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| javispedro | freemangordon: wtf are you doing | 00:25 |
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| javispedro | freemangordon: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-im-vkbrenderer3/blobs/master/src/hildon-im-vkbrenderer.c#line1854 | 00:25 |
| javispedro | freemangordon: you cannot just paste a IDA decompiler output and relicense it under GPL3 | 00:25 |
| javispedro | s/GPL3/GPL/ | 00:26 |
| infobot | javispedro meant: freemangordon: you cannot just paste a IDA decompiler output and relicense it under GPL | 00:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | hmmmm, sounds like a valid concern | 01:04 |
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| freemangordon | hmm, IDA has licensed variable names atarting with v? I was not aware of that, but if that is the case i'll rename them | 01:09 |
| freemangordon | s/atarting/starting/ | 01:10 |
| infobot | freemangordon meant: hmm, IDA has licensed variable names starting with v? I was not aware of that, but if that is the case i'll rename them | 01:10 |
| freemangordon | what about unk1-unkN? is that ok? | 01:10 |
| freemangordon | javispedro, DocScrutinizer06 ^^^ ? | 01:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | hahaha | 01:17 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer06: unfortunately it is not funny :( | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | i ndeed | 01:19 |
| freemangordon | BTW I actually made a mistake, but it is here http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-im-vkbrenderer3/blobs/master/src/hildon-im-vkbrenderer.c#line1731 | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | you actually think I'll waste my time on continuing with that conversation? | 01:20 |
| freemangordon | i'll remove that ASAP, but please have in mid, I was dooing that in late night, I am human too | 01:20 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer06: no | 01:20 |
| freemangordon | code deffinitely needs lots of cleanup | 01:20 |
| freemangordon | actually I think you might be of great help here :) | 01:21 |
| freemangordon | as I am not much in licensing shit | 01:22 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer06: ^^^ | 01:22 |
| freemangordon | it is just that I don't like statements like "WTF are you doing" | 01:23 |
| freemangordon | after all the reason for publishing that is that someone else could take a look and contribute, help or whatever. Without pointing me "you stupid, what have you done" | 01:26 |
| * DocScrutinizer06 suggests song=fopen("/allmyMP3/rolling stones greatest hits.mp3"); write(song, 0x00 0x3f ..... {~60MB bytes as hex}) | 01:27 | |
| DocScrutinizer06 | and prepend that with GPL disclaimer | 01:27 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer06: you may want to check the firmware sources in kernel ;) | 01:27 |
| freemangordon | some of them of course | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | why? because they did it better than my syntactically incorrect and incomplete 3-liner c proggie above? | 01:28 |
| freemangordon | but that is not the point, I really won't argue as I actually agree | 01:28 |
| freemangordon | (believe it or not :P ) | 01:29 |
| freemangordon | the point is that I need help, I don't know if you check it, but it is something about 150k of source code, which I know needs cleanup | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | first of all clean up the GPL! | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | it's the worst offense in all that stuff/action | 01:31 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer06: would you rephrase? to remove the header or what? | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | replace by proper disclaimer like "for educational purposes only! not for copying!" | 01:31 |
| freemangordon | aah, ok :) | 01:31 |
| freemangordon | then what? | 01:32 |
| freemangordon | change the variable names? | 01:32 |
| * freemangordon is not kidding | 01:32 | |
| DocScrutinizer06 | thewn nfc what to do with it. RE is gray zone anyway | 01:33 |
| freemangordon | btw we have several RE things in CSSU, cbs widget being a part of them. all is LGPL licensed. | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | but *proper* RE wouldn't include any disaaembling (also no kidding, though I know *nobody* could do it like that) | 01:33 |
| freemangordon | BTW the license is not GPL but LGPL if that matters | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | nope | 01:34 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer06: there is no dissasembling | 01:34 |
| freemangordon | just a couple of variables named v1-vN | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | you transformed (C) materiel to another representation, that doesn't relieve the (C) from it | 01:34 |
| freemangordon | really a couple | 01:35 |
| freemangordon | which one is (C) | 01:35 |
| freemangordon | ? | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | it looks like a disassembler listing that gives us bit identical binary when assembled | 01:35 |
| freemangordon | have you ever seen hexrays output? | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | I've seen disassembler output | 01:36 |
| freemangordon | and it is not bit identical | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | the point is, it's not your work, it's derived work from a binary | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | that is (C) aiui | 01:36 |
| freemangordon | a lot of the drivers in kernel are the same | 01:37 |
| freemangordon | and there is no problem kernel to be GPL licensed | 01:37 |
