IRC log of #maemo-ssu for Thursday, 2012-06-07

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freemangordonMohammadAG: we were discussing those keys again00:53
freemangordonand AFAIK you're the author of sociality :P00:53
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MohammadAGI didn't read facebook's TOS00:59
MohammadAGbut based on many facebook apps00:59
MohammadAGincluding the keys as plaintext is not a problem01:00
MohammadAGJaffa did it with Hemres01:00
MohammadAGofficial facebook apps do it01:00
MohammadAGany changes that can cause a malicious attack need the password of the developer01:00
MohammadAGwhich I recall was a user on facebook called Maemo Farchild01:01
freemangordonSee. That is why I said you're the most knowledgeable amongst us ;)01:01
freemangordonOn that matter01:01
freemangordonanyway, will upload second key tomorrow (if have time)01:02
freemangordonmerlin1991 ^^^01:02
freemangordonmerlin1991, you fixed that libstdc++ problem ain't?01:03
merlin1991yeah01:03
freemangordonand i see libgcc1, why is that?01:03
merlin1991I did nothing like that01:03
freemangordonRaimu reported something?01:03
MohammadAG16979522303219701:03
MohammadAGa642f00d2e84cffba72432d0911cfe0201:03
MohammadAGN9 ^01:04
MohammadAGthey're plaintext too01:04
freemangordonhmm, I see libgcc1 as an update when i do apt-get upgrade, could it be that meego backporting efforts?01:04
freemangordonMohammadAG: ok01:04
MohammadAGhttps://api.facebook.com/method/facebook.mailbox.send <-- I FOUND IT01:04
freemangordonWTF is that?01:05
MohammadAGthe method to send a message on facebook01:05
MohammadAGprivate API, I wonder how that would work01:05
freemangordonaah, ok. congrats :P01:06
freemangordonnow you will add chat to sociality?01:06
MohammadAGchat is simple XMPP01:06
Raimufreemangordon, what's up?01:06
MohammadAGSimple XMPP isn't simple for me :p01:06
freemangordonRaimu, I was wondering how that thumb2 thingie is developing on your side :)01:06
RaimuOh, yeah, the presencevnc thing.01:07
DocScrutinizer06it's not about plaintext, it's about our policy to (not?) redistribute Nokia stuff that's not clearly FOSS01:07
freemangordonRaimu: did you find why it does not start?01:07
freemangordon(or whatever the problem was)01:08
Raimufreemangordon: Some googling suggested there's some "symbol" it cannot locate in the thumbed libraries.01:08
RaimuTry installing it on your machine. It plays nice. :)01:08
freemangordonRaimu: sorry, I did not investigate it here, this FB shit had wasted all my time these days01:09
freemangordonplays nice?01:09
freemangordonBTW which symbol?01:09
freemangordonand which .so01:09
RaimuBy "plays nice" I mean it doesn't fsckup your maemo. Anyway, run using terminal ("presencevnc"), enter any IP in the address box and try to connect. It blasts a symbol error in the terminal and dies.01:09
freemangordonRaimu: ^^^01:10
RaimuLessee. Damn, I didn't scrawl the error message.01:10
freemangordon;(01:10
RaimuI'm a bit busy, but I'll get back to you with the program.01:11
freemangordonbtw what that application does?01:11
RaimuIt's a VNC client/viewer.01:11
RaimuYou can view remote desktops through it.01:11
freemangordonhmm, so I am supposed to have VNC server on my desc?01:11
RaimuNope.01:11
freemangordonaah, ok01:11
RaimuIt crashes without even getting to the connection.01:11
RaimuJust the moment it tries to do something with the IP you gave it dies.01:12
freemangordonRaimu: ok, going to install it01:12
RaimuThanks. Let's see if it's just something really messed up on my accord.01:12
freemangordonRaimu: could you give me the exact command?01:14
freemangordonpresencevnc: symbol lookup error: presencevnc: undefined symbol: _ZN7QString8vsprintfEPKcPv01:15
freemangordonhmm, something with Qt, WTF?01:15
freemangordonRaimu: it is not thum,b2 itself, for some reason gcc 4.6.2 has messed up Qt's QString, will check that01:16
merlin1991^^ epic01:17
RaimuThat's it.01:17
freemangordonaaah, now i remember, there was a warning, that there is a chage in vargarg between gcc a.b.c and x.y.z, could be that, will ask ggole for a solution :D01:20
freemangordon*change01:20
freemangordonhmm, seems I have to take some rest :D01:20
freemangordonmy typing skills are bellow zero01:21
freemangordon*below01:21
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merlin1991agreed ;)01:23
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RaimuRest well.01:23
DocScrutinizer06try LD_BIND_NOW=y01:23
freemangordonDocScrutinizer06: ?01:24
DocScrutinizer06>>Anyway, run using terminal ("presencevnc"), enter any IP in the address box and try to connect. It blasts a symbol error in the terminal and dies.01:24
DocScrutinizer06LD_BIND_NOW=y  presencevnc(?)01:25
DocScrutinizer06throws unknown-symbol errors during load time, not during runtime01:25
DocScrutinizer06of course unless you do dynamic loading of libs under user control01:29
DocScrutinizer06man linux-ld01:30
DocScrutinizer06err man ld-linux01:30
DocScrutinizer06btw seems you just found one of the reasons why you generally don't change buildtool chain for a distro01:32
DocScrutinizer06I mean for one rev of a distro01:32
DocScrutinizer06possible change in symbol naming just one reason01:33
DocScrutinizer06world has seen a lot of other more subtle issues that caused severe headache from time to time01:34
DocScrutinizer06generally the ABI isn't guaranteed to always stay compatible01:35
freemangordonguys, i really gtg, will someone continue the conversation on #maemo, seems there is another application broken by libcurl301:37
