IRC log of #maemo-ssu for Monday, 2012-07-23

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merlin1991dreamer: just cssu00:29
merlin1991dreamer: when you open ham (wait a bit) go to catalogues, click the cssu cataloge and change the url to http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/00:30
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merlin1991whoever designed the git network protocol needs to be killed01:17
merlin1991attemt #4 to upload the fsckd microb-engine source01:18
DocScrutinizer05I guess that's Linus then01:49
Sc0rpiusLinus deserves to be killed I agree01:52
tadzik-- Sent from my Linux-based OS01:52
DocScrutinizer05http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Git_(software)#History  >>Torvalds wanted a distributed system that he could use like BitKeeper, but none of the available free systems met his needs, particularly his performance needs. From an email he wrote on 7 April 2005 while writing the first prototype:[8] ....01:53
merlin1991well he certainly did the local stuff, dunno about the git:// protocol01:59
merlin1991btw Sc0rpius on tmo we had a post about modest crashing with a specific newsletter email02:00
merlin1991hm but op didn't provide the email yet02:00
Sc0rpius:S02:00
merlin1991ah wait he did02:02
merlin1991https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1264402:02
povbotBug 12644: modest crashes always on opening newsletter mail of one specific sender02:02
merlin1991Sc0rpius: can you check that?02:03
merlin1991FINALLY02:09
merlin1991freemangordon: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/microb-engine/commits/master02:10
Sc0rpiusit definitely crashes modest.02:15
Sc0rpiusbut not always, only if I open and leave it.  If I scroll it when it opens it doesn't crash it02:17
Sc0rpiusthis will be hard.02:17
DocScrutinizer05What I'm missing in the whole bunch of linus quotes is "None of those was half decent. So I thought I can come up with something better in two weeks..." OWTTE02:18
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chem|stamiconn: wpa enterprise background connection is not working ever since or are you trying to get some new stuff cracking?11:41
Palifreemangordon, do you know how to fix problem that gmail via SSL do not working in thumbed browser?11:45
Pali(also more sites do not working via SSL)11:45
freemangordonPali: it is a toolchain problem, will use linaro 4.7 to build microb-engine, hopefully today11:56
Paliok, good to know where is problem11:57
freemangordonPali: as a workaround you can disable TLS in about:config11:57
Palifreemangordon, can you also build browserd daemon with thumb?11:57
freemangordonsure, but what is the gain, afaik browserd is about 100k or something11:58
freemangordonPali: could you push the patches from KP51 in kernel-cssu?12:03
Paliyes, after autobuilder build kp51...12:03
PaliI tried to find problem now...12:03
Palialso I will update bq2415x driver for kp5112:04
Palinow I have working usbmode.sh script and applet for switching between peripheral & host mode :-)12:04
Paliapplet with 3 buttons: peripheral, host with boost, host with charge12:04
freemangordonPali: you're my hero man :)12:17
Palideb package + source code is now on: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/usbmode/12:18
Palibut it depends on unreleased pacthes for kernel-power12:18
freemangordonPali: any progress on autobuilder KP51 issue?12:18
Palimaybe I found where is autobuilder problem...12:19
PaliI need to push new version, but I'm waiting for error message of current build12:19
freemangordonok12:23
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Palitrying to push kp51 again12:39
Palifreemangordon: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=8565812:52
freemangordonPali: great. unfortunately still no kp51 in extras12:54
freemangordon-devel12:54
Palicompiling...12:54
freemangordonhmm12:54
Paliok, going for launch12:54
freemangordonhmm, good idea :D12:54
Palitada... https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/kernel-power_2.6.28-10power51/13:01
kerio\o/13:08
kerioPali: i love you <313:09
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kerioPali: but why an applet and not the battery indicator substitute that does magical things instead of bme?13:09
kerioPali: what does usb host mode with charging mean?13:10
