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| freemangordon | kerio: still want moar thumb? | 12:15 |
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| kerio | hell yeah dawg | 12:15 |
| kerio | what are you recompiling? :3 | 12:16 |
| freemangordon | would you like to test gdigicam and gst-plugins-bad? | 12:16 |
| kerio | what's gdigicam? | 12:16 |
| freemangordon | part of camera interface | 12:16 |
| kerio | sure | 12:17 |
| freemangordon | http://merlin1991.at/~freemangordon/cssu-thumb/ | 12:18 |
| freemangordon | kerio: have in mind i didn't tried that | 12:18 |
| kerio | wooooooooah | 12:19 |
| kerio | that's a lot of thumb | 12:19 |
| freemangordon | (i am in the office, no second device here) | 12:19 |
| freemangordon | well, you need only a part of it | 12:19 |
| kerio | which parts? | 12:20 |
| freemangordon | libgdigicam-gst-camerabin0, libgdigicam0, gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad and gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-extra | 12:20 |
| freemangordon | kerio: I repeat, I just built those, didn;t try them. be prepared ;) | 12:20 |
| kerio | yeah, yeah, backupping | 12:21 |
| freemangordon | once you confirm the device still boots, I will upload them in the repo and will install on my primary device | 12:22 |
| freemangordon | cannot risk now, as I will be left without a phone :D | 12:22 |
| kerio | you can do what i'm doing | 12:22 |
| freemangordon | ok | 12:22 |
| kerio | backup, try, restore if fail | 12:22 |
| freemangordon | no BM here | 12:22 |
| freemangordon | ;) | 12:22 |
| kerio | ... | 12:22 |
| kerio | you could **install BM** | 12:22 |
| kerio | it's glorious | 12:22 |
| freemangordon | I already told you why | 12:22 |
| freemangordon | I don;t want to feel more "safe" than those I expect to install -thumb ;) | 12:23 |
| kerio | that's silly | 12:23 |
| freemangordon | no, it is not | 12:23 |
| kerio | also, the CSSU instructions include installing BM | 12:23 |
| freemangordon | I have second device to play with | 12:23 |
| freemangordon | anywy, no BM menu | 12:24 |
| kerio | BM menu? | 12:24 |
| kerio | do you input your PIN number when you get money from the ATM machine? | 12:24 |
| kerio | alright, installing | 12:28 |
| kerio | should i reboot before testing if camera-ui runs fine? | 12:28 |
| kerio | freemangordon: are you sure it's just those four packages? | 12:29 |
| freemangordon | yes (to both questions). though you may check you you have some of the other packages installed | 12:31 |
| freemangordon | s/you you/if you/ | 12:31 |
| freemangordon | ~ping | 12:31 |
| kerio | doesn't seem like it | 12:31 |
| freemangordon | then only 4 :) | 12:31 |
| kerio | well camera-ui launches and i can see stuff | 12:32 |
| freemangordon | should be enough gst-...-bad is big | 12:32 |
| freemangordon | good | 12:32 |
| freemangordon | stuff? | 12:32 |
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| kerio | the outside of my window n shit | 12:32 |
| freemangordon | kerio: what stuff? | 12:32 |
| freemangordon | aah, ok :P | 12:33 |
| freemangordon | could you take a picture/video? | 12:33 |
| freemangordon | *can | 12:33 |
| kerio | took picture, took video, played video back, admired the picture | 12:33 |
| kerio | felt mentally rinvigourated by the art | 12:33 |
| freemangordon | ok, now mediaplayer. does it still play videos? | 12:34 |
| kerio | <kerio> [...] played video back [...] | 12:34 |
| kerio | i should probably do this test again after i rebooted, though | 12:34 |
| freemangordon | kerio: but of course you need a reboot | 12:34 |
| freemangordon | (even if just in case) | 12:34 |
| kerio | why? camera-ui was launched for the first time after installing dem packages | 12:35 |
| freemangordon | does not matter | 12:35 |
| freemangordon | I need to be sure the device still boots | 12:35 |
| kerio | boots | 12:35 |
| kerio | hm, and i can't record a video D: | 12:36 |
| freemangordon | ? | 12:36 |
| kerio | hm, i can but it's slow as shit | 12:36 |
| freemangordon | HD? | 12:37 |
| kerio | ok, now it's better | 12:37 |
| kerio | no, no hd | 12:37 |
| kerio | heh, apart for a tiny moment in the beginning, it feels snappier now | 12:37 |
| freemangordon | also have in mind you need a couple of minutes for device to settle down after a reboot | 12:37 |
| kerio | yeah, good point | 12:37 |
| kerio | anyway, videos work | 12:37 |
| kerio | and it boots, anyway | 12:38 |
| freemangordon | ok, new update then :D | 12:38 |
| tadzik | \o/ | 12:38 |
| kerio | \o/ | 12:38 |
| kerio | is tracker thumb-compiled? | 12:38 |
| freemangordon | no | 12:39 |
| freemangordon | in the next update | 12:39 |
| freemangordon | don;t want a pile of packages in an update | 12:39 |
| freemangordon | (new ones) | 12:39 |
| freemangordon | new update is out | 12:40 |
| kerio | you should test it too | 12:40 |
| kerio | maybe i lied | 12:40 |
| freemangordon | yes | 12:41 |
| freemangordon | going to update | 12:41 |
| kerio | heh, i only have to update the mp | 12:41 |
| freemangordon | 100kB less :) | 12:44 |
| freemangordon | (according to HAM) | 12:45 |
| freemangordon | dafaq, camera-ui launches in second or something :D | 12:51 |
| kerio | freemangordon: recompile *all* the codecs! _ò/ | 12:53 |
| freemangordon | kerio: I will | 12:53 |
| freemangordon | well, it is only gst-plugins-good that remain | 12:53 |
| freemangordon | i.e. gstreamer-0.10 :D | 12:54 |
| kerio | and ogg support! and decoder support! | 12:54 |
| freemangordon | aah, come on | 12:54 |
| freemangordon | find more people :P | 12:54 |
| kerio | freemangordon: find more cpus and distcc | 12:56 |
| freemangordon | kerio: It is not lack of cpus, but lack of free time | 12:58 |
| kerio | freemangordon: find less job | 12:58 |
| freemangordon | for more money? if you find one, you know where to find me :P | 12:59 |
| kerio | hey, who said anything about money? :P | 12:59 |
| freemangordon | me :D | 12:59 |
| kerio | well too bad | 12:59 |
| kerio | no soup for you | 12:59 |
| freemangordon | hehe | 13:00 |
| luf | kerio: no -thumb package for you :D | 13:00 |
| freemangordon | :D:D:D | 13:01 |
| freemangordon | exactly | 13:01 |
| kerio | :c | 13:01 |
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| Pali | we need COBS | 13:53 |
| Pali | and button "recompile all" | 13:53 |
| freemangordon | hehe | 13:53 |
| freemangordon | Pali: won't work, most f the packages won'r recompile with newer toolcahin | 13:54 |
| freemangordon | without manual work | 13:54 |
| Pali | and have in COBS our patched toolchain which add -mthumb by default | 13:54 |
| Pali | when compiling gcc you can specify which mode is by default (arm or thumb) | 13:55 |
| Pali | freemangordon, what manual work is needed? | 13:55 |
