| kerio | deepy: can you test if booting without bootmenu works? | 00:00 |
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| freemangordon | kerio: I don;t wan't to feel safe | 00:00 |
| luf | freemangordon: have you red this? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1268077#post1268077 | 00:00 |
| freemangordon | kerio: especially when I expect users without BM to install the same stuff I am installing (cssu-thumb) | 00:00 |
| deepy | it's loading the boot menu even with te keyboard closed | 00:01 |
| kerio | deepy: ...ok, that's definetely new | 00:01 |
| kerio | and it's not exactly good | 00:01 |
| kerio | close the slider and try to look inside - is the keyboard backlight on? | 00:01 |
| deepy | yes | 00:02 |
| kerio | well, sir, you might have a hardware problem | 00:02 |
| freemangordon | bad, bad, bad :( | 00:02 |
| deepy | and the settings have reset | 00:02 |
| freemangordon | luf: is that related to HF problems? | 00:02 |
| kerio | deepy: which settings? | 00:03 |
| luf | freemangordon: Yes. I installed bluez-4.99 and it works :D | 00:03 |
| deepy | asked me for date | 00:03 |
| freemangordon | did I understand correctly - you've upgraded BT stack? | 00:03 |
| deepy | but it remembered Ireland | 00:03 |
| freemangordon | luf: hehe | 00:03 |
| luf | freemangordon: yes you do :D | 00:03 |
| kerio | deepy: hm | 00:03 |
| kerio | deepy: have you removed the battery? | 00:03 |
| freemangordon | luf: upstream version? | 00:03 |
| deepy | Nope | 00:03 |
| kerio | ok, there's definetely something weird about your n900 | 00:04 |
| luf | freemangordon: last time I had problem with wrong BT name (get it from device driver) and this time it's ok. Huh thumb problem? Maybe. Shit! | 00:04 |
| freemangordon | thumb? | 00:04 |
| freemangordon | why is that? | 00:04 |
| luf | freemangordon: Not the newest time but maemo has 4.60 and I'm using 4.99 now. | 00:04 |
| freemangordon | luf: but why thumb? | 00:05 |
| luf | freemangordon: Do you remember that thumb is enabled by default in nokia's scratchbox ... | 00:05 |
| deepy | backlight turned off now | 00:05 |
| freemangordon | luf: aaah | 00:05 |
| luf | And I disabled it now recompile and it works like a charm ... | 00:05 |
| freemangordon | yes, I remember, as I was the one to discover it :P | 00:05 |
| luf | freemangordon: I think so ;) | 00:05 |
| freemangordon | yeaah | 00:05 |
| luf | freemangordon: BT name was the only problem I had with 4.99 ... | 00:06 |
| freemangordon | luf: do you know if stock is patched by nokia? | 00:06 |
| luf | freemangordon: So I'll stay at 4.99 now. I went throught it few month back. But I don't think so ... | 00:07 |
| deepy | that might've been the screen dimming | 00:07 |
| freemangordon | luf: may I have sources and/or .deb? | 00:07 |
| deepy | but no, the backlight does nto turn off :P | 00:07 |
| freemangordon | deepy: do you have RD mode enabled? | 00:07 |
| deepy | possibly by accident, I am not sure what it is | 00:08 |
| luf | freemangordon: sure it's in that thread: http://merlin1991.at/~luf/bluez/ | 00:08 |
| freemangordon | i'll recompile it with thumb and will install it on my primary device. HF is connected all day long adn I ocasionally use BT to transfer pictures. | 00:09 |
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| freemangordon | Woody14619: hi! | 00:09 |
| Woody14619 | hi? :) | 00:09 |
| freemangordon | luf: any changelog in humar readible form? | 00:10 |
| freemangordon | *human | 00:10 |
| luf | It's in the deb :) But it's huge :D | 00:10 |
| luf | I took maemo changelog as the base ... | 00:10 |
| luf | As I said it was several month ago :) | 00:11 |
| deepy | I do not have RD mode from what I can tell, I need to longpress to start the phone. But I did install rootfs to get sudo gainroot | 00:11 |
| freemangordon | aah, and you gave up because of the bug, which now turns out is not a bug. I see | 00:11 |
| luf | freemangordon: basicaly it's the same changelog as bluez upstream for 4.99 | 00:11 |
| freemangordon | ok | 00:11 |
| freemangordon | but I see that as a pissible candidate for CSSU | 00:12 |
| freemangordon | *possible | 00:12 |
| * freemangordon has another typo day | 00:12 | |
| luf | freemangordon: max to -testing ... you know the guy :D | 00:12 |
| freemangordon | luf: naah, if it is OK, there is no reason to stay in -testing | 00:14 |
| freemangordon | you'll see what will happen with curl ;) | 00:15 |
| luf | freemangordon: totaly crashed dev devices? :D | 00:15 |
| freemangordon | hehe | 00:15 |
| freemangordon | luf: curl seems rock stable, I think it will make it in the next -stable | 00:16 |
| freemangordon | it depends on when chem|st will decide to make a new update | 00:16 |
| freemangordon | if the quarantine period had passed, then most probably it will be there | 00:16 |
| luf | freemangordon: we'll see. | 00:17 |
