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| VDVsx | I simple can't understand to whom they are replying :) | 00:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | thiago_home, we have militant top-posters on the list. | 00:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, it's amazing how many people completely and utterly fail at quoting | 00:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | top-posting, full-text quoting, etc. | 00:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not hard | 00:06 |
| mlfoster | GeneralAntilles: as an IRC noob, where does one go to learn stuff like this? | 00:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | mlfoster, mailing list or IRC? | 00:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because quoting is generally irrelevant on IRC. ;) | 00:07 |
| mlfoster | IRC | 00:07 |
| mlfoster | sorry | 00:07 |
| mlfoster | yes, you are right on that! | 00:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie had a nice article on proper mailing list quoting procedures | 00:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Didn't bother to bookmark it, though. | 00:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style | 00:08 |
| mlfoster | but, even with a mailing list. I see some folks reply at the top of a message, and others at the bottom, and still others scatter comments throughout an email... | 00:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | bottom posting is generally considered the same as interleaved | 00:08 |
| mlfoster | thanks for the wikipedia link. I will check it out. | 00:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | top posting is really never acceptable on a mailing list. | 00:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Basically, only keep the text from the quote that you're actually replying to | 00:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | and try to stick your points next to the points you're responding to. | 00:10 |
| Jaffa | Simples. | 00:10 |
| * thiago_home prefers interleaved text | 00:12 | |
| thiago_home | though I do see the benefit of top-posted text, especially when reading email on a mobile device like the N900 | 00:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | thiago_home, mostly because Modest's quoting hasn't improved at all since it was in beta. :) | 00:12 |
| Jaffa | thiago_home: Except when I'm mobile, I might read messages out of order | 00:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd love to kill the mailing list tag in the subject line, though. . . . | 00:13 |
| thiago_home | it's not about writing, it's about reading emails | 00:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | I prefer interleaved on the N900. | 00:13 |
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| thiago_home | at least the N900 download the entire message | 00:14 |
| Jazzy_Bluesy | Hello all! | 00:14 |
| thiago_home | on Symbian, it only downloaded the beginning | 00:14 |
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| Jazzy_Bluesy | will meego suport n900? | 00:24 |
| Blice | Is there code yet? | 00:24 |
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| kynky | end of q2 i guess | 00:27 |
| burchr | first code is due at the end of the month | 00:29 |
| CosmoHill | burchr: to late, they left | 00:33 |
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| * VDVsx wonders why people insist in using .cc instead of cpp :p | 00:34 | |
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| kynky | whynot .d ? | 00:35 |
| * CosmoHill uses cpp and sometimes cxx | 00:35 | |
| kynky | the alphabetic increment of c | 00:35 |
| CosmoHill | but never both in the same project | 00:35 |
| thiago_home | because C++ is not D | 00:36 |
| kynky | well c++ existed a long time before d did | 00:36 |
| kynky | im just saying its kinda abitary to some extent the extension, aslong as there is convention its ok | 00:37 |
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| VDVsx | CosmoHill, if you were in a project with me the first thing that I would do was rename all your cxx files :P | 00:39 |
| kynky | checkstyle | 00:39 |
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| burchr | can't we all just get along? | 00:40 |
| burchr | :P | 00:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | No! Screw you, burchr. | 00:40 |
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| burchr | :-( | 00:40 |
| * VDVsx sends beer to burchr | 00:40 | |
| CosmoHill | it would be interesting to work on a project with you | 00:41 |
| burchr | ~VDVsx++ | 00:41 |
| CosmoHill | atm there is a three way battle of coding styles between me, simon and dreamweaver | 00:41 |
| VDVsx | CosmoHill, nah, I'm a nice guy ;) | 00:41 |
| kynky | dreamweaver ? | 00:42 |
| CosmoHill | i mean in a good way ;) | 00:42 |
| Myrtti | it's Lisp all the way down | 00:42 |
| * kynky likes haskell | 00:42 | |
| * VDVsx obligated to learn haskell at the Uni :( | 00:42 | |
| VDVsx | *was | 00:43 |
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| CosmoHill | I do web programming | 00:43 |
| CosmoHill | VDVsx: have you found that there is a difference between being taught and forced to learn? | 00:43 |
