lbtwe can... use OBS00:05
Stskeepsi'd love to00:05
lbtwhether we will....00:05
Stskeeps:P00:05
Robot101in terms of a specific crusade, no. I think Nokia have been doing pretty well with Maemo so far, sure there has been some pushing and shoving but on the whole, the "failings" I perceive of the Maemo community have been by technical or commercial decisions that have come from people too far removed from the community / open source process.00:06
Robot101like, announcing you're going to EOL half of your platform APIs on your new platform = not a good way to stimulate 3rd party investment00:06
Robot101the thing is, now Intel just did exactly the same thing to all of their partners too00:07
lbtyeah - that's not a facet I'm familiar with00:07
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Robot101but, I also appreciate these aren't easy decisions, what's right isn't always possible, and the right decision at the wrong time can also be just as harmful00:08
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Robot101I think Nokia is, on the whole, pretty good at being right on these things. I think they could do with enhancing their timing at converging on the right decisions though. :)00:09
lbtthe area I'm currently not so sure about is the engagement with the community00:09
lbtthere are organised groups and interested people "out here" who are not being communicated with00:10
Stskeepsin my rather gothic way of thinking, the skin of some teams are being turned inside out, moving internals to deal with externals directly and the timing for that to happen is day one :P00:10
Stskeepsand it isn't a pretty process to make that happen00:11
Stskeeps:P00:11
lbtOK - but now you have a big problem00:11
lbtinstead of lots of little ones00:11
th0br0what has been missing from day pre-zero is proper information on the internal meego structure at nokia / intel so far00:11
Robot101th0br0: I think that, tbh, that structure is still being built internally too00:11
Stskeepsyou're assuming there was one from day zero00:11
th0br0and just as well the lack of ints getting to the exts00:11
lbtand having a "grand opening"00:11
lbtinstead of each team just starting to use mailing lists00:12
thiago_homeNokia Devices has an R&D division00:12
Stskeepspeople are starting to pop out though00:12
thiago_homeone of the R&D divisions is called "Maemo Devices"00:12
th0br0imho there should have been some structure from day zero...00:12
Stskeepssdk people, etc00:12
lbtand a package or 2 appearing on the repos/gits/OBS00:12
thiago_homethat's the people who do Maemo and will eventually be doing MeeGo00:12
Stskeepsth0br0: considering that many people on inside didn't know about this, it was probably a little too difficult to organise for day zero00:12
lbtthiago_home: yes00:12
thiago_homeanother of the R&D divisions is called Application Services Framework (ASF) that includes Qt00:12
th0br0but anyway, i really g2g now... got some sleep to catch up with and i haven't yet decided whether i'll go visit the musée d'orsay tomorrow or sth else (I'm in paris right now) so yeah, take care and ttyl (wednesday at the latest)00:13
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Robot101ooh, a renaming!00:13
th0br0true Stskeeps00:13
lbtby th0br000:13
Robot101just as well ASF isn't 10 other things otherwise it'd be confusing :D00:13
thiago_homeRobot101: we can wait for the next reorganisation00:13
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Robot101thiago_home: cool. will that one bring more trolltech people onto IRC? :)00:13
thiago_homethat doesn't have to wait for a reorg00:14
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Robot101thiago_home: don't get me wrong, I think you're an absolute hero, I just keep hearing "I know someone at Trolltech, I'll ask them!" "Thiago?" "yeah" "I already asked him" :D00:14
thiago_hometogether, ASF+MD is about 2100 people00:14
lbtand 1 small ADSL line on thiago's desk00:15
Robot101but, being thrown in to Nokia and Maemo and now MeeGo is gonna be a bit of a culture shock for anybody00:15
* thiago_home has a VDSL2 at home00:15
CosmoHillwhat's that?00:15
lbtfast00:15
CosmoHilloh ADSL2?00:15
thiago_homeno00:15
thiago_homeI used to have an ADSL2+00:15
thiago_homeI upgraded to VDSL200:15
* Robot101 just found out the other day that where Collabora's new offices are, they estimate 1Mbps for ADSL :(00:15
Robot101time for a fibre tbh00:15
lbtRobot101: trunking00:16
CosmoHillwe get fibre sometime00:16
CosmoHillonly got ADSL2+ last year00:16
Robot101lbt: yeah, with AAISP we can do that, but the problem is it causes packet reordering00:16
