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| Raimu | freemangordon, presencevnc works nicely. Yay! | 00:36 |
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| freemangordon | Raimu: great | 10:37 |
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| luf | Hi. I'm here. Sorry I wasn't here yesterday but I'm under heavy load in work and also at home since Wednesdey. | 11:07 |
| luf | freemangordon: Bug 9943 - MfE Wizard fails if exchange server hostname has IPv4 and IPv6 addresses - are you sure this piece of SW using libcurl3? | 11:30 |
| povbot_ | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/9943 MfE Wizard fails if exchange server hostname has IPv4 and IPv6 addresses | 11:30 |
| luf | And I thing someone should reopen the bug as Atarii reported that upgrading libcurl3 don't help. | 11:31 |
| luf | s/thing/think/ | 11:31 |
| infobot | luf meant: And I think someone should reopen the bug as Atarii reported that upgrading libcurl3 don't help. | 11:31 |
| jacekowski | luf: works for me | 11:31 |
| luf | jacekowski: what works for you? Exchange IPv4 + IPv6 on server with newere libcurl3? | 11:32 |
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| freemangordon | luf: there was another report on TMO that libcurl3 fixes 9943 | 11:53 |
| freemangordon | as you know upgrading to extras-devel version is a bit tricky, not sure what Atarii did, and he is not here to ask him | 11:54 |
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| jacekowski | luf: it did work for me year ago when i had n900 | 11:55 |
| luf | Ok. BTW devel-testing is better to suggest. | 11:55 |
| freemangordon | jacekowski: what is WFM? MfE? | 11:55 |
| jacekowski | MfE | 11:55 |
| freemangordon | luf: ^^^ | 11:55 |
| jacekowski | with ipv6 addres | 11:55 |
| jacekowski | address* | 11:55 |
| luf | Mail for Exchange | 11:56 |
| freemangordon | luf: you lost me :) | 11:56 |
| jacekowski | MfE == Mail for Exchange | 11:57 |
| luf | freemangordon: I take a look into my pocket if I find you there :D | 11:57 |
| freemangordon | jacekowski: I know that | 11:57 |
| luf | freemangordon: extras-testing | 11:57 |
| freemangordon | whatever, some miscommunication | 11:57 |
| freemangordon | luf: maybe, anyway it is going to CSSU | 11:58 |
| freemangordon | luf: now, do you have an account on gitorious? | 11:58 |
| freemangordon | luf: make one if you don't have, clone libcurl from CSSU, upgrade the ource to your version and do a merge request back to CSSU. | 12:04 |
| freemangordon | s/ource/source/ | 12:04 |
| infobot | freemangordon meant: luf: make one if you don't have, clone libcurl from CSSU, upgrade the source to your version and do a merge request back to CSSU. | 12:04 |
| freemangordon | that way everyone will be happy :) | 12:05 |
| freemangordon | once new libcurl is in CSSU git, I will build it and will put in on CSSU-devel repo | 12:05 |
| freemangordon | s/in on/it on/ | 12:06 |
| infobot | freemangordon meant: once new libcurl is in CSSU git, I will build it and will put it on CSSU-devel repo | 12:06 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: ok with ^^^ | 12:07 |
| freemangordon | ? | 12:07 |
| luf | freemangordon: Ok. I'm going to make a account on gitorius (it's my 1001 account :D) | 12:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | jacekowski: It seems you got no N900 anymore. you should apply for CA and swap the N9 for a N900, on ebay | 13:29 |
| jacekowski | CA? | 13:37 |
| jacekowski | i don't have N9 either | 13:37 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer05: ? | 13:39 |
| Pali | jacekowski, CA is https://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Awards | 13:39 |
| jacekowski | doesn't work on opera | 13:40 |
| jacekowski | Unable to complete secure transaction | 13:40 |
| Pali | s/https/http/ | 13:40 |
| infobot | Pali meant: jacekowski, CA is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Awards | 13:40 |
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| merlin1991 | freemangordon: sure | 15:36 |
| merlin1991 | luf: got your gitorious account? | 15:36 |
| Estel_ | well, jacekowski, honestly - it's just my personal opinion - as person inactive for last year (until last few days and NOLo hacking) your chances in Ca are slim | 15:45 |
