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| Estel_ | I would rather face problems with forming structure due to too many contributors, than returning to 2 people dream-team working alone on CSSU* :P | 02:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | git gui???? | 09:35 |
| freemangordon | ever told you I am lazy ;) | 09:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ever told you I'm basically a git noob (and a lazy gui junkie too)? | 09:36 |
| freemangordon | never, but git has gui :P | 09:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | where? how? how much ;-P? | 09:37 |
| freemangordon | it is either git gui or git-gui, depending on the distribution | 09:37 |
| freemangordon | in usual way, apt-get | 09:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wow | 09:37 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: do you know gitk? | 09:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gitwhat? | 09:39 |
| freemangordon | gitk | 09:39 |
| freemangordon | now you know it, use it smart :P | 09:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm about to learn repo (*uaerghhh*) | 09:40 |
| freemangordon | that is basically a history browser | 09:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | friggin useful | 09:41 |
| freemangordon | commits/branches/whatever history that is | 09:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (hist browser) | 09:41 |
| freemangordon | yep | 09:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while repo is so... | 09:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | git the hard way | 09:41 |
| freemangordon | repo? WTF is that, some android SDK tool? | 09:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~lart google | 09:42 |
| * infobot teaches google the basics, including how to RTM | 09:42 | |
| freemangordon | isn't that integrated in eclipse? | 09:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | python wrapper around git, to handle forests (SIC!) | 09:43 |
| freemangordon | never heard about it. but having in mind I am not exactly linux developer, it is not unusual | 09:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: at my job I need to do kneedeep kernel development for android, no eclipse for me | 09:44 |
| freemangordon | aaah | 09:44 |
| * freemangordon feels sorry for doc | 09:44 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and *of course* we got owr own git repos for that | 09:45 |
| freemangordon | well, if it is git, you should be able to use *normal* tools to access them | 09:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so all the public howto stuff is just a slight hint | 09:46 |
| freemangordon | at least you could try to use gitk and git-gui | 09:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | feckin repo works with manifests - XML shite I seem to have to write by hand :-S | 09:47 |
| freemangordon | WTF? | 09:47 |
| * freemangordon gets depressed everytime he sees .manifest | 09:48 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a manifest describes a forest, or even a set of forests | 09:48 |
| freemangordon | sure, sure, don't tell me about it :D | 09:48 |
| freemangordon | WTF, stupid leafchat cannot search? | 09:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway the method is: set up git (all the git -url foo.insteadof bar abomination, as well as other stuf like email, name etc), then do repo init -b branch -u label | 09:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which is fetching the manifest for that label and branch, and that manifest then might install 3 dozen forests via git | 09:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually it does when you do repo sync | 09:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which does dozens of git checkout or whatever the right git command | 09:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | git pull ? | 09:53 |
| freemangordon | could be git clone, fetch, cherry-pick | 09:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not even `repo help -all` works unless you have done repo init | 09:54 |
| freemangordon | and several others I am not aware of | 09:54 |
| freemangordon | hmm, where is Pali | 09:54 |
| Pali | here, sleeping... | 09:55 |
| freemangordon | morning :) | 09:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, where is Pali? I was about to tell him booston never will be obsolete unless hald-addon-bme-fake will do all the nice warning and info notifications | 09:55 |
| freemangordon | Pali: either add me as a developer here: https://gitorious.org/rx51-bme-replacement or pull hald-addon-bme and libbmeipc from my repo, ok? | 09:56 |