| freemangordon | so WTF is the problem with FKB?!? | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | well, really I know where it's from, I know there's probably no other way, and I think you just shouldn't put a GPL header in there. No idea what else could be done with reasonable effort to form a proper genuine intelectual property work from that | 01:38 |
| freemangordon | well, maybe I should wait javispedro to appear again and give some more info besides "WTF" | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | to have your own licence header (whatever flavour) *you* have to write the code | 01:40 |
| freemangordon | because if it is not LGPL licensed, I don't see a way it to be distributed | 01:40 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer06: yep, (L)GPL :D | 01:40 |
| freemangordon | aah, sorry | 01:41 |
| freemangordon | misread what you have wrote | 01:41 |
| freemangordon | *written | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | that's the problem with (C)Nokia blobs: we MUSTN't distribute them, no matter if in original binary form or as disassembler listing | 01:41 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer06: hmm, incorrect, we have the "qgil's exception" for community driven projects | 01:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | but as mentioned before, I think Nokia won't care as long as you don't claim it's "yours" | 01:42 |
| freemangordon | well, I can't just (C) Nokia :( | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | yep, that's why I think you might get away with it, if and only if published without GPL header | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | well, why not? :-) | 01:43 |
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| freemangordon | hmm, I am ok with that actually, I don;t give a shit whether my name is in the header or not :) | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | you could write header "(C) Nokia. This is derived work to allow owners of the binary to user their right to modify it" | 01:44 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer06: if you gimme the exact license, i'll replace it tomorrow | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | "you mustn't use or distribute that code unless you own a N900" | 01:44 |
| freemangordon | but i think javispedro was talking about IDA, not about Nokia | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | nah | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | He meant exactly this | 01:45 |
| freemangordon | well, I'll ask him tomorrow (if his majesty is int the mood to gimme some meaningful answer) | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | :-) | 01:45 |
| freemangordon | I told you, it is not funny :( | 01:46 |
| freemangordon | :P | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | he probably is when you don't come like you did above | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | I actually thought it was a lame attempt to be funny | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | or sarcastic | 01:46 |
| freemangordon | lame? | 01:46 |
| freemangordon | it was funny :D | 01:46 |
| freemangordon | well, half sarcastic, half serious | 01:47 |
| freemangordon | Actually I didn't get what the problem is, now it is clear | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | try to leave out the sarcastic part, will not help to solve the issue ;-D | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | o/ | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | afk | 01:47 |
| freemangordon | I will, I was a bit angry on someone (even he is javispedro) coming and pointing at me "you stupid",without much info. Having in mind I spent the last month on that | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | awesome work btw :-) | 01:50 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer06: I am going AFK too, will appreciate if you prepare that license for me, I am ok with whatever license you find appropriate | 01:51 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer06: thanks :) | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | I don't think I'm the right one to find the proper "licence" for that | 01:51 |
| freemangordon | I really don;t give a shit if my name is there or not | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | first best approach: no licence at all | 01:51 |
| freemangordon | as long as it works and can be distributed to n900 users | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | it for sure can be distributed, the question is how | 01:52 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer06: well, hildon-input-method is GPL | 01:52 |
| freemangordon | and it uses those libs ;) | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | hmmm | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | might be a vector to tackle that problem | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | but I haven't got the head for that, right now | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | need a beer and then sleep | 01:53 |
| freemangordon | Copyright (c) 2005-2007 Nokia Corporation. | 01:53 |
| freemangordon | hildon-input-method is licensed under the terms of the LGPL version 2.1. | 01:53 |
| freemangordon | ok, bb, i have to go too | 01:53 |
| freemangordon | night | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | n8 | 01:54 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer06: A work created by observing how the original functions, and then | 09:26 |
| freemangordon | independently writing code that performs the same function, is not a | 09:26 |
| freemangordon | "derivative work" in the sense defined in copyright law | 09:26 |
