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| CosmoHill | anyone here good with audio equipment? | 01:29 |
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| Zorry | nope | 01:30 |
| lbt | how good? | 01:30 |
| CosmoHill | well I need a cable for a subwoofer | 01:31 |
| fishie | is the ui going to be changed at all for the next release? i heard its coming out the end of this month, we are running out of days | 01:31 |
| CosmoHill | but I want a good cable cos a bad one will just make a constant rumble | 01:31 |
| lbt | in what setting? | 01:31 |
| lbt | house/car? | 01:31 |
| CosmoHill | fishie: I think meego is using the moblin UI for 1.0 but will have a new UI for 1.1 | 01:32 |
| CosmoHill | oh sorry, house, my bedroom | 01:32 |
| lbt | what amp? | 01:32 |
| CosmoHill | Cambridge Audio 340R | 01:32 |
| lbt | anything over £1/m is wasted money :) | 01:33 |
| lbt | QED79 or equivalent is fine | 01:33 |
| lbt | obviously crappy bellwire isn't a good idea | 01:33 |
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| lbt | CosmoHill: http://cpc.farnell.com/multicomp/2x177-clr/twin-2a-figure-8-100m-clr/dp/CB00401 | 01:36 |
| CosmoHill | the sub is active and takes a RCA lead | 01:36 |
| lbt | In that case you need an RCA cable :) | 01:37 |
| lbt | Like I have for my Rel Stratus | 01:37 |
| CosmoHill | http://www.richersounds.com/product/av-interconnects/cambridge-audio/sub-link-7.5m/camb-sublink-7.5m | 01:38 |
| lbt | http://cpc.farnell.com/_/pga4109/phono-subwoofer-lead-10m/dp/AV04605?Ntt=10msubwoofer | 01:39 |
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| lbt | CosmoHill: http://cpc.farnell.com/_/680059/lead-phono-plug-plug-75r-10m/dp/AV04344 | 01:46 |
| CosmoHill | ooo | 01:46 |
| lbt | cpc/farnell are excellent | 01:47 |
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| CosmoHill | hmm, £60 subwoofer lead o.o | 01:48 |
| CosmoHill | there's a £90 one too | 01:49 |
| CosmoHill | that's worrying as the sub is £100 :o | 01:49 |
| CosmoHill | http://www.superfi.co.uk/index.cfm/page/moreinfo.cfm/Product_ID/4671 ? | 01:52 |
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| CosmoHill | lbt: how fast are cpc postage? | 02:12 |
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| CosmoHill | night night | 03:41 |
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| privatehuff | is the moblin project dead ? (in leiu of meego) | 06:03 |
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| GAN900 | privatehuff, not dead | 06:46 |
| GAN900 | more renamed | 06:46 |
| GAN900 | Since MeeGo is way more Moblin than it is Maemo. | 06:46 |
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| paranoid_pedlar | is there a possibility of meego becoming a distro for desktops or laptops? | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | well, netbooks are a target | 09:27 |
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| tigert | morning | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | morning | 10:08 |
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| lbt900 | morning | 10:16 |
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| lbt900 | rwg thoughts anyone | 10:16 |
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| polac | lbt900, planning on presenting rwg to tsg this wednesday? | 10:25 |
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| lbt | polac: that's the idea :) | 10:57 |
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| polac | lbt, Good! waiting is killing me. At least something is happening. :) | 11:04 |
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| lbt | I've been prodding people to provide feedback - qgil had some arguments that the RWG is a part of the CWG. I disagree and I'd like to make sure we address his points | 11:09 |
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| thiago | please be clear if you're talking about the DEB repository only, or the RPM one, or both | 11:14 |
| thiago | and whether you mean the core MeeGo or just the open source "Extras" | 11:14 |
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| ian__ | hi | 11:14 |
| lbt | thiago: is that at me? | 11:17 |
| thiago | yes | 11:17 |
| lbt | did you read the ml posts? | 11:17 |
| lbt | and the wiki page? | 11:17 |
| thiago | ML yes, wiki no | 11:17 |
| lbt | http://wiki.meego.com/Proposal_for_a_Repository_working_group | 11:17 |
| lbt | 100% rpm... nothing to do with Deb | 11:17 |
| RST38h | a separate deb repo has been jeremiah's proposal | 11:18 |
