| ali1234 | i built the ubuntu Qt source package, it took about 3-4 hours on my amd quad core | 00:00 |
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| thiago_home | fastest build was qws-ppc (33 min) | 00:01 |
| thiago_home | linux-g++ took 1h13 | 00:01 |
| thiago_home | I think the Sparc machines have lots of cores idling | 00:02 |
| thiago_home | one of them has 16 cores, the other 24 | 00:02 |
| w00t | thiago_home: I occasionally think it would be nice if the build farm results were made public.. is that possible, do you think? | 00:02 |
| w00t | hm | 00:02 |
| thiago_home | but I don't think any build uses anything over -j2 | 00:02 |
| w00t | what make do you run there? gmake? | 00:02 |
| thiago_home | dmake | 00:02 |
| thiago_home | I've asked the QA people to switch to gmake | 00:02 |
| w00t | erk, no experience there | 00:03 |
| thiago_home | anyway, the results are public, kind-of. When the *-stable updates, it's because all platforms built fine. | 00:03 |
| w00t | yes, but master-stable hasn't updated for ..a long time | 00:03 |
| thiago_home | when master or 4.6 update, it's because the main platforms (mac, win, linux, qws, symbian) built fine, without unit test regressions | 00:03 |
| w00t | heh | 00:03 |
| w00t | there's no way that is true | 00:04 |
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| w00t | I tried to build Qt last week, master failed with link failures, 4.6 failed (due to out of tree build, but still..) | 00:04 |
| w00t | master-stable's date: september 09, btw | 00:05 |
| thiago_home | like I said, whenever the tree updates, it's because it has built | 00:05 |
| w00t | sure that system isn't broken? | 00:05 |
| thiago_home | sure | 00:05 |
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| thiago_home | it works like this: the staging areas are pushed directly to | 00:07 |
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| thiago_home | a bot goes over the staging areas, one by one, compiles, runs all the unit tests | 00:07 |
| VLJ | by the way | 00:07 |
| thiago_home | if it works fine, it updates the public branch | 00:07 |
| VLJ | moblin repo trunk is broken | 00:08 |
| timeless_mbp | define broken? | 00:08 |
| VLJ | it tells me "dependency check failed" when i use moblin-image-creator | 00:08 |
| w00t | thiago_home: http://pastebin.com/m1105a0ed <- was master last week, btw | 00:08 |
| thiago_home | when the public branch is updated, a build on all platforms is started. If that builds, then the *-stable branch is updated. | 00:08 |
| VLJ | and when i try to update existing moblin with yum update, | 00:08 |
| thiago_home | w00t: ah, that | 00:09 |
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| VLJ | there is also error message about missing dependencies | 00:09 |
| thiago_home | there's a reason for that | 00:09 |
| VLJ | which one ? | 00:09 |
| thiago_home | the unit test quality gate requires building Qt with support for unit tests | 00:09 |
| thiago_home | that exports some extra symbols | 00:09 |
| thiago_home | those include the ones you were missing. That's why the mistake got past the quality gate. | 00:09 |
| w00t | thiago_home: should we move this discussion elsewhere, btw? we're probably a bit off-track for #meego :-) | 00:09 |
| thiago_home | but not past the *-stable branch | 00:09 |
| thiago_home | #qt-labs | 00:10 |
| w00t | sure | 00:10 |
| thiago_home | btw, everyone interested in development of Qt is welcome there | 00:10 |
| thiago_home | development with Qt is in #qt (i.e., our "user" channel) | 00:10 |
| VLJ | err | 00:10 |
| VLJ | a question about meego and qt I have :) | 00:11 |
| VLJ | is qt-jambi part of "qt support inside meego" ? | 00:11 |
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| w00t | I don't think jambi is officially supported anymore | 00:12 |
| w00t | but I may be wrong | 00:12 |
| w00t | right, ended as of 4.5 it seems | 00:13 |
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| VLJ | sad | 00:13 |
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| VLJ | so there is no way to play with qt inside java anymore ? | 00:13 |
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| w00t | VLJ: well, Jambi is 'community supported' I think, so if you're interested in contributing, they could probably use the help | 00:15 |
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| thiago_home | VLJ: if someone packages Jambi, it can be in MeeGo | 00:16 |
| thiago_home | but I doubt the reference apps will use it | 00:16 |
| w00t | ^ | 00:17 |
| VLJ | ok | 00:17 |
| * CosmoHill wonders who set off his nighlight | 00:17 | |
