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| thiago_home | interesting, 12 Trolls :-) | 01:20 |
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| red | :D | 01:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | thiago_home, I think we've got more than that. *eg* | 01:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, right, Trolls with a capital T. | 01:26 |
| thiago_home | yes, those :-) | 01:29 |
| thiago_home | hiccup in the office | 01:30 |
| thiago_home | #qt-labs got flooded... | 01:30 |
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| ljp | we had some power outtage due to needing more power for some new machines | 01:31 |
| thiago_home | ljp: in Oslo | 01:31 |
| thiago_home | 62.70.27.* is the Oslo office network | 01:32 |
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| ljp | ahh ok | 01:37 |
| thiago_home | though the "we need to install more power lines, please stay at home" email was interesting | 01:38 |
| ljp | ya, those racks taking up the hallways are of much better use in the server room | 01:39 |
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| bzhb | There is a page on the wiki (http://wiki.meego.com/Forum_/_Talk) saying that the MeeGo forum will be powered VBulletin that is a proprietary forum software. I guess 250$ is really cheap compared to all the money spend on MeeGo by Nokia and Intel, but it is a bit paradoxical to power a free software community with a proprietary software... are the open source alternatives like phpBB not good enough ? | 03:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | bzhb, because we have an existing install of vBulletin on talk.maemo.org that's served us well since 2005. | 03:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It has the features we need and we have people who know how to work it. | 03:55 |
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| daumas | People use the same excuse to run Windows. | 04:06 |
| bzhb | I guess it is a pragmatic decision. Still It doesn't feel completely right to me... | 04:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | daumas, yeah, massive eyeroll on that one. | 04:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | bzhb, the time and money cost of an open source solution would be significantly higher to get all the features we currently have in vBulletin | 04:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | bzhb, personally, the forum software doesn't seem like an important enough issue to make a free software battlegrounds of. | 04:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you want to focus on something, focus on platform stuff. | 04:08 |
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| daumas | ...or work towards providing needed functionality in alternatives and present it as a replacement. Is there a need to drown out his spirit? | 04:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hardline open-sourcism rarely gets you anywhere productive. | 04:11 |
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| daumas | I could care less what software is used. Web-based forums leave a bad taste in my mouth and I rarely use them. I just didn't see a need to squash any effort to provide a working alternative. Elitist attitudes rarely get you anywhere productive either. (I use tons of proprietary software with Linux btw, not that you should know or I shouldn't even have to explain) | 04:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | daumas, I don't see any efforts here to provide an alternative. | 04:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | daumas, I see a question about why a particularly decision was made | 04:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which I sought to answer | 04:15 |
| bzhb | ok if there is a real technical gap between vBulletin and OSS alternatives, I'm okay with it. But a forum is something that will probably stay for a long time. So there is a short term avantage to use vBulletin. But is it the same in the long term ? | 04:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | bzhb, if somebody wants to invest the time into bringing an open source alternative up to speed, then they're more than welcome to. | 04:18 |
| itdocks | vbulletin is the best unfortunately | 04:24 |
| itdocks | relatively cheap as well | 04:24 |
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| itdocks | cost is less than a couple hours of developer time heh | 04:26 |
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| bzhb | How flexible is vBulletin license ? For example if at some point we want a feature in MeeGo forum that is not present is vBulletin, is it possible to modify the code of vBulletin to implement the feature ? | 04:35 |
| itdocks | yes | 04:36 |
| bzhb | ok | 04:36 |
| bzhb | nice | 04:36 |
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| jebba | daumas: fine to focus on the backend websites too, I think. I agree. The infrastructure should be using free software as well. | 05:54 |
| * DocScrutinizer vomits all over forums in general | 05:55 | |
| jebba | there are lots of free software bulletin boards available. Innumerable, i imagine. Every CMS probably has their own, plus others (e.g. phpBB comes to mind). | 05:55 |
| jebba | ya, forums are barf for sure. The larger point is that the infrastructure backend should all be free software as well. There's plenty to chose from, so there's not even a need to tap nonfree stuff. | 05:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | jebba, at what cost, though? | 05:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | There are reasons we picked vBulletin, you know. :) | 05:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | We're all pro free-software, but it doesn't make it the best choice simply because it's free software. | 06:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Like I said, hardline rarely gets you anywhere productive. | 06:00 |
| microlith | GeneralAntilles: what, you don't want to run LinuxLibre? | 06:00 |
| * microlith chuckles | 06:00 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | I still had to find a sensible way to cope with forums like tmo. I frequently end up with 168 open browser tabs, and starting polling all over from start when I reached end. Inane concept, totally nuts | 06:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | at OM we clearly decided we don't want any forum as it's impossible to get any other work done if you really want to follow what's going on. For those html junkies we got nabble eventually, for them to have a forum alike view on the mailing lists. (even that made me vomit each time some some luser posted a mail via nabble) | 06:09 |
| rwhitby | hey DocScrutinizer | 06:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | hi rwhitby :-D | 06:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | any of the part left over yet? :-) | 06:10 |
| rwhitby | DocScrutinizer: all used up on .au devices | 06:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | good | 06:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | so I assume .au is mostly buzzfree now :-P | 06:12 |
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| rwhitby | DocScrutinizer: dunno, I have three Palm Pre's on my desk, and all GTA0X are in the drawer. | 06:13 |
| * rwhitby runs webos-internals.org now | 06:14 | |
| DocScrutinizer | same here XP | 06:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | for the drawer part | 06:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, I'm bitching at nokia channels now :-D | 06:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | and love my N900 | 06:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | (which btw could use a buzzfix for speakerphone inbound audio as well) | 06:16 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, there's that thingy on tmo that makes the first few lines of posts scroll by in realtime as they're posted. It convinced me it's impossible to keep up with it | 06:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 06:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, it's better if you just focus on a few forums. | 06:25 |