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| lbt | indeed - and there would be assistance and support as there would be to any community members/projects | 11:19 |
| lbt | but I expect they would track the RWG and it's unlikely indeed to mention debs anywhere | 11:19 |
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| lbt | thiago: ping me with questions/comments - this has to be finalised today for a wed meeting | 11:24 |
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| Tm_T | qgil is not online, hmph | 12:15 |
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| thiago | work day | 12:19 |
| * Tm_T huggles thiago instead | 12:21 | |
| slaine | This is the week | 12:21 |
| thiago | yes, it's the Easter week | 12:21 |
| slaine | Hope everyones excited | 12:22 |
| slaine | Yeah, nail'em up friday and Zombie sunday | 12:22 |
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| Tm_T | slaine: for incoming april 1st ? | 12:22 |
| slaine | Day 1 is March 31st | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | day one being april first would be comical ;) | 12:22 |
| slaine | hehe | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | "yes, we decided to go with android" | 12:23 |
| Tm_T | Stskeeps: no need to curse |; | 12:23 |
| Tm_T | that a-word always reminds me of one dead phone... | 12:24 |
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| MrFrancis | hello | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | hello | 12:30 |
| timeless | hello from stockholm (kista) | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | how's the weather? | 12:31 |
| timeless | it was very foggy on Saturday, it's sunny now, and there are nice windows in the office here :) | 12:31 |
| timeless | oh, and instead of having a really stupid floorplan, they have a sensible one | 12:31 |
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| Stskeeps | it is possible to actually navigate sanely there? | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:32 |
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| timeless | two desks side by side, with two desks facing them... repeated in rows and columns | 12:32 |
| timeless | in this office? yeah, in the city? kinda | 12:32 |
| timeless | arg. i can't find any qt people :( | 12:33 |
| thiago | yeah, we hide | 12:33 |
| timeless | ok, tag, you're it. | 12:33 |
| timeless | i see code that looks like this: | 12:33 |
| timeless | QApplication::postEvent(this, new QKeyEvent(QEvent::KeyPress, Qt::Key_Enter, 0)); | 12:33 |
| * thiago points out the existence of #qt and #qt-labs | 12:33 | |
| timeless | Coverity complains about the fact that the QKeyEvent created there doesn't get deleted anywhere | 12:34 |
| timeless | already asked in #qt | 12:34 |
| thiago | the event loop deletes it | 12:34 |
| timeless | ok | 12:34 |
| timeless | so, probably coverity found the idiotic STUB implementations which do not | 12:34 |
| * timeless grumbles | 12:35 | |
| Summeli | timeless: that code works on s60 phones at least | 12:35 |
| thiago | no, it's probably that coverity can't follow the event queue | 12:35 |
| thiago | deletion happens in QCoreApplicationPrivate::sendPostedEvents(QObject*, int, QThread*) | 12:35 |
| Summeli | I should put my Qt code to github too, I also had some issues with postevent's, but I can't remember the case | 12:36 |
| thiago | qcoreapplication.cpp:1361 or thereabouts | 12:36 |
| timeless | thiago: coverity is supposed to be able to recognize whether a variable escapes | 12:36 |
| * thiago recommends gitorious for various reasons | 12:36 | |
| timeless | yeah | 12:36 |
| thiago | foremost among them that it's hosted in Oslo, so it's very fast for me :-) | 12:37 |
| timeless | this is a case where coverity found a bogus stub impl | 12:37 |
| timeless | is dui open enough that it can be found in gitorious? | 12:37 |
| thiago | dui is on gitorious | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it's on qt.gitorious.org | 12:37 |
| thiago | right next to its "competitor" | 12:37 |
| timeless | nothing competes with dead code | 12:38 |
| timeless | why bother? | 12:38 |
| thiago | just more dead code | 12:38 |
| timeless | stskeeps: so how do i find a file in it? | 12:38 |
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| thiago | as in "I don't know where this file is, search it for me" or "let me browse the tree" ? | 12:39 |
| timeless | i don't want to have to figure out which stupid repository is hiding this stupid file | 12:39 |
| timeless | and if you don't think it's stupid, well, see pastebin :) | 12:39 |
| timeless | as i said, coverity is good at finding crappy stubs | 12:40 |