| Estel_ | I would rather suggest6 You trying luck ion Coding Competition, QT5, or Nokia Store | 15:45 |
| Estel_ | most likely, the first one (CC) | 15:45 |
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| jacekowski | well, to be honest | 15:50 |
| jacekowski | i'm not really interested | 15:50 |
| jacekowski | N900 hardware is pretty slow by modern standards | 15:51 |
| jacekowski | N9 is not much better for that matter | 15:51 |
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| jacekowski | i would rather port maemo to some other hardware | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, port maemo to N9 ;-D | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like a plan | 15:57 |
| jacekowski | i was thinking about bit more modern hardware | 15:58 |
| jacekowski | galaxy s3 or galaxy nexus | 15:58 |
| Pali | jacekowski, only some maemo5 packages are closed :D see http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages | 16:00 |
| jacekowski | well, thing is, that's not that much of a problem | 16:01 |
| jacekowski | only problem would be whole cellmo/dialer thing | 16:01 |
| Estel_ | jacekowski, seeCordia project | 16:04 |
| Estel_ | it's basically porting Hildon Desktop to Mer | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, if it's a proper port, then there shouldn't be too much of a problem from that | 16:04 |
| Estel_ | jacekowski, honestly, N900 still do circles arount other devices, in terms of usability | 16:04 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, it's proper port, but done by only 2 people that are not really interested in gaining others to their work | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | run original blobs for dialer, adapt phonet lib | 16:05 |
| Estel_ | i.e. no documentation (almost) | 16:05 |
| Estel_ | eclectic, hermetic way of doing everything, etc | 16:05 |
| jacekowski | well n900 is slow compared to my galaxy nexus | 16:05 |
| jacekowski | it feels slow | 16:05 |
| jacekowski | and well, nexus has cpu that is like 4x faster | 16:05 |
| Estel_ | jacekowski, your galaxy nexus is PITA for real uysage compared to my N900, lol | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so has N9 | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but meh | 16:06 |
| Estel_ | no problem, if You, one day, will have toaster with 2,5 GHZ dual-core, will it be more usable? | 16:06 |
| jacekowski | n9 is 1GHz A8 | 16:06 |
| Estel_ | whats the point of putting xyz hardware into thast shit, if software/Os is crappy and unusable | 16:06 |
| jacekowski | and it has no hw keyboard | 16:06 |
| jacekowski | Estel_: only thing it lacks is Hw keyboard | 16:06 |
| Estel_ | jacekowski, bluetooth slide-out keyboards are cheap ;) | 16:06 |
| Estel_ | seriously, Android is PITA | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think Samsung S3 is using a STE modem, with CAIF and quite straight AT command set | 16:06 |
| Estel_ | for any real usage | 16:07 |
| jacekowski | Estel_: not really | 16:07 |
| Estel_ | jacekowski, I'm using my N900 to do things that other people do on laptops | 16:07 |
| jacekowski | like what | 16:07 |
| jacekowski | openoffice on n900 is more like a demo than usable app | 16:07 |
| Estel_ | I have it with myself, and whel travelling, I have USb keyboasrd and mouse, OR, when working, I debug networks with it | 16:07 |
| Estel_ | jacekowski, bullshit | 16:07 |
| Estel_ | first of all | 16:07 |
| Estel_ | we're usiong LibreOffice | 16:08 |
| jacekowski | have you tried using it | 16:08 |
| Estel_ | second, I've written TONS of documents on it | 16:08 |
| Estel_ | of course | 16:08 |
| jacekowski | on 256M of ram it's pretty slow | 16:08 |
| jacekowski | and laggy | 16:08 |
| Estel_ | even printed it with printer connected to N900 | 16:08 |
| Estel_ | USB one | 16:08 |
| Estel_ | nope, if Yopu set-up it properly | 16:08 |
| Estel_ | but, honestly, more RAM w2ould be OK | 16:08 |
| Estel_ | but, rather for things like Chromium | 16:08 |
| Estel_ | LibrEOffice works flawlessly for mne | 16:08 |
| Estel_ | using EasyDebian on dedicated partition, and swap on microSD | 16:09 |
| Estel_ | + proper swap related kernel settings | 16:09 |
