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| slaine | Of course, of course, I can do that, and have done to get around this particular problem | 00:01 |
| slaine | well, when it was my non-obs scripts I did. Now I'm trying build as your suggestions. i'm just confused as to how the internal build setup is working when clearly there's issues with the packages. | 00:02 |
| slaine | Or rather, how it worked | 00:03 |
| slaine | So all this pita stuff from me is simply trying to understand why it's wrong and potentially fixing it rather than just hacking something together | 00:04 |
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| slaine | right, I'm off | 00:43 |
| slaine | catch you lot tomorrow | 00:43 |
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| Votan | btw u guys should seriously consider getting these guys to work on ur interface: http://www.tat.se/ | 01:25 |
| Votan | cant wait tog et that home screen on my Nexus One | 01:25 |
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| Amby | LOL, Facebbok has 2 popular MeeGo groups. One is founded mostly by Intel employees, the other by Nokia employees. | 01:32 |
| thiago_home | tsdgeos: sometimes, but it's 1:30 am in Finland now | 01:32 |
| thiago_home | tsdgeos: try during the day :-) | 01:32 |
| daumas | Amby: What is Facebook? | 01:33 |
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| qgil | ping? testing XChat in N900 | 06:09 |
| openstandards | qgil, it works | 06:09 |
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| qgil | openstandards thanks for the pong! | 06:12 |
| openstandards | oi i ain't smelly j/k :) | 06:15 |
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| qgil | hum, apparently didn't survive my the change from wlan to 3G, if you answered my question few minutes ago please repost :) | 06:26 |
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| qgil | IRC On The Go is a weird feeling but I' getting used to it | 06:41 |
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| qgil | pity that most humans here are sleeping in my morning commuting time :) | 06:42 |
| qgil | otherwise it would be perfect | 06:42 |
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| mamoul | hello buddies | 06:49 |
| mamoul | glad something is finally being done about moblin's woeful inadequacy | 06:49 |
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| svanheulen | ... when you put it that way... sounds like it should add a lot to maemo :/ | 06:50 |
| mamoul | :/ | 06:51 |
| mamoul | my complaint is rooted based on the fact that moblin has such awesome potential | 06:51 |
| mamoul | forward movement will yield a great reward | 06:51 |
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| svanheulen | never used moblin before so no clue | 06:52 |
| mamoul | imho moblin lacked the development power to quickly rectify its problems | 06:52 |
| svanheulen | i'm just worried about my nokia n900 getting neglected | 06:52 |
| mamoul | just a lot of little refinement issues to give it completeness and professionalism | 06:52 |
| mamoul | don't worry | 06:52 |
| mamoul | so you've been using maemo already | 06:52 |
| mamoul | that feels weird | 06:52 |
| mamoul | I only used moblin :p | 06:52 |
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| svanheulen | well maemo 5 seems like kind of mess to me anyway so i'm hoping this will help but kinda worried it wont run on the n900 | 06:53 |
| qgil | in one sentence: 3 most urgent thing MeeGo should address? | 06:53 |
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| svanheulen | hmmm | 06:54 |
| mamoul | it's like when redhat merged with fedora | 06:54 |
| mamoul | who were these fedora people | 06:55 |
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| qgil | I'm asking seriously :) I'm working full time in MeeGo (from Nokia) | 06:57 |
| svanheulen | what, i thought fedora was just a branch off of redhat? i remember when fedora started but that was before i knew linux much | 06:58 |
| svanheulen | qgil, i think the mail client needs a LOT of work | 06:59 |
| qgil | sure, since there is no MeeGo email client released at all ;) | 06:59 |
| svanheulen | also, it would be really nice for a way to know if an app you're installing is optified or not | 07:00 |
| svanheulen | but i guess if i'm using testing/devel that's my problem | 07:00 |
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| qgil | no opt specified for MeeGo that I'm aware of... | 07:00 |
| mamoul | yeah fedora was a prexisting project but I knew nothing about it | 07:00 |
| mamoul | when it merged with redhat linux I just saw it as redhat linux :p | 07:00 |
| qgil | I'm not asking about Maemo 5, but the MeeGo project | 07:00 |
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| svanheulen | mamoul: insteresting. learning something new every day. | 07:01 |
| mamoul | mail client hmm | 07:01 |
| mamoul | e-mail is so 20th century | 07:01 |
| mamoul | we don't need to support such legacy technology | 07:01 |
| svanheulen | qgil: yeah, but it's supposed to run on devices like that right? | 07:01 |
| qgil | that is another thing, but the Maemo 5 email client is not part of the MeeGo project | 07:02 |
| svanheulen | i vote mutt be the official mail client for meego! | 07:02 |
| mamoul | mutt is hard to work with online mailboxes | 07:03 |
| qgil | I'm simply asking in the #meego channel what are the 3 most urgent things the MeeGo project should address now, expressed in one sentence | 07:03 |
| mamoul | I tried to configure it for gmail and failed | 07:03 |
| svanheulen | well that's good because it sucks | 07:03 |
| mamoul | I don't know why meego didn't accept the maemo mail client | 07:04 |
| mamoul | moblin's was super awful | 07:04 |
| mamoul | maybe this is just a conspiracy to have maemo be replaced by moblin and have all the developers stuck with it | 07:04 |
| qgil | because MeeGo's official API is based on Qt and Web Runtime? | 07:04 |
| svanheulen | qgil: i don't know enough about any of this to give you a good answer, sorry :/ | 07:04 |
| svanheulen | mamoul: i can't imagine maemo's is any better | 07:05 |
| mamoul | is the qt thing a new move? | 07:05 |
| mamoul | I thought moblin was originally gtk based | 07:05 |
| qgil | svanheulen, fair enough. thanks for the fast feedback anyway! | 07:05 |
| markey | morning | 07:05 |
| qgil | mamoul, the "qt thing" has been fully advertised since the MeeGo launch | 07:05 |
| mamoul | :/ | 07:06 |
| mamoul | I did notice that | 07:06 |
| mamoul | but was it in moblin before? | 07:06 |
| mamoul | I think qt is a good but oft misused api | 07:06 |
| svanheulen | i've been playing with programming some qt stuff the past week and i'm glad they decided to go with it | 07:06 |
| mamoul | qt is very well designed | 07:07 |
| svanheulen | mamoul: they went with qt because nokia owns qt | 07:07 |
| qgil | mamoul is one of the (few) technologies specified at http://meego.com/developers/meego-architecture | 07:07 |
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| mamoul | they bought trolltech | 07:07 |
| mamoul | thanks qgil | 07:07 |
| lpotter | misused? | 07:07 |
| svanheulen | the only reason i never payed attention to qt before is because i think KDE is so aweful | 07:08 |
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| mamoul | aha, they didn't get rid of gtk/clutter! | 07:08 |
| qgil | er... and because Qt serves well the purpose of offering a powerfull and well documented native developer environment + web runtime on top of QtWebKit | 07:08 |
| svanheulen | i didn't even know until a few days ago that they finally have lgpl for it | 07:08 |
| mamoul | lpotter: it's like svanheulen said | 07:09 |
| qgil | confusing Qt with KDE is not useful | 07:09 |
| mamoul | a lot of qt aps are just horribly designed | 07:09 |
| mamoul | qt itself is lovely | 07:09 |
| qgil | LGPL came more than a year ago... | 07:09 |
| lpotter | a lot of apps in general are horribly designed | 07:09 |
| mamoul | yes but not on gnome :) | 07:09 |
| lpotter | ummmm.. sure thing, giant beer | 07:09 |
| svanheulen | qgil: i know, but KDE was the first thing i would always think of when Qt was brought up | 07:09 |
| mamoul | I don't see why meego wants to keep gtk if they want to emphasize qt | 07:10 |
| mamoul | having multiple apis will degrade the UI | 07:10 |
| lpotter | mamoul: best of both worlds | 07:10 |
| mamoul | meh | 07:10 |
| mamoul | memory usage of both worlds | 07:10 |
| svanheulen | qgil: i know, i meant i didn't know until a few days ago, that's one reason i avoided it | 07:10 |
| svanheulen | mamoul: well right now maemo supports both, memory usage seems to fine to me | 07:11 |
| qgil | MeeGo itself will push Qt and Web Runtime. GTK+ and Cluter APIs are still there to gather better current Moblin and Maemo developers | 07:11 |
| mamoul | ah | 07:12 |
| mamoul | it seems though that the moblin desktop is basically written in gtk | 07:12 |
| mamoul | I wonder if there are plans to replace it | 07:12 |
| svanheulen | same with maemo, heh | 07:12 |
| mamoul | weird | 07:12 |
| qgil | and the Maemo 5 desktop too, but MeeGo will bring a big change in the UI layers | 07:12 |
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| svanheulen | i guess they're starting from scratch | 07:13 |
| mamoul | the whole damn UI should be GTK# | 07:13 |
| qgil | less so underneath, where Moblin and Maemo already chared plenty of components | 07:13 |
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| mamoul | what we need is .net mobile operating system | 07:14 |
| svanheulen | ew | 07:14 |
| svanheulen | no we don't | 07:14 |
| svanheulen | go use windows mobile if you want that haha | 07:14 |
| mamoul | haha | 07:14 |
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| mamoul | oh | 07:14 |
| mamoul | I want it free software though | 07:14 |
| mamoul | man I want one of those gadgets on the meego homepage | 07:15 |
| mamoul | it's like a screen with a keyboard that slides out | 07:15 |
| svanheulen | lol | 07:15 |
| lpotter | you mean a n900? | 07:15 |
| mamoul | is that it? | 07:15 |
| mamoul | are those cheap yet | 07:15 |
| svanheulen | the n900 is a screen with a crappy keyboard that slides out, but yeah | 07:16 |
| mamoul | oh well I'll stick with my netbook | 07:16 |
| svanheulen | i used to have a htc touch pro, awesome keyboard. n900 keyboard makes me cry ; ; | 07:16 |