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| freemangordon | yes, we'll see. But this is how things work, no matter arguing and whatnot | 00:17 |
| luf | freemangordon: pinochio has question why it works with obexd_0.18. It's too hard to say. I need reproducible case ... This is terrible even communication through TMO. | 00:18 |
| freemangordon | luf: seems windoze BT stack caches some bits | 00:18 |
| freemangordon | in such a way that even re-pairing does not help | 00:19 |
| freemangordon | and pinochio said that deleting and re-adding the device works, at least that is waht I understood from his last post | 00:20 |
| freemangordon | luf: did he try to revert once it stopped to work? | 00:21 |
| luf | freemangordon: we also need some native germany speaker as somtimes it's to hard to understand his english. | 00:28 |
| luf | freemangordon: I don't know (or understand) if he revert. | 00:29 |
| luf | *it's too hard to | 00:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | "pissible" is my invention! ;-) | 00:37 |
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| freemangordon | someone should edit that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo | 00:40 |
| freemangordon | and add the missing CSSU bits ;) | 00:40 |
| freemangordon | maybe maemo council? | 00:40 |
| freemangordon | Woody14619: ^^^ ? | 00:40 |
| Woody14619 | Missing CSSU bits? | 00:41 |
| freemangordon | not a word about CSSU | 00:41 |
| freemangordon | for Fremantle that is | 00:41 |
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| Woody14619 | Hmm... We should put that up there, for sure. | 00:43 |
| freemangordon | yes | 00:43 |
| Woody14619 | But frankly, I currently lack the time to do it. (And haven't updated enough on wikipedia to have the creds or technical know how to do so easily.) | 00:44 |
| Woody14619 | I can ask around for volunteers though, and at a minimum put it on the "to do" list. | 00:44 |
| freemangordon | hmm, who does MWKN? | 00:44 |
| Woody14619 | Jaffa does that. :) | 00:44 |
| freemangordon | well, he is a good writer, maybe he will volunteer if we ask him politely :) | 00:45 |
| Woody14619 | I was also hoping to promote CSSU on the Maemo Facebook Fan page, as we currently have posting access to that... | 00:45 |
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| freemangordon | hoping? | 00:45 |
| Woody14619 | Which is why we were asking for a installer package before... But then s*it hit the fan at Nokia and it fell off the priority list. | 00:46 |
| freemangordon | aah, I see | 00:46 |
| Woody14619 | We really should put that up though... | 00:47 |
| Woody14619 | Is there a .install file laying around for the existing CSSU-S installer package? Or is that only in testing still? | 00:48 |
| Woody14619 | (I think that was the issue last time, that the package was on in CSSU-T?) | 00:49 |
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| freemangordon | Woody14619: http://repository.maemo.org/community/community-fremantle.install ? | 00:50 |
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| Woody14619 | But does that install CSSU-T or CSSU-S? | 00:53 |
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| gregoa | Woody14619: that's for cssu-s, the one for cssu-t is http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/community-testing.install | 00:59 |
| Woody14619 | Awesome. :) Will work on a post for FB tonight then. ;) | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: installer package? just publish a dead stupid "this is maemo furure (introducing CSSU)" package to extras, that does just open http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dafq pretty pleas edo NOT cut corners to allow noobs to install cssu without reading http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we put some thought into this concept | 01:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | if you haven't anticipated yet, very first idea been to put cssu-enabler into extras(-*) as a normal insatll pkg. We opted to NOT do that, since we thought it's mandatory that users read http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: you hear me? | 01:09 |
| Woody14619 | Ah... I see. Will link to the main page then instead. I will probably not post it until tomorrow in any case... | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks (phoooooh) | 01:10 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 figures shitstorms of noobs bitching about "what's that???!1!!??!11!?" | 01:11 | |
| Woody14619 | I suspect that a chunk of those on the FB page already know about TMO, and thus about CSSU. But then it can't hurt to widen exposure. | 01:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | if you wanna do something really helpful, mention that cssu-s now is the semi-official update method for maemo | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as official as it gets (and btw the only one existing) | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so it's really recommended to *every* N900 user now | 01:12 |
