| dotblank | Right.. Maybe the intel side of things | 00:00 |
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| lcuk | right | 00:00 |
| lcuk | so will the OS be compatible enough with mainstream linux to allow mainstream linux apps to run | 00:00 |
| dotblank | Is wine available on moblin? | 00:00 |
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| dotblank | http://moblin.cnr.com/products/overview/wine | 00:01 |
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| lcuk | cool | 00:02 |
| dotblank | Maemo seems compatible enough to run most mainstream linux software. There are a ton of ported apps | 00:03 |
| lcuk | yeah but the low resolution prevents the ui from working seemlessly usually and because those fat apps dont expect low cpu they run poorly | 00:03 |
| lcuk | or rather, not optimally | 00:04 |
| lcuk | and as you pointed out, wine wouldnt run on arm | 00:04 |
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| * CosmoHill needs to program a text based game | 00:09 | |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, isnt irc a text based game? | 00:10 |
| lcuk | meego is just the next level we unlocked | 00:10 |
| CosmoHill | it needs an edit undo button | 00:11 |
| CosmoHill | (especially with some of the stuff I say) | 00:11 |
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| lcuk | nahhh, but respawn points would be handy sometimes | 00:11 |
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| CosmoHill | once i know how /where to start I'l be fine | 00:22 |
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| CosmoHill | quick question, on a nokia how do i turn on predictive text? | 00:38 |
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| CosmoHill | nokia's running meego will come with ovi maps right? | 01:06 |
| dockside | so is this place a for random questions or is it somehow dev related? | 01:09 |
| CosmoHill | random i think | 01:10 |
| CosmoHill | i thought google maps for mobile was like ovi maps | 01:11 |
| thiago_home | CosmoHill: yes, that's right | 01:12 |
| thiago_home | Nokia devices will come with Ovi Maps | 01:12 |
| CosmoHill | i was thinking non-nokia meego devices could use google maps | 01:12 |
| ShadowJK | Whether MeeGo for N900 will be "productized" by Nokia or not, is another question :) | 01:12 |
| dockside | does that matter? | 01:13 |
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| ShadowJK | Only for people who want to run the proprietary nokia stuff. Offtopic for #meego, I know. | 01:15 |
| arachnist | well, graphics drivers and gps might be quite important for some people | 01:15 |
| VDVsx | OT: looking for project ideas for summer of code '10, feel free to add some here: http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2010/Project_ideas#Ideas_List ;) | 01:16 |
| dockside | ah, what kind of stuff is that? the proprietary stuff | 01:16 |
| VDVsx | we need mentors as well, Pm me for more info :) | 01:16 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: finally, a simple working media player for Maemo5 | 01:16 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: Barcode reader + google (froogle?) app that can be used by mere mortals | 01:17 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, vlc port ? :D | 01:17 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: Any augmented reality shit | 01:17 |
| VDVsx | QMplayer :D | 01:17 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: Well someone has to do it, properly, until then it is not | 01:17 |
| * VDVsx doesn't know the state of VLC on maemo | 01:18 | |
| dockside | how does the GSoC work? | 01:18 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: A 3D game, possibly space simulator (candidates: Elite, Oolite, that gl-based game pupnik dug out, etc) | 01:18 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: Working version of Maemo Mapper (current one still sucks, alas) | 01:19 |
| arachnist | dalvik port to maemo? | 01:19 |
| RST38h | arachnist: who needs it? | 01:19 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, write these in the wiki, you lazy :D | 01:20 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: I lazy | 01:20 |
| VDVsx | dockside, http://code.google.com/soc/ | 01:20 |
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| VDVsx | RST38h, anyway, that helped, need to investigate a few things | 01:21 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: actually, yes, embedded Android inside Maemo5 (also usable by mere mortals, deb, desktop icon, and all) | 01:21 |