| freemangordon | well , besides debian/control and chagelog, some packages refuse to compile wiht newer toolchain, for various reasons | 13:56 |
| kerio | Pali: for instance, mame 0.137 spews an outrageous amount of warnings when compiled with gcc 4.7 | 13:56 |
| kerio | and it compiles with -Werror by default :) | 13:56 |
| Pali | ok, so problem is with new gcc | 13:57 |
| freemangordon | no, it is not ;) | 13:57 |
| freemangordon | see this https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/gdigicam/commit/0d8dc46d739119c8276bb6ac78c197caba48c49b | 13:57 |
| kerio | Pali: more often than not, it's a problem with the source :) | 13:57 |
| freemangordon | for an example | 13:57 |
| Pali | ah, I understand now | 13:57 |
| Pali | who can write this?? va_list args = NULL; | 13:58 |
| freemangordon | Nokia? | 13:58 |
| kerio | hehehe | 13:58 |
| Pali | and this software is running on my mobile phone? | 13:58 |
| freemangordon | Contact: Alexander Bokovoy <alexander.bokovoy@nokia.com> | 13:58 |
| freemangordon | Pali: yes :D | 13:58 |
| Pali | it really running? | 13:58 |
| kerio | Pali: well, what's the big deal? | 13:58 |
| kerio | it's just an unneeded assignment | 13:59 |
| freemangordon | gdigicam is a part of camera interface | 13:59 |
| kerio | args is initialized right below | 13:59 |
| freemangordon | Pali: you may want to look in tinymail commits for -thumb, you won;t believe it | 13:59 |
| kerio | probably gcc 4.2 isn't smart enough to figure that out | 13:59 |
| kerio | but gcc 4.7 is | 13:59 |
| Pali | it is not possible to tell gcc 4.7 to compile this code too? | 14:00 |
| kerio | sure, but it spews out a warning | 14:00 |
| Pali | with some -Wno-something- ? | 14:00 |
| freemangordon | you want *THIS* code still running on your device? | 14:00 |
| kerio | i don't see the big deal \_o_/ | 14:00 |
| kerio | Pali: probably | 14:00 |
| kerio | but then you disable that kind of warning | 14:01 |
| Pali | freemangordon, of cource not, but recompiling packages for thumb should be done automatically | 14:01 |
| freemangordon | https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/tinymail/commit/1955bad9fa612e7313ad753726e8cda68f14d0a8 | 14:01 |
| Pali | we do not have people for manual work | 14:01 |
| freemangordon | remember that? | 14:01 |
| Pali | yes | 14:01 |
| freemangordon | well, I prefer to fix the code and to be sure it is ok, than to supress warnings and wait the device to explode in my face because newer gcc compiled the buggy code slightly differently | 14:03 |
| Pali | ok | 14:03 |
| kerio | +1 | 14:03 |
| freemangordon | though it should be ok for the stuff in extras(auto-rebuild) | 14:04 |
| freemangordon | excluding ystem libraries | 14:05 |
| freemangordon | *system | 14:05 |
| freemangordon | hmm, the next comes mafw-dbus-wrapper and gstreamer | 14:06 |
| freemangordon | guys, what about including system wide equalizer? | 14:07 |
| freemangordon | there is source code on gitorious, but it should be trivial even that code is missing | 14:08 |
| Pali | if it will be disabled by default and have some nice GUI, it is OK for me | 14:08 |
| freemangordon | that is teh idea | 14:09 |
| Pali | there was discussion about it in OMP thread | 14:09 |
| freemangordon | i can look in gstreamer eq plugin, to see if it can be NEON-optimized | 14:09 |
| freemangordon | that way overhead will be minimal | 14:09 |
| kerio | freemangordon: the audio chip can do equalizing iirc | 14:10 |
| kerio | some dude in #maemo made it work, eventually | 14:10 |
| freemangordon | kerio: I know | 14:10 |
| freemangordon | I know | 14:10 |
| kerio | well, you're the dsp dude | 14:10 |
| freemangordon | but there is noone to maintain the driver | 14:10 |
| freemangordon | DSP is a different kind of beer | 14:10 |
| kerio | oh, it's actually right before the output? | 14:10 |
| freemangordon | DSP? | 14:11 |
| kerio | no, the equalizer | 14:11 |
| freemangordon | cannot parse | 14:11 |
| kerio | nvm | 14:11 |
| kerio | ignore me | 14:11 |
| freemangordon | which eq, audio chip or gstreamer? | 14:11 |
| kerio | audio chip | 14:11 |
| freemangordon | yes, it is right before the output | 14:11 |
| Pali | freemangordon, there is also pulseaudio equalizer plugin | 14:12 |
| Pali | but no idea if it is in maemo pulseaudio version... | 14:12 |
| freemangordon | pulseaudio? but we want gstreamer plugin, disabled by default,in mafw chain, activated by DBUS call and with UI called using a dbus call | 14:13 |
| freemangordon | that way OMP will need 3 more lines of code, 2 to enable/disable on startup/exit, and one to invoke it from the menu | 14:14 |
| Pali | ok | 14:14 |
| freemangordon | *to invoke UI | 14:14 |
| kerio | i wonder if the audio chip can be used to do the speaker protection | 14:14 |
| freemangordon | we need to discuss that with merlin1991 | 14:15 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: see the backscroll please | 14:15 |
| freemangordon | kerio: yes, it can be programmed as highpass filter | 14:15 |
| kerio | i mean, pulseaudio uses a ridiculous amount of CPU | 14:16 |
| freemangordon | ? | 14:16 |
| freemangordon | are you sure? | 14:16 |
| freemangordon | any clue where is the code that does that? | 14:16 |
| kerio | it certainly *feels* like it | 14:16 |
| kerio | is pulse thumby already? | 14:17 |
| freemangordon | no | 14:19 |
| freemangordon | but sounds like a good addition to mafw and gstreamer for the next update | 14:19 |
| freemangordon | hmm, that should save a good amount of battery :D | 14:20 |
| freemangordon | having in mind the performance defference between gcc 4.2.1 and 4.7.2 | 14:20 |
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| kerio | freemangordon: can 720p support be shipped with CSSU? | 17:17 |
| kerio | in theory, i mean | 17:17 |
| kerio | are there known regressions? would it be legal to do so? | 17:17 |
| Raimu | Issues with old, unupdated software yes, legal not unless permissions are obtained. | 17:22 |
| kerio | Raimu: CSSU has permissions to ship stuff that's (c) Nokia to use on the n900 | 17:23 |
| Raimu | At least to my knowledge there was some app (there always is, isn't there) that didn't function similarly anymore after copying the new DSP binaries over. | 17:24 |
| Raimu | kerio: Though if the DSP binaries are "used by Nokia by kind permission of TI" or something like that, then it's a different can of worms. | 17:24 |
| kerio | yeah, yeah | 17:24 |
| freemangordon | Raimu: there are no known regressions, the last one was ABC and it is fixed | 17:25 |
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| Raimu | freemangordon, Oh OK, cool. | 17:25 |
| kerio | freemangordon: what's "openmax" again? | 17:25 |
| freemangordon | though you are right abou DSP binaries | 17:25 |
| freemangordon | http://www.khronos.org/openmax/ | 17:26 |
