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| int_ua | arcean: I'm trying to run Camdrive on N900... Do you want to discuss this? | 00:02 |
| arcean | so it's not even starting? | 00:03 |
| int_ua | I've just had an idea: maybe it's thumb2-compiled? | 00:03 |
| arcean | what? camdrive? no :) | 00:04 |
| int_ua | but then others won't start also | 00:04 |
| int_ua | so you've seen gdb output? | 00:04 |
| arcean | camdrive requires harmattan version of the libthumbnailer | 00:04 |
| arcean | and camera resolutions are hardcoded | 00:05 |
| int_ua | isn't it the same on gitorious? | 00:05 |
| int_ua | oh | 00:05 |
| int_ua | that could explain | 00:05 |
| int_ua | what's the resolution? | 00:06 |
| int_ua | gdb: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1276549&postcount=547 | 00:06 |
| arcean | but IIRC there was a bug in fremantle's qt-mobility | 00:06 |
| arcean | regarding camera stuff | 00:06 |
| arcean | one thing is certain - it would be easier to port camdrive that to launch it through meecolay :) | 00:08 |
| arcean | s/that/than | 00:08 |
| int_ua | ok, maybe I'll try it later, thanks :) | 00:09 |
| arcean | no problem :) | 00:10 |
| arcean | what's interesting the first versions have been tested on the N900/Maemo :D | 00:11 |
| int_ua | :) | 00:20 |
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| kerio | hildon-desktop feature request: a way to disable every transition | 10:21 |
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| luf | freemangordon: had you find a time for installing new bluez? I'm just curious :) | 12:45 |
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| Lava_Croft | kerio: you can set the duration for transitions very low | 14:17 |
| Lava_Croft | making them near-instant | 14:17 |
| kerio | near is the keyword here | 14:18 |
| kerio | luf: i want to try it! | 14:19 |
| kerio | does it work? | 14:19 |
| Lava_Croft | kerio: near enough for me | 14:19 |
| Lava_Croft | (when i actually liked instant transitions) | 14:19 |
| Lava_Croft | kerio: tried the transitions.ini on TMO that says its 'fastest transitions' or whatever? | 14:19 |
| kerio | sometimes i see a frame between start and end D: | 14:19 |
| kerio | yeah, i'm using that one | 14:19 |
| Lava_Croft | well, yeah | 14:19 |
| luf | kerio: I hope it works :) | 14:19 |
| kerio | it's so smooth :3 | 14:19 |
| Lava_Croft | smooth are the Smooth transitions on TMO:) | 14:20 |
| Lava_Croft | i really like those | 14:20 |
| Lava_Croft | i guess the instant ones save you a little bit of battery life:) | 14:20 |
| luf | I used the previous version on my phone with day to day usage and the only problem I faced was with missing battery status (maybe also signal strange) on carkit. | 14:20 |
| tadzik | those 'fastest transitions' are nice indeed | 14:21 |
| luf | kerio: you can get it from http://merlin1991.at/~luf/bluez/ | 14:21 |
| kerio | luf: the thing is, i'm probably not a good tester for those | 14:22 |
| kerio | all i use bluetooth for is isync and a2dp/hfp | 14:23 |
| luf | You're better than none tester :) | 14:23 |
| Lava_Croft | i used BT on N900 for the first time yesterday! :D | 14:23 |
| Lava_Croft | to transfer to 2x2 pixel black wallpaper | 14:23 |
| luf | Lava_Croft: everyone use it some day for the first time :D | 14:23 |
| Lava_Croft | first time in 3 years :) | 14:23 |
| Lava_Croft | well, nearly 3 | 14:24 |
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| kerio | luf: alright, done the second backup for the day | 14:33 |
| kerio | going to install the updated packages | 14:34 |
| kerio | luf: isync doesn't work | 14:47 |
| kerio | ok, toying around with the sync settings worked | 14:47 |
| kerio | (i didn't reboot after installing, i only restarted bluetoothd) | 14:47 |
| kerio | bt keyboard works | 14:49 |
| kerio | (i had to change main.conf again | 14:49 |
| kerio | to allow the "input" module to be loaded) | 14:49 |
| kerio | luf: bluez works, A++ would z again | 14:49 |
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| luf | kerio: what is A++? Does the isync work after reboot? | 15:15 |
| kerio | like the ebay ratings | 15:15 |
| kerio | hm, lemme try | 15:16 |