| CosmoHill | highlight* | 00:18 |
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| CosmoHill | oo that sounds like fun | 00:26 |
| w00t | lcuk: because it is interesting to do so | 00:26 |
| * CosmoHill grrs at his mouse for constantly getting stuck in the top right | 00:26 | |
| lcuk | lol w00t not really, i know i influenced the matrix by talking about it | 00:27 |
| lcuk | but in the few minutes before i had a big cluster of them | 00:27 |
| CosmoHill | well you're from the UK so i don't see the point in whoising you | 00:27 |
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| VLJ | I'm always ending up with a blank screen inside moblin 2.1 | 00:31 |
| VLJ | it's so frustrating | 00:31 |
| pupnik_ | what device runs it VLJ ? | 00:32 |
| CosmoHill | with a blinking underscore? | 00:32 |
| VLJ | nvidia | 00:32 |
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| VLJ | no a white screen | 00:32 |
| VLJ | with a cursor | 00:32 |
| CosmoHill | oh mo | 00:32 |
| CosmoHill | one* | 00:32 |
| CosmoHill | http://black-flag.co.uk/files/broken-ubuntumolbin.jpg like that? | 00:32 |
| VLJ | yup, without the top bar | 00:33 |
| VLJ | and the lower arrow | 00:33 |
| CosmoHill | nvidia drivers installed? | 00:33 |
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| VLJ | yep | 00:33 |
| VLJ | and mutter-moblin from moblin trunk | 00:33 |
| CosmoHill | but it works before, just slow and jerky? | 00:33 |
| VLJ | and mutter too | 00:33 |
| VLJ | yup | 00:33 |
| CosmoHill | same :( | 00:33 |
| VLJ | i don't know what to do | 00:34 |
| VLJ | i have a netbook with a poulsbo chipset too, i won't try to test with IEGD 10.3 driver... | 00:34 |
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| jebba | http://mirrors.kernel.org/moblin/releases/test/beta//images/ | 02:26 |
| jebba | whoops ;) | 02:26 |
| jebba | What's the best moblin device out there, which, perhaps, meego could be ported to in the future? | 02:26 |
| CosmoHill | hmm | 02:27 |
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| CosmoHill | well it doesn't have nvidia :( | 02:27 |
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| jebba | http://moblin.org/downloads/netbook-and-nettop/tested-netbooknettop-hardware | 03:30 |
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| Stskeeps | morning | 07:31 |
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| markey | good morning | 08:01 |
| Stskeeps | morning markey | 08:02 |
| clintcan | Hello | 08:04 |
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| Corsac | ali1234: woot, finished! | 08:36 |
| Corsac | 1207 build-attempted, 39 failed | 08:37 |
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| qgil | (off topic) were you aware that a "#" channel exists @ freenone? | 09:38 |
| qgil | freenode | 09:39 |
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| poutsi | what is that for, metadiscussions? | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | for the unnnamed projects? ;) | 09:41 |
| thiago_home | you mean ## ? | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | nah, # is a perfectly legal name | 09:43 |
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| qgil | http://www.slideshare.net/distimo/distimo-mobile-world-congress-2010-presentation-mobile-application-stores-state-of-play is interesting reading | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | free vs paid being larger on android than apple is a bit surprising | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | ah, reading it wrong | 09:51 |
| slaine | will read that over coffee | 09:51 |
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| slaine | ah aahhhh | 10:40 |
| slaine | He'll save every one of us | 10:40 |
| qgil | I don't know the exact MeeGo implication but anyway I'm sure some of you will be interested about this new Nokia OSS contribution: http://gitorious.org/omap3camera | 10:41 |
| Corsac | qgil: hmhm there's a generic camera stuff in omap3? | 10:44 |
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| qgil | Corsac: don't ask me, you have contacts in the gitorious project :) | 10:46 |
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| qgil | anyway, it's also worth looking who contributed that "generic camera stuff in omap3" | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | qgil: well, the big thing is the ability to hack your camera's sensor.. i wonder what kind of crazy things people can do with that | 10:48 |
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| gour | do you think that one is fine by just following meego (mailing list, irc etc) and skip on moblin/maemo/mer (in order to save some time) ? | 10:50 |