| freemangordon | according to internet :) | 09:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | exactly | 09:54 |
| freemangordon | well, I don't get the problem then, really | 09:55 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | that's a proper reverse engineering, from observing how stuff *works* and creating your own code to do the same | 09:55 |
| freemangordon | yep | 09:55 |
| freemangordon | and there is no definition/restriction afaik on what tools one should use to do the observations | 09:56 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | while decompiling is not looking how stuff *works*, but how it's *built* | 09:56 |
| freemangordon | yeah, right, don't tell me gdb is the only way | 09:56 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | particularly if you're using parts of the decompiler output and copy it to your own source - but you already said you didn't do that | 09:57 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer06: I used some parts, javispedro pointed to one of them | 09:58 |
| freemangordon | thus my question about "unkN" | 09:58 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | hmm, then that's his concerns | 09:58 |
| freemangordon | and that is why I asked about variable names starting with v, no matter that you took it offensive | 09:58 |
| freemangordon | it was not meant to be | 09:59 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | even partial copy of any representation of original code is an act of (C)-violation and counterfeit code | 09:59 |
| freemangordon | well, could be, but I still cannot grok what needs to be done. I mean - is variables name change enough? | 10:01 |
| freemangordon | have in mind those names are not part of the binary | 10:01 |
| freemangordon | there is no debug info or whatever | 10:02 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | sure, the problem is that it suggests that you copied the code as seen by disassembler, rather than writing your own code | 10:04 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer06: http://pastebin.com/NSgzvu6v | 10:04 |
| freemangordon | here is how hexrays outpu looks like | 10:04 |
| freemangordon | compare that to what I published | 10:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | honestly, I can't help here, other than tellung you I thought you copied code from doisassembler when I looked at that URL javispedro posted here | 10:05 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | and I got no time to discuss this now, and also I'm no expert | 10:06 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | please use wikipedia and/or other publicly available source of info about (C) and RE and GPL implications | 10:07 |
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| ivgalvez | freemangordon ping | 13:56 |
| ivgalvez | You can use any binary blob copyrighted by Nokia in Open Source projects for Nokia devices, as long as you include the proper copyright notice.The same applies for derivative work such as RE. Do not relicense it as (L)GPL but put a notice saying saomething like "This is a derivative work from copyrighted material by Nokia. It's only intended for educational purposes on Free Open Source | 14:00 |
| ivgalvez | projects and can only be used in Nokia devices" | 14:00 |
| ivgalvez | Qgil was clear at that respect, there is no problem in using Nokia stuff (but not from 3rd parties) with that limitations | 14:01 |
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| freemangordon | ivgalvez: thanks, could you point me to the place I can get the exact license? | 15:11 |
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| ivgalvez | freemangordon: what do you mean by exact licence? | 16:00 |
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| freemangordon | ivgalvez: sorry, I meant the exact wording. Is there a place I can get an example from? | 16:32 |
| ivgalvez | not really | 16:40 |
| ivgalvez | but you could use the paragraph I wrote | 16:41 |
| ivgalvez | the question is that you cannot change original Nokia license or copyright notice | 16:41 |
| ivgalvez | whatever they were | 16:41 |
| freemangordon | ok | 16:41 |
| ivgalvez | but you can add a simple fair use notice with that sentence | 16:41 |
| arcean_ | merlin1991: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-desktop/merge_requests/25 | 16:47 |
| kerio | hm, what's that supposed to do? | 16:53 |
| kerio | make the thumbnail gray before making it disappear? | 16:53 |
| arcean_ | kerio: yes, something like that :) | 16:53 |
| kerio | neat | 16:54 |
| arcean_ | also blurless desaturation option produces sharper textures | 16:54 |
| kerio | blurless desaturation is the shit, i agree | 16:58 |
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| freemangordon | arcean_: you're my hero, at last we have that :D | 17:20 |
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| freemangordon | merlin1991: ping | 20:37 |
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| merlin1991 | freemangordon: pong | 20:49 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: I know you are on holiday and with bad internet, but is there any chance to create a repo for glibc on gitorious? | 20:49 |
| merlin1991 | why do we need one? | 20:50 |
| merlin1991 | afaik we don't change stuff on glibc, or is this thumb related? | 20:50 |
| freemangordon | hmm, ppoll/pselect? | 20:50 |
| freemangordon | well, the package is named 2.5.1-1eglibc27+0m5 | 20:51 |
| merlin1991 | it's a recompile of old sources | 20:51 |
| merlin1991 | no change whatsoever | 20:51 |
| freemangordon | merlin, patches for pselect (and co) should be applied to both kernel and libc | 20:52 |