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| RST38h | VDVsx: Working Google Widgets inside Maemo5 (project has been started but not finished) | 01:22 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, humm, I think that would be too easy now :) | 01:23 |
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| CosmoHill | ffs | 01:34 |
| CosmoHill | damn thing | 01:34 |
| alden | VDVsx: some nice ideas here :) | 01:35 |
| dockside | GSoC seems way more nice than how i remember it from the first time i heard about it | 01:35 |
| VDVsx | dockside, I participated as a Student and also as a mentor, both were great experiences | 01:36 |
| VDVsx | :) | 01:36 |
| dockside | i bet, going to register as a student this year | 01:36 |
| alden | me too | 01:43 |
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| CosmoHill | night night | 04:31 |
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| dgdfgsdf | whats "CTCP VERSION" | 07:15 |
| dgdfgsdf | ? | 07:15 |
| dgdfgsdf | hello!?! | 07:16 |
| daumas | hello there | 07:17 |
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| szbalint | hello. | 07:22 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 07:22 |
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| qgil | hi there | 07:28 |
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| daumas | qgil: from your mailing list post, it seems that a MeeGo-website list needs to be created and a website team to be made. this could be the first tangible team since changes to the site could be made effective immediately as every other project is still in a holding pattern | 07:57 |
| Jaffa | daumas: meego-community has been created for that purpose. | 07:58 |
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| daumas | jaffa: that's a very loose definition of that list then. | 08:00 |
| qgil | daumas: I'm actually waiting for the forum... | 08:01 |
| qgil | with mailing lists and any online channel, in principle I'm more for using whatever exists until the is a proof that the current channel is too tight and a new one is needed | 08:01 |
| Jaffa | daumas: Over fragmentation when stuff is low-volume is counter-productive IME | 08:02 |
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| aspirefhaha | help | 10:06 |
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| aspirefhaha | no topic? | 10:28 |
| andre__ | I can see it. | 10:29 |
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| qgil | "Orange adds 200,000 widgets to its platform" | 11:19 |
| qgil | http://www.rethink-wireless.com/2010/03/05/orange-adds-200000-widgets-mass-market-software-platform.htm | 11:20 |
| qgil | I wonder what this means from a technical point of view | 11:20 |
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| qgil | it's all Javascript apparently, so... | 11:20 |
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| zaheer__ | qgil, that is crazy! | 11:48 |
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| qgil | zaheerm: probably ;) | 11:59 |
| zaheerm | qgil, i'm sure a few of the 200,000 would be doing useful stuff however ;) | 12:00 |
| qgil | but this is a crazy world, so this is why I'm wondering | 12:00 |
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| firegnu | where is mutter-moblin&&mx in http://git.moblin.org/? they are gone...... | 15:51 |
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| th0br0 | heya | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | lo th0br0 | 18:17 |
| th0br0 | haya Stskeeps | 18:17 |
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| CosmoHill | will meego require ssse3 optimisation? | 18:21 |
| th0br0 | require? unlikely. | 18:21 |
| th0br0 | i don't think arm supports ssse3 | 18:21 |
| CosmoHill | i was thinking ssse3 for x86 / x86_64 | 18:22 |
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| CosmoHill | I don't really know anything about ARM but I'd imagine it has it's own optimisations | 18:22 |
| koupsa | hell oCosmoHill, if meego is like moblin, yes | 18:22 |
| koupsa | if not i get a debian............ | 18:23 |
| CosmoHill | hehe | 18:23 |
| CosmoHill | if i understand it i think meego 1 will be moblin 2.2 core with meanmo 6 UI | 18:23 |
| koupsa | i hope so | 18:23 |
| koupsa | wait and see... | 18:23 |
| CosmoHill | if there is a version without SSSE3 requirments it could be used on older desktops / laptop computers | 18:24 |
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| koupsa | moblinSuse or ubuntu | 18:24 |
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| CosmoHill | i tried ubuntu mobin, it didn't go well | 18:25 |
