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| merlin1991 | about kenrel | 00:01 |
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| freemangordon | which one? | 00:02 |
| merlin1991 | problem is, that the maemo webpage does not recognise epochs | 00:02 |
| javispedro | pwned-kernel | 00:02 |
| freemangordon | so? | 00:02 |
| merlin1991 | so ever since there was an epoch added to the kernel-power version shit has been flyin | 00:02 |
| freemangordon | Pali said he is using dput | 00:02 |
| freemangordon | you mean package iface? | 00:03 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991,, how do you know that? | 00:03 |
| merlin1991 | yep | 00:03 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: X-Fade told me :D | 00:03 |
| freemangordon | aah | 00:04 |
| freemangordon | javispedro ^^^ | 00:04 |
| javispedro | but packages interface is completely separate from the repo? | 00:04 |
| javispedro | does it enter the repo? | 00:04 |
| freemangordon | yes | 00:04 |
| javispedro | aaaaaaaaaa | 00:04 |
| javispedro | ah wait | 00:04 |
| javispedro | there were two problems | 00:04 |
| merlin1991 | pacakge interface is the one that handles promoten from devel -> testing -> extras | 00:04 |
| javispedro | the first one was that it required a few tries to actually build, which is a cauldron problem | 00:04 |
| freemangordon | yep | 00:04 |
| javispedro | the second one is that even if succesfully built it does not get into packages interface... | 00:05 |
| freemangordon | and once build you cannot see it in -devel | 00:05 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 00:05 |
| merlin1991 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power/ still claims that power49 is in -devel even though power50 is in -devel | 00:05 |
| freemangordon | -devel as repo | 00:05 |
| javispedro | but it is not true | 00:06 |
| javispedro | the packages interface does handle epoch | 00:06 |
| merlin1991 | X-Fade told me that the version comparison algorithm of the package interface does not handle epoch | 00:06 |
| javispedro | http://trac.midgard-project.org/browser/branches/ragnaroek/midcom/org.maemo.packages/handler/repository/repository.php#L744 | 00:07 |
| javispedro | I see epoch right there | 00:08 |
| merlin1991 | well nfc then | 00:09 |
| merlin1991 | fact is the interface does not show the latest version in the repo | 00:14 |
| javispedro | but it does not show it anywhere, not even in the logs | 00:15 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 00:15 |
| merlin1991 | yet it still *is* there http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel-power/ | 00:16 |
| freemangordon | you cans see autobuilder logs, that it has successfuly finished the build process | 00:16 |
| merlin1991 | I also find it interesting how everybody is on about the "cssu" issue, but nobody actually explained yet what it really is | 00:17 |
| freemangordon | besides me :) | 00:17 |
| merlin1991 | (in the council and other tmo threads) | 00:17 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: I must have missed that post | 00:17 |
| freemangordon | but it seems I am not famous neither "old member" enough so someone to read my posts and take them seriously. :D | 00:18 |
| merlin1991 | can you link me? | 00:19 |
| freemangordon | just a minute | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 00:20 |
| freemangordon | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1187613&postcount=39 | 00:20 |
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| freemangordon | merlin1991 ^^^ | 00:27 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: thanks | 00:27 |
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| merlin1991 | freemangordon: ping | 13:34 |
| Jaffa | merlin1991: So you're not fully aware of what the "CSSU issue" is either? | 13:50 |
| merlin1991 | Jaffa: I am | 13:50 |
| merlin1991 | I meant that tmo isn't | 13:50 |
| Jaffa | Ah | 13:50 |
| Jaffa | Well, it's still been badly communicated. | 13:50 |
| merlin1991 | it's never been communicated afaik | 13:50 |
| Jaffa | The CSSU project never came forward publicly to say "we have issue X, we think Y would solve it, but..." maemo-developers, as the official mailing list, would've been the right place. | 13:51 |
| merlin1991 | the problem is that the upload to the repo is tied to 1 garage account (mags) and therefore to 1 set of rsa keys, which makes it impossible to release stuff if said person is missing | 13:51 |
| merlin1991 | We had several talks with X-Fade where he said that the current infrastructure works in a way that only 1 account will work, and that it "needs work" | 13:52 |
| Jaffa | But before that there's a public discussion to be had about who should be CSSU -testing and -stable gatekeepers, and the process around that. | 13:53 |
| * merlin1991 wonders what the result of that would be | 13:54 | |
| Jaffa | ...involving the current stakeholders. | 13:54 |
| merlin1991 | since for pretty much any process that would make for proper qa we don't have enough people | 13:54 |
| merlin1991 | we're atm 4 guys who do stuff for cssu | 13:54 |
| merlin1991 | not exactly the basis to have a lot of qa and defined processes that by definition take time | 13:55 |
