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| lbt | http://wiki.meego.com/Debian_users_translation_guide | 00:14 |
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| CosmoHill | ooo | 00:16 |
| Zorry | :) | 00:18 |
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| villemv | hopefully someone will scramble to create a craptablet version of meego... | 00:24 |
| villemv | http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/06/firstviews-95-android-windows-ce-pc607v-tips-a-craptablet-ic/ | 00:24 |
| villemv | i.e. have non-composited wm | 00:24 |
| villemv | I could use a $100 tablet | 00:25 |
| CosmoHill | looks like a digital photo frame | 00:25 |
| villemv | well, there's a heap of those cheap tablets | 00:26 |
| villemv | iPad market is going to be cannibalized in record time ;-) | 00:26 |
| villemv | god bless asia | 00:26 |
| CosmoHill | lol | 00:26 |
| CosmoHill | i personally can't see the point of it | 00:27 |
| villemv | point of cheap tablet? | 00:27 |
| CosmoHill | however if you give me an ipad with one game on it i will be there for hours | 00:27 |
| villemv | makes lots of sense to me, but I'm cheap | 00:27 |
| CosmoHill | i picked up my friends iphone and played on that | 00:27 |
| CosmoHill | i meant the ipad | 00:27 |
| villemv | ahhhh | 00:28 |
| CosmoHill | it's like an ipod touch, only bigger | 00:28 |
| ShadowJK | villemv, amusingly the market was full if tablet/mid/pad things before rumours of apple doing a pad even emerged :-) | 00:28 |
| CosmoHill | whole product line is full of perverts going "TOUCH ME" | 00:28 |
| CosmoHill | it's like the damn DS | 00:28 |
| villemv | ShadowJK: yeah, but apple officially blessed the concept as desirable :-) | 00:29 |
| CosmoHill | there was never any tablets before apple shite in that niche | 00:30 |
| lcuk | which niche? | 00:30 |
| sp3000 | s/desirable/magical and revolutionary/ | 00:30 |
| CosmoHill | the one where you poke the computer | 00:30 |
| CosmoHill | i had it where my teacher poked my laptop screen and i went "sir please don't do that" | 00:31 |
| CosmoHill | he went to the class "Cosmo just told me not to poke this laptop" | 00:32 |
| CosmoHill | douchebag, if you had a LCD panel fitted a week ago you wouldn't want anyone poking it either | 00:32 |
| * lcuk hates fingerprints on screens too | 00:33 | |
| * lcuk fell in love with pentouch interfaces on zx spectrum | 00:33 | |
| CosmoHill | i think that is older than me | 00:33 |
| lcuk | http://retro-treasures.blogspot.com/2009/01/speccy-lightpen.html | 00:34 |
| CosmoHill | yeah, older than me | 00:35 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, it also predates apple for a pokeable interface | 00:37 |
| lcuk | on the large format touchscreens | 00:38 |
| lcuk | does you arm get tired when panning long lists | 00:38 |
| lcuk | ie with the kinetics that make small format devices work | 00:38 |
| lcuk | i would imaging having to swipe full arm repeatedly to get through a list of documents would be hard | 00:39 |
| lcuk | vvs just moving your thumb | 00:39 |
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| lcuk | it was always something i found odd when i was working on my x41 | 00:39 |
| lcuk | the ui scaled up nicely, but the actions were different | 00:39 |
| villemv | lcuk: shouldn't that be a non-issue with kinetic scrolling? | 00:45 |
| villemv | If you give it a fast enough swipe... | 00:45 |
| lcuk | villemv, if there are scroll bars yes | 00:45 |
| villemv | no, I mean if you do a fast swipe it should scroll a good amount | 00:45 |
| lcuk | but when panning whole lists with whole arm its whole different motion involving your whole arm | 00:45 |
| lcuk | instead of just small movements | 00:45 |
| CosmoHill | anyone using a tablet atm? | 00:45 |
| villemv | CosmoHill: n810? ;-) | 00:45 |
| lcuk | yeah ive got an x41 | 00:46 |
| CosmoHill | http://group.black-flag.co.uk/home.php | 00:46 |
| CosmoHill | how does this website look like? | 00:46 |
| CosmoHill | damn css | 00:46 |
| villemv | it looks wrong :-) | 00:46 |
| CosmoHill | :| | 00:47 |
| villemv | (assuming you wanted the columns next to each other) | 00:47 |
| jebba | hmm, i thought that url was going to be quite different from what it was | 00:47 |