| kerio | weird, doesn't work | 15:17 |
| luf | BTW what is isync exactly? | 15:17 |
| luf | kerio: you see, you're good tester ;) | 15:17 |
| kerio | deleting the entry in "transfer and sync" makes it work | 15:18 |
| kerio | or just retriggering it manually | 15:18 |
| kerio | it's weird | 15:18 |
| luf | BTW what is isync exactly? | 15:18 |
| kerio | os x's sync system | 15:18 |
| kerio | (up to snow leopard) | 15:19 |
| kerio | (it's bluetooth) | 15:19 |
| luf | Hmmm. I have no apple and I'm happy. | 15:19 |
| kerio | bluetooth/calendar syncronization | 15:19 |
| kerio | via bluetooth syncml | 15:19 |
| luf | What version of obexd do you have? | 15:20 |
| kerio | 0.46-1maemo3+0cssu2 | 15:21 |
| luf | cat /usr/share/dbus-1/services/obexd.service ? I'm interested in Exec line | 15:21 |
| luf | and mainly in --noplugin parameter | 15:21 |
| kerio | --noplugin=mas | 15:22 |
| luf | sdptool browse locat ? | 15:22 |
| kerio | Exec=/usr/lib/obex/obexd --nodaemon --noplugin=mas --symlinks --root .obex-root --root-setup /usr/bin/obex-root-setup --capability '!/usr/bin/gen-obex-capability.sh' | 15:22 |
| luf | s/locat/local/ | 15:22 |
| infobot | luf meant: sdptool browse local ? | 15:22 |
| kerio | mind you, right now it's syncing | 15:22 |
| luf | strange ... There should be two syncml server (syncevolution and Nokia's). | 15:23 |
| kerio | i don't have syncevolution | 15:23 |
| luf | It doesn't work for me and I change --noplugin=mas => --noplugin=mas,syncevolution | 15:23 |
| luf | You don't have syncevolution in sdptool browse local? | 15:24 |
| luf | Hmmm. strange. | 15:24 |
| kerio | it would be weird | 15:24 |
| kerio | i don't have syncevolution installed | 15:24 |
| luf | I'll check in the sources. | 15:25 |
| luf | I think it doesn't matter.. | 15:25 |
| kerio | luf: ooh, neat | 15:26 |
| kerio | now it's an audio sink too | 15:26 |
| kerio | how would that work? | 15:26 |
| luf | kerio: ;) | 15:26 |
| kerio | not being able to sync is kinda bad tho | 15:27 |
| luf | I don't understand how it's possible you don't have SyncML SyncEvolution profile ... | 15:28 |
| kerio | i'm reinstalling bluetooth-dun now, hold on | 15:28 |
| kerio | luf: why would i have it | 15:28 |
| kerio | isn't syncevolution an extra application | 15:28 |
| luf | kerio: I think you wrote you're able to sync. | 15:28 |
| kerio | yeah but it's flaky as shit | 15:28 |
| luf | kerio: because it's obexd plugin and it's enabled by default. | 15:29 |
| luf | Can you please upload sdptool browse local to pastebin or somewhere I can take a look? | 15:30 |
| kerio | oh ok, now i have OBEX server for SyncML, using SyncEvolution | 15:30 |
| kerio | (rebooted) | 15:30 |
| luf | kerio: that's the shit :) | 15:30 |
| kerio | that's shit | 15:31 |
| kerio | how do i disable it? | 15:31 |
| luf | as I wrote earlier: /usr/share/dbus-1/services/obexd.service - change: --noplugin=mas,syncevolution | 15:31 |
| kerio | and then, reboot? :c | 15:32 |
| luf | Or just a user killall obexd and start it manually. | 15:32 |
| luf | copy&paste the command from /usr/share/dbus-1/services/obexd.service | 15:32 |
| luf | Don't start obexd as root. | 15:32 |
| luf | I was surprised few days ago (I tested BT sync betweein two N900) that nobody reports that bug. | 15:34 |
| luf | It's also fixed in newer obexd ... | 15:34 |
| kerio | well, fuck | 15:37 |
| kerio | apparently the isync plugin doesn't work anymore, for some reason | 15:37 |
| kerio | hm, i'm getting a "Time out talking AT with channel... channel is now in a bad state" | 15:40 |
| luf | kerio: does obexd running? | 15:40 |
| kerio | yes | 15:40 |
| kerio | but it's not a matter of obexd | 15:41 |
| kerio | it should be bluetooth dun | 15:41 |
| kerio | ...does obexd want to deal with that too? | 15:41 |
| kerio | luf: also, audio sink doesn't work by default | 15:41 |
| luf | No. dun isn't touched by obexd. | 15:41 |
| kerio | yeah but my syncml always went through the same interface bluetooth dun uses, i think | 15:42 |
| kerio | at least, i always had to install it to make it work | 15:42 |
| kerio | luf: also, it can't be obexd | 15:43 |
| kerio | it worked before the new bluez | 15:43 |
| kerio | meh, i'm restoring the system | 15:43 |