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Estel_Sc0rpius, just hit power button twice, quickly05:10
Estel_it unclocks without slide-to-unlock05:10
Estel_sometimes, simplest solutions are best ;) Same apply to APi key, I'm glad they're going to land in repo and end that saga05:11
Estel_In fact, I'm going to vomit after hearing "facebook" few more times :p05:11
Sc0rpiusI push power button twice quickly and I still get the swipe screen05:15
Sc0rpiusbut it works for locking the device05:15
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DocScrutinizer05Sc0rpius: I don't think doubleclick works when device locked13:39
DocScrutinizer05I'm not sure what does this filtering though: kernel, mce, even the lockscreen itself?13:40
DocScrutinizer05my guess is mce does that13:40
DocScrutinizer05Sc0rpius: anyway ># less "+/\[PowerKey\]" /etc/mce/mce.ini13:47
DocScrutinizer05>>13:47
DocScrutinizer05# WARNING:13:47
DocScrutinizer05# Setting short, long, and double press to disabled will make it13:47
DocScrutinizer05# near impossible to turn off your device without removing the battery!13:47
DocScrutinizer05XD13:47
DocScrutinizer05unless I open xterm and do the right command from there ;-P13:48
tadzikthat's the "near" part I guess ;)13:49
DocScrutinizer05# Double press [power] behaviour \n  ... # tklock - enable the touchscreen/keypad lock <default>13:49
DocScrutinizer05there's no option like "DISable  the touchscreen/keypad lock13:50
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* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if "soft poweroff = offline" could as well do suspend-to-ram13:53
DocScrutinizer05and if that would make much of a difference13:54
* DocScrutinizer05 also wonders why those topics always tend to migrate to this chan, rather than being discussed in #maemo where they belong13:55
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int_uaas I see the Tmaemo4 version is new. Where can I find changelog fot it? Opening gitorious...16:08
DocScrutinizer05int_ua: on http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU there's a link to changelogs16:09
DocScrutinizer05Tmaemo4 ??16:10
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: ^^^?16:10
int_uaDoc, I've checked it, of course :) It's not yet updated just like the topic of this channel ;)16:11
DocScrutinizer05that's what I meant16:11
DocScrutinizer05so we goit a new rev of T recently?16:11
RaimuWell, I didn't see it this morning on my updates.16:12
DocScrutinizer05got*16:12
RaimuWell, I do see it now. *grin*16:12
DocScrutinizer05hmmpf16:13
RaimuSomeone should maybe write something to the Debian changelog thing on the package sometime, because it still talks about 20.2010.36-2maemo16.16:13
RaimuAt least edit it to say "see web for changelog" or something.16:13
DocScrutinizer05lol, good spotting16:13
DocScrutinizer05I actually wonder who and when and why released Tmaemo4, if there's sucha thing at all16:14
RaimuWell, this package exists in cssu-testing. It was put there sometime in the last five hours.16:15
DocScrutinizer05I can't recall seeing any discussion on what will go into such Tmaemo416:15
RaimuIt's got gnome-vfs-filechooser-backend, was that there in previous cssu-Ts?16:18
int_ualooks like freemangordon added arm errata 430973. But its' from gitorious logs, I'm not sure it's part of Tmaemo4. *checking for a kernel update*16:19
RaimuWell, I'll wait 'til some changelog emerges.16:21
DocScrutinizer05adding arm errata shouldn't affect T at all16:22
DocScrutinizer05as it's a kernel patch, and T not even has a kernel as part of that distribution16:23
DocScrutinizer05MohammadAG: merlin1991: PING16:23
DocScrutinizer05what's going on?16:23
DocScrutinizer05pretty please make sure we don't accidentally ship a new T rev via SSU16:24
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05, AFAIK the update was supposed to appear a week or so ago, but there was some problim with the repo16:24
DocScrutinizer05ooh16:24
freemangordon*problem16:25
DocScrutinizer05so there's actually some sort of 'changelog-to-be' that can be found in form of a discussion done here, in the chanlog?16:25
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05, don't think so, better wait merlin1991 to update wiki16:27
DocScrutinizer05damn, if the update to T4 is meant to ship since a week, I'd think this wiki-update is overdue16:28
* int_ua is upgrading16:28
DocScrutinizer05a new OS rev emerging out of thin air on my daily phone has quite some potential to scare the living shit outa me16:29
RaimuYeah, it's a bit of a " ¬_¬ what this?"16:31
int_uait said "Restart to coplete ... Setting are in Control Panel". What was the last sentence supposed to mean?16:35
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: wiki is always 1 day late ;)16:35
int_uas/Setting/Settings/16:35
infobotint_ua meant: it said "Restart to coplete ... Settings are in Control Panel". What was the last sentence supposed to mean?16:35
Raimuo_O16:36
DocScrutinizer05well, in this case it shaould have the update since 6 days then, givven freemangordon's staement that it got stuck in repo was correct16:36
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: we had a discussion (that I missed) about which features come with T4?16:37
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: 1 day after the update is distributed :P16:37
DocScrutinizer05I think generally updates should get advertised in advance16:38
freemangordon:nod:16:38
freemangordonbut it seems both merlin1991 and MohammadAG are too busy these days, it is exams time after all16:39
freemangordonAFAIK16:39