| ShadowJK | I just follow a few threads, if they happen to be on the front page after I click "new" :P | 06:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | even that's highly adictive in a malice way | 06:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, you're free to ignore the forums if they don't interest you. | 06:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | mwkn seeks to notify people of important threads. | 06:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | and totally keeps you from any productive work in the end, while being totally useless in itself | 06:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh | 06:27 |
| arachnist | lol | 06:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Any medium full of unproductive people tends to be unproductive. | 06:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most of the major Maemo community people came from itT. | 06:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | ack | 06:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | So as biased as you want to be about it, it's still been a net positive for the community. | 06:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd just love to see the really productive threads to get a wikipage (like e.g. for projects etc: "where's the man page?" "see tmo thread foobar") in paralled at least | 06:30 |
| ShadowJK | at one point there used to be a practice of copy pasting sensible threads to wiki.. | 06:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | key mapping: see tmo. partitioning: see tmo. multiboot: see tmo. But WHERE? | 06:32 |
| * ShadowJK vaguely recalls 3 different partitioning-whine threads in the last 3 days | 06:32 | |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah! and the few useful posts tend to get lost in there | 06:33 |
| ShadowJK | but for partitioning I think I'd look at jebba's userpage on the wiki ;p | 06:33 |
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| * daumas hopes the MeeGo wiki won't be all on one wiki page like Maemo's | 06:35 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Er? | 06:35 |
| daumas | *cough* http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba | 06:36 |
| arachnist | speaking of partitioning... i still hadn't repartitioned my N900 | 06:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | daumas, um? | 06:36 |
| ShadowJK | I never "repartitioned" N8x0 either.. | 06:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | daumas, you're complaining about the whole of the maemo.org wiki because of one user's page? :) | 06:36 |
| arachnist | and i have it for like... ever since it was available here in poland | 06:36 |
| arachnist | (2 or 3 days after worldwide release) | 06:37 |
| daumas | GeneralAntilles: no, let me try to rephrase that. | 06:37 |
| * daumas hopes that all the sensible information about MeeGo lands on the appropriate wiki pages the information is about instead of being collected all on one user's page. | 06:38 | |
| arachnist | daumas: that's up to the ones who create the content | 06:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | daumas, yeah, there's plenty of information that's not on jebba's page. | 06:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Complain to jebba if you want him to put his stuff on the general wiki. | 06:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | nevertheless | 06:41 |
| daumas | I have. He continues to do it. | 06:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~hail jebba | 06:41 |
| * infobot bows down to jebba and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" | 06:41 | |
| DocScrutinizer | daumas: it's a wiki! You're free to pick up on jebba's loose ends, and sort it to the appropriate places (as long as you don't copy to shamelessly without mentioning the copy source) | 06:43 |
| * daumas wonders why everyone is so grumpy tonight. | 06:44 | |
| DocScrutinizer | me? not really :-) | 06:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I seem to remember a few efforts to unify info in one place, where jebba was active participant | 06:48 |
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| jebba | as i put at the top of the main wiki page: "Feel free to take any of these pages and copy them over to the main wiki namespace (here or in any other wiki, for that matter)." | 06:52 |
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| jebba | Phone_Control was at least one example of what DocScrutinizer mentioned above, fwiw. | 06:53 |
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| jebba | (ah, and re: mentioning source, there's no need) | 06:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | moin jebba | 07:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jebba: got mdbus2? | 07:05 |
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| chetan_ | Hi | 09:17 |
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| chetan_ | i need some info | 09:18 |
| chetan_ | I tried to create login at meego site | 09:18 |
| chetan_ | i filled all the fields correctly | 09:18 |
| chetan_ | I got reply that password details will be sent to me by email | 09:19 |
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| chetan_ | but I still didn't get any mail | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | isn't there some reactivation email resend or something? | 09:20 |
| chetan_ | ya i tried the forgot password option to get the password details again but it not worked | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | got greylisting or checked your spam folder? | 09:22 |
| chetan_ | I checked spam and inbox both | 09:22 |
| chetan_ | I am getting the community mails but didn't get that password mail | 09:22 |
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| qgil | chetan_: what is your userid? | 09:29 |
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| chetan_ | chetanknanda | 09:29 |
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| qgil | chetan_: you seem to have an active profile fully created: http://meego.com/users/chetanknanda | 09:30 |
| qgil | chetan_: try simply to log in? | 09:30 |
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| chetan_ | but I dont have password | 09:31 |
| tybollt | ask it to resend the password? | 09:31 |
| chetan_ | I am checking continuously my mail since from yestereday | 09:31 |
| chetan_ | I used the forgot password option twice to get the password | 09:32 |
| chetan_ | but no benfit | 09:32 |
| chetan_ | but no benifit | 09:33 |
| qgil | chetan_: I would talk privately to you if I would know how to open a private chat in webchat... | 09:33 |
| chetan_ | sure | 09:33 |
| qgil | chetan_: are you using a normal IRC client or can you open a private chat with me? | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | qgil: /query nickname might do the trick | 09:34 |
| qgil | ps: I have admin rights to the site and I want to check your email address there is correct | 09:34 |
| chetan_ | qgil : i opened a private chat | 09:34 |
| qgil | that worked :) | 09:34 |
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| Stskeeps | lo yerga | 09:39 |
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| yerga | morning Stskeeps | 09:44 |
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| qgil | reading the first reactions at talk.maemo.org after the MeeGo related announcements of Orange and the N900... | 10:09 |