| kynky | haskell is awesome | 00:43 |
| CosmoHill | it's rare | 00:44 |
| VDVsx | CosmoHill, yes, I could have learned something more useful for me future | 00:44 |
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| VDVsx | but is not that bad, it's different let's say | 00:44 |
| kynky | for my day job i do Java, but on the web side I use Spring MVC and jQuery | 00:45 |
| CosmoHill | i mean a lecturer will tell you what programming language you have to use but not teach it very well to you | 00:45 |
| koupsa | pinaize marveau 10moyene | 00:45 |
| CosmoHill | threefore you're forced to learn | 00:45 |
| koupsa | sorry not here | 00:45 |
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| kynky | concurrency and parallelism is the future of computing, and haskell is at the cutting edge for that | 00:45 |
| VDVsx | I also learned Prolog, very useful as well :P | 00:46 |
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| kynky | you can get fanless gt 240 too, but i only had 1 spare slot, and they are two slots wide | 00:48 |
| kynky | wrong chan, woops | 00:48 |
| CosmoHill | my dad is watching a loud movie | 00:48 |
| CosmoHill | if i go to bed now I'll wake up in star trek world | 00:49 |
| kynky | CosmoHill, which one ? | 00:49 |
| CosmoHill | newest | 00:49 |
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| kynky | awesome film if i forget i have ever watched any star trek before | 00:50 |
| CosmoHill | lol | 00:50 |
| CosmoHill | i got it on blu-ray for my dad's birthday | 00:50 |
| CosmoHill | online prices aren't in store prices :( | 00:51 |
| dockside | startrek II is the best | 00:51 |
| kynky | i got it on 1080p too, witth 5.1 surround sound and big amp, is mega awesome | 00:51 |
| Clay | khan!!!!!!! | 00:51 |
| kynky | i prefer first contact | 00:51 |
| dockside | :) | 00:51 |
| kynky | le cutis | 00:52 |
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| Blice | hum | 04:14 |
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| Blice | http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/15/cowon-v5-review/ | 08:03 |
| Blice | what a cute ui | 08:03 |
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| |RMX| | hello | 10:22 |
| |RMX| | does anyone know if meego will be compatible with N900? | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | it's going to have a reference implementation for n900 | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | go read meego.com :) | 10:24 |
| |RMX| | ive been on the site but its more like "hanging" information | 10:25 |
| thiago_home | the best and only source of information for that answer is the website | 10:25 |
| thiago_home | read the blog | 10:25 |
| thiago_home | anything else you may find is second-hand information | 10:26 |
| |RMX| | ok i'll check again | 10:26 |
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| |RMX| | thanks | 10:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | thiago: hey, am i right in recalling that Qt4.4 for wince didn't have WebKit? :) | 10:27 |
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| |RMX| | i guess there really are no definite answers until we see it .... | 10:32 |
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| thiago | timeless_mbp: you're right | 10:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | i stand by my 4.5 ;-) | 10:57 |
| thiago | please do | 10:57 |
| thiago | :-) | 10:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | i'm pretty sure i picked the number 4.5 earlier because i remembered the 4.4 introduction wasn't a complete rollout | 10:58 |
| thiago | right | 10:59 |
| thiago | it was the first release | 10:59 |
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| Stskeeps | morn achipa | 11:15 |
| achipa | morn Stskeeps | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | how's it going? | 11:15 |
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| achipa | Stskeeps: just the usual morning activities, testing, promoting, telling Niels what I broke :) | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 11:19 |
| X-Fade | achipa: Ehm? :) | 11:19 |
| X-Fade | On my second coffee, so be gentle ;) | 11:20 |
| achipa | X-Fade: the usual headache, promoting PyQt stuff :) | 11:21 |
| achipa | X-Fade: do you need to manually promothe the rest of the packages too, or should that work now ? (though we're OT here, heading back to #maemo) | 11:23 |
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| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Ovi? :) | 13:50 |
| X-Fade | Duh, wrong window ;) | 13:50 |
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| shahin | anyone know when the new meego os for netbooks will be released? | 14:58 |
| thiago | yes, but I can't tell you :-P | 14:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | shahin: hrm, i don't think anyone's going to release an "old meego os for netbooks" | 15:00 |
| timeless_mbp | (thiago could correct me) | 15:00 |
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| Anssi__ | will the upcoming meego toolchain based on scratchbox? | 15:02 |
| heliocastro | No | 15:03 |
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| Stskeeps | hopefully not | 15:04 |
| Anssi__ | cc | 15:04 |