| freemangordon | Raimu: and I was working on gst-dsp version compatible with both stock and harm DSP binaries | 17:26 |
| kerio | well, programs that use openmax won't work if you install your 720p thing, right? | 17:26 |
| freemangordon | now the work is suspended, but i'll resume it soon | 17:26 |
| kerio | because you have to remove gstreamer0.10-openmax | 17:27 |
| freemangordon | kerio: gstreamer0.10-openmax! read it 3 times ;) | 17:27 |
| kerio | what did i say? :o | 17:28 |
| freemangordon | the same as gstreamer-ffmpeg | 17:28 |
| freemangordon | does uninstalling gstreamer ffmpeg plugin lead to programs using ffmpeg not work? | 17:28 |
| kerio | hm | 17:29 |
| kerio | i see | 17:29 |
| kerio | and libgstdsp.so is the gstreamer library that uses the dsp codecs? | 17:32 |
| freemangordon | exactly | 17:40 |
| kerio | why isn't it packaged? :c | 17:48 |
| jon_y | kerio: because the good stuff is always wrapped under covers? :) | 17:53 |
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| kerio | freemangordon: what exactly is incompatible between gstreamer0.10-openmax and gstreamer0.10-gstdsp? | 18:10 |
| freemangordon | gstreamer0.10-openmax has higher priority (in terms of gst plugins) | 18:11 |
| kerio | i see | 18:11 |
| kerio | can we change priorities? | 18:11 |
| freemangordon | they are in the code. and it makes no sense to keep gst-openmax, as all of the codecs it supports are supported in gst-dsp too | 18:12 |
| kerio | alright then | 18:15 |
| kerio | so the packaging would need libgstdsp.so in gstreamer0.10-gstdsp and then a metapackage 720p-support that conflicts with openmax and depends on the codecs | 18:16 |
| kerio | how smooth is 720p recording without overclocking the dsp? | 18:16 |
| freemangordon | kerio: something like that, though I would do it by dummy openmax package | 18:17 |
| kerio | no, that leads to pain and suffering | 18:17 |
| freemangordon | you won;t be able to install via HAM | 18:17 |
| freemangordon | if there is no dump package | 18:17 |
| freemangordon | *dumb | 18:18 |
| kerio | at best you could make gstreamer0.10-gstdsp provide and conflict with gstreamer0.10-openmax | 18:18 |
| kerio | freemangordon: you won't be able to install via HAM anyway | 18:18 |
| kerio | because those packages won't be in a repo | 18:18 |
| freemangordon | why? | 18:18 |
| freemangordon | in which repo? | 18:18 |
| kerio | exactly ;) | 18:18 |
| freemangordon | well, I would solve political issues once technical are solved ;) | 18:19 |
| freemangordon | s/would/will/ | 18:19 |
| freemangordon | ~ing | 18:19 |
| freemangordon | ~ping | 18:19 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: ^^^ | 18:19 |
| freemangordon | she is sleeping :) | 18:19 |
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| kerio | freemangordon: HAM needs to be fixed to allow proper dpkg compliance | 18:26 |
| kerio | i wonder if "use APT algorithms" would make stuff like that work | 18:28 |
| * merlin1991 reads backscroll from maker | 18:31 | |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: equalizer addition sounds good | 18:36 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: did you see the problrm with openssl and dbg symbols i posted? | 18:36 |
| merlin1991 | yes | 18:36 |
| freemangordon | ok | 18:37 |
| merlin1991 | did you push your packaging changes for that to openssl master? | 18:37 |
| merlin1991 | or should I cherry-pick htem? | 18:37 |
| freemangordon | no, you should cherry-pick | 18:37 |
| freemangordon | i didn't think master is affected too :) | 18:37 |
| merlin1991 | okay I'll do that then | 18:38 |
| freemangordon | ok | 18:38 |
| merlin1991 | do we have any other not reported bugs besides the bt name issue currently (not reported as in not in the bugtracker)? | 18:39 |
| luf | merlin1991: do you mean also bluez-4.99? | 18:43 |
| merlin1991 | luf: I mean in the current -testing release or is the whole bt name issue only with bluez 4.99 ? | 18:44 |
| luf | Only in bluez-4.99. | 18:44 |
| merlin1991 | oh then I missed that :/+ | 18:45 |
| merlin1991 | s#/+#/# | 18:45 |
| luf | No problem. | 18:45 |
| merlin1991 | bah why can't infobot understand a non '/' delimiter | 18:45 |
| kerio | why should we upgrade bluez? | 18:45 |
| kerio | ~botsmack | 18:45 |
| infobot | OWW! | 18:45 |
| merlin1991 | car kit support got way better along the versions | 18:45 |
| kerio | i see | 18:46 |
| luf | It's not only about car kit support ;) | 18:47 |
| merlin1991 | luf: but that's the first thing our end users will notice ;) | 18:47 |
| luf | But sure I had to create some backports for bluez 4.60 into the new obexd. | 18:47 |
| luf | There are a lot of fixes (and also new features like transfer audio from PC to N900). | 18:48 |
| merlin1991 | btw luf any progess on MAP support? | 18:50 |
| luf | Yes but not enough yet. | 18:50 |
| luf | I'm near to compile the initial N900 support. | 18:50 |
| * merlin1991 wonders if his car kit now properly works with the *new* obexd | 18:51 | |
| merlin1991 | I didn't get to test it yet :D | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | carkit?? forget it | 18:51 |
| merlin1991 | hm? | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | carkit is a insane moto invention for USB | 18:52 |
| luf | merlin1991: oh :) | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | morning btw | 18:52 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer51: also a valid name for bluetooth phone support in car radios | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'd think that has to be named CKP or sth with *P then | 18:53 |
| merlin1991 | btw freemangordon when do you think I should try to extract some stats about the -thumb repo ? | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | well, PAN also doesn't end on 'P' | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and DUN neither | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | strange | 18:55 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 coughs and spits out three 'DICOM', a 'PACS' and two slimy 'HL7' | 18:56 | |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer51: there's also HID, OBEX, SIM, SCO, SYNC, SYNCH and WAPB | 18:57 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer told status: [ ] TOLD [ ] NOT TOLD [X] BLUETOLD 2.0+EDR | 19:12 |
| luf | kerio: what is it? :D | 19:13 |
| kerio | joerg got told | 19:15 |
| kerio | freemangordon: is gstdsp better than openmax, performance-wise? | 19:16 |
| kerio | (if i don't overclock the DSP) | 19:16 |
| luf | merrlin1991: MAP support compiled (first time) :) | 19:18 |
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| fw190 | freemangordon: just to inform you - Ubuntu developeras are all alone now. I don't like this s*it and I'm giving it a kick in the ... | 19:51 |
