IRC log of #maemo-ssu for Tuesday, 2012-04-03

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ivgalvezHi, is there anything blocking the inclussion of World Clock replacement in CSSU?11:40
freemangordonivgalvez, AIUI it is lack of active maintainer11:43
freemangordons/lack/the lack11:43
Lava_Croftand its odd way of inlcuding different seetings11:44
Lava_Croftsettingd*11:44
Lava_Croftgrr settings, what the11:45
freemangordonade seems not active on TMO, and despite being asked several times to join here, as you may see, it is not here too11:45
Lava_Crofti think ade already mmoved on11:45
freemangordonLava_Croft, that should not be a problem, once (and if) it enters CSSU repo, there will be a lot of cleanup anyway11:45
Lava_Crofttrue11:46
ivgalvezno one with interest in taking maintanace from the actual status?11:47
freemangordonivgalvez, you mean from the current CSSU devs?11:48
ivgalvezyes11:48
ivgalvezI suppose that after a bit of clean up it shouldn't require too much maintenance11:49
ivgalvezthe app seems rock solid (dunno about the quality of the code)11:49
ivgalvezand feature complete11:50
freemangordonwell, current CSSU devs means me, Pali and arcean. I am talking about those who are active more than one commit per month. Don't know about the others, but I am on the edge with regards to free time/projects11:50
ivgalvezsigh11:51
freemangordonmaybe it is better to ask on TMO if anyone is willing to maintain it.11:51
ivgalvezdown again11:51
freemangordonor on the mailing list, it seems fancy these days :D11:51
freemangordonyeah11:52
ivgalvezyup11:52
ivgalvezjust in the middle of the discussion about the great maintenance from Nokia :D11:52
freemangordon:nod:11:52
freemangordonbut I am sure it is a coincidence :D11:52
ivgalvezand funny how fast management has been thronwn to Quim11:53
freemangordonyeah11:54
freemangordonbut at least it is some action11:54
freemangordonbetter than nothing11:54
freemangordonBTW I will contact him re KP50 and repos11:55
freemangordonivgalvez, it was you having problems with 720p and abc?11:56
ivgalvezYes, unfortunately it was on a trip to Ireland with lack of connectivity and time to test11:59
ivgalvezand need of taking pictures :D11:59
ivgalveznow I'm back to work... almost11:59
freemangordonit is solved now, you can check the thread on TMO (once it is up again). And check my comments re LGPL too12:00
ivgalvezI saw it, but I didn't have the chance to test it. I have also in my TODO to contact the original developer asking for sources.12:02
ivgalvezthanks12:02
freemangordonnp12:02
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* merlin1991 pings MohammadAG16:19
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merlin1991freemangordon: ping19:29
freemangordonmerlin1991, pong19:30
merlin1991when you update a debian/changelog (like camera-ui) use your email in the entry if it's yours19:31
merlin1991otherwise it's hard to keep track of who did what (in case of camera-ui you made an entry as mag)19:31
freemangordonhmm, I think I always do that.19:31
freemangordonAnyway, it is possible I made a mistake19:31
merlin1991sure :)19:32
freemangordonok, point taken19:32
merlin1991I didn't reach mag till today, so now I'm going over the packages we proposed as upgrade and prepare them for release so that mag just has to build them  and then he'll get an email19:33
freemangordonmerlin1991, BTW, did you pester MAG enough, so there will be a new -testing in the observable future?19:33
freemangordonahh :D19:33
merlin1991I tried to pester him :/19:33
merlin1991but apart from me saying ping a lot nothing happened19:33
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merlin1991btw did you follow the drama on the community mailing list?19:34
freemangordonyeah :D19:34
freemangordonit is funny how the ones who did not make a single post on TMO in the last six months and more now demand the things19:35
merlin1991well I don't post on tmo either but still feel like demanding stuff ;)19:36
freemangordonTBH I think CSSU team should join the drama19:36
freemangordonmerlin1991, you past19:36
