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| DocScrutinizer | please check nicocam regarding http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-04-04.log.html#t2012-04-04T12:23:23 | 13:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | >> <thresh> camera application on n900, taking minutes to "save" a photo after taking it | 13:59 |
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| Pali | merlin1991, upgrading/removing/purging operator cbs widget could be fixed here: https://gitorious.org/~pali/community-ssu/pali-operator-name-cbs-widget | 16:18 |
| Pali | But I did not tested it yet | 16:19 |
| Pali | I fixed problems in debian/[pre|post].* scripts which removing libsms.so.0.0.0.0 library from maemo system | 16:19 |
| Pali | Ok, I tested it and working fine | 16:43 |
| Pali | also upgrading from previous version working without problem | 16:43 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer, can you test you too? | 16:44 |
| Pali | at least someone other should test compiling, installing, upgrading and removing... | 16:45 |
| Pali | I updated libconnui-dev package: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/libconnui-dev small fix for compiling and cleaning | 16:46 |
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| ivgalvez | Pali: ping | 18:02 |
| ivgalvez | Freemangordon: ping | 18:03 |
| ivgalvez | X-Fade is actually active in TMO and he's fixing some of the problems with package promotion | 18:03 |
| ivgalvez | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1187982#post1187982 | 18:03 |
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| freemangordon | Pali, i've compiled and installed this "cbs" thing, should there be some change (besides new control panel entry)? | 20:13 |
| Pali | working cell broadcast sms | 20:14 |
| Pali | if you mean my patches... | 20:14 |
| freemangordon | yeah, that is what i mean | 20:14 |
| Pali | ...then working install, upgrade, remove and purgeä | 20:14 |
| freemangordon | well, install is working :) | 20:15 |
| freemangordon | "cell broadcast sms"? | 20:15 |
| Pali | after installing is still needed reboot | 20:15 |
| Pali | operator widget is replaced by new | 20:15 |
| freemangordon | you mean my MNO now can spam my n900? | 20:15 |
| Pali | which show cellular info | 20:15 |
| freemangordon | what kind of info? | 20:16 |
| Pali | often location | 20:16 |
| freemangordon | i have only MNO name | 20:16 |
| freemangordon | is this a desktop widget? | 20:16 |
| Pali | enable it via control panel | 20:16 |
| Pali | no it is in widget which show operator name | 20:17 |
| Pali | also enable logs | 20:17 |
| Pali | for more info ask Doc or jonwil | 20:17 |
| freemangordon | i've enabled them, ant it writes some information | 20:17 |
| freemangordon | *and | 20:17 |
| freemangordon | well, only my operator name | 20:18 |
| freemangordon | and cell id in the other log file | 20:18 |
| freemangordon | maybe my MNO does not broadcast messages? | 20:18 |
| Pali | could be | 20:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 3G never does, you'll need 2G | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | afaik | 21:57 |
| freemangordon | I am on 2G most of the time, battery life, you know :) | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | even on 2G odds are your provider doesn't any SMSCB | 21:57 |
| freemangordon | yeah, it seems so | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | if in doubt, use my smscb.py | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | unlike the widget, it will show all channels | 21:58 |
| freemangordon | nah, I think everything is fine, I have logs, but nothing more in them but cell id and operator name | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | or simply do dbus-monitor --system|grep smscb | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 21:59 |
| freemangordon | but it will take one more to test it, as i cannot confirm cell boadcast actually works | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | I have no smscb on chan50 here either | 22:00 |
| freemangordon | well, at least nothing seems to be broken so far :D | 22:01 |
| * amiconn never received a single cell broadcast in 10 > years, despite having reception enabled on all his previous phones (which were 2G only) | 22:02 | |
| DocScrutinizer | amiconn: on which channels? | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | you need to select channels you want to receive | 22:04 |
| amiconn | Umm, I selected several. Don't remember which ones though | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 22:04 |
| amiconn | Iirc I even enabled all of them for a while | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess that'S rather impossible on usual phones | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | though I'm not sure, as I only got one channel that actually sends smscb | 22:05 |
| Pali | meeting now? | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh! | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn, completely forgot about that | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | but nm, I'm here | 22:06 |
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| Pali | ping merlin1991 freemangordon MohammadAG | 22:07 |
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| Pali | DocScrutinizer, what about renaming cbs widget package name to its orignal nokia widget package "connui-home-cellular" ? | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably, as it replaces that one, no? | 22:11 |
