IRC log of #maemo-ssu for Saturday, 2012-07-21

lufShit. I need consultation.00:20
luffreemangordon, merlin1991 ?00:20
lufSomeone else?00:20
lufI imagine all 3 mistakes. I'm not sure if it's only problem of my HF so I don't know how to fix it.00:21
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merlin1991luf: pong00:37
lufmerlin1991: The A suffix for number is when the contact has X-SKYPE defined.00:39
lufIt seems to me like annoying bug in my HF :(00:39
luf1) Suppress X-SKYPE on eds side isn't good idea00:40
luf2) Suppress X-SKYPE in obex is to scan whole VCARD string00:41
luf3) Ignore it means I can't use skype contacts :(00:41
lufOf course I'll try to contact HF manufacturer but I don't expect they fix it :(00:42
lufI see no configuration possibility to enable/disable SKYPE supress on demand.00:42
lufIt seems only 2 is option for me.00:46
merlin1991luf: atm I'm quite pissed so I'll think over it tomorrow? :D00:53
lufmerlin1991: ok. BTW what about curl?01:05
merlin1991didn't have the chance today, but tomorrow I should be able todo everything01:06
lufmerlin1991: I hope you mean today (Saturday) not tomorron (Sunday) :D01:12
merlin1991yeah :D01:14
merlin1991time is relative ;)01:14
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lufOk. So the status before sleep ...04:37
lufHF is working perfectly without any bug/mistake ...04:37
luf... but Calendar application is sometimes failing with internal error.04:38
luf:D so I have to find the bug ...04:39
lufand I have to keep some work for morning ... or evening.04:45
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DocScrutinizer05~wtf HF10:54
infobotGee...  I don't know what HF means...10:54
DocScrutinizer05~wtf PBAP10:55
infobotGee...  I don't know what PBAP means...10:55
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: what's the policy on adding functionality to cssu?11:21
DocScrutinizer05be conservative11:21
DocScrutinizer05doublecheck if you need cssu for that11:21
DocScrutinizer05don't break things11:22
DocScrutinizer05IOW stay compatible11:22
DocScrutinizer05yeah, spank me for supporting it11:22
kerio...i'd rather not11:23
kerioso if it requires changing system stuff, it's kinda fine?11:25
DocScrutinizer05changing glibc so you get auto-capitAls in every line dicipline would meet the "requires changing system stuff" precondition but still is a silly idea11:30
DocScrutinizer05fixing any auto-completion bug in HIM otoh was for sure sth we'd want to get into cssu11:34
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KiborgI have a serious problem with N900, it is in contioious restart loop.12:35
KiborgI am using CSSU stabile.12:35
jon_yare you using uboot?12:36
KiborgYes pr 1.312:36
jon_ywith uboot?12:37
KiborgI have no idea what uboot is12:37
jon_yok, do you know how to flash your kernel?12:37
jon_ytry flashing the stock kernel for 1.312:38
jon_yif it works, boot loader problem12:38
jon_yyou can try flashing the -fb version for a boot up text console, may give you more info if you can read fast enough12:38
jon_yother than that, I'm not really sure what the problem is12:39
jon_yflashing the entire nokia 1.3 Fiasco will wipe everything out, but should also fix your problems12:39
KiborgFirst I need to figure out how to get the data out12:41
KiborgContacts and stuff.12:41
lufDocScrutinizer05: HF - handsfree; PBAP - bluetooth profile used for getting data (addressbooks and call list history) from device (mainly phones) to clever HF.12:48
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Kiborgis there a simple wiki on how to flash n900 on stock os?13:49
lufYes. It is. But I'm sorry I don't remember.13:53
lufI'll try to take a look.13:53
freemangordonluf: we are wating merlin1991 to wake up and push your libcurl patches on gitorious?13:54
KiborgI don't think I can save data...13:54
KiborgSystem restarts after 3 min13:55
luf3 minutes is enough or not?13:55
Kiborgdoubt it.13:55
Kiborgsometimes it is only a minute13:55
Kiborgit is crazy13:55
lufBTW 3 minutes after power up or after boot is complete?13:55
Kiborg3 min for the whole process13:56
Kiborgit is constantly rebooting13:56
lufHave you installed syslog? To try to see why it's rebooting.13:57
lufKiborg: Did you change something close before this boot loop occured?13:59
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KiborgThis is the strange thing... I am pretty certain I didn't. The only thing I did on that day was download a youtube clip using cuteTube-qml. But I have that installed probably for at least a year...14:09