| villemv | on chrome | 00:47 |
| CosmoHill | villemv: yes that is broken on all of them | 00:47 |
| CosmoHill | other than that | 00:47 |
| villemv | other than that, seems fine to me | 00:48 |
| villemv | perhaps with tablets we would want somewhat amplified kinetic scrolling | 00:48 |
| CosmoHill | bollocks | 00:48 |
| CosmoHill | that was working fine tuesday | 00:49 |
| lcuk | villemv, decreasing the friction too much makes it too jumpy to use | 00:49 |
| * CosmoHill grabs his over laptop | 00:49 | |
| CosmoHill | *other | 00:50 |
| lcuk | you poke at things and the entire screen wobbles | 00:50 |
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| villemv | actually, I'd be ok with pgdn/pgup scrolling most of the time | 00:51 |
| lcuk | indeed | 00:51 |
| CosmoHill | don't worry if you get suck on google maps | 00:51 |
| CosmoHill | so many time I've scrolled and ended up somewhere else | 00:51 |
| villemv | I actually implemented "penguinreader" just for this purpose (for n810) :-) | 00:51 |
| lcuk | haha | 00:51 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, i wrote a google maps tile grabber (as a test) and panned east | 00:52 |
| lcuk | there were about 400 threads trying to download tiles by the time i stopped | 00:52 |
| lcuk | ive not been allowed back onto google maps since then for some reason | 00:52 |
| CosmoHill | lol | 00:52 |
| villemv | lcuk: threads may not be optimal for such functionality ;-) | 00:52 |
| lcuk | villemv, of course | 00:53 |
| lcuk | it was just an idle test | 00:53 |
| lcuk | and i wrote a throttle based on that experience | 00:53 |
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| burchr | lcuk: hahahaha. | 01:01 |
| burchr | being blocked from google services is always fun | 01:01 |
| burchr | I've been blocked from gmail once | 01:01 |
| burchr | I wrote an application that scraped my email into a desktop client, basically | 01:02 |
| lcuk | tskts | 01:02 |
| lcuk | k | 01:02 |
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| burchr | :)_ | 01:03 |
| * CosmoHill grrs | 01:04 | |
| CosmoHill | 50/50 split on the homepage | 01:04 |
| CosmoHill | does it work, no | 01:04 |
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| CosmoHill | anyone care to checkout my website now? | 01:26 |
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| skyscraper | hello | 03:47 |
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| pupnik | note. meego should not overload audio playback when reestablishing network connections | 04:16 |
| jebba | "overload" audio playback? You mean skip? | 04:17 |
| pupnik | badly | 04:19 |
| pupnik | for a minute just now | 04:19 |
| pupnik | brdrdrdrdt...tk tk.. blerb... brrdrt | 04:19 |
| jebba | would be nice if it used jackd ;) | 04:22 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 04:23 |
| pupnik | that is the audio equivalent to moving away from MS Windows 3.1 cooperative multitasking, yes | 04:23 |
| pupnik | cu trem | 04:24 |
| pupnik | "buffer running low! prioritize the feeding app now!" | 04:24 |
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| pupnik | only sensible architecture | 04:25 |
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| th0br0 | heya | 09:49 |
| IPa | +i+? | 10:02 |
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| Blice | does meego use the devtmpfs? or moblin? | 12:27 |
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| pupnik | what would you prefer? | 12:31 |
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| sgbirch | is there a discussion of rpm vs deb anywhere? | 13:14 |
| pupnik | there were some here | 13:14 |
| thiago_home | no | 13:14 |
| leinir | On the community list, and it's been discussed to death a few times already :) | 13:14 |
| thiago_home | the discussion is over | 13:14 |
| leinir | So, as thiago_home said, you're too late if you have anything to add ;) | 13:15 |
| crysaz | did deb win? | 13:15 |
| thiago_home | no | 13:15 |
| sgbirch | no, I am interested in how hard Nokia and Intel listened | 13:15 |
| Blice | sgbirch: not very hard | 13:16 |
| Blice | but its over | 13:16 |
| Blice | done | 13:16 |
| Blice | there is a deb team however to make a debian compatable version of meego | 13:16 |