kerioalso, why can't it just be boostoff?13:10
kerioDocScrutinizer05: something that's still not clear to me - if something else is feeding power to the usb device, does vboost drain the battery?13:13
kerioPali: hmm... there's a problem13:16
keriokernel-power-flasher depends on kp5013:16
kerioor fapman is being stupid13:17
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Palikerio, booston/boostoff is now obsolated by kernel driver bq2415x13:50
kerioPali: yeah but sometimes i just want to turn off vboost without starting the charge13:50
kerionot sure if it's useful though13:50
Palikerio, battery icon/bme will be next part13:51
kerioPali: will you (or someone else) eventually write a hald-addon-fakebme?13:51
Palikerio, host mode with charging means disable vboost and enable charger (with fastcharger detection disabled)13:51
Palikerio, yes13:51
kerioPali: "enable charger" i hope only up to 500mA13:52
Palikerio, yes13:52
Palikerio, only working is charger off and host charger13:52
kerioyeah, i figured13:52
kerioPali: yeah but after establishing the connection sometimes i turn vboost off if i'm powering the device in another way13:53
kerionot sure if it helps with the battery13:53
kerio(without charging, because the external power comes from a usb port)13:53
Palithen you can switch to charging mode13:53
kerioyeah but i don't know if there'll be enough power13:53
Palicharging mode is auto (without fastcharger detection)13:54
kerioso i wanted to set the charging mode to "none"13:54
Paliyou can do it manually via xterm13:54
keriowell, charging mode is "device" or something, isn't it13:54
kerioduring host mode13:54
Palithere are 4 modes for bq driver: auto, host, dedicated, boost13:54
Paliand 5th: none13:55
kerioauto is the one that switches between host and dedicated13:55
kerioyes13:55
Paliand none13:55
keriowell, yeah13:55
kerio...is it bad if you set a mode without having the correct hardware part?13:55
Paliyou can fry usb..., kerio ask Doc about it13:56
kerioD:13:56
PaliI do not want to test it...13:56
kerioso i can fry the usb if i set "dedicated" without anything connected?13:56
kerio...where does it get enough energy to fry itself?13:56
PaliI think no13:56
Paliyou can fry computer/other part of usb cable13:57
Paliwith some cheap usb board on computer...13:57
keriomusb_hdrc can be hosth, hostf, hostl and peripheral?13:57
kerioi see13:57
Palikerio, yes13:57
Pali(for rx51)13:58
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keriowhat i don't know is whether it's useless to set vboost off if i'm powering the usb device externally14:02
Palikerio, if you have external power you can turn boost off14:08
kerioyeah but is it useful?14:08
Paliyes, increase battery life14:08
Paliyou do not need provide voltage over usb14:08
keriohow is the power "split" if i have two things providing power?14:08
Palikerio, do not know ask your hub seller...14:09
keriopff, "hub"14:09
kerioi have a Y cable that has the power-only part connected to my laptop14:09
Paliso power from n900 usb is not connected...14:10
keriowell, in h-e-n you have to enable boost for the gui to work properly14:11
keriobut once i establish a connection i turn boost off manually from xterm14:11
kerioanyway, i uninstalled cleven and hostmode-gui now14:12
keriocuz kp51 is more important :314:12
kerioPali: what's left to do? get the -devel maintainer to put the packages in?14:14
Palikp51 is in -devel now!14:14
PaliI belive autobuilder it compiled without problem14:14
Paligoing to install & test14:15
kerio^_^14:25
kerio^_^ ^_^ ^_^14:25
Palistrage :-( rmmod bq2415_charger will reboot device...14:35
kerioD:14:36
keriothat's bad!14:36
Palimaybe I found problem...14:37
Palicompling kernel on computer and testing if will work...14:37
PaliSo I need to test if rmmod on all (or more) working too!14:38
Palimy faul...14:38
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kerioPali: so... is a fix expected to be released in a little while?15:34
Paliyes15:34
Paliits needed for new usb host mode15:34
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kerioi see15:41
kerioso... why is it still in the repos? :)15:41
Palibecause nobody (except X-Fade) cannot delete packages from repos15:47
Paliproblem fixed, now I will push new version 51r115:50