| timeless_mbp | hopefully OBS | 15:04 |
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| thiago | OBS and cross-compilation | 15:06 |
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| lcuk | what are home devs going to build test apps with? | 15:07 |
| lcuk | for arm | 15:07 |
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| lupine_85 | qtcreator? | 15:13 |
| lupine_85 | AIUI, they're integrating it with some toolchain or another | 15:13 |
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| leinir | Madde? | 15:16 |
| lupine_85 | that's the one | 15:16 |
| * leinir still has to try that one out :) | 15:17 | |
| lupine_85 | yeah. I've mostly found scratchbox to be "good enough" for my needs | 15:17 |
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| * lupine_85 reads about zypp, feels better about rpm | 15:22 | |
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| leinir | There you go :) | 15:24 |
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| lupine_85 | my last proper rpm experience was suse 10.1 ;) | 15:25 |
| lupine_85 | says it all, really | 15:26 |
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| TigerTael | ;/ | 15:28 |
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| thiago | my last RPM experience was probably this weekend :-P | 15:35 |
| slaine | I assume that zypp is some opensuse rpm manager then | 15:36 |
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| Stskeeps | C based, yeah | 15:37 |
| burchr | let's rewrite it in assembly to make it faster | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | no, run it on the DSP | 15:40 |
| burchr | that is a great idea | 15:40 |
| burchr | we must do it for great justice | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | (would SAT be quicker on a DSP?) | 15:40 |
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| lupine_85 | in terms of library, it looks like a really good idea | 15:43 |
| lupine_85 | who knows, perhaps it even makes opensuse usable | 15:43 |
| lupine_85 | (last I touched it, it really wasn't) | 15:43 |
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| slaine | same here, I always want to try opensuse but then I remember the bloat and pain I had the last time and I get put off | 15:51 |
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| gouverneur | slaine: you still want to? I stopped touching something with 'suse' written on it years ago | 16:49 |
| slaine | gouverneur: Occasionally my geeky side wants to try it out 'cause it's something different | 16:50 |
| lupine_85 | yeah, I'm not going to | 16:50 |
| lupine_85 | if I want something different, I'll have a first-tiem run at slackware | 16:51 |
| lupine_85 | or retry arch | 16:51 |
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| gouverneur | those people being scared of meego not coming to n900 r pissing me of by now... | 16:51 |
| slaine | ? | 16:52 |
| leinir | slaine: on the community ml | 16:52 |
| gouverneur | at the meego mailinglist they start now aswell... | 16:52 |
| slaine | ah, never signed up to that one | 16:52 |
| X-Fade | gouverneur: To be honest, nobody actually said it will. | 16:52 |
| gouverneur | not enough to have the forums spammed with | 16:52 |
| slaine | " and very raw baseline to a source and binary repository to build MeeGo trunk on Intel ATOM boards and Nokia N900." | 16:53 |
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| slaine | X-Fade: surely someone did | 16:53 |
| gouverneur | X-Fade: yes but from telling that the core will run on n900 you can tell that it will come | 16:53 |
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| X-Fade | slaine: That N900 will be a reference platform, yes. | 16:55 |
| gouverneur | "a final decision has not been made" | 16:55 |
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| X-Fade | slaine: Not that it will be a commercial product ;) | 16:55 |
| lupine_85 | reference platform is good enough for me :) | 16:55 |
| slaine | right | 16:55 |
| lupine_85 | TBH, as long as I've got a kernel with support for all the hardware in the phone, I'm happy | 16:55 |
| X-Fade | Which can basically mean, you can use it to develop MeeGo software on. | 16:55 |
| X-Fade | Not that it will be anything pleasant to use as end user ;) | 16:56 |
| slaine | so same status as the previous n[89][01]0 tablets then when it came to new releases ? | 16:56 |
| gouverneur | and someone said that n900 will get harmattan a few weeks ago when it was about .debVS.rpm | 16:56 |
| X-Fade | For example, it might not be a phone but a tablet for some time. | 16:57 |
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| lcuk | mm | 16:57 |
| gouverneur | X-Fade: might happen... | 16:57 |
| X-Fade | As I don't know if there is any open phone software available to be used on the short term? | 16:57 |
| slaine | I imagine drivers etc. are the main blocker on full n900 support and the ability to release them fully ? | 16:58 |
| lupine_85 | can't be that hard to hack $random_sip_program | 16:58 |
| X-Fade | slaine: Drivers is actually something that has been worked around a bit already. | 16:58 |
| gouverneur | slaine: drivers may remain closed | 16:58 |
