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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: that' noncence, either your executables run against libs compiled with new compiler (and vice versa) or not. missing symbols discovered after an year or so mean nothing. If you can run 99.9 percent of the SW without problem, then everything is OK. | 02:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, that's your take on product management | 02:37 |
| freemangordon | well, yeah , that is my take :) | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I had that 3 times in my professional carreer when some toolchain update fsckd up a deployed system | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I had quite a magnitude more projects where toolchain got frozen on release of product | 02:40 |
| freemangordon | I had an OS update which screwed a perfectly running system, leading to (don't ask me what), but I overcome it after a while, I know and support KISS and "if it works don't touch it" but sometimes it worths to take the risk | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | needs careful consideration and evaluation every single time | 02:43 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: sure thing | 02:43 |
| freemangordon | but most of the time my assesment is correct (NFC why) | 02:44 |
| freemangordon | and I mean my real job | 02:44 |
| freemangordon | which is realted to real cash | 02:45 |
| freemangordon | *related | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, those problems are relatively rare occurance | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but have potential to kill you for good, when you really run into a nasty one | 02:46 |
| freemangordon | :) see, I don't underestimate your expertise, but again, we are talking about a handheld device ;) | 02:46 |
| freemangordon | not some crytical server | 02:47 |
| freemangordon | *critycal | 02:47 |
| freemangordon | aaah, whatever | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, sure. Though I actually didn't when I mentioned the general practice of freezing toolchain | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cryptical? ;-P | 02:47 |
| freemangordon | for sure you're correct that changing toolchain will bring problems | 02:48 |
| freemangordon | yeah, excuse my grammar | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for this particular purpose here it's out of discussion anyway, as you *need* the fixed gccc | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I just suggested to not change defaults for no good reason | 02:49 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and mentioning toolchain freeze was just a sidenote | 02:49 |
| freemangordon | TBH I don't understand what Pali meant, seems my debian packaging skill needs lots of improvement :) | 02:51 |
| freemangordon | *need | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw defaults are decided upon by some more general considerations usually, like frequently used etc | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I don't mean "frequently used in this particular environment" | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | many just stick to some obsolete state, as nobody feels changing them is worth the trouble either | 02:53 |
| freemangordon | yeah, sure, but I don't see any othe environment but n900. It's a pity, but true :( | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | umm, I didn't completely get that part either | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | errr? no other environment where gcc is used? | 02:55 |
| freemangordon | well, I am not exactly in the mood and condition to be perfectly clear, sorry for that, it is friday night after all :) | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 02:56 |
| freemangordon | maybe it is better to continue the conversation next time ;) | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this or another conversation, a pleasure any time | 02:57 |
| freemangordon | :) | 02:57 |
| freemangordon | yah | 02:57 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 02:57 |
| freemangordon | (damn typos) | 02:58 |
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| kent_autistic | freemangordon: ping | 03:25 |
| kent_autistic | new cssu testing still hasn't landed on my HAM | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm | 03:27 |
| kent_autistic | i have pressed the update button many times already and apt-get update. still nothing | 03:28 |
| kent_autistic | DocScrutinizer05: hmmm? | 03:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just strange | 03:33 |