| microlith | o_O | 07:17 |
| mamoul | O_o | 07:17 |
| microlith | it's a great keyboard, would have been better with an extra row | 07:17 |
| svanheulen | it's totally lop-sided... | 07:18 |
| svanheulen | and it would need 2 extra rows | 07:18 |
| Blice | qgil_: Is the repository still down? | 07:18 |
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| Blice | the one that was up and then taken down | 07:18 |
| microlith | the spacebar is offset, not really a problem. and I'll trade a 5 row keyboard of the touch pro 2 for the hardware of the N900 :) | 07:18 |
| qgil_ | Blice: not down but moved | 07:18 |
| qgil_ | Blice: as I said, that was not a MeeGo repository but a Moblin 2.x | 07:19 |
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| microlith | mmm, so many topics on t.m.o just need to be burned away | 07:19 |
| Blice | qgil_: Oh I see. lame. :( | 07:19 |
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| qgil_ | we don't need more confusion, so this is why it got moved | 07:19 |
| Blice | itching to see meego. The initial UI is Moblin UI in qt, right? | 07:19 |
| Blice | more/less | 07:19 |
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| qgil_ | there is intense work in rder to bring the first (and I guess very unstable) MeeGo repo, supporting x86 and ARM | 07:19 |
| arjan_ | Blice: nope | 07:20 |
| * mamoul snacks on peanuts | 07:20 | |
| arjan_ | qgil_: so when will it go open? | 07:20 |
| arjan_ | no info yet... | 07:20 |
| svanheulen | microlith: i don't know, it just feels awkward to me. touch pro feels like a normal kb to me. | 07:20 |
| qgil_ | (having only an x86 branch was another source of confusion amnd we want to have both architectures supported since the beginning) | 07:20 |
| Blice | arjan_: no? I was under the impression that Meego would have a moblin-style UI | 07:20 |
| arjan_ | qgil_: do you know who's responsible for the decision btw? | 07:20 |
| arjan_ | Blice: but the netbook UI isn't qt based | 07:20 |
| arjan_ | the apps and such are | 07:20 |
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| arjan_ | but the windowmanager and such are not | 07:21 |
| qgil_ | arjan_: as soon as there is a configuration matchingthe MeeGo architecture for x86 and ARM | 07:21 |
| Blice | arjan_: I wouldn't expect a window manager to be based on a gui toolkit. | 07:21 |
| mamoul | x86 is a disease | 07:21 |
| mamoul | curse intel and their awesome processors | 07:21 |
| Blice | arjan_: is this because clutter is gtk based? | 07:21 |
| arjan_ | Blice: clutter is not gtk based | 07:21 |
| arjan_ | neither is the netbook ui | 07:22 |
| mamoul | gtk is clutter based? | 07:22 |
| qgil_ | arjan_: the technical steering group, I guess | 07:22 |
| svanheulen | mamoul: ppc all the way? | 07:22 |
| arjan_ | qgil_: ok I guess I need to yell at Imad some more then | 07:22 |
| arjan_ | qgil_: this not being able to do work thing is insane. | 07:22 |
| mamoul | svanheulen: no, mips | 07:22 |
| svanheulen | mamoul: even better! | 07:22 |
| qgil_ | arjan_: you have noticed I'm not in the steering group, and I know your pain well ;) | 07:22 |
| mamoul | ha | 07:22 |
| * mamoul isn't in the steering group either | 07:23 | |
| qgil_ | maybe I'm wrong but I assume all MeeGo UX references are based on Qt | 07:23 |
| mamoul | :o | 07:23 |
| arjan_ | qgil_: that's.. not quite right | 07:23 |
| arjan_ | "UX" is a multifaced beast | 07:24 |
| qgil_ | http://meego.com/developers/meego-architecture | 07:24 |
| arjan_ | all applications use Qt etc as the MeeGo API | 07:24 |
| mamoul | UX stands for what | 07:24 |
| arjan_ | qgil_: yeah I know I drew most of that diagram | 07:24 |
| svanheulen | i think someone (offical) need to explain the switch to rpm so that people on the maemo talk stop shitting bricks... | 07:24 |
| Blice | arjan_: are there plans to convert the moblin netbook ui to qt then? | 07:24 |
| Blice | over time | 07:24 |
| qgil_ | "The MeeGo UI toolkit is the primary toolkit for developing MeeGo applications and is based on Qt with specific enhancements and additions. GTK and Clutter are also included for application compatibility." | 07:24 |
| mamoul | rpm is better, they have to deal with it | 07:24 |
| arjan_ | *for applications* | 07:24 |
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| arjan_ | the actual window manager is something different | 07:25 |
| qgil_ | arjan_: are you working on the netbook UX? | 07:25 |
| arjan_ | qgil_: I'm the moblin architect, and now going into meego | 07:25 |
| qgil_ | nice to meet you :) | 07:25 |
| arjan_ | qgil_: as such I work with the netbook UX guys daily :) | 07:25 |
| arjan_ | "UX" is a wide range of things | 07:25 |
| mamoul | I'm not sure what people actually think of rpm, but they must not realize how powerful it is or understand what it can do | 07:26 |
| arjan_ | from window manager to apps to .. to .. | 07:26 |
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| qgil_ | yeah, I know | 07:26 |
| arjan_ | applications -> Qt, no question | 07:26 |
| Blice | mamoul: I don't think we're having this argument anymore | 07:26 |
| arjan_ | but the actual window manager and panel, those aren't going to be Qt initially (or maybe ever) | 07:26 |
| mamoul | Blice: just my $0.02 US | 07:26 |
| Blice | arjan_: I don't expect those to be based off any GUI toolkit anyway. They aren't GTK either, right? | 07:26 |
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| arjan_ | but that's its own little area anyway | 07:26 |
| arjan_ | Blice: they're not GTK either, correct | 07:27 |
| svanheulen | yeah, i wasn't trying to start an argument... just saying something official should be put out about it so people stop arguing haha | 07:27 |
| Blice | that's fine | 07:27 |
| arjan_ | they use clutter (for graphical effects) and something called "MX", which is how you do buttons on top of clutter | 07:27 |
| mamoul | meego has kind of a funny name too | 07:27 |
| qgil_ | Moblin and Maemo need both transition paths and flexibility, if we are meant to deliver MeeGo releases at the times they have been promised | 07:27 |
| mamoul | I mean why not just call it amigo and stop kidding ourselves | 07:27 |
| svanheulen | haha | 07:27 |
| Blice | I agree that the name is pretty bad | 07:27 |
| anaZ | mamoul: not as funny as your nick :) | 07:27 |
| mamoul | well it catches on | 07:27 |
| mamoul | thanks akhi | 07:28 |
| arjan_ | Blice: put lawyers and trademark people from two big companies in a room... don't expect some "interesting" name | 07:28 |
| mamoul | meego like wii | 07:28 |
| svanheulen | to be fair i thought "wtf" when i first heard of Ubuntu | 07:28 |
| arjan_ | the best you can expect is something more bland than hospital food ;) | 07:28 |
| mamoul | you think it's a dumb name but it becomes definitive | 07:28 |
| mamoul | and then you take it seriously | 07:28 |
| arjan_ | and meego grows on you over time | 07:28 |
| qgil_ | is this moving onto a discussion about the name? hum, I see my mailbox is waiting for answers... ;) | 07:28 |
| mamoul | me-go sounds like cave man speak | 07:28 |
| mamoul | the platform is so easy, even a cave man can use it | 07:29 |
| arjan_ | qgil_: it beats the rpm one ;-) | 07:29 |
| mamoul | hum, | 07:29 |
| * arjan_ rather talks cool technology ;) | 07:29 | |
| mamoul | how about iGo | 07:29 |
| mamoul | heh | 07:29 |
| anaZ | lots of X vs. Y discussions here | 07:29 |
| microlith | mamoul: pronunciation argument time! | 07:29 |
| Blice | speaking of cool technology has via released that mobile itx yet? | 07:29 |
| * Blice googles | 07:29 | |
| mamoul | anaZ: you're suggesting non-x-vs-y discussions are better than x-vs-y discussions? | 07:29 |
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| svanheulen | Blice: lol wat, via still trying itx? | 07:30 |
| anaZ | X is better by default | 07:30 |
| Blice | svanheulen: ?? are you not aware if pico etc.? | 07:30 |
| mamoul | anaZ: is not | 07:30 |
| anaZ | it is | 07:30 |
| * arjan_ would like a nice SMALL itx box (atom based... ) :-) | 07:30 | |
| anaZ | lets have a poll | 07:30 |
| mamoul | I want an ARM based desktop | 07:30 |
| Blice | arjan_: the via processors aren't bad imo | 07:30 |
| svanheulen | Blice: i have a micro-itx board but i thought the nano-itx never came out and it died | 07:30 |
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| arjan_ | Blice: I work for Intel.. I kinda want to stick to atom ;) | 07:31 |
| mamoul | via is neat you can build a whole system with only via chips | 07:31 |
| Blice | svanheulen: http://images.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&q=pico-itx&ndsp=20&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi | 07:31 |
| arjan_ | also if there's an issue with drivers then or something, I know whos desk I need to sit on ;) | 07:31 |
| Blice | I own one of these | 07:31 |
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| * mamoul wants a lemote | 07:31 | |
| svanheulen | Blice: oh, nice | 07:31 |
| Blice | arjan_: I understand your bias :] | 07:31 |
| Blice | ARM would also be awesome, yeah. Can't wait for those ARM netbooks | 07:32 |
| mamoul | intel is space age technology | 07:32 |
| RST38h | mamoul: You can build a whole system with only intel chips either =) | 07:32 |
| mamoul | RST38h: too true | 07:32 |
| qgil_ | arjan_: looking for a picture of Arjan van de Ven (to see if we have met before) Google brings me http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/gadgetlab/asus%20eee%20pc.jpg | 07:32 |
| qgil_ | and no, we haven't me before ;) | 07:32 |
| Blice | svanheulen: This is the mobile-ITX: http://gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2007/06/phone_with_via_mobile.jpg | 07:32 |
| mamoul | wow | 07:32 |
| arjan_ | I only look like that after surgery ;) | 07:32 |
| mamoul | arjan is that you | 07:32 |
| * arjan_ points at http://www.fenrus.org as my homepage | 07:32 | |
| svanheulen | sweet | 07:33 |
| mamoul | arjan_: haven't we ever had a discussion about how you remind me of Ayreon | 07:33 |
| qgil_ | arjan_: hum, nice pics | 07:33 |
| Blice | qgil_: You can see a video of him with the 5 second laptop boot | 07:33 |
| Blice | I think that was him showing it anyway | 07:33 |
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| arjan_ | Blice: that was me and auke | 07:33 |
| arjan_ | so the video might have had auke in it instead | 07:34 |
| qgil_ | ah, lots of people to meet... | 07:34 |