| koupsa | :/ too slow at boot ... i know | 18:25 |
| CosmoHill | doesn't help that i have nvidia | 18:26 |
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| koupsa | arf ok .. | 18:26 |
| CosmoHill | i wonder, is it possible to grab all the src.rpm files and recompile them for something else | 18:27 |
| CosmoHill | say instead of ssse3 you compile for a intel P3 | 18:27 |
| CosmoHill | or i686 | 18:27 |
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| CosmoHill | i need to have a go at LFS 6.6 at some point | 18:31 |
| Votan | will meego's calendar finally be able to sync with google calendar ? | 18:31 |
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| CosmoHill | i think i've just found the old ubunutu font | 18:42 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, it works even better because older laptops have lower res screens | 18:48 |
| CosmoHill | Meego, great for netbooks, even better on craptops | 18:48 |
| lcuk | it will be if a build for pentium m based chipsets is done | 18:49 |
| lcuk | otherwise those same devices will just be continuing with ubuntu | 18:49 |
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| CosmoHill | i was thinking maybe meego ppc | 18:52 |
| CosmoHill | oh that's right, i have a mouse plugged into my laptop | 18:58 |
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| CosmoHill | for me, moving to nokia is like moving to vim | 19:22 |
| CosmoHill | first few hours are spent swearing at it until you figure out how to use it | 19:22 |
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| Gizmokid2005 | CosmoHill: haha, it was that way for me when I first got my E71...then you love it :) | 19:24 |
| CosmoHill | I've always been an SE man myself | 19:25 |
| CosmoHill | only phone I know where you throw it at a wall and the wall is worse off | 19:25 |
| CosmoHill | I'm getting used to mine | 19:26 |
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| CosmoHill | not sure if I'll stick with it or go back to my k800i | 19:26 |
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| Gizmokid2005 | I really love my N900 | 19:27 |
| Gizmokid2005 | especially the older it gets, the more features are added/fixed | 19:27 |
| CosmoHill | i have a 6220c | 19:27 |
| Gizmokid2005 | though, i still VERY much miss my MMS :( | 19:27 |
| thresh | fMMS, no? | 19:28 |
| CosmoHill | i never use it so I'm good | 19:28 |
| CosmoHill | I text and make the odd phone call | 19:28 |
| CosmoHill | oh btw i have lectures tomorrow, how do I put a nokia on silent? | 19:29 |
| CosmoHill | only reason I got this phone was cos dad dropped it in water | 19:30 |
| Gizmokid2005 | thresh: it's a long drawn out process that I have yet to get to work... | 19:30 |
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| jsa_ | cosmohill: long press # | 19:49 |
| CosmoHill | thanks | 19:50 |
| CosmoHill | cos if that goes off in lession I probably won't notice it's mine | 19:50 |
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| benbrown | hi | 20:23 |
| benbrown | has anyone used hildon_gtk_window_set_progress_indicator? | 20:24 |
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| Blice | Any code yet? | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | nop, but i have beer | 21:00 |
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| VDVsx | I want one :D | 21:01 |
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| auke | two, I want two | 21:03 |
| * Stskeeps passes around beers | 21:03 | |
| arachnist | beer... | 21:04 |
| arachnist | nope, that's not a good idea. i need to get to work tommorow | 21:04 |
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| benbrown | anyone in #maemo too? | 21:26 |
| benbrown | I can't send any messages in there for some reason | 21:26 |
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| GAN900 | benbrown, /msg nickserv register (passsword) (email) | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | (why do we still have that setting btw?) | 21:40 |
| sheepbat | antispam? | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | well, yes, but it doesn't help matters either :P | 21:47 |
| sheepbat | true | 21:50 |
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| CosmoHill | in 2 hours and 10 mins my server will have been online for 100 days :) | 21:58 |
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| GAN900 | Stskeeps, there was another round last night, I think. | 22:14 |
| ScriptRipper | Stskeeps: i dont know why i did get a beer, but i will drink it, sure | 22:19 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 22:19 |
