IRC log of #maemo-ssu for Thursday, 2012-09-27

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fw190after yesterdays struggle I finnally coming to terms with openSuse and must admitt it feels good ;)11:38
fw190have to switch to no unity system but it is fast and stable11:38
fw190DocScrutinizer - once again thanks11:39
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DocScrutinizer05fw190: yw13:09
fw190especialy the kadesu thing is usefull :) and ofcourse q and h ahahahahah13:09
DocScrutinizer05KDE-su13:09
DocScrutinizer05kdesu13:10
fw190yes yes typo from me as usual13:10
DocScrutinizer05fw190: btw you know you can select the desktop (KDE, LXDE...) in login screen?13:15
fw190a saw something13:15
fw190but decided to stick with kde for a while13:15
DocScrutinizer05:nod:13:15
fw190to check how it looks13:15
fw190but lxde is always a solution13:16
DocScrutinizer05well, I need heavy tweaks to KDE theme, to make it usable for me13:16
DocScrutinizer05e.g. I have a dedicated window-bar on top of screen13:17
fw190hmmm but i thought that the point of suse is KDE13:21
fw190if I would like to have lxde I could stick with lubuntu13:21
keriok ~desu13:22
DocScrutinizer05you could think of KDE as a point for Suse13:22
DocScrutinizer05but actually Suse point is Yast and commercial maintenance13:23
fw190hmmm that is a point13:23
DocScrutinizer05once they even had Gnome as default desktop (around Suse-8 iirc)13:23
fw190well I will check lxde then13:24
DocScrutinizer05then switched back to KDE as default13:24
fw190just to be sure what I want13:24
DocScrutinizer05good plan13:24
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chem|sto.O suse kde... the devil in disguise13:33
keriohaha13:38
fw190chem|st: it isn't that bad - since yesterday working al day long no problems oposite to Ubuntu Unity ;)13:43
chem|stfw190: my 5 debian systems have no issues...13:51
chem|stdebian based...13:52
chem|stbut no ubuntu13:52
chem|stmake it 6... I believe my TV is a debian fork as well13:52
fw190well merlin1991 pointes soem problems with laptop graphic cards as I recall13:53
fw190damn typos again13:55
DocScrutinizer05such things like gfx drivers are usually straight from upstream and thus basically identical on all distros13:55
DocScrutinizer05some distros do a better job in their installer, to actually set the driver up in a correct way13:56
DocScrutinizer05some don't13:56
DocScrutinizer05in that regard suse might not be top of the bunch13:57
DocScrutinizer05allegedly fedora is better13:57
DocScrutinizer05but I pretty much hate fedory UI13:58
DocScrutinizer05UX13:58
DocScrutinizer05whatever13:58
fw190DocScrutinizer: Suse dicovered my partitions from Ubuntu and left home intact will that happen with other distros to?13:58
DocScrutinizer05and they have no yast13:58
DocScrutinizer05dunno13:58
fw190this gave Suse a big plus from me13:58
fw1903h of copying files would hurt13:59
DocScrutinizer05that's genuine installer stuff, and will differ massively from distro to distro13:59
DocScrutinizer05I have to admit I rarely ever installed anything but Suse14:00
kerio"left home intact" what?14:01
DocScrutinizer05just *used* other systems with ready installed distro14:01
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: suse installer detects pretty much all existing partitions, analyzes them, and creates a sensible partitioning and mounting suggestion based on that analysis14:02
fw190kerio: didn't wipe that wjile partitioning14:02
kerioDocScrutinizer05: mounting another install's /home? D:14:02
fw190so I didn't have to partition it by myself14:02
fw190probably manulay partitionig would allow to have home intact on other distros but this can be tricky for unexperienced people lik eme14:03
DocScrutinizer05fw190: yast installer/partitioner will help even unexperienced users to tweak partitioning to whatever they like14:04
fw190hmmm didn't dare to try it but I gave it a look just to see what that was14:04
DocScrutinizer05you can accept the suggestion of the installer, modify it, or create a whole new partitoning scheme14:04
DocScrutinizer05it won't destroy anything until you finally hit the "ACCEPT" button on the big warning screen. So you can ply with it all you like14:05
DocScrutinizer05play14:05
fw190debian was my second choice after suse14:09
fw190and I would use lxde on it14:09
fw190so probably no difference for me if I would use lxde on suse14:09
DocScrutinizer05as mentioned before, debian probably comes without yast14:15
kerioyep14:17
fw190yes yes I thought about the generall daily use when everything is tweaked and set up14:17
kerioit also comes with apt14:17
keriowhich is better14:17
fw190kerio: doesn't suse have something similar14:18
kerioyast, yes14:18
keriobut it's not apt14:18
kerioso it's definetely awful14:19
fw190kerio: so why apt is better? just out of curiosity14:20
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keriofanboyism, mostly14:21
fw190kerio: I understand ;)14:23
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DocScrutinizer05misguided fanboyism, since Yast is a GUI tool as well as cmdline, and it's using yum, which in itself is probably just as good as apt14:53
DocScrutinizer05probably even beetr, since it can do search *and* install14:54
DocScrutinizer05but actually I'd not be surprised if you wouldn't notice it when I'd symlink apt-cache and apt-search to yum binary, and you would accept output of apt-cache search XY as the true thing while it's in fact yum14:58
DocScrutinizer05oops, s/yum/zypper/14:59
DocScrutinizer05yum was on my centOS server, same thing basically15:01
