| wiretapped | so you're saying it is going to die... in a fire? | 00:00 |
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| lcuk | no, it is the fire | 00:00 |
| lcuk | it will warm everyone | 00:00 |
| red | by burning | 00:00 |
| red | and dying | 00:01 |
| red | or is it like Peter in Heroes, he's gonna explode and take half of New York with him? | 00:01 |
| lcuk | haha | 00:01 |
| red | and theen Maemo will try to go back in time to prevent Moblin from Absorbing the nuclear mans abilitiies | 00:01 |
| red | thus preventing the cataclysm | 00:01 |
| red | ok too much sci-fi for me | 00:02 |
| * red hides | 00:02 | |
| lcuk | make sure hero does not mean his former self | 00:02 |
| lcuk | or it is hiro | 00:02 |
| * lcuk can never remember | 00:02 | |
| cyberkonsult | I tried to log in (meegotalk.com) using my OpenId from the meego site, (and was presented with the login popup), but now I can't connect (gets dropped?) | 00:03 |
| lcuk | is meegotalk.com an official site? | 00:04 |
| lcuk | do you give your credentials to every site that asks and looks the same? | 00:04 |
| cyberkonsult | http://wiki.meego.com/Forum_/_Talk | 00:05 |
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| cyberkonsult | lcuk: ha! good point | 00:05 |
| lcuk | cyberkonsult, i wish that was a laughing matter :p | 00:06 |
| cyberkonsult | Security can be :) | 00:06 |
| cyberkonsult | Seriously, I could reach both talk.maemo.org and meegotalk.com before.. now its dev/null ........... | 00:07 |
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| scr4ve | cyberkonsult: to which ip does your dns resolve? | 00:09 |
| scr4ve | maybe its apple-sponsored. | 00:09 |
| * scr4ve hides | 00:09 | |
| cyberkonsult | 74.86.202.247 | 00:09 |
| lcuk | scr4ve, nahhhh that ip has sharp edges, it cant be apple | 00:10 |
| crysaz | muahahahah | 00:10 |
| scr4ve | ok, dns isn't apple sponsored. what does tracert say? | 00:11 |
| cyberkonsult | no icmp packets from my end... possible my ISP is messing around... OR one of my firewalls is fup | 00:12 |
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| lcuk | or you left the n00b coockie enabled | 00:12 |
| lcuk | -c | 00:12 |
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| cyberkonsult | lol.. well.. long story short.. I have a openwrt box in a fw-chain here.. and for some reason the "-m --limit" doesn't work... can't remember why ... I belive it was one of the first whitrussian img... | 00:14 |
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| lcuk | cyberkonsult, but you could connect before :p | 00:15 |
| cyberkonsult | don't remember.. and I cant reconfig the firewall remot (serial to the little bugger...). | 00:15 |
| lcuk | reboot | 00:15 |
| lcuk | hey DawnFoster | 00:15 |
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| cyberkonsult | yeah! so something changed at the other end methinks | 00:16 |
| cyberkonsult | I tried from another machine.. same thing... :( | 00:16 |
| DawnFoster | hey lcuk | 00:16 |
| cyberkonsult | I suspect that there is some security thingie over at talk.maemo.org that maybe goes like: if _max_log_attempts do iptables_drop_the_crook | 00:18 |
| cyberkonsult | this is only a guess... | 00:18 |
| lcuk | lol | 00:18 |
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| cyberkonsult | anyway, gotta get some sleep 23:19 here in sweden... zzzzz | 00:19 |
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| lcuk | DawnFoster, which barcamps do you get involved in? | 00:20 |
| lcuk | /did | 00:20 |
| RST38h | moo lcuk | 00:21 |
| lcuk | hey RST38h | 00:22 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk, This is my 4th year on the organizing team for BarCampPortland. | 00:23 |
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| DawnFoster | lcuk, I also attend other BarCamps when I can (Austin, Corvallis, etc.) | 00:24 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, the reason why i ask, last year i went to a couple and really like the whole experience, i would hope at the next summit to allocate some rooms and a grid | 00:24 |
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| lcuk | (barcamplondon and manchester) | 00:24 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk good idea. I like having unconference sessions at events. I love the format & it gives people flexibility to add additional sessions to continue conversations or talk about hot topics. | 00:26 |
| lcuk | exactly | 00:26 |
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| DawnFoster | lcuk I've used both & I tend to prefer using the low tech method of post it notes on the wall | 00:28 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk, it acts as a gathering place and gets people talking to each other in the offline world | 00:29 |
| lcuk | yeah DawnFoster its such a hub, and watching people fight for that one slot after a controversial session is fun ;) | 00:29 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk, I have sharp elbows, so I do pretty well in the mad rush for the grid :) | 00:30 |
| lcuk | this is why i like the idea of a digital grid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeVPddxHW84 | 00:32 |
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| DawnFoster | lcuk, that's pretty cool | 00:34 |
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| lcuk | gnite DawnFoster RST38h \o | 00:36 |
| DawnFoster | gnite, lcuk | 00:39 |
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| sadata | RPM????? | 06:13 |
| sadata | Who makes these decisions? | 06:13 |
| rwhitby | Nokia and Intel I guess ... ;) | 06:14 |
| sadata | Maybe everyone should jump ship and divert their energies to something like Mer. | 06:15 |
| GAN900 | sadata, yeah, Mer is joining energy with MeeGo | 06:23 |
| sadata | great | 06:24 |
| GAN900 | sadata, maybe you should do a bit more reading and leave the knee-jerk reactions at the door. :) | 06:24 |
| GAN900 | Otherwise you sound like a troll. | 06:24 |
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| sadata | GAN900: Ah, so I take it you're the one who decided to go with rpm | 06:30 |
| GAN900 | sadata, nah, I just did some reading on why they did it and looked at the existing tooling for both deb and rpm and came to positive conclusion about it. | 06:31 |
| GAN900 | Rather than dismissing it out-of-hand as a bad decision | 06:31 |
| sadata | And what were the positives? | 06:31 |
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| GAN900 | The package choice has little relation to RedHat of 2000, and the tooling around rpm in Moblin is significantly more mature than the stuff we've got in Maemo right now. | 06:34 |
| GAN900 | Sane tools now for a slightly inferior package format | 06:35 |
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| GAN900 | or more delays and questionable tooling for a slightly better one? | 06:35 |