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| Pali | yes it replace orginal | 22:12 |
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| Pali | and cbs messages can be enabled/disabled via hildon control panel | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | please don't expect any well thought decisions on relevant topics from me today - I'm ill | 22:14 |
| Pali | ok | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | my gut feeling says you're right with your idea | 22:14 |
| Pali | and meeting? postpone it to next week? | 22:15 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer, I will modify debian/* files for cbs widget git repo | 22:16 |
| freemangordon | Pali, do you have any clue why we have yet another entry in control panel for cbs widget, isn't "Phone" control panel entry the correct place? | 22:16 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, the same question | 22:16 |
| Pali | because phone entry is closed source plugin | 22:17 |
| freemangordon | so? is it so hard to re? | 22:17 |
| Pali | if you have time you can do RE it | 22:17 |
| Pali | new entry was created by jonwil | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | no entry to control panel for smscb, needs to go to probably phone | 22:18 |
| freemangordon | ok, but we should have decided it first, that this is the right place, put that in tasks, etc | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | or to cssu | 22:18 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer :nod: | 22:18 |
| freemangordon | no, phone is the correct place | 22:19 |
| freemangordon | AIUI | 22:19 |
| Pali | I think the best position could be in phone entry in network submenu (after choosing GSM/3G or roaming) | 22:19 |
| freemangordon | absolutely | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, as is "display" for all orientation and transition things | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | cssu being the catch-all for that stuff that is hard to place where it belongs | 22:21 |
| freemangordon | with those "logging" entries not visible, but controlable through gconf | 22:21 |
| Pali | and creating logs checkbox I think should not be visible to end-users | 22:21 |
| freemangordon | :D | 22:21 |
| freemangordon | yep | 22:21 |
| Pali | yes | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | make it gconfkey, controllable via cssu-settings APP | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | after all it's just enabling a augmented property of CSSU, AIUI | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | nobody needs to switch this every day, or even every month, eh? | 22:23 |
| freemangordon | cssu-settings-to-be APP? :D | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | tbh I don't mind, as long as it doesn't crowd the already crowded settings main menu | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, there's that cssu-settings button in my settings system menu | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | and then there's that other "app" that iirc shows up in powerbutton menu | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | "CSSU Features" | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | and "CSSU tuner" in settings | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | and pretty please no new button in system-menu | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, there's that cssu-settings button in my settings menu | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pali: all for phone menu, if it's feasible | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | but then I'd request a way to also choose channel there | 22:30 |
| Pali | ok, widget can be changed for configuring logs & channel via gconf | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | and choose other channels (possible a set of) for diverting all msgs to a SMS thread named like the channel | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | just in case anybody was able to parse that last post ;-D | 22:32 |
| freemangordon | yeah, but that would mean integration with telepathy | 22:32 |
| Pali | configurable channel list | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | really? | 22:32 |
| freemangordon | I think so | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | do we need telepathy to fake inbound SMS? | 22:33 |
| Pali | or only one channel? | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pali: set of chan, aka list | 22:33 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, nfc actually | 22:33 |
| Pali | no, please not create fake sms to telepathy | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | just add them to the eventsdb? | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds fine for me | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | and have a way to decide for each channel if you want a notifier or not, when new SMS comes in | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | icing on top: have a setting how many "old" "SMS" you want to keep for that chan | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | as for e.g. the chan50 location/homezone thingy, you want only last SMSCB stored, and you also usually don't want a notifier on "new" smscb coming in | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw the definition of "new" is tricky here | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess/think they have some serial number or sth | 22:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's supposed to change when content is changing | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | \o/ javispedro | 22:39 |