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: so lets forgive them this time, if they promise "never again" :D16:40
DocScrutinizer05sure thing, no accusing and fingerpointing16:42
DocScrutinizer05just asking what's the deal16:42
DocScrutinizer05I almost entered ALARM mode for an accidental publishing of an unintended T update16:43
RaimuSo, anyway... what's changed in this version?16:43
DocScrutinizer05yeah, that's my question as well16:43
freemangordonRaimu, in short it should bring all the stuff that's been in CSSU-devel for a while16:43
freemangordonlike modest fizes, ke-recv fixes,etc16:44
freemangordonnew dosfstools16:44
freemangordonbetter hildon-desktop, some fixes in hildon-home, cbs-operator-applet (or whatever the name was)16:45
RaimuDoes it include the task switcher monocromatization trick from the CSSU-t TMO thread?16:46
freemangordonno16:46
freemangordonit is still not even in -devel16:47
Raimu+h16:47
RaimuI like it a lot.16:47
freemangordonbut you could pester arcean to speed-up th development :D16:47
freemangordoneveryone likes it16:47
RaimuNot that *that* is grounds for CSSU inclusion *snort*16:47
RaimuMy liking it, I mean.16:47
merlin1991my list16:47
merlin1991alarmd <-- mp16:47
merlin1991camera-ui <-- fix for dead stream after playback16:47
merlin1991hildon <-- fixed #1255316:47
merlin1991hildon-home <-- removed unsused gconf, enlarge background dialog in portrait16:47
merlin1991hildon-status-menu <-- removed unsused gconf16:47
merlin1991ke-recv <-- various fixes regarding renaming and a hook to ignore partitions16:48
merlin1991libcurl <-- fixed #12554, also only compiles with  "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -I.git -i\\.git -us -uc"16:48
merlin1991modest <-- fixed #1228516:48
merlin1991operator-name-cbs-widget16:48
merlin1991pango  <-- fixed #1255016:48
merlin1991+dosfstools and gnome-vfs16:48
merlin1991and I think operator-name-cbs-widget didn't go through16:48
freemangordonosso-gnome-vfs that is16:48
freemangordonwould you elaborate?16:49
arceaninstead of "hildon-status-menu" there should be "hildon-desktop" in changelog :)16:49
merlin1991yea I know :D16:49
arceanok :D16:49
* DocScrutinizer05 starts coughing when reading "gnome-vfs"16:49
merlin1991it's my faulty list from a txt on my desktop16:49
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: it's about partitions and sending proper names to the file manager afaik16:50
freemangordonarcean, mind to push h-d changes on your tree?16:50
freemangordonmerlin1991: :nod:16:50
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: basically, it first and foremost starts with "g"16:50
DocScrutinizer05;-D16:50
freemangordonarcean: so i can put it in CSSU-devel repo16:51
merlin1991be happy it doesn't start with u/ku ;)16:51
DocScrutinizer05secondly, I ran into issues with some fsckdup ~/.gnomevfs or whatever, even on my desktop16:51
arceanfreemangordon: i'd like to squeeze a couple of bugs before pushing anything :)16:51
DocScrutinizer05so I start coughing whenever I encounter that16:52
int_uaAFAIU the message I asked for was from operator-name-cbs-widget16:52
freemangordonarcean: ok16:52
* int_ua is looking at this new operator-name-cbs-widget16:52
freemangordonmerlin1991: whay yopu said cbs widget didn;t make it?16:53
int_uaDidn't we have Cell Broadcast enabled before??16:53
DocScrutinizer05indeed16:53
freemangordonint_ua: no16:53
merlin1991freemangordon:  I don't know, I didn't check yet what mag uploaded16:53
* merlin1991 currently does that + changelog16:53
merlin1991since I couldn't even check before the repo got fixed today16:53
DocScrutinizer05this getting pushed back again is a rather unpolite move that will make the original author quite unhappy16:53
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: yeah, agree16:54
freemangordon:(16:54
* merlin1991 decapitates MohammadAG16:54
tadzikwas there any idea/attempt to let the pop-up menu, that appears when you hold your finger on something, stay opened until you click someplace else, instead of disappearing when you release the press?16:54
tadzikI hope you know, what I mean16:55
merlin1991MohammadAG: you uploaded the new modest but didn't increase the dependency16:55
merlin1991ffs16:55
freemangordonanyway, it seems we will have a new update soon because of libcurl16:55
freemangordonaah, not again16:55
freemangordon:(16:55
DocScrutinizer05OMG16:55
* merlin1991 also digs for his n900 in his backpack16:55
* freemangordon needs a cigarrette16:56
* DocScrutinizer05 headdesks a little in silent disparation16:56
merlin1991ffs forgot the -testing one in vienna16:56
* merlin1991 headdesks aswell16:56
merlin1991guess I'll test palis ham on friday16:56
int_uaI didn't get, what's wrong with libcurl?16:57
merlin1991ah wait seems gitk fooled me16:58
merlin1991modest dependency is right16:58
* DocScrutinizer05 notices things start to become more and more getting done in a chaotic way on CSSU, and also CSSU at large kinda acts hostile to contributers like jon16:59
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05:  operator-name-cbs-widget (>= 0.2)16:59
merlin1991seems it's in there after all16:59
DocScrutinizer05gooood16:59
merlin1991but alarmd is still mia16:59
* merlin1991 takes back his I take it back and decapitates mag for alarmd instead17:00
RaimuYeah, this is kinda chaotic. Given that it's exam weeks for some of the main staff, it's understandable, but still.17:00
freemangordonint_ua: read the #maemo-ssu tuesday's logs17:00
RaimuHave the new alarmd packages been sufficiently tested on enough maemos? I recall I tried out the alarmd packages from cssu-devel and somehow booting became erratic.17:01