| GAN900 | Yes, politics probably also had a say, but the package format is hardly a worthwhile sticking point | 06:36 |
| sadata | That's fine to say that it's not any worse, but where's the *advantage* for making the change in the first place? | 06:36 |
| LinuxCode_aw | also, the Red Hat rpm folks work with other RPM folks e.g. Suse, in order to try and get one standard | 06:37 |
| GAN900 | If you want to bitch about something, bitch about the proprietary differentiation that'll be on top of every vendor shipped firmware and signed kernels. :) | 06:37 |
| sadata | Time to open source the hardware | 06:38 |
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| LinuxCode_aw | sadata, there you go, that be a good mission | 06:38 |
| * LinuxCode_aw expects results in a few years | 06:39 | |
| LinuxCode_aw | hehe | 06:39 |
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| sadata | Maybe instead of just going with RPM, they should use this as an opportunity to combine the best of both DEB and RPM into a new generic, distribution-independent packaging format without any loyalties to Debian or Redhat (e.g. Linux Package Manager or something). | 06:43 |
| sadata | And make a smooth conversion path possible from both RPM and DEB. | 06:44 |
| LinuxCode_aw | sadata, and the packagers have to learn yet another "standard" | 06:45 |
| LinuxCode_aw | ? | 06:45 |
| sadata | Get the distribution-specific branding (and the politics out) | 06:45 |
| sadata | Well, that's the problem ... there are two "standards" with a large number in both camps | 06:45 |
| LinuxCode_aw | so ? | 06:45 |
| sadata | Bring them together with the best of both | 06:45 |
| jrayhawk | they already have the best of eachother | 06:45 |
| LinuxCode_aw | quite honestly I do not see your issue | 06:45 |
| LinuxCode_aw | apart from you maybe being a ..deb fanboy | 06:46 |
| sadata | It's not an issue ... just an idea | 06:46 |
| rwhitby | they're both open source, take the best from each and put it into the other. | 06:46 |
| sadata | I'm not a DEB fanboy ... it's just a drastic change to the status quo ... and I haven't seen a logical explanation for the change | 06:46 |
| LinuxCode_aw | besides, for most people the main concern is the update manager | 06:46 |
| dotblank | I don't think you can easily do that. Some of the benefits are intrinsically exclusive of the other | 06:46 |
| sadata | benefits like what? | 06:47 |
| rwhitby | sadata: ah, but for Moblin it was not a change ... | 06:47 |
| sadata | Yeah, but wasn't Moblin pretty much abandoned for a while? | 06:47 |
| sadata | Maemo was starting to gain some ground | 06:48 |
| dotblank | I think maemo will have a more front seat role in this. Considering maemo has a larger community | 06:48 |
| rwhitby | I doubt Intel would agree with your statement about Moblin. | 06:48 |
| dotblank | well I tested moblin the other day. I thought it was fantastic. It had some good ideas and a sick UI | 06:49 |
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| sadata | I've seen it in concept videos but never actually tried it ... "sick" as in good sick or bad sick? | 06:50 |
| dotblank | I'm trying to figure out how some of those ideas will be incorporated into meego. | 06:50 |
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| dotblank | As in good | 06:50 |
| sadata | fast? | 06:51 |
| dotblank | It performs great.. The issue I have is with the browser | 06:51 |
| LinuxCode | dotblank, what browser ? | 06:52 |
| dotblank | The OS is sleek and fast. Also well designed and makes a lot of since. However I think Some aspects are very limiting (ie. The amount of social networks support and browser is too slow for netbooks) | 06:52 |
| dotblank | The one based off of mozilla | 06:52 |
| LinuxCode | k | 06:52 |
| sadata | So, hopefully it borrows that stuff from Maemo | 06:52 |
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| LinuxCode | sadata, errrm | 06:53 |
| sadata | in MeeGo | 06:53 |
| * LinuxCode thought maemo's broswer was using the mozilla engine | 06:53 | |
| dotblank | I like the browser on maemo a lot. I wish though it had something similar to chromium. | 06:53 |
| LinuxCode | hehe | 06:53 |
| sadata | The Maemo browser is great | 06:53 |
| dotblank | I use chromium on my netbook and it is FAST | 06:53 |
| LinuxCode | tbh Id like people get a choice | 06:53 |
| sadata | It's the best browsing experience I've ever had on a handheld device | 06:54 |
| sadata | Fenec sucks compared to it | 06:54 |
| LinuxCode | but one where they can also use flash and get updates | 06:54 |
| dotblank | sadata, It is | 06:54 |
| LinuxCode | and I mean long term updates, not 2 years | 06:54 |
| dotblank | Chromium so far (at least in my experience) seems to outperform firefox and any mozilla based browser by a landslide. | 06:55 |
| sadata | Chrome feels very lightweight compared to the bloated Firefox on my netbook | 06:55 |
| dotblank | Chromium feels faster | 06:56 |
| dotblank | I mean it feels like im using a desktop | 06:56 |
| * LinuxCode still thinks Intel got in with this deal, because they have a secret chip up their sleeves | 06:56 | |
| sadata | They'll need one to compete with the new ARMs | 06:56 |
| sadata | Hope it's something that doesn't need a fan | 06:57 |
| dotblank | What do you think about the new windows mobile OS? | 06:57 |
| dotblank | I think what may kill it is the lack of apps | 06:57 |
| dotblank | And it doesn't have a community like this | 06:58 |
| sadata | Usually Microsoft gets stuff right after the 3rd version .... what are they up to now, 7? | 06:58 |
| dotblank | Yea | 06:58 |
| sadata | I haven't tried anything since version 6 on my HTC, but can't say I've ever been impressed | 06:58 |
| dotblank | They rewrote all of it and any previous apps for mobile won't work | 06:59 |
| sadata | Well it probably needed it ... probably based on Zune APIs | 06:59 |
| sadata | Isn't the Microsoft Courier supposedly based on the new Windows Mobile? | 06:59 |
| dotblank | I dunno. I actually don'y pay too much attention to ms any more.. | 07:00 |
| dotblank | I kinda just don't care | 07:00 |
| LinuxCode | dotblank, haha same | 07:00 |
| sadata | Same here | 07:00 |
| LinuxCode | their philosophy is incompatible with mine | 07:00 |
| sadata | Haven't used Windows on my desktop or notebooks for about 3 years now | 07:00 |
| dotblank | It became obsolete. Some kid is like look at this cool desktop widget for my win 7. I'm like "Is that some kind of conky clone?" | 07:01 |
| sadata | I won't stand for any software that needs to be 'activated' and tracked over the Net | 07:01 |
| dotblank | Its not that that bothers me. The open source software is soo much easier to fix | 07:02 |
| sadata | true | 07:03 |