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| qgil | ... I'm starting to think that some people really don't want to see (leave alone enjoy) good news | 10:09 |
| qgil | this is basically a scope while I send an email to meego-dev: http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-sdk | 10:10 |
| qgil | a scoop, I mean | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | i think it's difficult when not understanding orange that much - here they are stigmatised(?) because of being a company that sends out advertisement SMS at random hours to pay-on-the-go users :P | 10:10 |
| qgil | and probably MeeGo will enable that as well but...... | 10:11 |
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| qgil | reminds me some of my friends complaining about everybody buying Ikea furniture and then visiting theirm homes and..... | 10:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what do you think about FSO middleware in meego? | 10:12 |
| qgil | fso? | 10:13 |
| qgil | ah | 10:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | I mean, mce e.g. won't make it from maemo to meego, no? | 10:13 |
| qgil | I guess it's about components, I don't have any opinion myself | 10:13 |
| qgil | DocScrutinizer: no idea, really | 10:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | qgil: freesmartphone.org | 10:13 |
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| qgil | yeah, took me a while because the first thing that came to mind was freedesktop.org :) | 10:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | near hit | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: if base system has to be open source, i doubt mce will make it, and i really hope MeeGo will be more generic, which mce is good at | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | er, | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | not good at | 10:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 10:15 |
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| qgil | fwiw Nokia is offering some components to be opened if that helps aquipping MeeGo witht he best available | 10:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | so who's the board to decide upon such architectural details? | 10:16 |
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| qgil | again this is case by case and the guys in the know are the architects of the respective areas discussing right now | 10:16 |
| qgil | so no idea about mce specifically | 10:16 |
| qgil | DocScrutinizer: before a first architecture is published it's basically up to Intel and Nokia architects discussing now | 10:17 |
| qgil | like some developers ina bar before presenting their plan to the public | 10:17 |
| qgil | or Mark Shuttleworth getting the basics right before proposing Ubuntu to the world | 10:17 |
| qgil | after that there will be a public process to propose architecture changes, like in any project at this level | 10:17 |
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| tybollt | qgil: that's where this went fundamentally wrong. | 10:18 |
| qgil | tybollt: I see your point but I actually disagree | 10:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | qgil: doesn't sound exactly right | 10:18 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer++ | 10:19 |
| qgil | I was never asked about certain things before major oss projects started | 10:19 |
| qgil | you don't like something, you can propose changes, fork, leave... | 10:19 |
| qgil | but I think it's good to have a clear initial proposal | 10:19 |
| tybollt | nononononononoooooo | 10:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks for the offer to leave | 10:19 |
| robsta | tybollt: why? foss is about meritocracy, not democracy, earn yourself a name and you'll have influence | 10:19 |
| qgil | better than a playground for everything "hey, let's discuss!" | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | robsta: agreed on meritocracy | 10:20 |
| qgil | we have also seen well intentioned projects starting at that level that never went beyond a 0.1 | 10:20 |
| qgil | if they ever reached that level | 10:20 |
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| tybollt | qgil: Nokia and Intel should've had something TO OFFER when going public w/ meego, that is my entire point. | 10:20 |
| tybollt | As it stands they went public w/ nothing. | 10:20 |
| qgil | tybollt: I have explained this several times and erhaps I need to make it visible somewhere: | 10:20 |
| qgil | putting all the technical pìeces in place would have implied involving a lot more people for a much longer period | 10:21 |
| qgil | this would have resulted in a leak or an unofficial launch | 10:21 |
| qgil | and we would have been in the very same situation | 10:21 |
| qgil | the current approach is honest: | 10:21 |
| qgil | Nokia, Intel an the Linux Foundation have a greed in a basic plan | 10:21 |
| tybollt | no | 10:21 |
| tybollt | the current situation is ... F U D :-) | 10:22 |
| qgil | technical details and a first unstable release being worjed out now | 10:22 |
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| Pandora | hey guys | 10:22 |
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| Stskeeps | morning Pandora, danielwilms | 10:22 |
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| qgil | tybollt: if the current situation bothers you then just put this in a side and wait for a first release | 10:22 |
| Pandora | a quick question. when do we expect a stable release of the meego OS for flashing on my n900. | 10:23 |
| danielwilms | Stskeeps morning! | 10:23 |
| chetan_ | Hope to get first release soon | 10:23 |
| Pandora | or hacking to be able to be flashed | 10:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's plain nonsense to assume a needed architectural change could be done by a few dudes in a bar as a *draft*, and later on easily reverted for something obviously better on the fly | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | Pandora: topic blog url might help | 10:23 |
| chetan_ | If package system for meego will be RPM then what will be the impact on N900 | 10:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | and those dudes by no means are earning this position by any merits | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | chetan_: .. none? it's code like anything else? | 10:24 |
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| Pandora | <chetan_> deb files whille have to be ported | 10:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | I fully agree that's not a process for everybody and his dog to take part in the endless debate | 10:25 |
| lbt | chetan_: it means there will almost certainly be a flash needed at some point... | 10:25 |
| chetan_ | @stskeeps: I didn't get you | 10:25 |
| lbt | since apt-get upgrade-rpm won't work | 10:25 |
| qgil | a piece of information I have been trying to dig (but haven't got enough time / luck) is | 10:25 |
| lbt | but other than that... nothing special | 10:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | but as well that's not a process which should be done by a few in a hermetic room | 10:25 |
| qgil | How long did it take between the Ubuntu project became public knowledge and they got a first release | 10:25 |
| robsta | DocScrutinizer: how much influence do you think a regular intel or nokia engineer has at this point? | 10:26 |
| qgil | and what was the initial statement of the Ubuntu project, meaning how many decisions were already made | 10:26 |
| lbt | DocScrutinizer: Hey... I've got an idea - lets announce a new project called Unified Linux and launch it... | 10:26 |
| lbt | just you and me | 10:26 |
| lbt | then we can discuss the architecture on irc | 10:26 |
| Pandora | lol | 10:26 |
| lbt | and we'll have it done by friday with all those people helping!!! | 10:26 |
| robsta | DocScrutinizer: i mean on the big picture | 10:27 |