| timeless | :) | 12:40 |
| timeless | we have this idiotic approach to unit testing | 12:40 |
| thiago | ouch | 12:40 |
| timeless | where people are encouraged to write crappy stubs for everything | 12:40 |
| timeless | which makes coverity incredibly noisy | 12:40 |
| timeless | because why shouldn't it follow a path from real code into a stub? | 12:40 |
| timeless | seems perfectly reasonable to me :/ | 12:41 |
| thiago | the link you're looking for is: http://qt.gitorious.org/maemo-6-ui-framework/libdui/blobs/master/tests/ut_duipannablewidget/ut_duipannablewidget.cpp#line178 | 12:41 |
| timeless | (i.e. coverity's logic is logical, the management approach is insane) | 12:41 |
| timeless | thanks :) | 12:41 |
| timeless | now everyone can poke their eyes out :) | 12:42 |
| thiago | those function-hijacking... they are bound to break | 12:42 |
| thiago | Qt is often compiled with -Bsymbolic-functions | 12:42 |
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| thiago | timeless: I lost my appetite... | 12:43 |
| timeless | i think i tried to warn you | 12:43 |
| thiago | or is it daylight savings.... | 12:43 |
| timeless | well, since i flew from HEL to ARN on Friday and the time zones moved around on Sun | 12:44 |
| timeless | i'm not sure i really noticed :) | 12:44 |
| w00t_ | timeless: I can probably accept .mht, sorry, I had to run off the other day | 12:45 |
| timeless | sorry, i'm ok | 12:48 |
| timeless | well, if i ignore a headache | 12:48 |
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| timeless | someone a few rows away is playing some piano/classical? music | 12:48 |
| * timeless doesn't think the headache is related | 12:48 | |
| Stskeeps | probably flu | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:49 |
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| timeless | stskeeps: yeah, quite likely, i'm still taking medicine for it :( | 12:51 |
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| timeless | thiago: how familiar are you w/ gcc's optimization support? | 13:03 |
| timeless | (actually, this question is really for anyone) | 13:03 |
| timeless | http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/gfx/thebes/src/gfxPangoFonts.cpp?mark=2563-2564,2568,2570,2572-2597#2563 | 13:03 |
| thiago | then make the question :-) | 13:03 |
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| timeless | will the compiler recognize that the last green block is unreachable if MOZ_GFX_OPTIMIZE_MOBILE is defined | 13:03 |
| thiago | no | 13:04 |
| timeless | (and by recognizing it, manage to drop that blob) | 13:04 |
| thiago | hinting isn't always true | 13:04 |
| thiago | it's only true if that function returns FcResultMatch | 13:04 |
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| th00ry | lbt: i know i'm lagging behind, just writing everything :D will have it done by this evening. | 13:08 |
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| pinchartl | hi | 13:13 |
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| timeless | thiago: i'm interested in the case where MOZ_GFX_OPTIMIZE_MOBILE is defined | 13:40 |
| timeless | if it's defined, then the block you're reading won't be compiled | 13:41 |
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| * thiago misread it then | 13:45 | |
| thiago | right, then the compiler optimises out dead code | 13:46 |
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| jeremiah_ | lbt: ping | 18:32 |
| jeremiah_ | lbt: I would like to set up my own OBS - do you have any docs? | 18:32 |
| jeremiah_ | The site is kinda lacking :/ | 18:32 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah_: No kidding ;) | 18:32 |
| RST38h | moo jeremiah | 18:32 |
| jeremiah_ | :) | 18:33 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah_: installed openSUSE 11.2 already? | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | if not, that's a start :P | 18:34 |
| X-Fade | Seems quite hard to do without it. | 18:34 |
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| jeremiah_ | X-Fade: Ick. I hope I don't have to | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | you do | 18:35 |
| jeremiah_ | So much for no vendor lock-in | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, technically it can run without, but the guides are for opensuse | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | well | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | considering that you can build debian -and- rpm systems on there, it is a bit opposite vendor lock in | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | they probably just need people packaging it up for debian | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:35 |