merlin1991Raimu: ours is proper :D17:02
merlin1991though still only sitting in the repo17:02
DocScrutinizer05I'd suggest we revive the good old tradition of triage&discussion meeting here in this chan, once a week17:02
DocScrutinizer05esp prior to rolling out a new rev17:02
merlin1991don't remember that ever being valid for -testing17:03
merlin1991-testing always was when mag packages it and pushes17:03
DocScrutinizer05hmm17:03
merlin1991-stable on the other hand had a few of those ;)17:03
merlin1991now headdesking though17:03
DocScrutinizer05seems to me we should do same SOP for T as well17:03
merlin1991mag finally found the time to sort his depends by alphabet17:04
merlin1991totally ruining my comparison (ie put both lines below each other and look at version numbers :/)17:04
DocScrutinizer05after all it's demanding a bit much of MohammadAG to decide on all that, based solely on his guts feeling and without any help from the rest of the crew17:04
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: any idea how to split a line at "," and sort the result alphabetically in bash?17:06
DocScrutinizer05well, there are tools in unix toolbox17:06
DocScrutinizer05called cut and sort ;-D17:06
merlin1991sort I know17:06
merlin1991cut I never looked at :D17:06
DocScrutinizer05cut -c ","17:07
DocScrutinizer05or sth like that17:08
DocScrutinizer05you'll need to define what to output as well17:08
DocScrutinizer05man cut17:08
DocScrutinizer05split a line might mean several things though17:09
merlin1991I want multiple lines with the split sign removed17:09
DocScrutinizer05you could do sed 's/,/\n/'17:09
merlin1991hm sed doesn't like me17:10
DocScrutinizer05XP17:10
merlin1991ah s only replaces first occurance17:11
int_uayou meant 's/,/\n/g'17:11
DocScrutinizer05echo "aaa, bbb, ccc"|sed 's/,/\n/g'17:11
int_uamerlin1991: add /g in the end17:11
DocScrutinizer05indeed, int_ua17:11
merlin1991yep17:11
merlin1991just found it in seds man17:11
DocScrutinizer05maybe even17:12
DocScrutinizer05echo "aaa, bbb, ccc"|sed 's/, */\n/g'17:12
DocScrutinizer05though for this particular task you also could use tr17:13
DocScrutinizer05;-)17:13
freemangordonI agree with DocScrutinizer05 re a meeting before an update to T, I am not sure MohammadAG follows all the development that has been done sinnce the last one, and it is a bit of a mistery based on what he decides what to include an what not17:14
merlin1991FFS pastebin and their api changes17:14
DocScrutinizer05cat foobar | netcat paste.dyndns.org 123417:14
merlin1991http://paste.debian.net/173298/17:15
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: niiiice :-D17:16
DocScrutinizer05MohammadAG: feel invited to ask for a consulting meeting any time17:16
freemangordonWTF? versions in T are the same as in -devel17:17
DocScrutinizer05MohammadAG: nobody thinks you could or have to do all the followup of all development and decision what to include to T all on your own, esp given the scarce free time when exams are prio one17:18
freemangordonthat is a total mess17:18
merlin1991freemangordon: kidna17:18
merlin1991just like my typing ;)17:18
freemangordonyeah :)17:18
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merlin1991anybody using stuff on my server, it's due to reboot in a few mins ;)17:19
DocScrutinizer05MohammadAG: so pretty please ask for assistance17:19
DocScrutinizer05we all are more than glad to help, and to meet here whenever you find a free timeslot17:19
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merlin1991hm why doesn't shutdown -r 1 return? ;/17:21
DocScrutinizer05shutdown -r 1 ?17:21
DocScrutinizer05what's the 1 meant for?17:21
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DocScrutinizer05minutes til shutdown?17:21
jacekowskitime till shutdown17:22
DocScrutinizer05I only 'know' shutdown -r now17:22
freemangordon:D17:23
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jacekowskiwell, now == 017:23
DocScrutinizer05and 0 == <nil>17:23
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DocScrutinizer05anyway I'd not be surprised messybox doesn't think it has to return from shutdown17:23
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DocScrutinizer05even for shutdown -h 100017:24
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DocScrutinizer05tbh I never use shutdown17:24
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: 1 minute delay17:25
DocScrutinizer05and I recently read a notice in my suse12.1 release-notes that with systemd some shutdown related stuff doesn't allegedly work anymore like it used to17:26
DocScrutinizer05btw, the concept of release-notes seems something worth considering for CSSU as well17:27
DocScrutinizer05a complementary info source to changenotes for end user17:27
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RaimuOr at least writing something in the Debian changelog file. :D17:28
RaimuDocScrutinizer05: Yes, that would be pretty useful.17:28
merlin1991Raimu: changelog file has stuff in it17:30
merlin1991and there are the "release notes" on the wiki which I'm currently writing17:30
freemangordonmerlin1991: re gcc 4.6.2 - pick your best mirror here http://gcc.gnu.org/mirrors.html17:31
int_uaHow do I determine the right Cell Broadcast channel?17:32
merlin1991black magic?17:32
freemangordonnoo, it's white17:32
freemangordonint_ua: AFAIK it is either operator depndent or constant, better ask jonwil about it17:33
freemangordonBTW DocScrutinizer05 may have some knowledge too17:34