| Pali | I do not know how to add developer for project... | 09:56 |
| Pali | I will pull both repos to rx51-bme | 09:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: I hope your hald-addon-bme / libbme'ipc' is using kernel events? | 09:58 |
| freemangordon | hmm, maybe create a new team and change the ownership, gitorious is fubar | 09:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: I hope bq24150.ko is sending kernel events? | 09:58 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: right now it uses nothing, so it will use whatever we write there :D | 09:59 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, I do not know now | 09:59 |
| Pali | it use power_supply interface | 09:59 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: libbmeipc don;t need any events | 09:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: how is it to know about state changes in battery management? poll sysfs power_supply interface? | 10:00 |
| Pali | freemangordon, one bme (n9) dev will ask how to calculate temperature from ADCIN0 (twl adc) | 10:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: \o/ | 10:00 |
| freemangordon | it just needs to read the temp once called, i.e. open, read, close (/dev/twladc) | 10:00 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, value but value depends on some data from CAL | 10:01 |
| Pali | so it will not be easy forumla | 10:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | never expected that | 10:01 |
| Pali | freemangordon, I mean how to convert raw value from adcin0 to temp | 10:01 |
| freemangordon | I know | 10:01 |
| freemangordon | we have FOSS libcal replacement iirc. | 10:02 |
| freemangordon | hmm Pali, it was you to write it? | 10:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | something that can access CAL at least, yeah | 10:02 |
| Pali | calvaria and libopencal | 10:02 |
| freemangordon | well, libcal interface is simple | 10:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 10:03 |
| Pali | but when I tested libopencal it crashed | 10:03 |
| Pali | calvaria is only parser | 10:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eew | 10:03 |
| freemangordon | libcal should be easy to RE | 10:03 |
| Pali | libopen cal can read and write to CAL but it is clone of diablo libcal | 10:03 |
| Pali | freemangordon, in SDK is i386 version of libcal | 10:03 |
| Pali | so this version can be disassembled | 10:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I bet little has changed in CAL struct for fremantle | 10:04 |
| freemangordon | Pali: i doubt it is the same as armel, but could help a lot | 10:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: wait wait wait | 10:04 |
| freemangordon | at least for interface definitions | 10:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: don't you think the x86 is a fake stub? | 10:04 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 10:05 |
| Pali | I think no | 10:05 |
| Pali | when I looked at it there was all functions exported | 10:05 |
| freemangordon | hmm, where it stores the data then? | 10:05 |
| Pali | with mtd code | 10:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, they could fake mtd, yep | 10:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and use a proper libcal_x86 on top of that | 10:05 |
| freemangordon | anyway i gtg, bbl guys | 10:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | same here | 10:06 |
| Pali | done, https://gitorious.org/rx51-bme-replacement | 10:09 |
| Pali | other question, do we need to use autotools? | 10:10 |
| Pali | ok i386 version of libcal is trying to open /dev/mtd1 :D | 10:14 |
| Pali | so seems that this is same version as for armel | 10:14 |
| Pali | Only NAND devices supported | 10:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: nice :-D | 10:36 |
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| jonwil | Time to start working on collecting all the known information on the N900 dbus calls | 11:04 |
| Pali | somebody write wl1251-cal and <bluetooth>-cal programs | 11:11 |
| jonwil | I documented what wl1251-cal does a while back IIRC | 11:11 |
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| Pali | jonwil, link? | 11:12 |
| jonwil | I cant remember where I put it | 11:12 |
| jonwil | either the mailing list or the wiki | 11:12 |
| jonwil | why is having one useful anyway? | 11:12 |
| Pali | wl1251-cal is needed for setting wifi chip | 11:12 |
| Pali | (region lock, mac address, ...) | 11:13 |
| jonwil | yes but what is wrong with the current wl1251-cal other than that its closed? | 11:13 |
| Pali | regulation region lock | 11:13 |
| Pali | using non standard netlink kernel interface | 11:14 |
