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| csgeek | woot.. there is an irc channel. I <3 freenode | 00:47 |
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| Cosmo[PB] | hey csgeek | 00:58 |
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| csgeek | hey all.. how's it going everyone? | 01:26 |
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| Cosmo[PB] | good | 01:27 |
| Cosmo[PB] | family is awesome | 01:28 |
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| * GeneralAntilles finds it funny to see such hardline sourcism on the lists for a project which is going to bask in proprietary differentiation, signed firmwares, and simlocks. | 01:42 | |
| csgeek | I really wanna see meego... I getting anxious | 01:43 |
| lbt | 14 days | 01:43 |
| csgeek | I NEED a new toy .. | 01:43 |
| csgeek | yeah... then I need to figure out how to install it on my N1 and save myself another half grand | 01:44 |
| lbt | GeneralAntilles: such cynicism | 01:44 |
| lbt | csgeek: you're UK? | 01:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, it tends to grow over time. ;) | 01:44 |
| lbt | heh | 01:44 |
| csgeek | US | 01:44 |
| lbt | ah, nm :) | 01:44 |
| csgeek | why do you ask? | 01:44 |
| lbt | was going to suggest a Joggler | 01:45 |
| Cosmo[PB] | lbt: what did you wanna know? | 01:45 |
| lbt | as a cheap new Meego toy | 01:45 |
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| lcuk | lbt, joggler fails on 1 specific area | 01:45 |
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| lbt | it's shiny though | 01:45 |
| lcuk | its very shiny | 01:45 |
| lbt | very very shiny | 01:45 |
| lcuk | i cant have it on my knee without either power source or usb sticking out | 01:45 |
| lbt | yeah | 01:46 |
| lcuk | the core idea is perfect and i give it 100/100 | 01:46 |
| lcuk | the implementation is just a bit scewed | 01:46 |
| * lbt had an interview offer from O2 for today... | 01:46 | |
| lbt | didn't go... but wonders... | 01:46 |
| lcuk | yeah you said | 01:47 |
| Cosmo[PB] | ? | 01:47 |
| lbt | kinda mentally didn't link it to the joggler though | 01:47 |
| Cosmo[PB] | lbt: you're english? | 01:47 |
| lcuk | :) | 01:47 |
| lbt | was thinking telco architecture roles :) | 01:47 |
| lbt | Cosmo[PB]: yes | 01:47 |
| Cosmo[PB] | yay | 01:47 |
| lcuk | you have spoken about jogglr for a while, ive got one in my house because of you :) | 01:48 |
| lcuk | having mer/meego on it will be good | 01:48 |
| csgeek | oh god.. their slogan is "The new fridge door" | 01:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's fun picking out what people actually mean by "MeeGo" | 01:48 |
| lcuk | need to find a way to sort out the power/usb tho | 01:48 |
| Cosmo[PB] | £1.20 per litre :o | 01:48 |
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| * lcuk has other ideas for joggler | 01:49 | |
| lbt | Cosmo[PB]: bastards | 01:49 |
| Cosmo[PB] | I was surprised last time I topped up my car, 44L for £1.08 each | 01:49 |
| lbt | +3p in the budget next week too iirc | 01:50 |
| * lbt is glad he works from home! | 01:50 | |
| Cosmo[PB] | i mean it's meant to his £1.20 in the next 2 weeks | 01:50 |
| lbt | OK 'night all | 01:50 |
| Cosmo[PB] | cyas | 01:51 |
| Cosmo[PB] | oo on mo | 01:51 |
| Cosmo[PB] | what part of england? | 01:51 |
| lbt | reading | 01:51 |
| Cosmo[PB] | yay | 01:51 |
| Cosmo[PB] | 1 - 0 to QPR today :) | 01:51 |
| lbt | who? | 01:51 |
| Cosmo[PB] | reading fc | 01:51 |
| lbt | who | 01:51 |
| Cosmo[PB] | football | 01:51 |
| lbt | oh, football | 01:51 |
| lbt | I've heard of that | 01:51 |
| * lbt prefers dancing | 01:52 | |
| lcuk | lbt "soccer" :p | 01:52 |
| lcuk | (that riles tracy | 01:52 |
| lbt | right... the cat is complaining... gotta go | 01:53 |
| Cosmo[PB] | meow! | 01:53 |
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| csgeek | no... football is the correct term | 02:02 |
| csgeek | you kick the ball with your foot.. how much more appropriate can the term be? | 02:02 |
| Cosmo[PB] | the americans have football, they have use their hands too | 02:06 |
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| Cosmo[PB] | 22.6 Mbits/sec | 02:16 |
| Cosmo[PB] | :) | 02:16 |
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| markey | morning | 09:01 |
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| vap0r | Robert Pattinson dies at the end of Remember Me? In the TWIN TOWERS? | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | this isn't #litterature | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:05 |
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| Stskeeps | morning | 09:47 |
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| * X-Fade is still annoyed that he can't mail to any meego list | 12:22 | |
| burchr | X-Fade: why can't you? | 12:24 |
| X-Fade | burchr: Mailserver is blocking my mail because there is no reverse dns for my host or something like that. | 12:24 |
| burchr | that's odd | 12:25 |
| X-Fade | 4.7.1 Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname | 12:25 |
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| X-Fade | So the server is a bit too strict. As it really is the only list server I have issues with. | 12:25 |
| burchr | tried talking to .. is it mshaver? | 12:26 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, reported it a month ago or so. | 12:26 |
| X-Fade | Pretty funny as I manage all the maemo.org equivalents ;) | 12:26 |