| leinir | jeremiah_: if you want, please do try it without - and while you're at it, i'd suggest you write a non-distribution-specific guide so others can follow your example ;) | 18:35 |
| jeremiah_ | Only the lock in is with the build system itself :P | 18:36 |
| jeremiah_ | leinir: Sure. I'm stupid enough to try. :) | 18:36 |
| jeremiah_ | Can someone point me to relevant docs? | 18:36 |
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| jeremiah_ | Hard to negotiate the site. | 18:36 |
| leinir | Hey, this is open source - you got an itch? Scratch it! ;) | 18:36 |
| jeremiah_ | I'm itchy all over. | 18:36 |
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| jeremiah_ | Feel like I fell in poison ivy | 18:37 |
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| jeremiah_ | Guess it is time to drop into #opensuse-buildservice | 18:38 |
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| jeremiah_ | Hmm, Gitorious looks down. | 18:51 |
| jeremiah_ | That's interesting. | 18:51 |
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| lbt | jeremiah_: ping me in an hour... I have cut'n'paste for you | 19:18 |
| lbt | do minimal server only 11.2 install on a VM | 19:18 |
| lbt | or google "OBS appliance" | 19:18 |
| lbt | l8r | 19:18 |
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| th0br0 | lbt_: ping | 20:11 |
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| th0br0 | lbt_: i'm just wondering if there is much that we need anyway after (i guess you?) updated the wiki page so niceley... | 20:13 |
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| th0br0 | well yeah, i just read your mail now. good work lbt_ and sorry for not being around to help... | 20:48 |
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| svscvsc | Hi, I have a query regarding maemo, moblin / meego - do you have root access to the device as standard? | 21:00 |
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| thiago | svscvsc: you have root access to Maemo devices | 21:02 |
| thiago | there are currently no MeeGo devices. When they ship, we'll see. | 21:02 |
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| trumee | guys, will meego access camera via gstreamer like maemo? | 21:02 |
| svscvsc | I see. To me that makes maemo the platform that can win between iPhone / Android | 21:02 |
| rsalveti | trumee: probabbly, generally they request to have the v4l2 implemented by the hardware vendor | 21:03 |
| rsalveti | then they can use gstreamer normally to access the camera, take pictures and so on | 21:03 |
| thiago | svscvsc: root access is *usually* not part of the win criteria | 21:03 |
| rsalveti | maemo 5 is using the camerabin, so I think that they will work on a similar solution at the future | 21:03 |
| trumee | rsalveti: great. so what is the role of qt-mobility project? | 21:03 |
| svscvsc | thiago, but it connotes a lot of flexibility that will allow the platform to thrive and adapt and basically meet more peoples needs more of the time | 21:04 |
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| rsalveti | trumee: thiago can say more about it, but I believe that it's just an abstraction layer on top of different components | 21:04 |
| thiago | svscvsc: sorry, but no | 21:04 |
| svscvsc | The open philosophy, it's my phone. If I want an encrypted contact book, I could get it on maemo, but not on android / iPhone as you cannot tinker with the contact list apps | 21:04 |
| thiago | svscvsc: the goal of the project is to have flexibility and be very, very open | 21:04 |
| thiago | svscvsc: unlike those other two platforms | 21:04 |
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| thiago | svscvsc: but that doesn't mean all devices need to have root access | 21:04 |
| svscvsc | thiago, that is what I just said... | 21:05 |
| trumee | thiago: what will change once qt-mobility is ready for maemo5/6 | 21:05 |
| rsalveti | trumee: so in the end I would say that qt-mobility will use gstreamer to access the camera device | 21:05 |
| svscvsc | svscvsc, I mean, having root access, as a philosophy, being able to change the contact list app for instance, that is what I mean | 21:05 |
| rsalveti | but, they could use the v4l2 directly, so I not 100% sure about it | 21:05 |
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| trumee | thiago: will qt-mobility support N900? | 21:06 |
| thiago | trumee: nothing will change | 21:06 |