| dotblank | I work with a cisco partner and they don't let google index the bug reports or forums.. This causes great agony and its not easy to fix yourself and that causes customers to spend thousands on smartnet contracts | 07:03 |
| LinuxCode | dotblank, yeh, but as sadata said | 07:03 |
| LinuxCode | no keys | 07:03 |
| LinuxCode | serials | 07:03 |
| LinuxCode | which makes it easier | 07:03 |
| LinuxCode | no registry either | 07:03 |
| dotblank | Well all of the information is there | 07:04 |
| dotblank | google indexes mailing list archives.. It is soo much easier to find help on Open Source | 07:04 |
| LinuxCode | I love it how people always say to me, Linux is sooo complicated | 07:04 |
| LinuxCode | yet they spend more time installing etc.. than I do | 07:04 |
| LinuxCode | dotblank, that too | 07:04 |
| sadata | Yeah, I decided to get off of Windows one morning around 2 am when I was fixing my wife's computer and XP detected that the hardware had changed and made me phone a number and enter some 30-digit number. | 07:04 |
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| sadata | That was it ... I was done | 07:05 |
| dotblank | Im tired of none decript stop errors... | 07:05 |
| LinuxCode | sadata, I just did not want to used "copies" of unaffordable software | 07:05 |
| LinuxCode | -d | 07:05 |
| dotblank | IRQ NOT LESS OR EQUAL.. that was the end of my tolerance | 07:05 |
| LinuxCode | virus riddled | 07:05 |
| sadata | I never minded paying for something if I felt that I actually owned it ... but Microsoft couldn't have that | 07:06 |
| LinuxCode | sadata, yeah same | 07:06 |
| sadata | They want to rent it to you | 07:06 |
| sadata | and then terminate it and force you to upgrade on their schedule | 07:06 |
| LinuxCode | paying is not the issue, but I could not afford it at the time | 07:06 |
| LinuxCode | I mean technically I got my stuff from Uni anyway, so I was licensed | 07:06 |
| LinuxCode | just the whole procedure annoyed me to death | 07:06 |
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| sadata | It's the absolute freedom you get with opensource | 07:07 |
| dotblank | I mean.. I have access to an msdn subscription | 07:07 |
| LinuxCode | go to lecturer, get site access, download, ask for code....install enter key | 07:07 |
| dotblank | and it has all these keys on it for about everything | 07:07 |
| LinuxCode | that was 6 years ago or so | 07:07 |
| sadata | same here ... years ago my MSDN subscription was worth something to me ... now I just use it to grab Visual Studio for work | 07:07 |
| dotblank | I use it to install xp in my VM | 07:07 |
| sadata | couldn't care less about all the various server products ... we have it all in Linux | 07:07 |
| dotblank | thats about it | 07:08 |
| LinuxCode | and using linux servers, it made evn more sense to switch | 07:08 |
| sadata | I do run Visual Studio under XP in VirtualBox for work | 07:08 |
| dotblank | You know those $100 plug computers? | 07:08 |
| LinuxCode | sadata, hehe | 07:08 |
| LinuxCode | sadata, why not use mono ? | 07:08 |
| sadata | I do | 07:08 |
| LinuxCode | k | 07:08 |
| LinuxCode | ;-D | 07:08 |
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| dotblank | That is crazy.. Now all they need to do now because it draws about 1wat is to make it PoE. | 07:09 |
| sadata | but not for official releases for clients | 07:09 |
| LinuxCode | dotblank, haha could run a a9 cortex then | 07:09 |
| LinuxCode | 1.9 watt dual core 2ghz | 07:09 |
| dotblank | thats crazy | 07:09 |
| sadata | nice | 07:09 |
| LinuxCode | or 0.5 watt 800mhz | 07:09 |
| dotblank | You can make a really big cluster with that | 07:09 |
| LinuxCode | 1/3rd the size of a atom | 07:10 |
| LinuxCode | if the article I read is to believed | 07:10 |
| sadata | and low heast | 07:10 |
| sadata | heat | 07:10 |
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| sadata | gotta run ... later | 07:11 |
| dotblank | Later | 07:11 |
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| dotblank | Im actually more worried about android | 07:11 |
| LinuxCode | how so ? | 07:12 |
| dotblank | MS is an afterthought.. and palm.. | 07:12 |
| dotblank | I see android devices everywhere now | 07:12 |
| * LinuxCode just wants a phone enabled slap | 07:12 | |
| LinuxCode | slab | 07:12 |
| LinuxCode | I wan to install any distro on it I like | 07:12 |
| LinuxCode | and I would like the handset manufacturers to make that possible for me | 07:12 |
| dotblank | But the influence of carriers make that very difficult | 07:13 |
| dotblank | Verizon should just go and die | 07:13 |
| LinuxCode | well, they want to sell you stuff | 07:14 |
| LinuxCode | but with that in mind, the N900 is very highly advertised here in the UK | 07:14 |
| LinuxCode | and it can install free community appz | 07:14 |
| dotblank | I'm trying to get another fios router from verizon because it has MoCa bridge on it.. They said it would cost $130 and cost me $5/month and If I cancel my service they get to keep it | 07:14 |
| LinuxCode | I think these days, they just want something to compete with Apple | 07:14 |
| LinuxCode | and if any sidelined business happens, they will take that gladly | 07:15 |
| LinuxCode | dotblank, hehe | 07:15 |
| LinuxCode | Im not in the US | 07:15 |
| dotblank | im just going to grab one off ebay | 07:16 |
| dotblank | it costs about $50 to tether your phone to your computer for internet | 07:17 |
| LinuxCode | hehe | 07:18 |
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| dotblank | I feel liek the only person within a 50 mile radius who owns an n900 | 07:19 |
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| LinuxCode | dotblank, judging by all the adverts Ive seen here in the UK | 07:22 |
| LinuxCode | I predict the N900 becoming a very popular device | 07:22 |
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| dotblank | Europe is very linux friendly it seems | 07:23 |
| dotblank | US... not so much | 07:24 |
| LinuxCode | well, there are always pressures here for software patents | 07:24 |
| LinuxCode | thankfully Poland vetoed the last vote | 07:24 |
| LinuxCode | so it got chucked out | 07:24 |
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| LinuxCode | I hope it stays that way | 07:24 |
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| dotblank | I heard of an article that said someone is trrying to make oss pirating | 07:25 |
| LinuxCode | lol where ? | 07:25 |
| LinuxCode | Red Hat uses software patents against the patent trolls | 07:26 |
| LinuxCode | hehe | 07:26 |
| LinuxCode | keep it free | 07:26 |
| LinuxCode | and if they get trolled, they troll back | 07:26 |
| LinuxCode | be much nicer if red hat said, fine, we do not like the US way | 07:27 |
| LinuxCode | we will migrate | 07:27 |
| dotblank | im not worried about RH | 07:27 |