| qgil_ | the Desktop Summit was a potential good chance to meet more people in one place | 07:34 |
| Blice | I'm looking for the video | 07:34 |
| arjan_ | qgil_: are you coming to oregon in the next few weeks? | 07:34 |
| qgil_ | arjan_: yes, also to Collaboration Summit in April | 07:35 |
| qgil_ | arjan_: where are you based? | 07:35 |
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| arjan_ | qgil_: I'm in portland | 07:36 |
| * arjan_ moved from europe about 3 years ago | 07:36 | |
| anaZ | arjan_: you need to update that page :) | 07:36 |
| anaZ | http://www.intel.nl/? | 07:36 |
| arjan_ | anaZ: quite.. give me 36 hour days... and I'll do that | 07:36 |
| arjan_ | anaZ: when I worked for Intel netherlands ;) | 07:36 |
| mamoul | woohoo portland | 07:36 |
| qgil_ | arjan_: if you are in Portland then you definitely need to bug Imad more - I'm bugging Valtteri a lot fwiw | 07:36 |
| arjan_ | imad sits about 5 feet away from my cube | 07:37 |
| mamoul | they have that ridiculous intel fab | 07:37 |
| arjan_ | well .. he's almost never there | 07:37 |
| arjan_ | but that's besides the point | 07:37 |
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| qgil_ | I think what we basically need is a raw of official nominations so there is more people with a public and explicit MeeGo role | 07:38 |
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| svanheulen | arjan_: kind of off topic: would it be impossible for me (only knowing english) to get a programming job in the netherlands... i want to live there some day (soon) | 07:38 |
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| arjan_ | svanheulen: everyone there under 45 years or so speaks english | 07:38 |
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| arjan_ | but I would suggest a bigger, international company, they might even speak english at work there | 07:38 |
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| svanheulen | arjan_: yeah, i've been there. everyone spoke english, just wasn't sure about jobs there | 07:39 |
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| qgil_ | plenty of programmers in Finland live in an English speaking environment, not only at Nokia | 07:39 |
| svanheulen | awesome! | 07:39 |
| arjan_ | finnish is one of the hardest languages of europe | 07:39 |
| qgil_ | anyway arjan_ & co, I'll go work on something concrete ;) | 07:39 |
| arjan_ | I mean, put me in any country in europe, and I can sort of read various signs etc | 07:39 |
| arjan_ | not so in Finland | 07:40 |
| qgil_ | namely a blog post summarizing the current status with web services | 07:40 |
| arjan_ | yeah what an idea.. work ;) | 07:40 |
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| * arjan_ goes to do some coding ;) | 07:40 | |
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| qgil_ | and a proposal to use http://en.opensuse.org/OpenFATE to handle features at MeeGo | 07:40 |
| arjan_ | fate? | 07:40 |
| arjan_ | oh dear god | 07:40 |
| qgil_ | arjan_: any opinions? better alternatives? | 07:41 |
| qgil_ | It seems Mark Sharpness had a look at ti | 07:41 |
| Blice | qgil_: make your own. | 07:41 |
| arjan_ | novell uses it for all their enterprise stuff | 07:41 |
| qgil_ | is he here under some nickname? | 07:41 |
| arjan_ | and... lets call me rather sceptical | 07:41 |
| Blice | you could whip something similar up in python in under a week | 07:41 |
| arjan_ | haven't seen mark around | 07:41 |
| arjan_ | any standard IT ticket tracker is better | 07:42 |
| qgil_ | Blice: yeah, sure, I had heard that story | 07:42 |
| arjan_ | inventing something new is a fun time sink.. no thanks :) | 07:42 |
| svanheulen | Blice: why waste a week when it's already made | 07:42 |
| arjan_ | qgil_: one of the hard things is the boundary between feature and bug | 07:43 |
| arjan_ | that's a VERY gray area | 07:43 |
| qgil_ | arjan_ and anybody having used/studied openFate: concrete feedback is appreciated | 07:43 |
| qgil_ | *it sucks* is also helpful, but less :) | 07:43 |
| qgil_ | and of course concrete alternatioves are appreciated | 07:43 |
| qgil_ | basically, we need 2 things at MeeGo: | 07:43 |
| arjan_ | bugzilla sucks for this as well, but at least you can move bugs to features and back | 07:43 |
| qgil_ | a way to document features under development | 07:43 |
| qgil_ | and (more optional) a way to let anybody propose features, polish them, vote them... | 07:44 |
| anaZ | well, fate is not more than a description of something with a unique id and some comments :) | 07:44 |
| arjan_ | qgil_: the voting/etc part could be done in bugzilla, that's the one thing it does well ;) | 07:44 |
| anaZ | you can also do that with drupal I guess, the way you want | 07:44 |
| qgil_ | arjan_: bugzilla is not that flexible when it comes to edit a first post (a feature documented) | 07:44 |
| arjan_ | but tracking development sucks in bugzilla | 07:44 |
| arjan_ | yeah bugzilla has rather issues | 07:45 |
| anaZ | and I would not use bugzilla for something like that, you need lots of customizations | 07:45 |
| RST38h | Bugzilla does feel like a lesser evil though | 07:45 |
| anaZ | I even think we did that internally | 07:45 |
| qgil_ | arjan_: if you look at it from a roadmap point of view, the difference between a bug and a feature is a bit clearer | 07:45 |
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| arjan_ | qgil_: that's debatable. For big things, absolutely | 07:46 |
| qgil_ | you roadmap new features to new releases, and they need to be done | 07:46 |
| arjan_ | but from a user, not so much | 07:46 |
| qgil_ | then of course there are plenty of bugs in the way | 07:46 |
| arjan_ | "this app does not do FOO" | 07:46 |
| arjan_ | is that a bug or a feature | 07:46 |
| arjan_ | it could even be both | 07:46 |
| arjan_ | s/feature/feature request/ | 07:46 |
| qgil_ | yes, but MeeGo saying "in version XXX ThisApp will do FOO", then it's clearly a feature | 07:47 |
| arjan_ | that's after an engineering planning meeting ;) | 07:47 |
| RST38h | And once it is not present in version XXX, it becomes a bug | 07:47 |
| arjan_ | sure but that boundary is rather fuzzy | 07:47 |
| * arjan_ has been there on the other side of a bugzilla ;) | 07:47 | |
| arjan_ | users have expectations of things | 07:47 |
| qgil_ | I'm less concerned about fuzzy boundaries | 07:47 |
| arjan_ | the flow for features must work well | 07:48 |
| qgil_ | and more concerned about a tool to roadmap features, define them and track development | 07:48 |
| qgil_ | that is not overkill | 07:48 |
| qgil_ | but is usefull | 07:48 |
| arjan_ | I know | 07:48 |
| arjan_ | if I had used a tool that I liked ever, I'd let you know | 07:48 |
| qgil_ | so... I'm proposing openFate as default candidate, happy to be beaten if there is anything better | 07:48 |
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| arjan_ | it's more a case of 'the least of the evils', not 'there is a good one' | 07:48 |
| arjan_ | as long as I never have to use fate I dont care to be honest | 07:48 |
| arjan_ | but I fear that's not reality | 07:49 |
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| Blice | so we should make one then right | 07:49 |
| Blice | right right right | 07:49 |
| arjan_ | Blice: if you have it done by next wednesday .. ;-) | 07:49 |
| qgil_ | Blice: feel free coding it and let us know when it's ready | 07:49 |
| qgil_ | MeeGo itself has already to put a huge amount of code together | 07:49 |
| qgil_ | we don't need more hacking :) | 07:49 |
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| qgil_ | arjan_ and anybody interested, I started the discussion at http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2010-February/000104.html | 07:50 |
| qgil_ | your feedback is welcome and archived there :) | 07:51 |
| qgil_ | BUT since this is a tool that plenty of Intel and Nokia developers will use on a daily basis (if we do this open development right, and we must) | 07:51 |
| qgil_ | it is clear that such decision can't be really made without involving those teams | 07:51 |
| qgil_ | I'm on it on the Nokia side, happy to find the Intel counterpart | 07:52 |
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| qgil_ | Mark Sharpness, probably? | 07:53 |
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| arjan_ | qgil_: will ask around who's the right person | 07:54 |
| qgil_ | RST38h: "And once it is not present in version XXX, it becomes a bug" | 07:54 |
| arjan_ | might be various | 07:54 |
| qgil_ | still a "missing feature" ;) but all is debatable, yes :) | 07:54 |
| arjan_ | qgil_: if there's a good way to bridge between bugzilla and whatever tool we end up with ... should not be too hard | 07:55 |
| arjan_ | I mean, there's very few things you can't get done in that space with a few thousand lines of perl or python ;-) | 07:55 |
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| qgil_ | I have several emails actually of people that evaluated openFate, apparently for Moblin last fall... | 07:55 |
| qgil_ | arjan_: according to the openFate guys, the tool bridges with bugzilla already (depending how you define "bridging") and they are working on bridging it with OBS too, so in princple the plan doesn't sound that bad | 07:56 |
| qgil_ | if there is anything to improve, well the tool is in Gitorious so Blice & co can commit their patches there | 07:56 |
| qgil_ | and now really: back to concrete work - nice to meet you and se you latert | 07:57 |
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| Myrtti | oh god how I hate mornings | 08:12 |
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| RST38h | mournings. | 08:18 |
| tekojo | Morning | 08:18 |
| RST38h | hello, tekojo, Myrtti | 08:18 |
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| Myrtti | moo, RST38h | 08:19 |
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| Hukka | qgil_: Hm, weren't you working in Finland these days? | 08:30 |
| Hukka | You seem to be a really early bird | 08:31 |
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| Myrtti | Hukka: Helsinki local trains | 08:34 |
| Myrtti | *chuckle* | 08:34 |
| Myrtti | you have to be an early bird this week | 08:34 |
| tekojo | Is the qgil_ real or a ghost? | 08:34 |
| Myrtti | was real three minutes to eight | 08:34 |
| Myrtti | [07:57] < qgil_> and now really: back to concrete work - nice to meet you and se you latert | 08:34 |
