IRC log of #maemo-ssu for Wednesday, 2012-09-26

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lufI have a problem with testing MAP :( I have no device which support MAP and the client part in obex supports only SetFolder, GetFolderListing and GetMessageListing. So it doesn't support GetMessage.09:16
lufAny idea? Anyone wants test experimental code? :)09:17
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lufNo brave man? :D Ok it's not needed now as I find a way how to test it.10:45
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luffremangordon: ping11:51
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fw190DocScrutinizer: openSuse is killing my hdd - any hints how to stop it?12:02
lufDocS: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/you_hdd :D :D It stop all your troubles wit opensuse after reboot :D12:08
luffw190: don't do it ;) it removes all data from the disk.12:08
fw190well12:09
fw190I had this problem with buntukh12:09
lufYou should find what is writing so much ... or maybe swapping? iostat/vmstat should be friends12:09
fw190and managed to do it12:09
fw190the hdd is stoping12:09
fw190and starting12:09
lufAhhh that.12:09
lufusually it's some power saving feature.12:10
lufhddparm ?12:10
lufMaybe also some bios settings.12:10
fw190I found this http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Laptop-mode12:11
fw190they state that suse is a no go12:11
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chem|stmay I have some support here? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=8703812:18
chem|stDocScrutinizer51: merlin1991 MohammadAG ^^12:18
chem|stfreemangordon: luf ^^12:18
DocScrutinizer51indexer12:31
DocScrutinizer51isn't it the same on all desktops?12:32
fw190DocScrutinizer51: Ubuntu had the same problem12:32
fw190I've been trying to use various hdparm command but othing12:32
fw190nothing12:32
DocScrutinizer51win and mac too12:32
DocScrutinizer51bs, that's not hdparm rel.ated12:32
lufDocScrutinizer51: stop and start disk rotation?12:33
lufhow can indexer stop disk rotation?12:33
fw190the disk was started and stopped for the last hour more than for the last 6 months with Ubuntu12:34
fw190hmmm  I did hdparm -B 254 /dev/sda and it stopped12:38
lufWhat stopped?12:40
fw190I found a sugestion to put a skript in /etc/pm/power.d  with #!/bin/bash hdparm -B 254 /dev/sda12:40
fw190well the disk isn't starting and stoping al the time12:40
fw190or a script like this: #!/bin/bash if on_ac_power; then   hdparm -B 254 /dev/sda else    hdparm -B 128 /dev/sda fi12:40
chem|stfw190: to disable spindown at all you set 25512:40
lufGood but the suggestion is strange. I think opensuse somewhere in start scripts set it ... so it should be easier to change it somewhere else.12:41
chem|stI set my drives with a windows to never spindown12:41
chem|sthardware wise12:41
fw190chem|st: thanks but in buntukh they sugested 25412:41
fw190well I could give it a try12:42
lufI don't think hdparm -B 128 /dev/sda is good for you even when on battery.12:42
lufLooking at "hdparm -I /dev/sda", seems the APM level on my drive was set  to 128, when the Ubuntu recommended fix is to set it to 255 (off) or  254 (lowest level).12:42
fw190the question is if I set it up to 255 will it be remebered after reboot?12:42
chem|stfw190: I dont know if you want to disable spindown?! I was just telling12:42
luffw190: it depends what you want and test ;)12:42
fw190luf: I didnt do the script12:42
fw190chem|st: 254 is quite long I think so it could be ok for me12:43
fw190luf: jus did the command with 25412:43
luffw190: if you want to learn more. Try to find where opensuse is setting hdparm for disks during boot. I think they do it as you didn't met the same with ubunut.12:43
lufchem|st: what kind of support you requested? I'm affraid I'm not keen enough for HW troubleshooting.12:45
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chem|stluf: supporting my idea of donating the devices to cssu12:49
DocScrutinizer51fw190: you configure such tings in Yast sysconfig editor12:53
DocScrutinizer51onviously suse decided you're running on a laptop12:53
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DocScrutinizer51there's also /etc/sysconfig/* but you got a nice editor for that stuff in yast12:54