| lbt | we can slashdot it and everything | 10:27 |
| lbt | :D | 10:27 |
| lbt | DocScrutinizer: or should we get things a bit better defined first? | 10:27 |
| lbt | do we even want to do this together? | 10:27 |
| lbt | should we chat about the outline before we even commit to each other? | 10:28 |
| lbt | how much outline? | 10:28 |
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| lbt | DocScrutinizer: forgive the english humour.... but does ^^^ make sense? | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | it makes more sense if i read it with your voice | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:29 |
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| Mek | hmm, somehow the meego mailin list stuff seems to think my request for a subscription came from 127.0.0.1 :) | 10:30 |
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| AVee | Ah, Unified Linux, can I you? | 10:31 |
| qgil | well, found the closest thing: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2004-September/000000.html | 10:31 |
| AVee | "And what if I assign a hundred programmers to it?" The master programmer shrugged. "Then the design will never be completed," he said. :) | 10:31 |
| AVee | http://www.canonical.org/~kragen/tao-of-programming.html#book3 | 10:31 |
| qgil | look all the things that were decided at that point before prior open discussion | 10:31 |
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| qgil | and look how much has evolved that project since then | 10:32 |
| qgil | you don't like a GNOME desktop and you prefer KDE? Push kubuntu | 10:32 |
| qgil | no Plone but Drupel? Push it | 10:32 |
| qgil | etc | 10:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | lbt: I won't comment on that, not because I couldn't say anything, but simply because it's much too scattered to pick a single statement (which statement?) to answer on that | 10:32 |
| qgil | that was for a project lead by one person, and most people was fine | 10:33 |
| qgil | in our case | 10:33 |
| qgil | agreeing among Intel and Nokia engineers is not simple at all! | 10:33 |
| qgil | most of the reasonable and well informed complaints most developers will have are being raised in those discussion | 10:33 |
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| qgil | deb/rpm, qt/gtk etc | 10:33 |
| qgil | so DocScrutinizer tybollt etc, what is your specific area of expertise and concern? | 10:34 |
| jebba | qgil: what's the advantage of not letting us follow the discussion? | 10:34 |
| qgil | jebba: all the extra time and energy that it takes? | 10:35 |
| qgil | jebba: and if at the end the Intel and the Nokia guys that will be sitting on the maintainership of the topic discussed right after the agreement don't agree... | 10:36 |
| qgil | so let the Nokia/Intel initial maintainers get to agree on the stuff they will maintain | 10:36 |
| jebba | community destruction #4. http://lwn.net/Articles/370157/ | 10:36 |
| qgil | and from that point you are encouraged to find weaknesses, propose improvements... and bring the help needed to implement it | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: it's hard to talk about community destruction even if there's no community as such yet | 10:37 |
| qgil | jebba: I know that one very well | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | or any code surrounding it | 10:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | well if there's any area of expertise here that matters, then it's a feeling about how to do a decent architectural design process. This never will pan out properly without a carefully balanced amount of debate with community, and it's a wellknown fact a first decision on basic architectural details is both almost unchangable later on and more often that not suboptimal or even fatal | 10:37 |
| jebba | Stskeeps: there's 354 people in this channel. That's community unto itself. Plus the mailing lists, etc. | 10:38 |
| AVee | jebba: Nokia and Intel would probably have to structure their discussions quit differently if they want us to listen in. | 10:38 |
| qgil | jebba: I won't start mentioning community projects that got plenty of engagement, openness and felixibility and they end up nowhere with everybody burnt out | 10:38 |
| AVee | I'd guess most of it are meeings, not paper. | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | at the end of the day, we have to remember that we need to get a product out. | 10:38 |
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| AVee | But I'd agree it would be better if those decicions where made before the thing was public. | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | which means committed resources | 10:39 |
| qgil | DocScrutinizer: for the same reasons you are pointing out it is clear that if you start an open debate about the full architecture of an OS, either you end up with a mess or with a perfect release 10 years after, or something in between | 10:39 |
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| Stskeeps | i personally don't want MeeGo to end up the Enlightenment of mobile platforms :) | 10:39 |
| qgil | AVee: we needed to make it public in order to involve the right people | 10:40 |
| jebba | would be nice if we could even see the builder. But again, we're being told to wait and see. Seems like that's been the refrain since i got my n900. "Be patient" is the motto (a side artifact being "do nothing") | 10:40 |
| AVee | qgil: That, and for the marketing buzz etc. I can see all that, it's just (in this respect) easier if it's the other way around. | 10:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | qgil: agree on that | 10:41 |
| qgil | AVee: define "other way around", please :) | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: i think it's a transitional thing as well - moblin OBS didn't have public access | 10:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | I never suggested full open debate of everyone and his dog, rememeber? | 10:41 |
| AVee | First decisions, then announcements. | 10:41 |
| qgil | DocScrutinizer: this is why I'm asking about the specific area that interests you | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: so they need to change around and allow public access into the OBS, which trust me, is not trivial | 10:42 |
| qgil | AVee: in order to make good decisions you need to involve people you can't involve before the announcement | 10:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | but give community a window to watch what's going on, and a letterbox to place suggestions in there | 10:42 |
| AVee | In this case, thats probably true | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | isn't basically what is happening right now is the organisational structure being set up in the community? | 10:42 |
| qgil | DocScrutinizer: and we would get anyway all the complaints that this is not truly open, etc | 10:42 |
| qgil | those discussions happen also over conference calls, visits to Portland/Helsinki... | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | with architects put on new areas etc | 10:43 |
| jebba | intel & nokia are treating this like a two way deal. But there is a third partner, the linux foundation, which is basically "the community". But they are being pretty left out of what is going on, it seems. | 10:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | qgil: that's totally inevitable and doesn't matter here. It's not for community's sake, it's for project's sake the few dudes get feedback. It's arrogant notion if they think they don't need that | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | it will be hard to disagree that the people there do not have merit in their area and experience | 10:44 |
| qgil | also in these discussions about technology selections it's easy to hit business aspects that you can't really discuss publicly in a comfortable way | 10:45 |