| tekojo | Oh, ok. I just don't see details of him | 08:35 |
| Myrtti | all fuzzywuzzy :-P | 08:35 |
| tekojo | :) | 08:35 |
| Myrtti | I swear to god I'll not regret if I'll never see these bloody latex documents again | 08:35 |
| Myrtti | *sigh* | 08:36 |
| Hukka | Myrtti: Documents with sharp edges? | 08:36 |
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| Hukka | (Thank you thank you, I'm here all day) | 08:36 |
| tekojo | Before 9 local time and you are already talking LaTeX | 08:36 |
| tekojo | Long day ahead! | 08:36 |
| Myrtti | tekojo: I would have talked about it at 0030 last night too | 08:37 |
| Myrtti | and yes, I think I'll be cutting my wrists open with the printouts sooner or later, Hukka | 08:37 |
| tekojo | You seriously need to lay off the type-setting for a while | 08:37 |
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| Hukka | Myrtti: If you were using Word, you would already have a clip(py) through your throat | 08:38 |
| MiXu- | They've killed clippy in Office 2007 :( | 08:39 |
| Myrtti | tekojo: I have. The pain comes from the fact I returned back to debugging it couple of days back, seeing the typesetting guide and the script infrastructure totally redone from what I saw it last | 08:39 |
| Myrtti | relearning everything after two years is a bit painful | 08:40 |
| tekojo | that really is painful | 08:40 |
| RST38h | Look at the bright side: it might have been MS Word | 08:41 |
| RST38h | MiXu: If Clippy had a neck to squeeze I would have killed it long before 2007 =) | 08:42 |
| MiXu- | :) | 08:42 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: ... these documents *WERE* MS Word originally. Then magic and some abiword and head-on-the-wall action happened. | 08:43 |
| Myrtti | YAY, it doesn't compile anymore! | 08:43 |
| Myrtti | :-< | 08:43 |
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| RST38h | oh | 08:43 |
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| qgil_ | Hukka: I do work in Helsinki and I'm an early bird indeed --> consequence of being a modern father taking care of kids in the afternoon :) | 08:44 |
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| qgil_ | (which is not being useful to keep a dialog with Intel guys at Portland in decent common timezones, honeslty) :9 | 08:45 |
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| lucent | RST38h: I See you're writing a clever quip. Would you like help? (A) Sarcasm (B) Emoticon | 08:45 |
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| Myrtti | I can imagine, I'll be going to Sunnyvale for two months in mid-March and I'll "eagerly" await for the fun of telecommuting to Finland | 08:46 |
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| Hukka | qgil_: Though it is getting easier again, lightwise | 08:46 |
| Hukka | At least I wake up quite easily with light. Even bough an alarm light this winter! | 08:47 |
| Hukka | +t | 08:47 |
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| Hukka | Maybe meego will end up to the black list as well: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/02/big-content-condemns-foreign-governments-that-endorse-foss.ars | 08:51 |
| Corsac | grmbl | 08:53 |
| Corsac | ERROR: Exception(sources/bash-4.0.35-2.2.moblin2.src.rpm) Config(moblin-trunk-i386) 506 minutes 5 seconds | 08:53 |
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| qgil_ | Hukka: these days I found abn incentive being the first person stepping on a beautiful carpet of fresh snow in my way to the trains station ;) | 08:56 |
| Hukka | Oh all you southerns... (up and including Helsinki) | 08:57 |
| Hukka | It's not really that much snow :) | 08:57 |
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| kebax | it is too much always | 09:04 |
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| villemv | the local papers are urging everyone to clean up their roofs of snow | 09:08 |
| villemv | hope they have the hospital beds lined up | 09:08 |
| lucent | I swear I just read "clean up their rootfs of snow" | 09:08 |
| lucent | wha- wha what? | 09:08 |
| villemv | well, I suppose there is a better technical term for this? | 09:09 |
| villemv | "remove the snow from the roof" | 09:09 |
| villemv | ah sorry | 09:09 |
| villemv | yeah, missed that one character | 09:09 |
| lucent | snow on rootfs | 09:09 |
| lucent | that's a problem. | 09:09 |
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| villemv | we'll "optify" the snow to a less harmful place | 09:10 |
| * villemv is waiting for 1.2 & end of rootfs woes | 09:10 | |
| inz | villemv, tomorrow they'll ask everyone to go to the streets to shovel snow ;) | 09:10 |
| lucent | there you go. "the local papers are urging users to optify their rootfs to relocate snow" | 09:10 |
| kebax | :D | 09:10 |
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| villemv | inz: at least that's less of a national health hazard... | 09:11 |
| inz | villemv, true dat. | 09:11 |
| inz | lucent, papers are so environmentally bad, wouldn't "the local rss-feed" be better | 09:11 |
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| lucent | inz: substitute "maintainers" | 09:12 |
| lucent | maintainers are urguing users to optify their rootfs to relocate porn | 09:12 |
| lucent | that's the completed sentence? | 09:13 |
| lucent | I was going to keep it to myself until you spoke up :P | 09:13 |
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| kebax | wher has the snow gone? | 09:13 |
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| inz | Dealers are urging users to optify their reality to sell more snow | 09:13 |
| lucent | kebax: my kid sister down in Florida reports accumulated snowfall | 09:14 |
| kebax | coke on rootfs | 09:14 |
| lucent | which is freaky | 09:14 |
| Myrtti | lucent: more medication for you | 09:14 |
| lucent | Myrtti: thanks. Needed it. | 09:14 |
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| Stskeeps | morning | 09:15 |
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| gour | morning | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | morn gour | 10:00 |
| gour | i returned from my 25-day trip and found out about meego...before that i was thinking whether to use maemo or moblin, but now i'm confused | 10:00 |
| gour | hiya Stskeeps | 10:00 |
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| gour | Stskeeps: what meego brings to mer? any space for other toolkit (e.g. wx)? | 10:01 |
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| sivang | morning all | 10:02 |
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| gour | (considering that due to mac os support, i'll use wx instead of gtk for the desktop-part) | 10:02 |
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| Stskeeps | er, macos support? | 10:05 |
| robsta | gour: why confused? the call should be simpler now | 10:06 |
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| gour | robsta: 'cause it looks that qt is the only way now | 10:07 |
| gour | Stskeeps: yes, wx seems to be better supported than gtk+ on mac | 10:07 |
| robsta | gour: well that's not true, gtk and clutter are supported on meego | 10:07 |
| leinir | gour: It is the *suggested* way :) | 10:07 |
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| gour | robsta: for now, but i wonder if it will stay like that | 10:08 |
| gour | leinir: heh, that's what i'm afraid :-D | 10:08 |
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| leinir | gour: just out of interest, why would you not use Qt? :) | 10:09 |
| leinir | i'm not going to argue, mind, i'm simply interested in people's reasoning :) | 10:10 |
| leinir | (i'm a supporter and user of Qt, but that does not mean others have to ;) | 10:10 |
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| gour | leinir: well, i simply preferred gtk+ look, and it seems that wx is behaving/looking better on mac which is, in my case, important platform to support (although i'll develop natively on linux). moreover, i'm more comfortable depending on community project...nokia's steps with support for maemo (short lifecycles) are not much appreciated here | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | doesn't qt exist on mac too? | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | also, out of curiousity, what project? | 10:35 |
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| leinir | Stskeeps: Yup, it's why we chose it for our uni project - Windows, MacOS X an Linux/X11 (and a good bunch of others as well) :) | 10:35 |
| leinir | gour: ok, thanks :) | 10:35 |
| gour | Stskeeps: it exists, but wx is more 'native'. | 10:36 |
| robsta | leinir: if you want to be successful on osx write a native gui, if it's just to get a grade it won't matter if you're using gt, qt or wx | 10:36 |
| * gour would like to have wx for meego | 10:37 | |
| robsta | eek | 10:37 |
| leinir | robsta: the problem is that we had those three OSes that we wanted to work on, and Qt was the only thing with which we could all work on exactly the same codebase :) | 10:38 |
| leinir | So... :) | 10:38 |
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| Corsac | arjan: hmhm, you guys use brtfs on moblin? | 10:38 |
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| robsta | leinir: i'd just finish the assignment first, and then if you have time do the ports | 10:40 |
| leinir | http://leinir.dk/gluon-bt/ <-- our project :) | 10:41 |
| robsta | leinir: priority on the important things, | 10:41 |
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| chakie_work | leinir: you've been busy :) | 10:42 |
| leinir | chakie_work: Yup :) | 10:42 |
| gour | leinir: wx was not the option? | 10:42 |
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| leinir | gour: no, because with three people we did not have time to build more than one UI, and Qt offers some very pleasant possibilities in that area :) | 10:43 |
| leinir | (the whole thing that the UI elements all know how to handle the QtCore data containers and everything...) | 10:44 |
| leinir | gah, i'm sounding like a Qt advertisement here, sorry, that was not my intention :) | 10:44 |
| gour | leinir: hmm, you need UI for mobile platform as well or just desktop? | 10:44 |
| alden | does qt work well with clutter? | 10:44 |
| leinir | gour: desktop for this :) | 10:44 |
| leinir | gah! i've gotta run, need to catch a bus shortly :) | 10:45 |