keriowhat was the problem?15:51
kerioand package maintainers need a big red button with a removable plastic cover to SHUT. DOWN. EVERYTHING.15:53
Palidereference NULL pointer15:56
kerioD:15:59
kerioin the kernel?15:59
keriothat's bad15:59
freemangordonPali: make it v52, nnone knows how repos will react in 51r116:27
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kerio51r1 > 51, i think16:31
kerioi mean, -power51r1 is greater than -power5116:31
kerioor something16:31
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merlin1991Pali: I had a look at https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ke-recv/merge_requests/1#13db9fe7131d06636a865dea17bb741195237455-13db9fe7131d06636a865dea17bb741195237455@1 we could use dnsmasq as dhcp server instead, it's always installed16:59
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merlin1991udhcpd is only provided by busybox power afaik16:59
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freemangordonkerio: maemo-extras has its own understanding ;)16:59
keriowhat the fuck, autostarting a dhcp server?17:00
keriohell naw17:00
keriothat's bad17:00
kerioand you should feel bad17:00
kerioipv4 has link-local addresses, you should use that at most17:00
merlin1991kerio this is about pc <-> n90017:01
merlin1991in that case link-local isn't what you want17:01
keriowhy do i want a dhcp server?17:02
merlin1991because when you have a usb network adapter that has no ip or a different subnet than the n900 then it is pretty useless17:02
kerioip autoconfiguration where neither side has a "privileged" role should be done with link-local addresses17:04
keriowhat should usb networking be used for?17:05
merlin1991black magic or other stuff17:05
merlin1991freemangordon: did you see microb on gitorious?17:05
keriocool, link-local is black magic anyway17:05
kerionot to mention that autostarting a dhcp server would screw up all the mobilehotspot-like programs17:09
Palimerlin1991, udhcpd is in maemo extras17:12
merlin1991Pali: dnsmasq is in the rootfs :D17:12
Palimerlin1991, but if you can configure dnsmasq for dhcp server pactches are welcome :-)17:12
PaliI did not use dnsmasq for dhcp server, only udhcpd and isc dhcp17:12
Palikerio, ipv4 local link address needs avahi-daemon on both sides (computer and n900)17:13
kerioreally?17:13
keriocan't you just make up a 169.254.x.y address?17:13
kerio:o17:13
Paliand on both sides must be avahi-daemon for NetworkManager and ICD2 configured17:14
Palilocal link ipv4 address is assigned via some multicast packets to prevent colisions17:14
keriohm, RFC 3927 doesn't talk about avahi17:15
Paliit is zeroconf protocol17:22
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kerioPali: is KP51r1 installable now?17:28
Palikerio, if autobuilder pushed it to extras-devel, then yes17:29
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kerioyay, i has KP51r117:39
kerio~pali17:40
keriohrmpf17:40
kerioPali: link to your wobsite?17:40
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kerioinfobot: pali is http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/17:45
infobotkerio: okay17:45
kerioPali: hahaha i installed your usbmode17:49
kerioit's *everywhere*17:49
kerioPali: hmm, somehow bme was started when i unloaded the bq module17:53
kerioit was weird17:53
keriooh no, nvm, usbmode starts bme when it needs to17:56
keriosweet17:56
kerioanyway, your autoconf script doesn't work18:00
kerio:(18:00
Palikerio, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=8565818:24
kerioyeah, that's what i installed18:25
kerioit's neat, but the autoconfiguration didn't work for me18:25
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Palikerio, first attach usb device then change mode18:29
kerioi did18:29
kerioit was a pen drive18:29
kerioit cycled between low speed mode and full speed mode18:30
kerioand it didn't enumerate correctly with either, i think18:30
Palikerio, if autodetection of speed does not working try: open-xterm, run as root usbmode.sh host <speed> (change speed with low full or high)18:31
keriobut that's cheating :P18:31
Paliand then wait18:31
kerioi got it to work by manually echoing18:32
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freemangordonmerlin1991: will look at it later18:39
kerioPali: btw, why rmmod and not modprobe -r?18:42