| ScriptRipper | I wanted to say: Hi Stskeeps, cheers | 22:20 |
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| CosmoHill | i read something interesting today, power and RAM comsuption of desktop enviroments | 22:29 |
| th0br0 | link us up to it | 22:29 |
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| VLJ | hi | 22:30 |
| CosmoHill | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_desktop_vitals&num=1 | 22:30 |
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| VLJ | still no new of meego image availability ? | 22:30 |
| CosmoHill | i think it's expected in Q2 or Q3 | 22:31 |
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| VLJ | ok | 22:31 |
| RST38h | CosmoHill: Nothing surprising there | 22:31 |
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| VLJ | still no nvidia enabled moblin image ? :s | 22:31 |
| CosmoHill | nope | 22:32 |
| CosmoHill | there will never be nvidia on moblin | 22:32 |
| CosmoHill | there might be nvidia on meego tho.... | 22:32 |
| VLJ | and no poulsbo for moblin ? :/ | 22:33 |
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| CosmoHill | poulsbo? | 22:39 |
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| VLJ | gma 500 | 22:39 |
| VLJ | one of the main intel gpu embedded in netbook | 22:40 |
| VLJ | there is virtually no driver on linux for it :/ | 22:40 |
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| VLJ | (and windows drivers sucks too) | 22:42 |
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| CosmoHill | IPv6? :o | 22:49 |
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| VLJ | ipv6 ? | 22:51 |
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| VLJ | a few ISP have switched to ipv6 already | 22:52 |
| VLJ | but not enough ISP :/ | 22:52 |
| CosmoHill | ours haven't :( | 22:52 |
| CosmoHill | my ISP told me to upgrade from router v3 to v5 | 22:52 |
| CosmoHill | like i should upgrade from a BMW 3 series to a 5 series | 22:53 |
| thiago_home | IPv6 exhausts by the end of next year | 22:53 |
| CosmoHill | ? | 22:53 |
| thiago_home | Mobile operators are requiring manufacturers to support it | 22:53 |
| VLJ | ipv4 you mean | 22:53 |
| thiago_home | I mean, IPv4 exhausts | 22:53 |
| thiago_home | yes | 22:53 |
| thresh | mo, we need ipv12 already | 22:53 |
| thresh | mo>no | 22:53 |
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| * thiago_home is in a couple of panels inside Nokia discussing IPv6 | 22:56 | |
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| thiago_home | they don't understand that Qt has been ready since 2005... | 22:56 |
| CosmoHill | i think most mobile operators use a proxy | 22:56 |
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| awhanbiz | hi | 22:57 |
| thiago_home | most operators still give you public IPs | 22:57 |
| thiago_home | the question they're facing is: what will they do when they don't have IPs to assign anymore? | 22:57 |
| CosmoHill | mine are 10.x.x.x | 22:57 |
| Stskeeps | blame the iphones users, obviously | 22:57 |
| Stskeeps | + & | 22:58 |
| * thiago_home always gets public IPs on the gprs0 interface on his N900 | 22:58 | |
| CosmoHill | i see no reason why a mobile phone would need a public ip address | 22:58 |
| thresh | i do | 22:58 |
| thresh | RTSP from external sources, for instance | 22:58 |
| thiago_home | I see no reason why they wouldn't give you an address | 22:58 |
| thiago_home | if they have it | 22:58 |
| CosmoHill | RTSP? | 22:58 |
| thresh | sip stuff, too. | 22:58 |
| thresh | everything that's not really NAT-ready | 22:58 |
| thiago_home | they're ISPs after all | 22:58 |
| awhanbiz | friends, i need advice | 22:58 |
| awhanbiz | i have offered job as in nokia as testing in meomo grp but i think it is merging with meego grp | 22:59 |
| thresh | and anyway, it's easier and cheapier to route than NAT :/ | 22:59 |
| thiago_home | awhanbiz: there's no MeeGo group inside Nokia. It's still called Maemo Devices. | 22:59 |
| awhanbiz | what do u think future of meomo/meego grp? | 22:59 |
| thiago_home | we have a couple more months until the next reorganisation | 22:59 |
| * thiago_home expects it by the end of this year | 22:59 | |
| thiago_home | hopefully it will grow and thrive :-) | 23:00 |
| awhanbiz | hopefully...hmm | 23:00 |
| awhanbiz | actually i m worried cause it doesn't have that many devices or maturity | 23:00 |
| thiago_home | what would you do? Symbian? | 23:01 |
| thiago_home | yes, it has only one device, so far. | 23:01 |