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| burchr | my guess is it slipped someone's mind, waiting that long | 12:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I keep hearing people use MeeGo's supposed "open source purity" as a reason not to use anything closed-source on the infra. | 12:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | I dunno what fantasy land they're living in, but MeeGo sure aint 100% open. | 12:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | and it's branding is already more confusing than Maemo/maemo.org's. | 12:33 |
| X-Fade | Let's see if we can get the TSG meeting out in the open first. | 12:33 |
| X-Fade | And I hope the them, they will get us soon(ish) :) | 12:36 |
| X-Fade | s/get/change to/ | 12:36 |
| infobot | X-Fade meant: And I hope the them, they will change to us soon(ish) :) | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | i'll personally be a bit pissy if an mentioned meeting will be private | 12:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Will hardly be surprising, though. ;) | 12:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'd've been nice to get some of the community folks involved in that little Intel/Nokia MeeGo powwow they had. | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | well, it's a meritocracy and well, commuity doesn't always have merits in some areas :P | 12:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, duh. | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | (fwiw, it will be interesting to see how this works out) | 12:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, however we do have at least have a paid staff that probably qualifies. | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 12:40 |
| lbt | doesn't the TSG have just 2 people in it atm | 12:42 |
| X-Fade | No other big projects have bootstrapped in public like this, so it will be interesting anyway :) | 12:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | A little abused cynical part of me says this is Nokia's grand opportunity to distance themselves that weird open source thing and those pesky communities that keep popping up around it. | 12:42 |
| * lbt still thinks his idea of adding a certain someone to the TSG makes sense | 12:42 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | maemo.org does a decent job of straddling the two worlds | 12:42 |
| lbt | X-Fade: you think? | 12:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll be interesting to see whether vendor stuff actually ends up at meego.com | 12:42 |
| lcuk | regarding machinery for meego: is this viable to use as install for meego: http://liqbase.net/liq.concepting.cambridge.jlp.20091215_014.jpg | 12:43 |
| lcuk | and can i keep it with windows and just put qt ontop with meego apps? | 12:43 |
| lcuk | /or | 12:43 |
| w00t | GeneralAntilles: you're being far too sensible, fyi | 12:43 |
| * lcuk will purchase one at weekend if its a viable machine | 12:44 | |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, surely you're not buying brick'n'mortar? | 12:44 |
| lcuk | of course | 12:44 |
| lcuk | i have no qualms with that | 12:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | w00t, fyog? :P | 12:44 |
| w00t | hehe | 12:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, sounds expensive | 12:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | In the US you're talking at least a 10% price difference for most things. | 12:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | More, depending on your state and its sales tax laws. | 12:45 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, theres something about buying something and having great service when you do :) | 12:46 |
| * lcuk likes shopping in john lewis | 12:47 | |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, yeah, which is why I buy online. :P | 12:47 |
| lcuk | thats cos you are a basement dweller :p | 12:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | What's a "basement"? | 12:48 |
| frals | s/basement/dungeon/ ;D | 12:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | (There are no basements in Florida) | 12:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unless you're talking about a below-ground indoor swimming pool. | 12:49 |
| lcuk | heh | 12:49 |
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| MiXu- | :D | 13:01 |
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| * GeneralAntilles wonders why qgil is the one announcing the TSG meeting. | 13:49 | |
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| Anssi__ | i am wondering that is meego going to be the new symbian | 13:52 |
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| VDVsx | Anssi__, no, afaik, Symbian is a completely different thing, and has future plans (at least atm) | 13:53 |
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| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, probably he will become part of the TSG, the other guys are too busy, ... :D | 13:56 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders what tsg | 13:57 | |
| timeless_mbp | ... is | 13:57 |
| burchr | technical steering group | 13:59 |
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| Anssi__ | hopefully meego is going to be open enough to be extended. | 14:00 |
| timeless_mbp | Anssi__: anything can be extended | 14:02 |
| VDVsx | I heard that meego will be 100% OS (the problem is that there are a not of definitions for meego) | 14:02 |