Raimumerlin1991, the package's changelog file always tells me facts about 20.2010.36-2maemo1617:34
DocScrutinizer05http://www.suse.de/relnotes/i386/openSUSE/12.2/RELEASE-NOTES.en.html17:34
DocScrutinizer05sth like that17:34
RaimuI didn't mean the wiki.17:34
freemangordonRaimu: which package?17:35
RaimuThe CSSU-t metapackage.17:35
freemangordonok17:35
merlin1991odd17:35
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: (release notes on wiki) I think those are too technical, isn't it just a changelog17:35
DocScrutinizer05?17:35
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: I try to dump it down, remove the technical bits and link to bugs on it17:35
merlin1991*dumb*17:35
merlin1991so basically everything that has no impact on the user isn't in there17:36
DocScrutinizer05mhm, so we actually already got release-notes besides the mere changelog? fine! :-D17:36
DocScrutinizer05int_ua: there are like 999 possible CB-Channels17:37
merlin1991otherwise I could just dump the changelog file into a table structure, which would take far less time ;)17:37
DocScrutinizer05int_ua: none of which (except maybe 0 for an index that no carrier supports) is defined regarding the topic/usage17:37
DocScrutinizer05int_ua: anyway on N900 the modem doesn't *any* selection of CBC, it simply spits out *all* CB-SMS it receives17:39
DocScrutinizer05the actual selection is done on application side17:39
int_uaand they are not being sent on a daily basis to test it, right?17:40
DocScrutinizer05int_ua: so the question you put can only be answered by another question: "right for what?"17:40
DocScrutinizer05int_ua: (daily basis) depends. Channels like 221 on O2 or 50 on TMO which yield location info are (re)sent every other minute. Channels pushing tsunami warnings like done in Philipnes etc are very rarely sendinng any SMS17:42
DocScrutinizer05channels delivering traffic jam info might send on an irregular schedule17:42
DocScrutinizer05channels like weather forecast might send on a daily basis actually, though probably all the latter ones would just *update* the message content and then resend it every minute anyway17:43
DocScrutinizer05CB-SMS are a one-to-many broadcast service without receipt acknowledge17:44
int_uaThanks a lot, Doc :) Now I'm leaving and will play with it later17:45
DocScrutinizer05so you want to resend them for the devices that are switched on or entered cell later17:45
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DocScrutinizer05usually the messages have a version number which is incremented with each content update, and it's duty of application to only shop a popup or whatever once for each new version17:46
DocScrutinizer05s/shop/show/17:47
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: usually the messages have a version number which is incremented with each content update, and it's duty of application to only show a popup or whatever once for each new version17:47
DocScrutinizer05location info like CBC50 never actually gets updated, so app will just show the most recent content all the time17:48
DocScrutinizer05rather the content of location CB-SMS changes from cell to cell17:48
merlin1991http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog#T-maemo417:49
DocScrutinizer05but is statically for each particular cell, so no content update, and no new version number17:49
merlin1991now be happy ;)17:49
DocScrutinizer05\o/17:49
* merlin1991 heads off to close bugs17:49
DocScrutinizer05all hail to merlin199117:49
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: is it wise to close bugs on delivery of the patch? shouldn't they get closed by original reporter confirming the bug got squashed?17:50
merlin1991original reporter never comes back in our case :/17:51
DocScrutinizer05(I know Nokia did different)17:51
DocScrutinizer05doesn't mean we should do like Nokia17:51
merlin1991well I can do just notices with info and let the user close17:52
merlin1991though I suppose that is never going to happen17:52
DocScrutinizer05I'd think a goot moment to close bug tickets is when we decide the patch is stable enough for S17:52
DocScrutinizer05good*17:52
DocScrutinizer05maybe you find a better ticket state than "closed" for those patches that just went into T17:53
DocScrutinizer05maybe "pending closure" or whatever17:53
DocScrutinizer05or "fixed"17:53
merlin1991well at least the cev ones can easily be "fixed"17:54
merlin1991since we did apply the cve fixes :D17:54
DocScrutinizer05"fixed" != "closed"17:55
DocScrutinizer05aiui17:55
merlin1991main states are unconfirmed, new and resolved17:55
DocScrutinizer05ask andre_ about semantics of our maemo tracker ticket states17:55
merlin1991and you can add additional info on resolved like fixed/wontfix/blabla17:56
DocScrutinizer05ooh17:56
DocScrutinizer05nasty17:56
merlin1991incoming bug is unconfirmed, goes to new when we say its valid17:56
merlin1991and after that we can only go to resolved (fixed)17:56
DocScrutinizer05and resolved == closed?17:56
DocScrutinizer05:-/17:57
* DocScrutinizer05 considers that an unnecessarily limited and useless restriction on granularity of ticket states17:58
DocScrutinizer05there are other shemes that have new, analyzing, analyzing done, implementing, implementing done, integrating, integrating done, pending rejection, rejected, closed18:01
DocScrutinizer05analyzing_done == new of our scheme18:02
DocScrutinizer05rejected | closed == resolved (wontfix | fixed) of our scheme18:02
DocScrutinizer05we're missing "integrating" which is exactly the state the T4 related bugs should have now18:03