| luf | kerio: I need logs (also hcidump should help) with bluez-4.99 and also bluez-4.60 (I think you'll downgrade). | 15:43 |
| luf | Ugh please some debug. | 15:43 |
| luf | I can't fix it without it. | 15:44 |
| luf | ~PBAP | 15:44 |
| luf | http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PBAP#Troubleshooting | 15:44 |
| luf | kerio: I think you want to disable syncevolution plugin from obexd. | 15:45 |
| kerio | i *did* | 15:45 |
| luf | I have to leave in 10 minutes and I'll be available on Sunday evening :( | 15:45 |
| luf | Please try to disable it also after restore. | 15:46 |
| kerio | luf: i have a full backup of a configuration that works, right before i installed the new bluez :) | 15:46 |
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| luf | I know. I hope we'll try it next time with more time from my time and you'll create debug logs ... | 15:47 |
| kerio | i'll try to figure out exactly *what* is going on when i do syncml | 15:47 |
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| luf | kerio: bluez debug (4.60) - add "-d" to the bluetoothd start (/etc/event..d/bluetoothd); (4.99) - add "-d '*' " to the bluetoothd start (same file) | 15:49 |
| luf | How to enable debug for obexd is written in wiki page. | 15:49 |
| luf | bye now | 15:49 |
| kerio | wait | 15:50 |
| kerio | where are the logs written? | 15:50 |
| luf | kerio: thanks for testing ... | 15:50 |
| luf | It's in syslog (in PBAP wiki page you find the info) | 15:50 |
| kerio | k | 15:50 |
| luf | I'm sorry child and her training is waiting for me. I'm sorry. | 15:50 |
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| kerio | anyway, isync works (even with a new association) with the old bluez | 16:09 |
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| kerio | Adeon: contacts are *not* on the sim card, you know | 17:30 |
| Adeon | hmm, maybe I was wrong | 17:31 |
| Adeon | aren't the phone numbers there? | 17:31 |
| kerio | no, they're accessible, but the actual address book is in ~/.rtcom-something/whatever | 17:31 |
| kerio | a sqlite3 db | 17:31 |
| kerio | or possibly a berkeley db | 17:31 |
| kerio | anyway, nokia phones don't have on-sim contacts since... never | 17:32 |
| kerio | freemangordon: a new victim, btw | 17:32 |
| Adeon | if it is just some file, I'll just transfer them to the computer | 17:32 |
| Adeon | it looks like I still can do it | 17:32 |
| kerio | aren't you installing it already? | 17:32 |
| Adeon | it is not that far yet, I think | 17:32 |
| kerio | hm | 17:32 |
| kerio | the thing is, installing -thumb is somewhat dangerous | 17:33 |
| kerio | you're installing binaries that can't run properly without running the new kernel (that's also flashed) | 17:33 |
| kerio | HAM kills everything before installing them, and then reboots | 17:33 |
| kerio | doing stuff in between can lead to weird stuff | 17:33 |
| kerio | (there's a silicon errata from texas instruments regarding the thumb2 ISA) | 17:34 |
| Adeon | I'm at the part where it asks me to do the system upgrade | 17:34 |
| kerio | oh | 17:34 |
| kerio | then you're still able to cancel it | 17:34 |
| Adeon | I'll do the backups now | 17:34 |
| Adeon | good thinking | 17:34 |
| kerio | i don't get what's wrong with backupmenu, though | 17:35 |
| kerio | it makes awesome full backups | 17:35 |
| Adeon | that's what I'm installing | 17:37 |
| kerio | (note that you'll have to flash the latest stock kernel to restore the backup you'll make right now) | 17:37 |
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| freemangordon | kerio: victim? | 17:50 |
| Adeon | I did not know my /opt is this big | 17:53 |
| kerio | freemangordon: "user", as they call them | 17:56 |
| freemangordon | aah :D | 17:57 |
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| Adeon | the backup is complete | 17:57 |
| Adeon | do you think I should transfer it to the computer? are the files in the card safe? | 17:57 |
| kerio | the card isn't touched | 17:58 |
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| Adeon | okely dokely | 17:58 |
| kerio | mydocs isn't touched either | 17:58 |
| Adeon | in that case, I'm proceeding with the upgrade | 17:58 |