| Woody14619 | Will do. :) | 01:12 |
| Woody14619 | Off to throw a heavy ball with holes in it at some wooden pins several yards away... :P Will do this when I come back, or maybe tomorrow. :) | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while I hit the sack | 01:14 |
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| chem|st | kerio: *shut the fsck up pong* | 09:39 |
| chem|st | kerio: wasn't reading the log... was there something important? | 09:40 |
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| freemangordon | luf: bluez 4.99 has NEON optimized sbc codec, but one should enable NEON support by hand (-mfpu=neon) | 11:46 |
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| luf | freemangordon: so you suggest to enable it. Ok. I'll try. Does it work for you well? | 12:25 |
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| freemangordon | unfortunately I am unable to build the package :( | 12:25 |
| luf | Why? What's the problem? | 12:25 |
| freemangordon | something with automake | 12:26 |
| luf | :( | 12:27 |
| freemangordon | if I do autoreconf it does not even do proper configure | 12:27 |
| freemangordon | and without that is fails on dh_install step, as some test executables are not built | 12:28 |
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| luf | strange. I'm able to build. | 12:28 |
| freemangordon | you have AM 2.63 | 12:29 |
| freemangordon | where did you get that from? | 12:29 |
| freemangordon | as here is 2.61 | 12:29 |
| luf | automake1.9 1.9.5-1osso3 | 12:30 |
| luf | autoconf 2.61-4maemo1+0m5 | 12:30 |
| freemangordon | ok, but your makefile is generated by 2.63 | 12:30 |
| freemangordon | can you do autoreconf --force -v --install? | 12:31 |
| freemangordon | to check if it still builds after that | 12:31 |
| luf | Why I may want to reconfigure? | 12:31 |
| freemangordon | different toolchain? | 12:31 |
| freemangordon | using makefiles generated for a diferent toolchain is not a good idea | 12:32 |
| freemangordon | hmm, after reconfiguring even in default SB target leads to unbuildable tree | 12:33 |
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| luf | Hmmm. I didn't reconfigure. | 12:34 |
| freemangordon | but that should work | 12:34 |
| luf | configure.ac:4: option `color-tests' not recognized | 12:35 |
| freemangordon | yes | 12:35 |
| freemangordon | but it is not important | 12:35 |
| freemangordon | http://www.gnu.org/software/automake/manual/html_node/List-of-Automake-options.html#List-of-Automake-options | 12:36 |
| freemangordon | luf: seems you take configure.ac from a newer AM. I don't think it will work :( | 12:38 |
| freemangordon | though you can take the stock configure.ac and try to tweak it for 4.99 | 12:39 |
| luf | I took package from debian ;) As usual | 12:39 |
| freemangordon | yeah, I see :) | 12:39 |
| freemangordon | but we are too "old" for that. Packaging part I mean | 12:40 |
| luf | Hmmm I did the same with curl and obex ... ugh. another new task :( | 12:41 |
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| freemangordon | luf: and this is what i get without autoreconf: | 12:45 |
| freemangordon | install: cannot stat `test/gaptest': No such file or directory | 12:45 |
| freemangordon | doing dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b | 12:45 |
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| luf | strange it should be build when you have --enable-test in debian/rules (DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS) | 13:03 |
| freemangordon | I know | 13:03 |
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| luf | freemangordon: do you have the place where to add -mfpu=neon ? | 13:44 |
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| luf | freemangordon: I get it but it can't compile with -mfpu=neon in CFLAGS | 13:55 |
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| freemangordon | luf: (I got "luf TeÄ tu zrovna nejsem" in private chat, whatever it means :D ) it compiles ok with gcc 4.7.2 | 14:54 |
| luf | freemangordon: It means that I'm not at computer (as you recognized) :D | 14:58 |
| kerio | chem|st: deepy had a bootloop after installing cssu-s, but it could've been a hw problem | 15:02 |
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| freemangordon | luf: hmm, maybe something with SB, i'll investigate it | 15:06 |
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| luf | freemangordon: what may I report you to help with finding the problem? | 15:46 |
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| freemangordon | luf: NFC, I'll try to fix it on my own by now | 15:47 |
| luf | freemangordon: ok. | 15:48 |
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| luf | I added it in debian/rules: CFLAGS := $(CFLAGS) -mfpu=neon | 15:49 |
| freemangordon | yeah, that is how it is supposed to be | 15:50 |