| leinir | if you're still here in a couple of hours, i shall be happy to continue :) | 10:45 |
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| gour | leinir: then i do not understand why wx cannot be used...in my case wx is nice solution, but the 'problem' is if i want to write desktop-lite companion, aka 'lite' version for mobile platform | 10:45 |
| leinir | Qt QUICK | 10:46 |
| robsta | alden: there is a clutter-qt module and chances are bugs will be fixed if someone is actually using it | 10:46 |
| leinir | look it up while i'm away ;) | 10:46 |
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| robsta | alden: http://www.clutter-project.org/sources/clutter-qt/1.0/ | 10:47 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:47 |
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| alden | im guessing its relevant because meego is clutter based and uses qt as its primary ui dev framework? | 10:48 |
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| robsta | alden: i don't know any specific plans but i'd sure hope so | 10:51 |
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| hrw | morning | 11:26 |
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| bva | mmmm'ning | 11:34 |
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| Blice | Drinking this beer called "Wild Blue". It's blueberry lager | 12:07 |
| Blice | tastes weird at first but it grows on you really quickly. Interesting combination | 12:07 |
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| slaine_ | too early for beer at the moment | 12:08 |
| bva | You should try "Duvel" as a beer .... tahts the one I like the most | 12:08 |
| slaine_ | still enjoying coffee | 12:08 |
| lcuk | slaine_, there is no such thing as too early | 12:08 |
| lcuk | and i thought you had gotten rid of your _ now :p | 12:08 |
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| slaine_ | Gah, different client. I knew I had something to do. Coffee would have woken me up enough to remember sooner or later | 12:10 |
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| bva | coffee ... reminds me of a links somebody posted yesterday (dont remember who though) -> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2324.txt | 12:11 |
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| bva | damn browser irc client .... always kicks me out when I press a link | 12:13 |
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| hhartz | bva: have you tried "delirium tremens" ? fantastic beer! even has a pink elephant on it ;) | 12:17 |
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| hrw | hhartz: and delirium nocturn? | 12:22 |
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| hhartz | hrw: ooo, an additional 0.5% :) haven't tried that one | 12:23 |
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| Basstard` | Too early for beer? Never! | 12:55 |
| * Basstard` cracks one open | 12:55 | |
| Stskeeps | meego friday bar? | 12:56 |
| benbrown | 6 hours to beer o'clock for me | 12:56 |
| benbrown | well 6 and a bit | 12:56 |
| Basstard` | 6 in the morning | 12:57 |
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| * benbrown needs to be less lazy and finish his maemo app. | 13:35 | |
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| Basstard` | benbrown: You could try being lazy when it comes to being lazy. | 13:40 |
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| benbrown | Maybe. Don't think that trick will work tho | 13:50 |
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| * w00t wanders in | 15:15 | |
| w00t | how are we all? | 15:15 |
| qgil_ | w00t: I'm good! & even better now that my weekend is about to start ;) | 15:17 |
| w00t | qgil_: i bet :P | 15:17 |
| w00t | still a few hours for me.. | 15:18 |
| qgil_ | have a nice weekend :) | 15:18 |
| w00t | but it's a quiet afternoon, so I'm able to wander around in here for a bit | 15:18 |
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| w00t | that was rapid. :P | 15:18 |
| tybollt | qgil: still under attack by disgruntled N900 owners? :) | 15:19 |
| w00t | heh | 15:20 |
| * w00t still doesn't understand such disgruntlement | 15:20 | |
| w00t | I adore my precious | 15:20 |
| tybollt | I do :) | 15:20 |
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| w00t | if I wasn't already engaged I'd propose to it | 15:20 |
| tybollt | but meh, let's all hug and make this meego shitz the best it can be, shall we? | 15:20 |
| w00t | ++ | 15:21 |
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| slaine | w00t, but don't you know, as soon as MeeGo for handhelds is released, your precious will stop working | 15:25 |
| w00t | slaine: *sigh* :P | 15:26 |
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| lcuk | tybollt, constructive critism works better than attacking. even more so if you come armed with patches for issues ;) | 15:26 |
| w00t | lcuk: still a little early for that I'd guess, but yes | 15:27 |
| qgil | forgot my current hobby of combining commuting with #meego X-Chat | 15:27 |
| lcuk | hi qgil \o hope you are not xchatting whilst driving! | 15:27 |
| w00t | hey qgil, wb | 15:27 |
| lcuk | w00t, i meant from the maemo side | 15:28 |
| qgil | i don't drive trains, no | 15:28 |
| lcuk | :D good | 15:28 |
| zaheerm | qgil, have a good weekend, and thx for still being active even with lots of people shouting and screaming at most positive nokia press releases | 15:28 |
| qgil | just trying to help... | 15:29 |
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| zaheerm | hopefully you have a thick skin for those kinds of attacks, don't think i could do it | 15:29 |
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| qgil | zaheerm it's actually not complicated, and most of the times not about skin thickness | 15:33 |
| qgil | people have reasons to complain | 15:33 |
| zaheerm | some have better than others... | 15:34 |
| X-Fade | You only have to worry when people stop complaining. | 15:34 |
| X-Fade | Because then they stopped caring. | 15:34 |
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| bva | no they dont, only if they have a Nokia 5110 (those phones where indestructable btw) | 15:34 |
| qgil | I guess it's less about what the complaint is about (e.g. deb / rpm) | 15:34 |
| qgil | and more about the reason of the complaint | 15:35 |
| X-Fade | Change is triggering reactions anyway. | 15:35 |
| qgil | (e.g. a fear that this is just about Moblin/Fedora overtaking Maemo/Debian?) | 15:35 |
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| X-Fade | And when you pick one of the two, someone always ends up not being picked. | 15:36 |
| X-Fade | So that party isn't happy. | 15:36 |
| zaheerm | oh i was more talking about the mindless complaints...nokia promised xyz and not delivering, nokia abandoning n900 users by developing with a long term strategy... | 15:36 |
| qgil | ah well, about those... | 15:36 |
| X-Fade | Being open has it's down sides too. People see earlier on where things might lead to :) | 15:37 |
| qgil | there are things I agree and can help solving (no need for thick skin) | 15:37 |
| qgil | things I agree but can't help solving (no need for thick skin) | 15:37 |
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| qgil | and things I simply disagree (no need for thick skin) :) | 15:38 |
| zaheerm | i am extremely happy that we have now a formal commitment for the platform to be openly developed, with meego | 15:38 |
| w00t | I don't think anyone could be unhappy with that really | 15:38 |
| zaheerm | and that outweighs the deb/rpm issue | 15:38 |
| qgil | being "open source advocate" me too! | 15:38 |
| * GAN900 wonders if he missed anything important in scrollback. | 15:38 | |
| zaheerm | and whatever other issues | 15:38 |
| w00t | GAN900: do what I do: if it's important enough, people will always say it again | 15:38 |
| w00t | *g* | 15:38 |
| GAN900 | w00t, yeah, but if it's 3 months later then it may be too late! ;) | 15:39 |
| qgil | w00t: sounds like me approach to email | 15:39 |
| w00t | hehe | 15:39 |
| * w00t is a bit annoyed at gmail today for hiding all the meego/maemo mails for the past ~2 days | 15:39 | |
| qgil | conspiracy? | 15:39 |
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| qgil | something I was asking at an impossible time this morning: | 15:40 |
| qgil | can you summarize in oner sentence the 3 things the MeeGo should address urgently? | 15:41 |
| w00t | qgil: my own stupidity, more like, after suffering through 3-4 hours just from one day's mail backlog, I went and changed loads of my filters to try make myself more efficient. | 15:41 |
| w00t | hmm | 15:41 |
| w00t | for me personally.. | 15:42 |
| X-Fade | qgil: architecture description (detailed), roadmap? | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | qgil: technical steering group meetings on a regular basis starting very soon so things can get rolling | 15:42 |
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| X-Fade | qgil: Lot of people are asking for details, which there aren't any. | 15:42 |
| qgil | of course, for anybody personally,l this is the funny part about this "game" here and now | 15:42 |
| w00t | it's all pretty much the same thing: open open open - specs, plans, code (no more code dumps, develop in the open!) | 15:43 |
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| w00t | I do agree with Stskeeps / X-Fade though in that things seem to be a bit in limbo at the moment, though there are obviously reasons why things are taking time to pull together (not worth sidetracking into that discussion now though) | 15:44 |
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| Stskeeps | my concern is primarily enthusiasm being met with crickets | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | or, rather, the sound of crickets | 15:46 |
| w00t | yeah | 15:46 |
| qgil | open development has detailed architecture as dependency | 15:46 |
| qgil | stskeeps that is a very good description | 15:46 |
| GAN900 | We need something to start filling the vacuum. | 15:46 |
| GAN900 | Or else Stskeeps' enthusiasm is all going to go to waste. | 15:46 |
| qgil | (anybody knows how to escape userids with XChat? | 15:47 |
| Mirv | I feel the meego compliancy thing is quite fuzzy still... similar to what moblin compliancy was. like is harmattan as meego compliant be providing exact same versions of specific software, and if not what was the meego compliancy about again | 15:47 |
