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| CosmoHill | who's learning C++? | 00:59 |
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| CosmoHill | name begins with D i think | 00:59 |
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| Beaver | www.search2.net (new search engine) | 01:01 |
| CosmoHill | die bitch | 01:01 |
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| CosmoHill | http://black-flag.co.uk/wordpress/2010/03/08/a-simple-cpp-program/ | 01:05 |
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| LinuxCode | [23:01] <CosmoHill> die bitch | 01:11 |
| LinuxCode | it was made to die | 01:11 |
| CosmoHill | does that mean my statement is correct? | 01:11 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 01:11 |
| LinuxCode | I guess | 01:11 |
| CosmoHill | ^.^ | 01:11 |
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| CosmoHill | what do you guys think about it btw? | 01:14 |
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| MisterN | CosmoHill: the name of the language is c++. not cpp and not cxx. | 01:15 |
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| AstralStorm | MisterN: actually, the name is C Plus Plus :) | 01:17 |
| MisterN | no | 01:17 |
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| CosmoHill | the file extention is .cpp .c++ or .cxx | 01:18 |
| AstralStorm | CosmoHill: or .C in case sensitive filesystems | 01:18 |
| MisterN | CosmoHill: or .cc or .C or... | 01:18 |
| AstralStorm | yeah, .cc | 01:18 |
| AstralStorm | forgot about that one | 01:18 |
| CosmoHill | stop confusing me | 01:18 |
| MisterN | CosmoHill: the file extension is not what defines the language name. | 01:18 |
| AstralStorm | I've yet to see .c++ in any real use | 01:18 |
| MisterN | the name of c++ is c++, nothing else. | 01:19 |
| AstralStorm | C++. capital C | 01:19 |
| AstralStorm | ;p | 01:19 |
| MisterN | haha yeah :P | 01:19 |
| VLJ | cpp is for c pre processor actually | 01:19 |
| VLJ | and cxx is for c++ | 01:19 |
| AstralStorm | fail. | 01:19 |
| MisterN | VLJ: .cpp is not for c preprocessor | 01:19 |
| thiago | the C preprocessor is .i | 01:19 |
| VLJ | (x is + with a slight rotation) | 01:19 |
| AstralStorm | VLJ: c++ is the app name | 01:19 |
| MisterN | p is for + because some file systems don't support + | 01:20 |
| AstralStorm | not cxx | 01:20 |
| MisterN | AstralStorm: "app name"? | 01:20 |
| VLJ | so what is cxx for ? | 01:20 |
| thiago | the C preprocessor's executable is cpp | 01:20 |
| AstralStorm | if we're talking Unix-style at least | 01:20 |
| AstralStorm | preprocessor's, yeah | 01:20 |
| thiago | the C++ executable is c++ or CC | 01:20 |
| VLJ | yep | 01:20 |
| thiago | or cxx | 01:20 |
| AstralStorm | usually c++ or cc | 01:20 |
| MisterN | VLJ: cxx is also a work-around | 01:20 |
| thiago | cc is the C compiler | 01:20 |
| AstralStorm | cxx I've yet to see, again :) | 01:20 |
| thiago | CC is the C++ compiler | 01:20 |
| AstralStorm | ayup | 01:20 |
| VLJ | ccplus too | 01:21 |
| AstralStorm | but again, no compiler I've seen uses those | 01:21 |
| VLJ | cmake | 01:21 |
| AstralStorm | cc1plus | 01:21 |
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| MisterN | some compilers are named cl | 01:21 |
| * thiago has seen cc and CC | 01:21 | |
| MisterN | and cmake is no compiler | 01:21 |
| AstralStorm | but that's libtool name | 01:21 |
| thiago | MisterN: yes, and those compilers are usually from Microsoft | 01:21 |
| AstralStorm | not executable name | 01:21 |
| VLJ | in fact for cmake cpp is for pre processor, cxx is for c++ | 01:21 |
| VLJ | in macro name | 01:21 |
| AstralStorm | VLJ: cxx does. not. exist. in M$VC, ICC, GCC or Solaris compiler | 01:21 |
| MisterN | VLJ: no, cmake recognises .cpp as the file extension for c++ | 01:21 |
| AstralStorm | so? | 01:21 |
| AstralStorm | VLJ: so, which system has a compiler that's called with cxx? | 01:22 |
| VLJ | yep but if you does use CPP_FLAGS it wont pass these flags to g++ | 01:22 |
| VLJ | you need CXX_FLAGS | 01:22 |
| thiago | CXXFLAGS are the C++ compiler flags, CPPFLAGS are the preprocessor flags, but no one uses that | 01:22 |
| AstralStorm | that's cmake-specific | 01:22 |
| thiago | usually it's just CFLAGS and DEFINES | 01:23 |
| AstralStorm | CPPFLAGS are used for includes | 01:23 |
| AstralStorm | and library paths | 01:23 |
| AstralStorm | (the latter more rarely) | 01:23 |
| thiago | library paths are LFLAGS | 01:23 |