| LinuxCode | I know, it was just an example | 07:27 |
| LinuxCode | oss = piracy lol | 07:27 |
| LinuxCode | has to be some patent troll | 07:27 |
| dotblank | I hope it gets laughed out of court when the judge realizes the court is using postgreSQL for their databse or something liek it or using firefox | 07:27 |
| LinuxCode | who else would come up with such a concept | 07:27 |
| LinuxCode | dotblank, it would not even make it to court here | 07:28 |
| LinuxCode | to have piracy, you need a copyright holder | 07:28 |
| LinuxCode | and the copyright holder clearly indicates their intentions by adding the licenses | 07:29 |
| LinuxCode | so there is no case here | 07:29 |
| LinuxCode | dotblank, can you find that article ? | 07:29 |
| dotblank | http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/open-sauce/37179-foss-piracy-or-so-they-say | 07:29 |
| LinuxCode | I would like to laugh | 07:29 |
| LinuxCode | ta | 07:29 |
| LinuxCode | An American lobby group has asked the US trade representative | 07:30 |
| LinuxCode | I rest my case | 07:30 |
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| LinuxCode | Australian government should probably be on this list as it has recommended the evaluation of free and open source software | 07:31 |
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| LinuxCode | Most large EU countries want FOSS adoption | 07:31 |
| LinuxCode | and quickly! | 07:31 |
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| LinuxCode | I guess MS and co are getting scared | 07:32 |
| dotblank | US is slow to adopt | 07:32 |
| dotblank | but its starting to look too attractive.. | 07:32 |
| LinuxCode | and paying a bit more to get their ideas lobbied | 07:32 |
| dotblank | I'm starting to feel a shift | 07:32 |
| LinuxCode | to what ? | 07:32 |
| LinuxCode | FOSS ? | 07:32 |
| dotblank | yea | 07:32 |
| LinuxCode | yep | 07:32 |
| LinuxCode | its unstoppable | 07:32 |
| dotblank | My school is now looking more and more into it | 07:32 |
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| dotblank | They now have inkscape on all of the PCs | 07:33 |
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| dotblank | btw I love inkscape | 07:33 |
| LinuxCode | Ive seen a number of UK recommendations by the Government for adoption of FOSS | 07:33 |
| LinuxCode | and now we have to save money, it will become more attractive for schools | 07:33 |
| dotblank | Random bestbuy employees palce ubuntu boxes cleverly around the PCs in the store | 07:33 |
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| LinuxCode | lol | 07:35 |
| dotblank | Apparently having skills with OSS is more employable then ever | 07:35 |
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| LinuxCode | dotblank, cant get enough people with sufficient skills | 07:36 |
| LinuxCode | that is ture | 07:36 |
| LinuxCode | true | 07:36 |
| LinuxCode | Unis are very windows centric still | 07:36 |
| LinuxCode | sadly | 07:36 |
| dotblank | Well this rocks for me | 07:36 |
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| dotblank | been using linux since 8th grade | 07:36 |
| LinuxCode | hehe | 07:36 |
| LinuxCode | using Linux is now no longer a problem | 07:37 |
| LinuxCode | when I started, you had to worry about hardware | 07:37 |
| dotblank | I use it at work.. | 07:37 |
| LinuxCode | and I dont mean your mouse | 07:37 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 07:37 |
| dotblank | people freak out when im able to print to the HP printers plug and play on other networks | 07:37 |
| LinuxCode | hehe | 07:38 |
| dotblank | But the best feature.. that could be ground breaking.. Linux need to set up an XMPP service | 07:38 |
| LinuxCode | anyway, I should try and do something productive or go to bed | 07:39 |
| LinuxCode | 5:39 am here | 07:39 |
| dotblank | Empathy supports a tunneled VNC desktop connection that uses stun.. | 07:39 |
| dotblank | and It works really really well | 07:39 |
| LinuxCode | hehe | 07:39 |
| LinuxCode | I prefer ssh | 07:39 |
| LinuxCode | but that is due to the nature of my work | 07:40 |
| dotblank | If everyone on that used linux had a XMPP account with linux foundation... | 07:40 |
| LinuxCode | anyway, nice talking | 07:40 |
| dotblank | yea | 07:40 |
| LinuxCode | ;-} | 07:40 |
| dotblank | you should get sleep | 07:40 |
| LinuxCode | more like ....more work | 07:40 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 07:40 |
| LinuxCode | anyway | 07:40 |
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| dotblank | you work at 5:39 am? | 07:40 |
| LinuxCode | dotblank, I work any time of day | 07:40 |
| LinuxCode | if required | 07:40 |
| dotblank | If you don't mind me asking. What do you do? | 07:41 |
| TigerTael | Hooker. | 07:41 |
| dotblank | lol | 07:41 |
| LinuxCode | SysHooker | 07:41 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 07:41 |
| TigerTael | Actually... that sounds right. | 07:41 |
| LinuxCode | innit | 07:41 |
| TigerTael | Nice. | 07:41 |
| * LinuxCode feels violated by users | 07:41 | |
| LinuxCode | brb | 07:42 |
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| dotblank | well im actually going to get sleep now. | 07:42 |
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| cyberkonsult | Greetings... I (still) can't reach talk.maemo.org but I know it's up.. my route goes as far as: | 10:37 |
| cyberkonsult | po2.fcr03.dal01.dallas-datacenter.com | 10:37 |
| cyberkonsult | Why is my conns dropped?? | 10:37 |
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| LinuxCode | cyberkonsult, ask your DC that | 10:38 |
| LinuxCode | seems they are dropping | 10:38 |
| cyberkonsult | DC? | 10:38 |
| LinuxCode | datacenter | 10:38 |
| cyberkonsult | I can reach the whole world (tcp syn icmp) no problem, but talk.maemo.org dropps everything.. | 10:39 |
| cyberkonsult | s/dropps/drops/ | 10:39 |
| infobot | cyberkonsult meant: I can reach the whole world (tcp syn icmp) no problem, but talk.maemo.org drops everything.. | 10:39 |
| LinuxCode | works fie here | 10:40 |
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| cyberkonsult | k, what does your traceroute give you as the node before 74.86.202.247 ? | 10:40 |
| LinuxCode | ahhh | 10:40 |
| LinuxCode | wait a second | 10:41 |
| LinuxCode | te2-1.cer01.dal01.dallas-datacenter.com (4.71.198.18) | 10:41 |
| LinuxCode | last hop | 10:41 |
| LinuxCode | then it goes dead | 10:41 |
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| cyberkonsult | weird... | 10:42 |
| cyberkonsult | my syn tracert gives (from their dallas-datacenter.com): | 10:42 |
| cyberkonsult | te2-1.cer02.dal01.dallas-datacenter.com | 10:43 |
| cyberkonsult | po2.dar02.dal01.dallas-datacenter.com | 10:43 |
| cyberkonsult | po2.fcr03.dal01.dallas-datacenter.com | 10:43 |