| Estel_ | BTw, people are running ubuntu 12.04 on N900, and, reportedly, LibreOffice and chromium work even faster there | 16:09 |
| Estel_ | (if You get rid of Unity and use, for example, LXDE) | 16:09 |
| Estel_ | (making it Lubuntu, essentialy) | 16:09 |
| jacekowski | i'm not going to believe anybody who says ubuntu runs fast on 256M of ram | 16:10 |
| Estel_ | whenever I am, I use my N900 as full computer | 16:10 |
| Estel_ | of course it do | 16:10 |
| Estel_ | memory hog is Unity | 16:10 |
| Estel_ | if Yuo get rid of it, everything works as it should, after all, it's fork of debian | 16:10 |
| freemangordon | jacekowski: it runs pretty well given the amount of RAM :) | 16:10 |
| freemangordon | well, slower than my desktop, but still | 16:11 |
| Estel_ | jacekowski, I understand what You mewan by hardware use din galaxy or whatever android | 16:11 |
| Estel_ | but it's like comparing consoles to computers | 16:11 |
| Estel_ | first one is just a toy, at most | 16:11 |
| Estel_ | You can jailbreak ity, compile on it, or do anything... | 16:11 |
| tadzik | Estel_: so you carry a full-blown keyboard along with your n900? | 16:11 |
| Estel_ | but it's, mostly, toy | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so we're from "port maemo to other platform" to "run ubuntu on N900"? :-S | 16:11 |
| Estel_ | tadzik, ful lblown, but very light and small | 16:11 |
| jacekowski | i just carry a laptop with me | 16:12 |
| Estel_ | fit into my backpack with no problem | 16:12 |
| jacekowski | laptop fits into my backpack with no problem | 16:12 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: The problem as I see it, is there is still now HW to compete with n900 (and I am not talking about CPU and RAM) | 16:12 |
| Estel_ | jacekowski, lighter laptops weight ~1KG | 16:12 |
| Estel_ | and are overpriced, if are so light | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 16:12 |
| Estel_ | BTW, I have my N900 100% of time with me | 16:12 |
| jacekowski | Estel_: big screen | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | missing r-ts and hw-kbd is the showstopper every single time | 16:12 |
| Estel_ | if i don't have usb keyboard, I have all keys from full-sized keyboard mapped to N900 keyboard | 16:13 |
| Estel_ | jacekowski, of course, big screen is comfortable | 16:13 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: add fmtx to the list | 16:13 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer05: well, i don't think there have been any phones made with hw-kbd in last few years | 16:13 |
| merlin1991 | fmtx I miss alot on the n9 | 16:13 |
| Estel_ | I have notebook, and love it (XPSm1530, core2duo 2,5GHZ T9300, GeForce 8600GT 512RAM DDR3) | 16:13 |
| jacekowski | there was n900 and then there was some crappy HTC | 16:13 |
| jacekowski | and that was pretty much all | 16:14 |
| freemangordon | Motorola? | 16:14 |
| Estel_ | honestly, running any sane software in Android is pita, pita, and even more pita | 16:14 |
| jacekowski | ugh | 16:14 |
| jacekowski | dell | 16:14 |
| freemangordon | (can't remember dhe model) | 16:14 |
| Estel_ | have been through this, setting up androids to usable state for family | 16:14 |
| jacekowski | works for me | 16:14 |
| Estel_ | suceed, but it took ages, and, finally, I convinced everyone to use N900 | 16:14 |
| freemangordon | nice :D | 16:14 |
| Estel_ | :P | 16:14 |
| Estel_ | that why I was able to buy 10 of them | 16:14 |
| Estel_ | for extra price | 16:15 |
| Estel_ | and sell 3 on TMO ;p) | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eh? motorola works for you? | 16:15 |
| jacekowski | nah, android | 16:15 |
| Estel_ | I think dell works for him | 16:15 |
| jacekowski | i have ssh client | 16:15 |
| Estel_ | ahh | 16:15 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: everything in -thumb repo is ready for -pr | 16:15 |
| Estel_ | well, as said, consoles also "works" if you use them as toys | 16:15 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: in other words you want me to work ;) | 16:16 |
| jacekowski | Estel_: it has ssh client | 16:16 |
| Estel_ | most people use tablets as web browsers, and... well, for small games? | 16:16 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: in other words... yes :P | 16:16 |