thiago_homeanyway, most of ASF resources are not dedicated to Maemo/MeeGo00:16
Robot101lbt: so there's a limit to how much faster adding more lines makes it go00:16
thiago_homeor, put another way, the resources dedicated to Maemo/MeeGo are a minority00:16
CosmoHilli got told my router doesn't support ADSL2+ by my ISP after 3 months...00:17
thiago_homeASF is supposed to aggregate all of the cross-platform work00:17
w00t_Robot101: I swear thiago is a metaperson actually powered by half of TT00:17
lbtmine's gone up from 1800 to ~3Mb over the last 6 months :)00:17
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CosmoHilldamn you00:18
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* lbt still wants apt-cacher for rpms00:19
* CosmoHill gives lbt a compiler and vim00:20
CosmoHillget working00:20
lbtperl please...00:20
lbthmm does meego have parrot?00:21
CosmoHilluse the compiler to make perl00:21
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CosmoHillam I allowed to look down on people who buy a netbook then wonder why it won't play their latest games or cpu intensive apps00:34
CosmoHillor why you can't install vista over windows CE00:34
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leinirYes, you are :)00:38
CosmoHill"Why can't I play Crysis on my Dell Mini?"00:39
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leinirOr, rather, you should frown greatly at the sales people who did not ask the right questions before selling their customers underpowered devices00:39
CosmoHill"I duno, why can't a tow a large caravan with my nissan micra"00:39
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CosmoHillleinir: the same sales people that tell you you need a quad core and 4GB of RAM to use word and youtube00:49
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tremnite all, sweet dreams01:35
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GAN900CosmoHill, you don't? :)01:36
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CosmoHillno :(01:42
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CosmoHillyay intel drivers01:50
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NichiHello, is this where I can ask a question?02:38
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w00t_Nichi: sure02:41
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NichiOk, where can I find technical details about MeeGo?02:41
w00t_what sort of details are you after02:42
NichiIf I wanted to develope an application, is it a going to support the open standards used on desktops?02:44
w00t_can you be more specific? I mean, I want to help.. but I need to know exactly what you're after02:44
w00t_that's a big topic02:44
NichiWill it have it's own libary or api02:45
NichiI probably aren't making much sense02:45
w00t_MeeGo will use a lot of libraries and APIs used on regular Linux platforms, like Qt and Gtk, probably filtering down to other libraries like gstreamer etc. specific details on *what* will be available aren't yet known02:46
NichiWait, nevermind02:46
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NichiYa, says SDK will use cross-platform APIs02:47
w00t_mhm02:48
NichiMeh02:49
NichiQt mainly I presume02:49
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w00t_Nichi: yes02:56
w00t_Nichi: well, that is the "recommended" path, you of course aren't forced to use it02:56
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NichiOh02:57
NichiI see02:57
Nichithanks02:57
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anotnacyoiu guys seen this MeeGo tablet coming late 2010 http://sify.com/news/a-look-at-openpeak-s-opentablet-7-an-apple-ipad-competitor-imagegallery-offbeat-kd1r76ejhaj.html04:18
Myrttithe screenshot looks 100% credible.... not04:20
anotnacits real04:20
anotnacits no leak04:20
Myrttimeh, need more caffeine04:21
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Myrttis/screenshot/view of the screenview/04:21
anotnachttp://www.mydigitallife.info/2010/02/21/openpeak-opentablet-7-moorestown-based-ip-media-phone-with-meego-os/04:21
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Myrttiwhy can't I find anywhere on openpeaks own website that the os is meego?04:23
Myrttinot even on the pressrelease04:25
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anotnacheres a video preview04:25
anotnachttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8y6WhpdDxw04:25
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Myrttiwhat is this openpeak platform the pressrelease talks about?04:26
Myrttioh, the software on that is done with flash04:27
Myrttidoesn't sound like meego04:27