freemangordon*post19:36
freemangordonannouncements for new -stable release :D19:36
merlin1991yeah19:37
merlin1991:D19:37
freemangordonstill, I really think you and MohammadAG (if still interested in maemo) should join the conersation19:38
freemangordons/conersation/conversation/19:38
infobotfreemangordon meant: still, I really think you and MohammadAG (if still interested in maemo) should join the conversation19:38
merlin1991I don't really know what my input would be though19:40
merlin1991besides throwing everything we have in form of questions on quim/quill (who was it) and see what happens19:40
freemangordonthat, plus your vision should be enough at least to see who wants what. See, it just not make sense to continue time-demanding projects if at the end of a day someone pulls the plug19:42
merlin1991well cssu isn't going to die19:44
merlin1991if maemo.org goes down we'll just run it on my server :D19:44
freemangordon:D:D:D19:44
freemangordonwhich reminds me to ask you what has happened with "devel-repo-to-be" :p19:45
merlin1991it's 99% done19:45
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freemangordonwow, great19:45
merlin1991only thing left I need is acl for the folder19:45
merlin1991so atm I'm writing down the order in which I have to turn of service19:45
merlin1991*services*19:45
merlin1991because in order to enable acl I have to remount / :D19:46
merlin1991aka reboot :D19:46
merlin1991there's just too much stuff running outside of the /etc/init.d scripts19:46
merlin1991freemangordon: do we consider ourselves upstream for ke-recv?19:50
freemangordonI think so19:51
freemangordonit is maemo specific, isn't it?19:51
merlin1991afaik it's a maemo only thing right?19:51
freemangordon:D19:51
freemangordonNFC19:51
freemangordonmerlin1991, does Harmattan have ke-recv?19:52
* merlin1991 checks19:52
merlin1991nope19:53
merlin1991yeah upstream then19:53
freemangordonyep19:54
merlin1991hm the libxml repo history looks silly20:00
freemangordonwhy?20:06
merlin1991because it is that short20:10
merlin1991but my main problem is that I can't build libxml in scratchbox20:10
freemangordonpython problems?20:10
merlin1991yep20:10
freemangordondo you have extras-devel enabled in scratchbox?20:11
merlin1991no20:11
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freemangordonhmm, what exactly problems do you have?20:11
merlin1991http://paste.debian.net/161915/20:11
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freemangordonwell, you should uninstall all the python you have installed, and install python from SDK repos20:12
merlin1991and when I try to install pyhton-all for example I get python-all: Depends: python (= 2.5.2-3maemo1) but 2.5.2-3maemo4 is to be installed20:12
freemangordoncheck your sources.list20:13
merlin1991nokia binaries sdk and tools20:13
freemangordonyou have extras or extras-testing or -devel enabled in scratchbox20:13
merlin1991no extras-anything enabled20:13
freemangordonapt-get update?20:13
merlin1991done20:14
merlin1991before the party20:14
merlin1991actually my cssu scratchbox is a complete fresh one where I never enabled extras-anything20:14
freemangordonmerlin1991, I had the same problem when trying to build libxml, and I uninstalled all the python and re-installed the version from SDK20:15
freemangordonit is a matter of repos20:15
merlin1991hm looks like my base python version is fsckd20:15
freemangordonyeah, just uninstall everything python20:16
merlin1991downgrading python and python-minimal is actually enough20:17
freemangordonwell, ok :)20:17
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merlin1991ffs20:17
merlin1991need to downgrade python2.5 aswell :D20:17
freemangordonmerlin1991, aren't we alarmd upstream?20:29
merlin1991well we're alarmd upstream in the same sense a we're ke-recv upstream but imo our changes to alarmd are so small that I would keep the reference to nokia20:31
freemangordonI am talking about the version20:31
merlin1991yeah20:31
freemangordonwhy +0cssu0?20:31
merlin1991after all it's only a packaging thing :)20:31