| X-Fade | slaine: Re-distributing might be an issue though. | 16:58 |
| slaine | I can picture a similar world of pain as those with Menlow platforms | 16:59 |
| gouverneur | and nokia may still have some closed source with their *firmware* for any device | 16:59 |
| slaine | (the Intel / PowerVR GMA500/Poulsbo chipset) | 16:59 |
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| gouverneur | I hope there will be special features in compatibility between the meego versions like meeSync, meeView etc | 17:01 |
| ShadowJK | I guess it depends on how soon meego gets working phone with ofono, there's already an ofono driver that works with n900, so.. | 17:02 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: But you can run any kernel in open mode. | 17:14 |
| gouverneur | X-Fade: wrong channel | 17:14 |
| X-Fade | Ugh, bad day wrt windows today ;) | 17:14 |
| gouverneur | ;) | 17:14 |
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| gouverneur | those people are realy dipping into a URL typo these days... | 17:52 |
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| leinir | clearly they've nothing better to talk about :) | 17:55 |
| leinir | or do for that matter ;) | 17:55 |
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| gouverneur | leinir: back to work then ;) | 17:59 |
| leinir | them lazy bums! ;) | 18:00 |
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| slaine | interesting post from imad there on gtk+ support | 18:05 |
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| lcuk | slaine, links help context | 18:05 |
| slaine | lcuk, you not on the dev mailing list ? | 18:06 |
| leinir | http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-March/000890.html | 18:06 |
| slaine | wot he pasted | 18:06 |
| leinir | In short: GTK+ will, almost certainly, be part of the core MeeGo software platform | 18:06 |
| lcuk | slaine, usually theres more than one place to post something - if you mean the ML let people know where they can look, if you meant a forum post - give links etc | 18:07 |
| slaine | k | 18:07 |
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| lcuk | thx tho | 18:07 |
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| thiago | I'm not sure it will be part of "core" | 18:09 |
| thiago | there may be different core levels | 18:09 |
| dneary | Hi slaine | 18:12 |
| dneary | thiago, | 18:12 |
| dneary | et al | 18:12 |
| * slaine waves at dneary | 18:14 | |
| VDVsx | what's the size of GTK+, does anyone knows ? (more of less) | 18:14 |
| VDVsx | only the core libs, of course | 18:15 |
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| Corsac | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 689K Feb 18 23:11 /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0.1800.7 | 18:18 |
| Corsac | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.1M Feb 18 23:11 /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.1800.7 | 18:18 |
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| dneary | VDVsx, How do you measure size? | 18:30 |
| VDVsx | installed size :D | 18:32 |
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| Stskeeps | so, uh | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | steering group meeting friday.. where? | 18:33 |
| VDVsx | but that will be less important in the future IMO, a few MB in a +32gb partition is nothing | 18:33 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, your house ? :D | 18:34 |
| * GeneralAntilles bets on conference call. | 18:34 | |
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| VDVsx | where's that info btw ? | 18:35 |
| lcuk | VDVsx, will all meego implementations have the full 32gb available for system libraries? | 18:35 |
| drizztbsd | hi | 18:35 |
| drizztbsd | how can I install gnome? | 18:35 |
| thiago | unlikely | 18:35 |
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| Stskeeps | imad mentioned it on mailing list | 18:36 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, probably not, that's why I agree with thiago's email (some will not have GTK+) | 18:37 |
| lcuk | meego on cig lighters viable then | 18:37 |
| VDVsx | imagine a IVS with a Qt UI, probably not need to have GTK+ | 18:37 |
| VDVsx | s/not/no | 18:37 |
| lcuk | industrial valve services? | 18:38 |
| VDVsx | err, the current name IVI,I think | 18:39 |
| VDVsx | anyway in vehicle system | 18:39 |
| thiago | also known as IVI | 18:40 |
| VDVsx | probably IVS is wrong :p, dunno | 18:40 |
| VDVsx | IVS: Intelligent Vehicle System | 18:41 |
| VDVsx | IVI: In-Vehicle Infotainment | 18:42 |
| VDVsx | "Infotainment" sounds weird :D | 18:43 |
| * Stskeeps ponders idly about the 'next TSG meeting' formulation instead of 'first' :P | 18:43 | |
| thiago | it's because it provides info (maps, GPS, etc) as well as entertainment (radio, sometimes video) | 18:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | thiago, doesn't really make it less weird | 18:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | and it doesn't apply to just cars. | 18:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | So it's rather non-specific. | 18:45 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, onstar support for your bike is a bit OTT tho | 18:45 |