| fw190 | freemangordon: damn I'm mad. This is supposed to be LTS. end of troling. Tie to prepare operation openSuse | 19:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | fw190: better avoid the opensuseNN.0 releases | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or adopt then only after several months | 19:55 |
| fw190 | I have downloaded 12.2 | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds OK | 19:55 |
| fw190 | the dvd version | 19:56 |
| fw190 | I will install it as is | 19:56 |
| fw190 | and run on it firefox writer gimp and chromium | 19:56 |
| fw190 | nothing more | 19:56 |
| kerio | fw190: install debian | 19:56 |
| fw190 | hope it will be rock solid | 19:56 |
| fw190 | I do not know how to set debian up | 19:56 |
| kerio | it's easy | 19:57 |
| kerio | there's an installer | 19:57 |
| fw190 | I'mean as an edn user it all should wokr out of the box | 19:57 |
| kerio | you just need to know unix stuff | 19:57 |
| fw190 | nope | 19:57 |
| fw190 | I use it because I'm a beliver ;p | 19:57 |
| fw190 | N900 changed me | 19:57 |
| kerio | really, i installed it on my laptop and almost everything worked out of the box | 19:57 |
| fw190 | but no time for lerning | 19:57 |
| kerio | and this is a macbook pro | 19:57 |
| kerio | with weird, proprietary hardware | 19:57 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: get me 3d accel for a nvidia gtx 560 in debian stable and I'll happily switch over ; | 19:58 |
| merlin1991 | s/;/;)/ | 19:58 |
| fw190 | kerio: does it have some sort of update proces like ubuntu? | 19:58 |
| fw190 | merlin1991: what is your distro? | 19:58 |
| fw190 | ;) | 19:58 |
| merlin1991 | kubuntu :/ | 19:58 |
| kerio | merlin1991: huh... apt-get install nvidia-glx | 19:59 |
| merlin1991 | fw190: debian has the same package management below the surface as the n900 or ubuntu | 19:59 |
| fw190 | so it's like suse but from bunthuk team | 19:59 |
| fw190 | I know | 19:59 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: driver is too old, hw too new :/ | 19:59 |
| fw190 | 3 years and Ilearne a few commands | 19:59 |
| fw190 | and this suse thing scares me a bit | 19:59 |
| kerio | use the nvidia-installer then \_o_/ | 19:59 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: lol | 19:59 |
| kerio | and you can specify the version, i thought | 19:59 |
| merlin1991 | that one killed my kernel often enough | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fw190: it *scares* you??? | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how's that? | 20:00 |
| fw190 | well new commands nto like apt dpkg and so on ;) | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | too many dialogs during install? | 20:00 |
| kerio | fw190: by that, merlin1991 means that ubuntu and maemo stole debian's package management system | 20:00 |
| kerio | because it's the best | 20:00 |
| merlin1991 | yep debian was first :D | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fw190: fsck the commands, you got Yast in menu, under "system" | 20:01 |
| fw190 | DocScrutinizer: could you elaborte about those version | 20:01 |
| fw190 | update | 20:01 |
| fw190 | is there something I should know about it | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? | 20:01 |
| fw190 | well I'm suposed to avoid 0 | 20:01 |
| fw190 | so when I install 12.2 I'm supposed to not allow updating to hings with 0? | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, just I found the .0 releases not as conventient and bugfree as the .>0 | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, you can update any time | 20:02 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: do you know of a sw that crosschecks the debian security releases with the package on your system? | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though *I* actually slip the .0 updates | 20:03 |
| fw190 | Ah ok | 20:03 |
| merlin1991 | since I run so much stuff on my server I'm starting to worry about updates :D | 20:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | my last install seen no real upgrade for >3 years | 20:03 |
| fw190 | DocScrutinizer: I've decided to switch - it's time to backup 200gb damn - 3h oc copying... | 20:04 |
| fw190 | of | 20:04 |
| kerio | merlin1991: well... | 20:05 |
| kerio | apt? | 20:05 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 20:05 |
| kerio | i think aptitude can filter by repository | 20:06 |
| merlin1991 | nah I meant something that sends me emails in case there is new stuff, didn't want to go and set up sendmail + cronscripts for that | 20:06 |
| kerio | i see | 20:06 |
| kerio | well, there's the debian-security mailing list :P | 20:06 |
| kerio | this reminds me | 20:07 |
| kerio | i should upgrade my server | 20:07 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 just though exactly same | 20:07 | |
| * merlin1991 currently is about todo that | 20:07 | |
| * merlin1991 also found out, that there are mysql* pacakge on the server even though everything is run on postgres | 20:07 | |
| merlin1991 | dafuq? | 20:07 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: what stats? for users? | 20:08 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: yep | 20:08 |
| freemangordon | well, there is a new update today, maybe it is good time now :) | 20:08 |
| merlin1991 | you'll push another one today? | 20:09 |
| freemangordon | yes | 20:09 |
| freemangordon | naah | 20:09 |
| freemangordon | i've already pushed it | 20:09 |
| freemangordon | :D | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yum check-update | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq! useradd lpapp | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | history can be scary | 20:10 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: ah I see | 20:10 |
| freemangordon | kerio: http://code.google.com/p/gst-dsp/ | 20:10 |
| merlin1991 | I guess I could build stats about 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo5.1+thumb1, but 2 days probably don't have everyone updated | 20:10 |
| merlin1991 | I'll be back in a minute, the quassel-core version in debian does not understand it if you kill the postgres server underneath it :P | 20:11 |
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| merlin1991 | there we go :D | 20:13 |
| freemangordon | fw190: i'll install ubuntu on a laptop in a few minutes (when the DVD is burnt) :P | 20:13 |
| fw190 | freemangordon: grrrr don't even dare to make me mad | 20:14 |
| fw190 | today this shit didn't allow me to enter the dust bin | 20:14 |
| fw190 | pidgin after minimalization disapeared | 20:14 |
| fw190 | don't waste your precious cd | 20:15 |