merlin1991" imo our changes to alarmd are so small that I would keep the reference to nokia " that's why 0cssu020:31
merlin1991if we start doing crazy things with alarmd we always have the option to increase the upstream version20:32
merlin1991only once you've changed the upstream version there is no going back except with epochs20:33
freemangordonwell, ok, if you say so, but isn't "0cssu0" only for packages that we are NOT upstream. Minor or not, it is a bugfix version and we are upstream.20:33
merlin1991well nokia is upstream20:33
merlin1991we are truly upstream only in case of rewrites20:34
freemangordonok :)20:34
merlin1991only for example h-d can be considered taken over by us :)20:34
freemangordonI see. ok, it is not that important, I just want this versioning scheme to be clear to me.20:35
merlin1991in general always thing +0ccsu0 first20:35
merlin1991s/thing/think/20:35
infobotmerlin1991 meant: in general always think +0ccsu0 first20:35
freemangordonok, sure20:36
merlin1991after that we can always say, nope this isn't some patch anymore we are upstream now and make a proper version number20:36
merlin1991this way apt is happy aswell :)20:36
freemangordon:)20:36
merlin1991dang going over those fsckd packages takes longer than I expected20:40
merlin19912 more packages20:44
merlin1991where's jonwil when you need him :/20:54
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merlin1991hm I need to queue a new track21:13
merlin1991been listening to the same 7 mins of trance for over 3 hrs now :D21:13
Sicelo;)21:19
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* merlin1991 waits for the russian translation of continous view then the packages would be ready21:26
merlin1991btw anybody from italy/czech/denmark/norway here?21:28
freemangordonmerlin1991, let me try with russian21:29
merlin1991freemangordon: I've got that covered21:29
merlin1991I know someone from russia :)21:29
Sicelothat's for pdf reader?21:30
freemangordonand how is it in russioan then, I am curious21:30
freemangordons/russioan/russian/21:30
infobotfreemangordon meant: and how is it in russian then, I am curious21:30
merlin1991freemangordon: I'm waiting for his answer atm :)21:31
merlin1991Sicelo: yes21:31
freemangordonaah, ok21:31
Sicelokewl :)21:33
Sicelobtw, calculator is also in line for fix?21:33
merlin1991Sicelo: calculator on stable or the one on testing?21:33
merlin1991freemangordon: he came up with: Продолжительное листаниe21:34
Sicelostable.. we still cant have non-integer powers, such as 2^0.521:34
merlin1991yeah there is  a "fix" in -testing but it is not complete :/21:35
merlin1991so it didn't end up in -stable yet21:35
Siceloi wondered the other day if it would be 'safe' to downgrade calc in the meantime (on my own) :/21:35
merlin1991sure21:36
merlin1991not going to break21:36
merlin1991though you'll end up with manual work with each cssu upgrade21:36
merlin1991since you'll loose the metapackage21:37
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Sicelo1thanks. clear explanation :)21:39
merlin1991though if you want to I can build you a fake package that is the old gui and does not break the cssu :)21:40
freemangordonmerlin1991, ask your russian friend how "непрерывный просмотр" sounds to him21:40
Palimerlin1991, I'm Czech Republic, I will ask friends for proper translation21:40
Sicelo1when CSSU gets African translations, I'll be in charge ;) :P21:42
merlin1991hehe21:42
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NIN101russian is my third language, but sounds good to me freemangordon.21:45
Palimerlin1991, in czech: souvislé zobrazení21:46
freemangordonNIN101, yeah, but lets wait some native speaker to confirm.21:47
NIN101yep, don't think I know what is correct.21:48
merlin1991freemangordon: he says it's somewhat right21:54
freemangordonsomewhat? :)21:57
merlin1991he says both mean about the same thing, but not exactly the same :D21:58
merlin1991he says yours fits more to uninterrupted than to continuous21:59
merlin1991okay rebooting to windows to write an email to mag22:01
merlin1991damn you silly pop3 protocol22:01
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