| kerio | i liek optimizations :D | 15:51 |
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| chem|st | kerio: my device bootlooped after installing backupmenu well it tried to boot maemo and or backupmenu for like 7 times then I removed the bat and tried again... worked... some devices hung up for some reason | 19:32 |
| kerio | hm | 19:32 |
| chem|st | "devices" in some hardware in my n900 devices | 19:32 |
| chem|st | so some hardware error during boot I'd guess | 19:33 |
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| kerio | freemangordon: needs moar optimization | 19:52 |
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| kerio | freemangordon: when compiling xorg with gcc 4.7, which options did you use? | 22:35 |
| kerio | freemangordon: btw, are you compiling with -Os? | 22:48 |
| freemangordon | kerio: the same as with 4.6.2 | 22:48 |
| freemangordon | no, -O2 | 22:48 |
| Skry | why not -Os? | 23:15 |
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| freemangordon | Skry: it enables -ffast-math by default iirc | 23:17 |
| freemangordon | and keep in mynd I am trying to find a balance between size and speed | 23:17 |
| freemangordon | -O3 and -Os usually result in 10%-15% larged binaries | 23:17 |
| Skry | hey, not arguing here :) Just thought that difference between -O2 and -Os is quite minimal performance wise. | 23:18 |
| freemangordon | I am not arguig too, just explaining why :) | 23:18 |
| Skry | shouldnt -Os produce smaller binaries than -O2? I've understood that -Os == -O2 + additional optimization for size. | 23:20 |
| freemangordon | no, s stands for speed | 23:20 |
| freemangordon | (iirc) | 23:20 |
| tadzik | I think you're thinking about -Ofast | 23:22 |
| tadzik | or this other new thing | 23:22 |
| Skry | from gcc docs: -Os enables all -O2 optimizations that do not typically increase code size. It also performs further optimizations designed to reduce code size. | 23:22 |
| tadzik | -Os is for binary size | 23:22 |
| freemangordon | hmm | 23:22 |
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| tadzik | in my experiments -Os usually gave ~80% of the code size that -02 did | 23:22 |
| tadzik | that was x86 though, or maybe amd64 | 23:22 |
| freemangordon | well, i use -mthunb for that :) | 23:22 |
| freemangordon | -mthumb | 23:22 |
| freemangordon | thumb has some performance penalty, I don't want to make it bigger | 23:23 |
| tadzik | any particular things that it's slower at? | 23:23 |
| tadzik | I consider giving it a try | 23:23 |
| freemangordon | well, it is some 2-5 % | 23:24 |
| freemangordon | (acording to a study spred over the inet) | 23:24 |
| freemangordon | *spread | 23:24 |
| tadzik | the update from cssu-testing is +-painless? | 23:24 |
| freemangordon | should be | 23:28 |
| freemangordon | (pdf warning) http://elinux.org/images/8/8a/Experiment_with_Linux_and_ARM_Thumb-2_ISA.pdf | 23:28 |
| freemangordon | here is some comparison | 23:29 |
| freemangordon | what is used is thumb2 | 23:29 |
| metelica | seems I have joined the right moment. I have a noob question regarding installation. | 23:29 |
| tadzik | ok, let's give it a try then :) | 23:29 |
| freemangordon | ~ask | 23:29 |
| freemangordon | ~ping | 23:30 |
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| freemangordon | come on boy | 23:30 |
| metelica | now I have kernel-power v50 and the latest CSSU stable | 23:30 |
| freemangordon | ~botsnack | 23:30 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: infobot is dead | 23:30 |
| metelica | should I just add -thumb repo and install -thumb then remove stable repo? | 23:31 |
| freemangordon | metelica: first of all you should upgrade your kernel | 23:31 |
| freemangordon | (if you want to kep KP) | 23:31 |
| freemangordon | s/kep/keep/ | 23:31 |
| freemangordon | KP<51 does not contain needed workarounds | 23:32 |
| metelica | ahh | 23:32 |
| tadzik | well, crap. Navigating to http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-thumb/community-thumb-fremantle.install on n900 simply opens the file and lets me read it | 23:33 |
| freemangordon | tadzik: WHAT? | 23:33 |
| tadzik | :) | 23:33 |
| kerio | tadzik: save and open from filemanager i suppose | 23:33 |
| freemangordon | what's wrong with your device? | 23:33 |
| freemangordon | kerio: HAM should auto-open it | 23:34 |
| kerio | freemangordon: merlin1991 tinkered with mime types :) | 23:34 |
| tadzik | it just opened the new tab wit the contents | 23:34 |
| tadzik | sounds like, yeah | 23:34 |
| freemangordon | kerio: what? | 23:34 |
| freemangordon | WTF? | 23:34 |
| freemangordon | why? | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: thanks | 23:34 |
| kerio | merlin1991: add a mime type for .install | 23:34 |
| metelica | not sure if this is the right channel to ask... is kp51r1 stable enough for +-ordinary user? | 23:34 |