| qgil | e.g. how many developers are behind option A and option B, short term plans in products in the pipeline... | 10:45 |
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| slaine | "very raw baseline to a source and binary repository to build MeeGo trunk on Intel ATOM boards and Nokia N900." | 10:45 |
| slaine | interesting | 10:45 |
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| slaine | n900 support off the bat | 10:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | qgil: I'm well aware of that. I ran another "public R&D" projact recently | 10:46 |
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| jebba | http://meego.com/community/blogs/valhalla/2010/towards-day-one | 10:46 |
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| Stskeeps | jebba: saw http://2600hertz.wordpress.com/2010/02/26/meego-destroy-in-6-steps/ ? | 10:47 |
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| * DocScrutinizer envisions Aki:"so let's port MCE!" Bill:"nah, let's port moblin foobar manager" Aki:"you got a coin to throw?" | 10:48 | |
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| AVee | Sometimes it will probably be like that, often there are multiple options which are all valid and could all work fine. | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | anyway, aren't we all suffering a bit from tunnel vision? | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, heck, we're watching a forced move to open processes of a behind-the-walls operation | 10:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | AVee: and quite usually all these options are heritage and nobody looks beyond end of his own nose | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | the first peeks is not going to be pretty | 10:51 |
| AVee | DocScrutinizer: So true :) | 10:51 |
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| Stskeeps | and the transformation of nokia to a hw vendor and contributor to a open platform | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | which means there's less things they can get away with | 10:51 |
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| jebba | Stskeeps: i just saw it now linked from those comments. | 10:56 |
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| Stskeeps | jebba: i think step #10 is to use tinfoil-hat-website colours to express your opinions | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:56 |
| slaine | lol | 10:57 |
| slaine | just read both | 10:57 |
| slaine | I'm hopeful for the future, I'm frustrated with the present. I think that sums up most of us | 10:57 |
| jebba | the one at 2600hertz is kind of a weird version of this: http://lwn.net/Articles/370157/ | 10:58 |
| jebba | This has some good points too: https://www.theopensourceway.org/wiki/Stuff_everyone_knows_and_forgets_anyway https://www.theopensourceway.org/wiki/How_to_tell_if_a_FLOSS_project_is_doomed_to_FAIL | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 11:00 |
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| AVee | That 2600hertz guy is also an android fanboy judging by his other posts. Like android is so very community driven... | 11:00 |
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| slaine | lol AVee, that's kinda what I was thinking. | 11:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: 2600Hz rules :-D | 11:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I wonder how qgil could have missed what's my particular interest. As if my first question triggering this wasn't specific | 11:22 |
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| thiago | his point about Nokia losing market share is also wrong | 11:24 |
| thiago | say what you want about Symbian (and I have my share of grievances too), it's not something you can simply dismiss | 11:24 |
| jebba | DocScrutinizer: what is it? The architectural design? | 11:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | FSO replacing mce/<whatever moblin might have> | 11:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | just a suggestion, and no dude to ask for it | 11:25 |
| Myrtti | moin | 11:25 |
| Mirv | moinmoin | 11:26 |
| jebba | This? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO | 11:26 |
| Mirv | jebba: yes | 11:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | AIUI it's like "we'll invent something new, if you don't like that, complain or leave" | 11:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | jebba: exactly | 11:27 |
| Mirv | I believe it should be more clearly stated that MeeGo is actually not open for business / community yet. it's more like that "in Q2 we will present what we have and then you can come join us". | 11:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 11:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | and thats feeling really wrong | 11:28 |
| robsta | DocScrutinizer: but that's the way open source works, don't like it, fork it | 11:28 |
| jebba | Mirv: it sure seems open already. Just no code yet. | 11:28 |
| Mirv | jebba: that's what I mean. there are channels opening but as a development project it's just a placeholder. | 11:29 |
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| Mirv | and it's ok for me actually, I just think it should be more clearly communicated where we are at the moment and the roadmap | 11:29 |
| zaheerm | end of the month is not far | 11:29 |
| jebba | Mirv: but there's no reason to wait for Q2, people are giving input already. | 11:30 |
| Mirv | jebba: yes to some aspects, but for example like said architecture is between Intel and Nokia for now | 11:30 |
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| Mirv | but it's very good time to think about Moblin + Maemo general community merge and services stuff | 11:30 |
| Mirv | and that's progressing nicely | 11:31 |
| jebba | Mirv: i still dont see why it just has to be between nokia/intel now. If there's some pressing issue (FSO?) to someone, that certainly can be discussed without waiting for nokkiaintel. | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | to take the bull with the horns.. is FSO production quality? | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | and start a discussion at meego-dev on those parts | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | the relevant architects might chip in | 11:33 |
| jebba | I've merely glanced at it. Would be cool to see if it could workk with ofono. | 11:33 |
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| Mirv | Stskeeps: my voice quality issues in phone calls are related to my mic breaking, not to FSO which works fine for me :) | 11:35 |
| jebba | Mirv: that on a freerunner? | 11:35 |
| Mirv | but I do know some don't like FSO architecture etc.. but it'd be nice to get packaged and ready for the devices that it supports and will support | 11:35 |
| Mirv | jebba: yes | 11:35 |
| Mirv | not that I'd easily switch from Debian on my phone anyway | 11:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | robsta: no, that's how fuckin business and arrogant posers exploit FOSS. The real FOSS idea is about NOT forking, but about accepting a benevolent dictator voluntarily based on the assumption this dictator will try to implement a form of win/win democracy whenever possible | 11:36 |
| robsta | not at all | 11:36 |
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| robsta | it's about a project founder/maintainer steering the project | 11:37 |
| robsta | it's about people earning a status because of their contributions | 11:38 |
| robsta | the contributions should be acknowledged by the maintainer | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | robsta: maybe some sources on typical linux foundation working ways would be god | 11:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | so...?? | 11:39 |
