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| ShadowJK | Anyone know of any disk/fs benchmarking software that can measure max/average/median latencies and such? | 01:38 |
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| ali1234 | hdparm -t (but it only benchmarks the disk, not the FS) | 01:46 |
| ShadowJK | yeah that's useless :) | 01:47 |
| bfree | bonnie++ ? | 01:48 |
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| ShadowJK | let me rephrase, latencies during mixed random read and write | 01:53 |
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| arjan | ShadowJK: tiobench sort of does that | 01:56 |
| arjan | the latest versiont hat is | 01:56 |
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| ShadowJK | hm | 02:07 |
| ShadowJK | my "rsync the squid spool" test on sd had ext4 come out faster than btrfs | 02:07 |
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| arjan | ShadowJK: how beefy is your cpu? | 02:08 |
| arjan | (btrfs checksums data by default, which costs you cycles) | 02:08 |
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| ShadowJK | arjan: 1.2GHz armv5 | 02:18 |
| ShadowJK | there were some brief periods where there was lowish (20-30percent) iowait and the rest in sys | 02:19 |
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| ShadowJK | iirc cksum can be disabled? I should rerun with it off | 02:20 |
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| arjan | ShadowJK: mount with the "nodatasum" option | 02:24 |
| ShadowJK | whwn the cpu use was 60-80 sys, write speed was about 50kbyte/s | 02:25 |
| ShadowJK | and periods of 5000kByte/s too with low sys cpu use :-) | 02:25 |
| arjan | iostat and co count IO at completion time | 02:28 |
| arjan | not at submit time | 02:28 |
| arjan | you spend the cpu just before submit ;) | 02:28 |
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| ShadowJK | it might've been they delayed allocation :) | 02:41 |
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| ShadowJK | i guess what I'd really want to do is replicate the patterns squid causes from caching a single user's intarweb behind a 1Mbit wimax connection, and measure disk/fs latencies | 02:45 |
| ShadowJK | and why squid, no particular reason, it just so happens to run on a flash device, and seemed like an easier point to start at quantifying "lag" than the real world UI response experience on a demand-paging linux kernel with os on mmc-type storage | 02:47 |
| arjan | if you have really slow IO (slower than your CPU); you can also try compression | 02:47 |
| * arjan kinda wonders about the sanity of an OS on cheap MMC storage ;0 | 02:48 | |
| ShadowJK | arjan: yes | 02:48 |
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| ShadowJK | compression doesn't matter much I think... I mean, a 256k write is about as expensive as a 4k write.. :P | 02:48 |
| arjan | depends on the type of storage | 02:49 |
| ShadowJK | cheap flash seems to behave this way anyway | 02:50 |
| ShadowJK | and yeah, os on a mtd nand is much much saner, but realisticallyr I suspect the size of nands available (in volume) will be too cramped :) | 02:50 |
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| ShadowJK | probably quite a few years yet before intel shrinks down their ssd to sd/emmc size I'm guessing :) | 02:54 |
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| * ShadowJK should try learn how to do fancy stuff with git | 02:56 | |
| ShadowJK | maybe I could figure out how to extract logfs from the logfs git and merge with marvell's orion git tree's kernel | 02:57 |
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| Tobarja | are there existing devices that meego will support when it becomes available? | 05:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | Tobarja: since meego is roughly speaking vaporware | 06:08 |
| timeless_mbp | and comes in an unknown number of flavors | 06:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | Tobarja: the most likely candidates are devices which currently run either moblin 2.1 or maemo 5 | 06:09 |
| timeless_mbp | however that's definitely not a guarantee | 06:09 |
| Tobarja | timeless_mbp: ok, thanks. | 06:10 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | evening. | 08:29 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | is there any code anywhere yet? | 08:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | there's moblin code in mxr.moego.org | 08:30 |
| timeless_mbp | there's maemo code in mxr.maemo.org | 08:30 |
| timeless_mbp | there's maemo code in maemo.gitorious.org | 08:31 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | okay, I already have those noted. | 08:31 |
