| luf | freemangordon: maybe you should try with cup of tea or beer :D | 00:00 |
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| luf | If someone want to help me please read the new http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PBAP. Feel free to correct mistakes. Please report me parts which doesn't make a sense. | 00:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | luf: >>vCards are separated correctly with CRLF between ENV:VCARD and BEGIN:VCARD.<< ?? typo? | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | isn't that "END:VCARD" ? | 00:37 |
| luf | Sure it's typo (I get it from the old page) :) | 00:37 |
| luf | DocScrutinizer05: fixed | 00:38 |
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| luf | freemangordon: I think I finished this obexd cycle so I'll focus on bluez-4.99 next days. | 00:41 |
| luf | I'm going to bed as I have a problem to stay wide awake ... | 00:42 |
| luf | DocScrutinizer05: thank you for you help with the wiki. | 00:42 |
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| freemangordon | hmm, ffmpeg 1.0 is released | 09:47 |
| freemangordon | maemo5 is on 0.5+svn20090706 | 09:48 |
| luf | freemangordon: :) It's same for almost all packages ;) | 09:49 |
| freemangordon | by looking in the source code it has HUUUGE ARM/NEON optimizations | 09:50 |
| freemangordon | compared to what we have | 09:50 |
| luf | The question is the backward compatibility ... | 09:51 |
| freemangordon | unfortunately it has .thumb in .S files :D | 09:51 |
| freemangordon | hmm, configure has --enable-thumb switch | 09:52 |
| luf | freemangordon: I have problem to find where I downloaded bluez files from you. Fortunately I know myself and named the folder apropriately: freemongordon :D | 09:52 |
| freemangordon | so it might be backward-compatible after all | 09:52 |
| luf | The question is API/ABI or how to call it :) | 09:53 |
| freemangordon | well, that should not have changed | 09:53 |
| freemangordon | and we have gst-av anyway | 09:54 |
| luf | freemangordon: do yoy have diff for you build changes (for bluez-4.99)? It's hard for me to find what you changed ... | 09:55 |
| freemangordon | just a minut | 09:55 |
| freemangordon | e | 09:55 |
| freemangordon | http://merlin1991.at/~freemangordon/ | 09:55 |
| luf | I get this this is diff againist orig. I want to see just the changes you made ... | 09:56 |
| luf | or to see the way you get it. | 09:56 |
| freemangordon | extract both diff.gz files and do diff -urN dir1 dir2 | 09:57 |
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| luf | Huh, it' too huge due to autoconf ... | 10:02 |
| luf | I see some change in rules and configure.ac. Another one file? | 10:02 |
| freemangordon | i think so | 10:03 |
| luf | Makefile.am too. Ok. I'll try to replay here :) | 10:04 |
| freemangordon | hmm, isn't there anything in denian/patches? | 10:05 |
| freemangordon | *debian | 10:05 |
| freemangordon | luf: there should be one more patch | 10:05 |
| freemangordon | iirc | 10:06 |
| luf | Ahhh ok. What about Makefile.tools? Is it autgenerated? | 10:06 |
| freemangordon | no | 10:06 |
| luf | So you changed it too ... | 10:06 |
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| freemangordon | luf do a diff :) | 10:06 |
| luf | I have a diff. But it contains tons of bullshit due to autoconf ... | 10:07 |
| freemangordon | use mc to open it | 10:07 |
| freemangordon | you'll see changed files | 10:07 |
| freemangordon | it is difffs :P | 10:07 |
| luf | Come on but I can't recognize what is changed due to re-run autoconf + automake. | 10:08 |
| luf | I'll investigate it. | 10:08 |
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| freemangordon | luf: well, gcc472 builds ffmpeg :D | 10:14 |
| luf | I see no problem in building ... | 10:22 |
| luf | The problem should be in cooperation with the rest ;) | 10:22 |
| freemangordon | hehe | 10:23 |
| luf | As bluez-4.99 - I have no problem with compiling ... | 10:23 |
| freemangordon | afaik the only one using ffmpeg is gst-av , though I might be wrong | 10:23 |
| luf | I have no idea/clue ;) | 10:24 |
| luf | Let's try to install it and you'll see ;) | 10:24 |
| freemangordon | thu fuck, it builds static libs by default :( | 10:25 |
| luf | :D | 10:26 |
| freemangordon | well, I am far from installing on the device, need debianize it first :D | 10:27 |
| freemangordon | though it seems it is only one library - libavcodec | 10:27 |
| freemangordon | lol, we have NEON vp8 codec | 10:28 |
| luf | :D | 10:29 |
| luf | freemangordon: BTW no new patch for bluez from you ;) | 10:36 |
| luf | Oops. The default automake is 1.8.5 but also automake-1.9 is installed :) | 10:40 |
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| luf | freemangordon: I can't still build bluez-4.99 with neon flag :( | 10:47 |