| svscvsc | Is anyone here working for Nokia? | 21:06 |
| thiago | qt-mobility will probably support Harmattan first | 21:06 |
| rsalveti | a lot of people :-) | 21:06 |
| thiago | Fremantle soon thereafter | 21:06 |
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| rsalveti | thiago: but how about the camera devices? | 21:06 |
| w00t_ | svscvsc: fairly good guess that there are, yes ;) | 21:06 |
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| thiago | rsalveti: I have no idea about them | 21:06 |
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| thiago | the Camera API is being implemented as part of the Multimedia module | 21:07 |
| rsalveti | I think they will keep using gstreamer, but I not that sure about it | 21:07 |
| thiago | that doesn't mean it will stay there. That doesn't mean it needs to be gstreamer either. | 21:07 |
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| rsalveti | they could use v4l2 with OMX directly, but I guess that this is a lot of work | 21:07 |
| w00t_ | making assumptions about the underlying technology is bad anyway | 21:07 |
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| rsalveti | yeah, but needs to be flexible in a way the hardware vendors can implement different multimedia support easily | 21:08 |
| svscvsc | I have one final, kinda big question (since I am still grokking the sites) - the development kit - is it all native, or is there a Java layer on top of this, exposing things like accellerometer / camera / other features (and you can develop in this, or natice) | 21:08 |
| trumee | thiago: is there any way to access the camera for a qt app in N900 presently? | 21:08 |
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| svscvsc | s/natice/native | 21:08 |
| thiago | trumee: the Camera API is not ready | 21:08 |
| thiago | trumee: you can access via non-Qt API | 21:08 |
| RST38h | no java afaik | 21:08 |
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| Stskeeps | evening DawnFoster | 21:08 |
| trumee | thiago: ah! ok | 21:08 |
| rsalveti | yeah, at the moment you can use the gstreamer or v4l2 directly | 21:08 |
| rsalveti | need to go, meeting :-( | 21:09 |
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| trumee | thiago: is there any example of a qt app accessing camera via a non-qt api? | 21:10 |
| thiago | trumee: I have no clue | 21:10 |
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| thiago | probably not | 21:10 |
| svscvsc | I am confused, isn't qt just a windowing toolkit? | 21:10 |
| svscvsc | buttons, scrollers, components, events et al? | 21:11 |
| lpotter | nope. its more than that | 21:11 |
| w00t_ | svscvsc: no, it's an application development framework | 21:11 |
| svscvsc | ah. I see | 21:11 |
| thiago | the UI part of Qt is, pardon the pun, the most visible part | 21:11 |
| w00t_ | http://qt.nokia.com/doc/4.7-snapshot/index.html <- wander around that | 21:11 |
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| trumee | so a qt app cannot use a camera at all then. too bad. | 21:11 |
| thiago | but there's a lot more | 21:11 |
| thiago | trumee: 20:08 < thiago> trumee: you can access via non-Qt API | 21:12 |
| svscvsc | trumee, but can't a qt app just make the call to get the data, and paint it onto a panel? | 21:12 |
| thiago | trumee: from "you can access" you concluded that "you cannot access", how? | 21:12 |
| svscvsc | or am I being naive here | 21:12 |
| trumee | thiago: well couldnt find example of any code | 21:12 |
| w00t_ | trumee: just because it has not been done does not mean it isn't possible | 21:13 |
| w00t_ | it simply means that nobody has done it | 21:13 |
| thiago | trumee: ok, so from "no one has done it before" you concluded "it cannot be done" ? | 21:13 |
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| trumee | thiago: yes :) | 21:13 |
| thiago | that's a bit defeatist | 21:13 |
| thiago | you don't get anything without some effort. So put some brainpower into it. | 21:14 |
| svscvsc | thiago, where is the source code for the non-qt stuff? | 21:14 |
| svscvsc | i.e. where would the 'native' (or non-qt... what do we call 'non-qt'?) code for camera access be? | 21:15 |
| trumee | is it possible to write code for the camera using the SDK but which uses the desktop webcam. The intention is not to use the N900 for development. | 21:15 |
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| thiago | svscvsc: s/native/platform-specific/ | 21:15 |
| svscvsc | ah. ah. ouch | 21:15 |
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| svscvsc | How much platform specific work do android phones go through? I think they are all pretty standardized right? | 21:15 |