| timeless_mbp | there's moblin code in git.moblin.org | 08:31 |
| timeless_mbp | there's code all over the world | 08:31 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | I get the point. | 08:31 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | sorry, I should have been more specifci :) | 08:31 |
| timeless_mbp | s/fci/fic/ | 08:31 |
| timeless_mbp | i think it's a safe bet that when the answer changes, it'll make news in various places | 08:32 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | I understand | 08:32 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | it just makes me wonder what companies like OpenPeak are using | 08:32 |
| timeless_mbp | apache?, at least openpeak.org seems to be =b | 08:33 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | ;) | 08:33 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | i mean, you get my point, I see announcements for LOTS of different devices | 08:33 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | supposedly "based on meego" | 08:33 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | all for the second half of 2010 | 08:34 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | what, are these guys all at the starting line in Feb? or are they using hacked together toolchains, or? | 08:34 |
| ShadowJK | They took the code from above, printed it out, double sided, soy-based ink, put it in a blender, added 49 eggs, activated blender for 15 minutes, baked in oven for 20 minutes. Delicious cake | 08:34 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd assume moblin | 08:34 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | hm ok | 08:35 |
| timeless_mbp | just a random guess | 08:35 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't have much experience w/ moblin, i've run it in one vm | 08:35 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | <-- lead developer of LinuxMCE, as well as a hardware/industrial designer. | 08:35 |
| timeless_mbp | and i picked up an eeepc (701) which i'd like to run moblin on | 08:35 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | (among other things) | 08:35 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | ouch, not gonna happen | 08:36 |
| timeless_mbp | (i know it isn't supported, but there was a blog about it) | 08:36 |
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| arjan | 701's are sloooooow | 08:42 |
| arjan | they underclocked the cpu on those guys | 08:42 |
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| arjan | to fit in the power envelope | 08:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | arjan: yeah, i know you warned me, but i imported the 701 for a friend a while ago | 08:50 |
| timeless_mbp | and it hasn't been used much, so it was lying around | 08:50 |
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| Mirv | morn | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | morning mirv | 09:56 |
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| Mirv | ohai Myrtti | 10:20 |
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| jrayhawk | There are I think three battery-powered powered USB hubs, all of which are hard to find nowadays. | 11:58 |
| jrayhawk | whoops, wrong room. | 11:59 |
| CosmoHill | why not just get a normal usb hub, a battery back and a 5v regulator? | 11:59 |
| CosmoHill | at some point I will try that with a wifi webcam | 11:59 |
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| jrayhawk | Please post results methodology and results somewhere google will index it. | 12:00 |
| jrayhawk | man i can't even compose sentences. I should go to bed. | 12:00 |
| CosmoHill | ? | 12:00 |
| CosmoHill | wanna give that one another go? | 12:00 |
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| jrayhawk | Please post results and methodology somewhere Google will index it. | 12:01 |
| CosmoHill | i think my website is already indexed | 12:01 |
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| fantomas | i have a quastion about meego...will meego work on the n900? | 12:52 |
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| CosmoHill | most likely | 12:53 |
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| fantomas | hmm...so it's better to wait to buy a n900? | 12:56 |
| CosmoHill | there is stuff about the n900 on the wiki | 12:56 |
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| gour | fantomas: or wait for a new meego device | 13:06 |