fw190DocScrutinizer: give me a minute12:54
DocScrutinizer51sorry I don't have a minute12:55
DocScrutinizer51and I have no linux here at work12:55
fw190ok12:56
DocScrutinizer51generally on suse all scripts in etc/init.d make heavy use of config in /etc/sysconfig/*12:57
fw190I will check yast for this but do not know how does it sound in Polish12:57
fw190will have a look12:57
fw190thanks for the tip12:57
DocScrutinizer51np12:57
DocScrutinizer51just a tip to not mess with init.d/* unless you checked sysconfig12:57
DocScrutinizer51the sysconfig editor in yast is kinda nice, has search12:58
DocScrutinizer51chem|st: what's your ping been about?12:59
DocScrutinizer51support about what?13:01
chem|stDocScrutinizer51: supporting the idea of donating devices to cssu13:04
DocScrutinizer51fw190: if  you don't know where/how to touch/tackle: frep etc/init.d for hdparm. in that file you find a file from /etc/sysconfig sourced at beginning. look into this file and you know the name of the sysonfig $env you then can search for in yast's sysconfig editor (you *could* as well edit the file in sysconfig, but I'd discourage you to do so)13:04
DocScrutinizer51chem|st: sounds good13:05
chem|stDocScrutinizer51: I decided to have my desktop run in laptop-mode... saves power! apart of stuff like spinning down harddrives and stuff13:05
DocScrutinizer51got my last post trunkated?13:05
chem|stlast line is "file in sysconfig, but I'd discourage you to do so)"13:06
DocScrutinizer51k13:06
DocScrutinizer51bbl13:06
DocScrutinizer51much l13:06
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lufOMG why mp-fremantle-community-pr has dependency in busybox-symlinks-procps and disallow procps? I want to have nice ps not the shit from busybox :(14:25
lufI don't understand why there is dependency on all symlinks for busybox :(14:27
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kerioluf: because ham can't upgrade non-user packages without a dependency on the metapackage14:51
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lufBut how can I be notified about CSSU upgrade without metapackage?14:51
kerio\_o_/14:56
keriomake a fake busybox-symlinks-procps14:57
lufkerio: Are you joking?14:58
kerionot one bit14:58
lufWhy CSSU should force users to such fucking things like ps (symlink to busybox). It's the freedom I hear about here?14:59
keriowoooooooooooooah there15:00
kerioeasy15:02
keriomerlin1991: *poke*15:02
keriohow do we solve this?15:02
lufkerio: If the dependency on busybox-symlinks is a must then there has to be dependency like busybox-symlinks-XYZ || XYZ15:04
kerioluf: to be honest procps is a fucking mess15:04
luf:D15:04
kerioDocScrutinizer05: did you fix procps yet?15:04
kerioluf: it should be gnuified15:04
keriobecause, well, ps *is* a system binary15:04
kerioregardless of its substitutability15:04
lufgnuified makes sense.15:05
kerioexcept that procps isn't gnu15:05
kerio:315:05
luf:D15:05
kerioi just don't get why this stuff doesn't use dpkg diversions instead of conflicting15:06
keriodivert /bin/ps to /bin/ps.distrib for everything except procps15:07
kerioand stuff15:07
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fw190this openSuse isn't bad16:48
fw190;)16:49
kerioidea: make apt use /home/.apt-archive-cache by default16:59
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DocScrutinizer05optify procps? are you mad?18:51
kerioDocScrutinizer05: wat18:52
kerioi said gnuify18:52
DocScrutinizer05aaah, yep, then you could even optify it ;-P18:54
DocScrutinizer05fw190: fine :-)18:54
* DocScrutinizer05 already is excited to call gps then instead ps ;-P18:56
keriowe'll make a stallmann cry if we put the procps stuff in /usr/bin/gnu18:56
DocScrutinizer05IDGAF18:57
fw190DocScrutinizer05: still I have no solution for the HDD18:57
fw190couldn't find the settings18:57
DocScrutinizer05 mompls18:57
fw190mompls?18:59
keriogooby pls18:59
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DocScrutinizer05~mompls19:09
DocScrutinizer05~mompl19:10
infobothmm... mompl is a stupid short form for "moment please"19:10
DocScrutinizer05fw190: please check >>  man hdparm|less -i +'/-S '19:10
DocScrutinizer05man hdparm|less -i +'/-S '19:10
DocScrutinizer05^^^for easier c&p ;-)19:10