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| VDVsx | so the name confusion | 14:02 |
| Anssi__ | timeless_mbp, sure it is possible, but is it allowed. | 14:03 |
| Anssi__ | i would consider these two things as different cases. | 14:03 |
| timeless_mbp | Anssi__: by end users on their own devices? | 14:03 |
| timeless_mbp | typically yes, unless there's a local law that contravenes :) | 14:03 |
| timeless_mbp | (you're asking the wrong question) | 14:04 |
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| VDVsx | meego + Nokia UI = meego | 14:04 |
| Anssi__ | would stg allow apple specific extensions or amd specific super optimizations | 14:04 |
| VDVsx | meego + xpto UI = meego | 14:04 |
| VDVsx | thats diff from the user POV | 14:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | what's stg? | 14:08 |
| Anssi__ | tsg i meant. | 14:08 |
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| Anssi__ | or some other authoritative organ :) | 14:09 |
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| VDVsx | timeless_mbp, basically TSG is a guy from Nokia and one from Intel | 14:10 |
| timeless_mbp | it's a good thing we aren't driving very fast :) | 14:10 |
| VDVsx | lol | 14:11 |
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| Anssi__ | timeless_mbp, you are driving? :) | 14:14 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't have a license ;) | 14:14 |
| * timeless_mbp sticks to back seat driving | 14:15 | |
| timeless_mbp | it's much more fun this way | 14:15 |
| Anssi__ | sure, i just don't have capital for hired driver ^o^ | 14:15 |
| VDVsx | timeless_mbp, you need a license plus the extra skills to drive in the frozen streets of HEL :D :D | 14:16 |
| timeless_mbp | VDVsx: i have enough trouble just *walking* them | 14:17 |
| * timeless_mbp points to bruises | 14:17 | |
| VDVsx | hehe | 14:17 |
| X-Fade | Lol, me too ;) | 14:17 |
| X-Fade | Wiped out quite badly.. | 14:17 |
| timeless_mbp | i lost 1 / 6 of my bottles walking ~5 blocks | 14:17 |
| VDVsx | eheh | 14:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 14:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ice | 14:18 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps saw me fly. | 14:18 |
| * GeneralAntilles would fall and crack his skull open. | 14:18 | |
| timeless_mbp | the ice was purple after i fell... | 14:18 |
| * GeneralAntilles has only seen snow twice | 14:18 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | and, really, only 1 of those actually counts. | 14:18 |
| X-Fade | Well, plenty of snow in HEL this year. | 14:19 |
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| * VDVsx survived without falling back in Feb :) | 14:20 | |
| inz | I almost slipped once this winter | 14:21 |
| X-Fade | inz: Almost doesn't count :) | 14:22 |
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| inz | X-Fade, it does for a Finn. | 14:23 |
| VDVsx | lol | 14:23 |
| X-Fade | hehe | 14:23 |
| ShadowJK | when walking on ice you must be able to stop your walking in any phase of the step, that way you aren't counting on your inertia and the friction between shoe and surface for maintaining balance | 14:25 |
| * ShadowJK makes walking sound like science | 14:25 | |
| Anssi__ | + good shoes | 14:25 |
| X-Fade | good shoes++ | 14:26 |
| X-Fade | That was where I messed up ;) | 14:26 |
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| inz | ShadowJK, no, when walkin on ice, you need to slide! | 14:26 |
| ShadowJK | it was -20C this morning when I went to work, the risk of shoes getting stuck to ice was greater than slipping ;D | 14:28 |
| inz | Why were your shoes wet? | 14:28 |
| X-Fade | inz: huge pressure melts ice ;) | 14:29 |
| ShadowJK | because the snow from the dayefor had melted so they stood in a puddle of water :p | 14:29 |
| ShadowJK | and im too lazy to put them somewhere sensible when I get in.. | 14:29 |
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| Anssi__ | yeps, but gladly spring is not faraway. | 14:47 |
| Anssi__ | i get my motorcycle on the road :P | 14:47 |
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| X-Fade | Reached above 15C today for us. Getting there ;) | 14:49 |
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| thresh | :( | 14:49 |
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| koivula | Spring is dangerous. Felipe Massa got hit by a spring and nearly died. | 14:49 |
| Anssi__ | heh | 14:50 |
| Anssi__ | i remember that, it was nasty accident. | 14:51 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm, i was wondering what a water well could do to nearly kill someone | 14:51 |
| timeless_mbp | i mean, sure water can come out @high pressure, but... | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | you can drown in it | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:52 |
| X-Fade | Saw a nice fountain in the streets of HEL btw ;) | 14:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | where? do you mean the one by the inner harbor? | 14:52 |
| X-Fade | The one at a corner of Hietalahdenkatu, last week. | 14:53 |
| X-Fade | Took pictures with my N900 of course. | 14:53 |
| Anssi__ | ofc | 14:53 |
| Anssi__ | i dont' have one. :( | 14:54 |
| * timeless_mbp ponders | 14:54 | |
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| Votan | I hope u geeks all use a green wallpaper today! | 14:55 |
| Anssi__ | no, i use recycled newspaper ;) | 14:56 |
| Anssi__ | it is more like gray | 14:56 |