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| Stskeeps | oh, cool - the developer advocate got hired | 10:51 |
| leinir | Eh? :) | 10:51 |
| qgil | Stskeeps: the killer app since the 70s is the camera that you can use in the street showing you people in underware. Can Linux provide that? :P | 10:52 |
| qgil | gour: I guess it depends on your interests - what are they? | 10:52 |
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| frals | no camera can do that in helsinki qgil, people wear waaaay too much clothes ;) | 10:52 |
| qgil | Stskeeps: Ronan is sitting next to me (and typing) :) | 10:52 |
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| qgil | frals: maybe near the saunas | 10:53 |
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| robsta | xray lead aprons will be the next big thing in fashion | 10:53 |
| frals | hehe | 10:53 |
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| Myrtti | near saunas, or Raahe (wrt Google Streetview) | 10:54 |
| gour | qgil: to be able to develop (possibly using wx which will be used for desktop) )for the (meego) platform and then buy some appropriate device when something comes out. before the merge i was researching whether to move to maemo or moblin | 10:54 |
| * gour has asked on wx list about support for meego and it seems that some are interested (one of the core devs) | 10:55 | |
| robsta | gour: i doubt it will be easy to do an appealing mobile app in wx | 10:55 |
| qgil | wx? that's interesting | 10:55 |
| gour | robsta: what if we get wxqt? | 10:56 |
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| robsta | gour: afaik wx doesn't support the "modern" parts like QML | 10:57 |
| robsta | how would it since there's no counterpart on the other platforms | 10:58 |
| slaine | QML is linux only ? | 10:58 |
| hhartz | slaine: nope, it's pure Qt | 10:58 |
| gour | well, i'd not need 'appealing' mobile app, just 'working' one | 10:58 |
| hhartz | slaine: QGraphicsView + JavaScriptCore to be more exact | 10:58 |
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| robsta | gour: then you can just use plain qt i guess? | 10:58 |
| slaine | then why could wxqt utilize QML on other platforms ? | 10:58 |
| * slaine doesn't really care | 10:59 | |
| hhartz | slaine: potentially yes, if wxqt is tracking qt closely | 10:59 |
| hhartz | I don't know wx unfortunately.. | 11:00 |
| gour | robsta: i plan to use wx for desktop (using haskell) and would like to have 'desktop-lite' version as mobile app | 11:00 |
| robsta | gour: i just don't see the point of using wx these days with gtk having fair portability and qt being excellent at that | 11:00 |
| gour | robsta: wx is much better on mac and that's important for me | 11:01 |
| gour | robsta: otoh, i prefer depending on community toolkit...moreover, it's not clear what's happening with qthaskell | 11:02 |
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| robsta | well, fair enough | 11:03 |
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| jebba | wx had a ./configure --with-hildon option, but that is from like N7xx era. | 11:03 |
| hhartz | gour: we've been working pretty hard on our Mac/Cocoa port - so I hope the mac story will improve | 11:03 |
| gour | jebba: yeah, that's old | 11:04 |
| hhartz | I'm a mac fanatic myself ;) | 11:04 |
| gour | having wxqt would be cool | 11:04 |
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| hhartz | gour: that will only happen in the community. we don't have resources to have any other bindings than JavaScript.. | 11:05 |
| gour | hhartz: you think about qthaskell? | 11:05 |
| hhartz | gour: never tried haskell - I was more of a LISP head in my Uni days :) | 11:06 |
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| gour | hhartz: pls. try it. you'll like it (if you have some taste for FP) ;) | 11:06 |
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| hhartz | gour: but, Qt provides some enablers that make the edges of C++ a bit softer | 11:07 |
| hhartz | gour: would love to, but don't have nearly enough time.. | 11:07 |
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| gour | if there would be active project to provide qthaskell bindings, i'd seriously consider it...however, considering i need desktop app as well, i decided to use wx over gtk+ | 11:09 |
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| hrw | morning | 11:22 |
| gour | back to original questio...if i'm interested for the future (meego), is there any need to follow maemo/mer/moblin stuff? | 11:22 |