| fw190 | burn some music on it | 20:15 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: yes, you'd better start with today's update, I don;t think more than a 4-5 people updated since it was oout | 20:15 |
| merlin1991 | I'll build the stats anyway, so we can se how fast your users move ,) | 20:15 |
| freemangordon | fw190: unity desktop? | 20:16 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: ok | 20:16 |
| fw190 | freemangordon: yep | 20:16 |
| freemangordon | fw190: remove that shit and install gnome classic or lxde | 20:16 |
| merlin1991 | hm funky, almost not traffic on my ipv6 addresss | 20:16 |
| fw190 | I'm going for openSuse ;) | 20:16 |
| freemangordon | ok | 20:17 |
| fw190 | canonical has decided to dump gnome so why I should stick with it and fork this ubuntu buntukh | 20:17 |
| fw190 | besides - when something goes wrong with suse it will all be Docs fault ;) ;) | 20:17 |
| freemangordon | fw190: BTW I am installing ubuntu on an ex-windows' user laptop, not much of a choice | 20:17 |
| fw190 | well my mother in law has it installed also | 20:18 |
| fw190 | ;) | 20:18 |
| kerio | what did canonical do, now? | 20:20 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: so far 70 dl for thumb2 | 20:22 |
| kerio | :D | 20:22 |
| kerio | which downloads? | 20:23 |
| kerio | the mp .deb? | 20:23 |
| merlin1991 | and we had 227 dl for thumb1 | 20:23 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: yes | 20:23 |
| * kerio does while true ; do wget mp-fremantle-community-pr.deb ; done | 20:23 | |
| freemangordon | hmm, not bad, I was expecting something like 20-30 :D:D:D | 20:23 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: I'm sure you know this, is there a commandline tool to reduce a set of lines to unique lines? (preferable stdin to stdout) | 20:24 |
| kerio | merlin1991: uniq | 20:24 |
| freemangordon | yes | 20:24 |
| kerio | well, sort | uniq | 20:24 |
| kerio | uniq merges consecutive equal lines | 20:24 |
| * merlin1991 reads up on awk docs again | 20:24 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what do you wanna do? | 20:24 |
| merlin1991 | because ofc I need to filter the timestamp otherwise I'll not be uniqe | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | remove \n? | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cut | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | man cut | 20:25 |
| merlin1991 | currently reading :) | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably something like cut -d " " -f 1- | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or sed 's/^[0-9:]* //' | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or sed 's/^[-0-9:]* //' | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even simpler: | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sed 's/^[^ ]* //' | 20:28 |
| merlin1991 | grep mp-fremantle-community-pr /var/log/lighttpd/access.log | grep thumb2 | cut -d " " -f 1 | sort | uniq | wc -l | 20:28 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm | 20:28 |
| kerio | there's been plenty of +thumb2 releases | 20:29 |
| kerio | i think | 20:29 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: the mp had +thumb2 only once | 20:29 |
| kerio | are you sure? :o | 20:29 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: that reduced the uniqe (per ip) dls for thumb1 to 221 | 20:29 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: yes because before that we had -thumb2 ;) | 20:30 |
| kerio | ...ohoho | 20:30 |
| kerio | right | 20:30 |
| merlin1991 | also access logs start only after +thumb1 | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why not grep mp-fremantle-community-pr.*thumb2 /var/log/lighttpd/access.log | 20:30 |
| merlin1991 | because that's too easy ;) | 20:30 |
| kerio | add some | cat | in there | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or |dd| | 20:31 |
| merlin1991 | okay okay grep mp-fremantle-community-pr.*thumb1 /var/log/lighttpd/access.log | cut -d " " -f 1 | sort | uniq | wc -l it is | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | uniq - report or omit repeated lines: -f, --skip-fields=N | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -s, --skip-chars=N | 20:33 |
| merlin1991 | skips first x files/chars | 20:33 |
| kerio | hm | 20:33 |
| merlin1991 | but I actually need to skip after first field | 20:33 |
| kerio | surprisingly, it's also in busybox uniq | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIELDS! not files | 20:34 |
| merlin1991 | yeah | 20:34 |
| merlin1991 | still doesn't help me ;) | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed, since you forgot to do same for sort ;-P | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sort - sort lines of text files: -k, --key=POS1[,POS2] | 20:36 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: won't work either | 20:36 |
| merlin1991 | because ipv6 vs ipv4 addressses and stuff like 25.25.25.25 vs 128.128.128.128 | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -u, --unique | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with -c, check for strict ordering; without -c, output only the first of an equal run | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-D | 20:37 |
| merlin1991 | nice, so we can scrap the call to uniq | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah, you actually want f1 *only* | 20:38 |
| merlin1991 | yep | 20:38 |
| merlin1991 | because it's ip, host, timestamp, request | 20:38 |
| merlin1991 | s/host/domain/ | 20:39 |
| infobot | merlin1991 meant: because it's ip, domain, timestamp, request | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah, yeah | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | watsup with da meeting this week now? | 20:43 |
| fw190 | someone was pointing me to debian. I want to download jus to be safe an image but don't know which http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/i386/iso-cd/ | 20:44 |
| merlin1991 | hehe extras-devel light has 9 unique ips that use it xD | 20:45 |
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| kerio | :D | 20:46 |
| kerio | how many of those are from italy? | 20:46 |
| kerio | i bet it's like three | 20:46 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: do you know a good ip -> region tool / website? | 20:47 |
| kerio | http://www.geoiptool.com/ is the first google result | 20:48 |
| merlin1991 | well I'd rather use a commandline tool :D | 20:48 |
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| fw190 | kerio: it was you haha backscrol is good. So which debian image should I pick up- the one i386 with the highest number? | 20:52 |
| kerio | srsly though, it should be like three or four IPs from italy | 20:52 |
| kerio | fw190: debian image? :o | 20:52 |
| kerio | are you installing it on a computer? | 20:52 |