DocScrutinizer05obviously analyzing is the state a ticket shall get when we look into the problem and try to find out what's the deal. Analyzing done is: we think we know how to fix it - usually immediately changes to implementing when some devel grabs the task.18:06
DocScrutinizer05implementing done: devel pushed his patch to git18:07
DocScrutinizer05integrating: we integrate it into T18:07
DocScrutinizer05integrating done: the new rev of T shipped and is under test18:08
DocScrutinizer05or even - we moved it from T to S18:08
DocScrutinizer05rejecting pending: we think it's invalid or wontfix18:08
DocScrutinizer05rejected and closed as mentioned above18:09
DocScrutinizer05as a bandaid we could add comments "analyzing done: <result of analysis>",  "implementing: added to T4 on 2012-06-06"  etc18:11
DocScrutinizer05s/implementing/integrating/18:12
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: as a bandaid we could add comments "analyzing done: <result of analysis>",  "integrating: added to T4 on 2012-06-06"  etc18:12
DocScrutinizer05"implementing: freemangordon on #maemo-ssu, 2012-05-19 20:34"18:13
DocScrutinizer05even18:13
DocScrutinizer05"implementing: assigned to freemangordon on #maemo-ssu, 2012-05-19 20:34"18:13
freemangordonooh, why me again :(18:14
freemangordon:P18:14
DocScrutinizer05:-)))18:14
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freemangordonmerlin1991: why isn't that closed? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1186118:19
povbot_Bug 11861: Modest does not start18:19
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freemangordonmerlin1991: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12621 :D:D:D18:22
povbot_Bug 12621: sharing-plugin-facebook stopped working18:22
freemangordonclosed wontfix, meh18:22
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: reopen it18:30
DocScrutinizer05set to "integrating: shipping patch for libfbfoo.so with CSSU-T4"18:31
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: can I? Don't think so18:32
DocScrutinizer05if you can't teh tell me, IIRC I can18:32
DocScrutinizer05then*18:32
freemangordonI can't, at least I have NFC how. It is not obvious, so I assume I can't18:33
DocScrutinizer05ok, I'll look into it18:33
freemangordonok, thanks18:33
freemangordonBTW I commented on the bug18:33
freemangordonso, think twice what action you will take18:33
merlin1991also we didn't fix that yet18:34
DocScrutinizer05fsckng verisign issued SSL certs!18:34
merlin1991we only know how to fix it18:34
freemangordonbut that does not render the bug invalid18:34
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: we integrated a fix into T4, no?18:34
freemangordonor wontfix18:34
freemangordonno18:34
merlin1991we did not include18:34
merlin1991we only know that updated libcurl fixes that18:34
DocScrutinizer05ooh, then it's implementing_done18:35
DocScrutinizer05or even implementing18:35
DocScrutinizer05who's assigned?18:35
freemangordonwhatever, it is not "wesolved wontfix"18:35
merlin1991Jaffa: err how does that mwkn twitter interface work wiki page only confuses me :D18:35
freemangordonnobody@maemo.org :D18:35
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: you're working on libcurl?18:36
merlin1991luf or whatshisnick did18:36
freemangordonno, it is a guy who wants it to be included in CSSU18:36
freemangordonyeah, luf18:36
DocScrutinizer05ok, and we didn't include it to our git yet?18:37
freemangordonwe have libcurl on gitorious, but it is older18:37
DocScrutinizer05I.E without patch18:37
freemangordoni.e. stock + a cve patch18:37
freemangordonDocScrutinizer, what we have is a 2008 version, the guy backported the one from wheezy18:38
freemangordon(as you may see, no "u" )18:38
DocScrutinizer05is this cve patch meant to fix the problem of 12621?18:38
freemangordon(or "ku"18:38
freemangordonno18:38
freemangordonit is meant to fix a cve18:38
DocScrutinizer05so we are on "analyzing done"18:38
freemangordonyeah18:39
DocScrutinizer05may I assign it to you, freemangordon?18:39
freemangordonmerlin1991: how you're going to preceed with luf?18:39
freemangordon*proceed18:39
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: NP, just wait for merlin1991's answer18:39
DocScrutinizer05yeah, andre_ empowered me to do this bmo editing18:44
DocScrutinizer05so tell me what this bug' state now18:44
DocScrutinizer05and who's assigned18:44
DocScrutinizer05I'll start here and now to follow augmented ticket state scheme as introduced here before18:45
DocScrutinizer05also please tell me whom to assign the ticket to18:45
Raimu:)18:47
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: got a pointer to details about analysis of the libcurl problem?18:51
DocScrutinizer05chanlog?18:51
freemangordon#maemo-ssu log from Monday18:51
DocScrutinizer05:nod:18:51
freemangordons/from/on/18:51
infobotfreemangordon meant: #maemo-ssu log on Monday18:51
DocScrutinizer05could you spot the proper line?18:51
DocScrutinizer05for a link in BMO18:52
freemangordonhmm, NFC how to do that through the browser, any hint?18:52
merlin1991click it18:53
freemangordonotherwise the conversaton starts with "Hi all. I have a question regarding curl. I updated the package to the debian testint curl-7.25.0 and created it in extras-devel (libcurl3 also in testing)."18:53
merlin1991the timestamp18:53
merlin1991freemangordon: when luf comes back here when I'm around we surely will procedd :D18:54
freemangordonmerlin1991, aah, stupid me, (or better said blind me)18:54
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: click on timestamp right hand18:54