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| Blice | seperate project | 13:16 |
| sgbirch | I am trying to decide about buying a Nexus | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | the argument is not rpm vs deb. it's organisational. valhalla pretty much stated the reasons in blog comments | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | and if you don't have tunnnel vision you would accept that argument as sane | 13:17 |
| sgbirch | ok .. do you have a link to the argument pls? | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | hag on | 13:17 |
| sgbirch | thx | 13:17 |
| sgbirch | id hate to go back to rpms | 13:18 |
| crysaz | puuh. i haven't read my lists for a week. there is some catching up to do :) | 13:18 |
| Stskeeps | i like debs but i understand the minusses with it. especially trying out image building and packaging in spec afterwards | 13:18 |
| Stskeeps | http://meego.com/community/blogs/valhalla/2010/towards-day-one | 13:19 |
| sgbirch | trying out image bulding and packaging in spec? | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | scroll down to 'the thinking process went between? | 13:19 |
| sgbirch | ok | 13:19 |
| sgbirch | brill thx ... brb | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | i have to board a plane soon but i must say the tool and organsational arguments are sound | 13:20 |
| sgbirch | another Q. is it now accepter that meego will run on n900? | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | yes, it will be refference platform for arm | 13:20 |
| sgbirch | ok ... but its never over in open source. If the majority want deb the deb fork will win | 13:21 |
| sgbirch | minshare | 13:21 |
| sgbirch | mindshare | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | well, i'd say commercial investment tips the weight the other wy.. | 13:22 |
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| Stskeeps | in the end, it is about how compelling a platform it is | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | ok, boarding | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 13:24 |
| alden | is rpm supposed to be more user friendly or something? | 13:26 |
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| thiago_home | no | 13:27 |
| thiago_home | it just is what it is | 13:27 |
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| sgbirch | have a great flight | 13:29 |
| pupnik | Stskeeps: right | 13:29 |
| sgbirch | anyone using xchat? | 13:30 |
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| fnordian900 | sgbirch, yep | 13:31 |
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| alden | sgbirch: yea? | 13:35 |
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| sgbirch | how do you make xchat direct a message to a specific person? | 13:36 |
| Blice | sgbirch: begin typing their name, press tab | 13:37 |
| Blice | ? | 13:37 |
| fnordian900 | sgbirch, press shift+space to nick complete | 13:37 |
| Blice | oh | 13:37 |
| Blice | its different in xchat than it is in irssi? | 13:37 |
| fnordian900 | on n900 | 13:37 |
| sgbirch | fnordian900, thanks. that was what I needed | 13:38 |
| sgbirch | how about colors, I have to have brightess fullup to see some text | 13:38 |
| sgbirch | Blice, I dont know irssi | 13:38 |
| fnordianslip | sgbirch: settings->preferences->colours | 13:39 |
| arachnist | irssi is The irc client. | 13:39 |
| fnordianslip | er, without the 'u' unfortunately. | 13:39 |
| arachnist | the language file needs to be fixed | 13:40 |
| arachnist | :) | 13:40 |
| fnordianslip | soembody ought to do a an English localisation of xchat that puts the 'u' in 'color' | 13:40 |
| sgbirch | fnordian900, I spend half my life in the USA. I can speak American as well as English | 13:40 |
| sgbirch | buddy | 13:40 |
| fnordianslip | i spent 6 hours on the phone dictating linux command lines to an american noob. what to call # took up a huge argument, and he kept thinking i'd said "z" when i said "c" | 13:41 |
| sgbirch | fnordian900, cool, thats the one. thanks | 13:42 |
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| fnordianslip | sgbirch: cool. xchat works really nicely on n900, with flashing lights,vibrations and stuff | 13:43 |