| w00t | escape? | 15:47 |
| GAN900 | Much like patches on bugs.maemo.org . . . *eg* | 15:47 |
| GAN900 | qgil, tab? | 15:47 |
| Mirv | ie. the difference between meego the distro and meego compliancy requirements | 15:47 |
| qgil | in an N900 | 15:47 |
| GAN900 | qgil, there's a blog post about rebinding keys somewhere | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | qgil: you mean nick completition (sts<something to stskeeps?) | 15:47 |
| GAN900 | Igalia or somebody | 15:47 |
| GAN900 | Set fn-return to tab. | 15:47 |
| * w00t defers to the experts | 15:48 | |
| GAN900 | Works great here (plus paging and home/end on arrow keys) | 15:48 |
| qgil | stskeeps yes :) | 15:48 |
| w00t | I use irssi in xterm, so | 15:48 |
| Stskeeps | i think theres a "sts;" thing in x-chat somewhere too | 15:48 |
| lcuk | needs an onscreen button for tab in xchat | 15:48 |
| qgil | sorry, back to topic | 15:49 |
| GAN900 | http://blogs.igalia.com/berto/2009/12/17/remapping-the-n900-arrow-keys/ | 15:49 |
| GAN900 | Tab settings are in comments. | 15:49 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, just follow that guide. | 15:49 |
| qgil | gan900 thx | 15:49 |
| GAN900 | Wish somebody would put together a control panel. | 15:50 |
| w00t | speaking of onscreen buttons | 15:50 |
| w00t | anyone know how to get an 'alt' key in xterm? | 15:50 |
| lcuk | GAN900, not exactly user friendly - nor something that can extend beyond a reinstall. now if there was a package to do it.. | 15:51 |
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| qgil | argh sorry for my stupid completion question, the discussion about cricket was interesting! | 15:51 |
| w00t | yes, I should stop sidetracking things *g* | 15:51 |
| X-Fade | qgil: An open project needs leaders who participate. | 15:51 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, look, you want something that does what you asked or you want me to program a new button into XChat. There's only one of those things I can help with. :) | 15:53 |
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| GAN900 | qgil's trying to distract us! | 15:53 |
| red | w00t: want me to check or did you find it? | 15:54 |
| qgil | X- | 15:54 |
| lcuk | GAN900, a new button in xchat would be wonderous, can you have a patch by monday? | 15:54 |
| lcuk | :D | 15:54 |
| w00t | red: I don't know, but it is a bit unimportant compared to the discission that was going on :) | 15:54 |
| red | it should be on the on screen buttons by defaul tho | 15:54 |
| * GAN900 has yet to see much beyond one blog post and about a dozen lines in here from the TSG | 15:54 | |
| qgil | I'm trying to distract myself in the commuter train, honestly | 15:54 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, Bzzt. Wrong answer. | 15:54 |
| qgil | less discussions means less timje in emails and Talk so I come here to find frsh messages :) | 15:54 |
| * GAN900 feels like there are a lot of people flailing around without enough answers. | 15:55 | |
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| w00t | GAN900: yes, pretty much | 15:56 |
| w00t | it probably doesn't help that all the initial noise on meego-dev meant that a lot of people that could provide good input probably redirected it to /dev/null | 15:56 |
| qgil | i think there is currently a mismatch between corporate responsabilities and visible open project responsibilities | 15:56 |
| * GAN900 finds some glue to reattach his kickstand magnet. | 15:57 | |
| qgil | Imad and Valtteri have done a fantastic job pushing a huge load of people and work in order to get an initial agreement amond 3 parties and one launch | 15:57 |
| GAN900 | w00t, it could hardly be a surprising reaction. | 15:57 |
| w00t | GAN900: oh, certainly, I'm just pointing out that it is a problem | 15:57 |
| GAN900 | Now we need to keep that inertia moving. | 15:58 |
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| zaheerm | qgil, who is the 3rd party? | 15:58 |
| qgil | Imad and Valtteri have done a fantastic job pushing a huge load of people and work in order to get an initial agreement amond 3 parties and one launch | 15:58 |
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| Stskeeps | maybe it could be nice to have imad and valtteri workstreaming, as they do a lot of work but we have no idea what is going on currently :) | 15:58 |
| zaheerm | linux foundation? | 15:59 |
| X-Fade | zaheerm: LF | 15:59 |
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| qgil | and they are the right people to lead the bootstrapping including the huge amount of work still remaining in order to brfing Intel and Nokia things ojutside | 15:59 |
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| w00t | I think qgil is having problems. :p | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | i keep on saying "X" in the corner should be task switch, not close | 16:00 |
| w00t | *grin* | 16:00 |
| Mirv | the connection might break in the train between a few stations.. | 16:00 |
| zaheerm | he is on the train using the n900, easy to press the wrong part of screen | 16:00 |
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| Stskeeps | Mirv: yeah, but "Quit" is leaving on your own ;) | 16:01 |
| Mirv | point taken | 16:01 |
| leinir | Stskeeps: How do you then suggest quitting applications should be done? | 16:01 |
| leinir | And no, a task manager with a list of running apps is not the right answer ;) | 16:01 |
| w00t | leinir: *quit*? who needs that :) | 16:01 |
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| leinir | (*cough*symbian*cough*) | 16:01 |
| w00t | (yay windows mobile!) | 16:02 |
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| Stskeeps | leinir: saw Mer 0.16? top right corner has a small task switcher and a X to kill a certain task | 16:02 |
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| w00t | Stskeeps: what did you mean by 'workstreaming'? | 16:03 |
| leinir | i personally rather like the two-level thing in freemantle... tap to see everything running, tap again to get more into that list | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: honestly, a twitter account would do. but like http://www.qaiku.com/channels/show/maemork/ | 16:04 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: ah, right | 16:04 |
| * wazd cackles evily bout Symbian ^4 UI | 16:04 | |
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| zaheerm | wazd, yah the videos don't overly impress.... | 16:08 |
| wazd | zaheerm: they are absolutely lame actually :D | 16:08 |
| zaheerm | i was trying to be nice ;) | 16:08 |
| wazd | zaheerm: :D | 16:09 |
| GAN900 | It's Symbian | 16:09 |
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| GAN900 | It hasn't impressed since 2004 | 16:09 |
| wazd | zaheerm: how can you be nice with video that shows Vagina Clock (tm) ? :D | 16:09 |
| zaheerm | but symbian ^4 is meant to be symbian's saviour and bringing it into the new era | 16:09 |
| Stskeeps | the stoneage? | 16:10 |
| zaheerm | lol | 16:10 |
| leinir | The term you are searching for is "guilded turd" | 16:10 |
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| w00t | lipsticked pig, I thought | 16:11 |
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| leinir | ;) | 16:12 |
| leinir | There's a good few of those :) | 16:12 |
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| leinir | slaine: Awwww *cuddles* what's wrong? | 16:20 |
| leinir | i mean... manly cuddles! | 16:20 |
| slaine | snif | 16:20 |
| leinir | oh sod it, who am i kidding ;) | 16:20 |
| slaine | I was given a GMA500 device and asked to get our Fedora 12 based demo working on it for next week | 16:20 |
| benbrown | re: the earlier discussion, i <3 my N900 | 16:20 |
| leinir | And... it's not cooperating, i take it? | 16:20 |
| leinir | benbrown: Unsurprisingly - it's frickin' nifty :) | 16:21 |
| benbrown | I don't get the people saying "I'm going to sell my n900 because meego won't run on it" | 16:21 |
| slaine | GAM500 doesn't work on Xorg 1.7 and kernels > 2.6.30 | 16:21 |
| slaine | GMA even | 16:21 |
| leinir | *facepalms* Gah, that is nasty yeah | 16:21 |
| leinir | benbrown: That's all people who are, for want of a better term, entirely clueless :) | 16:21 |
| slaine | Would mean forking back to Fedora 11 just for one hardware device, I can't justify that. We're already resource strained | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: not even with IEGD? | 16:22 |
| slaine | Nope, they're xorg 1.6 only | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | ah, lovely | 16:22 |
| benbrown | They seem to forget to ask, "Does it do what I want it to right now?" Which for me is a definate yes | 16:22 |
| leinir | There has been exactly no official statement either way, but all the signals people are pushing out says that it'll be able to :) But hey, who ever needed facts to get a good shit-storm brewing, eh? ;) | 16:22 |
| slaine | I downloaded moblin's ivi release and it doesn't work very well | 16:22 |
| benbrown | A bit of FUD is always fun | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | benbrown: these are the same people who sees intel conspiring to kill ARM with meego | 16:23 |
| leinir | *nods* Indeed :) | 16:23 |
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| leinir | It's all good fun, and provided by the (not exactly) vast hordes of zealots out there who just don't get the proverbial it ;) | 16:23 |
| benbrown | Yeah I can't see ARM getting killed. Not until intel can sort that power usage anyway. I'm more concerned about MySQL being killed by Oracle but that's another story.... | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps | "Oracle Lite" | 16:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:25 |
| benbrown | indeed. Not too good, especially as we use MySQL extensively at work | 16:26 |
| Hydroxide | well, they can't kill it, except for the name and logo and proprietary licensing options | 16:28 |
| Hydroxide | personally I think it would be good if people transition over to something less technically braindead like postgresql, but I recognize that can't happen instantaneously, and lots of other people will do development on the MySQL code if there's demand left unfilled by Oracle | 16:29 |
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| benbrown | Hmm, have postgres sorted out replication? | 16:33 |