| jeremiah_ | lbt: You rock my world. | 21:16 |
| jeremiah_ | But it's been two hours and you're not here | 21:16 |
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| thiago | svscvsc: they are entirely platform-specific | 21:16 |
| thiago | svscvsc: as in "Android-specific" | 21:17 |
| thiago | Android has very, very little that is cross-platform, even to other Linux-based devices | 21:17 |
| svscvsc | I thought you mean 'platform specific' meaning hardware-specific | 21:17 |
| thiago | no, I meant software platform | 21:17 |
| w00t_ | thiago is (afaik) mostly a software guy - so he's biased :P | 21:17 |
| svscvsc | Right. OK. So, where is the 'platform' code for meego / maemo - or whichever the person is asking about the camera for :-) | 21:17 |
| thiago | Android vs standard Linux vs other platforms (Solaris, Windows, Mac, Symbian, whatever) | 21:17 |
| svscvsc | Android == kernel + VM + APIs, quite a nice layer IMHO | 21:18 |
| w00t_ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Multimedia_Components/Camera_API_Usage <- I presume this is related, as far as Maemo is concerned | 21:19 |
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| svscvsc | So, which is the base /linux/ being used for meego? Or is it just a kernel version plus a few low level libs / daemons ? | 21:19 |
| w00t_ | MeeGo will probably prefer QtMobility, or alternatively, whatever specific interfaces vendors have | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | svscvsc: meego itself | 21:19 |
| w00t_ | svscvsc: MeeGo is the base | 21:20 |
| svscvsc | ... so what is meego? is it a linux kernel + userspace derrivative of linux? | 21:20 |
| auke | meego is a full linux stack | 21:20 |
| svscvsc | ah ok, so you are saying it is its own distro, I get it | 21:20 |
| * w00t_ would say: a Linux distribution for mobile devices | 21:21 | |
| auke | yeah | 21:21 |
| auke | several (confusing) ways of describing what it is :) | 21:21 |
| svscvsc | ok. Nice. So, where are the sources for meego (or whichever flavor has video access) | 21:21 |
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| w00t_ | they aren't yet available, first code release is this week | 21:21 |
| trumee | w00t_: can that camera C api be called from within qt? | 21:21 |
| svscvsc | And, those video drivers need to be added for each available hardware camera? | 21:21 |
| w00t_ | trumee: given that Qt is a C++ library, and C++ is a subset of C, yes | 21:22 |
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| svscvsc | so when XYZ company makes a 1 petapixel mobile phone camera, they'll add a driver for it that gets loaded into meego, and exposed through a standard mechnism? | 21:22 |
| auke | svscvsc: what camera drivers are you interested in? | 21:22 |
| svscvsc | auke, none in specifics, just getting an idea how far alone the concept of having augmented reality apps in a meego store is :-) | 21:22 |
| auke | if said camera driver gets merged into the linux kernel, it's all that is really needed | 21:22 |
| svscvsc | s/alone/along | 21:22 |
| svscvsc | right, gotcha | 21:23 |
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| w00t_ | auke++ | 21:23 |
| w00t_ | also, s/sub/super/ | 21:23 |
| w00t_ | bah. | 21:23 |
| trumee | unfortunately, i have used qt only. it will be helpfull if somebody can point to using gstreamer code like above in a qt app. | 21:24 |
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| svscvsc | Thanks for the code release info w00t_ . I guess the code will support any camera drivers that exist, and the code forms the platform APIs that are exposed to meego developers? | 21:25 |
| svscvsc | trumee, not knowing the code or specifics, it looks like you want to retreive frame data, and display it onto a paintable area (creating your own video display) this of course has no acceleration. | 21:25 |
| auke | hardware drivers ideally will all be merged in the linux kernel, and meego will build on the standard kernel API's | 21:25 |
| w00t_ | it may be a bit early to be expecting camera stuff to be mature right now be.. what auke said | 21:25 |
| auke | so, V4L, etc | 21:25 |
| auke | "ideally" :) | 21:26 |
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| w00t_ | auke: you type too quickly | 21:26 |
| w00t_ | :) | 21:26 |
| svscvsc | I see. So you could also just code directly into V4L? | 21:26 |
| svscvsc | (on a side note, is anyone here based on Berlin right now?) | 21:26 |