| cyberkonsult | then dead... | 10:43 |
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| LinuxCode | ohh well | 10:44 |
| LinuxCode | AS36351.com | 10:44 |
| LinuxCode | whois says they are responsible | 10:44 |
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| LinuxCode | contact them | 10:44 |
| LinuxCode | sadly there is no tech listed | 10:44 |
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| cyberkonsult | LinuxCode: Suppose they are still fast asleep.... anyway thanks!! :) | 10:45 |
| LinuxCode | np | 10:45 |
| LinuxCode | Im out mate | 10:45 |
| LinuxCode | good luck | 10:45 |
| cyberkonsult | :) | 10:45 |
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| _macros | I just subscribed the meego-sdk mailing list and probably the answer will be there, but... Anybody know which toolchain will be used for building, on meego ? | 15:21 |
| _macros | I mean | 15:22 |
| _macros | scratchbox, madde, ... other ? | 15:22 |
| _macros | RTFM is ok, provided that you tell me which M to read ;) | 15:22 |
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| Stskeeps | i think OBS is the 'primary' build type | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | but scratchbox is definately not in the picture | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | a MADDE like approach would probably be useful for application SDK | 15:24 |
| slaine | it'll also be rpm based rather than deb | 15:24 |
| slaine | but that's basically all the details that are available at the moment, to my knowledge | 15:25 |
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| _macros | About OBS, isn'it an automatic build system ? Something like "Put the build system on a server, wait, check if you have a finale image to deploy, if not report tests" and so on ? | 15:26 |
| _macros | Or it is more like scratchbox ' | 15:27 |
| _macros | ? | 15:27 |
| slaine | in general, but you are supposedly able to build locally too via the build command | 15:27 |
| slaine | that'll generate a clean chroot based on the distro config that you're using, and build the rpm in there | 15:28 |
| _macros | Ok I got the answer (http://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service) | 15:28 |
| _macros | slaine: in general, but you are supposedly able to build locally too via the build command | 15:28 |
| _macros | that's interesting | 15:28 |
| _macros | so It is more complicated that I supposed to be :) | 15:29 |
| RST38h | well it is suse... | 15:29 |
| slaine | _macros: something along the lines of this will be recommended I'd image, http://moblin.org/documentation/building-moblin-packages-natively | 15:30 |
| _macros | thanks | 15:30 |
| slaine | in my experience though, that leads to a poor packaging setup | 15:31 |
| slaine | as many of you guys here found out when trying to rebuild the Moblin 2.1 source rpms | 15:31 |
| _macros | I see there is much hype on the build/packaging issues (e.g. switch from deb to rpm, etc.) - and I understand why | 15:32 |
| _macros | but I am also concerned about the "application developer" side of the matter | 15:33 |
| _macros | I am just trying to figure out | 15:33 |
| _macros | how the development process will change | 15:33 |
| _macros | on maemo I am used to | 15:33 |
| _macros | * use my favorite tool to write the code | 15:33 |
| _macros | * compile with scratchbox | 15:34 |
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| _macros | * try with the emulator or with a conected device | 15:34 |
| _macros | for the tool | 15:34 |
| _macros | I suppose Qt Creator will be pushed, even if not mandated | 15:34 |
| slaine | well, as stated above, the details of how we're supposed to do our work hasn't been released just yet | 15:35 |
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| slaine | we've scraps of information, not a coherent picture. | 15:35 |
| _macros | I hope it will become clear "in the day 1" (www.meego.com) | 15:36 |
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| _macros | let see | 15:36 |
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| _macros | goodbye everybody | 15:45 |
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| slaine | I've been out of action since last week with a cold/flu | 15:47 |
| slaine | sad to see that nothing has progressed yet | 15:47 |
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| burchr | slaine: code drop by the end of the month, iirc | 15:52 |
| slaine | yeah, but there's more to a community than a code drop | 15:53 |
| slaine | I guess the code drop is classed as day 1 then, and the "doors" will be opened to us | 15:53 |
| burchr | slaine: of course, but you can't get a community when there's nothing to base it around | 15:53 |
| burchr | slaine: work/discussion on web infra is ongoing, but that's realistically all that can happen at the moment I think | 15:54 |
| slaine | yeah, I guess | 15:54 |
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| cyberkonsult | from meego-community ML (Quim Gil @ Nokia): | 16:05 |
| cyberkonsult | How soon and how well all those APIs will be available on top of a homogeneous Qt layer is to be seen but expext a big step compared to e.g. Maemo 5 or Moblin 2.1 since the first code release. | 16:05 |
| cyberkonsult | big step!! yay | 16:06 |
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| dockside | so once the code is dropped | 16:07 |
| dockside | what happens next? | 16:07 |
| cyberkonsult | I get my hands dirty!!! Gotta get a N900 1:st | 16:07 |
| dockside | i guess the dev group will have to decide what is the most urgent stuff to work on | 16:07 |
| dockside | and put up tasks/tickets in some management system? | 16:08 |
| dockside | heh i cant afford one atm | 16:08 |
| dockside | not that matters with the current supply, | 16:09 |
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| cyberkonsult | dockside: I saved a few nickles... was on the fence (android||iphone) | 16:09 |
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| dockside | if i get accepted to GSoC or get any of the summerjobs i have applied for i will get one during the summer prolly | 16:10 |
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| cyberkonsult | dockside: Lets hope that Intel&&Nokia realize the importance of coders,coders,coders... and do some sponsoring... :) | 16:11 |
| dockside | well i wanna try meego on my netbook mainly :) | 16:12 |
| VDVsx | cyberkonsult, nokia already did that inside the maemo community ;) | 16:13 |
| dockside | n900 do however seem like an rather awesome phone tho | 16:13 |
| dockside | a phone with a compiler is something i have been dreaming about for years | 16:13 |
| cyberkonsult | VDVsx: Darned, I didn't join maemo ... ;( oh well, I can afford buying it.. better save the devices for upcoming kids/youngsters ;) | 16:14 |