anotnacits probably moblin cuustomised and branded as meego04:27
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anotnacjust found some more info, its not meego but they claim its meego ready04:35
anotnachmm i'm finding lot of conflicting reports about the OS04:36
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Stskeepsmorning!07:58
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Stskeepsmorning yanli08:29
yanlimorning Stskeeps08:29
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p30nhey all08:52
p30nanyone alive in here atm ?08:52
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Stskeepsyup08:53
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Stskeepsyanli: is there some way in %packages to indicate i want a package from a certain repo, or version?09:33
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yanliStskeeps, sorry, i'm not sure, i don't know too much about ks file09:33
Stskeepsk09:34
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slaineyay, more snow10:42
slaine</sarcasm>10:42
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Surfaif it just were snow..10:44
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slaineSurfa: true10:44
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Tomstangany body here?11:13
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Stskeepsshoot11:14
Stskeeps:P11:14
Tomstango11:14
slaineTomstang: quiet a lot of us11:15
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Tomstangthanks is that meego room?11:16
Stskeepsit is11:16
slaineStskeeps: interesting how quiet it's gotten here over the last few weeks11:17
Tomstangwell can i use it whit my N900 now?11:17
slaineTomstang: it's not released yet11:17
slainecode repositories open tomorrow11:18
Tomstang3/31?11:18
Stskeepsslaine: silence before the storm11:18
slaineStskeeps: very true, will be interesting to see who returns to shout11:18
slaineTomstang: yes11:18
slaineTomstang: I'd imagine you'll start to see alpha images pretty quickly11:19
slainebut initially it won't be a full replacement for your n900's os stack11:19
slaineThe aim is to have MeeGo 1.0 release for May iirc11:19
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slaineAnd if I'm not mistaken for both n900 and netbooks11:19
Tomstangthanks buddy11:19
slainenp11:20
Tomstangwhere i can download code?11:20
slainewe'll know tomorrow11:20
slaineI'd imagine repo.meego.com11:20
Tomstanglast 8 hours11:21
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slaineI'm not sure what time(zone) on the 31st the code is going to open11:21
StskeepsGMT+1411:21
Stskeeps:P11:22
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slainemorning dneary11:22
dnearymorning slaine11:22
Tomstangmight be11:23
Tomstang+8 haha11:23
dnearyTomstang, Is.11:23
dnearyTomorrow everyone has to say happy birthday to me :)11:24
Tomstangis your birthday tomorry?11:25
dnearyTomstang, yup11:25
slaineIt's meego's birthday too11:25
slainehow cool is that11:25
Tomstangcool11:26
Tomstangyou should have a birthday party for both of you O(∩_∩)O11:27
dnearyLet's wait for the announcement first... it might slip into April 1st11:27
dneary& then no-one would believe it11:27
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Tomstangyeap11:29
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Tomstang+14 UK ?11:29
Tomstang+14 UK ?11:30
lbtKiritibati11:30
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slainelbt, lol, that reminds me of the old Wing Commander games11:30
Tomstangoh11:30
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Tomstangsee u later i got go11:35
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aldentomorrow is meego's birthday?11:47
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dnearyslaine, In the projects you've worked on, has anyone ever come up with a decent way for documentation maintainers to receive docs patches?11:50
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slainedneary, What's documentation ?11:51
thiagoalden: yeah, we'll do a c-section :-P11:51
dnearyslaine, I mean, every project I've been involved with has required a toolchain for building docs (gtkdoc, docbook lite, latex, doxygen, javadoc, whatever) and expected people who wanted to submit, say, a patch for a paragraph which needed re-writing as a diff -u against the svn/git/cvs repository11:52
slainenod11:52
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slaineI've not seen it done any other way unfortunately11:53
slainedocumentation is code11:53
dnearyslaine, Everything from API documentation to user docs for an application or graphical environment, including developer guides and tutorials11:53