| Pali | so using upstream wl1251 driver is not possible | 11:14 |
| jonwil | yeah it would be good to replace it | 11:14 |
| Pali | for changing mac address has linux interface | 11:14 |
| Pali | and for region regulation is here cfg80211 and nl80211 interface | 11:15 |
| jonwil | it shouldn't be that hard if someone with knowledge of kernel WiFi stuff wants to take a look at the notes I made | 11:15 |
| jonwil | http://wiki.maemo.org/Wl1251-cal | 11:15 |
| jonwil | Found the info | 11:15 |
| jonwil | thats all the info I found out in wl12510-cal | 11:16 |
| Pali | ok | 11:17 |
| Pali | the best way would be to create correct NVS data from cal and store it to /lib/firmware | 11:17 |
| Pali | on each n900 | 11:17 |
| Pali | there can be script which do it when n900 is first time started (or if that correct nvs data is not extracted) | 11:18 |
| Pali | I think that NVS data can contains mac address too | 11:18 |
| jonwil | The NVS data seems to change based on what the current country code is | 11:18 |
| jonwil | i.e. the MNC if any | 11:18 |
| Pali | yes | 11:18 |
| jonwil | MAC address comes from cal also | 11:19 |
| Pali | but it is same as if you change country with your wifi laptop | 11:19 |
| jonwil | not part of NVS data | 11:19 |
| Pali | so this data can be static | 11:19 |
| Pali | I mean that wl1251 kernel driver can read mac address from nvs data too | 11:19 |
| jonwil | If you roam to another country, you will get a different MCC returned by get_registration_status | 11:20 |
| Pali | so we can create script which convert wifi data from CAL to nvs firmware file | 11:20 |
| Pali | jonwil, but this is same as with your laptop if you road from EU to USA | 11:20 |
| jonwil | true | 11:20 |
| Pali | nothing is changed automatically | 11:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: while we're talking about it, how would I switch my restricted WLAN chan range on N900 to use full range? | 11:20 |
| jonwil | as for bluetooth, there is a script in /etc/event.replace.d called bluetooth-sysinfo | 11:21 |
| Pali | Doc, kernel cfg80211 interface is for that | 11:21 |
| jonwil | which handles the bluetooth mac address | 11:21 |
| Pali | you need to have wifi driver which use cfg80211 interface | 11:21 |
| jonwil | all the script does is get the data from cal via sysinfo-tool | 11:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's how it *should* be. i'm taling about how it's now | 11:21 |
| Pali | and then use standard wifi program iw | 11:21 |
| jonwil | and send that to /sys/devices/platform/hci_h4p/bdaddr | 11:22 |
| Pali | I do not remember param, use iw --help | 11:22 |
| Pali | jonwil, that sysfs file is again non standard interface | 11:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | one of my friggin devices (t900) refuses to work on chan13 | 11:23 |
| Pali | linux kernel can change mac address from userspace in other way | 11:23 |
| jonwil | well whatever way exists to change the bluetooth mac address, we can just make /etc/event.replace.d/bluetooth-sysinfo use that | 11:23 |
| jonwil | i.e. the tool that reads the value from CAL (sysinfo-tool) is fine | 11:23 |
| Pali | ok | 11:24 |
| Pali | I mean that we can 1) rewrite *-cal programs to use normal interfaces or 2) create proper nvs data for kernel drivers (which will contains all data from CAL) | 11:24 |
| Pali | and *-cal programs will not be needed | 11:25 |
| jonwil | yeah I think the best answer is to create a clone of wl1251-cal that uses official interfaces | 11:25 |
| Pali | http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/wl12xx/calibrator | 11:26 |
| jonwil | then someone can run it and compare the results from the stock closed tool and the open tool to make sure you get the right results | 11:26 |
| Pali | this should be used ^^^^ | 11:26 |
| jonwil | yes it should be | 11:26 |
| Pali | it really also store mac address to NVS firmware file | 11:28 |
| Pali | so after creating proper firmware files (and using standard wl1251 driver) wl1251-cal can be deleted... | 11:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NVS == non volatile storage? | 11:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | then we should ponder an option to map NVS to CAL, as it basically is same thing | 11:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so user could decide whether to use a file he can mess around with for NVS, or whether NVS gets generated(? during sysinit) from CAL | 11:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | l8r o/ | 11:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wtf? my Iron900 doesn't auto-switch to GPRS anymore when IronLegend leave 2!*" range | 11:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | WLAN range | 11:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but this time it didn't hang on 2!*" thinking it's still connected | 12:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | WLAN* ffs | 12:01 |