| Jaffa | merlin1991: An agreement with MAG etc that you (say) should also be able to upload to -testing but that $USER will be the only user who can push to -stable. Once there's a defined set of people, there's an obvious workaround: there's a new garage account set up with shared keys (whilst a backlog item is added to the repo to allow multiple pushing) | 13:55 |
| Jaffa | merlin1991: Right, but if there're no processes people can't then complain that $RANDOM_REQUEST_ON_IRC isn't finished by $RANDOM_TIME_NO_ONE_AGREED_TO | 13:56 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 13:56 |
| merlin1991 | well atm we've got your proposed intermediate setup in place | 13:56 |
| Jaffa | Right. So what's the "CSSU issue"? AFAIK, ultimately, it's that MAG set up a project but got a bit busy and a whole bunch of users got very upset whilst a few developers were constructively still pushing changes to git. | 13:57 |
| Jaffa | Said users not realising that, perhaps, a small delay isn't the end of the world (especially since it's still far faster than Nokia's own release processes) | 13:57 |
| merlin1991 | that's it, plus the problem in infrastucture that does not allow us to actually have a second person to upload stuff | 13:58 |
| merlin1991 | only it wasn't a small delay | 13:58 |
| Jaffa | merlin1991: Except it does if you have a shared account | 13:58 |
| merlin1991 | Mag was Mia for a month or 2 | 13:58 |
| merlin1991 | Jaffa: but it's not proper | 13:58 |
| merlin1991 | there should be distinctive accounts for everyone who can upload | 13:58 |
| merlin1991 | simply for matters of transparency when something goes wrong | 13:59 |
| Jaffa | merlin1991: So what? You've got 4 people and limited QA anyway. Separate accounts gives better accountability, but again - you can fix that with process (e.g. sign some random file in the package with your private RSA key) | 13:59 |
| merlin1991 | I don't want to sit here and discuss the fallout of of $someone uploaded to -testing some foobar and now we want to know who | 13:59 |
| Jaffa | merlin1991: Right; but the problem is that the community (through SD69) just seems to organise occasional meetings and throw tasks at X-Fade without any public prioritisation. I agree with his assessment he's perhaps been too focused on apps.formeego.org, and that the allocated resource to Maemo needs to be used. | 14:01 |
| merlin1991 | hm wrong wording I meant I don't want to sit here having to deal wit hthe fallout of ... | 14:01 |
| Jaffa | However, that the Council can't present a list of the current backlog is a problem. | 14:01 |
| merlin1991 | well currently there is no council | 14:01 |
| Jaffa | Especially since all the code is open source and if anyone *really* needed to, could scratch their own itch. And then the task for X-Fade is to support. | 14:01 |
| merlin1991 | there's just SD69 who happened to get active towards the end of the period | 14:02 |
| Jaffa | Indeed; but that seems to be being discussed on TMO as *Nokia*'s fault. | 14:02 |
| Jaffa | It's the community's fault for not stepping up. | 14:02 |
| merlin1991 | well I don't represent $tmo_opinon :D | 14:02 |
| merlin1991 | but you're right about the backlog, there needs to be a list of problems with attached priorities | 14:03 |
| merlin1991 | but about open source code of mame.org I didn't know that | 14:03 |
| merlin1991 | when javispedro posted a link in here the other day it was the first time ever I saw it | 14:03 |
| Jaffa | merlin1991: It's not massively discussed because so few people ever contributed (e.g. during the phases of hectic development on maemo.org, despite repeated calls for volunteers with CSS; PHP; ... no-one really came forward) | 14:04 |
| Jaffa | I think I submitted a patch (or at least an architecture) for something around karma calculation in 2007/2008. | 14:04 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991, pong | 14:12 |
| merlin1991 | I lost my note regarding l10n re :$ | 14:12 |
| merlin1991 | got the tool name for me again? :D | 14:12 |
| freemangordon | hahahaha :D. you promised to have a backup note. anyway, it is msgunfmt. | 14:13 |
| merlin1991 | well it is in my logs | 14:13 |
| merlin1991 | though easier to just ask the man :D | 14:13 |
| freemangordon | yeah :) | 14:14 |
| freemangordon | what's going on with the next -testing update, any responce frm mag? | 14:14 |
| merlin1991 | got email yesterday that he'll show up here today | 14:15 |
| freemangordon | good, good, after all it seems miracles happen :D | 14:15 |
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| Pali | merlin1991, freemangordon, DocScrutinizer: I added support for cbs widget and control panel to change channel number | 15:58 |
| Pali | Code in my git repo: https://gitorious.org/~pali/community-ssu/pali-operator-name-cbs-widget | 15:59 |
| Pali | I'm testing it now, if there are no problems, I will push it to cssu repo | 16:00 |
| freemangordon | ok | 16:06 |
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| Pali | seems, that working fine | 16:22 |
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| freemangordon | Pali, I am going to RE phone control panel applet, maybe it is better to wait until I finish, as your code should be integrated there | 18:53 |
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| Pali | freemangordon, ok | 19:08 |
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| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: ping? | 22:56 |
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