Paliwhy not?18:42
kerioso you don't have to rmmod all the deps18:43
kerioPali: there's no way to not autoenumerate18:44
Palikerio, no18:45
Palibut what is problem?18:45
Palineed to wait more seconds?18:45
kerioidk18:45
keriothe light for boost mode is neat though :)18:46
keriowell, for host mode18:46
kerioanyway, an explicit "enumerate" button would be neat, but that can be done via queen beecon anyway18:47
Palikerio, if there is need for longer timeout before/after enumerate this can be fixed18:50
keriohm, i suppose so18:51
Palikerio, edit script /usr/sbin/usbmode.sh and insrease sleep <NUM> before or after usb_enum calls18:52
kerioPali: does it try high speed first?18:53
Palinow, with low18:53
kerio:c18:54
keriowhy?18:54
keriothis is one of the reasons automatisms are bad!18:54
* kerio wants his money back18:55
Palikerio, there is no way how to check for low speed18:56
keriojust try high, full and low in order18:56
keriothe first one that succeeds wins18:56
Paliin low speed mode, you can check if device is low speed or high/full18:57
keriohm18:57
Paliif is not low try high or full (which comes from detections)18:57
kerioPali: the applet calls the script, right?19:04
Paliyes19:05
kerioPali: hmm, i get "no available filesystems" or something19:05
kerioa couple of times19:05
Palithis is bug in ke-recv19:05
keriois the automounter trying to mount while you're enabling/disabling usb under his nose?19:05
kerioi see19:05
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Palike-recv thinks that every device must be usb disk19:06
keriook, setting both the times to 5 seconds worked19:06
Paliand if you set incorrect speed ke-recv also do something19:06
kerioexcept that now i need 30 seconds to automount a flash drive19:06
kerio=)19:06
keriohrmpf, no easy way to unmount from the file manager19:07
kerioi don't like this :c19:07
kerioPali: touching /etc/bme-disabled makes your script only use the kernel modules, even for charging, right?19:07
kerio(except that i'm not advised to do so because hald-addon-fakebme still isn't there)19:08
kerio(and act_dead mode would fail)19:08
kerioPali: were the sleeps of 1 and 2 just made up by you? did they work for you? and for what?19:29
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Palikerio, it worked for all usb flashes and usb rj45 card19:33
keriohm, can you check the default values? is it boost, sleep 1, enum, sleep 2 or boost, sleep 2, enum, sleep 1?19:35
kerioto cssu people: can we add more terminfo?19:36
kerioit's something that can be done by an external package, but really *not* in a clean way19:37
freemangordonPali: could you push the patches from KP51r1 to KCSSU?19:38
Palifreemangordon, yes later19:38
freemangordon10x a lot19:38
keriofreemangordon: does cssu-thumb still depend on kernel-cssu? or does it depend on the kernel features?19:41
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freemangordonit still depends on kernel-cssu.19:41
kerio:(19:42
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Palifreemangordon, merged19:48
freemangordonPali, thanks19:49
Palinow going to create gitorious project rx51-bme-replacement19:58
kerio^_^19:59
freemangordongood, lets hope jonwil will change his mind and join :P19:59
kerioPali: is there a way to permanently disable bme?19:59
Palikerio, no19:59
jonwilNot interested in helping with the BME replacement, too busy documenting all the DBUS stuff on maemo5 fremantle :)19:59
freemangordonjonwil: i know, I was just pulling your leg19:59
freemangordon:)20:00
freemangordonkerio: once we have everything in place, an empty bme package will do the job20:00
keriothere's probably a dbus message to pull jonwil's leg20:00
keriofreemangordon: what about the things that *start* bme?20:00
freemangordonit is a script in init.d/event.d, part of bme package iirc20:01
kerioi see20:01
keriois it watchdogged?20:01
Pali/etc/event.d/<something> has start on started bme20:04
Palithis is more complicated, but I was able to disable bme in qemu20:04
Palicreated: https://gitorious.org/rx51-bme-replacement20:04
keriomaybe that package should also have a file in /etc/bme-disabled so Pali's scripts will work20:05
Palikerio, yes this is reason why I added this to usbmode20:05
freemangordonPali: thinking of removing kernel-flasher.preinst warning(for kernel-cssu), what do you think20:06