| Hydroxide | benbrown: I think so, especially in the upcoming 8.5 and 9.0 releases, but even now with some third-party add-ons | 16:34 |
| Hydroxide | benbrown: postgres is also improving their permissions system so that certain common desires that are easy in MySQL but hard in current PostgreSQL become easy in PostgreSQL | 16:35 |
| benbrown | I don't think we'd be too happy with third-party addons. It's something we use a lot. And we have some pretty busy databases. Plus 10years+ of legacy code... | 16:35 |
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| Hydroxide | "third-party addons" doesn't imply anything negative - it doesn't at all imply unsupported or without a company behind it | 16:36 |
| Hydroxide | that said, I think they are improving replication for near-future releases as I said | 16:36 |
| X-Fade | benbrown: I've used slony for years, works fine for me. And I had some complex replication schemes ;) | 16:37 |
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| Hydroxide | benbrown: from the 9.0 development docs: http://developer.postgresql.org/pgdocs/postgres/different-replication-solutions.html ... but we should probably move to /msg or #postgresql to stop distracting the meego community :) | 16:40 |
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| benbrown | yeah agreed | 16:54 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.xkcd.com/707/ reminds me a bit of MeeGo ;) | 17:13 |
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| itdocks | hahaha | 17:16 |
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| sivang | hi all | 17:59 |
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| sivang | I got an LG latop with the USIM slot, anybody knows how to make it use my data plan? | 17:59 |
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| sivang | according to the hardware spec, seems like a good box to test meego on. | 18:00 |
| sivang | ;) | 18:00 |
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| slaine | !tumble weed | 18:12 |
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| benbrown | sorry, no idea | 18:13 |
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| CosmoHill | @ | 18:16 |
| CosmoHill | @ | 18:16 |
| CosmoHill | @ | 18:16 |
| CosmoHill | (tumble weed) | 18:16 |
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| mamoul | hallo | 18:18 |
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| CosmoHill | hi | 18:18 |
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| mamoul | are you excited | 18:21 |
| CosmoHill | i have milkshake, of course I'm excited | 18:23 |
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| slaine | CosmoHill: that was a nice tumble weed | 18:25 |
| CosmoHill | thanks :) | 18:25 |
| slaine | sigh | 18:25 |
| CosmoHill | do you think I offended mamoul with my milkshake? | 18:25 |
| slaine | want to do soooo much stuff | 18:25 |
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| slaine | Personally, yes, I think you did. And I can't quit blame mamoul for feeling like that | 18:26 |
| slaine | s/quit/quite/ | 18:26 |
| infobot | slaine meant: Personally, yes, I think you did. And I can't quite blame mamoul for feeling like that | 18:26 |
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| slaine | Oooo, fancy | 18:26 |
| CosmoHill | wow | 18:26 |
| slaine | never saw that before | 18:27 |
| slaine | s/saw/seen | 18:27 |
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| slaine | Ah, it's broken | 18:27 |
| CosmoHill | s/Ah/Ahhhh!/ | 18:27 |
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| CosmoHill | hello | 18:28 |
| CosmoHill | s/hello/Hello/ | 18:28 |
| infobot | CosmoHill meant: Hello | 18:28 |
| slaine | what the fuck | 18:28 |
| slaine | s/what the fuck/WTF | 18:28 |
| milliams | prolly a lower character limit | 18:28 |
| CosmoHill | slaine: / on the end | 18:28 |
| slaine | s/what the fuck/WTF/ | 18:29 |
| infobot | slaine meant: s/WTF/WTF | 18:29 |
| CosmoHill | slaine: I'll stick with fudge now until we find out rules | 18:29 |
| slaine | lol | 18:29 |
| MisterN | s/fudge/full/ | 18:29 |
| CosmoHill | I'm watching TV | 18:29 |
| CosmoHill | s/TV/Glee/ | 18:29 |
| infobot | CosmoHill meant: I'm watching Glee | 18:29 |
| * slaine giggles like a school girl | 18:29 | |
| CosmoHill | s/Glee/Shiny/ | 18:30 |
| CosmoHill | might only be the previous line | 18:30 |
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| CosmoHill | !help | 18:41 |
| CosmoHill | help? | 18:41 |
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| th0br0 | hello everyone. | 18:59 |
| th0br0 | CosmoHill: what are you trying to do? | 18:59 |
| CosmoHill | when? | 19:00 |
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| slaine | th0br0: he was trying to corrupt poor little infobot | 19:01 |
| th0br0 | apparently! burn the witch! ;) | 19:02 |
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| slaine | ### damn it | 19:37 |
| slaine | I want a meego distro now | 19:37 |
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| slaine | I'll just get a cuppa instead I guess | 19:37 |
| CosmoHill | soon my precious, soon | 19:37 |
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| VLJ | there is no release date atm ? | 19:38 |
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| rzr | hi, are the mailing list archives online ? | 19:53 |
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| milliams | rzr: http://lists.meego.com/ | 19:54 |
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| CosmoHill | sometime next week sources will go up | 19:55 |
| rzr | ok thx in rss feed would be nice too | 19:57 |
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| slaine | CosmoHill: Did your tea leaves tell you this | 20:08 |
| CosmoHill | it's somewhere on the meego website | 20:08 |
| CosmoHill | my tea leafs told me i needed a better filter | 20:08 |
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| slaine | Wholey tea bags batman | 20:11 |
| slaine | s/Wholey/Holey/ | 20:12 |
| infobot | slaine meant: Holey tea bags batman | 20:12 |
| slaine | yay for infobot | 20:12 |
| CosmoHill | s/infobot/cosmo/ | 20:13 |
| CosmoHill | :( | 20:13 |
| bpeel | wow | 20:13 |
| slaine | CosmoHill is sad, :( | 20:13 |
| bpeel | s/wow/wozers/ | 20:13 |
| infobot | bpeel meant: wozers | 20:13 |
| bpeel | fun :) | 20:13 |
| CosmoHill | s/(/)/ | 20:14 |
| infobot | CosmoHill meant: :) | 20:14 |
| slaine | bpeel, No, it gets old | 20:14 |
| slaine | You're so last hour | 20:14 |
| bpeel | s/f/ok, not f/ | 20:14 |
| infobot | bpeel meant: ok, not fun :) | 20:14 |
| CosmoHill | to me that looked like you said "fok" | 20:14 |
| slaine | SYNTAX ERROR | 20:15 |
| slaine | Right, It's Friday, it's 6:15pm, my work here is done | 20:15 |
| CosmoHill | hello | 20:15 |
| slaine | I might be on laters | 20:15 |
| CosmoHill | s@hello@Hello@ | 20:15 |
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| slaine | Be seeing you | 20:15 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 20:15 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | Hello. | 21:41 |
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| CosmoHill | hey | 21:41 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | will there be a list of devices running MeeGo? | 21:49 |
| CosmoHill | I'd imagine at some point there will be | 21:50 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | I am a lead developer for the LinuxMCE project, and I am doing an R&D project to build a media director image based on MeeGo code. | 21:50 |
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| Stskeeps | when ports are made, probably | 21:50 |
| CosmoHill | what do you guys use to keep out the script kiddies? | 21:51 |
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| Stskeeps | a cup of coffee and plugging out the ethernet jack, enjoying a good movie | 21:51 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | sorry. am being bitten by the ath9k bug in moblin 2.1 :( | 21:51 |
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| rzr | TSCHAKeee2: is there any connection w/ lmce and xbmc ? | 21:55 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | No | 21:55 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | our feature scope is much larger | 21:55 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | we unify virtually every single aspect of home control.. Lighting, Media, Climate, Security, and Telecom, under a single system | 21:55 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | A lot of our system was designed before the F/OSS had any equivalents | 21:56 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | and now, with our last dev cycle over, I want to look to merge in some of these components to replace our aging ones. | 21:56 |
| rzr | yea i know | 21:57 |
| rzr | but i supposed many stuff can be shared | 21:57 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | if they wish | 21:57 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | they don't like us very much | 21:57 |
| rzr | :) | 21:58 |
| rzr | btw Security, under a single system | 21:58 |
| rzr | i think there is a design issue here :) | 21:59 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | hm? | 21:59 |
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| rzr | once cracker own your a lmce box , cracker own your house and its habitants :) | 22:00 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | I am very tired of that argument | 22:00 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | it's a red herring in fifty different forms. | 22:00 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | we are well aware that there are issues, and we will solve them | 22:01 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | what is more important, is that the system exist, so that these issues can be solved, sometimes with multiple approaches, and a rough consensus be found on how to best handle it | 22:02 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | we are not selling this for profit | 22:02 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | so there is no short term pressure. | 22:02 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | it is a research project. | 22:02 |