| jonwil | Its interesting to see how many .h files in the SDK say "dont use this" or "this is obsolete" or whatever and yet contain some of the most interesting info :) | 12:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | indeed | 12:21 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 idiot took wrong subway train :-S | 12:21 | |
| jonwil | so far I found documentation for com.nokia.calendar, com.nokia.worldclock, com.nokia.csd.gprs.*, com.nokia.icd2, com.nokia.iphbd, com.nokia.clockd, com.nokia.phone.net and com.nokia.wappush | 12:26 |
| jonwil | what I did was to download all the source packages from the sdk-free repo, then all the closed binaries from the nokia-binaries repo then all the closed binaries that I didn't already download from the main phone repo | 12:28 |
| jonwil | So far the info I found comes from the /usr/share/doc and /usr/include locations for the closed bits | 12:28 |
| jonwil | Now I need to go through all the source code looking for any dbus stuff to add to my stuff-to-put-onto-the-wiki list | 12:28 |
| jonwil | then from there I can grab anything from the maemo API documentation and maemo wiki along with anything I previously posted (forums, mailing list etc) | 12:29 |
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| kerio | freemangordon: can i install cssu-thumb while keeping my beloved kp51? | 14:23 |
| freemangordon | I think so | 14:23 |
| freemangordon | hmm, not yet | 14:23 |
| freemangordon | kerio: ^^^ | 14:24 |
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| kerio | :( | 14:26 |
| kerio | not even by making a fake package that provides kernel-cssu? :D | 14:26 |
| freemangordon | kerio: today or tomorrow i will push a new update, with kernel-cssu == KP51 | 14:32 |
| freemangordon | and it will not install a new kernel if you already have kp51 | 14:32 |
| kerio | k | 14:33 |
| kerio | is it kp51 in kernel-cssu package or does the name change? | 14:34 |
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| freemangordon | it is kp51, the name is kernel-cssu | 15:05 |
| kerio | i see | 15:08 |
| kerio | so... the modules will still be installed in /lib/modules/2.6.28-power51r1? | 15:14 |
| kerio | or something | 15:14 |
| kerio | /lib/modules/2.6.28.10-power51 | 15:15 |
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| kerio | freemangordon: right? | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | if the kernel is power51 then the modules shall be there | 15:27 |
| freemangordon | if the kernel is kernel-cssu, then no | 15:28 |
| freemangordon | so the modules are in /lib/modules/kernel-cssu3 | 15:29 |
| freemangordon | and compat drivers in /opt/lib/modules/kernel-cssu3 | 15:29 |
| kerio | ... | 15:31 |
| kerio | "kernel-cssu3" is not a version | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: I'm unhappy with the kernel naming | 15:31 |
| kerio | freemangordon: what's the output of uname -r? | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it might suggest to uneducated users that it's a core CSSU component | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: could you call it cssu-thumb or cssu-extras please? | 15:33 |
| kerio | or kernel-thumb | 15:33 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: no, as the final goal is cssu, that is first, and it is available only in cssu-thumb repo | 15:33 |
| freemangordon | you can install it through normal repos | 15:34 |
| freemangordon | *can't | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | eventually we *might* need to come up with a concurrent incompatible cssu-kernel | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | then we're busted pretty much | 15:34 |
| freemangordon | incompatible? | 15:35 |
| freemangordon | kerio: 2.6.28.10-cssu3 | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | as in 'hotfix for galaxy wide ipv4 exploit included" | 15:35 |
| kerio | freemangordon: i see | 15:36 |
| kerio | so the modules are in /lib/modules/2.6.28.10-cssu3 | 15:36 |
| * kerio ponders about making symlinks so he can restore kp51 backupmenu backups | 15:36 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: see kerio's comment! chose wisely! | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | kernel naming is no pony baby name picking | 15:38 |
| kerio | i still don't get what's wrong with temporarily using kernel-power as the default -thumb kernel | 15:39 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: it has been that way for the last 2 months | 15:39 |