| kerio | does this computer have an internet connection through ethernet? | 20:52 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: 1 time bulgaria, and 4 austria 4 italy :p | 20:53 |
| kerio | :D | 20:53 |
| fw190 | kerio: well as a backup if suse is a fail i will have an usb stick with the debian image | 20:53 |
| kerio | fw190: suse will be a fail | 20:53 |
| fw190 | kerio: right now I have to backup 200GB | 20:53 |
| kerio | it's got some serious problems | 20:53 |
| kerio | 1) it's not debian | 20:53 |
| kerio | 2) desktop distros are bullshit | 20:53 |
| kerio | 3) no apt | 20:54 |
| fw190 | kerio: I think that you ant to make Doc angry ahahahha | 20:54 |
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| kerio | who, me? | 20:54 |
| kerio | never :3 | 20:54 |
| kerio | merlin1991: hmm, reverse dns on the ips? | 20:54 |
| merlin1991 | too much information ;) | 20:55 |
| kerio | at least a couple should be *.clienti.tiscali.it | 20:55 |
| fw190 | kerio: so which one from this: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/i386/iso-cd/ | 20:55 |
| kerio | fw190: do you have internet on the computer you're installing to? | 20:55 |
| fw190 | yes | 20:55 |
| merlin1991 | then http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-i386-netinst.iso | 20:55 |
| kerio | is this to be used as a desktop? | 20:55 |
| kerio | merlin1991: debian 6 is stable D: | 20:55 |
| kerio | fw190: if it's a desktop, then you *really* want debian testing | 20:56 |
| fw190 | kerio: the thing is that I will wipe up the whole laptop with suse so debian will come into action when suse is a fail | 20:56 |
| merlin1991 | well the question was which one from "this" so I went for the netinst image in his list :D | 20:56 |
| fw190 | kerio: it's thinkpadedge | 20:56 |
| fw190 | lenovo | 20:56 |
| kerio | well, i meant | 20:56 |
| kerio | it's to be used as a user | 20:56 |
| kerio | laptops are even more advised to use testing | 20:57 |
| fw190 | kerio: yes - must be rock solid without bell and whistles | 20:57 |
| kerio | define "rock solid"... | 20:57 |
| fw190 | kerio: no problem like with buntukh today that I can not acces dust bin, and closing pidgin doesn't close it | 20:57 |
| kerio | hm | 20:58 |
| fw190 | and writer after minmalizing deisapears | 20:58 |
| fw190 | but is active | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: testing doesn't sound like rock solid | 20:58 |
| kerio | i'd still install debian testing over debian stable, for a non-server | 20:58 |
| fw190 | kerio: I'm a writer, don't tweak the system, it just should work with basic programs | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fw190: btw opensuse installer even lets you install multiboot | 20:59 |
| fw190 | DocScrutinizer: I've heard that I can't have debian and suse alongside because of rpm deb conflict but this may be bullshit | 21:00 |
| kerio | wat? | 21:00 |
| kerio | no, that's just a difference in packaging | 21:01 |
| kerio | dual boot doesn't work that way | 21:01 |
| kerio | :) | 21:01 |
| kerio | fw190: install debian stable, i suppose | 21:01 |
| fw190 | will give it a shot if suse fails completeltly | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fw190: of yourse you can, on separate partitions | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of course* | 21:03 |
| fw190 | my disk has 500GB but 230 is for data. hmmm maybe I would make a partition with 100GB and install debian alongside but will I have acces to all files from both systems? | 21:03 |
| kerio | merlin1991: i actually prefer businesscard over netinst | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | check "partitioning" tab in suse installer | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 21:04 |
| kerio | it only has enough to download the rest of the installer :D | 21:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | fw190: I now have 3 distinct systems on my laptop, each mounts the partitions of the other 2 under some /systemA/ and /systemC/ dirs (systemB in this case) | 21:05 |
| fw190 | thanks for the tip | 21:06 |
| fw190 | chatting here gives a lot of new informations | 21:06 |
| fw190 | but I suppose that this si not the right place for this as this is maemo-ssu ;) | 21:06 |
| merlin1991 | hm /me wondedrs | 21:07 |
| merlin1991 | ~ot | 21:07 |
| infobot | well, ot is for Off-Topic WebOS general chat, and it can take place in #webos-general | 21:07 |
| merlin1991 | wut? | 21:07 |
| merlin1991 | ~maemo-ssu | 21:07 |
| merlin1991 | heh | 21:07 |
| merlin1991 | see we have no policy about off topic stuff | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo-ssu ot is we're not #webos, so our policy is different ;-). See ~_default ot | 21:10 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ot | 21:10 |
| infobot | from memory, ot is for Off-Topic WebOS general chat, and it can take place in #webos-general | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~chanopt | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~+chanopt | 21:11 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: so, what is the final count? | 21:12 |
| merlin1991 | 221 for thumb1 and 70 for thumb2 | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~chanset | 21:12 |
| freemangordon | the fuck, too many :) | 21:12 |
| * merlin1991 manually updates software on the server which didn't come packaged | 21:13 | |
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| merlin1991 | freemangordon: 79 by now ;) | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~+chanset #maemo-ssu factoidSearch $chan _default | 21:14 |
| infobot | Setting factoidSearch for #maemo-ssu to '$chan _default'. | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ot | 21:14 |
| infobot | rumour has it, ot is we're not #webos, so our policy is different ;-). See ~_default ot | 21:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys #maemo-ssu | 21:16 |
| infobot | Factoid search of '#maemo-ssu' by key (1): #maemo-ssu ot. | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys #maemo | 21:16 |
| infobot | Factoid search of '#maemo' by key (7): #maemo multiboot ;; #maemo multinoot #DEL# ;; chan #maemo #DEL# ;; #maemo #DEL# ;; #maemo-ssu ot ;; #maemo omp ;; #maemo power. | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo power | 21:17 |
| infobot | methinks #maemo power is http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo omp | 21:17 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, #maemo omp is Open Media Player | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | server reboot, yay | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I just hope it will come up again ;-P | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly does a friggin fsck now | 21:23 |
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| kerio | ~omp | 21:25 |