keriois the battery charged?14:09
KiborgIt is on the charger.14:11
lufI have problem with booting on charger ...14:12
lufCan you remove it from charger for a while?14:12
KiborgStill crashes...14:16
lufBTW are you sure the charger is working well?14:16
lufCan you try to charge it using USB cabel from computer/notebook?14:16
KiborgIt is not plugged in14:16
Kiborgi was charging it using my computer...14:17
lufSo no more idea here :(14:18
lufLet's try to flash.14:19
KiborgI am worried that it chrashes too fast to reflash... but I will try.14:20
Kiborgis there a reset command?14:23
KiborgI know there is one in settings14:23
KiborgIt worked the last time for few of hours.14:23
KiborgAre there any other?14:24
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lufFlashing is running another way.14:26
lufIf it crash during flash you have HW problem (battery or something else).14:27
lufI know nothing about reset command.14:27
lufI bricked two times my phone and have to reflash. But I know what's wrong and my N900 didn't boot to PIN request.14:28
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DocScrutinizer05Kiborg: anyway, you should ask in #maemo14:29
lufhelp channel14:33
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freemangordonzeq: what option/variable/whatever should be added do debian/rules, so libqtm library path to be linked into executable?17:01
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DocScrutinizer05  ctrl-f ke-recv17:56
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dreamerfreemangordon: ping18:26
dreamerso, I have an ext2 formatted sd-card that doesn't get automounted .. what's up with that? :P (someone sent me here, it's ok)18:27
freemangordondo you have lstest CSSU-T?18:30
freemangordondreamer: ^^^18:30
dreamerafaik I have 21.2011.38-1Smaemo318:31
freemangordonyou need testing for extN automounting iirc18:31
freemangordonke-recv is still not in stable18:31
dreamerhmmm ok18:32
dreamershould I otherwise follow this?
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: updated ke-recv is still not in stable, ain't?18:32
freemangordondreamer: NFC18:32
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: that's been my question basically18:33
freemangordoniirc it is not, but not 100% sure18:33
freemangordonmerlin1991: ^^^ ?18:33
dreamersure, just blame it on the 'other guy' :P18:33
DocScrutinizer05dreamer: you *could* switch to Testing18:33
dreamerscary stuff ..18:35
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: could we eventually get the ke-recv into S?18:35
DocScrutinizer05dreamer: actually T isn't that scary right now18:36
DocScrutinizer054.1 should be almost as stable as S318:36
DocScrutinizer05it has one or two minor quirks18:36
DocScrutinizer05but after all it's a x.1 version, means there are some fixes but no new stuff, so it's quite good stability18:38
DocScrutinizer05one known issue is with operator widget: you can't install custom operator name widget from extras repo anymore18:39
dreamerok, don't know what that is even ..18:42
dreamerdo I have to switch the entire OS to testing then? how does that even work? :P18:42
DocScrutinizer05errm, somebody said it's sufficient to switch catalog from Stable to Testing, then do an upgrade?18:47
DocScrutinizer05pali or merlin1991 would know18:47
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DocScrutinizer05 and other threads related to CSSU should have info18:49
dreamerok, have to go out for groceries. will try later :)18:49
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kerioi did that19:21
keriochanging the repo and then tapping "upgrade" in HAM worked for me19:21
DocScrutinizer05kerio: many thanks :-)19:31
DocScrutinizer05Originally Posted by merlin199119:31
DocScrutinizer05Every friday @ UTC 17:00 I will try to be around #maemo-ssu on to go over the current packages in testing with everyone who is around to voice his opinion.19:31
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freemangordonzeq: i've cloned fennec from github and build it, but it is sloow, any ckue why?20:18
freemangordonoops, wrong channel20:19
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merlin1991okay time to answer you all :D22:40
merlin1991DocScrutinizer, freemangordon, dreamer, luf22:41
DocScrutinizer05hey ;-D22:41
merlin1991so yes it is sufficient to change the cataloge to T and hit update in ham to go from s to t22:41