Paliok20:06
freemangordonremoving kernel-cssu-flasher.preinst will do the job, ain't?20:07
keriowait, why?20:08
freemangordonbecause it appears when system update has already started20:09
freemangordonplus I don't see the purpose of it20:10
kerioi see20:10
keriome neither :)20:11
keriofreemangordon: btw, your users should install a thumb-capable kernel *before* installing the rest of cssu-thumb20:12
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freemangordon:nod:20:15
kerioshould the thumb-dependency even be enforced? it's like requiring a particular metapackage for an architecture20:15
amiconnOf course the kernel update appears when I'm on a trip (and don't want to flash for safety reasons - the N900 being my only connection to the intarwebz for a while)20:45
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freemangordonPali: compat-wireless stuff is missing21:05
Paliwhat?21:06
freemangordonkernel-cssu21:06
Paliit is in extras-devel21:06
freemangordonhere https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/kernel-cssu21:06
freemangordonrules to build it21:06
Palido you need it?21:06
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freemangordonbut of course :)21:06
Paliit is only source code21:06
Paliit only create multiplatform deb package with source code21:07
freemangordondebian/rules in kernel-cssu21:07
freemangordonis missing the commits to build compat drivers21:07
Palipacket-injection-source-stamp:21:08
freemangordonok, I will look at the commits and will forward-port them21:09
Palialso packet-injection-configure-stamp21:09
Paliand packet-injection-build-stamp21:09
Paliare in kernel-cssu-2.6.28/debian/rules21:09
freemangordonhmm21:09
freemangordonlemme check again21:09
Paliah I forgot to move patches from kernel-power to kernel-cssu subtree21:11
freemangordonwill you do it?21:11
Paliyes21:11
freemangordonwhich patches BTW?21:12
Palibq27x00-sysfs-registers.diff21:12
Paliclear_the_it_state_when_invoking_a_thumb_2_signal_handler.diff21:12
freemangordonok21:12
freemangordonPali: it is already there21:12
freemangordonthe last one21:12
freemangordondidn't you pull it from kernel-cssu?21:13
freemangordonPali: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/kernel-cssu/commit/07002d818c0c8b539d85da142e3caa39eec4e56021:13
Palifixed21:14
Palido git pull21:14
freemangordondid it, /debian/patches/bq27x00-sysfs-registers.diff is there21:16
freemangordonfor some reason my previous pull failed, without me noticing it21:16
dreamereh .. ok. I finally got network on my n900 and switched to testing, ran the update and it reboots21:18
dreamernow I get Error with: cp /lib/libacl.so.1 /tmp/disk/lib/ Code: 121:19
dreamerno such file or directory21:19
dreamerhmm, rebooted a couple of times now (couldn't really do anything else, screen went black if I didn't 'press any key'), but now it's finally booting .. hmm21:20
dreamercool, new features \o/21:22
dreamerthat autoorientation is pretty neat :)21:22
freemangordonPali: KP51r1 bootimg provides kernel-feature-errata-430973-workaround?21:22
Palifail :-(21:26
Paliyes21:26
freemangordonok, I will remove it in kernel-cssu, you'd better to the same in KP :D21:27
Palifreemangordon, try add this dependency for metapackage: kernel-power-flasher | kernel-cssu-flasher | kernel-feature-...21:27
freemangordons /to / do /21:27
PaliHAM or apt-get should use first available package21:27
freemangordonPali: I want to depend only to  kernel-feature-..21:28
freemangordons/to/on/21:28
infobotfreemangordon meant: Pali: I want on depend only to  kernel-feature-..21:28
freemangordonWTF21:28
freemangordonAnd if I add kernel-power-flasher | kernel-cssu-flasher | kernel-feature-... as depends: , stupid hamm will pull bootimg :(21:29
freemangordonalready tried it21:29
PaliI think it try if you have already installed bootimg21:30
freemangordonPali: would you push a new KP, or me to do it21:30
freemangordonno21:30
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PaliI going offline now... I look at it later...21:30
freemangordonunfortunately it pulls bootimg as b is before f21:30
freemangordonok21:30
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dreamerwow, the desktop boots way faster now too. nice21:55
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lufmerlin1991: ping22:13