| VDVsx | sounds like a made up word :D | 18:46 |
| janneg | VDVsx: it is a made up word | 18:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | All words are made up. | 18:47 |
| VDVsx | well, you know what I tried to say :) | 18:47 |
| slonopotamus | GeneralAntilles: except for those that aren't, yep. | 18:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | slonopotamus, language is not a natural construct. :) | 18:49 |
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| * lupine_85 does hope he can attend the TSG meeting | 19:07 | |
| lupine_85 | the repo on | 19:08 |
| lupine_85 | ..e | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | the repo wg meeting you mean :P | 19:09 |
| lupine_85 | yuss | 19:10 |
| lupine_85 | I'm going to be in deepest cornwall | 19:10 |
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| lupine_85 | hopefully there'll be magic power for my phone so I can get magic xchat | 19:10 |
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| koivula | I encourage my friend at work to install tracking software for his iPhone to see when my n900 with limited software supply arrives :) | 20:17 |
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| leinir | *giggles* Interesting way of solving a problem :) | 20:19 |
| leinir | As if sitting somewhere hitting refresh on a browser wasn't enough... ;) | 20:19 |
| gouverneur | koivula: some days ago some iphone stockholm syndrom guy asked me to dodge his graphing app, I took gnuplot and scripted it in less than 1 minute... he had no further questions | 20:22 |
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| leinir | *giggles* it's just so much fun :) | 20:23 |
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| slaine | hmmm, about time I was off to the pub | 20:28 |
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| CosmoHill | mew | 20:28 |
| slaine | I won't be around tomorrow, so I'll wish you all a beannachtaí lá feile padraig | 20:28 |
| CosmoHill | I'm gonna have to start doing versioning on my project | 20:28 |
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| CosmoHill | hollo | 21:10 |
| CosmoHill | s/hollo/hello | 21:10 |
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| CosmoHill | damn bot | 21:10 |
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| CosmoHill | anyone want to see what my awesome program looked like when i started working on it today? | 22:03 |
| timeless_mbp | why not? | 22:03 |
| CosmoHill | open termianl and type "cat /bin/cat" | 22:03 |
| CosmoHill | cos that's what it looked like :( | 22:03 |
| timeless_mbp | oops | 22:03 |
| CosmoHill | later on i might ask what you guys think of it and for advise / areas of improvement | 22:04 |
| timeless_mbp | don't cat binary files? :) | 22:04 |
| CosmoHill | oh no, that's just what my program looked like | 22:05 |
| CosmoHill | i think a constructor had failed | 22:05 |
| thiago_home | cat /dev/mouse /dev/watchdog | 22:05 |
| * CosmoHill goes to create a svn repo | 22:06 | |
| CosmoHill | that way if it all goes wrong i can just jump back some versiosn | 22:06 |
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| ShadWolf | hello i'm glad to hear about the merge of meego and maemo | 23:03 |
| CosmoHill | :) | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | we're glad you're glad | 23:04 |
| ShadWolf | i tested recently mblin on my new netbook acer ONE D250 ans i noticed some slow things and i don't know if that's normal or due to my image | 23:04 |
| CosmoHill | ShadWolf: nvidia graphics cards? | 23:05 |
| ShadWolf | ok so here are my "problems" first i byte writed the img file on a SD card | 23:05 |
| ShadWolf | no atom n 270 1.6ghz and intel chipset | 23:05 |
| ShadWolf | I noticed a cool app to set up the keyboard | 23:06 |
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| ShadWolf | but the new layout mapping of the keyboard is not kept | 23:06 |
| ShadWolf | i noticed unlike chromeOS there is an option install when you boot the moblin image | 23:06 |
| ShadWolf | i noticed the SD intallation can't keep the new soft downloaded | 23:07 |
| ShadWolf | since SD card allows to write on it that should be normal to kept the conf and the new intalled software on it | 23:09 |
| ShadWolf | i noticed firefox is dead slow when pages involve big background image and flash stuffs | 23:10 |
| ShadWolf | so is it possible to install moblin on my SD once and for all instead of having it running as live mode | 23:11 |
| ShadWolf | there fore do i need a swap partition on the SD card ? | 23:11 |
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| CosmoHill | rawr | 23:19 |
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| CosmoHill | silent mode should vibrate | 23:19 |
| thresh | and it does, if you tell it so. | 23:19 |
| CosmoHill | i know that now | 23:20 |
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| CosmoHill | yay, Reading 1 - 0 QPR | 23:56 |
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| inz | Quadratic Phrase Recognition?-) | 23:57 |
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| CosmoHill | hehe | 23:58 |
| CosmoHill | Queen's Park Rangers | 23:58 |
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