| gour | *question | 11:22 |
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| slaine | gour, yes | 11:26 |
| gour | slaine: why? | 11:26 |
| slaine | I'm of the opinion that the more you know the better placed you'll be | 11:27 |
| gour | i'm curious how much will e.g. happen in moblin itself after merge? | 11:27 |
| slaine | as am I | 11:27 |
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| slaine | I'd guess nothing | 11:28 |
| gour | otoh, i won't use maemo5 as well, and it seems maemo6 will be meego | 11:28 |
| slaine | We just don't know | 11:28 |
| tybollt | nobody knows shit | 11:28 |
| tybollt | yet we're not supposed to worry about it? :) | 11:28 |
| achipa | gour: hardly, it's MeeGo only by name | 11:29 |
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| tybollt | That's like when the italian mobster puts a gun to your head and goes "don't worry about it!" | 11:29 |
| tybollt | :) | 11:29 |
| slaine | initial guesstimates on my part was that MeeGo 1.0 would Moblin 2.2 + Qt apps. That was based on various things I'd heard around the moblin side. But the more time went on the clearer it became that things just hadn't been finalized. | 11:29 |
| gour | achipa: but Moblin is also not much more...we probably won't see 2.2 | 11:29 |
| robsta | gour: don't worry too much about the platform, especially if you're using wx anyway | 11:29 |
| robsta | gour: just focus on making a nice app | 11:30 |
| slaine | thats true | 11:30 |
| tybollt | "Make the apps, we can make the OS later"? | 11:30 |
| gour | robsta: thanks you for that | 11:30 |
| gour | *thank | 11:30 |
| achipa | except it's sometimes a bit hard to focus on nice apps when you don't know the APIs :) | 11:30 |
| robsta | gour: trying to follow everything is just distracting | 11:30 |
| slaine | achipa: API's to use are already out there | 11:31 |
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| gour | robsta: true. that's why i think to focus on meego only | 11:31 |
| benbrown | I guess it depends when you want to release it. If it's in the next year then maemo/moblin will still be current | 11:31 |
| achipa | slaine: which APIs ? The only known API is Qt itself | 11:31 |
| benbrown | If you write nice, portable code it shouldn't be an issue ;) | 11:31 |
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| qgil_ | benbrown: the next year = 2011? | 11:32 |
| gour | benbrown: you think we'll see some new moblin-based devices? moblin focused on clutter-based UI, but i wonder what will happen with it in meego | 11:33 |
| achipa | benbrown: that applies only if you need little to no integration with the system. Wander into HW/location/multimedia/social waters and there goes portability... | 11:33 |
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| thiago | see the Qt Mobility APIs | 11:34 |
| thiago | though those are not in Qt itself (yet) | 11:35 |
| slaine | achipa, very true | 11:35 |
| tybollt | seriously how can anyone accept making apps for an OS that doesn't exist yet? :S | 11:35 |
| slaine | I'm basing that on the fact that there's a lot of cross tech as regards infra libs on maemo and moblin. | 11:36 |
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| slaine | tybollt: that doesn't stop anyone. There's already a Debian port of the non-existent OS ;) | 11:37 |
| achipa | thiago: the stuff listed in the MeeGo arch (middleware/services) seems somewhat disconnected from QtMobility... | 11:37 |
| thiago | achipa: those are the low-level middleware | 11:42 |
| thiago | Qt will probably present a cross-platform API on top of that | 11:42 |
| thiago | on top of gstreamer (MM), connman (bearer), etc. | 11:42 |
| thiago | but if you want to use those middleware in your app, feel free to do so | 11:43 |
| thiago | don't expect your app to run on Symbian though | 11:43 |
| qgil_ | think also Web Runtime, that will provide API beyond pure GUI (not released, but in its way) | 11:44 |
| achipa | no, no, using stuff on that pretty level is a sure way to some hair-pulling, but it's good to know there will be something that wraps those things in a generic fashion :) | 11:44 |
| thiago | well, Qt devs are working on it | 11:44 |
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| thiago | but so far there's no guarantee that the Mobility work will make it into MeeGo (unless it makes into Qt first, but that requires also working on other platforms) | 11:45 |
| thiago | my guess is it will, since Harmattan will use those | 11:45 |
| thiago | btw, backends missing for MeeGo? Think of that as an opportunity :-) | 11:45 |