dnearyDocs is cods11:53
dnearydocs is code, yes11:53
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mrecHi, where can someone report a kernel bug?11:53
slaineso there's a metadocument that a toolchain parses to create documents11:53
dnearyBut unlike code, you can submit intelligible patches to the "compiled" docs11:54
* lbt really liked the djangodocs annotation approach.11:54
dnearySay your docs are HTML, you can convert that to plain text11:54
lbtThe thing about it is that you could extend that using a decent web app11:54
lbtso the annotated para has a guid11:54
dnearyAnd submit a "patch" to the plain text in a plain text email11:55
dnearyThen someone else would have to take that suggestion & integrate it into the docbook source11:55
lbtand the tools could at least point the delta to the code11:55
slainewhat format is the patch ?11:55
dnearyslaine, Like this:11:55
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dneary"The paragraph starting "If you want to have the search terms highlighted..." might read better if it said "When using contextual searching, every occurrence of the search term in the document can be highlighted by choosing the "Highlight all" option in the contextual search bar"11:58
dnearySend.11:58
dnearyOr proposed in bugzilla11:58
dnearyWhatever11:58
dnearyThe point is, we can use English & searching instead of patch11:58
slaineAt a basic level, the problem is that with generated documentation, patching the output is useless unless the changes are incorporated at the inputs. So "someone" has to reverse engineer the patch to patch the input. Dev's don't like doing that  so more often than not the changes are lost. The only way I've seen this handled properly is via a wiki or other CMS system.11:59
lbtslaine: so you need something that ties a para in the html doc to the source11:59
lbtthen when you click 'submit patch'12:00
slainewhich is what a wiki/CMS will provide12:00
dnearyslaine, Yeah, that's what I said: "Then someone else would have to take that suggestion & integrate it into the docbook source"12:00
RST38hWhat generated documentation?12:00
slainebut that's not going to help someone updating a para for the MX gtkdoc for example12:00
lbtit gras the source string, opens up a little window with before/after and sends a patch12:00
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RST38hSomebody wants to curse us with generated documentation again?12:00
dnearyslaine, The problem with a wiki is that (to my knowledge) there's no gitty way to do it where patches get submitted & a maintainer reviews them & accepts or rejects them12:01
slainenod12:01
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slaineSo basically, you're talking about a web tool that'll let people highlight some text, type in alt text and submit a git diff to a maintainer12:01
lbtyes12:02
dnearyRST38h, Worse than that - "official" MeeGo docs are being written using RoboHelp, and then published as HTML & XML for importing into transifex12:02
dnearyslaine, That would rock my world12:02
dnearyIt wouldn't actually be that hard, I think...12:02
RST38hdneary: Am I the only one seeing another clusterfuck coming?12:02
slaineIf the web tool knew about the source that generated the output that should be doable. I don't know of any such tool though12:02
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slaineWould certainly rock though, and be valuable for other upstream projects12:03
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slaineBut, to be clear, the bulk of docs related to MeeGo will be upstream docs12:03
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dnearyYou'd need a docbook to html front-end, plus an edit/preview/submit form which generated a patch, and a review queue which would have to be public, with a read-only interface, and an accept/reject/review interface for the maintainer12:03
dnearyThe question is whether to allow the maintainer to modify & accept patches12:04
dnearyslaine, The bulk of developer docs, yes12:04
dnearyslaine, That is, API guides & even developer guides for stuff like DBus12:04
slaineyeah, but user guides for the UI etc. would be MeeGo specific, so it'd be handy there alright12:05
dnearyslaine, But there is a world of docs for MeeGo only - style guides, embedded development guides (anything related to the SDK), tutorials, documentation for MeeGo applications, etc12:05
slainenod12:05
dnearyRST38h, We're discussing the toolchain (and, more importantly, the requirements) on meego-communiurrent thinking was yesterday, let's give the situation some time to evolvety (or is it meego-dev?) - Margie just indicated what c12:06