| AstralStorm | LDFLAGS. | 01:23 |
| MisterN | quirks :) | 01:23 |
| AstralStorm | yeah, that's more often used for them | 01:23 |
| AstralStorm | unless you like to use the compiler for linking | 01:23 |
| AstralStorm | which is supposed to work too | 01:23 |
| thiago | you never invoke the linker directly, except in the Microsoft world | 01:24 |
| MisterN | most compilers do not do linking | 01:24 |
| thiago | you always use the compiler front-end for launching the linking | 01:24 |
| AstralStorm | thiago: wrong. you can and even should | 01:24 |
| AstralStorm | but you don't have to :) | 01:24 |
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| MisterN | thiago: gcc is more than a compiler ;) | 01:24 |
| AstralStorm | anyway, nobody cares | 01:24 |
| thiago | AstralStorm: so you're supposed to know where the C, C++ libs and runtimes are? | 01:24 |
| AstralStorm | MisterN: no, it's c++ standard | 01:24 |
| thiago | AstralStorm: what's the difference between crt1.o and crti.o? | 01:24 |
| MisterN | AstralStorm: ? | 01:24 |
| AstralStorm | thiago: no, linker is smart enough | 01:25 |
| AstralStorm | giving it object files and proper flags is enough | 01:25 |
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| thiago | I don't think it is | 01:25 |
| AstralStorm | of course it is | 01:25 |
| thiago | how is the linker going to find crt1.o if I don't tell it where it is? | 01:25 |
| AstralStorm | because you don't have to :) | 01:25 |
| AstralStorm | it's POSIX to be /lib/crt1.o | 01:25 |
| twoboxen | LD_LIBRARY_PATH | 01:25 |
| AstralStorm | but of course that's why nobody sane uses ld directly | 01:26 |
| thiago | $ ld -o a.out main.o | 01:26 |
| thiago | ld: warning: cannot find entry symbol _start; defaulting to 0000000008048074 | 01:26 |
| AstralStorm | they either use libtool or autotools | 01:26 |
| AstralStorm | thiago: ... I told you don't have to FIND the file | 01:26 |
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| AstralStorm | because it's mandated by POSIX to be in the specific place | 01:26 |
| AstralStorm | :) | 01:26 |
| thiago | $ ld -o a.out main.o /lib/crt1.o | 01:26 |
| thiago | ld: /lib/crt1.o: No such file: No such file or directory | 01:26 |
| AstralStorm | crt0.o actually | 01:27 |
| thiago | $ locate crt0.o | wc -l | 01:27 |
| thiago | 0 | 01:27 |
| AstralStorm | oh, your system hates you for being too anal ;) | 01:27 |
| AstralStorm | POSIX.1 is dead, POSIX.2001 lives | 01:27 |
| thiago | actually, 2008 lives | 01:27 |
| AstralStorm | yeah | 01:27 |
| AstralStorm | anyway | 01:27 |
| AstralStorm | not playing with ld is fine | 01:28 |
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| AstralStorm | (I bet it's in /usr/lib) | 01:28 |
| thiago | it is | 01:28 |
| thiago | but it's also not enough | 01:28 |
| AstralStorm | heh | 01:28 |
| AstralStorm | so, let's leave ld alone and use libtool? | 01:28 |
| AstralStorm | or compiler directly in good old makefiles | 01:29 |
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| thiago | you know libtool also runs gcc/g++, right? | 01:29 |
| AstralStorm | not in link mode | 01:29 |
| thiago | will I have to go prove it to you? | 01:29 |
| AstralStorm | no. it *can* run gcc/g++ | 01:29 |
| thiago | let's do it the other way around now. Please show me libtool running directly, not via gcc/g++. | 01:30 |
| AstralStorm | linker:/usr/bin/ld -m elf_x86_64 (gnu? yes) | 01:30 |
| AstralStorm | guess why it wants that :) | 01:30 |
| AstralStorm | it uses the linker indeed | 01:30 |
| AstralStorm | huh? | 01:30 |
| AstralStorm | libtool --mode=link <foo.object.files> link whatever | 01:30 |
| AstralStorm | I forgot how libtool works temporarily | 01:31 |
| * thiago should stop wasting his time | 01:31 | |
| AstralStorm | or libtool link (if you hate --mode) | 01:31 |
| thiago | I actually hate libtool | 01:32 |
| AstralStorm | not just you | 01:32 |
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| CosmoHill | so what did you guys thing of that guide? | 01:49 |
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| AstralStorm | horrible, that guide | 02:28 |
| AstralStorm | "mutators", first ever | 02:28 |
| AstralStorm | it's called an accessor too | 02:28 |
| AstralStorm | and bad reasons for accessors | 02:29 |
| AstralStorm | if you want to do a guide to object orientation, do mention encapsulation and what it's for (also, when it's useful and why properties are fun - offered by boost for example) | 02:29 |