| freemangordon | hi | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: hi! | 22:39 |
| javispedro | mo. | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | for other SMSCB like e.g. traffic jam msgs you might want to keep last 24h, or last 10 msgs | 22:40 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, sounds very good, but lets leave that as an enhancement, first todo is RE phone control panel plugin | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | and you might want to have notifier with all the chrome, when a new one comes in | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 22:41 |
| freemangordon | so at least we have a consistent UI with the option to control sms broadcast messages | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm actually wondering where everybody got MIA today | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, "everybody" | 22:41 |
| freemangordon | proly watching the drama on TMO :D | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 22:42 |
| freemangordon | hmm, tragedy or drama, not sure | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | ??? | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | even worse than usual? | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | some particular topic? | 22:42 |
| freemangordon | yeah, council election and repo problems | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | (you know I don't check for new or active threads, even when I eventually visit tmo) | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 22:43 |
| freemangordon | well, those worth to be checked | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | ugh | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | linkie or it won't happen | 22:44 |
| freemangordon | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83398 | 22:44 |
| freemangordon | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83441 | 22:45 |
| freemangordon | the good news is that X-Fade is alive | 22:45 |
| javispedro | I think that you're exaggerating | 22:45 |
| freemangordon | as in? | 22:46 |
| javispedro | "uncontactable" part | 22:46 |
| freemangordon | nope, I am not | 22:46 |
| javispedro | I've had to avoid him twice or thrice | 22:46 |
| javispedro | because he once asked me to investigate some aegis packaging issues and I am yet to do that.. | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | BWAHAHA | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-P | 22:46 |
| freemangordon | sorry that I have to tell that, but there were days both me and Pali wer pinging him ten and more times a day | 22:47 |
| freemangordon | several days, one after another | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | weeks | 22:47 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | he's non-existent for maemo | 22:47 |
| freemangordon | javispedro, you can check #maemo logs if you have time and will, I am not exaggerating | 22:48 |
| freemangordon | :( | 22:48 |
| javispedro | meh, he might be avoiding all of you =) | 22:48 |
| freemangordon | yeah, that is for sure | 22:48 |
| freemangordon | but I have no clue why | 22:48 |
| Pali | kernel-power v50 is still not in extras-devel maemo.org package interface | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | he definitely got me on his /ignore, since I called aegis a spawn from hell | 22:48 |
| freemangordon | Pali, we know that | 22:48 |
| freemangordon | javispedro, I have absolutely no clue what reason could X-Fade have to blacklist me | 22:49 |
| freemangordon | besides me being CSSU developer and kernel-power co-maintainer | 22:50 |
| freemangordon | The same for Pali | 22:50 |
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| javispedro | meh, and why does it fail every so often | 22:52 |
| freemangordon | it? which one? | 22:53 |
| javispedro | "kernel-power" | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | fail? what fails? | 22:54 |
| javispedro | to get into the packages list | 22:54 |
| freemangordon | so often? well, I wouldn't call every 3-4 months often, but that is not the point. Ever since the maintainership was given to Pali, it is the same. | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry for being obtuse | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | ill :-S | 22:54 |
| javispedro | I am the one being obtuse, I fail to see why that package is "special" | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's somehow stuck in repo propagation process | 22:55 |
| freemangordon | I *suspect* it is because there is aome mess in the DB re who is the maintainer of the packages, but without having access to that DB, you know. | 22:55 |
| freemangordon | s/aome/some/ | 22:56 |
| infobot | freemangordon meant: I *suspect* it is because there is some mess in the DB re who is the maintainer of the packages, but without having access to that DB, you know. | 22:56 |
| freemangordon | can prove nothing | 22:56 |
| javispedro | hard to say, it would not be intermittent problem then. | 22:57 |