merlin1991friday meetings went stale when there was nothing to talk about for weeks in a row22:41
merlin1991(and nobody ever around :D)22:41
DocScrutinizer05just thought it's quite funny to read old threads on tmo22:42
merlin1991and ke-recv in stable is possible when t4.1 has had it's cooldown phase22:42
DocScrutinizer05\o/ again22:42
freemangordonmerlin1991: why 4.1?22:43
merlin1991freemangordon: gnome-vfs wasn't "stable" yet22:43
freemangordonker-recv was in T 4.0 for 2 months or so22:43
merlin1991it's manily a policy thing :D22:43
merlin1991and it's required by ke-recv22:43
freemangordonaah, ok22:43
DocScrutinizer05so let's slowly and relaxed start a list of stuff to go into S4  ?22:43
freemangordonbut lets reduce the quarantine to 1-2 weeks22:43
dreamermerlin1991: ok, will try it in a bit :)22:44
freemangordonmerlin1991: what has happened with luf's patches?22:44
merlin1991I'm on them atm22:44
freemangordonlibcurl3 that is22:44
freemangordongreat, you'da man22:44
merlin1991was forced not to use my pc all day long thanks to the rain in vienna22:44
DocScrutinizer05I'm using T4.1 since 2 days now ;-P22:44
freemangordonyour PC is not waterproof?22:45
merlin1991not when I carry it around in heavy rain :D22:45
merlin1991it has fans and stuff where the water can come in ;)22:45
DocScrutinizer05get a decent laptop!!!22:45
DocScrutinizer05CF-29 FTW ;-P22:45
freemangordonwell, I don't think it is a good idea to exposure any electronics to water, no matter if it is CF-29.22:46
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: I have a "decent" laptop, but the sb on there is I'll say tainted and not useable for cssu stuff and there is no more space for yet another target22:46
freemangordonexcluding military devices of course22:46
merlin1991freemangordon: trust me military devices which are "waterproof" are not that waterproof aswell :D22:47
merlin1991at least in the austrian army xD22:47
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: (space) :nod:22:48
_ade_freemangordon: can I bring up the replacement clock in CSSU follow up process?22:49
merlin1991_ade_: it is going to get there, no worries :)22:50
DocScrutinizer05a tad over the top22:51
_ade_merlin1991: freemangordon wanted to discuss it with you, but you where in Greece back then AFAIK...22:51
merlin1991that must have been last week then22:51
DocScrutinizer05somewhere around 1:00 I'd stop doing that to mine22:52
merlin1991I dunno, even regular laptop displays are quite waterproof22:52
merlin1991hm how do I get alsa to list me all current devices?22:53
_ade_merlin1991: okay, I am going to hear for you then things are ready for futher CSSU integration? Then I won't bother you again with that question...22:54
lufmerlin1991: I made decisions about my questions. So it's not necessary to answer.22:54
freemangordon_ade_: what were that font changes lately? are we not using theme fonts?22:55
lufAs I wrote on TMO I have to clean up the code and release it.22:55
merlin1991_ade_: I'll come back to you when the ham changes are finished, but don't stop improving the ui in the meantime ;)22:55
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: aplay -L22:55
DocScrutinizer05or -l22:55
lufThe question is if CSSU will accept new obexd and patched evolution-data-server ;)22:55
merlin1991I bet wer're pretty eager to get them :D22:55
_ade_freemangordon: we are using theme fonts. I just messed up a change and fix it again22:56
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: (alsa) you have to patch some stuff in alsa config to get them *all*22:57
DocScrutinizer05lemme dig it up for you22:57
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: I've found what I needed in the supplied list22:57
DocScrutinizer05ok then22:57
merlin1991turns out I even have a nvidia sound "device" even if no hdmi cable is connected22:57
merlin1991thus my .asoundrc to get sound per default on my usb headphones didn't work anymore22:58
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: anyway here you are (you got me started on it)22:59
DocScrutinizer05# show all name hints also for definitions without hint {} section22:59
DocScrutinizer05defaults.namehint.showall on22:59
merlin1991aplay -L lists quite a lot of stuff22:59
merlin1991it lists my usb headset as 7.1 device oO23:00
merlin1991also as 5.1, 5.0, 4.1 and 4.023:01
DocScrutinizer05cat dev/zero|aplay -vv -D <yourdevice>23:02
DocScrutinizer05aplay -vv -D <yourdevice> /dev/zero23:03