| Estel_ | jacekowski, whoa, what a luixury :P | 16:16 |
| jacekowski | well, that's all i need | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in other words: what's the name of this new distro then? | 16:16 |
| Estel_ | of course it have. although, SSH server is crippled, or payware | 16:16 |
| Estel_ | if You need ssh client, You don't need it's 4x faster CPU | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you already decided how to call it? | 16:17 |
| jacekowski | well, ssh server is pointless | 16:17 |
| jacekowski | unless you have a laptop with you or something | 16:17 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: a distro? | 16:17 |
| jacekowski | and then your argument is invalid | 16:17 |
| Estel_ | jacekowski, You need 1Gb of RAM and 1,2 GHZ CPU for browser and angry birds, and ssh client? | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: lol | 16:17 |
| jacekowski | Estel_: autocad | 16:18 |
| Estel_ | jacekowski, lol :d for CAd, I would use notebook at least | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and here we announce: "a distro" - comes with thumb enabled kernel and all stuff compiled for thumb, based on maemo fremantle | 16:18 |
| jacekowski | Estel_: not if all you want is to take a look at some drawings | 16:19 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer: the repo is cssu-thumb, I didn't know i should think on how one should call it | 16:19 |
| Estel_ | freemangordon, nowI start to feel sorry for You (after reading DocScrutinizer ideas) | 16:19 |
| freemangordon | Estel_: why? | 16:19 |
| jacekowski | anyways | 16:19 |
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| jacekowski | i've got better things to do | 16:19 |
| Estel_ | <DocScrutinizer05> and here we announce: "a distro" - comes with thumb enabled kernel and all stuff compiled for thumb, based on maemo fremantle | 16:19 |
| Estel_ | jacekowski, np, take your time | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: well, unlike CSSU it's actually a complete distro, so it probably will need a name | 16:19 |
| freemangordon | Estel_: but thst is the final goal (excluding the name "distro") | 16:20 |
| tadzik | what's "thumb"? | 16:20 |
| Estel_ | freemangordon, exactly | 16:20 |
| tadzik | I assume you don't mean a mere finger | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: an alternative opcode cmd set of ARM cPU | 16:20 |
| freemangordon | tadzik: no, we mean 2 pf them, i.e. thumb2 | 16:20 |
| tadzik | oh, exciting | 16:20 |
| Estel_ | but the hyell You would need to waste time on all things related to making it distro?! | 16:20 |
| Estel_ | (name) | 16:20 |
| Estel_ | fork, website | 16:20 |
| Estel_ | legal issues | 16:21 |
| freemangordon | Estel_, everything is in place so far | 16:21 |
| Estel_ | freemangordon, whoa, it was fast | 16:21 |
| freemangordon | (website? WTF?) | 16:21 |
| Estel_ | (joke about makjng distro - like Ubuntu vs Debian) | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#Thumb-2 | 16:21 |
| Estel_ | freemangordon, it seems You've made some whirlwind of development | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: ^^^ | 16:21 |
| tadzik | DocScrutinizer05: thanks, will look at it | 16:22 |
| freemangordon | Estel_, all I did was to find how to workaround thumb errata correctly, to compile gcc 4.6.2 and to re-compile some of the packages on CSSU | 16:22 |
| Estel_ | gcc 4.6.2 | 16:23 |
| freemangordon | (gcc 4.6.2. needs some tweaking, but still) | 16:23 |
| Estel_ | yea | 16:23 |
| freemangordon | yep | 16:23 |
| Estel_ | that was the thing I though isn't working yet | 16:23 |
| freemangordon | and binutils 2.22 | 16:23 |
| Estel_ | how it's compared to 4.6.2 being on -devel now? | 16:23 |
| freemangordon | NFC | 16:23 |
| Estel_ | s/compared/related/ | 16:23 |
| infobot | Estel_ meant: how it's related to 4.6.2 being on -devel now? | 16:23 |
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| Estel_ | hm, I wonder if You and AapoRantalainen/szopin aren't doing the same work twice | 16:24 |
| Estel_ | they were overcoming problems with 4.6.2 too | 16:24 |