| kent_autistic | yep. last thing i installed is new h-d which was posted in TMO cssu testing thread | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | apt-cache policy mp-fremantle-community-pr | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mp-fremantle-community-pr: | 03:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Installed: 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo3.1 | 03:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Candidate: 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo4 | 03:40 |
| kent_autistic | holy crap | 03:42 |
| kent_autistic | Installed: (none) | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-o | 03:42 |
| kent_autistic | Candidate: 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo4 | 03:42 |
| kent_autistic | Version table: | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | installation of h-d purged it | 03:43 |
| kent_autistic | 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo4 0 | 03:43 |
| kent_autistic | oooohhhh mehn | 03:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess an apt-get install will fix things | 03:44 |
| kent_autistic | install what? | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usual disclaimers apply | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mp-fremantle-community-pr | 03:44 |
| kent_autistic | apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr? | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my uneducated guess | 03:46 |
| kent_autistic | you sure? | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not at all | 03:46 |
| kent_autistic | i think il wait for a sure advise :) | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | apt-get -s install mp-fremantle-community-pr | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you're curious | 03:47 |
| kent_autistic | i am so curious | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -s No-act. Perform ordering simulation | 03:48 |
| kent_autistic | ayt | 03:49 |
| kent_autistic | seems ok i'll bite the bullet in a few | 03:50 |
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| kent_autistic | DocScrutinizer05: install went fine, going to reboot now | 04:35 |
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| kent_autistic | so option to customize operator name widget is gone? like customized name, font color, etc. | 04:47 |
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| kent_autistic | DocScrutinizer05: you mentioned in TMO that we can install our preferred operator name widget | 05:05 |
| kent_autistic | but it can be uninstalled since its required by cssu | 05:06 |
| kent_autistic | and installing custom operator name widget in extras conflicts with it | 05:06 |
| kent_autistic | *cant | 05:07 |
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| LaoLang_cool | what is Operator Name Widget in the latest cssu version? | 06:29 |
| LaoLang_cool | How to use it? | 06:29 |
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| Estel_ | hm, how to properly use new features of operator name widget? what is "cell broadcast channel"? | 11:04 |
| Estel_ | I understand, that it should allow uds to see cell we're lggen into... | 11:04 |
| Estel_ | In my case, ticking it doesn't change anything. And that channel thing? | 11:05 |
| Estel_ | is it documented somewhere? | 11:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: we got a problem (CBS-widget) | 11:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: ^^^ | 11:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | LaoLang_cool: see my last post on http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80525&page=70 | 13:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it has a link to original thread, but I wonder if I could... http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80526&page=3 here you are :-D | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wow, the both threads seem neighbours | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-D | 13:14 |
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| LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer05, it's too technological for me to understand... | 13:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LaoLang_cool: this CBS-widget replaces your static operator name with any location info your operator might send on a special bradcast channel | 13:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | boadcast even | 13:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | depending on your operator this might be the town you're in, the quarter you're in, or simply a Tower (BTS) ID number | 13:32 |