freemangordonhttp://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/%23maemo-ssu.2012-06-04.log.html#t2012-06-04T20:53:3218:54
DocScrutinizer05thanks18:54
freemangordonmerlin1991: I will PM him to join and hang here18:54
freemangordonmerlin1991: BTW edited some typos in changelog18:55
merlin1991thanks :)18:55
freemangordonhmm dosfstool initial release?18:56
freemangordonisn't that ubuntu upstream release?18:56
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: what's your BMO name?18:56
freemangordonlet me check18:56
merlin1991freemangordon: initial as in first time in cssu18:57
merlin1991anything in the changelog called intial release is new to cssu18:58
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: Ivaylo Dimitrov18:58
freemangordonand my mail is freemangordon@abv.bg18:58
DocScrutinizer05changing component to "testing"18:59
freemangordonmerlin1991: sure, but it sounds like me and you wrote a piece of software end put it in CSSU, I think we should give a hint it is an upstream thingie included in CSSU18:59
DocScrutinizer05err "version"18:59
freemangordonmerlin1991: and libcurl does not have "initial release" :P19:01
DocScrutinizer05what's "component"?19:01
freemangordon~component19:01
infobotKControl -> KDE Components -> Component Chooser19:01
DocScrutinizer05"general"?19:01
freemangordonwhat are the options?19:02
DocScrutinizer05canera-ui, ..., hildon-home, ..., modest, ...19:02
freemangordoncurl19:02
DocScrutinizer05not available19:03
freemangordonadd it19:03
freemangordonit is a part of CSSU sisnce T419:03
freemangordons/sisnce/since/19:03
infobotfreemangordon meant: it is a part of CSSU since T419:03
DocScrutinizer05there's libcptvout and stuff, but nothing about curl19:04
freemangordonI thing everything which is on gitorious should have it's component on bmo-cssu19:04
freemangordon*think19:04
DocScrutinizer05seems I can't add components19:04
freemangordonpester andre then19:04
DocScrutinizer05meh, 'general' has to do19:04
freemangordonit does not make sence to put such a major library in "general"19:05
DocScrutinizer05there's no other option for me right now19:08
DocScrutinizer05if you can come up with a better suggestion, don't hesitate19:09
freemangordonok, if there is no option...19:09
DocScrutinizer05check the changes to 12621, tell me what you want to have changed, i'll see if I can do19:09
freemangordonunconfirmed?19:11
freemangordonwell, I can change it now19:12
DocScrutinizer05only option from the previous state19:12
DocScrutinizer05confirm it19:12
freemangordonnah, I can only resolve it :D19:12
merlin1991freemangordon: just add a few notes to "initial relaese"19:12
DocScrutinizer05well, our "internal state" is @@analyzing_done@@19:13
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: could you change the bug status to confirmed or something?19:13
freemangordonmerlin1991: ok19:13
merlin1991new == confirmed19:14
DocScrutinizer05new assigned resoved19:14
DocScrutinizer05assigned seems the right state19:14
freemangordonyep19:14
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kent_autisticis there an update on testing? HAM showed nothing19:31
merlin1991kent_autistic: there should be19:33
merlin1991dpkg -l mp-fremantle-community-pr19:33
freemangordonRaimu, I find the reason for that missing symbol, the mangling of ‘va_list’ has changed in GCC 4.419:33
freemangordonNow need to find the way to overcome it19:33
kent_autisticmerlin1991: nothing still19:35
freemangordonkent_autistic: strange, i've just upgraded19:35
kent_autisticargh ok il update ham again19:36
kent_autistic GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 6713C33F3F027BB119:37
freemangordonignore that19:37
RaimuOK!19:37
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kent_autisticyup, still nothing in HAM19:38
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amiconnDocScrutinizer05: There is some way to change behaviour of power-button double click when locked. I don't know how it works, but I eSpeakTime triggers on that event21:23
amiconns/but I/but/21:24
infobotamiconn meant: DocScrutinizer05: There is some way to change behaviour of power-button double click when locked. I don't know how it works, but eSpeakTime triggers on that event21:24
DocScrutinizer05mhm21:25
DocScrutinizer05so it probably hooks into lockscreen directly21:25
amiconnSounds plausible. Actually it doesn't trigger on double click, but on click-while-lockscreen-is-shown21:27
amiconnSo by triple (or more) clicking it's possible to create nice echo effects (time spoken twice or more in parallel with slight offset(s))21:29
freemangordonmerlin1991: something is not working in thumb repo, daemon maybe :)21:36
merlin1991dang21:36
merlin1991forgot to add that to the init scripts21:36
merlin1991coming right up21:37
freemangordonmerlin1991, everything for -pr thing should be ready in -thumb21:37
merlin1991freemangordon: should be running21:37
freemangordonnope21:38
freemangordonnothing moves21:38
merlin1991ofc, since only a new .changes file would trigger an import ;)21:38
freemangordonmerlin1991 ^^^21:38
merlin1991doing it manually now21:38
freemangordonaah21:38
merlin1991done21:39
freemangordonok, let me de apt-get update-upgrade21:40
freemangordon*do21:40
freemangordonseems ok21:43
freemangordonmerlin1991: I am getting older, it is proven. Forgot to add -I.git to dpkg-buildpackage command, tar.gz is 500MB  :|21:45
freemangordonRaimu: ping21:46
RaimuReporting.21:46
freemangordonenable -thumb repo and do apt-get update/upgrade, a new Qt should be installed, fixing presencevnc21:47
merlin1991freemangordon: outch21:47