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| donpdonp | linuxmce.com could use an explanation of what it is, on the front page | 22:02 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | so, if you do have something constructive to say to actually solve the problem | 22:02 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | then cool. | 22:03 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | donpdonp: murcel removed the blurb temporarily to rewrite it, and I've asked him to replace it.. I will ask him again. | 22:03 |
| donpdonp | TSCHAKeee2: cool. the project looks interesting. i love home automation :) | 22:03 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | thank you | 22:04 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | we go quite a bit further than that | 22:04 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | for example, all storage devices are consolidated | 22:04 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | peripherals shared | 22:04 |
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| openstandards | linuxmce is based on pluto isn't it? | 22:04 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | and it is all tied together with a unified UI and display system. | 22:04 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | openstandards: quite correct. However, the code base is changing rapidly | 22:05 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | openstandards: large parts of the pluto code, are being iteratively replaced. | 22:05 |
| openstandards | yeah i'm sure pluto isn't as good as the code behind lmce | 22:05 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | mostly because they are no longer needed, or we wish to utilize better technologies | 22:05 |
| * CosmoHill stabs script kiddies | 22:05 | |
| TSCHAKeee2 | openstandards: actually the system they built is quite remarkable | 22:06 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | openstandards: it was _WAY_ ahead when it was first released | 22:06 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | openstandards: still is in some areas. | 22:06 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | but the technology landscape that pluto was released under in 2005, is not the landscape of 2010. | 22:06 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | and we need to move forward. | 22:07 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | whoops, sorry... ath9k bug again | 22:09 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | it would be nice if moblin released an updated kernel/wireless tools to fix this :( | 22:09 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | the patch has been in the kernel for 4 months | 22:09 |
| rzr | no problem i was just teasing | 22:10 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | ;) | 22:10 |
| rzr | do you target arm also ? | 22:13 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | rzr: currently only for orbiters, but this will change | 22:14 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | rzr: it is one of my goals to use ARM devices as cores and media directors. | 22:15 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | this is why MeeGo is so compelling | 22:15 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | we traditionally targeted linux, windows, and symbian as very one-dimensional platforms | 22:15 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | but everything has changed. | 22:15 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | so a lot of stuff is being thrown away and re-done. | 22:16 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | to support devices that have considerably more processing power than when we started. | 22:16 |
| rzr | i remember i've read an article about using SIP for automation | 22:17 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | well, you could, it's just another signalling protocol | 22:18 |
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| rzr | seems based on x10 Insteon | 22:19 |
| rzr | i donno about them | 22:19 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | ??? | 22:19 |
| rzr | on that page http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Hardware# | 22:20 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | we support a bunch of busses.. EIB/KNX, X-10, Insteon, Z-Wave are the big ones....we also support PLCBUS, Clipsal and a few others | 22:20 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | and more busses can be added very quickly | 22:20 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | and it is possible to mix and match between them. | 22:20 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | and it's not _based_ on it | 22:21 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | we have a central messaging buss that connects virtually every single part of the system together | 22:21 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | and we have DCE devices to attach to the different automation busses. | 22:21 |
| rzr | i am bookmarking the wiki, but i'll think about it once i've found a 0db computer to run as server | 22:21 |
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| CosmoHill | dammit, my spec file failed cos the date was in the wrong format | 22:34 |
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| th0br0 | CosmoHill: you know of rpmlint, do youß | 22:46 |
| CosmoHill | rpmlint? no | 22:46 |
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| arachnist | rzr: 0db computer is impossible without ssd's :( | 22:47 |
| arachnist | (if you want to make it really 0db) | 22:48 |
| CosmoHill | I compiled fail2built into an rpm and it says it requires /sbin/runscript | 22:48 |
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| rzr | arachnist: the power supply is not noiseless :) | 23:03 |
| arachnist | rzr: well, mine is. but 6x 1.5TB drives are a little noisy, especially when i write stuff | 23:04 |
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| arjan | you can tell disks to stop rotating if they're idle | 23:05 |
| arjan | but that you only want to do when theyre idle for a LONG time, since it increases wear on the drive mechanics | 23:06 |
| CosmoHill | that's why i don't spin my server drives down much | 23:08 |
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| ShadowJK | I have a separate drive for mp3's Hacessed often), and then several drives for less frequently accessed stuff. Works pretty well from a noise perspective | 23:10 |
| mikeleib | ssd is very quite | 23:11 |
| mikeleib | s/quite/quiet/ | 23:11 |
| infobot | mikeleib meant: ssd is very quiet | 23:11 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah, I'd use ssd for OS drive for sure if I could afford it :) | 23:11 |
| mikeleib | what a helpful chap | 23:11 |
| ShadowJK | sure is | 23:12 |
| GAN900 | mikeleib, too quiet | 23:12 |
| GAN900 | It disturbs me. | 23:12 |
| mikeleib | what other tricks can infobot do? | 23:12 |
| GAN900 | factoids | 23:12 |
| ShadowJK | ~moblin | 23:12 |
| GAN900 | ~maemo | 23:13 |
| infobot | hmm... maemo is http://maemo.nokia.com/ http://maemo.org/ http://www.forum.nokia.com/Technology_Topics/Device_Platforms/Maemo.xhtml | 23:13 |
| GAN900 | Ha! | 23:13 |
| b-man17 | ~blow up | 23:13 |
| * infobot blows up | 23:13 | |
| GAN900 | Plus a bunch of random stupid little plugins | 23:13 |
| ShadowJK | ~meego | 23:13 |
| GAN900 | ~lart b-man17 | 23:13 |
| * infobot wallops b-man17 with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long | 23:13 | |
| b-man17 | lol | 23:13 |
| mikeleib | ~dance | 23:13 |
| infobot | <(*.*<) <(*.*)> \(*.*)/ (>*.*)> | 23:13 |
| b-man17 | rofl | 23:13 |
| mikeleib | infobot dances better than buildbot | 23:14 |
| b-man17 | ~burn himself | 23:14 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over himself, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 23:14 | |
| ShadowJK | infobot, meego is http://meego.com an opensource distribution for netbooks and mobile devices | 23:14 |
| infobot | ShadowJK: okay | 23:14 |
| ShadowJK | ~meego | 23:14 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, meego is http://meego.com an opensource distribution for netbooks and mobile devices | 23:14 |
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| tripzero | got the n900 yesterday! | 23:15 |
| * tripzero is happy | 23:15 | |
| tripzero | now... if only ovi navigation ran on it... | 23:15 |
| ShadowJK | It's useful for answering FAQs, you can have him/her repeat the answer ;) | 23:16 |
| * ShadowJK suspect #maemo is more offtopic for the current n900, despite Nokia's press release making it sound like everyone and their dog should go to meego | 23:17 | |
| ShadowJK | um, more ontopic I mean of course :) | 23:18 |
| CosmoHill | woof | 23:18 |
| ShadowJK | Running something osm based on meego would be awesome of course :) | 23:19 |
| tripzero | i find the current open source nav apps to be lacking | 23:20 |
| VLJ | by the way is there a symbian chan on freenod ? | 23:20 |
| ShadowJK | I don't know of one | 23:20 |
| ShadowJK | there's one for python on symbian, though | 23:21 |
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| qwertiop | hi, i was just wondering if nokia or intel have made any sort of announcement concerning when some sorta of beta or test version of meego will be release? i realize that meego was just announced last week so it will probably be quite some time before they release anything but i'm kinda eager to get my hands on it and see what it can do | 23:29 |
| tripzero | qwertiop, well, there has been some code made public | 23:30 |
| Stskeeps | qwertiop: you and me both, :P i think code is arriving, we're just not sure when :P | 23:30 |
| tripzero | you can certainly play with that | 23:30 |
| qwertiop | ahhh, i remember trying out moblin awhile back and i liked it, i just felt that it would be much better if it had time to mature a bit more and with this whole meego announcement its peeked my curiosity once again | 23:32 |
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| auke | I think the official announcement said Q1 2010. so that would mean: sometime before april 1st. | 23:36 |
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| Stskeeps | well, is it coming out today? ;) | 23:36 |
| thiago_home | no | 23:37 |
| Stskeeps | oh, april | 23:37 |
| Stskeeps | damnit | 23:37 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 23:37 |
| * Stskeeps goes back to waiting | 23:37 | |
| qwertiop | haha | 23:37 |
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