| Estel_ | funny fact - I don't know if others will agree, but more time You spent on IRC, the more funny typos and awful gramma You're doing. | 16:25 |
| merlin1991 | bah | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: moo | 16:29 |
| merlin1991 | dafuq? | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eh? | 16:29 |
| Raimu | Estel_: I found that happening with IMs. :D | 16:49 |
| Estel_ | v? | 16:49 |
| Estel_ | ah | 16:49 |
| Estel_ | I see | 16:49 |
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| freemangordon | merlin1991: after all alarmd is NOT a part of T4, just tried on my sister's phone. have to do apt-get upgrade to have alarmd and libalarm2 installed :( | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: it's not in changelog either | 22:03 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders whether to do a BM-backup and install friffin T4 :-D | 22:05 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or wait 5 days, as usual | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems we got amazingly few feedback so far? | 22:05 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 ponders having a glance at tmo | 22:06 | |
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| Jade | hi | 22:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hi :-) | 22:17 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: well, that is mostly a bugfix release, not much of a new functionality | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | except CB-widget which already got a (or actually a few) bug 'ticket' | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1219032&postcount=678 quite contradicting http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1219412&postcount=682 , http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1219529&postcount=686 :-(( | 22:54 |
| Pali | freemangordon, what about patching debhelper dh_gencontrol to auto add kernel-cssu to package dependences? | 23:07 |
| Pali | and put patched debhleper to -thumb repo? | 23:07 |
| Pali | we do not need to patch each package for thumb then | 23:07 |
| Pali | just upload to other repo and builder will use new debhelper which add thumb dependences | 23:08 |
| Pali | also debhelper can add -mthumb to CFLAGS | 23:08 |
| Pali | so no need to edit debian/rules for that | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds about right | 23:13 |
| Pali | also when building gcc it is possible to specify default mode: arm or thumb | 23:23 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer, what do you think about it? | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | umm, I wouldn't change defaults of toolchain. You enter 7th hell by doing that | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rather check what defaults are set in arbitrary gcc packages for arbitrary distro | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no good idea to build your very own flavour of a tool | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | after all you can handle that the way you suggested above, easily and without running into version/flavour hell on every new build environment somebody somewhere is going to set up | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a decent build environment will not rely on any defaults anyway, rather you specify every single option to the value that's needed | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even if it's exactly same as default | 23:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | look, usually you even freeze all toolchain tools for a system, and keept them until doomsday. As otherwise you need to recompile whole system, as you never can know the new tool is always and in every situation compatible with the old one. See ABI symbol mismatch problem freemangordon ran into, quite on day0. Similar problems can hide for weeks, months, even years, and then you're busted when you notice them, as nobody could | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | recompile all those old possibly closed apps and libs with the new tool, and nobody will do the effort to fix all the new stuff so it works and build under the old tool | 23:44 |
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