| dockside | also open source ofc | 16:14 |
| VDVsx | if you actively contribute to the community your chances of get a loan or a big discount are/were quite high | 16:15 |
| dockside | btw, with maemo was there any risk that the situation might had become that of the android? i mean locked devices you had to hack to gain root on and poor compability? | 16:15 |
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| dockside | if companies other than nokia had released devices with it | 16:16 |
| VDVsx | probably, I guess that can happen | 16:16 |
| dockside | =/ | 16:16 |
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| VDVsx | doubt Nokia will do it, but who knows :D | 16:17 |
| dockside | singed kernels etc should be banned within the license imo | 16:17 |
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| dockside | i have no intrest in developing open code for companies to lock | 16:18 |
| VDVsx | not a license expert, but that can happen with the majority of the code around, dunno about gplv3 code | 16:19 |
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| dockside | it can | 16:22 |
| dockside | but this is a type of software that is more likely to have it happen to | 16:22 |
| dockside | unlike the desktop and server platforms this is a market that is very hard to achieve popularity in | 16:24 |
| dockside | and community driven projects need the popularity | 16:24 |
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| dgdfgsdf | What exactly are 'osso' and 'hildon' ? what is the difference between them? and will they exist in MeeGo? | 16:29 |
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| dgdfgsdf | Sorry if I ask too many questions | 16:30 |
| VDVsx | osso was the name of the team behind maemo in the past, afaik | 16:30 |
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| VDVsx | http://live.gnome.org/Hildon | 16:30 |
| VDVsx | hildon ^ | 16:31 |
| dgdfgsdf | VDVsx: thanks! | 16:32 |
| dgdfgsdf | so if hildon is a gnome technology, am I correct to assume that it won't be part of QT based MeeGo? | 16:33 |
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| dgdfgsdf | or is hildon compatible with QT? | 16:37 |
| slaine | my guess is that it's going to be us that brings it to meego | 16:37 |
| dgdfgsdf | or is there a different mobile framework for QT? | 16:37 |
| dockside | dont qt have it's on system for that? | 16:37 |
| slaine | as in, in maemo6 it was already deligated as community supported | 16:37 |
| dgdfgsdf | does it have a name, and/or published APIs yet | 16:38 |
| dgdfgsdf | ? | 16:38 |
| slaine | what, maemo6 ? | 16:38 |
| slaine | maemo6 and moblin 2.2 will become meego1.0 | 16:39 |
| dockside | the qt thing is iirc taged as non stable atm | 16:39 |
| dockside | but it is out there and working | 16:39 |
| jysky | i wonder how meego is going to handel contact book and calendar stuff. i think nokia has their own stuff in maemo5, (with no proper syncml or caldav support) | 16:40 |
| dgdfgsdf | is there a name for an open source mobile framework, that is designed fro QT, equivelent to 'hildon' for gnome and GTK? | 16:40 |
| dockside | not sure it if is equvivelent but there is qt mobility | 16:41 |
| dgdfgsdf | dockside: thanks! | 16:42 |
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| cyberkonsult | dgdfgsdf: and others. Check this out! : | 16:47 |
| cyberkonsult | http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2010-March/000293.html | 16:47 |
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| qgilN900 | cyberkonsult & co if anybody is interested following that discussion I believe meego-dev is more appropriate since this is where the platform guys are | 16:52 |
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| cyberkonsult | qgilN900, Yeah.. God idea! Thanks!!! | 16:53 |
| VDVsx | qt mobility is not similar to hildon, since qt mobility is about api to acess stuff (gps, contacts, ...), not about UI | 16:55 |
| VDVsx | in the maemo land something similar to hildon in Qt would be the DUI stuff | 16:56 |
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| achipa | Maemo 6 UI framework, to be more precise, but that a large overlap there | 17:08 |
| achipa | *that's | 17:08 |
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| dockside | ah then i misunderstood the hildon role | 17:08 |
| VDVsx | dockside, where in meego or in maemo ? | 17:09 |
| VDVsx | hildon is first class citizen in maemo5, but will not be in meego, afaik | 17:09 |
| VDVsx | Qt stuff will replace it | 17:10 |
| achipa | note that there is no 1:1 correspondence. Qt4.6 in maemo5 has no special module or UI framework, rather has hildon 'built in' through widget overloading, styling and a few custom components | 17:11 |
| achipa | (opposed to the DUI stuff which will come 'extra') | 17:11 |
| dockside | in maemo | 17:12 |
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| dockside | i have used qt for a lot of stuff never anything ment for handheld devices tho, so i never looked into that kind of stuff. What is the difference when developing with qt? | 17:14 |
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| dockside | i feel there has to be some touchscreen magic you will need to fiddle with and atleast some to handle that you dont always have a keyboard | 17:16 |
| achipa | dockside: Qt takes care of all that, nothing special needs to be done (unless you want to deal with things like pressure level) | 17:17 |
| achipa | dockside: there are a few caveats, but they are mostly listed on the qt4-maemo page (things like finger-scrolling, stacked windows, etc) | 17:18 |
| dockside | cool, so everything developed with strictly QT should work with minimal changes? | 17:18 |
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| achipa | dockside: generally yes (except if you used modules like QtHelp, QtAssistant or QtDesigner :) | 17:19 |
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| dockside | well nice to hear that even the mobile part of QT is as robust as the rest of it | 17:20 |
| achipa | dockside: OpenGL stuff can be sensitive (because of OpenGL != OpenGL ES) | 17:21 |
| dockside | heh | 17:21 |
| leinir | !QT | 17:21 |
| leinir | oh... wrong channel ;) | 17:22 |
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| leinir | dockside: In short - it's Qt, not QT :) | 17:22 |
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| dockside | wierd i usually write qt ;) | 17:23 |
| leinir | It's still Qt ;) | 17:23 |
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| dockside | how is gtk development compared to QT? | 17:24 |
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| dockside | ofc you dont have the Qt macros etc | 17:24 |
| leinir | No idea... You'll have to ask someone who's worked with QuickTime to get that one answered ;) | 17:25 |