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| Stskeeps | on meego-dev or -community, can't recall | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | ah, -community | 09:34 |
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| X-Fade | lcuk: Split windows in a terminal for me. | 10:12 |
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| Karlosos | any new news about meego someone could tell me | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | no, but i have a beer if you want one :) | 16:40 |
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| Karlosos | yeah go on need to get drunk lol | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | we're all waiting for day one | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | so, what do you hope to contribute with? | 16:43 |
| alden | i like beer | 16:43 |
| th0br0 | Karlosos: source code is supposed to be released until the end of this month in case you didn't know yet. | 16:44 |
| th0br0 | there was some official blogpost | 16:44 |
| Karlosos | i need to first figure out how to make apps cause would be fun | 16:45 |
| th0br0 | Karlosos: learn Qt then | 16:45 |
| th0br0 | and heya Stskeeps :P | 16:45 |
| Karlosos | been advised to wait a couple of months till bugs are sorted | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | Karlosos: qt creator is good to start with :) | 16:46 |
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| Karlosos | can you use that program on pc cause would be easier | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | google for qt creator :) | 16:47 |
| Karlosos | will do cheers | 16:47 |
| Karlosos | how about a touch screen lightening bolt would that be possible | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | as in lightening coming out of your touchscreen? | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | (sp) | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | well, you start with a balloon and start rubbing it against your hair | 16:49 |
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| Karlosos | lol | 16:49 |
| th0br0 | :P Stskeeps | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | then you turn off the lights and make sure your lcd backlight is not on | 16:50 |
| Karlosos | well was thinking wherever you touched a bolt came from there with thuder sounds | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | then slowly approach your finger towards your n900, ideally the metal parts, and you should be able to see lightning coming from it. it's that powerful device. | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:50 |
| Karlosos | true ha ha | 16:51 |
| th0br0 | :D | 16:51 |
| Karlosos | this phone is great others are too thin and would be scared to break it | 16:51 |
| Karlosos | plus there is still way too much to learn | 16:52 |
| Karlosos | does anyone know why i cant chat in #maemo | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | you need to register your nickname | 16:53 |
| Karlosos | where do i do that | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | /nickserv help | 16:54 |
| Karlosos | is that under server | 16:54 |
| Karlosos | or in browser | 16:55 |
| alden | someone should mentor for developing qt apps for meego .. perhaps under google soc | 16:55 |
| alden | or maybe not | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | problem is that meego isn't a good gsoc target.. | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | qt apps for maemo might work though | 16:56 |
| alden | why isnt meego a good gsoc project? | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | well, it is hardly established yet | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | maemo is probably a better one | 16:57 |
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| th0br0 | in the end, porting qt aps from maemo to meego should be on the fly anyway | 17:23 |
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| GAN900 | Oh christ, stupid mailing list threads. | 19:54 |
| leinir | Which one this time? :) | 19:55 |
| GAN900 | The wild wild west one. | 19:55 |
| leinir | Ah :) | 19:56 |
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| GAN900 | I don't get why people insist on top-posting when they know better, however. | 19:58 |
| GAN900 | Quoting isn't hard, don't be an ass by insisting on doing it incorrectly. | 19:59 |