DocScrutinizer05will probably show the stack eventually routing 5.1 to 2.023:05
merlin1991nope claims sample format not avaiable :D23:05
DocScrutinizer05aplay -l ?23:06
DocScrutinizer05actually the devices have no format it seems23:07
DocScrutinizer05    HDA Intel, CONEXANT Analog23:07
DocScrutinizer05    5.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Rear and Subwoofer speakers23:07
DocScrutinizer05is absolutely normal - for the 5.1 plugin23:08
merlin1991    Logitech USB Headset, USB Audio23:08
merlin1991    7.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Side, Rear and Woofer speakers23:08
DocScrutinizer05it just grabs any hw card it finds and converts it to 5.123:08
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DocScrutinizer05surround71:CARD=Headset,DEV=0  actually tells it all23:09
merlin1991if you know alsa ;)23:09
DocScrutinizer05plugin surround71 uses CARD=headset, device=0 there23:10
DocScrutinizer05it doesn't tell what CARD=headset really does23:10
DocScrutinizer05it tells what the plugin does23:10
merlin1991aplay -l lists 4 nvidia devices (card HDMI device 3, 7, 8 and 9)23:11
merlin1991I mean I'd understand 1, but 4?23:11
DocScrutinizer05I'd understand 1,2,3,423:12
DocScrutinizer05but not 3,7,8,923:12
merlin1991yeah but why even have 4 hdmi devices in total? the friggin thing has only 1 port23:12
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merlin1991btw about what is to go into stable, changes in testing compared to stable have only been on the ke-recv front23:15
merlin1991+ one or two library updates from cve fixes23:15
DocScrutinizer05hw mux23:15
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DocScrutinizer05 version-string flavour?23:16
DocScrutinizer05aaah that always been fixed in stable I think23:17
merlin1991jsut went over the changelog, it's ke-recv + all its dependencies (like dosfstools, gnome-vfs, libhildonfm, ...), modest, tracker and all the cve libraries23:18
merlin1991hm interesting23:19
merlin1991from the libcurl package "curl" ususally isn't compiled23:19
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: modest? TRACKER?23:20
DocScrutinizer05hell, don't we finally want those in S?23:21
merlin1991modest had the "bug" where it synced delteted emails with the server23:21
merlin1991tracker we added  the patches from javispedro23:21
DocScrutinizer05all thumbs up for tracker fix23:21
DocScrutinizer05hail javispedro!23:22
DocScrutinizer05seems no T system exploded from tracker with fixes so far? ;-D23:22
merlin1991nope as far as I can tell none did :D23:22
merlin1991only that extra-decoders support needed to be reinstalled on a few23:23
merlin1991the additional mimetypes somehow got lost23:23
merlin1991I still have to find out why that happened23:23
DocScrutinizer05autoremove? like usual?23:23
merlin1991you could still playback from the file manager23:23
merlin1991and if you didn't purge the tracker db old entries still worked23:24
merlin1991only anything new didn't get indexed anymore23:24
DocScrutinizer05heh, that might explain some weird stuff with my flac Sisters of mercy records23:24
merlin1991reinstalling the flac support fixed it for most people afaik23:25
merlin1991I think the package name is actually ogg-support23:25
* merlin1991 ponders wheter to build curl or not23:25
DocScrutinizer05what would a messed up apt-cache policy look alike?23:26
merlin1991luf: is there anything you know that uses curl?23:26
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merlin1991don't have any n900 with that installed nearby23:26
merlin1991(I'm currently not in vienna)23:26
lufsyncevolution at lease23:26
DocScrutinizer05gstreamer0.10-flac - Flac gst plugin from the good set ogg-support - Ogg/Vorbis/Flac support for n900 libflac8 - Free Lossless Audio Codec - runtime C library libflac-dev - Free Lossless Audio Codec - C development library decoders-support - Support for additional video and audio decoders in the Media Player23:27
merlin1991decoders-support is just a mp for several codecs23:27
merlin1991gstreamer and the libflac should still be fine23:28
merlin1991you'll need to reinstall ogg-support since it adds the mimetypes to tracker in the postinst23:28
DocScrutinizer05  Installed: (none)23:28
DocScrutinizer05  Installed: 1.1.123:29
lufsome facebook staff also using curl and rdepends on libcurl3 returns a lot of packages.23:29
DocScrutinizer05  Installed: (none)23:29
merlin1991luf: I meant the actual curl package with the binary, not the libs23:29