| svscvsc | s/on/in - hey, my MacBook was pre-13"Pro and doesn't have backlit keyboard, and my office is dark! :-) | 21:27 |
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| w00t_ | trumee: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1873113/how-to-implement-a-video-widget-in-qt-that-builds-upon-gstreamer may be relevant, I really don't know :) | 21:28 |
| auke | you can probably use gstreamer to grab video frames, though V4L, yes | 21:29 |
| auke | that would be a nicely layered design | 21:29 |
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| trumee | w00t_: thanks | 21:29 |
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| svscvsc | auke, I've developed some security systems that process video frames, graph changes, store millions of HD frames a day across servers, it worked well, was written in Java, exposed all the camera information through http to reduce any native code issues and platform issues across the other clients | 21:30 |
| auke | sure, sounds like it was an interesting project :) | 21:31 |
| svscvsc | I watched the TED talk which showed the photosynth / GPS / streetview matching 'demo', a live mobile video broadcast that gets remapped to the static image | 21:32 |
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| svscvsc | It was something I've been wanting to do for a while, using either google data sets, or some others (there are other companies doing street mapping data). Imagine a video call that zooms in on the globe to the person you are talking to, and allows them to use a shared local context when talking to you | 21:33 |
| svscvsc | Like, pointing the phone, giving you directions to where they exactly are. Seems a natural API for sharing how to get here info. | 21:33 |
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| * lbt looks around at the hive of activity leading up to day 1.... | 23:25 | |
| lbt | WAKE UP EVERYONE!!! | 23:26 |
| CosmoHill | gah | 23:26 |
| * CosmoHill falls out of bed | 23:26 | |
| lbt | or we could talk about hifi | 23:26 |
| CosmoHill | :) | 23:26 |
| lbt | does meego use pulseaudio... | 23:26 |
| lbt | can we install jack ? | 23:27 |
| lbt | touch screen mixing desks! | 23:27 |
| CosmoHill | oo, i have a little idea of what you're talking about | 23:27 |
| lbt | google is your friend | 23:27 |
| lbt | http://www.mixxx.org/ | 23:27 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: a cluster of jogglers for mixing | 23:28 |
| lbt | I was just eyeing mine | 23:28 |
| Stskeeps | the capacitive screen might come in handy | 23:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:28 |
| lbt | actually that interface is almost touchable as-os | 23:29 |
| lbt | is | 23:29 |
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| mikhas | interesting | 23:31 |
| CosmoHill | lbt: we've not got a cable yet | 23:32 |
| CosmoHill | so we're gonna have to go out tomorrow and get one :) | 23:32 |
| lbt | shoulda ordered one - cpc ship fast | 23:33 |
| lbt | and miles better than Richer Sounds | 23:33 |
| CosmoHill | postage is 1/2 the price of the cable | 23:35 |
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| lbt | oh | 23:35 |
| lbt | nm | 23:35 |
| CosmoHill | £10 cable, £5 postage | 23:35 |
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| th0br0 | lbt: good night :P | 23:40 |
| lbt | night th0br0 - seen the updates to the page | 23:40 |
| th0br0 | lbt: sure. | 23:40 |
| lbt | and I put it on the proposals | 23:40 |
| th0br0 | yep. | 23:40 |
| lbt | we're getting a little argument in the ml | 23:40 |
| th0br0 | yeah, i read that... | 23:41 |
| th0br0 | although i don't really see qgil's point | 23:41 |
| lbt | no, me neither... by that arg "there can be only one" | 23:41 |
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| * lbt wasn't sure if qgil has the throat to pull that off ;) | 23:41 | |
| th0br0 | ;) | 23:41 |
| lbt | was going to prod DawnFoster again... | 23:42 |
| DawnFoster | hi lbt :) | 23:42 |
| lbt | hey there :) | 23:42 |
| th0br0 | :D | 23:43 |
| lbt | CRWG proposal and debates on the ml... | 23:43 |
| lbt | Tero said my email was long and confusing :( | 23:44 |
| lbt | he's finnish though :) | 23:44 |
| Stskeeps | verbosity is a curse sometimes | 23:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:44 |
| th0br0 | I found it explanative. | 23:45 |
| DawnFoster | I'm still trying to figure out the WGs in general. | 23:45 |
| lbt | the finns never use 3 words when 17 is a bare minimum for comprehension! | 23:45 |
| DawnFoster | my preference is to push as much of the work into the main projects the way we did with localization | 23:45 |