| achipa | as I said on the list, it's a bit hard to see what is what with regard to known Maemo/Qt components (Qt proper, QtMobility, DUI, etc) | 11:45 |
| thiago | so far, Qt is the only guarantee | 11:46 |
| thiago | the rest is up for discussion | 11:46 |
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| jebba | I'm trying to build libdui on F12. It's giving me lots of: "moc: Invalid argument" | 12:16 |
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| Stskeeps | on device? | 12:16 |
| jebba | no, on x86_64 | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 12:17 |
| jebba | i lost my f12 on device due to corruption when battery died :( | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | ext2 or ext3? :P | 12:17 |
| jebba | ext3... | 12:17 |
| thiago | jebba: where exactly is the failure? And what was passed to moc? | 12:17 |
| jebba | thiago: i'm not certain what is passed to moc. Failure is like this: http://pastebin.ca/1816860 | 12:18 |
| thiago | you don't see the command-line from make? | 12:19 |
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| jebba | I don't see the particular command line in the Makefile (nor does make show it, afaict) | 12:20 |
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| jebba | `git clone git://gitorious.org/maemo-6-ui-framework/libdui.git` | 12:21 |
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| Sage | jebba: Have you had any luck with touchscreen on fedora 12 arm on n900? | 12:25 |
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| hhartz | thiago: jebba: funky Qt version? | 12:38 |
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| jebba | Sage: yes. See http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Fedora | 12:56 |
| jebba | hhartz: qt-devel from f12. qt-devel-4.6.2-1.fc12.x86_64 | 12:56 |
| tybollt | jebba: scary shitz >:) | 12:57 |
| jebba | ah, i bet i know what it is. It needs to use `moc-qt4` instead of moc. I had to change qmake to qmake-qt4 as well. | 12:57 |
| Sage | jebba: "... but I don't have the touchscreen working. I can do touchscreen calibration though..." The actual question was any progress since this comment? :) | 12:59 |
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| jebba | ah, yes, i do have touchscreen working fully. Well, I did until my FS corrupted. | 13:01 |
| jebba | (due to battery loss9 | 13:01 |
| Sage | :( | 13:06 |
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| qgil_ | (slightly off-topic: anybody with a GMA 500 powered netbook with a recommendation for a Linux OS? Moblin won't work beyond a plain 800x600 GNOME desktop) | 13:12 |
| Mek | won't all linux distributions have the same lack-of-driver issueas? | 13:13 |
| bva | any progress over the weekend with the Meego Community (eg website tools) | 13:13 |
| bva | ? | 13:13 |
| Sage | qgil_: ubuntu 9.10? | 13:13 |
| Mek | or if one distro has a working driver, why won't that driver work for moblin | 13:14 |
| timeless_mbp | Intel GMA - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to GMA 500 on Linux‎: GMA 500 support on Linux is not optimal. The driver is developed by Tungsten Graphics, not by Intel, and the graphic core is ... | 13:14 |
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| * timeless_mbp chuckles | 13:14 | |
| timeless_mbp | qgil: it's a bad sign when that's the first hit from google | 13:14 |
| lucent | sell the hardware | 13:14 |
| lucent | that is my best (serious) advice | 13:15 |
| jebba | qgil ubuntu has a moblin remix. I dont know how current it is. | 13:15 |
| Sage | qgil_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCardsPoulsbo/ | 13:15 |
| timeless_mbp | mek: typically each distro has its own confusing driver support story | 13:15 |
| qgil_ | Mek: I don't feel the pleasure of being one of the first ones trying, having to use something nobody has packaged for such distro before :) | 13:15 |
| timeless_mbp | some will auto configure, some will refuse to make available | 13:15 |
| tekojo | http://www.darrenkitchen.net/run-ubuntu-9-10-on-the-nokia-booklet-3g-perfectly | 13:15 |
| tekojo | just a wild guess on the netbook model :) | 13:15 |
| qgil_ | Sage: yes, but my first attempt installing Ubuntu via USB failed... I'll try again | 13:15 |
| lucent | qgil_: if/when that binary blob gets reimplemented by an open source project, humans will have set foot on planet Mars | 13:15 |
| Mek | I'll find out soon enough myself I guess, my gma-500 based netbook is to be delivered today... | 13:16 |