| robsta | it's not about democracy at all | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | good | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | i think there's some info on governance page | 11:39 |
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| Stskeeps | i think things are closer to how linux kernel was built really | 11:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | robsta: well, you confirmed my statement with every single point you made, even with the last one, given my definition of democracy is more close to what you might call teamwork, rather than what's your notion of democracy | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | in terms of governance | 11:41 |
| Myrtti | Stskeeps: your slip is showing | 11:42 |
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| Myrtti | :-> | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: http://meego.com/about/governance actually says it quite well | 11:42 |
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| robsta | DocScrutinizer: so why are people not taking few months and actually contribute stuff and build themselves a reputation before demanding to take part in architectural decisions? | 11:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | robsta: nobody is demanding that | 11:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | robsta: obviously you got something completely wrong | 11:44 |
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| Stskeeps | i think he's actually right in this particular case | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | it is the linux kernel development model | 11:44 |
| jebba | robsta: well, plenty of people already have reputations, glancing over at the list of nicks in this room.... | 11:45 |
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| Stskeeps | it would be different if we were starting from source size 0, btw | 11:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: for certain parts of the architecture we actually do | 11:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | and that's exactly my point | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | right, so raise the issue | 11:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | I did, se backscroll | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | this isn't the correct medium for it, meego-dev is :P | 11:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ack | 11:47 |
| jebba | well, you can do it here too. I for one dont really understand what it is you are proposing or how FSO would workk with n900, what bits it would need, etc. Couldn't you just makke a fso.rpm and install it? | 11:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | so if you tell me meego-dev is the "window" to the few dudes in the pub I asked for, then I'm perfectly fine. But I wonder then why nobody mentioned that before | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: right now most -dev goes on there, but i'm hoping it seperates out into subsystems soon | 11:49 |
| Mirv | I think it might be closer to the window than this channel, considering that the supposed currently working architects might not use IRC | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | and i think you should include a suggestion to do a mailing list for those things | 11:49 |
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| Stskeeps | Mirv: nokians irc a lot, i mean, irc comes from finland.. | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:49 |
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| Mirv | jebba: with N900 modem driver added to FSO it would just work with FSO using phone software. there is currently Palm Pre support coming along, but N900 is yet to be reverse-engineered AFAIK | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | is FSO ofono? | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | well, does it have, rather | 11:50 |
| Mirv | no, ofono is different. | 11:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | jebba: FSO is just an example, but for the sake of not leaving a loose end: it's a middleware replacing the resource management deamons like mce et al we're used to see in maemo | 11:51 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:51 |
| jebba | heya | 11:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | FSO is a superset of ofono, though not 100% API compatible, so to say | 11:52 |
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| Mirv | and ofono designers agree to disagree with FSO design decisions. it's quite given probably that ofono will be part of MeeGo, which is why it's quite interesting how stuff like FSO could be incorporated. | 11:52 |
| jebba | ofono could be a driver for fso though, no? Like fso could dbus-send to ofono to control it. | 11:52 |
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| Mirv | jebba: if ofono has a nice modem driver, both ofono could be beneath FSO like FSO could be beneath ofono with some hacking. | 11:53 |
| jebba | Mirv: ofono uses isimodem (phonet kernel driver) for talking to n900. | 11:53 |
| Mirv | it's a bit similar, well not but in part, to ConnMan vs. Network Manager | 11:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | jebba: yes | 11:53 |
| Mirv | connman comes from intel/nokia land and will surely be in meego | 11:53 |
| jebba | rpm/qt/gstreamer/connman/ofono/X seem to be near certainties. | 11:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | ofono roughly is what fsogsmd is in FSO | 11:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | other parts of FSO would replace MCE and dunno what else we got on maemo that's neither open nor really an integrated framework | 11:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but no matter if we'll see FSO on meego or not, my main concern is a few dudes decide on that in a pub, probably by competing who can drink more beer. And none of them ever heard of FSO I'd bet. So either we make then aware of alternatives or we'll be confronted with poor decisions that are incredibly hard to revert later on | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: you're assuming they're idiots, which they are not :P | 11:58 |
| jebba | Ya, id say if you want to makke them aware, meego-dev is your shot at it. | 11:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | Not exactly. I'd rather call myself an idiot if I'd not try to get some feedback for each of the decisions I had to make, if I were one of those dudes | 12:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | jebba: ack | 12:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | well maybe even s/feedback/inspiration/ | 12:02 |
| jebba | ya, impossible for one small group to know all the huge ecosystem available to them | 12:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | as feedback includes debates and criticism which isn't always what you need in such a situation | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | http://dilbert.com/fast ;) | 12:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | but a simple "hey fellas, tell us about the pros and cons of RPM and deb" never can hurt, huh? | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: they did, people didn't want to listen | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | kept on going | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:05 |
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| robsta | DocScrutinizer: don't you think the engineers know something about rpm and deb too? also many were hired from the community in the last years | 12:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | robsta: I really don't think *anybody* has a world knowledge. Last one supposed to be able to reach that state of wisdom was Goethe | 12:07 |