| Votan | then u better paint it green :P | 14:56 |
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| X-Fade | Fountain: http://share.ovi.com/media/xfade.Random/xfade.10006 | 15:00 |
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| Anssi__ | X-Fade, so weren't kidding. | 15:01 |
| Anssi__ | hopefully underground train still works. | 15:01 |
| X-Fade | No, that was quite a lot of water ;) | 15:02 |
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| timeless_mbp | X-Fade: oh | 15:04 |
| timeless_mbp | i was going to say, there isn't supposed to be a fountain there | 15:04 |
| X-Fade | Talk about ice btw ;) | 15:05 |
| X-Fade | It was below 0 degrees C already. | 15:05 |
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| koupsa | hi, a short question: | 15:16 |
| koupsa | #: ../src/mnp-alarm-dialog.c:175 | 15:16 |
| koupsa | msgid "Alarm settings" | 15:16 |
| koupsa | msgstr "Paramètres d'alarme | 15:16 |
| koupsa | or #: ../src/mnp-alarm-dialog.c:175 | 15:17 |
| koupsa | msgid "Alarm settings" | 15:17 |
| koupsa | msgstr "Param\303\250tres d'alarme | 15:17 |
| * timeless_mbp ponders | 15:17 | |
| timeless_mbp | koupsa: whose repository is that? | 15:17 |
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| timeless_mbp | it's neither moblin2.1, nor the git repo i have, nor fremantle sdk | 15:17 |
| timeless_mbp | offhand, it looks like moblin style, because it isn't maemo style | 15:18 |
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| koupsa | moblin 2.x i suppose i will be the next meego ? | 15:18 |
| TalkingPoints | why? | 15:19 |
| X-Fade | koupsa: Bit of this, bit of that. Stir for a while.. | 15:19 |
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| WeAllAre | but the first meego doesnt exist officially | 15:20 |
| WeAllAre | so it could be maemo 6 or moblin 2 or a combination | 15:21 |
| WeAllAre | anyone heard anything specific? | 15:22 |
| WeAllAre | is this channel dead now? | 15:22 |
| X-Fade | WeAllAre: Wait for day 1. | 15:22 |
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| X-Fade | Basically 14 days away. | 15:22 |
| WeAllAre | not much opinion here. We dont ave knowledge anyhow | 15:23 |
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| Anssi__ | Day 14 beofre Meepoch | 15:23 |
| WeAllAre | X-Fade: you have a link? | 15:23 |
| Anssi__ | in channel title | 15:23 |
| WeAllAre | the meego site? | 15:24 |
| X-Fade | http://meego.com/community/blogs/valhalla/2010/towards-day-one | 15:24 |
| X-Fade | Not really hard to find :) | 15:24 |
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| amjad | so meego will use rpm, any idea which version of rpm i am assuming it is 4.8.0 | 15:25 |
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| * timeless_mbp sighs | 15:26 | |
| timeless_mbp | blogs are stupid | 15:26 |
| WeAllAre | i doubt the rpm version is very critical. no advanced featurees will prob be supported in the beginning | 15:27 |
| timeless_mbp | why is there a russian complaining that someone in russia is ripping him off wrt the price of an n900? | 15:27 |
| Anssi__ | we used to have specs no there are only blogs and scrumms | 15:27 |
| timeless_mbp | ripping people off is part of what russia does... | 15:27 |
| Anssi__ | *now | 15:27 |
| WeAllAre | what is the price of an N900 where you are? | 15:27 |
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| iss | how is that specific to Russia? :S | 15:29 |
| Anssi__ | 549.90 € | 15:29 |
| timeless_mbp | iss: charging 1000$ for an n900 is specific to russia | 15:29 |
| WeAllAre | midori gets 100% on http://acid3.acidtests.org/ firefox 3 doesn't | 15:29 |
| timeless_mbp | most other places don't commit armed robbery while ripping you off | 15:29 |
| iss | I can think of a few places | 15:30 |
| WeAllAre | seems to be 533 € here at its cheapest | 15:30 |
| timeless_mbp | WeAllAre: so a browser released in of 2008 (Based on code finalized much earlier) gets a low score on a test | 15:30 |
| timeless_mbp | so what? | 15:30 |
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| WeAllAre | midori os much older isnt it? | 15:31 |
| timeless_mbp | the test was released in march of 2008 | 15:31 |
| WeAllAre | midori is... | 15:31 |
| WeAllAre | what is that test worth is my question | 15:31 |
| timeless_mbp | if you don't know you're wasting my time | 15:32 |
| timeless_mbp | the test is designed to test interesting edge cases | 15:33 |
| WeAllAre | it only seems to test animation | 15:33 |
| timeless_mbp | and classically it was written in such a way to test edge cases known to fail in major browsers | 15:33 |
| WeAllAre | why is asking a question wasting your time ???? | 15:33 |
| timeless_mbp | to point out areas that browsers needed to fix | 15:33 |
| timeless_mbp | because you're obviously expecting an answer from someone who knows | 15:33 |
| timeless_mbp | and sadly, at this time, that's me | 15:33 |
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| VorTechS | hi | 15:49 |
| amjad | hi VorTechS | 15:49 |
| burchr | lo | 15:49 |
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| LinuxCode | amjad, cycle please | 15:51 |
| LinuxCode | and tell us if you get a pm from info | 15:51 |
| LinuxCode | its sending me a message on join to join a random irc network | 15:51 |
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| LinuxCode | Stskeeps, and ? | 15:52 |
| *** Stskeeps sets mode: +b *!*info@85.15.184.* | 15:52 | |