| kerio | Adeon: btw, do you have PR1.3 from nokia right now? | 17:58 |
| Adeon | yes | 17:59 |
| kerio | alright, proceed | 17:59 |
| freemangordon | yep | 17:59 |
| kerio | freemangordon: btw, the new bluez has some problems for me :c | 18:10 |
| Adeon | I think it has updated now | 18:12 |
| Adeon | it rebooted and now I see there are some new features | 18:12 |
| kerio | yeah, those come from cssu-testing | 18:13 |
| kerio | ah goddammit, i forgot to make you check the free space before and after D: | 18:13 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 18:13 |
| kerio | (you can't check the tarball, the rootfs is ubifs, which is compressed) | 18:13 |
| freemangordon | it would've been good | 18:14 |
| kerio | Adeon: restore the backup and do the process again! | 18:14 |
| Adeon | but I don't want to | 18:14 |
| kerio | ._. | 18:14 |
| kerio | so this is how you help the opensource process | 18:14 |
| kerio | anyway, uname -a pls | 18:14 |
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| Adeon | Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10-cssu3 #1 PREEMPT Sat Jul 28 18:05:05 EDT 2012 armv7l unknown | 18:15 |
| kerio | yep | 18:15 |
| freemangordon | all is good | 18:15 |
| Adeon | I don't see any problems anywhere | 18:16 |
| kerio | Adeon: do you have a root shell? | 18:16 |
| Adeon | do you mean if I can get one? sure | 18:16 |
| kerio | try apt-get autoremove | 18:17 |
| kerio | don't remove anything, though | 18:17 |
| kerio | you shouldn't get autoremovable packages | 18:17 |
| Adeon | hang on, it is updating busybox first | 18:17 |
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| kerio | ...wat | 18:17 |
| freemangordon | what? | 18:17 |
| kerio | aren't you done with the update? | 18:17 |
| Adeon | no packages it doens't want to remove | 18:17 |
| kerio | or are you talking about busybox-power? | 18:18 |
| Adeon | yeah, but it asked me to update busybox just now | 18:18 |
| Adeon | so I did | 18:18 |
| kerio | oh | 18:18 |
| kerio | which busybox? | 18:18 |
| Adeon | I didn't look | 18:18 |
| kerio | probably the -power one | 18:18 |
| Adeon | are there logs? | 18:18 |
| kerio | apt-cache policy busybox-power | 18:18 |
| freemangordon | Adeon: did you have bb-power installed? | 18:18 |
| Adeon | apparently I did | 18:19 |
| kerio | neat, so you don't have to reinstall it after upgrading the proper busybox with cssu | 18:19 |
| kerio | :D | 18:19 |
| kerio | freemangordon: busybox-power is in the thumb repo | 18:19 |
| freemangordon | ORLY? | 18:20 |
| freemangordon | :P | 18:20 |
| kerio | YARLY | 18:20 |
| Adeon | does this upgrade contribute to world peace | 18:21 |
| kerio | Adeon: most definetely | 18:21 |
| freemangordon | massively | 18:21 |
| freemangordon | kerio: how big is /usr/lib/libdb.so? | 18:21 |
| kerio | freemangordon: btw, you still haven't updated busybox-power in thumb | 18:21 |
| freemangordon | I still don have updated source | 18:22 |
| freemangordon | *don;t | 18:22 |
| kerio | i don't have a libdb.so | 18:22 |
| freemangordon | sure you have | 18:22 |
| kerio | libdb-4.2.so | 18:22 |
| kerio | 815k | 18:22 |
| freemangordon | hmm, smashed to 533k | 18:22 |
| freemangordon | lets see if it works | 18:22 |
| kerio | ~cssu-thumb | 18:24 |
| infobot | [cssu-thumb] <DocScrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597 | 18:24 |
| kerio | Adeon: ^ | 18:24 |
| kerio | Adeon: also you might want to grab the official leaked flash player 10 | 18:24 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 18:25 |
| Adeon | I don't think I've ever used flash on this phone | 18:25 |
| freemangordon | Adeon: never used microb? | 18:25 |
| Adeon | yes, but I've not viewed flashes | 18:25 |
| freemangordon | well, if you say so | 18:25 |
| Adeon | thank you for your help | 18:28 |
| kerio | Adeon: oh, another thing | 18:28 |
| Adeon | oh dear | 18:28 |
| Adeon | there's more? | 18:28 |
| kerio | if you now boot with a kernel without the thumb2 errata workaround, shit will blow up epically | 18:28 |
| Adeon | that sounds a rather serious another thing | 18:29 |
| kerio | or possibly you'll get some unexpected behaviour and some segfaults | 18:29 |