| amiconn | Typo replacement ;) | 13:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if none of those gets sent, the widget is supposed to display the original operator string as you have in original maemo | 13:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: MohammadA: I have a strange guts feelijng like libsms is clearly core CSSU, but the widget stuff might live in 'optional' | 13:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: when is 'optional' infra going to be in place? ;-D | 13:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: MohammadAG: we clearly have a dependency collision with custom-operator-name-widget | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | strange thing: it seems undecided to either block CSSU update, or simply purge previously installed custom widget | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's rather unfortunate that nobody of the beta testers nor devels (incl me) seems has thought about custom-operator-name-widget and similar stuff | 13:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~spank DocScrutinizer | 13:39 |
| * infobot bends DocScrutinizer over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on DocScrutinizer's pasty white buttocks. | 13:39 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | clearly a duty I always claim as my primary domain, so everybody feel free to blame me for that oopsie | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: URGENT!! we need a safe rollback instruction, my botch as invented in tmo isn't really what I like to hand out to users as the official solution | 13:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | damndamndamn, seems everybody took 4 days off @ countryside, and back at monday | 13:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on? | 13:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on the bright side, the T users will not update while @ countryside ;-D | 13:44 |
| amiconn | Why not? | 13:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | :-D | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm just hoping :-) | 14:05 |
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| LaoLang_cool | In HAM, there isn't any update available, but in the message of apt-get upgrade, there are updates of alarmd and libalarm2, should I upgrade them? | 15:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | LaoLang_cool: short answer: no | 16:01 |
| LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer51, what about long answer? | 16:06 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer51: your tip in http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80525&page=70 will foobar apt | 16:27 |
| LaoLang_cool | How to add a button of copy/paste on the status bar of xterm? | 16:29 |
| merlin1991 | download the source and make your own package ;) | 16:29 |
| LaoLang_cool | The menu's poping takes a bit long time | 16:29 |
| LaoLang_cool | merlin1991, oh, too advanced for me.. | 16:29 |
| LaoLang_cool | Is there a way to speed up the pop-up of menu? | 16:30 |
| Estel_ | yea, overclock to 2,2 GHZ. | 16:34 |
| Estel_ | and insert SSD hard drive | 16:34 |
| Estel_ | + add second core to our SoC | 16:34 |
| LaoLang_cool | wow! | 16:34 |
| Estel_ | and quantum computer module | 16:34 |
| Estel_ | ;) | 16:34 |
| Estel_ | seriously though, don't You have bigger problems, than poping-up of menu? | 16:35 |
| LaoLang_cool | I thought there is an option to control the time of popup | 16:35 |
| Estel_ | transitions.ini | 16:35 |
| Estel_ | search forum for it's patch, i don't have one handy | 16:35 |
| Estel_ | it's a file You need to edit by text editor | 16:35 |
| LaoLang_cool | Estel_, My english is poor, the menu I mean is on the right of title bar when click there | 16:36 |
| Estel_ | with applicatrion icons? | 16:36 |
| Estel_ | application* | 16:36 |
| Estel_ | no, wait, it's on the left | 16:36 |
| Estel_ | no idea what You're talking about, sorry :/ | 16:37 |
| Estel_ | You mean small blue arrow? | 16:37 |
| Estel_ | on screen? | 16:37 |
| Estel_ | right to the title? | 16:37 |
| LaoLang_cool | Estel_, for example, the triangle icon on the top, right beside of "X Terminal" | 16:37 |
| LaoLang_cool | Estel_, yes, you're power! | 16:37 |
| Estel_ | actually, the same happen, when you just click title itself - blue triangle is part of it | 16:38 |
| LaoLang_cool | Estel_, yes, that's it | 16:38 |
| Estel_ | generally, it's controlled via mentioned file "transitions.ini" | 16:38 |
| Estel_ | ~transition.ini | 16:38 |
| Estel_ | but, if it's very slow... | 16:38 |
| Estel_ | It could mean that You got Your swap fragmented | 16:38 |
| Estel_ | is it faster, when you're just after reboot of device? | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | merlin1991: that's why I *urgently* asked you to provide a better tip | 16:39 |
| LaoLang_cool | Estel_, it's not slow, but I hope it can be more quick | 16:39 |
| Estel_ | it depends. Is it faster, when You're justa fter reboot? | 16:39 |
| Estel_ | after* | 16:39 |
| Estel_ | edit file: | 16:40 |
| LaoLang_cool | Estel_, It takes about 0.5s to pop up, I want it does 0.1s or less :) | 16:40 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer51: there is none | 16:40 |