| kerio | until the kernel situation is fixed | 15:39 |
| kerio | freemangordon: hell, why isn't it just kernel-linux? | 15:39 |
| freemangordon | kerio: and what is the situation? | 15:39 |
| kerio | the situation is you making a thumb-capable -omap1 kernel | 15:39 |
| kerio | that makes doc happy | 15:40 |
| kerio | (by -omap1 i mean abi-compatible with the nokia -omap1) | 15:40 |
| freemangordon | if the situation is that you can't wait a couple of days, it is your problem, not mine | 15:40 |
| kerio | i mean, let's face it, -cssu3 is distinctly powerish | 15:40 |
| kerio | it does stuff! | 15:40 |
| kerio | it's not just for thumb | 15:40 |
| freemangordon | so? | 15:40 |
| freemangordon | i fail to see the problem | 15:41 |
| kerio | it's not a problem for me, but the standard kernel is installed in the "kernel" package | 15:41 |
| kerio | if it's the default kernel, it should go there | 15:42 |
| freemangordon | well, a replaces: does the same thing | 15:42 |
| freemangordon | but I still fail to see the point | 15:42 |
| kerio | a replaces: uninstalls the previous package | 15:42 |
| freemangordon | which does only "kernel" in our case, so no difference | 15:43 |
| kerio | my point is that this *has* to be installed for everything to work, once you install the thumb packages | 15:43 |
| freemangordon | yep | 15:43 |
| freemangordon | you know WIP is? | 15:43 |
| freemangordon | *what WIP | 15:43 |
| kerio | yes i do | 15:43 |
| freemangordon | ~WIP | 15:43 |
| infobot | rumour has it, wip is "Work In Progress" | 15:43 |
| kerio | thanks infobot | 15:43 |
| infobot | kerio: no worries | 15:43 |
| kerio | awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww :3 | 15:43 |
| kerio | freemangordon: i still don't get what your plans are for kernel-cssu | 15:44 |
| freemangordon | "my" plans are someday there to be a kernel in CSSU replacing omap1 | 15:45 |
| kerio | or upgrading omap1 | 15:46 |
| kerio | by the way, why are we still on 2.6.28? | 15:50 |
| _shadowx | yep. | 15:52 |
| _shadowx | btw where can I find the kernel sources? (or patches) | 15:53 |
| kerio | _shadowx: there's the source package i think | 15:54 |
| kerio | kernel-source and kernel-power-source | 15:55 |
| kerio | depending on which one you want | 15:55 |
| _shadowx | power-source ofc :P | 15:55 |
| _shadowx | 10x kerio. | 15:55 |
| _shadowx | btw is there big difference between the nokia and kp source ? or mainly configuration differences? | 15:56 |
| kerio | by the way, are the incremental apt updates something in apt 0.7? | 16:21 |
| kerio | freemangordon: hm, is busybox-power installed earlier in the PATH or does it just overwrite the builtin busybox? | 16:29 |
| kerio | oooh, if i don't dist-upgrade i can just upgrade the single packages | 16:39 |
| kerio | freemangordon: holy shit i have only 10MB of used swap | 16:48 |
| kerio | i love you | 16:48 |
| kerio | http://i.imgur.com/obnuu.jpg | 16:59 |
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| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, for enabling fully channel range in restricted device right now, you need to call iw reg set JP | 18:01 |
| Estel_ | or iw set reg JP | 18:02 |
| Estel_ | whatever ;) | 18:02 |
| Estel_ | need iw-tools, obviously | 18:02 |
| Estel_ | unfortunately, you need to call it after every enabling of stock wifi stack | 18:02 |
| Estel_ | stock stick stack | 18:02 |
| kerio | where is the default stored? | 18:03 |
| Estel_ | in past, I've modified every script that enables wifi (so, enabled it first time via mscript in event.d, then modified adv.-interface-switcher scripts, aircrack related scripts that loadfs stock, etc) | 18:03 |
| Estel_ | now, advanced-interface-switcher have script files for various conditions (like wlan up), so it can be put there and not overwritten after every update | 18:04 |
| Estel_ | still need to modify other programs, though | 18:04 |
| Estel_ | kerio, I don't remember, honestly ;) | 18:04 |
| Estel_ | but it's not simple fiole edit | 18:04 |
| Estel_ | that's why You need iw tools | 18:04 |
| kerio | cal? | 18:05 |
| Estel_ | You tell me ;) | 18:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | yep CAL | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | at least that's root | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | other layers on top may override | 18:19 |
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| kerio | i want more thumb binaries! :c | 20:52 |
| Raimu | Compile them! | 21:13 |
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| freemangordon | arcean: do you know where alarm sounds are stored on harmattan? | 23:58 |
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