DocScrutinizer05fw190: there's not a single call to hdparm in *my* /etc19:11
DocScrutinizer05only thing grep found been: /etc/sysconfig/ide:# mode) or any mode supported by hdparm (e.g. "mdma2", "udma5", ...)19:12
fw190DocScrutinizer: dumb question - should I put it into termina?19:12
DocScrutinizer05but that file "ide" only defines DEVICES_FORCE_IDE_DMA and that's never used19:12
DocScrutinizer05:nod:19:12
DocScrutinizer05a terminal/shell command19:12
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DocScrutinizer05anyway -S is sticky19:13
DocScrutinizer05in HDD19:13
fw190I posted into terminal man hdparm|less -i +'/-S ' and something long poped out19:14
DocScrutinizer05while I actually never before heard of -B19:14
DocScrutinizer05lol19:14
DocScrutinizer05you *might* want to try <spacebar>, "b", <pgup>, pgdown>, and 'h'19:15
fw190something long isn't precise I know19:15
fw190ok I'm at the end19:15
DocScrutinizer05esp h and q are good keys ;-D19:15
DocScrutinizer05but <space> and cursor keys are also nice19:16
DocScrutinizer05sorry for the unconvenience19:16
fw190this suse thingy isn't as easy as I thought19:17
DocScrutinizer05Iprobably could've shared an instruction how to display the manpage in konqueror19:17
fw190I can see the man page19:17
fw190but the thing is how to stop the hdd stoping19:18
DocScrutinizer05yeah indeed it should be just like >> man hdparm << just with positioning to parameter "-S"19:18
kerioDocScrutinizer05: konqueror has a way to read man pages?19:18
kerio:o19:18
DocScrutinizer05that's written exactly on your screen when you do >> man hdparm|less -i +'/-S ' <<19:18
DocScrutinizer05kerio: indeed19:19
DocScrutinizer05#hdparm19:19
DocScrutinizer05and ##hdparm is the info page ;-P19:19
kerioi bet it's some KIOslave bullshit19:19
fw190DocScrutinizer: Get/set  Advanced  Power  Management feature, if the drive supports it. A low               value means aggressive power management and a high value means better perfor-               mance.  Possible settings range from values 1 through 127 (which permit spin-               down), and values 128 through 254 (which do not permit spin-down).  The high-               est degree of power management is attained with a se19:19
DocScrutinizer05prolly :-P19:19
fw190this is for B19:19
DocScrutinizer05fw, goddamn, do you think I haven't already read it?19:19
fw190sory19:20
kerioDocScrutinizer05: don't be mad at him :(19:20
DocScrutinizer05nah19:20
fw190it is hard to me to understand it in English19:20
fw190I mean the things you write and I shoul do19:20
DocScrutinizer05I'm happy, I'm out of office, and tonight a favoourite band of mine is playing live here19:20
DocScrutinizer05fw190: sorry. wait a minute19:21
DocScrutinizer05fw190: >> A value of zero means "timeouts  are  disabled"<< so please use:19:21
DocScrutinizer05hdparm -S 0 /dev/hda    <<replace hda with your actual drive name19:22
DocScrutinizer05instead of hdparm -B 254 you use hdparm -S 019:23
DocScrutinizer05once19:23
DocScrutinizer05it sticks19:23
DocScrutinizer05it should, at least19:23
DocScrutinizer05unless *your* suse installation actually touches hdparm during boot (which I doubt, judging from my installation)19:24
fw190irc stopped working19:24
fw190a now it works19:24
fw190well the first command worked19:24
DocScrutinizer05umpf, what's last line you read?19:24
fw190setting standby to 0 (off)19:24
DocScrutinizer05lol, I meant IRC19:25
fw190I was unable to post19:25
fw190I can read19:25
DocScrutinizer05though >>setting standby to 0 (off)<< is pretty good :-)19:25
fw190anyway19:25
fw190the second command19:25
fw190doesn't work19:25
fw190I think there has to be the disc19:25
DocScrutinizer05sure19:26
fw190pointed19:26
fw190as a info table opos out19:26
DocScrutinizer05??19:26
keriofw190: is this a laptop?19:26
keriois the noise from the HD a problem?19:27
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fw190_sory19:28
fw190_webchat dead19:28
fw190_I was asking if now the disc wont spin down after next reboot?19:28
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DocScrutinizer05fw190: if you gave command "hdparm -S 0 /dev/<your-drive>" and got answer "setting standby to 0 (off)", then the drive shouldn't spin down anymore form now on19:31