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| zaheerm | fantomas, you can compile and install whatever os you want on the n900, and with meego supporting arm + x86 you will be able to install meego on it...if your question is: will nokia provide a fully supported meego os for your n900, then the answer is unknown currently even to a lot of people inside nokia | 13:17 |
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| MAheSHGondi410 | hi , will meego be up for Google summer of Code 2010 | 13:21 |
| MAheSHGondi410 | ? | 13:21 |
| ebassi | MAheSHGondi410: I doubt it | 13:29 |
| ebassi | though I might be completely wrong :-) | 13:30 |
| hkivela | wiki.meego.com search field Go-button gives permission error if not logged in. search button works as expected. | 13:30 |
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| maclaver | MAheSHGondi410: Valerio Valerion (http://www.valeriovalerio.org/) is trying to get something moving on the Summer of Code issue, Maemo participated last year. | 13:36 |
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| townxelliot | hkivela: can't reproduce that on the wiki | 13:49 |
| townxelliot | hkivela: issue occurs if you Go to a page which doesn't exist, as you get redirected to the "Create" page; which you can't edit unless you're logged in | 13:50 |
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| hkivela | I can reproduce ... with n900 browser and firefox under mac + linux | 13:59 |
| hkivela | go to wiki.meego.com, enter "n900" in search box, press Go | 13:59 |
| hkivela | and be sure you have not logged in | 13:59 |
| CosmoHill | "You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reasons: " | 13:59 |
| hkivela | I think it's user friendly to have search working without registering :) | 14:00 |
| CosmoHill | guess that means there isn't a page at the moment and you can't create a new one | 14:00 |
| hkivela | that happens when pressing Go or enter (keyboard) ... Search button works | 14:00 |
| * CosmoHill hasn't registered | 14:00 | |
| slaine | I just tried it here on a Mac and it worked | 14:00 |
| X-Fade | hkivela: That means the page with that exact name doesn't exist. | 14:00 |
| X-Fade | hkivela: Go != Search. | 14:00 |
| hkivela | what should the Go then do? | 14:01 |
| hkivela | it's in the search form | 14:01 |
| hkivela | why are there two buttons :) | 14:01 |
| X-Fade | hkivela: If you know the name of a wiki page, you can directly 'GO' to it. | 14:01 |
| hkivela | ah ok. I guess many users wont get that, they'll just think search is broken | 14:02 |
| X-Fade | hkivela: That is why I removed it in the wiki.maemo.org template. | 14:02 |
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| townxelliot | it's a matter of taste - it's pretty much a stock MediaWiki install at the moment - anything which people want to change can be argued for/against (I turned on file uploads last week, for example) | 14:07 |
| townxelliot | meego-community mailing list is most likely to reach the right people | 14:08 |
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| hkivela | would be nice to have a wiki or other page listing all moblin/maemo/meego devices and their characteristics? | 14:10 |
| townxelliot | hkivela: go ahead and make it ;) | 14:11 |
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| hkivela | was expecting that answer ;) | 14:12 |
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| slaine | It already does at the moment, i.e. it's empty ;) | 14:15 |
| niqt | hi | 14:19 |
| niqt | why this link is broken http://meego.com/downloads/trunk/repo/ia32/os/image-config/ | 14:19 |
| slaine | The meego repo's aren't online yet | 14:19 |
| CosmoHill | it'sprobably a place holder | 14:19 |
| slaine | originally, when the how to make a meego trunk image where made, they where just a copy of the moblin trunk repo's | 14:19 |
| niqt | ok | 14:20 |
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| Corsac | maclaver: where did you get that link from? | 14:24 |
| Corsac | hmhmh | 14:24 |
| Corsac | s/maclaver/niqt/ | 14:24 |
| niqt | http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation | 14:25 |
| Corsac | yeah, repo.meego.com is not available anymore | 14:26 |
| Corsac | and redirects to www.meego.com/download, but no files there | 14:26 |
| Corsac | the wikipage should probably edited | 14:26 |
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| wazd_e63 | Hello meego | 15:44 |
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| pillar_ | bye maemo | 15:47 |
| wazd_e63 | Not so fast I guess :) | 15:48 |
| wazd_e63 | Maemo is not a code or a trademark only | 15:48 |
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| pillar_ | not so fast for meego as well :) | 15:48 |