dneary"urrent thinking was yesterday, let's give the situation some time to evolve" should have been at the end, not in the middle12:07
dnearyRuddy sensitive touchpad too close to the keyboard.12:07
slainelol12:11
slainetook a few attempts to parsify that12:12
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amanda9http://www.mdhjakten.se/dela/?id=dti2d6s12:41
amanda9meeegooo12:41
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* slaine lols at latest clutter list email12:43
Stskeepsamanda9: wtf? :P12:44
slaine" I want to write this program (yeah, right). Can you tell me if someone has already done the same and if so where is the code. If not, I'll follow up asking how to do it."12:44
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Tm_TStskeeps: spam12:46
Tm_TStskeeps: been circulating various channels now day or two12:46
Stskeepsoh dear, that university just went on my blacklist12:47
Stskeepshttp://www.mdhjakten.se/ :P12:48
Tm_TStskeeps: you might like to remove it from channel too12:49
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poutsisorry about the OT but does anybody know where desktop widget settings are stored in fremantle? need to manually remove a widget that's causing hildon-home to thrash13:40
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lbtthiago: strikes me that the Qt API docs are an area people may want to annotate/patch/comment - do you have a process for that (yet)?14:23
w00t_for patching, I'd guess it would be modifying the doc on the source and submitting a MR on gitorious14:26
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koupsahi there14:28
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Stskeepsmeego-dev really attracts some crazies14:35
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w00t_Stskeeps: :-)14:37
w00t_(I assume you mean me)14:37
thiagolbt: we're very proud of our docs :-)14:38
Stskeepsno, read latest post14:38
Stskeeps[MeeGo-dev] Say Goodbye to GTK, Will Meego open to what extent? More than Android or Less than?14:38
w00t_Stskeeps: oh lord14:38
w00t_the subject already causes me to headdesk14:38
lbtthiago: I know - I usually use them as the gold standard :)14:39
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lbtOTOH the majority come from the C++ src .... so may not be as relevant to the docs toolchain debate14:40
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thiagoyes14:42
thiagoeverything is tied in to the Qt source code14:42
lbtEven tutorials?14:43
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th0br0Stskeeps: it's a justified question though.15:01
Stskeepswell, he completely ignores what nokia is doing with qt..15:01
Stskeeps:P15:01
chakie_workhttp://meego.org/ looks broken15:01
w00t_I suppose, yes, if you're incapable of doing research and thinking about what you find15:01
Stskeepschakie_work: not owned by the project15:01
w00t_chakie_work: .com, .org is not related to meego.15:01
chakie_workw00t_: ok, so where to look then15:02
chakie_workhm, the topic here says "MeeGo - http://meego.com"15:02
w00t_as I, and the topic indicate, meego.com15:02
w00t_not meego.org.15:02
chakie_workbut that's not related?15:02
th0br0Stskeeps: yeah... still... GTK is easier to use than Qt IMHO, you don't require the super-fat qt designer for it :D15:02
w00t_.com and .org are two totally different TLDs..15:02
th0br0besides, android isn't open source at all.15:03
th0br0sure, they released most of the code.15:03
chakie_workw00t_: oh, ok, didn't know that15:03
th0br0but there isn't much (read nothing) you can really do with it15:03
w00t_th0br0: you don't need to use Qt Designer to use Qt, if you don't want15:03
th0br0w00t_: true, but if you want to design UIs using Qt there isn't much other (good) choice)15:04
w00t_th0br0: I'd assume because those that use designer that have a problem with it contribute to it - or alternatively, don't use a graphical designer tool15:05
w00t_(there's plenty of both)15:05
th0br0true. i tend to use it from time to time too anyway...15:06
th0br0it's just that the glade designer is far more lightweight than the qt one15:06
chakie_workdesigner isn't a fat application15:06
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th0br0imho it is... it takes about 45s to actually start up but i'm running gnome right now15:08
th0br0but that might be caused by all the kde stuff15:08
th0br0nvm actually, it isn't of much importance15:08
w00t_th0br0: something is probably wrong with your setup15:08