| dockside | lol | 17:25 |
| dockside | is gtk as wide as Qt? | 17:25 |
| leinir | A friend described the whole GTK vs Qt thing to me once in this way: When using Qt to build applications, you are working /with/ a framework to create applications. When working with GTK to build applications, you are working /around/ a toolkit to create applications. | 17:26 |
| dockside | hehe | 17:26 |
| leinir | while that's somewhat flame-baitey, looking at GTK code as someone who's not written any, i must say it does seem about right to me :) | 17:26 |
| dockside | hehe | 17:26 |
| leinir | No, GTK is almost entirely a GUI toolkit... Roughly equivalent to the QtGUI module :) | 17:26 |
| dockside | well that is one thing i like about Qt | 17:27 |
| dockside | that it is so much more than a GUI lib | 17:27 |
| leinir | Yeah :) As they tend to say in #Qt - world domination starts with QString ;) | 17:27 |
| hcl2 | are there any public reasons for not allowing public read only access to a code repository at this point? | 17:27 |
| florian | leinir: That's not entirly true. GTK+ comes with glib which provides a lot of non-gui stuff. | 17:28 |
| lcuk | leinir, they also say "rtfm" a lot too :p | 17:28 |
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| dockside | well the Qt manual is damn easy to read tho | 17:28 |
| leinir | lcuk: Yes, because the effin manual is there ;) i tend to use lmgtfy in stead, but yes ;) | 17:28 |
| lcuk | heh | 17:29 |
| slaine | I've been dusting off my C++ since the announcement | 17:29 |
| lcuk | speaking of the manual | 17:29 |
| lcuk | theres no real official hello world for qt 4 stuff on google | 17:29 |
| burchr | slaine: offer is still there for help if you ever need it ;) | 17:29 |
| slaine | Now I remember why I don't like it | 17:29 |
| lcuk | if you search "hello world qt" you get old v3 examples | 17:29 |
| dockside | you dont need one | 17:29 |
| sroedal | lcuk: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.3/tutorial-t1.html | 17:30 |
| burchr | ^ | 17:30 |
| slaine | burchr: cheers :) | 17:30 |
| sroedal | lcuk: searching for "hello world qt 4" helped :) | 17:30 |
| burchr | sroedal wins the prize | 17:30 |
| lcuk | sroedal, i am merely implying that google is outdated | 17:30 |
| slaine | lcuk: Wrong, the internet is outdated ;) | 17:31 |
| dockside | anyone know how well the Qt-threads perform on sparc processors? | 17:31 |
| leinir | slaine: Don't worry so much about C++, most of the nasty stuff's hidden away very nicely by Qt i've found :) Even the dubious availability of dynamic_cast gets mostly fixed by qobject_cast ;) | 17:31 |
| hcl2 | just the www is outdated | 17:31 |
| slaine | dockside: at a guess, Qt's threads are abstracted posix threads on said platform | 17:32 |
| dockside | i would guess so too, gonna write some tests :) | 17:32 |
| slaine | leinir: lol | 17:32 |
| burchr | dockside: my general rule, don't worry about performance of the library on different platforms, it is its job to make itself perform well, and yours to file bugs if it doesn't | 17:32 |
| slaine | I'd rather learn without the training wheels ;) | 17:32 |
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| dockside | i got a some huge sun servers that im gonna run some heavy ai stuff on, hoping i can do it all in qt :) | 17:33 |
| slaine | no reason why not | 17:33 |
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| dockside | good way of putting it | 17:34 |
| slaine | I just hope you have approval for using all those resources :) | 17:34 |
| dockside | i do | 17:34 |
| dockside | :) | 17:34 |
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| leinir | slaine: it has nothing to do with training wheels, and all to do with the framework being done so well you rarely need to worry about the nitty-gritty :) | 17:34 |
| slaine | seriously, that is great that it's so comprehensive. I'm doing some basic utility stuff to get back into the C++ frame of mind. C is my comfortzone, but once upon a time I was a c++ coder. So, once I've got my grove back on, i'll start exploring what the Qt frameworks offer me and hopefully figure out nice ways of utilizing them beyond a cross platform GUI toolkit | 17:36 |
| dockside | imo it is important to be good at c++ before you actually try to do something with it | 17:38 |
| dockside | or you will probably end up writing code that dont deletes the objects fully or is unextendable | 17:38 |
| burchr | that's how you learn | 17:39 |
| burchr | writing code, no matter what your ability, isn't the crucial issue, the important bit is that you can learn from your mistakes | 17:39 |
| dockside | "to actually try something" is not your own tests and small pieces of code you never show anyone or dont look at again | 17:39 |
| dockside | imho | 17:40 |
| slaine | thank god for keeping regular backups | 17:40 |
| dockside | crash? :( | 17:40 |
| thiago | dockside: SPARC should work fine. | 17:40 |
| thiago | dockside: we have two nice machines in the office | 17:40 |
| thiago | dockside: it's just pthread, like slaine said | 17:41 |
| slaine | I've got some sample noodling about c++ code going back 10 years and some production c++ code going back to the mid 90's | 17:41 |
| leinir | dockside: Not entirely true... if you just make sure to use QSharedPointer, QScopedPointer, and in general the QObject object hierarchy, you're pretty safe, really :) | 17:41 |
| slaine | God, its really been that long since I did "proper" c++ work | 17:41 |
| thiago | dockside: with the added benefit that the pthread_mutex_t isn't used unless there's an actual contention | 17:41 |
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| leinir | slaine: Never look at your personal history, you'll only end up feeling old before your time ;) | 17:42 |
| dockside | sounds nice :) | 17:43 |
| slaine | lol | 17:43 |
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| sroedal | dockside: QtConcurrent is probably going to be the most convenient way of doing stuff | 17:46 |
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| Gemmazz | http://imgnow.info/DSC-1268236558.jpg does my ass look big? | 17:55 |
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| th0br0 | that was some weird spam. | 17:56 |
| lcuk | seems to have a high reaction rate tho, been going round the entire network (and variaitons thereof) | 17:57 |
| lcuk | so in tech channels people are automatically clicking on tits n ass pictures | 17:57 |
| th0br0 | ^^ | 17:57 |
| tybollt | lcuk: Because we're all zitted nerds w/ greasy hair livin in moms basement at 44yold? | 17:58 |
| th0br0 | ^^ | 17:59 |
| lcuk | speak for yourself old man :p | 17:59 |
| lcuk | the rest is right, but im still 35 :D | 17:59 |
| tybollt | :D | 17:59 |
| * lcuk actually lives with his own family | 17:59 | |