| pillar_ | yeah true | 15:48 |
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| wazd_e63 | I, personaly, can't be rebranded that fast :P | 15:50 |
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| pavi | Does meego run on EEE Pc ? | 16:00 |
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| pavi | I have just tried moblin on my eee its very usable. I have seen that meego is the future ! | 16:01 |
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| wazd_e63 | Pavi: I suppose meego doesn't run now even in intel/nokia's heads :) | 16:06 |
| wazd_e63 | Pavi: too early to judge or test | 16:06 |
| pavi | wazd_e63, ahh ok . I heard something about meego on N900 | 16:07 |
| wazd_e63 | Pavi: but since moblin runs well on Eeee(e) - I think meego will do the same | 16:08 |
| pavi | wazd, ok . Is there a test version which I can try out ? | 16:09 |
| slaine | no | 16:09 |
| wazd_e63 | Pavi: there's no test version yet | 16:10 |
| slaine | pavi: read the FAQ, it answers some common questions | 16:10 |
| pavi | slaine, hank you | 16:10 |
| pavi | *t | 16:11 |
| slaine | np | 16:11 |
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| mchua | sumanah, meet heffer. heffer, sumanah | 16:17 |
| sumanah | hi heffer | 16:17 |
| heffer | hi sumanah \o/ | 16:17 |
| mchua | sumanah: heffer is the fellow from Fedora who's trying to pull together (along with a few others) resources for learning RPM packaging | 16:17 |
| mchua | which might be helpful to the folks in here | 16:17 |
| heffer | right | 16:17 |
| sumanah | great idea! | 16:17 |
| mchua | heffer: sumanah has been around the mobile FOSS world and was the one who tipped me off to the project potentially needing RPM learnin'-fu | 16:17 |
| heffer | okay | 16:18 |
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| sumanah | yeah, the day of the meego announcement, people here & in #maemo were all | 16:18 |
| sumanah | "but how?" | 16:18 |
| heffer | so what's our target audience here? people that are developers already? | 16:18 |
| sumanah | yeah, that's what I'd say | 16:18 |
| sumanah | at least at first | 16:18 |
| sumanah | especially people coming from Maemo | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | i feel a little like reading a play atm cos your talk seems very coordinated ;) | 16:19 |
| * sumanah moves stage left | 16:19 | |
| Hydroxide | sumanah: followed by a bear? | 16:19 |
| sumanah | :) | 16:19 |
| Hydroxide | hi sumana! | 16:19 |
| heffer | okay. i think we'll do this as (what we in Fedora call) a FAD (Fedora Activity Day) | 16:20 |
| sumanah | hi Hydroxide! | 16:20 |
| mchua | From what I gathered earlier, people who were doing deb packaging were also doing it via some sort of script helper, so there may be people who may not have directly hand-made packages before. | 16:20 |
| heffer | i was thinking of having a IRC Classroom as a basic introduction to RPM Packaging and after that have people package some apps and have folks from Fedora around to do Q&A | 16:20 |
| mchua | But I am not sure if this is correct - poor memory + little context = possible misinterpretation ;) | 16:20 |
| heffer | we'll be concentrating beautifully hand-crafted spec files :D | 16:21 |
| heffer | +on | 16:21 |
| sumanah | btw, if you want a sense of how people were writing apps for Maemo 5 (Fremantle, runs on the N900): http://blogs.gnome.org/tthurman/2009/09/06/n900-tutorial-contents/ | 16:21 |
| mchua | heffer: so when I was in Raleigh and asked a couple packagers (who happened to be in the same room at the time for a FAD) how they'd teach packaging, they actually suggested the reverse | 16:21 |
| heffer | okay | 16:21 |
| sumanah | espec http://blogs.gnome.org/tthurman/2009/09/06/writing-apps-for-the-n900-part-2-packaging/ on .deb packaging | 16:22 |
| heffer | i don't own a N900 unfortunately. but that is still on the todo list. they seem to be out of stock everywhere in germany atm. | 16:22 |
| sumanah | I don't actually know whether Meego will end up running on the N900 or just on future devices | 16:22 |
| heffer | mchua, first Q&A then the Classroom? | 16:23 |
| sumanah | heffer: I think the Q&A and IRC classroom on RPM packaging sounds like a fine idea; Quim Gil might have more ideas http://flors.wordpress.com/2010/02/15/maemo-moblin-meego-join-us/ | 16:23 |
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| heffer | sumanah, great. thanks for the links. | 16:24 |
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| mchua | heffer: Yeah, 4-step process | 16:24 |
| mchua | 1) read general rpm-intro docs to get an idea of what this "packaging" thing is | 16:25 |