| freemangordon | luf: what's the error? | 10:59 |
| freemangordon | luf: "10:33 <luf> freemangordon: BTW no new patch for bluez from you ;)" ??? | 11:01 |
| luf | j(09:05:56 AM) freemangordon: luf: there should be one more patch | 11:03 |
| luf | Still the same error: | 11:03 |
| luf | sbc/sbc_primitives_neon.c: In function 'sbc_calc_scalefactors_j_neon': | 11:03 |
| luf | sbc/sbc_primitives_neon.c:309: error: can't find a register in class 'GENERAL_REGS' while reloading 'asm' | 11:03 |
| luf | sbc/sbc_primitives_neon.c:309: error: 'asm' operand has impossible constraints | 11:03 |
| luf | make[2]: *** [sbc/sbc_libsbc_la-sbc_primitives_neon.lo] Error 1 | 11:03 |
| freemangordon | well, gcc 4.2.1 | 11:04 |
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| freemangordon | luf: hmm, seems I mistaken bluez with pulseaudio | 11:06 |
| freemangordon | so, no new patch :D | 11:07 |
| luf | freemangordon: BTW do you know what did -fPIC ? I know google but you're usualy much faster then google :D | 11:08 |
| luf | Or how can I remove -fPIC from build env? | 11:09 |
| freemangordon | better ask google this time, it has something to do with dynamic relocations and symbol tables, but I am afraid to tell more, as I am not sure I won't lie to you | 11:09 |
| freemangordon | why should you remove that? | 11:10 |
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| luf | I see some report about GENERAL_REGS and -fPIC so I want to try ... | 11:10 |
| freemangordon | well, check CFLAGS | 11:11 |
| freemangordon | check debian/rules | 11:11 |
| freemangordon | Makefile.am | 11:11 |
| freemangordon | though it might come from some pkg-config --cflags $package | 11:11 |
| freemangordon | and you can do nothing about it | 11:11 |
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| luf | it's in aclocal ... ugh. | 11:15 |
| freemangordon | that's generated | 11:15 |
| freemangordon | well, you can do nothing | 11:16 |
| luf | You're righ. | 11:16 |
| freemangordon | do not use -mfpu=neon :( | 11:16 |
| kerio | :( | 11:17 |
| freemangordon | luf: harass merlin1991 to upgrade toolchain | 11:17 |
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| luf | So the -fPIC isn't issue (--without-pic :) ) | 11:24 |
| freemangordon | luf: I told you it is the compiler (or binutils) | 11:37 |
| luf | freemangordon: As usual you're right :) | 11:38 |
| freemangordon | unfortunately :( | 11:38 |
| luf | freemangordon: but keep me some fun :p | 11:38 |
| freemangordon | well, lets pester merlin1991 for new toolchain | 11:38 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: ping | 11:39 |
| luf | freemangordon: I'm not sure if it's good idea. | 11:39 |
| freemangordon | luf: why? | 11:39 |
| freemangordon | it brings newer libgcc and libstdc++ | 11:40 |
| freemangordon | nothing more | 11:40 |
| luf | There can appear another problems. | 11:40 |
| freemangordon | libc is still 2.5 | 11:40 |
| freemangordon | luf: it can be used only when needed | 11:40 |
| freemangordon | noone says we should recompile everything with it | 11:41 |
| luf | I'm not sure if the optimalization for new bluez (not yet confirmed as ok) is good reason. | 11:41 |
| freemangordon | well, we should start from some point after all | 11:41 |
| freemangordon | NEON optimized sbc codec seems a pretty good reason for me | 11:42 |
| luf | neon optimalization isn't so critical for my work. | 11:42 |
| freemangordon | and have in mind that we have bigeer chance to run into troubles because of older toolchain than because of a newer one | 11:43 |
| freemangordon | how do you think, was 4.99 ever built with gcc 4.2? | 11:43 |
| freemangordon | besides our efforts here | 11:43 |
| luf | Maybe not :) | 11:44 |
| luf | I give it 3% of possibility. | 11:44 |
| freemangordon | I give it 0% | 11:44 |
| luf | You should keep at least 0,0001% ... | 11:47 |
| freemangordon | ok, we have a deal :P | 11:47 |
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| luf | Ugh I used wrong patch (to disable hal) in bluez-4.99 :D That's the reason why battery level doesn't work. | 12:19 |
| luf | I'm unable to find in which commit (to see why) disappeared variable response_and_hold from audio/telephony-maemo5.c | 12:20 |
| freemangordon | hmm, you should be able to search in gitk | 12:21 |
| luf | I know I try to search but I'm unable to find :( | 12:21 |
| freemangordon | search by file | 12:21 |
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| luf | I find it ... But no comment why it removes. :D Never mind it's not supported by bluetoothd + N900. | 12:26 |
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| luf | I'll upload new bluez after lunch ... I'll test it in my carkit tomorrow or maybe during weekend. | 13:09 |