DocScrutinizer05if it still does, something is forcing spindown of drive, maybe your BIOS, or some weird shit in OS19:32
kerionope19:37
DocScrutinizer05eh?19:37
DocScrutinizer05nopen?19:38
DocScrutinizer05halebop:~ # hdparm -B /dev/sda19:38
DocScrutinizer05/dev/sda:19:38
DocScrutinizer05 APM_level      = 12819:38
DocScrutinizer05FWIW19:38
kerioi meant that fw190 left19:38
kerio:)19:38
DocScrutinizer05dang, last time I looked into hdparm regarding spindown has to be like 5 years ago19:41
DocScrutinizer05or longer19:42
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: sorry, I'm not available today, will join a fehlfarben concert in an hour19:43
kerioDocScrutinizer05: i just listened to a song19:49
kerionot bad19:49
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: otoh, 4 days ago i watched radiohead live :319:50
fw190kerio: yes a laptop19:50
fw190the noise isn't a problem19:50
keriofw190: do you want it to spin down or not?19:51
fw190I don't want it to spin down every 3s19:51
fw190as this is the way it happens now19:51
fw190jus rebooted19:51
fw190and the problem is bac19:51
fw190I have to type the command Doc posted again to stop it19:51
DocScrutinizer05then you probably have a setting for that in your BIOS config19:52
fw190stoping so often can't be good for the hdd19:52
fw190Ok19:52
fw190I will chceck the BIOS19:52
DocScrutinizer05however you can add that command to some initscript19:52
keriofw190: see, this is what happens when you don't buy a SSD ;)19:52
DocScrutinizer05or even create your won initscript19:53
keriorc.local is probably the place19:53
DocScrutinizer05no such thing on suse19:53
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keriomadness19:53
fw190I read a tutroial somewhere to19:53
DocScrutinizer05rc.local is madness19:53
fw190add a script for this19:53
keriooh, it's been poetteringized already?19:53
DocScrutinizer05indeed, recent version got poetteringized19:54
DocScrutinizer05but that's not why rc.local never existed on suse initV either19:54
keriok19:54
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DocScrutinizer05echo "/sbin/hdparm -S 0 /dev/sda" >>/etc/init.d/boot.local19:57
DocScrutinizer05fw190: ^^^19:57
DocScrutinizer05then19:57
DocScrutinizer05less /etc/init.d/boot.local19:57
DocScrutinizer05to see if it looks good still19:58
DocScrutinizer05or >>mcedit /etc/init.d/boot.local19:59
fw190I did the two19:59
fw190now the tricky part19:59
DocScrutinizer05the tricky part?19:59
fw190how to explain what I see in English19:59
fw190;)19:59
DocScrutinizer05patbinit /etc/init.d/boot.local20:00
DocScrutinizer05pastebinit /etc/init.d/boot.local20:00
DocScrutinizer05actually20:00
fw190"/sbin/hdparm -S 0 /dev/sda"20:00
fw190this is at the end20:00
DocScrutinizer05or simply paste the output of >> tail -n 2 /etc/init.d/boot.local << here20:00
DocScrutinizer05well, looks good20:01
fw190one question20:01
fw190now in the terminal I have this script20:01
fw190how to exit it?20:01
DocScrutinizer05I hope sda is actually your HDD?20:01
fw190previosuly Ijust closed the terminal20:01
fw190yes it is20:01
DocScrutinizer05q20:01
fw190thanks20:02
fw190suse is not so easy as buntukh20:02
DocScrutinizer05toldya h and q are very useful20:02
fw190to long on it20:02
fw190I will reboot to see what happens20:02
DocScrutinizer05duh, you think this would've been any easier on buntkuh?20:02
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DocScrutinizer05buntkuh less is exactly the same as suse less20:03
DocScrutinizer05however you actually should do >> grep -r hdparm /etc <<20:04
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DocScrutinizer05grep -r hdparm /etc20:04
DocScrutinizer05and tell if there's any hit except that one you just created in boot.local20:05
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fw190DocScrutinizer: same thing after reboot20:07
fw190maybe the script should execute "hdparm -B 254 /dev/sda" instead of "hdparm -S 0 /dev/sda"20:09
fw190as only thi first stopps the madnes20:09
DocScrutinizer05well, then it probably should do that, yes20:10
DocScrutinizer05*sigh*20:10
keriofw190: hdparm -B 254 -S 0 /dev/sda20:11
fw190I just posted yor comands sory20:11
keriobut then it won't spindown20:11
kerioever20:11
fw190will change that with kwriter20:11
fw190kerio: I thought that with 255 it doesn't spin down ever20:11