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| * cyberkonsult wonders how this MeeGo thingie is funded/adminitstraded.. | 20:14 | |
| * cyberkonsult corrects himself s/adminitstraded/administraded | 20:15 | |
| th0br0 | cyberkonsult: i guess by intel + nokia + (maybe?) the linux foundation | 20:16 |
| cyberkonsult | th0br0: Yeah... I was wondering about the servers/forum software at meego, are the admins payed by some fondation or are they doing it on their spare time for free? | 20:18 |
| VDVsx | afaik, the current admins are Intel employees | 20:19 |
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| cyberkonsult | k, I was thinking about the thread at meego-community ML regarding the forum software (vB is not open source), got the impression that the forums war run by ppl on their free time.. | 20:22 |
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| cyberkonsult | s/forums war/forums was/ | 20:23 |
| infobot | cyberkonsult meant: k, I was thinking about the thread at meego-community ML regarding the forum software (vB is not open source), got the impression that the forums was run by ppl on their free time.. | 20:23 |
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| th0br0 | well, IMHO vB is kinda the best forum software out there right now... | 20:25 |
| VDVsx | cyberkonsult, maemo.org forums are run by a person that is sponsored by nokia, but the forum already existed before Nokia sponsor it | 20:26 |
| VDVsx | that one is vB | 20:26 |
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| cyberkonsult | Ahh... So it's not someone who is employed by Nokia then.. kind of seems strange to me?? | 20:27 |
| VDVsx | not employed, sponsored | 20:28 |
| VDVsx | :) | 20:28 |
| VDVsx | oh, as what you said :D | 20:28 |
| VDVsx | *was | 20:28 |
| cyberkonsult | Well, I for one would like MeeGo to be a success, and I would like to see Nokia and Intel to show commitment and start writing some checks..... | 20:30 |
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| VDVsx | cyberkonsult, maemo.org has a team of persons sponsored by Nokia to work for the community, the community is responsible to give them tasks and hire them | 20:30 |
| VDVsx | dunno if will be similar team in meego | 20:30 |
| VDVsx | more info here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_team | 20:31 |
| cyberkonsult | VDVsx: great!! Thanks! | 20:31 |
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| GAN900 | Gotta love people who don't want to contribute to the original discussion but then put their 2 cents after the decision has been made. | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | like rpm vs deb? | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:04 |
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| Stskeeps | wb DawnFoster | 21:05 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, except they choose not to attend an announced public meeting on this topic | 21:06 |
| GAN900 | stop motion, baby, it's all the rage! | 21:06 |
| DawnFoster | Hi Stskeeps | 21:06 |
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| X-Fade | GAN900: Stop energy? | 21:07 |
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| cyberkonsult | Whats up with talk.maemo.org .. down?? | 22:21 |
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| scr4ve | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/talk.maemo.org @ cyberkonsult | 22:22 |
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| cyberkonsult | scr4ve: Thanks... weird... my icmp:s behaving weird, cant traceroute.. maybe my ISP is doing funky stuff. | 22:41 |
| scr4ve | yw... btw are there any anouncements out for java on meego? | 22:42 |
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| billyn900 | hello | 22:56 |
| billyn900 | anybody here | 22:56 |
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| red | is there any image i could test on my netbook? | 23:54 |
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| red | juts downloading moblin to take a peek how it works, and running maemo on my n900 ofc | 23:54 |
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| wiretapped | It is official; Netcraft confirms: MeeGo is dying | 23:58 |
| lcuk | no wiretapped, meego has just started | 23:58 |
| wiretapped | oh, my bad | 23:58 |
| lcuk | its a small ember at the base of a fire | 23:58 |
| lcuk | and lots of skilled firestarters are gently coaxing it to life | 23:59 |
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