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| sgbirch | fnordian900, I dont understand the settings screen. how would I change the colow of my own text, for example | 13:46 |
| fnordianslip | by the words "Foreground" and "Background", there are two colour boxes. Touch one, and a colour chooser pops up. I use the dropper tool to choose a colour. | 13:47 |
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| fnordianslip | i've just gone for white on black background to match my theme. all the nicks are in colour, as are highlights | 13:49 |
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| sgbirch | fnordian900, thx, chnaging now | 14:00 |
| sgbirch | fnordian900, what are all the color boxes for? | 14:01 |
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| fnordian900 | sgbirch, dunno, i invested minimal time setting it up :) | 14:02 |
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| sgbirch | fnordian900, it doesnt make sense to me. oh well | 14:05 |
| fnordianslip | cool. just ordered a bluetooth-rs232 adapter. should now be able to use my n900 with my ham radio gear, although i may need to build a custom kernel | 14:05 |
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| fnordianslip | oops | 14:06 |
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| fnordianslip | finger trouble on phone :) | 14:07 |
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| Blice | kernel recompilation: success. new boot time: 2.8 seconds. | 16:00 |
| Blice | 2099 miliseconds of that is towards the HDD spinning up, or at least thats what I assume takes hd_init so long. | 16:00 |
| Blice | need ssd... 0.8second grub->X would be impressive | 16:00 |
| RST38h | I assume, no networking? =) | 16:02 |
| RST38h | (btw, can't say much about ssd, but when using sd cards, they require a few seconds to check for bad blocks on bootup) | 16:02 |
| Blice | it brings up eth0 and wlan0 on boot, yeah | 16:05 |
| Blice | doesn't try to connect to any profiles though, just brings them up | 16:05 |
| Blice | but it does that after X has been started | 16:05 |
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| Blice | so, you think the 2second hd_init would stay the same with an SSD? :( | 16:06 |
| RST38h | No idea frankly, but it well may | 16:06 |
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| arachnist | Blice: i once made a really slim system with custom init scripts, entierly in initrd | 16:22 |
| arachnist | Blice: it booted in about 5 seconds and a significant part of it was spent in reading and unpacking the initrd | 16:23 |
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| Blice | arachnist: yeah I never use initrds | 16:24 |
| arachnist | well, that was before i got a laptop with ssd | 16:24 |
| Blice | ah | 16:24 |
| Blice | and after? | 16:24 |
| arachnist | comparable | 16:25 |
| arachnist | ssd is slower than ram, but i cut the initrd reading time | 16:25 |
| Blice | I don't worry about init. | 16:25 |
| Blice | my init is as fast as it can be, so, really all I care about it kernel time | 16:25 |
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| arachnist | you can do a nifty trick and bring up xdm/slim/kdm/whatever before just about everything else | 16:27 |
| arachnist | and start everything else in background | 16:27 |
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| arachnist | most users won't notice | 16:28 |
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| arachnist | and they'll say "wooow, graphics so early!" | 16:28 |
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| Blice | I've never used one of those login managers before, do they require X or no? | 16:35 |
| Blice | oh they do | 16:36 |
| Blice | hrm | 16:36 |
| Blice | So they wouldn't be any faster to start up than just normally starting X then, neh? | 16:36 |
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| Blablaw | hi all | 16:49 |
| CosmoHill | hey | 16:50 |
| Blablaw | anyone from iceland? | 16:50 |
| CosmoHill | i'm not | 16:50 |
| Blablaw | :9 | 16:50 |
| Blablaw | :) | 16:50 |
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| melik | o hi | 22:17 |
| CosmoHill | hello | 22:17 |
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| melik | is there a roadmap planned out for meego? | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | think we'll get told more at day one | 22:18 |