w00t_I can launch creator and finish opening a ~50 file project in well under 10 seconds15:09
chakie_worki guess glade would be just as heavy on a kde desktop15:09
w00t_(I'm also using gnome at present)15:09
koivulasoftware's loading time is by far the most important feat to judge it.15:09
chakie_workheh15:09
th0br0well, yeah... i just confused designer-qt4 and qtcreator ... but nvm15:09
w00t_th0br0: designer and creator are related in that they reuse code (I believe), if anything, creator is a superset of designer15:10
koivulai restart software all the time just for fun.15:10
th0br0mh k.15:10
w00t_koivula: well, no, there is a point to that15:10
w00t_45 seconds *is* a long time, regardless of how infrequently you do it15:10
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th0br0anyway, i'm back to readin gsome more wot now. (wheel of time)15:10
w00t_(until I did that test now, I'd had my creator instance open a week :P)15:11
slaineit takes a few minutes to open Qt Creator on my ubuntu netbook install15:11
koivulaI for example thought15:11
thiagolbt: yes, all tutorials are Qt source code15:11
w00t_slaine: netbook is a bit of a different kettle of fish15:11
koivulajave would be good. but virtual machine is really slow to start.15:12
thiago$QTDIR/examples/tutorial15:12
koivulajave/java15:12
w00t_slaine: would be interesting to see where the bottlenecks are there, IO would be something I'd be curious about15:12
slainew00t_: in fairness, there's something wrong when my whole OS and User Environment takes 16 seconds where as 1 app takes minutes15:13
lbt*nod* OK - like I say, good docs and it would be nice to consider them as a base process15:13
slaineI think it's an issue with the Ubunutu build15:13
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slainesomeone here said they had the same problem15:13
w00t_slaine: ah, that also might be related perhaps.. mine is self-built15:13
w00t_slaine: still.. minutes compared with the desktop env starting in seconds is something very, very wrong somewhere :P15:14
andreslaine: it takes 2.3s here to start and open a test project. warm cache, though.15:14
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slaineandre, are you on 10.04 ?15:15
andreslaine: try  qtcreator -profile  with a recent build15:15
andreslaine: no, 9.1015:15
thiagoit takes 15s for me with a cold cache, but less than 3 with a warm cache15:15
thiagoand this is a debug mode Qt and a debug mode Creator15:15
w00t_andre: that is quite useful15:15
slaineI've applied a bunch of updates since the last time I tried, I'll give it another shot15:15
andreslaine: also note that you could switch off plugins you don't need nowadays15:16
w00t_thiago: so presumably a largeish part of that is in IO.. debug mode gives huge binaries, no?15:16
thiagoyes, but the ELF loader doesn't need to load it all15:16
thiagohowever, in debug mode, all of the Tulip functions are non-inline15:17
thiagoand not optimised15:17
w00t_ow.15:17
w00t_and considering how often they're used.. right15:17
thiagoin any case, I keep my Creator open for days at a time15:17
thiagoI restart it only when I've built a new version15:17
slaineok, they've obviously fixed it15:18
slaine6.7s there15:18
w00t_thiago: right, more or less the same15:18
w00t_slaine: much more sane :P15:18
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slainethats good, I can actually use it now :)15:18
thiagoit takes far longer to rescan QtCore, QtGui, QtNetwork and QtDBus, plus half a dozen unit tests15:18
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slainethough, I'll probably be nuking the install tomorrow :)15:18
w00t_hah15:19
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w00t_Stskeeps: oh dear15:24
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_abhishekHi I want to setup the meego development environment I went through http://meego.com/developers/getting-started its says I require meego toolchain from where do I get this ??17:54
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Stskeeps_abhishek: i'd wait for day one :)17:55
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_abhishekStskeeps: you mean its not yet out ??17:57
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Stskeepscorrect17:57
Stskeepscome tomorrow things should start picking up17:58
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_abhishekStskeeps: cool thanks a lot :)17:59
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slaineAnyone know if the intel 'Pine Trail' Atom processors are supported by Fedora12 ?18:11
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microlith...18:26