| *** Info was kicked by Stskeeps (spam is not good for the heart) | 15:52 | |
| LinuxCode | VorTechS, can kill it | 15:52 |
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| LinuxCode | I guess thats a confirmation | 15:53 |
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| VorTechS | okay, can you guys PM me the spam pease? | 15:53 |
| VorTechS | er please | 15:53 |
| LinuxCode | sure do it now | 15:54 |
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| VorTechS | okay thanks | 15:54 |
| LinuxCode | np | 15:54 |
| LinuxCode | thanks mate | 15:54 |
| * satmd waves at Stskeeps :) | 15:55 | |
| * satmd is stalking you, hehe | 15:55 | |
| Stskeeps | satmd: well, not a giant leap from #maemo. | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:55 |
| satmd | ;) | 15:56 |
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| burchr | lo, satmd | 15:56 |
| burchr | ;) | 15:57 |
| satmd | 'lo ;) | 15:57 |
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| abraham | hello, one question | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | shoot | 16:01 |
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| Anssi__ | duck and cover | 16:01 |
| abraham | are we gonna be able to load all meego images in netbooks or do we need specific ATOM kit? | 16:01 |
| koupsa | not sure but atom i suppose | 16:02 |
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| koupsa | atom and arm | 16:02 |
| abraham | ok | 16:02 |
| abraham | probably first ARM will be beagleboard | 16:03 |
| abraham | but not sure, just trying to have the correct hardware | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | reference implementation is the n900 | 16:03 |
| abraham | thanks | 16:03 |
| abraham | and n900 has a OMAP3 uC | 16:03 |
| Anssi__ | maemo 6 is probably going to be first meego instance, what that ever means according jaaksi's blog. | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | i doubt there's going to be much hassle putting it on other arm devices though | 16:04 |
| abraham | yeah... | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | GLES is always going to be interesting | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:04 |
| LinuxCode | Stskeeps, so there is a chance we could run meego on N900s ? | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | uhm.. | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:05 |
| abraham | lol | 16:05 |
| Anssi__ | http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/ | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | n900 is going to be reference device for meego arm | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | how can it not | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:05 |
| LinuxCode | k | 16:05 |
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| LinuxCode | just double checking | 16:05 |
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| Anssi__ | blog quote "We will absolutely not forget N900 users and developers. If you are a developer, develop on N900 with Qt and your apps will run on MeeGo devices." | 16:07 |
| LinuxCode | awesome | 16:08 |
| abraham | @Stskeeps, any MeeGo group you aware of that needs some people for its activities? | 16:08 |
| Anssi__ | thats not awesome? | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually, no | 16:09 |
| Stskeeps | abraham: wiki.meego.com has some bootstrap things, but after friday things should be clearer | 16:09 |
| abraham | ok, thanks | 16:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Anssi__: the above quote is nothing beyond a "if you're msdos devel, be assured your apps will run under XP" | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | means nothing | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | for the user | 16:10 |
| Anssi__ | maybe it is just matter of hardware capability then, not an api issue. | 16:13 |
| lbt | DocScrutinizer: where do you get off with this negativity? | 16:13 |
| lbt | do you work for apple? | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | lbt: that's not negativity, that objectivity | 16:14 |
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| lbt | and given the code's not out I'd call it pure speculation | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm just not reading things into statements that aren't really there | 16:14 |
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| lbt | you are making negative statements as facts with no justification | 16:15 |
| lbt | it's just not helpful | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-03-17 15:05:29] <Stskeeps> n900 is going to be reference device for meego arm | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | THAT'S a statement | 16:15 |
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| lbt | and? | 16:15 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Not something that is new? | 16:16 |
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| lbt | come on - I know it's frustrating but give everything some breathing room | 16:17 |
| lbt | gah, phone... l8r | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | lbt: you're blaming me for paraphrasing a statement just to make clear the meaning to an enthusiastic Anssi__ - why? | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's NOT a negative statement | 16:17 |