| Adeon | +like | 18:29 |
| kerio | so don't boot with a kernel without the thumb2 errata workaround | 18:29 |
| kerio | oh, and kernel-cssu is a rebranding of kernel-power | 18:32 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: sigill not segfault | 18:32 |
| kerio | that's even worse! | 18:32 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: ping | 18:46 |
| Pali | freemangordon, pong | 18:46 |
| freemangordon | Pali: any ARM assembler knowledge? | 18:46 |
| Pali | a bit | 18:46 |
| freemangordon | I need someone to assure me I grok a piece of code correctly | 18:46 |
| Pali | yesterday I rewrote rx51 relocation code in uboot :-) | 18:47 |
| Pali | so maybe I can help | 18:47 |
| Pali | but uboot started by x-loader (without nolo) still not working... | 18:48 |
| freemangordon | http://pastebin.com/j3kBZFBT | 18:48 |
| freemangordon | Pali: commented is the old code | 18:49 |
| Pali | I do not know syntax of inlined asm in c :-( | 18:49 |
| freemangordon | could you verify that new implementation of lock/unlock functions do the same | 18:49 |
| freemangordon | aah | 18:50 |
| freemangordon | damn | 18:50 |
| freemangordon | http://www.ibiblio.org/gferg/ldp/GCC-Inline-Assembly-HOWTO.html#ss5.1 | 18:50 |
| freemangordon | :P | 18:50 |
| freemangordon | Pali: please, that code is in berkeley db ;) | 18:50 |
| freemangordon | (i.e. contacts and email db) | 18:51 |
| freemangordon | i'll ask on #maemo too | 18:52 |
| kerio | ask in #c | 19:13 |
| merlin1991 | oh god, work is fucking with my brain, I automatically read c# instead of #c | 19:15 |
| kerio | heh, would c#'s channel be #c#? | 19:16 |
| kerio | or possibly #ↄ | 19:16 |
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| kerio | Adeon: do you feel your n900 is faster? | 20:27 |
| Adeon | not really | 20:27 |
| kerio | :c | 20:28 |
| kerio | freemangordon: we need more dramatic improvements | 20:28 |
| Adeon | I'm sorry but it is true; I don't feel it is very different | 20:28 |
| Adeon | then again, I did not try to play with it too much | 20:29 |
| Adeon | for example, I haven | 20:29 |
| Adeon | 't tried the browser yet | 20:29 |
| freemangordon | 't? | 20:29 |
| freemangordon | aah, haven't | 20:29 |
| Adeon | accidental enter | 20:29 |
| freemangordon | :) | 20:29 |
| kerio | to be fair the browser *is* a dramatic improvement | 20:29 |
| kerio | fennec is too, compared to firefox 14 | 20:30 |
| kerio | it's actually somewhat usable | 20:30 |
| freemangordon | kerio: now way to see improvement with h-d | 20:30 |
| freemangordon | *no | 20:30 |
| Adeon | I'll try browsing some of the sites I usually do with the browser | 20:30 |
| freemangordon | h-d is slow because of the transitions ;) | 20:30 |
| Adeon | I can't tell if the browsing is faster | 20:31 |
| kerio | goddammit Adeon you could just lie to make us feel better | 20:32 |
| Adeon | I could lie and give you false feedback or I could be honest and give you bad, but probably more useful feedback! | 20:32 |
| Adeon | then again, I don't use the browser very often | 20:33 |
| freemangordon | Adeon: do you have adblock installed? | 20:33 |
| Adeon | so I wouldn't notice any improvements easily | 20:33 |
| Adeon | I don't | 20:33 |
| kerio | freemangordon: i have the css one, that stops flash too | 20:33 |
| kerio | adblock plus is seriously heavy | 20:33 |
| freemangordon | Adeon: do you have FB account? | 20:33 |
| freemangordon | kerio: only the version in repos | 20:33 |
| Adeon | yes, but I've never used it from the N900 | 20:34 |
| freemangordon | why? | 20:34 |
| Adeon | what do you mean | 20:34 |
| Adeon | I don't see it necessary | 20:34 |
| freemangordon | ok | 20:35 |
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| kerio | 'What about the multiple messages that appear in HAM regarding "ignoring wrong version from wrong domain"?' | 23:12 |
| kerio | ohohoho, nokia just shat the bed | 23:12 |
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| merlin1991 | kerio: well apt-worker has the key based domain authority shit, and sine the keys from nokia expired those repos are not "valid" anymore thrustwise | 23:17 |
| kerio | yep | 23:17 |
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