| jebba | i thought it was John Stuart Mill | 12:07 |
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| slaine | not this shit again | 12:09 |
| slaine | I guess it's been too quiet, and now somebody official has said something it's roused the masses | 12:10 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah | 12:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | huh? another one not realizing RPM and deb are just placeholders | 12:10 |
| slaine | "The white zone is for loading and unloading only" | 12:11 |
| thiago | "The red zone is for loading and unloading only" | 12:12 |
| slaine | Gah | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: the argument is organisational and tool-wise. Moblin brings a full setup of RPM-centered production technologies while Nokia has a setup that is to say the least, hardly sane (Scratchbox-centered, DEB-centered). This is the QA, builder, repositories, and so on - production tools that work from day one, instead of having to work several months to adjust Nokia+community tools+debian.org things | 12:12 |
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| slaine | thiago: no, it was the white zone, google said so ;) | 12:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: so what? | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: there's no technical difference between deb and rpm as such, but it's about what can be brought to the table that's stable and works now | 12:14 |
| thiago | slaine: it says "The red zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the white zone." | 12:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: ack. And I'm not at all interested in RPM vs deb | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: yes, me neither | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | but it was just about the rpm vs deb discussion | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | that it was tried to be communicated but noone accepted the argument cos of tunnel vision | 12:15 |
| slaine | thiago: This is the central Scrutinizer. The white zone is for loading and unloading only. | 12:15 |
| slaine | If you have to load or Unload, go to the White zone. You’ll love it. It’s a way of life. | 12:15 |
| thiago | slaine: though I prefer "Roger, Roger. What's our vector, Victor?" | 12:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, should listen to my guts feeling. Felt this might kick off a stupid new debate when I chose that example | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: we can s/rpm vs deb/X/ and it would still apply | 12:16 |
| tybollt | there was an announcement?? | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | people have a tendancy not to see the full picture | 12:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm well aware of that | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | nice seeing valtteri communicating on issues in the blog post | 12:18 |
| tybollt | what blogpost | 12:19 |
| tybollt | do spil Stskeeps | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | topic | 12:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | see, when I started a poll "2.5 vs 3.5mm hs jack" on OM-ML, I finally learnt a 3.5mm would be better than keeping compatibility to a borked 2.5mm "standard" heritage from GTA02. But in the end the *designer* overrides my conclusion we should go for 3.5mm, as he didn't want more than one "hole in the case", so gta03 was designed with proprietary USB receptacle only | 12:21 |
| tybollt | wow | 12:23 |
| tybollt | that is a fantastically broad assesment | 12:23 |
| tybollt | "intel atom processor" | 12:23 |
| tybollt | I mean N900 is contained, you can deal w/ that... Atom... could be anything... | 12:23 |
| tybollt | This valhalla has some guts indeed :) | 12:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | he just missed a single word : "certain" | 12:24 |
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| tybollt | I do wonder... | 12:28 |
| tybollt | I mean the googlers have a quite distinct diff between android and Chrome OS | 12:29 |
| tybollt | Wil meego come in two versions like that or is one dist supposed to satisfy all? | 12:29 |
| tybollt | Certainly UI shall differ between mobiles and computers? | 12:30 |
| robsta | http://meego.com "MeeGo's common core supports development for a variety of devices." | 12:30 |
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| slaine | ChromeOS != Android | 12:30 |
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| tybollt | slaine: that's right | 12:31 |
| slaine | Two totally different platforms, regardless of the GUI | 12:31 |
| tybollt | that is my point slainer! | 12:31 |
| slaine | Oh | 12:31 |
| tybollt | they are also geared towards different things | 12:31 |
| slaine | yeah, well, the truth is we don't yet really know. We've all speculated one way or the other | 12:32 |
| tybollt | how will meego solve that task? Being oriented both for netbooks (small computers, but still fully functional computers w/ keyboards) and handhelds, things that require perhaps a bit more thought behind the UI and apps? | 12:33 |
| slaine | When the project was first announced, it was felt that Maemo6 would get some MeeGo branding and Moblin 2.2 would get Qt and some MeeGo branding, they'd both me marketed as MeeGo, but would have different underlying platforms | 12:33 |
| tybollt | yes yes | 12:33 |
| tybollt | do speculate | 12:33 |
| slaine | Then as we get to 1.5/2.0 we'd have a full merged platform | 12:33 |
| tybollt | that's why I'm ranting : | 12:33 |
| tybollt | :) | 12:33 |
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| robsta | tybollt: http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=188646 "MeeGo builds on the capabilities of the Moblin core OS and its support for a wide range of device types and reference user experiences" | 12:34 |
| robsta | user experiences | 12:34 |
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| tybollt | hmm ok | 12:38 |
| tybollt | uhm | 12:38 |
| tybollt | robsta: could you be anymore vague? :) | 12:38 |
| robsta | it's actually quite simple | 12:38 |
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| robsta | more than one user experience, the guis will be different | 12:39 |
| X-Fade | You should know more the end of the month, when the code is expected. | 12:39 |
| tybollt | robsta: My Vaio-P will have same UI as my N900 essentially? | 12:39 |
| tybollt | well | 12:39 |
| tybollt | let's speculate X-fade :) | 12:39 |
| robsta | tybollt: it says the exact opposite actually | 12:39 |
| tybollt | matter of interpretation but ok | 12:40 |
| X-Fade | http://meego.com/developers/meego-architecture | 12:40 |
| robsta | that plural is more than one? | 12:40 |
| robsta | most people here will hopefully agree | 12:40 |
| X-Fade | Clear difference betwee handheld UX and netbook UX. | 12:40 |
| robsta | thanks X-Fade that shows it even better | 12:41 |
| X-Fade | No need to speculate about that ;) | 12:41 |
| robsta | tybollt: you complain that meego is FUD, but i'm sorry, what you are doing is actually spreading FUD | 12:42 |
| slaine | well said robsta, was just about to say something along the lines | 12:43 |
| tybollt | hehe :) | 12:43 |
| slaine | that's a guilty laugh if ever I saw one ;) | 12:44 |
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| tybollt | I'm playing in the game as they served it to me. | 12:44 |
| slaine | no, you're being a troll | 12:44 |
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| tybollt | woha settle down now. | 12:45 |
| slaine | saying that your Vaio-P will have the same UI as your n900 AFTER being told there'll be a common platform but different UI's being an example | 12:45 |
| robsta | tybollt: it's serious now, this channel is about working together | 12:45 |