| sumanah | heffer: also, http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-February/thread.html includes mega-discussion about "RPMs vs DEB" in case you want to pick up possible helpers or sample questions there | 16:25 |
| Stskeeps | or go insane in the process | 16:25 |
| mchua | 2) have a set of existing (already-packaged) simple packages - don't look at the spec files, but try to package those items, then do a diff between your spec file and the "real" one to "check your work" and ask questions on the diffs | 16:25 |
| heffer | sumanah, yeah. i followed that thread for a while :) | 16:25 |
| heffer | mchua, that sounds like a good idea | 16:26 |
| mchua | 3) once that's comfy, then pick a package (meego package, in this case I suppose) that *hasn't* been packaged, and go through it as far as possible before you get stuck, before the classroom | 16:26 |
| mchua | 4) go to the classroom, now knowing which specific parts of the process you need to watch for, and what things you need to be unstuck on | 16:26 |
| * sumanah likes that process | 16:26 | |
| sumanah | you'd need mentors to guide people through those steps | 16:27 |
| mchua | heffer: requires a lot more advance prep... we'd have to curate resources and pick out some simple packages the meego folks would be interested in looking at (i mean, bookmarks.html is nice but not... related to mobile in any way) | 16:27 |
| mchua | and yeah, like sumanah said, mentors | 16:27 |
| sumanah | Stskeeps: seem a little less coordinated and play-like now? :) | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | i do support what you're planning, :) | 16:27 |
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| heffer | mchua, right. so i think it would be okay to say we need at least that next week while im on holiday to prepare stuff | 16:28 |
| sumanah | is there already a meego wiki page or email list thread with at least some barebones "here are some resources for learning RPM" links? | 16:29 |
| heffer | also i'm not really sure about the day to do such event. i'd assume the weekend is more suitable for most of the devs? | 16:29 |
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| sumanah | heffer: actually it's unclear to me | 16:31 |
| sumanah | 376 folks here -- you could do a doodle poll | 16:32 |
| heffer | sounds like an idea | 16:32 |
| sumanah | http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-March/000634.html - you wanna join the packaging working group? | 16:32 |
| heffer | but first we need to determine which week we want to do it | 16:33 |
| heffer | but is it a "Debian Packaging Meego Working Group"? | 16:33 |
| heffer | because that would exclude RPM :) i don't have much knowledge about dpkg | 16:33 |
| sumanah | if you have a couple good links on HOWTO learn RPM on your own, putting them on http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging could be a good first step so people aren't just hanging till the workshop/Q&A/classroom | 16:35 |
| heffer | okay. i'll compile a little collection on howtos and stuff so people can get started | 16:36 |
| sumanah | right | 16:36 |
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| Stskeeps | sumanah: we have a workgroup for repository which is less specific | 16:38 |
| sumanah | heffer: and for completeness's sake: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44597 is the Maemo.org community thread re the switch to RPMs | 16:38 |
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| sumanah | hard to use built-in search to search the maemo.org site for "rpm" since it's too short & the search engine treats it as a stopword! | 16:41 |
| sumanah | but http://pys60.garage.maemo.org/doc/dist/creating-rpms.html has some guidance | 16:41 |
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| sumanah | heffer: and https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9067 shows that you might be able to grab Bartosz Taudul as one of those mentors :) | 16:45 |
| povbot | Bug 9067: Consider using RPM Package Manager instead of dpkg | 16:45 |
| mgedmin | interesting, I don't remember telling povbot to react to bug numbers on #meego | 16:46 |
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| sumanah | mchua, heffer - I'm gonna pop out of this channel now but it sounds like you have a plan and are basically all set; happy to provide more advice if you want it :) | 16:57 |
| heffer | sumanah, okay. thanks for your help so far | 16:57 |
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| javispedro | mgedmin: povbot is self aware | 17:09 |