| awhanbiz | fresher--just out of college | 23:01 |
| thiago_home | I can't tell you the roadmap of upcoming devices. | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | awhanbiz: i think meomo and meego will join together to form the moomin group | 23:01 |
| awhanbiz | k | 23:01 |
| thiago_home | Stskeeps: now why didn't they pick that up as a brand? :-P | 23:01 |
| awhanbiz | think..so that means roadmap is still under consideration | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | thiago_home: it would make for awesome mascots | 23:02 |
| awhanbiz | agreed..hehe | 23:02 |
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| awhanbiz | anyway, so after merging--is their scope for growth career wise? | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | it's intel and nokia getting in bed together to form meego along with a lot of other company contributors, doesn't it sound like it? | 23:03 |
| awhanbiz | or will it more of patching job? | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:04 |
| awhanbiz | :) | 23:04 |
| awhanbiz | i hope bed is big enough | 23:05 |
| thiago_home | Stskeeps: I have a moomin in my office | 23:05 |
| thiago_home | along with a Konqi, a Norwegian troll and a fish | 23:05 |
| Stskeeps | i just collect maemo.org related tshirts :P | 23:06 |
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| thiago_home | Stskeeps: take a look at the hostnames that 87.238.50.178 through 182 resolve to :-) | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | hehe :) | 23:08 |
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| thiago_home | hufsa is www.qt.nokia.com and lillemy is labs.qt.nokia.com | 23:09 |
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| GAN900 | Stskeeps, you ever get an original one? | 23:16 |
| Stskeeps | i have two redshirts, a maemo.org from amsterdam and a FiF one :P | 23:17 |
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| thiago_home | be careful with redshirts | 23:17 |
| thiago_home | people wearing them always die in Star Trek | 23:17 |
| Stskeeps | yeah :P | 23:18 |
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| Stskeeps | which fits well to the Mer members wearing them ;) | 23:19 |
| lbt | <gulp> | 23:19 |
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| * lbt reconsiders wardrobe for thursda | 23:20 | |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 23:20 |
| Stskeeps | i'm saving my second red shirt for wednesday night :) | 23:20 |
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| lbt | right now I'm wondering why I get a BUG when I start icedove... | 23:21 |
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| paxl | Can somone try to help me with configuring moblin? | 23:34 |
| auke | whatcha need configured? | 23:35 |
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| paxl | I want to make an auto install of moblin ! | 23:38 |
| paxl | like no human interaction to install it on a plaform | 23:38 |
| paxl | do you know if it is possible ? | 23:38 |
| CosmoHill | you installing it on muliple identical devices/ | 23:40 |
| paxl | yes | 23:42 |
| paxl | totally identical | 23:42 |
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| CosmoHill | well moblin basically installs an image and then changes some configuration files and installs a boot loader | 23:45 |
| CosmoHill | my advice would be to install moblin on one computer, configure it the way you want and installl the updates | 23:45 |
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| CosmoHill | create a img of the first computer's hard drive / SSD then copy the image onto the other computers | 23:46 |
| paxl | basicly, it would be intalling it on one computer and then DD the disk and re DD-it on another computer ? | 23:47 |
| auke | moblin uses anaconda for the installer | 23:48 |
| auke | all the choices can be automated | 23:48 |
| auke | so you can modify the existing ISO and add auto-choices to the installer | 23:48 |
| paxl | ok.. | 23:49 |
| paxl | I'll look up those possiblity | 23:49 |
| paxl | I've got another little question, how small can be moblin with X, a base window manager ( I packaged Fluxbox for the pupose of it ) and OO.O | 23:50 |
| paxl | current I"m at 1.5 GB | 23:50 |
| paxl | I find this a little bit big | 23:50 |
| paxl | but there is not realy anything that I can strip out since it more or less depended on dependencys... | 23:51 |
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| Beaver | www.search2.net (new search engine) | 23:54 |
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