freemangordonyeah :(21:47
Raimufreemangordon: Okay! I'll see it tomorrow.21:48
Raimu(It's 10 in the evening here now)21:48
freemangordonRaimu: ok21:48
freemangordonhere too :)21:48
Raimufreemangordon, which country're you in?21:49
freemangordonBulgaria21:49
freemangordon21:45 more precisely21:49
RaimuYup.21:49
RaimuYou're "under" Finland, south, in the same time zone bracket.21:49
freemangordonRaimu: yeah. BTW i tried presencevnc here, it works (i.e. no myssing symbol), spits "unable to connect"21:50
RaimuGood!21:50
freemangordons/myssing/missing/21:50
infobotfreemangordon meant: Raimu: yeah. BTW i tried presencevnc here, it works (i.e. no missing symbol), spits "unable to connect"21:50
freemangordonyeah21:51
freemangordonthere was one more function like that, fixed it too21:51
Palinow somebody (from nokia?) commited some patches to *fremantle* evolution git repo, see: https://maemo.gitorious.org/eds-fremantle21:52
Paliwhat does this mean?21:53
freemangordonN960 with maemo521:54
freemangordon:P21:54
Pali:D:D21:54
freemangordonphonebook-benchmarks? WTF?21:54
PaliI have no idea21:54
freemangordonPali: http://www.openismus.com/21:58
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: hm?21:59
freemangordonhttps://gitorious.org/~hasselmm21:59
freemangordonso it is not nokia21:59
DocScrutinizer05what's up with openismus?22:00
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: check the link on gitorious that pali gave22:00
DocScrutinizer05(a 'branch of' qi-hardware, which in turn is the legitimate successor of openmoko)22:00
DocScrutinizer05ooh wait, maybe i was TOTALLY wrong about openismus22:02
DocScrutinizer05actually it seems to me now on second thought openismus been one of the contractors of Nokia for 2nd source sw components22:03
DocScrutinizer05so this suggests sth going on inside Nokia to reuse parts of maemo for22:04
freemangordonmeltemi?22:05
DocScrutinizer05aka asha22:05
freemangordonit is s4022:05
DocScrutinizer05as ieatlint mentioned on #harmattan22:05
freemangordonasha is s4022:06
DocScrutinizer05yup, that's what he said22:06
DocScrutinizer05but what do you expect mel-me turns out to be in the end?22:06
DocScrutinizer05melt-me even22:06
freemangordonyeah, I like melt-me more22:07
freemangordon:D22:07
freemangordonyou think they will use hildon again?22:07
DocScrutinizer05[07.06.2012 19:52:54] <ieatlint> i bet asha gets qt dev...22:08
freemangordonas Qt is too heavy for low-end22:08
freemangordonbut what EDS has to do with that22:08
DocScrutinizer05nfc22:08
DocScrutinizer05clutching together some semi-oparable "desktop" aka set-of-applications?22:09
freemangordonmerlin1991, DocScrutinizer05: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1219110&postcount=155622:11
freemangordonI think we should put new libcurl in CSSU ASAP22:13
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: post the link to the ticket22:13
DocScrutinizer05as that seems the best thing to do with such link :-D22:14
freemangordonlet me try to find it22:14
DocScrutinizer05set ticket to @@implementing@@22:14
DocScrutinizer05as it's actually you who are assigned, and thus you're the one naturally allowed to post "@@implementing@@" to the ticket22:15
DocScrutinizer05then eventually posz @@implementing_done@@ foo.git.bar/maemo/cssu/887d8d9838z98398983s22:15
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: it is a duplicate22:16
freemangordonbut need some time to find the report22:16
freemangordonhttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=994322:17
povbot_Bug 9943: MfE Wizard fails if exchange server hostname has IPv4 and IPv6 addresses22:17
DocScrutinizer05mark it as duplicate of 1262122:17
freemangordonI cannot22:17
DocScrutinizer05*sigh*22:18
DocScrutinizer05i guess i can22:18
freemangordonyep22:18
freemangordonI am wondering how many bugs are opened that are a duplicate to that22:19
DocScrutinizer05nfc22:21
DocScrutinizer05toss then all over to me ;-D22:21
freemangordonmaybe https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1049022:21
povbot_Bug 10490: MfE account creation: Invalid host - certificate issue22:21
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freemangordonand maybe https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1163822:24
povbot_Bug 11638: HTTPS doesn't work with IPv622:24
freemangordonhmm, scratch that22:24
freemangordonmost probably not22:24
DocScrutinizer05I'm undecided about 10490, wouldn't want to outright close as duplicate22:25
freemangordonyeah, agree22:25
DocScrutinizer05maybe annotate it's probably dup of 1262122:25
freemangordon:nod:22:25
DocScrutinizer05will you do?22:25
DocScrutinizer05it's your finding after all22:25
freemangordonno, you'd better do it22:26
DocScrutinizer05ok22:27
DocScrutinizer05done22:29
DocScrutinizer05yeah, scratch 1163822:41
DocScrutinizer05so I'm out of business for today22:42
DocScrutinizer05;-D22:42
freemangordon:D22:42
DocScrutinizer05lol22:42
DocScrutinizer05>>Mid-air collision detected!<<22:43
DocScrutinizer05back in browser22:43
DocScrutinizer05>>Someone else has made changes to bug 9943 at the same time you were trying to. The changes made were:<<22:43
povbot_Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/9943 MfE Wizard fails if exchange server hostname has IPv4 and IPv6 addresses22:43
Atariihey freemangordon, i'm the guy who was chatting about MfE yesterday23:34
Atariinow upgrading libcurl323:34
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Atariifreemangordon upgraded libcurl3 doesn't seem to fix it23:47
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