microlithmoblin can't connect to cifs shares18:26
microlithnice18:26
dnearymicrolith, Why is that nice?18:28
microlithsarcasm doesn't convey well across IRC18:29
slainewhy would moblin connect to cifs shares18:33
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DeuXany news on download date yet ?18:44
Guest74361DeuX: No18:45
Stskeepsend of month is tomorrow, so sometime between 00:00 and 23:59 GMT+1418:45
Stskeeps:P18:45
Stskeepsok, maybe earlier18:46
Stskeeps:P18:46
w00t_not if Stskeeps has his way!18:47
w00t_:P18:47
Stskeepsthe LHC didn't help the deadline18:47
Stskeeps:P18:47
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w00t_ah, I see, the plan was for the world to end before the code release18:48
w00t_:P18:48
Stskeepsindeed18:49
slainecould still have a black hole right now, but time is so stretched we'd never know18:49
Stskeepstalk about day zero and day one taking forever..18:50
Stskeeps:P18:50
slainehehe18:50
slaineIt feels like we're in a black hole, how's that ;)18:50
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DawnFosterlet's talk about how we can create that black hole :)18:56
DawnFosterkidding. we're making progress. I know it feels like a black hole already.18:59
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DawnFosterI'm really looking forward to having stuff out in the open.19:00
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slaineSo are we19:02
slaine:)19:02
slaineDawnFoster: Is there an approximate time when the repos will be opened ?19:03
DawnFosterthe exact time hasn't been announced19:03
Stskeepsah, true, there's a TSG meeting tomorrow too19:04
DawnFosterI can tell you that we're not planning to wait until midnight, but no promises :)19:04
DawnFosterwe will have some kind of update in the TSG (still trying to wrestle the agenda out).19:05
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DawnFosterI can tell you that the TSG meeting will be at 20:00 UTC19:05
lbtlive DNS push?19:05
DawnFosterhttp://wiki.meego.com/TSG_meetings19:05
StskeepsDawnFoster: being a bit nitpicky, there's nothing on the agenda and it's frozen 48 hours before ;)19:06
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DawnFosteryeah, that 48 hours was a little aggessive :)19:06
DawnFosterMy plan is to get it out 24 hours in advance19:06
DawnFosterthings are a bit chaotic right now19:07
Stskeepsyou can always blame it on the timeshift caused by the LHC that everyone else didn't notice ;)19:07
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DawnFosteryes! that was it. no chaos here. blame it on the LHC19:07
slaineOh dear, I don't envy you guys. tomorrow will be a rough/exciting day19:08
w00t_daylight savings!19:08
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Stskeepsslaine: i fully expect it to be total chaos to the extent a lot of volunteers sign up for helping out cos they identify a lot of problems :P19:09
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slainerofl19:10
slaine"This is broken, I'll fix it. me me me me"19:11
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Stskeepsdon't underestimate the value of intentionally creating itches19:12
Stskeeps:P19:12
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Arnie-75Hello. Does anyone know when MeeGo (or Mobline 2.2) will be released? Will there be some preview-images like Moblin had? When will they be released?19:20
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Stskeepsday one should be end of this month19:21
Arnie-75day one = release of final?19:22
DawnFosterIn the last TSG meeting, this is what was communicated: MeeGo 1.0 in May. MeeGo 1.1 in October. 6 month cadence from there on.19:22
StskeepsArnie-75: more like the project starts in the open, i think19:22
DawnFosterday one is when we start opening up the code repositories for developers to use for development.19:23
Arnie-75ok19:23
DawnFosterday one is not a release and is not final19:23
DawnFosterHere are some more details in the minutes to the last TSG meeting: http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2010/meego-meeting.2010-03-24-19.58.html19:23
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Arnie-75thanks, I'll reead it19:23
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DawnFosterwe have another TSG meeting tomorrow at 20:00 UTC where the TSG will provide some additional updates19:24
DawnFosterhttp://wiki.meego.com/TSG_meetings19:24
dnearyHi DawnFoster19:27
DawnFosterhi dneary19:27
dnearyDawnFoster, Let me know if I'm stepping on any toes (or if you vehemently disagree with any of the drums I've been banging) - I'm keen to help, and looking for opportunities19:28