| lbt | I think the argument here depends on whether meego has a 'supported' core | 23:46 |
| DawnFoster | until we get a little more clarity on the overall meego project structure, I'm not sure how the individual WGs fit in | 23:46 |
| CosmoHill | hey people | 23:46 |
| DawnFoster | define 'supported core'? | 23:46 |
| th0br0 | but why is qgil always ripping those threads apart... thunderbird mostly makes his messages new posts... | 23:47 |
| lbt | and I think it has to have that - ie packages where Meego takes responsibility for the maintainer | 23:47 |
| lbt | and finds a new one if the maintainer goes MIA | 23:47 |
| lbt | and defining 'supported' is indeed important | 23:47 |
| lbt | I assume that some packages *won't* be in Meego | 23:48 |
| lbt | these are "unsupported" :) | 23:48 |
| * Stskeeps liked his own 'company' analogy | 23:48 | |
| th0br0 | defining 'supported' is more or less up to the TSG imho. there's only so much that the community can do on its own "behind the scenes"... | 23:48 |
| lbt | yep... but whatever they decide | 23:48 |
| lbt | we're on the other side of the line (at least with RWG hats on) | 23:49 |
| DawnFoster | That's exactly why I want to see the project stucture before we make too many assumptions about what is / is not supported | 23:49 |
| lbt | we've seen it though | 23:49 |
| lbt | it's moblin | 23:49 |
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| CosmoHill | dammit, i search for "RCA cable" and got four vacuum cleaners! | 23:49 |
| lbt | or so close as makes no difference | 23:50 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: like what? :P | 23:50 |
| th0br0 | true more or less | 23:50 |
| lbt | give or take 50% | 23:50 |
| DawnFoster | I'm going to try to get all of this into the TSG agenda for Wednesday | 23:50 |
| lbt | so long as they read the wiki and probably that thread | 23:50 |
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| Stskeeps | i just hope with day one that things start running more smoothly :P | 23:51 |
| lbt | DawnFoster: if you don't mind my asking, what's your background? do you have a profile anywhere? | 23:51 |
| th0br0 | wasn't day one supposed to be today or sth like that? | 23:51 |
| DawnFoster | lbt - put a link to the thread in the wiki, and I'll do what I can to make sure they read the wiki proposals :) | 23:51 |
| lbt | crack the whip on them! | 23:51 |
| DawnFoster | lbt sure: http://fastwonderblog.com/about/ | 23:51 |
| Stskeeps | th0br0: hopefully not | 23:51 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:51 |
| * Stskeeps is relaxing way too much then | 23:51 | |
| th0br0 | Stskeeps: no idea, i can't remember really | 23:52 |
| DawnFoster | i've done everything from unix sys admin to marketing, but lately focused on community management | 23:52 |
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| lbt | it just helps to know what area you understand - I can't tell if you have that glazed look I so often see ;) | 23:52 |
| Stskeeps | th0br0: a good guess would be 31st | 23:52 |
| th0br0 | yep | 23:52 |
| lbt | th0br0: a better guess would be 23:59 on 31st at GMT+13 | 23:53 |
| th0br0 | ;) | 23:53 |
| Stskeeps | ah, a longer deadline | 23:53 |
| th0br0 | or | 23:53 |
| Stskeeps | i'm in | 23:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:53 |
| th0br0 | 00:00 on 1st at GMT+13 | 23:53 |
| th0br0 | ;) | 23:53 |
| th0br0 | But then, given that it'll be april fool's day... | 23:53 |
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| lbt | th0br0: I use tbird - but you're right the thread is pooched | 23:56 |
| th0br0 | ^^ | 23:56 |
| th0br0 | i use tbird too | 23:56 |
| th0br0 | that is, if tbird == the bird with the thunder. | 23:57 |
| Stskeeps | it'll be interesting to see if the merit thing will work for employees too, as in, to gain access/commits you'll need to have merit as well | 23:57 |
| th0br0 | it's a shame that it makes such blunders. | 23:57 |
| th0br0 | ;) | 23:57 |
| th0br0 | Stskeeps: likely not... | 23:57 |
| Stskeeps | there will probably be some funny situations :P | 23:57 |
| th0br0 | and it's most often the actualy employees's packages that are in a horrible condition ;) | 23:57 |
| Stskeeps | i see it as a bit of a problem if people can 'jump the line' because of the people in charge of a WG/team is in same company, but that's just me :) | 23:59 |
| Robot101 | Stskeeps: we're always careful in Collabora to hold each other to the same standards we do outsiders | 23:59 |
| * Stskeeps nods | 23:59 | |
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