| freemangordon | we have the kernel in CSSU, but not libc | 20:52 |
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| merlin1991 | freemangordon: my understanding was that we only have to recompile glibc from source and it will pick up the pselect support in the kernel headers? | 20:54 |
| freemangordon | hmm, could be, but don't we want the history? at least changelog and such | 20:55 |
| freemangordon | debian/control, etc | 20:55 |
| merlin1991 | well I'm atm fighting vs my bad internet | 20:56 |
| merlin1991 | might get a gitorious repo in a few mins :D | 20:56 |
| freemangordon | :D ok | 20:56 |
| merlin1991 | need to reload pages all the time because of timeouts :/ | 20:56 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: what would the repo title be? | 20:57 |
| freemangordon | glibc? | 20:57 |
| freemangordon | according to debian/control the source package is glibc | 20:58 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: BTW did you see the discussion on VKB license and such? | 20:59 |
| merlin1991 | nope I didn't have the time to read the backlog | 20:59 |
| freemangordon | ok | 20:59 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/glibc | 20:59 |
| freemangordon | the fuck, source package contains .svn directory | 21:00 |
| merlin1991 | lulz | 21:00 |
| merlin1991 | somebody didn't invoke dpkg-buildpackage properly :) | 21:00 |
| merlin1991 | but that hints, that there should be svn source avaiable somewhere on maemo.org | 21:01 |
| freemangordon | yes, I am trying to find it | 21:01 |
| freemangordon | juri.research.nokia.com | 21:02 |
| freemangordon | WT? | 21:02 |
| freemangordon | F | 21:02 |
| freemangordon | svn+ssh://juri.research.nokia.com/maemo-sdk/svn/tools/glibc/glibc-2.5.1 | 21:03 |
| kerio | ooh, is that the nokia repo with the updated flash player? | 21:03 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: that's glibc nothing flashy whatsoever :D | 21:04 |
| kerio | i meant the whole repo | 21:04 |
| merlin1991 | nah | 21:04 |
| freemangordon | well, cannot find anything, lemme try to svn browse it | 21:04 |
| merlin1991 | host not found for the dns here | 21:05 |
| kerio | merlin1991: and where would *that* repo be? | 21:05 |
| merlin1991 | hidden places ;) | 21:05 |
| kerio | how hidden, exactly? (; | 21:09 |
| kerio | sharing is caring! | 21:09 |
| merlin1991 | actually I don't have the url here | 21:09 |
| kerio | also, does that flash player work properly? | 21:10 |
| merlin1991 | never tried it | 21:10 |
| kerio | hm, would that be cssu material? | 21:12 |
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| freemangordon | merlin1991: could you rename kernel-cssu to kernel? | 21:26 |
| freemangordon | just for the sake of consistency | 21:26 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: any objections against "Backport c99/gnu89 inline support patch from glibc-2.6 to support new gcc." | 21:36 |
| freemangordon | well, I will push it, it can be easily disabled through series | 21:36 |
| freemangordon | (if needed) | 21:37 |
| kerio | freemangordon: "kernel" should be the omap1 kernel with bugfixes, though | 21:40 |
| freemangordon | kerio: feel free to do it | 21:41 |
| kerio | no u | 21:41 |
| MrPingu | kerio: same idea I had about "cssu" kernel | 21:41 |
| freemangordon | I am going to do what was agreed with the CSSU maintainer | 21:41 |
| kerio | srsly though, kernel-power as "kernel" is probably not a good idea | 21:41 |
| MrPingu | however I don't mind having a kernel with more features in CSSU ;) | 21:42 |
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| freemangordon | and who told you that KP is goingt o be "the kernel" | 21:42 |
| freemangordon | kerio: ^^^ | 21:42 |
| MrPingu | Since cssu3 is kp51? | 21:42 |
| kerio | because kernel-cssu is kp51 | 21:42 |
| kerio | yep | 21:42 |
| freemangordon | cssu3 is not distributed with official CSSU | 21:42 |
| MrPingu | true ^^ | 21:43 |
| freemangordon | "kernel" will contain those patches from KP which are considered usefull and safe | 21:43 |
| MrPingu | May I ask what features are left out in official cssue kernel if one compares to kp | 21:44 |
| freemangordon | MrPingu: it is still not cleaar | 21:44 |
| MrPingu | freemangordon: Thanks, actually everything is fine to me as I am probably going with KP... | 21:45 |
| freemangordon | most probably USB hostmode will not be | 21:45 |
| freemangordon | but it is still to be decided, part of my job will be to prepare a list of the patches and my opinion on whether we should include them or not. | 21:46 |
| freemangordon | then the others could take that and agree/not | 21:46 |
| kerio | yeah, usb hostmode as pali made it requires bq24200_charger.ko which is borked | 21:46 |
| freemangordon | kerio: no | 21:46 |
| kerio | no what? | 21:47 |
| freemangordon | <kerio> yeah, usb hostmode as pali made it requires bq24200_charger.ko which is borked | 21:48 |
| kerio | well, it *is* borked! | 21:49 |
| freemangordon | USB hostmode (gui) does not need it | 21:49 |
| freemangordon | noone forces you to use Pali's version | 21:49 |
| freemangordon | there is h-e-n gui on repos | 21:49 |
| kerio | that's why i said "usb hostmode as pali made it" | 21:49 |
| kerio | and that's why i mentioned it as we were talking about which patches to include in the cssu kernel | 21:49 |
| kerio | and that's also why i'm still using h-e-n and not usbmode | 21:50 |
| kerio | .sh | 21:50 |
| freemangordon | well , those bqxxxx modules for sure won;t make it in cssu until proven stable. though on the other hand thay are disabled by default, so will see | 21:50 |
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