| qgil_ | tekojo: saw that and yes it's for the Booklet, this is why I tried with Ubuntu first (anyway my current distro in my laptop) | 13:16 |
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| qgil_ | lucent: I'm not even asking for open source implementation, as long as my netbook works | 13:17 |
| tekojo | http://www.happyassassin.net/2009/08/10/intel-gma500-poulsbo-on-fedora-11-repository-with-working-3d-compiz-support/ | 13:19 |
| tekojo | seems like Fedora would work too | 13:19 |
| qgil_ | I dig a bit about this GMA 500 until I found a name I hade heard somewhere before... | 13:21 |
| qgil_ | ... PowerVR, I think it was..... | 13:21 |
| qgil_ | ;) | 13:21 |
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| qgil_ | Attention bloggers: http://wiki.meego.com/News_and_Planet | 13:34 |
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| RichiH | how did the rpm vs deb debate turn out? | 15:01 |
| tybollt | no please not that again | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | RichiH: people spawned Debian Mobile, rest of us went back to work | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:02 |
| RichiH | i am asking, not discussing :) | 15:02 |
| gour | isn't it 'resolved' rpm will be used? | 15:02 |
| slaine | It was never up for debate, but that didn't stop anyone | 15:02 |
| slaine | ergo there was nothing to resolve | 15:03 |
| RichiH | which still does not give me an answer to my initial question | 15:03 |
| Shrik3 | rpm won | 15:04 |
| Shrik3 | deb lost | 15:04 |
| Shrik3 | clear enough? | 15:04 |
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| Shrik3 | actually rpm won before the debate even started | 15:04 |
| slaine | see my comment | 15:04 |
| Shrik3 | yep, just like you said, but it seems RichiH has trouble undestanding =) | 15:05 |
| slaine | :) | 15:05 |
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| Stskeeps | RichiH: the argument is that there's a whole toolset (imager, builder, qa etc etc) already set up around rpm in the project and getting same degree of production quality and toolset will take many months to create around deb | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | as most debian tools are well, based around debian.org :) | 15:06 |
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| tybollt | :S | 15:09 |
| tybollt | when I hear "buntu"I will jump the window | 15:09 |
| gouverneur | it was looking so good... but then mee'buntu'... | 15:12 |
| gouverneur | tybollt: sorry couldn't hold it | 15:12 |
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| slaine | sounds like some sort of Dublin slang, kiss me buntu | 15:15 |
| * tybollt does the "Oh noes" and pops like a lemming | 15:16 | |
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| gouverneur | 'what will be next?' is a good question... | 15:19 |
| slaine | MeeGo 1.0 hopefully ;) | 15:20 |
| Basstard` | I haven't been looking much, but how far has development gone with "Me Ego"? | 15:22 |
| qgilN900 | we are only weeks away from a first unstable release | 15:22 |
| qgilN900 | since both Maemo and Moblihn exists, a lot of the initial time is put integrating bricks rather than pure "MeeGo development" | 15:23 |
| Basstard` | Any screenshots of the GUI, or drawings? | 15:24 |
| qgilN900 | Intel and Nokia teams continue devel oping at component level | 15:24 |
| gouverneur | Basstard`: thats far away from interesting... | 15:25 |
| qgilN900 | not public (I'm not sure about the netbook UX part) | 15:25 |
| jebba | Basstard`: http://qt.gitorious.org/maemo-6-ui-framework | 15:25 |
| jebba | qgilN900: won't it be based on that? | 15:26 |
| qgilN900 | but think that MeeGo will provide UX "references" that then vendors are free to use as such or modify | 15:26 |
| qgilN900 | oops need to go | 15:26 |
| qgilN900 | really :) | 15:26 |
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| slaine | There's conflicting info there to be honest | 15:29 |
| slaine | The diagrams suggest it's all Qt with Clutter/GTK+ as legacy support, but the Netbook page clearly shows the currently Moblin UI rethemed for MeeGo | 15:30 |
| leinir | slaine: It's a marketing made diagram... take it with a grain of salt ;) | 15:30 |
| * gour thinks gtk+ won't be there for long | 15:30 | |
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| jebba | Perhaps both will be used, and that's WTF the UX remixes are or somesuch. Like pick MeeGo, then pick the netbook (clutter) interface, or the small interface (ala QT/libdui) | 15:31 |
| leinir | !QT | 15:31 |
| jebba | oh, i bet gtk will be there *forever* | 15:31 |