| Estel_ | /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini | 16:40 |
| merlin1991 | the cssu mp depends on it, so you either have it or no cssu-t | 16:40 |
| Estel_ | edit this file | 16:40 |
| Estel_ | find line: | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's what I thought, merlin1991 | 16:41 |
| Estel_ | ...that tells anything about menu - you got description there | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's what happened with H-D as well | 16:42 |
| Estel_ | You also have values, in miliseconds | 16:42 |
| Estel_ | for example, 500 is half second | 16:42 |
| Estel_ | just find values too high, and make it lower, or even 0 | 16:42 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer51: whatabout h-d? | 16:42 |
| Estel_ | merlin1991, any way to determine broadcast channel my operator is using? | 16:42 |
| Estel_ | In my case, ticking any option doesn't result in anything | 16:42 |
| merlin1991 | Estel_: I have nfc :D | 16:43 |
| Estel_ | I still have t-mobile.pl | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | (see backscroll) | 16:43 |
| LaoLang_cool | Estel_, which line? the lines under # Popup for dialogs and status menu? | 16:43 |
| merlin1991 | Estel_: afaik it only works on 2G | 16:43 |
| Estel_ | itit doesn't change into anything | 16:43 |
| Estel_ | I use 2g only | 16:43 |
| Estel_ | LaoLang_cool, honestly, I've no idea | 16:43 |
| Estel_ | I modified them to never exceed 250 | 16:43 |
| Estel_ | i.e. 1/4 sec | 16:43 |
| Estel_ | if something was too long, I cut it | 16:43 |
| Estel_ | so you just need to experiment | 16:43 |
| LaoLang_cool | [popup]|duration_in = 250|duration_out = 250 | 16:43 |
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| Estel_ | as soon as you save settings, it should be in effect, no need for reboot | 16:44 |
| Estel_ | well, either it's different thing | 16:44 |
| Estel_ | or it takes only 1/4 second to appear, and 1/4 to dissapear | 16:44 |
| Estel_ | maybe You should check submenu? | 16:44 |
| Estel_ | merlin1991, any way to check if this widget is working for me at all? | 16:44 |
| Estel_ | it should change from default logo to whatever, I think? | 16:44 |
| Estel_ | no matter if it's cell tower id, location, or <ertror> | 16:45 |
| Estel_ | it's quite strange, that it's T-Mobile.pl no matter what :P | 16:45 |
| Estel_ | (just like before update) | 16:45 |
| Estel_ | Also, where does it log data if "logging" is ticked? | 16:46 |
| merlin1991 | Estel_: you need the right channel set + a provider that actually sends stuff | 16:46 |
| Estel_ | You're roight, i just discovered that mine send too much stuff | 16:47 |
| Estel_ | it still shows T-Mobile.pl, but, next data is after this | 16:47 |
| Estel_ | almsot off screen :P | 16:47 |
| Estel_ | fun fact - no matter how crazxy channel i set up, it works | 16:47 |
| Estel_ | so defasult 50 works | 16:47 |
| Estel_ | but 49 or 2 too :P | 16:47 |
| LaoLang_cool | How to change the date format to 2012-06-09? | 16:48 |
| merlin1991 | oh ffs, buntkuh update brought pulseaudio back | 16:48 |
| merlin1991 | LaoLang_cool: date format where? | 16:48 |
| LaoLang_cool | merlin1991, In the settings -> Language & region | 16:48 |
| Estel_ | merlin1991, ok, already googled for cell broadcast | 16:48 |
| Estel_ | got lsit of available channels | 16:49 |
| LaoLang_cool | I can't change it without the device language changed | 16:49 |
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| merlin1991 | freemangordon_: ping | 17:28 |
| freemangordon_ | pong | 17:29 |
| freemangordon_ | merlin1991 | 17:29 |
| merlin1991 | branch name for the -thum mp? | 17:29 |
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| merlin1991 | thumb-testing, or what branch did you use everywhere? | 17:30 |
| freemangordon_ | like others, i.e. thumb-testing | 17:30 |
| freemangordon_ | but check on gitorious, just in case | 17:30 |
| freemangordon_ | sorry, 8 am on th beach :P right now, inet is not very good | 17:31 |
| merlin1991 | beach, 8 am | 17:32 |
| merlin1991 | bastard :D | 17:32 |
| freemangordon_ | I am* | 17:32 |
| merlin1991 | still :D | 17:32 |
| freemangordon_ | 8 is on the same key as I on n900 | 17:32 |
| freemangordon_ | yeah 8-) | 17:33 |
| merlin1991 | why are you even using your n900 when you're at the beach? :D | 17:33 |
| freemangordon_ | I have to, should be online on the phone 24/7, part of my job | 17:33 |
| freemangordon_ | and was reading some news when you ping me | 17:34 |
| freemangordon_ | and I am curious WTF is screwed with the last update | 17:34 |
| freemangordon_ | ;-) | 17:34 |
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| merlin1991 | I didn't see anything particulary screwed | 17:35 |
| merlin1991 | only the operator widget conflicting with 2 packages in -devel | 17:35 |