| tybollt | that's ok I want that too | 12:46 |
| slaine | I'm frustrated at the lack of information, we all are. | 12:46 |
| tybollt | zing | 12:46 |
| slaine | I'm also frustrated with the kickstart tools available for me, ARGH!!!! | 12:47 |
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| slaine | robsta: who are the main people behind the moblin-image-creator tools ? | 12:53 |
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| robsta | no idea, maybe townxelliot would know? | 12:54 |
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| townxelliot | slaine: hello - for Moblin Image Creator I'd probably contact Anas | 12:57 |
| townxelliot | slaine: the project page is on moblin.org - http://moblin.org/projects/moblin-image-creator-2 | 12:57 |
| townxelliot | slaine: I'm pretty sure I've seen him on here during UK working hours before | 12:59 |
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| slaine | townxelliot: Thanks. | 13:01 |
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| slaine | However, I don't think anaZ likes me anymore after my complaints about the moblin src.rpms not being buildable | 13:02 |
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| CosmoHill | anyone seen the new ubuntu branding?\ | 15:27 |
| slaine | yeah | 15:27 |
| CosmoHill | what do you think of it? | 15:28 |
| slaine | pretty but not sure I'd want it as my theme | 15:28 |
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| neostar20 | hi any1 for chat? | 16:34 |
| lcuk | sure neostar20, asl? *grin* | 16:35 |
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| opdf2 | just heard that meego is headed to n900 on slashgear. anyone else heard the same? | 23:40 |
| tripzero | opdf2, is that official? | 23:40 |
| opdf2 | it was on a meego blog: http://meego.com/community/blogs/valhalla/2010/towards-day-one | 23:41 |
| opdf2 | i dont know if thats official | 23:42 |
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| tripzero | probably is | 23:42 |
| tripzero | Valtteri wrote it | 23:42 |
| * CosmoHill notes Dawn leaving | 23:42 | |
| tripzero | it's about as official as it gets | 23:42 |
| thiago_home | I don't read that in the blog | 23:43 |
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| opdf2 | "What is scheduled to be available then is the first and very raw baseline to a source and binary repository to build MeeGo trunk on Intel ATOM boards and Nokia N900." | 23:44 |
| thiago_home | "build MeeGo trunk on Nokia N900" is not the same as "there will be a fully usable MeeGo image for the N900" | 23:44 |
| tripzero | says there will be a source and binary repo to build meego trunk on the n900 | 23:44 |
| tripzero | oops | 23:44 |
| thiago_home | don't get me wrong, i want to be proven wrong | 23:44 |
| opdf2 | thiago_home: oh i see | 23:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | opdf2, nor does it mean Harmattan on N900. | 23:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | opdf2, basically, it's nothing new. | 23:44 |
| tripzero | right, there's already a harmattan n900 repo isnt' therem? | 23:45 |
| opdf2 | GeneralAntilles: ah too bad | 23:45 |
| thiago_home | tripzero: no | 23:45 |
| thiago_home | there's no public Harmattan repository | 23:45 |
| thiago_home | that I know of, anyway | 23:46 |
| tripzero | well, the Harmattan UI is on gitorious | 23:46 |
| tripzero | and there is an n900 repo for it | 23:46 |
| thiago_home | that's a different thing | 23:46 |
| tripzero | i don't know what else harmattan is to know if it's all there | 23:46 |
| tripzero | okay | 23:47 |
| tripzero | so I assume harmattan is a bunch of apps as well? | 23:48 |
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| thiago_home | yeah, the UX built on top of the libraries you have access to | 23:48 |
| lcuk | tripzero, i heard the next perfect OS was going to be a monolithic lump in one single app | 23:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | thiago_home, well, some parts are available. | 23:49 |
| tripzero | duihome will replace hildon-home no? | 23:49 |
| tripzero | which is probably the most important UX peice | 23:49 |
| thiago_home | tripzero: until the device ships, we can't know for sure | 23:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Harmattan is going to be depressing. | 23:50 |
| tripzero | why? | 23:50 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, has anyone ever told you sound like marvin from hitchhikers | 23:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Capacitive, the MeeGo-but-not confusion. | 23:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, meh. | 23:50 |
| tripzero | GeneralAntilles, capacitive? touchscreens? | 23:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 23:51 |
| tripzero | is harmattan a device? | 23:51 |
| thiago_home | no | 23:51 |
| thiago_home | Harmattan is Maemo 6 | 23:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maemo 6 doesn't exist anymore, however. | 23:52 |
| thiago_home | MeeGo-enabled, whatever that will mean | 23:52 |
| tripzero | what does the software have to do with capacitive touchscreens? | 23:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Harmattan is MeeGo for N900+1 | 23:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | But not actually MeeGo | 23:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, Harmattan is confusion. | 23:52 |
| thiago_home | the device has a codename too (which I can't tell you) and it has a capacitive multitouch screen | 23:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | tripzero, software has traditionally been tied rather closely with hardware for Maemo | 23:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | as we don't have a name for N900+1, it's easier just to say Harmattan. | 23:52 |
| thiago_home | the codenames are usually not for public consumption, since sometimes they're not things we can use | 23:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | They usually leak, however. | 23:53 |
| thiago_home | there's one device coming out this year (I think) that has the same name as a car model from a Japanese auto maker | 23:53 |
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| tripzero | so the n900+1 is supposed to be a capacitive TS and *that's* what's depressing? | 23:53 |
| thiago_home | yes, like the Rover name for the N900 | 23:54 |
| tripzero | ah, okay | 23:54 |
| tripzero | so the harmattan software isn't necessarily depressing | 23:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | tripzero, it's a part of the depression | 23:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally I've just found the last month or so to be very enthusiasm sapping. | 23:55 |
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| thiago_home | I hope we can do something to win your enthousiasm back | 23:55 |
| CosmoHill | hey GeneralAntilles | 23:56 |
| thiago_home | but 2010 will be a hard year for Nokia | 23:56 |
| tripzero | hmm | 23:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | thiago_home, doubtful. | 23:56 |
| tripzero | well with that kind of attitude ;) | 23:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | tripzero, my optimism with regards to Nokia has been endlessly punished over the past 5 years. *g* | 23:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, if I don't get any hopes up, I wont be disapointed. ;) | 23:58 |
| tripzero | good plan | 23:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | disappointed* | 23:58 |
| tripzero | :) | 23:58 |
| thiago_home | anyway, our largest problem for 2010 will be that there are only 24 hours in a day | 23:59 |
| lcuk | lol thiago | 23:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Plus the fact that Nokia hates their existing customers. ;) | 23:59 |
| inz | thiago, we need more earthquakes! | 23:59 |
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