| kerio | freemangordon: because now apt (and ham, hopefully) doesn't continuously redownload the same file over and over | 23:34 |
| tadzik | metelica: yes | 23:35 |
| freemangordon | metelica: not the right channel, but yes, it should be | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: since when? | 23:35 |
| kerio | freemangordon: lighttpd doesn't send last-modified or cache control if you don't specify a mime type | 23:35 |
| tadzik | yeah, it opens just fine from file manager | 23:35 |
| merlin1991 | hm what would be a proper mime type? | 23:35 |
| freemangordon | WTF did you do? It was rorking like a charm. And why the hell you had to do it in the middle of CSSU-thumb upgrade :( | 23:36 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: it affects only new users | 23:36 |
| freemangordon | sure | 23:36 |
| merlin1991 | and the wtf is because any apt-get would dl the full pkgs list all the time | 23:36 |
| merlin1991 | *apt-get update* | 23:36 |
| merlin1991 | because the header was missing | 23:36 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: any idea how to search for the correct mime type? | 23:37 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: I'll ask the maemo.org server for it's mimetype on the .install files :D | 23:38 |
| freemangordon | yeah, sounds sane | 23:38 |
| freemangordon | :D | 23:38 |
| merlin1991 | application/x-install-instructions | 23:39 |
| freemangordon | hehe | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-09-18 22:36:08] <TimRiker> dsl still down | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-09-18 22:36:27] <TimRiker> guess I'll head home and see what's up | 23:39 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: ok, I am just followint the instructions :P | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks nevertheless :-) | 23:40 |
| merlin1991 | oh ffs | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | felt like letting you know I actually use your help | 23:40 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: ok. | 23:41 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: did you do the comparison? | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, been terribly busy (resp temporarily tired) last two days | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's on my todo list still | 23:42 |
| freemangordon | ok. not pushing, just asking | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (my boss found a new task for me, so unsolicited vacancy ended today) | 23:43 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: BTW are you good with autotools? | 23:45 |
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| merlin1991 | nope | 23:45 |
| merlin1991 | I fight them whenever I have to fix something | 23:46 |
| freemangordon | seems bluez automake is fubar (even in the repos) | 23:46 |
| freemangordon | as long as you do autoreconf - no more building | 23:46 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: .install mime-type is fixed | 23:46 |
| freemangordon | any idea who can help? | 23:46 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: 10x | 23:46 |
| kerio | merlin1991: you could've put application/octet-stream for those | 23:47 |
| kerio | :3 | 23:47 |
| merlin1991 | tadzik: navigating to $longurl and installing -thumb should work again | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | funny stuff right now: http://www.amst.at/sites/products/humancentrifuges/centrifuge.html http://www.amst.at/sites/products/chamber/chamber.html http://www.amst.at/sites/products/ejs/ejs.html | 23:47 |
| tadzik | merlin1991: I'm doing that already, launched it from the file manager | 23:47 |
| tadzik | HAM now pretends to work, I think. It just said something about "community-ssu-enabler is already installed" | 23:47 |
| freemangordon | that's ok | 23:48 |
| freemangordon | it is installed after all :) | 23:48 |
| tadzik | apt-get doesn't seem to be running now, and the Updates icon blinks | 23:48 |
| freemangordon | tadzik: only Mameo update | 23:49 |
| freemangordon | *Maemo | 23:49 |
| tadzik | do you mean that's the only remaining thing? | 23:49 |
| tadzik | I never know when HAM is doing something and when it's done | 23:50 |
| freemangordon | I mean you should click on "Maemo update" only and ignore the others | 23:50 |
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| tadzik | okay | 23:50 |
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| merlin1991 | tadzik: when you're wondering if ham is running fire up top and look for apt-worker processes | 23:52 |
| merlin1991 | they'll eat over 90% of the cpu time if ham still works | 23:52 |
| tadzik | merlin1991: yeah, that's what I checked | 23:53 |
| freemangordon | tadzik: still installing? | 23:58 |
| tadzik | freemangordon: yes | 23:58 |
| tadzik | went offline, the hildon menubar is disappearing fromtime to time | 23:59 |
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