DocScrutinizer05  Installed: 0.423:29
* DocScrutinizer05 grumbles, frowns, fires apt-get install23:30
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: ogg-support is enough23:30
merlin1991it uses gstreamer-av since some version as decode backend23:30
lufmerlin1991: curl is new package. It was never exist in maemo 5.23:31
freemangordonmerlin1991: could we backup tracker db before update?23:31
* DocScrutinizer05 makes mental note to keep an eye on flac audio23:31
merlin1991freemangordon: the db i backed up anyway23:32
DocScrutinizer05do WUT?23:32
merlin1991it somewhere in /home/user/.something23:32
DocScrutinizer05backed up by whom?23:32
merlin1991the problem is the mapping of mimetypes / extractors23:32
freemangordonwell, that mapping, not tracker db23:33
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: it's backed up in the sense that it is a data file in the user area and not part of the package23:33
* DocScrutinizer05 goes kicking trackerd a bit, for fun23:33
DocScrutinizer05maybe I should shoot it, then do a BBQ with it?23:34
merlin1991freemangordon: that was my thought, we could possibly depend on a specific version of backuptrackermimedb in pre-depends of our tracker package23:34
merlin1991but first I/someone else has to find out what really is lost when we do the tracker update23:34
DocScrutinizer05and how23:35
DocScrutinizer05aka why23:35
freemangordonmaybe javispedro could help on that one23:35
* DocScrutinizer05 heads out to get another drink on robbiethe1st's health23:36
DocScrutinizer05if only I could cheer him up to include mtd_debug based kernel backup23:36
DocScrutinizer05aiui he's reluctant to test since he got no/broken N900 so couldn't test23:37
freemangordonunfortunately he is not online (javispedro i mean)23:37
DocScrutinizer05if our council was alert, they already had sent him a spare device ;-D23:38
DocScrutinizer05~seen javispedro23:39
infobotjavispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/contributor/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5d 2h 2m 56s ago, saying: 'meh'.23:39
DocScrutinizer05~seen robbiethe1st23:39
infobotrobbiethe1st <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 19h 43m 23s ago, saying: 'Likely interference from another phone nearby checking in'.23:39
merlin1991luf: I've dl the tar and the patch from sources, is the git in the tar already complete or do I need to apply the patch aswell?23:41
DocScrutinizer05repo anybody (google crap)23:43
* DocScrutinizer05 coughs and pints at
DocScrutinizer05though a pint or two would be it now23:44
merlin1991uh oh repo sounds nasty23:45
lufThe tar with git is complete. The diff is already included (as last commit).23:45
DocScrutinizer05the tricky stuff starts at ""repo init -u git://""23:46
merlin1991looks like a thin wrapper over git clone $someurl23:47
DocScrutinizer05since there are dozens or rather 1000s of manifests, and no clue which to use for which project23:47
DocScrutinizer05not even a clue how to check which manifests exist at all23:48
DocScrutinizer05""platform"" in that patch is rather $random23:48
DocScrutinizer05and of course at office we got other URLs and thus other git domains(?)23:49
merlin1991hehe I bet somewhere in there is a project that uses git submodules to add yet another layer of complexity :D23:50
merlin1991luf: which debhelper did you use to compile?23:50
DocScrutinizer05== bunches of trees23:50
DocScrutinizer05a manifest describes a forest23:51
lufmerlin1991: I'm using Maemo SDK in virtual.23:51
merlin1991basically a manifest does what git submodules are meant to achieve23:51
lufmerlin1991: dpkg -l say: 7.0.15-maemo223:51
merlin1991so that's why23:52
merlin1991I failed due to no dh_prep23:52
merlin1991you have debhelper from extras-devel it seems23:52
merlin1991in other words debhelper 7 and not 523:53
lufI understand. So I have to fix it.23:53
lufBut not today :(23:53
merlin1991I might be able todo that myself :)23:53
lufOk. Thanks.23:54
lufI'm working on cleaning up the obexd so it'll be usable and I'll try to send some patches to the upstream.23:54
lufAnd I have to go to bed in short time as I have to wake up tomorrow early.23:55
merlin1991hm was it -I.git or -i.git23:58
merlin1991I never know23:58
kerioit's because git has a crappy interface23:58
merlin1991kerio: that is about dpkg-buildpackage ;)23:59
keriomy point still stands!23:59

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