| freemangordon | upload? | 13:09 |
| freemangordon | .debs or source? | 13:09 |
| luf | both to the _you_know_the_server/~luf/.bluez :) | 13:10 |
| freemangordon | hehe | 13:10 |
| freemangordon | ok | 13:10 |
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| int_ua | freemangordon: have you heard about CSSU-Thumb3?) | 13:30 |
| int_ua | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1276189&postcount=513 | 13:31 |
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| Raimu | Could be T5.1+thumb3, but who knows :p | 13:46 |
| Lava_Croft | He is not an advanced user yet he attempts stuff like that | 13:52 |
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| luf | freemangordon: uploaded | 15:19 |
| luf | freemangordon: I'm too lazy to increase the version as it's experimental still. Please test it. | 15:19 |
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| freemangordon | luf: ok | 15:56 |
| kerio | for what? | 15:56 |
| kerio | obexd? | 15:56 |
| kerio | bluez? | 15:56 |
| freemangordon | bluez | 15:56 |
| kerio | yay | 15:57 |
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| luf | kerio: are you interested in testing new bluez? :) | 16:03 |
| kerio | not now, i'm at the uni | 16:04 |
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| kerio | maybe later | 16:04 |
| kerio | i don't even know how to test it, lol | 16:04 |
| luf | kerio: Do you use some BT handsfree? or you have BT completely disabled? | 16:05 |
| kerio | i have headphones | 16:05 |
| luf | kerio: It's still the same from you: not now I'm at uni :D | 16:05 |
| kerio | and a computer | 16:05 |
| kerio | but i *am* almost always at the uni! :( | 16:05 |
| kerio | like, every day 9-16 | 16:06 |
| kerio | but not tomorrow | 16:06 |
| luf | kerio: Someone marry with womans someone with unis ;) | 16:06 |
| kerio | i'm not even supposed to chat right now | 16:06 |
| luf | kerio: let's study ;) | 16:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | neon SBC codec??? AFAIK (and kerio confirmed that) the SBC coded runs on BT chip | 16:21 |
| kerio | i didn't confirm shit | 16:23 |
| kerio | other people said that you get about the same cpu usage with normal headphones or bt headphones | 16:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: np, I'll search for prper quote in chanlog | 17:22 |
| * merlin1991 ponders about which notebook to get for uni / linux dev stuff, so I need good battery runtime and a response system (no gaming) | 17:22 | |
| merlin1991 | anybody got experience with the i5 / i7 on cpu gpu thingies? | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lenovo T500 | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | not exactly a notebook | 17:22 |
| merlin1991 | *responsive system* | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm? | 17:23 |
| merlin1991 | there are like 1000 variants of the T500 around :P | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah, I got me the better screen with dual-graca | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and 8GB RAM | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and some 500GB HDD | 17:26 |
| merlin1991 | dual graca? | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | less than 1000eur in perfect conditioon | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | dual display adapter | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | the intel embedded and a dedicated | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you can switch between them in BIOS, or with most recent X11 maybe even on the fly | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or run both in parallel, FWIW | 17:28 |
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| kerio | aww, luf is gone | 18:04 |
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| marmistrz | freemangordon: ping | 19:24 |
| freemangordon | marmistrz: pong | 19:25 |
| marmistrz | hi, to which branch should I apply the changes with meego libs? | 19:25 |
| marmistrz | s/meego libs/meego qt libs/ | 19:25 |
| infobot | marmistrz meant: hi, to which branch should I apply the changes with meego qt libs? | 19:25 |
| freemangordon | master? | 19:26 |
| marmistrz | ok | 19:26 |
| marmistrz | I was not sure whether master or testing-thumb | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | let's see how this bomb bursts | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 19:38 |
| freemangordon | hehe | 19:38 |
| marmistrz | merge request made. | 19:39 |
| freemangordon | did you try it on the device? | 19:39 |
| freemangordon | marmistrz: ^^^ | 19:40 |
| marmistrz | freemangordon: Nope. Qt builds that long, that I can't really build it. But I don't change the existing packages. So this shouldn't conflict | 19:40 |