| javispedro | mgedmin: btw, easy to enable searching on #meego irc logs? | 17:09 |
| mgedmin | let me see, I wasn't aware that it was broken | 17:11 |
| mgedmin | oh, right, I need to fiddle with apache config a bit | 17:11 |
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| mgedmin | javispedro, fixed | 17:14 |
| javispedro | mgedmin: thanks. | 17:14 |
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| * CosmoHill does his C++ tutorial | 19:05 | |
| VLJ | CosmoHill > it appears that old nvidia drivers (pre 185.36.18) work with moblin | 19:07 |
| CosmoHill | interesting | 19:07 |
| VLJ | but i didnt manage to make them compiling, there is a bug with kernel headers | 19:07 |
| CosmoHill | ah | 19:07 |
| arjan | compiling is overrated | 19:07 |
| VLJ | i hope meego image will be available soon | 19:08 |
| CosmoHill | VLJ: I had to reboot mine because yum updated my kernel | 19:08 |
| VLJ | or at least "moblin 2.2 preview" | 19:08 |
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| CosmoHill | nooooooooooo | 19:24 |
| CosmoHill | bus error >.< | 19:24 |
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| CosmoHill | mine if i ask a quick CPP question | 23:35 |
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| auke | #ifdef reason | 23:37 |
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| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1COcy40b_c&feature=sub Demonstration of instant loading of games from SD card, abiword, pdf, filebrowser, battery life looking to be 10 hours plus (pandora) | 23:40 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but is it in the hands of those who preordered yet? | 23:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:40 |
| pupnik | suggest using .pnd for install-less applications on meego | 23:41 |
| pupnik | no that will take a while | 23:41 |
| CosmoHill | can i go "nodeClass myNode" and then define the "nodeClass" later on? | 23:42 |
| CosmoHill | as in 20 lines down the page | 23:42 |
| javispedro | install-less applications can only come when they have no dependencies. | 23:42 |
| Stskeeps | class nodeClass; beforehand and it might work :P | 23:42 |
| CosmoHill | thanks | 23:43 |
| * CosmoHill sighs | 23:43 | |
| CosmoHill | i need to repair my laptop | 23:43 |
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| CosmoHill | screen casing is coming undone and the dent is getting worse | 23:43 |
| tripzero | arjan, will meego have nouveau enabled in the kernel? | 23:44 |
| tripzero | and will btrfs have compression on by default? | 23:45 |
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| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: this is the problem when you expand a program each week | 23:48 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, normally app expansion does not make the pysical screen dent or bulge! | 23:49 |
| lcuk | thats one hell of a patch if it does | 23:50 |
| arjan | tripzero: unknown on nouveau yet... needs to work well enough | 23:51 |
| arjan | btrfs compression on normal netbooks we'd likely not use, but I suspect it'll depend on the speed of storage (vs speed of cpu) | 23:51 |
| arjan | we're working with the btrfs guys to have a per file compression flag | 23:51 |
| arjan | so we can do it selective | 23:51 |
| CosmoHill | lol | 23:52 |
| tripzero | nouveau sucks on ubuntu 10.04 | 23:52 |
| CosmoHill | the dent is from when i feel off my bike | 23:53 |
| tripzero | at least on my ION board. but they are using 2.6.32 not 33 | 23:53 |
| tripzero | arjan, compression on by default on handsets? | 23:54 |
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| tripzero | i want to run meego in my car | 23:54 |
| Myrtti | I want to run meego in my citrus press | 23:55 |
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| Stskeeps | i want to run meego on my joggler | 23:55 |
| javispedro | didn't e2compr had a perfile flag already? :) | 23:55 |
| tripzero | i want my wife to run meego | 23:55 |
| Myrtti | you would, wouldn't you | 23:56 |
| arjan | tripzero: default for compression.. undecided. again it depends on storage speed and cpu speed (and storage size) | 23:56 |
| tripzero | javispedro, e2compr? | 23:56 |
| javispedro | tripzero: the older ext2 transparent compression "hell-of-a-patch" | 23:56 |
| tripzero | lol, nice | 23:56 |
| arjan | e2compr was scary. | 23:56 |
| arjan | cute, but scary | 23:57 |
| arjan | ext2 was *really* not designed to deal with compression | 23:57 |
| arjan | (unlike btrfs) | 23:57 |
| CosmoHill | arjan: like the rabiits from monty python? | 23:57 |
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