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dnearyI'm interested to see how your metrics dashboard comes along19:28
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DawnFosterI'm trying to get an answer to your documentation licensing question now.19:29
dnearyI saw you were involved in Ignite Portland also - very cool.19:29
DawnFosterOnce we get the code out, we should get a better feel for how to get people more involved.19:29
dnearyDawnFoster, Thanks! Those kinds of things are easier to do at the start than they are to fix afterwards19:29
DawnFosteryeah, I've been involved in organizing all of the Ignite Portland events (we've done 8 of them)!19:30
DawnFosterIt's one of my favorite events.19:30
dnearyI just organised the first Ignite Lyon for GIW19:30
dnearyGood fun19:30
DawnFosterCool - how did it go?19:30
DawnFosterit's such a fast-paced fun event19:30
dnearyI still have video to edit & publish19:31
dnearyWe had 13 speakers, on subjects from free software & free culture to running & innovations in forage for dairy cows19:31
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dnearyA fun night :)19:32
DawnFosternice! the diversity is one of the things I love about Ignite.19:32
DawnFosterwe are lucky to have a streaming video guy who handles the video for us.19:33
DawnFosterit can take forever to edit / publish video19:33
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dnearyYeah, me too19:34
dnearyThe cow feed was my favourite talk of the night19:34
dnearyFollowed by "How to bankrupt your first company as quickly as possible"19:35
dneary(all in French I'm afraid, so unless you're a French speaker you won't be able to appreciate them)19:35
dnearyAnyway - I'm off for the night19:35
DawnFosterwe had one on how to kill and eat a roadkill deer once - not my *favorite* talk, but one of the more interesting.19:35
szbalintheheh19:35
DawnFosterlater19:35
dnearyBye19:35
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DawnFostermmeeks - did you need something from him? Not sure if he's around or not.19:48
mmeeksDawnFoster: yep - a build-service configuration question19:48
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* Shapeshifter notices that maemo gitorious is now meego gitorious.20:13
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Stskeepshttp://maemo.gitorious.org/ is still there20:16
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lcukand http://git.maemo.org is too20:21
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Shapeshifteryeah I was kinda confused. because tracker is in meego design, while libqttracker still has maemo design on gitorious.21:10
ShapeshifterDoes someone know what meego will mainly be using for file associations? Just /usr/share/applications/defaults.list? No xdg-mime? or gconf?21:10
thiago_homexdg-mime21:10
Shapeshifterthiago_home: thanks :)21:11
thiago_homebut the user-preferences are not specified21:11
thiago_homeKDE and GNOME don't share that part21:11
thiago_homeactually, I'm guessing here, but I don't see why not, since that's the freedesktop.org standard21:13
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aldenmeego source released yet?21:48
thiago_homeyou're one day early21:49
aldeni thought day1 was 31st ?21:49
thiago_homeso you expect code on day 0?21:50
aldenbut we are having the meego meeting tonight right?21:50
thiago_homeno, tomorrow21:50
DawnFosterhere are the details on the TSG meeting: http://wiki.meego.com/TSG_meetings (date / time / etc.)21:51
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DawnFosterwe'll have the agenda up soon.21:51
* thiago_home ponders if it's the 31st already for alden21:51
thiago_homethat would explain a lot21:51
aldenit is21:52
thiago_homesorry, we're still in "yesterday" :-)21:53
thiago_homethe TSG meeting is still 25 hours away21:53
thiago_homeso adjust your expectations21:53
aldenheh sure21:53
aldenmy bad21:53
DawnFosterdarn time zones :)21:53
thiago_homehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatch_Internet_Time21:54
DawnFosteryeah, sounds much less confusing :)21:55
thiago_homethe TSG meeting will be on March 31st, @87521:55
thiago_homeor another very useful format is Julian Day 2455288.37521:58
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GAN900UTC is pretty unambiguous. ;)22:05
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cyberkonsultsooooo .... where will the gst-plugins-ugly be at?22:06
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* lbt prods auke23:02
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