| freemangordon | marmistrz: come on man, you requested a merge of a patch you don't now if it breaks the build? | 19:41 |
| freemangordon | *know | 19:41 |
| marmistrz | If there was obs, I'd try it out | 19:42 |
| freemangordon | Qt build for about 40 minutes on 4 cores | 19:42 |
| freemangordon | marmistrz: there is SB | 19:42 |
| marmistrz | AFAIK the libs are already built with the current built. They're just not installed. | 19:42 |
| marmistrz | This shouldn't break anything. | 19:42 |
| freemangordon | marmistrz: just build the damn thing | 19:43 |
| marmistrz | I have some problem with sb by the way. On some builds it just freezes on my computer. And Qt is such a build. Similar is meegotouch. Build for half an hour just to know that it froze, it's not a nice feeling | 19:44 |
| marmistrz | How can a new pkg that doesn't overwrite anything break somethign? | 19:49 |
| freemangordon | it can break package build | 19:50 |
| marmistrz | I'll be able to build it on no sooner than 10/13/12. And I don't know whether I'll manage to do it then. Maybe even later. I have full access to the school computers very rarely. And only there I have a testes sb install which doesn't freeze | 19:57 |
| freemangordon | marmistrz: well, lets wait for merlin1991's review then | 20:05 |
| marmistrz | ok | 20:05 |
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| kerio | freemangordon: moar thumb! | 20:28 |
| merlin1991 | hm I don't like the qt4 metapackage | 20:31 |
| freemangordon | kerio: breathe, pulseaudio, Berekley DB and maybe tracker are comming. But I want to give some time to the current version (a week or so) | 20:32 |
| merlin1991 | then I also need to crosscheck some versions | 20:32 |
| merlin1991 | and the italin files need to be adjusted aswell | 20:33 |
| kerio | can you also fix the thing where my media player has no cover art whatsoever? D: | 20:33 |
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| freemangordon | merlin1991: what was the problem with tracker and dissapearing .flac and .ogg? | 20:34 |
| merlin1991 | still not solved | 20:34 |
| freemangordon | does anyone have a clue? | 20:34 |
| merlin1991 | no | 20:34 |
| freemangordon | thu fuck | 20:34 |
| merlin1991 | we got plenty of educated guesses :D | 20:34 |
| kerio | i guess tracker is fucking awful and we should do something else | 20:35 |
| freemangordon | well, no tracker then until someone find what the problem is | 20:35 |
| kerio | well, you're not worsening it | 20:37 |
| freemangordon | well, I won't distribute something I know to have problems | 20:38 |
| kerio | so why are you distributing anything at all? :P | 20:41 |
| freemangordon | because there are no problems i am aware of :P | 20:41 |
| kerio | don't be silly, everything's got problems | 20:50 |
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| kerio | merlin1991: hehe, i just realized that there are no more errors related to that old binutils with the fscked Provides line in your extras-devel | 21:15 |
| kerio | but now there's the nokia GPG keys error | 21:15 |
| merlin1991 | yeah though that's not related to me | 21:22 |
| merlin1991 | that's thanks to nokia gpg key reaching eol | 21:22 |
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| kerio | i know | 21:29 |
| kerio | rehost and resign all the nokia packages plskthx | 21:29 |
| merlin1991 | no can do, too much (c) nokia on those repos | 21:31 |
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| * DocScrutinizer51 curses ivgalvez for tricking poor confused seile Doc into touching this council thing | 22:01 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | senile* | 22:02 |
| merlin1991 | hrhrhrhrhrrhrhrhrhrhrhr | 22:03 |
| merlin1991 | ...... | 22:03 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: was it you who's running debian testing? | 22:03 |
| kerio | not me | 22:03 |
| * kerio actually does nothing beyond being annoying on IRC | 22:03 | |
| merlin1991 | hm who was it then | 22:04 |
| merlin1991 | backlog search ftw | 22:04 |
| merlin1991 | tadzik was it | 22:05 |
| tadzik | yeah, that'd be me | 22:06 |
| merlin1991 | what's the preferred way to install debian-testing? :D | 22:06 |
| * int_ua pays attention | 22:06 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | maybe I actually managed to nuke council all together now, and know what? I don't care | 22:06 |
| tadzik | some installation CD I guess | 22:06 |
| tadzik | finding one on debian.org is a PITA, in my experience | 22:07 |
| int_ua | what about debootstrap? | 22:07 |
| tadzik | every time one of my friends tries this they end up downloading debian stable and having to upgrade it then | 22:07 |
| tadzik | (which is pretty painless, fortunately) | 22:07 |
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