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| Anssi__ | juergbi, o/ | 16:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: I never claimed my contribution contained any new bits. Just trying to make clear to Anssi__ that the quote he posted isn't so exciting as it may sound on first read | 16:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | of course it's nice, but honestly to N900 owners it means little, compared to Stskeeps statement | 16:28 |
| TigerTael | mmm? | 16:28 |
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| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Reference platform means hacking place for developers. Not end-user product. | 16:29 |
| Anssi__ | DocScrutinizer, yep, it did not promise actually nothing else than if application developer uses qt, it _should_work in meego device. | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 16:29 |
| LinuxCode | N900 has enough memory etc.. | 16:29 |
| TigerTael | ;/ | 16:29 |
| clintcan | Hi, just want to ask a question regarding moblin and maemo. Does maemo crash a lot, or is it much more stable than moblin (I can only speak for moblin, although it has a good interface, it kinda randomly crashes apps on me)? Just asking because from what I understand, the best of both worlds from maemo and moblin will form meego. | 16:30 |
| TigerTael | Maemo is stable for me. | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | clintcan: well, maemo5 is pretty solid on the n900 :P | 16:30 |
| LinuxCode | +1 | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 16:30 |
| LinuxCode | even on the N810 its stable | 16:30 |
| LinuxCode | so there is a track record there | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | though my N810 itelf starts to act unstable :P | 16:31 |
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| Anssi__ | i have use n900 only for few times but there seems to be lot of bug like feature still left. :) | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: ah, didn't know you had a n810 | 16:31 |
| * Stskeeps will keep that in mind | 16:31 | |
| DocScrutinizer | two | 16:31 |
| TigerTael | There are quite a few features that I miss, BUT... Maemo 5 is new so I can live with it. | 16:31 |
| TigerTael | ctrl+shift+x <3 | 16:32 |
| Anssi__ | yep | 16:32 |
| LinuxCode | [14:31] <DocScrutinizer> though my N810 itelf starts to act unstable :P | 16:32 |
| LinuxCode | fine here mate | 16:32 |
| clintcan | Thanks. I think that going with Qt then would be good for the moblin codebase. | 16:33 |
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| TigerTael | WOW | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | LinuxCode: I managed to bork my charger receptacle | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe that causes the random reboots | 16:34 |
| LinuxCode | could be mate | 16:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | Anssi__: s/what that ever means/whatever that means/ | 16:37 |
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| Anssi__ | timeless_mbp, that i don't know what it means. | 16:38 |
| clintcan | Any news on the N900 to be possibly being flashed with meego firmware when it arrives? I just can't keep up with the mailing list at all; simply overwhelming. | 16:38 |
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| Stskeeps | clintcan: it's supposed to be the reference device for meego, don't worr | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | y | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | if it means corporate support is another thing | 16:39 |
| timeless_mbp | Anssi__: s/replace bad text/correction to bad text/ | 16:39 |
| Anssi__ | timeless_mbp, thanks for your comment | 16:40 |
| timeless_mbp | :) | 16:40 |
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| clintcan | Stskeeps, thanks. :) | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: one of both 810 actully originally packaged and untouched | 16:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | got it a year ago for a spare, if ever my favourite (back when) device might brake :-) | 16:46 |
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| Ddorda | hey, did anyone tried to install meego on N900? | 16:52 |
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| janneg | Ddorda: there is no meego yet | 16:53 |
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| Ddorda | janneg: I mean, I heard it will be possible to install it, but I wanna make sure it will be possible without sending the device to nokia or something | 16:54 |
| Ddorda | janneg: good to know, I was sure there is at least an alpha or something... | 16:55 |
| lupine_85 | source repositories open at the end of the month by all accounts | 16:55 |
| lupine_85 | once it's out, I desire something that will tar up my maemo rootfs and switch in a meego one | 16:56 |
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| Ddorda | lupine_85: do you think meego is going to be as good as maemo? | 16:57 |
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| lupine_85 | TBH, it can't be that hard | 16:57 |
| Ddorda | lupine_85: :D | 16:57 |
| lupine_85 | maemo is great because it's linux, not because it's particularly exceptional linux | 16:57 |
| lupine_85 | IMO, anyway | 16:58 |
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| * lupine_85 is hard to please ;) | 16:59 | |
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| dneary | QUESTION: Testing custom highlighting | 17:03 |
| dneary | Anyone else care to try help me test? | 17:03 |
| dneary | Sorry - let me try that again | 17:04 |
| dneary | QUESTION: Anyone else care to try help me test? | 17:04 |