merlin1991pong22:13
lufTomorrow? Or today?22:18
lufI don't expect you answer so fast :)22:19
keriowait, why do you want to push another KP?22:19
freemangordonkerio: KP51r1 has a bug in debian/control22:19
kerioD:22:20
keriowhich bug?22:20
freemangordonthat could lead to unbootable devices22:20
kerioD: D: D:22:20
keriophew, my device boots22:20
freemangordonkernel-power-bootimg provides kernel-feature-errata-430973-workaround, but only flasher should provide that22:21
kerioi see22:21
keriowell, not really22:21
keriothe -bootimg should also provide that :)22:21
freemangordonwell, trust me on that (tm)22:21
freemangordonmerlin1991: btw maybe another guy will want to join CSSU (look here http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1241775&postcount=25)22:24
RaimuOkay, if the bootimg provides the feature for all bootable kernels to use... ah, I see.22:24
freemangordonRaimu: once you have thumb stuff installed, you have no option, but to boot a thumb-enabled kernel22:25
Raimufreemangordon: Yes.22:25
freemangordonu-boot is a different beer22:25
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freemangordonmerlin1991: I am thinking that soon CSSU will need a CEO and a couple of project managers :D:D:D22:28
keriosudo apt-get install i-promise-to-only-boot-thumb-enabled-kernels22:28
luffreemangordon: are you tired with development and want go higher? :D22:28
freemangordonno22:28
freemangordonthat's for sure ;)22:29
Raimukerio: Solemnly swear?22:29
lufkerio: where to get such package? :D22:29
freemangordonok, kernel-cssu-thumb3 built, lets see if it boots :D22:31
lufmerlin1991: May I ask tomorrow for new package(s) to git?22:32
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merlin1991luf: sure22:55
lufSo nothing today? :D22:55
merlin1991we can today aswell22:55
lufOk so what can I do fot it?22:56
merlin1991tell me what you want :D22:56
lufobexd and evolution-data-server patch put into cssu-devel.22:57
lufAnd you know what I want ;)22:57
merlin1991do you have a gitorious account?22:57
lufI think so.22:57
merlin1991please check the nick22:58
lufyou can guess ;) luf for sure. I checked it now.22:59
merlin1991https://gitorious.org/+cssu-developers/memberships23:00
merlin1991--> you can push to any repo inside the community-ssu project23:00
lufwhoops.23:00
freemangordonluf: be careful :P23:01
freemangordonand welcome :)23:02
luffreemangordon: you know I have the power :D to destroy ... :D23:02
keriofreemangordon: realistically, can't you just tell people to install the appropriate kernel *before* installing your flavour of cssu?23:02
luffreemangordon: thanks.23:02
freemangordonkerio: no23:02
keriobut why not? :c23:03
freemangordonjust look at cssu-thumb thread before asking me why23:03
freemangordon:D:D:D23:03
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merlin1991freemangordon: CEO :P23:15
merlin1991hm what's the pay? 500 internetz?23:16
freemangordonthank you, but no, thank you :P23:16
freemangordonmerlin1991: well, nokia has CEO, why shouldn't we :D23:17
luffreemangordon: You want MS ? :S23:18
freemangordonwell, there are options to discuss :P23:19
lufHmmm in that case I should leave the cssu :( It's lost time when you plan overtake by MS :D :D23:20
freemangordonhehe23:20
freemangordonwell, I withdraw my proposal :D23:20
freemangordonwe'd better have luf than ceo23:21
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luf:D :D one point for you23:21
* freemangordon somehow managed to screw up kernel-cssu on gitorious, lets hope it is not fubar23:22
merlin1991push -f can fix a lot of things ;)23:23
freemangordonmerlin1991: well, it looks good, just complicated23:25
freemangordonit is strange that git gui refuse to push, while git push somehow succeeded23:26
freemangordon*refused23:26
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merlin1991freemangordon: well if we pick up more people at some point we'll have to get some structure23:47
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freemangordonmerlin1991: yeah :(23:47
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freemangordonmerlin1991: I am glad I am not the maintainer :P23:54
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lufI vote freemangordon for CEO :D23:59

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