| kerio | hrmpf | 21:25 |
| kerio | ~listkeys omp | 21:25 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'omp' by key (13 of 266): #maemo omp ;; can not comply: you ;; compact networking utilities ;; compaq ;; compiling ;; compiling on a 386 ;; complaint dept. ;; computer ;; computer engineering program at usu ;; cross compile docs ;; evolution compose-probs ;; gcompte ;; i don't compatibilty. | 21:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~+chanset #maemo-ssu factoidSearch $chan #maemo _default | 21:26 |
| infobot | Setting factoidSearch for #maemo-ssu to '$chan #maemo _default'; was '$chan _default'. | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ot | 21:27 |
| infobot | ot is probably we're not #webos, so our policy is different ;-). See ~_default ot | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~omp | 21:27 |
| infobot | rumour has it, omp is Open Media Player | 21:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: happy now? | 21:28 |
| kerio | yep :3 | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo can not comply: you | 21:29 |
| infobot | can not comply: you -- created by pimpinmonk <diego@1Cust246.tnt22.bos2.da.uu.net> at Fri Jul 6 02:11:11 2001 (4099 days); it has been requested 2 times, last by pcj at Fri Nov 21 10:46:58 2008. | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal can not comply: you | 21:29 |
| infobot | "can not comply: you" is "<REPLY> are just too dumb" | 21:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~can not comply: you | 21:30 |
| infobot | can not comply: you are just too dumb | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~computer engineering program at usu | 21:32 |
| infobot | i guess computer engineering program at usu is pretty electrical engineering intensive. | 21:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~i don't compatibilty | 21:32 |
| infobot | You don't compatibilty? | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~i don't compatibilty. | 21:32 |
| infobot | You don't compatibilty.? | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal i don't compatibilty | 21:33 |
| infobot | You don't compatibilty? | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq | 21:33 |
| merlin1991 | ~lart n9 browser | 21:34 |
| * infobot whacks n9 browser with a giant beaver's tail | 21:34 | |
| deepy | ~wut | 21:34 |
| infobot | it has been said that wut is a lamer way of saying what | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo i don't compatibilty | 21:34 |
| infobot | i don't compatibilty -- it has been requested 2 times, last by pcj at Fri Nov 21 10:46:58 2008. | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo i don't | 21:34 |
| infobot | there's no such factoid as i don't, DocScrutinizer05 | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~i don't | 21:35 |
| infobot | You don't? | 21:35 |
| merlin1991 | ~i don't even | 21:35 |
| infobot | You don't even? | 21:35 |
| kerio | ~i lol | 21:35 |
| infobot | You lol? | 21:35 |
| kerio | ~i do | 21:35 |
| infobot | You do? | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys i don't | 21:35 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'i don't' by key (9 of 48): 'sokay, i don't have an arm tool that works, which ;; also, i don't think there ;; first of all i don't know what this jtag ;; hmm... i don't know ;; however, i don't say that this ;; i don't compatibilty ;; i don't deny that that ;; i don't know ;; i don't know exactly what it. | 21:35 |
| kerio | ~i | 21:35 |
| infobot | well, kerio is <DocScrutinizer> [...] kerio is correct [...] | 21:35 |
| kerio | :D | 21:35 |
| kerio | ~i love you | 21:36 |
| infobot | You love you? | 21:36 |
| kerio | ...yes | 21:36 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: infobot feature request: ELIZA parser | 21:36 |
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| merlin1991 | ~i | 21:36 |
| infobot | you are probably the secret master of CSSU | 21:36 |
| merlin1991 | ~merlin1991 | 21:36 |
| infobot | somebody said merlin1991 was the secret master of CSSU | 21:36 |
| merlin1991 | wtf | 21:36 |
| merlin1991 | ~factinfo merlin1991 | 21:37 |
| infobot | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) | 21:37 |
| infobot | merlin1991 -- created by DocScrutinizer <~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Tue Jul 3 23:04:19 2012 (83 days); it has been requested 5 times, last by merlin1991, 10s ago. | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo sokay, i don't have an arm tool that works, which | 21:37 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: there's no such factoid as sokay, i don't have an arm tool that works, which | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~'factinfo sokay, i don't have an arm tool that works, which | 21:37 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: did you notice the error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required), wtf was that about? | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a lil bug | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: try ~lock merlin1991 | 21:42 |
| merlin1991 | ~lock merlin1991 | 21:42 |
| merlin1991 | pm with not allowed | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~uptime | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | still alive | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo merlin1991 | 21:43 |
| infobot | merlin1991 -- created by DocScrutinizer <~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Tue Jul 3 23:04:19 2012 (83 days); it has been requested 5 times, last by merlin1991, 6m 28s ago. | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: o.O??? -> | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-09-25 20:47:12] <FIQ> ~FIQ is FIQ | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-09-25 20:47:12] <infobot> FIQ: okay | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-09-25 20:47:22] <FIQ> ~lock FIQ | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-09-25 20:47:22] <infobot> locking factoid fiq, FIQ | 21:48 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: possibly because you set the factoid? | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so forget and set new! | 21:50 |
| merlin1991 | why would I want to lock it though? :D | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, it's supposed to work this way | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so others can't mess with your nick factoid | 21:51 |
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| fw190 | DocScrutinizer05: one more question - should I pick KDE or Gnome? What do you use? | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I use KDE, but hate it since kde4 | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I hate gnome since 5h after first time started it | 21:54 |