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| freemangordon | the other reason could be that it takes several rties to successfuly upload kernel-power source to autobuilder, and by the time it finally lends there, the DB is already fcked up | 22:57 |
| freemangordon | I saw a bug against autobuilder re some timeout issue | 22:57 |
| freemangordon | but it is marced as RESOLVED FIXED or something | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | quite possible | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess autobuilder checks for new files every 30min. If the pkg isn't complete by that time, fsckup may result | 22:59 |
| freemangordon | anyway, my guesses does not help much | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 22:59 |
| javispedro | untrue, people used to build webkit here | 22:59 |
| freemangordon | that is bigger AFAIK | 22:59 |
| freemangordon | some 60M | 22:59 |
| javispedro | webkit is like an order of magnitude larger than the kernel in build time at least (C++) | 23:00 |
| javispedro | it took a day or so | 23:00 |
| freemangordon | I am talking about upload time, not build time | 23:00 |
| freemangordon | anyway, those are wild guesses which change nothing | 23:01 |
| javispedro | unless you are uploading the .dsc first, there should be no problem either.. | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm afk, please ping me several times in a row, when sth up that I could contribute | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: :nod: exactly my thought | 23:01 |
| freemangordon | javispedro, how am i supposed to know which exactly file is uploaded first while using autobuilder web iface | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's maybe the point | 23:02 |
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| javispedro | heh, using a lousy http upload for a 60 MiB file? =) | 23:02 |
| javispedro | but the web interface should do the right thing too | 23:02 |
| freemangordon | wel, i don't see any filesize restriction :) | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe it doesn't, and former KP pkgs got uploaded another way | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe this maybe that maybe I'm afk now | 23:03 |
| freemangordon | BTW it is Pali who uploads the packages, I have no clue which method he is using | 23:03 |
| freemangordon | I've tried only once, never being able to finish | 23:04 |
| Pali | scp | 23:04 |
| Pali | with dput | 23:04 |
| freemangordon | so long for the web interface theory :) | 23:04 |
| Pali | I uploaded more packages to autobuilder, but only kp is problematic | 23:04 |
| javispedro | there was never web interface theory, but now there is dput theory =) | 23:05 |
| freemangordon | you mean .dsc one? | 23:05 |
| javispedro | yep | 23:05 |
| freemangordon | Pali ^^^ | 23:05 |
| Pali | dput changes | 23:06 |
| Pali | I'm also uploading packages to ubunut launchpad PPAs with same method | 23:06 |
| Pali | and no problem too | 23:07 |
| javispedro | (and this reminds me that I should introduce the topic of moving to other autobuilder implementation to the council thread -- obs, launchpad, anything other than cauldron | 23:08 |
| javispedro | ) | 23:08 |
| freemangordon | well, I think sd69 somehow brought the topic(and it was burried between posts), but might be in mistake | 23:10 |
| Pali | launchpad could be good choose, becuase of copying easy ubuntu packages.... but armel builds are not for all users | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr .oO(???) | 23:12 |
| Pali | launchpad support only x86 and amd64 repositories (armel is only for ubuntu/cannonical people) | 23:14 |
| javispedro | that sounds policy, probably could be changed | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | chnge where, why? | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | by whom? | 23:17 |
| javispedro | good questions | 23:17 |
| javispedro | (except the why? one ;P ) | 23:17 |
| javispedro | I'm surprised that the council debate has brought up some surges in activity, for all Maemo devices | 23:19 |
| javispedro | I've handled maintainership for 6 of my previous Fremantle packages in the last two weeks (0 during the rest of the year) | 23:19 |
| Pali | problem with armel repos on launchpad is that armel builders are devirtualized | 23:19 |
| Pali | they do not have proper virtual infrastructure | 23:19 |
| javispedro | dunno what virtual is =) | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno what launchpad is | 23:21 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: Ubuntu's "maemo.org Garage", "maemo.org Packages", bugzilla, autobuilder, and probably several other crap in a all-in-one package | 23:24 |
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| freemangordon | this is getting ridiculous (council thread i mean) :( | 23:31 |
| javispedro | hey, I wanted to self-nominate too | 23:32 |
| javispedro | (who I am kidding? =) ) | 23:33 |
| freemangordon | javispedro, what is stopping you? | 23:33 |
| javispedro | work :( | 23:34 |
| javispedro | back when I was a council member I realize that one is actually more productive outside the council; the only thing being in the council helps with is getting to know the people. | 23:35 |
| javispedro | *I realized | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, maybe a few good people in council, that have little time to do work - still way better than no council at all | 23:55 |
| freemangordon | How is that different to CSSU? :) | 23:55 |
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