| CosmoHill | hey Stskeeps | 22:18 |
| CosmoHill | good thing you know what you're talking about | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | CosmoHill: i never claimed that | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:18 |
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| CosmoHill | at least you give that illusion | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | yes, it's great isn't it? ;) | 22:19 |
| CosmoHill | most of the time | 22:19 |
| * Stskeeps is wondering when it all collapses on him, etc ;) | 22:19 | |
| CosmoHill | that is when it's not | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | that said, this particular piece of info was put in various sources | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | zchydem: +1 for your comment on valhalla's post | 22:21 |
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| CosmoHill | wb | 22:22 |
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| * thiago_home wonders why valhalla is blogging | 22:25 | |
| thiago_home | he sent an email a week ago saying he was going on vacation | 22:25 |
| thiago_home | :-P | 22:25 |
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| CosmoHill | that means he only has access to one computer | 22:26 |
| Stskeeps | thiago_home: probably cos the whole project would melt down without some kind of hint of being alive :P | 22:28 |
| Stskeeps | and we all know a n900 is difficult to keep your hands off, even on vacation :) | 22:28 |
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| dotblank | was the meego announcement on feb 17? | 23:35 |
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| Jaffa | dotblank: No, Monday 15th Feb. | 23:47 |
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| descendent87 | I've just purchased a netbook (dell mini 10) as I've been pretty interested in moblin for a while (and even more now it's merged with maemo) and will be installing meego as soon as it arrives, as for developing on meego I need to learn C++ and QT correct? | 23:49 |
| koupsa | yep | 23:50 |
| descendent87 | and for packaging it will use RPM? | 23:50 |
| * CosmoHill is learning C++ | 23:50 | |
| CosmoHill | yes | 23:50 |
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| CosmoHill | not sure if it's RPM or RPM5 | 23:51 |
| descendent87 | brilliant, seems like fedora with KDE is the perfect platform to be running on the desktop then | 23:51 |
| dotblank | Will there be a repo of software? considering it is now RPM based | 23:51 |
| * descendent87 has also just started learning C++ | 23:51 | |
| dotblank | I would say going DEBs are the way to go but my n900 takes about 2 mins to load all the packages | 23:52 |
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| dotblank | so it might be better to go rpm | 23:53 |
| dotblank | *That was a very end-user opinion | 23:53 |
| Jaffa | dotblank: Why do you think the package format would make a difference? | 23:54 |
| Jaffa | dotblank: It's not clear if there'll be any value in a "MeeGo" repository. Announcements from Nokia and Intel have focused on vendor-specific app stores, whereas the community is saying things like "but maemo.org Extras is better than Ovi, has more software, is easier to publish to and has higher quality s/w for end-users" | 23:55 |
| dotblank | I see a lot of value in a community maintained repo. | 23:57 |
| dotblank | I really enjoy maemo extras | 23:57 |
| lcuk | will meego run portal/alf life etc? | 23:58 |
| lcuk | half | 23:58 |
| lcuk | in wine? | 23:58 |
| dotblank | lcuk, um, not likely | 23:58 |
| lcuk | note, on windows i ran halflife at 640*480 on the poorest graphics card ever | 23:59 |
| lcuk | dotblank, what would be the blocker | 23:59 |
| lcuk | i have heard wine works for most things | 23:59 |
| dotblank | well for one Meego will run on arm | 23:59 |
| lcuk | or whatever the gaming version is | 23:59 |
| lcuk | dotblank, INTEL dont make arm | 23:59 |
| lcuk | meego is cross platform | 23:59 |
| dotblank | I don't think it is possible to run wine on arm | 23:59 |
| lcuk | some of the devices will be intel | 23:59 |
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