| fw190 | this is funn to read | 21:54 |
| fw190 | so there is no good choice | 21:54 |
| fw190 | maybe lxde? | 21:54 |
| merlin1991 | fw190: with lxde I always had the feeling, that I'm missing all the posibilities of proper desktop integration | 21:55 |
| luf | fw190: it depends what you want/prefer. | 21:55 |
| fw190 | well I think that KDE from live cd looked good | 21:56 |
| fw190 | speed is for me important so probably lxde would be the winner | 21:56 |
| fw190 | but stability is the key | 21:57 |
| fw190 | after buntukh | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | KDE isn't exactly bad, wsp when you don't use silly dolphin or what's the name filemanager | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | use konqueror instead! | 21:57 |
| merlin1991 | actually dolphin works for me | 21:57 |
| luf | fw190: The best way is to test it and choose what you want ;) | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I heard it's a "save as" widget that lost its main() | 21:58 |
| luf | other way it'll be the begin of another flame :D | 21:58 |
| fw190 | flames are good the clear the earth for a new start ;p | 21:58 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: what are you missing in dolphin that konqueror has? | 21:58 |
| fw190 | but i think that I will try this KDE thingy | 21:59 |
| luf | Ugh ... it begins :D | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: forgot | 21:59 |
| merlin1991 | luf: I'm not here to flame, just interested what I migth miss (since buntkuh comes with dolphin and I never tried konqueror) | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probaqbly all the embedded viewers | 22:00 |
| luf | merlin1991: It's just like it usually begins. Some innocent question :D | 22:00 |
| fw190 | hmm otoh I know LXDE from easy debian - look sok and it's fast | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and other cute stuff | 22:00 |
| fw190 | this dolphin and konqueror thing- probably I wont even feel the diference while opening my writer file | 22:01 |
| merlin1991 | hehe | 22:01 |
| merlin1991 | I really hate the dolphin per folder settings philosophy though | 22:01 |
| merlin1991 | it drops a friggin .dolphin file when you change a view setting inside a folder away from the default | 22:02 |
| merlin1991 | almost as bad as thumbs.db and desktop.ini which you get everywhere on windows | 22:02 |
| luf | BTW I like gnome ;) | 22:02 |
| merlin1991 | and it totally nukes the idea of multi user desktop | 22:03 |
| fw190 | luf: KDE is something NEW for me like Unity so this should be a leson for me | 22:03 |
| fw190 | luf: bessides since today only Unity developers like Unity - yesterday there were them and me | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: LOL, good point | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (btw konqueror *can* do that too) | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though I think it's called .desktop there | 22:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and only drops when you tell it to do so | 22:07 |
| _ade_ | freemangordon: ping | 22:09 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: you didn't push your thumb1 (I expect that is the dbg symbols fix) changes to gitorious | 22:18 |
| merlin1991 | I mean regarding openssl | 22:18 |
| kerio | merlin1991: afaik no | 22:19 |
| kerio | hmm... it is thumb1 though | 22:20 |
| kerio | maybe he already did? | 22:20 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: you might want to reread my sentence :) | 22:21 |
| kerio | i meant that i don't know if he actually made them | 22:21 |
| merlin1991 | he did, at least he uploaded a thumb1 pacakge to the apt repo, but gitorious only contains changes up to tumb0 | 22:28 |
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| kerio | freemangordon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCadcBR95oU | 22:36 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: :P | 22:41 |
| tadzik | . o O ( thumb2 style ) | 22:41 |
| kerio | oppan thumb2 style | 22:44 |
| tadzik | :D | 22:45 |
| tadzik | e-e-e-e | 22:45 |
| tadzik | that reminds me of the update | 22:45 |
| tadzik | haha | 22:46 |
| Raimu | thumb-one style sounds more like the original. | 22:47 |
| kerio | yeah but the ISA is called Thumb2 | 22:48 |
| luf | shit obexd-0.46 contains code which lead to segfault :( | 22:48 |
| merlin1991 | uh oh | 22:48 |
| luf | They even never tested it :( | 22:48 |
| kerio | Installed: 0.46-1maemo3+0cssu2 | 22:49 |
| kerio | SOOOOOOOOO | 22:49 |
| tadzik | *scnr* http://imgur.com/doGXw | 22:49 |
| luf | Ugh I lost my time because I looking for the problem and I didn't believe it's in .obexd code. | 22:49 |
| merlin1991 | so that's something that could potentially break on any device? | 22:49 |
| merlin1991 | bad news! | 22:50 |
| luf | kerio: the failed code is disabled by default. And it's even unreachable because no implementation of fucntions to retrieve data for MAP ;) | 22:50 |
| kerio | oh | 22:50 |
| kerio | phew | 22:50 |
| kerio | so what's the problem? | 22:50 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: simple, we do want map and luf implements those functions ;) | 22:51 |
| luf | merlin1991: no. Just my problem during devel MAP support. | 22:51 |
| luf | And my lost time because of false predicate ;) | 22:51 |
| kerio | what's MAP again? | 22:52 |
| luf | Message Access Profile ;) | 22:53 |
| tadzik | I thought of Meta-Abject Protocol :P | 23:01 |
| tadzik | I'm on new thumb2 now, seems to work alright | 23:02 |
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| luf | Whooops fixed :) Just swap two lines (in several functions) :D | 23:30 |
| merlin1991 | lemme guess function calls with side effects? | 23:30 |
| tadzik | strictly speaking, that won't be a function anymore :P | 23:31 |
| luf | No. Just: pointer2 = pointer1 + length; set_size(pointer1); where pointer1 should be NULL prior to set_size ;) | 23:33 |
| luf | :) Ok I can list messages in MAP :) | 23:35 |
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| merlin1991 | err what does set_size(pointer1) do there? | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: what's with this fuzzy mmeting appointment now? | 23:42 |
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| merlin1991 | we'll see if we have everony around tomorrow, or on thursday | 23:42 |
| luf | something like realloc I guess. | 23:42 |
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| luf | I'm leaving today. BTW there is still some problem as I can't list messages 2 times (it crash obexd) :D So development continuing. | 23:45 |
| merlin1991 | have a good night :) | 23:47 |
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