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| merlin1991 | btw freemangordon_ the new libwhatever from gcc is it only needed by qt or other things too? | 17:38 |
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| freemangordon_ | I think only qt needs it | 17:39 |
| freemangordon_ | not sure though, you think we should add dependencies for the other packages too? | 17:40 |
| freemangordon_ | merlin1991 | 17:41 |
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| merlin1991 | well only if they link it / need it | 17:41 |
| * merlin1991 writes mp depends | 17:41 | |
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| freemangordon_ | the only cpp is qt, all others are pure c afaik | 17:42 |
| freemangordon_ | /me wishes merlin1991 luck and goes afk | 17:42 |
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| merlin1991 | ffs, firefox-kde-support dropped, my global keybindings don't work, I had to remove pulseaudio again to get sound out of flash, and dhclient didn't run by itself but I had to invoke it manually | 17:50 |
| merlin1991 | kubuntu is driving me insane | 17:50 |
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| merlin1991 | FFS | 18:21 |
| merlin1991 | kate can't open the control file because the depends line is too long | 18:21 |
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| merlin1991 | freemangordon_: you'll want to update hildon-home in thumb-testing, testing has a newer version | 18:25 |
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| merlin1991 | freemangordon_: ping | 18:42 |
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| freemangordon_ | pong | 18:54 |
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| freemangordon_ | merlin1991 | 18:54 |
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| merlin1991 | which packages depend on libgail18 which is in the thumb repo? | 18:55 |
| freemangordon_ | noone, it is a part of gtk | 18:55 |
| merlin1991 | ah k | 18:56 |
| merlin1991 | it seems there is not a single package depending on it | 18:56 |
| freemangordon_ | yep | 18:57 |
| freemangordon_ | it is some gtk accessabilty library | 18:57 |
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| merlin1991 | freemangordon_: also, should we depend on the cssu kernel flasher in the mp, or just have the errata depends everywhere else? | 18:59 |
| freemangordon_ | errata deopends only, that way the guys with KP can install -thumb .debs. though i have nfc hpw it will work in real life, i.e. which kernel ham will decide to flash | 19:05 |
| freemangordon_ | hmm, merlin1991, i am not sure | 19:06 |
| freemangordon_ | maybe it will be better to depend on kenel-cssu | 19:06 |
| merlin1991 | it's your baby, you decide :D | 19:08 |
| freemangordon_ | hmm, depends: kernel-cssu-flasher|kernel-feature-thumb-errata ? is that possible? | 19:09 |
| merlin1991 | hm it *should* work | 19:11 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon_: you didn't upload the kernel to the thumb repo | 19:17 |
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| merlin1991 | freemangordon_: I pushed an mp to gitorious that should work when you've uploaded the kernel to the thumb repo | 19:26 |
| freemangordon_ | merlin1991, it is in -devel repo | 19:27 |
| merlin1991 | so what? | 19:28 |
| merlin1991 | thumb repo should provide everything so thumb can run | 19:28 |
| merlin1991 | thus it should have 1 errata enabled kernel | 19:28 |
| merlin1991 | you know, self containing repos and such ;) | 19:28 |
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| freemangordon_ | merlin1991, yeah. can you just copy the .debs from -devel? | 19:51 |
| merlin1991 | hm that wouldn't import the source | 19:54 |
| merlin1991 | but I can drop everything into the incoming folder, so that you only have to add the .changes file | 19:54 |
| freemangordon_ | ok | 19:55 |
| freemangordon_ | unfortunately my desktop is not turned on, so i will do it tomorrow evening | 19:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~buntkuh | 20:43 |
| infobot | rumour has it, buntkuh is http://xkcd.com/424/ ... Redmond | 20:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~buntkuh is also http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holstein-Rind | 21:21 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~buntkuh | 21:21 |
| infobot | i guess buntkuh is http://xkcd.com/424/ ... Redmond, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holstein-Rind | 21:21 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: :D | 21:23 |
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| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: I just spotted that your recovery procedure won't even run | 22:25 |
| merlin1991 | there is no apt-get -install :D | 22:25 |
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