| dneary | Hmmm | 17:04 |
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| thiago | test what? | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: problems might be related to this action :-P http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/N810-disassembly/ | 17:09 |
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| dneary | thiago, X-Chat highlighting phrases that start with QUESRION: | 17:26 |
| thiago | oh | 17:28 |
| thiago | because nothing happened for me here | 17:28 |
| thiago | (irssi) | 17:28 |
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| burchr | dneary: you won't get a hilight off your own messages fyi | 17:42 |
| dneary | yup | 17:42 |
| dneary | It was QUESTION: not QUESRION: | 17:43 |
| dneary | thiago, It's a personal preference you set | 17:43 |
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| zaheerm | QUESTION: does dave notice my question? | 17:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~say QUESTION: | 17:48 |
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| infobot | QUESTION: | 17:48 |
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| Corsac | ~say ~say ~say | 17:48 |
| infobot | ~say ~say | 17:48 |
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| Corsac | :( | 17:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lol, infobot not that stupid | 17:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you need a second bot to play that game ;-P | 17:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~say !say ~say !say bullshit | 17:50 |
| infobot | !say ~say !say bullshit | 17:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | this one works to some extent though: | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/x/xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx=0=/g | 17:53 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx=0=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx=0=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx=0=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx=0=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx=0=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx=0=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx=0=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx=0=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx=0=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx=0=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx=0=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx=0=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx=0=xxxxxxxx... | 17:53 |
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| Ddorda | Ive seen many n900's in ebay for $150, is it possible? sounds kinda odd =\ | 18:00 |
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| lirakis | Ddorda: uhh... you must be seeing fake ones | 18:04 |
| lirakis | Ddorda: ive seen chinese knockoffs that arent even phones - they just look like n900's | 18:04 |
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| Ddorda | lirakis: I see.. sounds sense to me | 18:05 |
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| lirakis | lol ... for instance this one .. currently at $1.25 | 18:07 |
| lirakis | http://cgi.ebay.com/N900-PDA-Side-Slip-Map-Touch-Querty-GSM-Quad-Band_W0QQitemZ220572848622QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCell_Phones?hash=item335b2a91ee | 18:07 |
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| th0br0 | lirakis: This phone is made in China, not original. It is high copy, good quality! | 18:07 |
| lirakis | nice right?! | 18:07 |
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| lirakis | heck .. for $1.25 | 18:08 |
| lirakis | who cares what it is ha ha | 18:08 |
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| th0br0 | lirakis: most of the time, the manufactures shred the original rom to pieces | 18:08 |
| th0br0 | http://www.diytrade.com/china/4/products/6359337/NOKIA_N900_1_1_Copy_phone_with_QWERTY_sliding_keyboard.html lirakis although that looks interesting indeed | 18:09 |
| X-Fade | Check the specs, it may look like it but nothing else matches. | 18:09 |
| X-Fade | So for all we know this runs windows mobile. | 18:09 |
| th0br0 | Yeah. | 18:09 |
| X-Fade | And the image in the picture is of a Nokia marketing sheet. | 18:10 |
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| lirakis | even comes with a knock off luois vitton phone case | 18:10 |
| th0br0 | http://www.diytrade.com/china/4/products/6343742/NOKIA_N900_1_1_Copy_phone_with_QWERTY_sliding_keyboard.html this one's only got a 1.3mp camera btw | 18:10 |
| X-Fade | So that is dubious anyway, | 18:10 |
| lirakis | nice! now i dont have to go down to bowling green and hustle the guys with giant bindles of knock off bags | 18:10 |
| th0br0 | i'm wondering about the os on that one tho... any idea? | 18:10 |
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| X-Fade | At least it has MMS :) | 18:11 |
| RST38h | Will it run Meego? =) | 18:11 |
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| th0br0 | http://www.diytrade.com/china/4/products/6359337/NOKIA_N900_1_1_Copy_phone_with_QWERTY_sliding_keyboard.html or java 2.0 ;) | 18:11 |
| th0br0 | RST38h: lol | 18:11 |
| RST38h | OMG IT HAS GOT JAVA | 18:11 |
| th0br0 | i also don't want to know how much of the data you store on it ends up in china | 18:12 |
| RST38h | Probably none, but not excatly because China did not want it | 18:12 |