| lcuk | and doesnt have zits or greasy hair :p | 17:59 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, o_0 , you look younger :) | 18:01 |
| dockside | yeah i dont even have any hair to be greasy | 18:01 |
| lcuk | lol | 18:02 |
| lcuk | VDVsx, i only just turned 35 | 18:02 |
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| lcuk | i know i still look 34 | 18:02 |
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| VDVsx | lol | 18:02 |
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| slaine | cool, I don't feel old anymore, thanks lcuk :) | 18:03 |
| lcuk | but yes, beneath this handsome youthful exterior lies an old fart | 18:03 |
| Blice_ | Anyone here know how to time sections of a function in the kernel? I understand which functions are taking the most time with Arjan's bootgraph.pl, but I would like to break it down further for those functions. | 18:04 |
| Blice_ | any ideas? | 18:04 |
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| tybollt | vdvsx: At 30y of age I still got carded when buying beers at the supermarket here in .se ;) | 18:04 |
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| tybollt | that's when you know you look like a kid ;) | 18:04 |
| th0br0 | tybollt: :P | 18:05 |
| th0br0 | what is the age for drinking in .se? | 18:05 |
| slaine | at 30y, that's nothing to be proud of ;) | 18:05 |
| tybollt | th0br0: 18 ;) | 18:05 |
| VDVsx | tybollt, people from Scandinavia look always young :D, seems that don't age | 18:05 |
| th0br0 | aww | 18:05 |
| tybollt | slaine: it certainly is a bit awekward yes ;) | 18:05 |
| dockside | atleast some | 18:05 |
| tybollt | awkward | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | i would probably be perceived as 18 or something if i didn't have my beard. | 18:06 |
| dockside | my younger brother | 18:06 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, you lie! | 18:06 |
| dockside | managed to buy beer at "systembolaget" at 17 a couple of years ago | 18:06 |
| * lcuk gets photoshop out to see | 18:06 | |
| VDVsx | lol | 18:06 |
| tybollt | dockside: ;) | 18:06 |
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| burchr | I always get people thinking I'm older than I am | 18:07 |
| burchr | it sucks | 18:07 |
| lcuk | if we add a beard to VDVsx he might finally be allowed to buy cola bottles from the local shop | 18:07 |
| slaine | I've been sick for the last few days. I'm in bed with my laptop. I looked in the mirror and I now look like a crazy grizzly Adams type character. | 18:07 |
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| burchr | "how old are you? 26?" | 18:07 |
| lcuk | they normally wont let him have so much sugar without his mommy | 18:07 |
| burchr | no you bastards I'm 22 | 18:07 |
| tybollt | :-D | 18:07 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, but I only have thirteen, I know that :D | 18:07 |
| lcuk | heh | 18:07 |
| VDVsx | s/i/you | 18:07 |
| th0br0 | slaine: have a fast recovery then :) | 18:08 |
| slaine | Cheers | 18:08 |
| slaine | I'm awake and functioning. doing a bit work too as I was bored silly | 18:08 |
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| slaine | However, I'm knackered again and I have to go to the office tomorrow, so I'm going to finish up early today | 18:09 |
| slaine | Catch you crazy kids tomorrow | 18:09 |
| dockside | no,u | 18:09 |
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| dockside | how old is slaine? | 18:10 |
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| dneary | Hi | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | lo dneary | 18:42 |
| florian | hi dneary | 18:42 |
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| mIRC_Victim | hi all | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | wello | 20:12 |
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| RST38h | http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=1716385 | 21:55 |
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| CosmoHill | wait, ARM is british? | 21:57 |
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| RST38h | is that news to you? | 21:57 |
| CosmoHill | kinda | 21:57 |
| CosmoHill | I remember Acorn computers | 21:58 |
| CosmoHill | i used one when i was very little | 21:58 |
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| Viper550 | Hey | 22:12 |
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| CosmoHill | hey | 22:17 |
| Viper550 | I think FluxBB should be an option for the meego forum | 22:19 |
| CosmoHill | i think they are going for vbulleting | 22:20 |
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| Viper550 | vbulletin 4 is trash | 22:20 |
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| Viper550 | phpbb 3 is ... too much | 22:21 |
| jebba | never heard of it. If you like it, do a writeup about it and add it to the wiki page. | 22:22 |
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| Viper550 | okay, its a fork of punbb 1.2 | 22:23 |
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| CosmoHill | do any of you guys know of a ARM or MIPS desktop? | 22:25 |
| thiago | we threw away a couple of MIPS-based IRIX machines, that ran X11 | 22:25 |
| CosmoHill | decent specs? | 22:26 |
| RST38h | Barbarians | 22:26 |
| CosmoHill | if you say yes i may growel | 22:26 |
| thiago | yeah, for 10 years ago | 22:26 |
| RST38h | Those were antiques! | 22:26 |
| thiago | the machines were the oldest and slowest in the farm before we threw them away | 22:26 |
| thiago | then the next one was an old POWER5 we also decomissioned | 22:26 |
| thiago | the slowest is now a new POWER5 | 22:27 |
| CosmoHill | ooo, power5 | 22:28 |
| jmc93739653 | thiago: If you have the ability to talk about it, which is the fastest of your institution's POWER rigs? | 22:28 |
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| dockside | how many cores | 22:31 |
| dockside | ? | 22:31 |
| thiago | I think it's a dual-core POWER5 | 22:33 |
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| dockside | i think all are :) | 22:35 |
| jebba | I still have some IRIX/MIPS box, but they don't run linux afaikk | 22:35 |
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| niko_nikolai | any news about meego sdk? | 22:37 |
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| lupine_85 | don't suppose there's any word on IPv6 + meego? | 22:49 |
| lupine_85 | included by default, not included? | 22:50 |
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| CosmoHill | i think it should be included by default | 22:50 |
| lupine_85 | it's really the thing that was most glaringly missing in maemo | 22:51 |
| lupine_85 | hopefully, including mobile ipv6 extensions ;) | 22:51 |
| lupine_85 | 'though that might be a stretch | 22:52 |
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