| leinir | Absolutely - if nothing else because there's way too many zealots out there who still believe the licensing FUD :) | 15:32 |
| slaine | leinir: Oh I know, diagram aside, Qt is the only toolkit that's actively recommended on the site at present. Clutter/GTK+ is clearly being downplayed. | 15:32 |
| leinir | (for better or worse, it'll mean that GTK is going to stay 'round :) ) | 15:32 |
| leinir | slaine: hence the community support thing :) | 15:32 |
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| RichiH | Stskeeps: thanks | 15:32 |
| slaine | That leaves huge questions of course as to the basic infrastructure of the platform | 15:34 |
| slaine | As currently the bulk of non Intel developed apps are standard Gnome/GTK+ applications | 15:34 |
| slaine | Terminal, FileManager etc. | 15:34 |
| slaine | I can't see how Community supported interface libraries could be used as the basis for fundamental infrastructure | 15:35 |
| X-Fade | slaine: If you stay close to upstream it is probably ok. | 15:39 |
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| slaine | X-Fade: as a commercial distro aimed at OEMs and ODMs and ISV's etc. I can't see how that would suffice. ICBW though | 15:42 |
| X-Fade | slaine: Well, for maemo gtk was patched a lot. | 15:43 |
| X-Fade | slaine: But if you are really 'working with upstream' ;) | 15:43 |
| slaine | X-Fade: yes, but, one distro, one distributor. Arguably, somewhat different. And Hildon/GTK as a deprecated toolkit hasn't shipped yet iinm. | 15:45 |
| slaine | But as you say, if you stick to upstream, it shouldn't be an issue | 15:46 |
| X-Fade | It all depends on if the upstream version has the features you want, I guess. | 15:46 |
| slaine | nod, and the tools I'm talking about here, nautilus, gnome-terminal etc aren't bleeding edge gtk+ users | 15:47 |
| slaine | and are well supported by the community | 15:47 |
| X-Fade | But gnome has proven not to be very low resolution friendly, so there are issues in the mobile platform. | 15:48 |
| slaine | Yeah, very true | 15:49 |
| X-Fade | So technically it might work. | 15:49 |
| X-Fade | If it is very user friendly, I don't know. | 15:49 |
| slaine | Not having seen a Moblin for MID release, I'm afraid I'm not sure how they handled something like accessing media on an SD card that was inserted for example | 15:49 |
| X-Fade | dbus is the answer to everything ;) | 15:50 |
| slaine | And MID was as low a resolution they where aiming for with that UX. There where other vendor driven experiences for phones | 15:50 |
| slaine | At least, that's my assumption from what I read on news etc. | 15:50 |
| slaine | I often say things that makes it sound like I know what I'm talking about ;) | 15:50 |
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| Votan | Does Moblin 2.1 support the pinetrail platform or is this planned for MeeGo 1.0 ? | 18:30 |
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| tripzero | Votan, it should support it | 18:36 |
| tripzero | i had moblin on my 410 netbook | 18:36 |
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| VLJ | hi | 19:26 |
| VLJ | i almost got poulsbo working on moblin 2.1 | 19:26 |
| VLJ | ...almost | 19:26 |
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| poutsi | I tried to get F12 to install onto a netbook with gma500 the other day, to see what moblin was like... the horror.. the horror | 19:35 |
| poutsi | every installer i managed to geet on a usb stick failed in myriad ways | 19:35 |
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| poutsi | must've been a heavy bogon flux around here | 19:35 |
| VLJ | in fact i used virtualbox and IEGD 10.3 drivers | 19:35 |
| VLJ | and ive got half of the moblin ui | 19:35 |
| VLJ | that is, all the open gl effect | 19:35 |
| VLJ | but every panel is blank | 19:36 |
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| VLJ | GMA 500 doesnt support opengl very well | 19:46 |
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| poutsi | it does seem a bit sketchy (I have it working in Karmic) | 19:51 |
| poutsi | google earth and the clutter-powered unr netbook launcher cause some glitches | 19:51 |
| poutsi | but compiz seems to work fine | 19:51 |
| VLJ | i couldnt run compiz :/ | 19:52 |
| VLJ | under karmic | 19:52 |
| VLJ | dont know why | 19:52 |
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| poutsi | I essentially just used http://gma500re.altervista.org/scripts/poulsbo_ppa.sh in a fresh install | 19:54 |
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| sivang | GMT evening all. | 22:09 |
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