fw190anyway I had 254 on ubuntu for 2 ears20:11
kerio-S 0 disables spindown i think20:12
DocScrutinizer05yes20:14
DocScrutinizer05it's supposed to work since longer than -B even existed, and it's supposed to be non-volatile in HDD flash storage20:15
DocScrutinizer05but it might get reset when BIOS does some "-B" during POST20:16
DocScrutinizer05I'd really love to see fw190 following our suggestions, e.g. do the suggested grep in /etc20:17
DocScrutinizer05since I got no mood to fix this on a try&error approach20:18
fw190DocScrutinizer: I have missed that sugestion20:18
fw190this is maybe why  I haven't done it20:18
DocScrutinizer05[2012-09-26 19:04:10] <DocScrutinizer05> however you actually should do >> grep -r hdparm /etc <<20:18
DocScrutinizer05[2012-09-26 19:04:26] <DocScrutinizer05> grep -r hdparm /etc20:18
DocScrutinizer05[2012-09-26 19:05:06] <DocScrutinizer05> and tell if there's any hit except that one you just created in boot.local20:18
DocScrutinizer05[2012-09-26 19:07:02] <fw190> DocScrutinizer: same thing after reboot20:18
fw190"/etc/sysconfig/ide:# mode) or any mode supported by hdparm (e.g. "mdma2", "udma5", ...)"20:21
DocScrutinizer05only one?20:21
fw190thera are now 3 line20:21
fw190but culdnt paste them20:21
fw190"/etc/init.d/boot.local:/sbin/hdparm -S 0 /dev/sda"20:21
DocScrutinizer05that's yours20:22
fw190"/etc/init.d/boot.local:/sbin/hdparm -B 254 -S 0 /dev/sda"20:22
fw190that is it20:22
DocScrutinizer05you better edit /etc/init.d/boot.local now20:22
DocScrutinizer05since you appended that line two times20:22
fw190I was just googling how tolaunch Kwrite from terminal ;)20:22
fw190with root privilage20:23
DocScrutinizer05sudo kwrite20:23
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fw190when you told me to grep20:23
DocScrutinizer05or rather20:23
DocScrutinizer05sudo kwrite /etc/init.d/boot.local20:23
fw190not su?20:23
fw190sudo gives error20:23
DocScrutinizer05or you're probably already root anyway20:23
fw190damn20:23
fw190I am20:23
fw190it is on red20:23
DocScrutinizer05kwrite /etc/init.d/boot.local20:24
fw190"kwrite(2518)/kdeui (kdelibs): Session bus not found"20:24
DocScrutinizer05yay20:24
fw190"kwrite: cannot connect to X server"20:26
fw190damn I'm to stupid for this linux thing20:26
DocScrutinizer05fw190: in menu there's "execute command..." (second from bottom)20:29
DocScrutinizer05there'll pop up a small textbox20:29
DocScrutinizer05enter: "kdesu kwrite"20:30
fw190did that20:31
DocScrutinizer05sed -i 's/sbin/hdparm -S 0 /dev/sda//' /etc/init.d/boot.local20:32
DocScrutinizer05or you do that one ^^^20:32
DocScrutinizer05*OR*20:32
DocScrutinizer05in terminal, as root20:32
fw190I have Kwrite opened20:32
DocScrutinizer05fine20:32
DocScrutinizer05open /etc/init.d/boot.local20:32
DocScrutinizer05edit20:32
DocScrutinizer05save20:32
fw190shupuld I opeen the file and edit it from Kwrite20:32
DocScrutinizer05yes20:33
fw190done20:34
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fw190restarting the system20:34
fw190or check it onther way20:34
fw190?20:34
DocScrutinizer05fine, then I hope it will execute your magic hdparm command on every boot now20:34
fw190will test20:34
DocScrutinizer05you can test other way20:34
fw190ps20:34
DocScrutinizer05just execute the script20:35
fw190pm me on TMO your address - I owe you a biiig Koelsh or something like that20:35
DocScrutinizer05I.E in terminal as root you enter20:35
DocScrutinizer05/etc/init.d/boot.local20:35
DocScrutinizer05since that will do exactly what is done during boot as well20:36
fw190setting Advanced Power Management level to 0xfe (254)20:36
DocScrutinizer05just will show feedback diagnostic prints on your shell, unlike during boot20:36
fw190setting standby to 0 (off)20:37
fw190APM_level      = 25420:37
fw190that is what it showed20:37
DocScrutinizer05mhm20:37
DocScrutinizer05sounds good20:37
DocScrutinizer05boot20:37
fw190thanks20:37
DocScrutinizer05yw20:37
fw190koelsh it is20:38
fw190I need Lech Pils20:38
DocScrutinizer05cya, fehlfarben not waiting for me20:38
fw190bye20:38
fw190to all- sory for being clumsy and dumb with my problem20:42
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DocScrutinizer05never excuse [J.L. Gibbs]20:45
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