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| chem|st | ivgalvez: would you mind to get your hands on nokia again to convince them to give out a few more devel devices to cssu?! (moh, merlin and me) I know they still have some, loaners would be fine with me | 11:25 |
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| ivgalvez | chem|st: I'd wish that was possible | 12:17 |
| ivgalvez | I think that Woody already commented that possibility with Qgil | 12:18 |
| ivgalvez | but there were no more devices or Nokia wasn't interested at all | 12:19 |
| ivgalvez | it would be better to talk with Woody about that | 12:19 |
| ivgalvez | however once we have a new contact in Nokia (if ever) | 12:19 |
| ivgalvez | we will try again | 12:19 |
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| chem|st | ivgalvez: good! I am considering to buy 2 devices from ebay for now | 13:12 |
| chem|st | merlin1991: do you need another device? | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | N900? | 13:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or rm6xx | 13:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | chem|st: ^ | 13:26 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: I'd take a n9 64gb as well ;) | 14:04 |
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| kerio | meh, the n9 has aegis | 14:05 |
| chem|st | I need a second n900 to have testing and stable installed at the same time | 14:05 |
| chem|st | and actually I need a third for my girlfriend and a fourth for joy! | 14:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | chem|st: you on't have 5 already? | 15:26 |
| chem|st | nope | 15:26 |
| jon_y | so that's where all the N900 end up these days? | 15:26 |
| chem|st | yeap | 15:27 |
| jon_y | :) | 15:27 |
| chem|st | I'd actually like to have like 6... | 15:27 |
| jon_y | I just read the Galaxy S3 has a whopping 2GB of RAM, why can't a Nokia phone do that? :| | 15:27 |
| chem|st | to have at least one hardwired to my car... | 15:27 |
| jon_y | do that and run on pure unadulterated GNU/Linux | 15:28 |
| chem|st | jon_y: WTF? you do not compare devices with release date diff >2 month | 15:28 |
| jon_y | I mean there are no N-series anymore | 15:28 |
| chem|st | Nseries is dead | 15:28 |
| chem|st | Nokia is dead | 15:28 |
| chem|st | the only way how nokia could get back on track would be phoenixing maemo and symbian... | 15:29 |
| jon_y | or comodity phones, like PCs :) | 15:30 |
| jon_y | mix and match critter phones | 15:30 |
| jon_y | not sure if it'll actually fly though | 15:30 |
| jon_y | slot-in this and that | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's not how embedded works | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | neither technically nor economically | 15:32 |
| jon_y | yeap, which is why I'm not a product director of a company | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jon_y: the point is even complex chips are usually in the <10$ range, while tooling and b2b-connectors and housing with slots and flaps and screws costs fortunes and tends to get clumsy and of questionable reliability | 15:37 |
| jon_y | yeah, I can see that | 15:38 |
| jon_y | I have a friend who claimed she could solder surface mounted chips | 15:38 |
| jon_y | that itself sounds crazy | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | not entirely | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~joerg | 15:38 |
| infobot | rumour has it, joerg is a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, usually known as DocScrutinizer | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~buzzfix | 15:39 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, buzzfix is http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/ and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Buzz_Fix and http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2008-August/000267.html ff. | 15:39 |
| jon_y | DocScrutinizer51: how do you solder surface mount? | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | depends on component | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 0402 get blown away by hot air, so solder them 'classic way' | 15:40 |
| jon_y | do you use flux or just the solder and metal? | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | never without high class flux | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | unless you use solder paste | 15:41 |
| jon_y | hmm solder paste | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | solder paste not compatible with classic soldering though | 15:42 |
| jon_y | I have not used solder paste before | 15:43 |
| jon_y | only the classic soldering method | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | solder paste is expensive, turns bad in 6 months, and only suited for reflow (hot air or IR) | 15:44 |
| jon_y | nope, I have no such equipment at home | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | a pan with lid, filled with sand, is a tested reflow tool ;-) | 15:47 |
| jon_y | sand? | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | fine sand | 15:48 |
| jon_y | heh, lung cancer :) | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | eh? | 15:49 |
| jon_y | well, fine dust/sand/sawdust is known for causing tumor growth in the lung | 15:50 |
| jon_y | so I hear | 15:50 |
| chem|st | jon_y: so does living in a city | 15:50 |
| jon_y | well, you don't breath sand in the face of course | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nah, it's life causing that | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sand is absolutely harmless | 15:51 |
| chem|st | lately a study came to the conclusion that life kills people! | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | particularly the cleaned white san you use for bird cages etc | 15:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | sand* | 15:52 |
| jon_y | hmm, no idea how fine those are | 15:52 |
| chem|st | we are not talking nano particles... | 15:52 |
| jon_y | average house dust might be a lot bigger, so not as dangerous :) | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | not so fihe that it would build clouds | 15:52 |
| jon_y | :) | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | we're still talking about sand, not about SiO2 dust | 15:54 |
| jon_y | ok, not too fine I guess | 15:55 |
| jon_y | not metalic dust | 15:55 |
| kerio | dihydrogen monoxide kills people! | 16:09 |
| chem|st | kerio: especially by drinking it! | 16:17 |
| kerio | well, fwiw *everything* has a LD_50 | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | even neutrinos? | 16:18 |
| kerio | sure | 16:18 |
| kerio | well, you'd have to find a way to eat or drink a bunch of those | 16:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ooh, transcutane consumption doesn't count? | 16:20 |
| kerio | hm, i suppose it would | 16:21 |
| kerio | i bet the LD50 for neutrinos is bound from above by A(A(G, G), A(G, G)) | 16:23 |
| kerio | where A is the ackermann function and G is graham's number | 16:23 |
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| * amiconn also did a bit of soldering on surface mounted stuff | 18:23 | |
| amiconn | Classic soldering only... it's possible as long as no bga is involved | 18:24 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer51: you know that charging the bupbat *is* something that cssu will have to add, right? | 18:24 |
| kerio | so, together with pselect, we need a cssu kernel | 18:24 |
| freemangordon | kerio: wait to see if it is charged or not | 18:25 |
| freemangordon | will discuss what to be done only if needed | 18:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: so what? | 18:48 |
| kerio | so kernel! yay! | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | well, I thought we already agreed on kernel | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | some kernel | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | however I guess NOLO sets BBCFG to a sane value, and kernel not touching it at all | 18:50 |
| kerio | EWIN | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and that wouldn't be a real bug in the end | 18:51 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: it is 0x1b | 18:59 |
| freemangordon | whatever it means | 18:59 |
| freemangordon | seems like enabled, lemme check the voltage | 19:01 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: 3126 mV | 19:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | 1b means: 'enabled' '3100mV' '1mA' | 19:53 |
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