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| th0br0 | but i just don't understand why they don't copy the exact device... it should cost the same | 18:12 |
| Ddorda | anyway I wish to buy an nokia n900 soon | 18:12 |
| X-Fade | th0br0: This one has a 320x240 screen etc. All very low cost parts. | 18:13 |
| th0br0 | yep | 18:13 |
| X-Fade | Making a plastic mold is not the problem for them. | 18:14 |
| th0br0 | and specs like * STANDBY TIME : About 240-360Hours | 18:14 |
| th0br0 | * TALKING TIME : About 3-5Hours | 18:14 |
| RST38h | They do not copy the exact device because they cannot | 18:14 |
| RST38h | It is done differently than what you imagine | 18:14 |
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| RST38h | There is a cellphone-on-a-chip chipset from MTK, I think | 18:15 |
| th0br0 | mh | 18:15 |
| RST38h | It is cheap and will drive a standard 320x240 screen and run Java | 18:15 |
| RST38h | These shed-based companies buy chips from MTK and make the outer casing look more or less like a brandname phone | 18:15 |
| RST38h | They put the MTK chip inside, sometimes even do localization (Chinese Russian localization is especially funny BTW) | 18:16 |
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| th0br0 | http://img.diytrade.com/cdimg/730289/11862010/0/1264828280/Nokia_N900_Rover_Quad_Band_Dual_SIM_Card_Dual_Camera_GSM_Mobile_Phone.jpg now that is a funny thing though | 18:16 |
| RST38h | So, in effect, all these pseudo-nokias and pseudo-sonys run the same firmware provided by the chip manufacturer | 18:16 |
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| RST38h | Copying N900 would be way more expensive and require expertise these Chinese guys lack | 18:17 |
| RST38h | Same goes for copying N95, N97, E71, etc etc | 18:17 |
| th0br0 | true | 18:17 |
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| th0br0 | does mtk have any homepage? | 18:19 |
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| th0br0 | ah it's mediatek | 18:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Silly forum software thread. | 18:38 |
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| thopiekar | hi | 21:56 |
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| thopiekar | I'm a member of the Canola project and atm almost the only person working on Canola.. I need more people here at #canola to improve the code.. the player is great and many plugins are available.. please help. the developters that where working on it in the past were paied to work on it - now they have other priorities so - we need you! | 21:58 |
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| Stskeeps | does it run under meego yet? | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:01 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: hint you can also use "Imagine a cluster of meegos!" =) | 22:01 |
| lizardo | thopiekar: aren't the profusion guys working on it ? have you sent any e-mail to the canola development mailing list ? | 22:02 |
| thopiekar | not atm | 22:05 |
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| thopiekar | but you can help us get it work | 22:06 |
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| Stskeeps | wb jebba | 22:07 |
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| * thopiekar is now going to send that message in other channels , too | 22:12 | |
| Stskeeps | spamming? | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:12 |
| CosmoHill | :o | 22:13 |
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| Myrtti | meh | 22:14 |
| Myrtti | thopiekar: you just lost your brownie points | 22:14 |
| CosmoHill | and brownies | 22:15 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: Will you REALLY take his brownie? | 22:15 |
| RST38h | Cruel! | 22:15 |
| RST38h | Maybe thopiekar manages to make Canola start faster than 40sec | 22:15 |
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| thiago_home | hhartz: morgen | 22:23 |
| hhartz | thiago_home: mornmorn :) | 22:23 |
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| Myrtti | thopiekar: are you stupid or just stubborn? | 22:43 |
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| thopiekar | What do you want from me?, Myrtti | 22:48 |
| Myrtti | to stop spamming. You're being reported to the Freenode staff by now. | 22:48 |
| Myrtti | not by me, mind you | 22:48 |
| thopiekar | o.O' ouch | 22:49 |
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| lbt | hi jebba | 22:56 |
| lbt | hows things? | 22:57 |
| CosmoHill | hey lbt | 22:57 |
| lbt | hi CosmoHill | 22:57 |
| CosmoHill | i have no idea what has happened to the mail server i use | 22:58 |
| CosmoHill | but apparently i need a bigger penis -.- | 22:58 |
| lbt | who doesn't | 22:58 |
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| CosmoHill | :) | 22:58 |
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| jebba | heya lbt Stskeeps :) | 23:07 |
| CosmoHill | best way to confuse someone, run php from the command line | 23:09 |
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| CosmoHill | http://forums.kustompcs.co.uk/showpost.php?p=469761&postcount=5 | 23:10 |
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| lbt | so jebba, hows things? been playing with OBS anymore? | 23:12 |
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| jebba | lbt: no, i havent. Im not very anxious to do anything for meego, honestyl. | 23:57 |
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