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DocScrutinizer05http://pastebin.ca/2215192  http://pastebin.ca/221519315:05
DocScrutinizer05kerio: look at zypper (2nd URL) and wheep over your apt crap15:07
keriowhy does it have a command to change config files? D:15:07
keriomy repos are in a text file!15:07
keriothis is blasphemy!15:07
keriothis is madness!15:07
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DocScrutinizer05http://de.opensuse.org/YaST_Module_Software-Management  and THAT is yast, you obviously can't compare it to apt at all15:14
DocScrutinizer05(actually just yast's software-management component)15:16
fw190kerio: this is Sparta hahhahha15:16
kerioi see a lot of german15:17
kerioi do not speak german15:17
DocScrutinizer05kerio: I could advice you to install yast to see the screens in english15:17
DocScrutinizer05;-P15:17
DocScrutinizer05I couldn't find a webpage with english screenshots15:18
DocScrutinizer05http://rajkov-blog.blogspot.de/  >>Apper<<  well, I'm obviously old school linux nerd that wants to deal with computer, not "simply install stuff"15:22
keriowat15:22
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DocScrutinizer05read blog and you'll understand15:30
DocScrutinizer05bottom line: recently they replaced/accompanied yast-sw-management with some dead silly app called "Apper" that does behave pretty much as simple (and stupid) as you'd probably find on most other distros15:32
DocScrutinizer05"too meet changed expectations of recent new generation of computer illiterates"15:32
fw190DocScrutinizer05: and this is ok if you look from a point off view from people like me15:38
fw190but the system should also have something under the hood for people with more advanced skills15:39
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marmistrzmerlin1991: ping18:26
merlin1991marmistrz: pong18:26
marmistrzso what are we doing with sqlite3?18:27
merlin1991ofc including :)18:27
marmistrz;)18:27
marmistrzyeah, but you said we need to find out the details18:27
merlin1991yeah, ie where is your codedrop :P18:27
marmistrzsource, you mean?18:29
merlin1991yep18:29
marmistrzhttp://marmistrz.net63.net/meecolay/sqlite3/18:29
marmistrzis anything else needed?18:37
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merlin1991did you modify the harmattan packaging in any way, or just ran a compile of it?18:41
marmistrzI might've modified the build depends to work with the sdk18:42
marmistrzand no debian/rules or src modifying.18:43
merlin1991hm what is lemon?18:44
merlin1991hm they seem to be fairly similar, okay I'll look into including it18:46
merlin1991can we count on you to check if something breaks thanks to updated sqlite3?18:47
merlin1991and one more thing, in your repo the .dsc file is missing18:47
marmistrzok, it's the 'deal': I may check whether its thanks to sqlite3, but I won't probably be able to fix it. brief look on the structure overwhelms me a little :D18:49
kerioD:18:51
merlin1991:D18:52
keriothat's it, i'm getting doc18:52
merlin1991just add the .dsc, so I can use dpkg-source -x ;)18:52
kerioDocScrutinizer05: *poke*18:52
marmistrzok, I'll add it later as my wireless mouse has no battery left! :)18:52
marmistrzand it'll be kinda hard right now ;)18:53
keriowhy do you need a mouse D:18:53
marmistrzwait, right! :D18:53
marmistrzchallenge accomplished :D dsc uploaded18:56
marmistrzgotta go, cya.18:56
marmistrzkerio: don't wake up the sleeping demon that scrutinizes :D18:57
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kerioit is too late now18:58
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merlin1991err kerio we've discussed including sqlite quite a few times already, it only never happened because of time19:25
Palimerlin1991, when will be meeting?19:45
merlin1991freemangordon: ping19:46
merlin1991and luf isn't even here19:47
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freemangordonmerlin1991: pong21:02
merlin1991you need to push your changes re openssl :D21:04
freemangordonmerlin1991: really? hehe, on it :)21:05
freemangordonmerlin1991: done21:06
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: eh?21:08
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freemangordonmerlin1991: he is here ^^^ :D:D:D21:49
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luffremangordon: I have to work for at least one hour.21:52
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DocScrutinizer05how about ally ou trolls bother to take the burden and look up in chanlog about my last comment regarding SQLite, instead of playing silly sneaky games here?22:03
DocScrutinizer05marmistrz obviously has NFC about my ultrasmart semantics-aware highlighting22:08
DocScrutinizer05;-P22:08
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Raimu:D22:18
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merlin1991btw freemangordon the openssl packaging is correct for debhelper < 5 :D22:54
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lufOk, I'm here for you.22:59
luf:)22:59
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lufmerlin1991: ping23:11
luffreemangordon: ping23:11
lufpali: ping23:11
Palipong23:11
lufMeeting?23:11
luf:)23:11
merlin1991arcean: ping23:15
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lufIt seems meeting will not be today. So I leave and I'll be inaccessible till Monday. I'll be on weekend house without internet connectivity.23:40
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lufI hope I'll muve futher with obexd + MAP so I can then focus on bluez-4.99 :)23:41
wmaronehmm23:43
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