IRC log of #maemo-ssu for Thursday, 2011-12-01

* DocScrutinizer idly wonders if there's also a org_maemo_packages_execute or org_maemo_packages_system00:00
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: down that path lies madness ;)00:01
DocScrutinizeror ../../../sbin/00:01
DocScrutinizerthe cumbersome bit: if anybody hacks the site, nobody will fix it - they simply take it down00:03
amiconnABC (a better camera) is the commercial version of blessn90000:26
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer: ping01:20
DocScrutinizerpong01:20
DocScrutinizerwazzup?01:20
freemangordonI saw in the logs camera-ui has been discussed again01:21
DocScrutinizeryep01:21
DocScrutinizer:-)01:21
freemangordonok, I think we already agredd there is a valid bug against stock camera-ui01:21
freemangordonagreed*01:22
freemangordonAnt there is (hopefully) a bugfix01:22
DocScrutinizerstill no reason to deprive users from their legit choice, if feasible without any headache01:22
freemangordonsorry, I am really tired, so excuse my English :)01:22
DocScrutinizerwe even have a ticket against that01:23
DocScrutinizerhttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1220301:23
povbotBug 12203: CSSU forces immature camera-ui replacement on user01:23
DocScrutinizerclosed now01:23
DocScrutinizerI'm all happy with that01:23
freemangordonGood, didn't look so deeply into logs, but the option for camera-ui should be opt-out if any01:24
DocScrutinizerit is01:24
freemangordonwhat you mean?01:24
DocScrutinizerI mean eventually there'll be "the best of all" camera-ui being default on CSSU-S, and user has the choice to install other camui's from CSSU-repo which will pull in as dependency a selection-plugin for settings, so user can pick any default he wants01:26
DocScrutinizerand I'll not give a flying F what that "best of all cam-ui" is then01:27
DocScrutinizeras long as users have the choice01:27
freemangordonAnd which are candidates so far (besides nikocam)?01:27
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DocScrutinizerstock01:27
DocScrutinizerprobably S might come with both preinstalled01:28
DocScrutinizeras for some sound reasons we don't really want to nuke stock completely - it's hard to get it back01:28
DocScrutinizerand yes, it's probably sane to have switcher default to nicocam then01:29
freemangordonSo, you want nikocam, with its smooth video-recording(hopefully) and support for 720p codecs (if others approve that) to compete stock one? What is the point?01:30
DocScrutinizerthe choice, the freedom of choice01:30
freemangordonLeaving aside being OSS01:30
freemangordonWhat choice? We have limited resources better spent on something really sane.01:31
DocScrutinizere.g I found blessN900 WAAAY inferior to PR1.2 stock camera. When you'd ask the bless devels you bet they'd say "make blesN900 default, nuke that stock shit"01:31
DocScrutinizerlimited resources???01:32
DocScrutinizerI'm not feeling exactly limited with 32GB of flash storage01:32
freemangordonIt is not the same, bless does not look exactly like stock camera-ui01:32
freemangordonyeah, developers01:32
freemangordonby resourses I mean developers01:32
freemangordonI see next useless applet coming (same like landscape lock one)01:33
DocScrutinizerpfff, who's developer of stock camui and how many hours he invests into improvement/maintenance of stock camui rather than helping with "something really sane"?01:33
freemangordonNokia01:34
freemangordonWhat is the point?01:34
DocScrutinizerexactly, what is the point of this discussion?01:34
DocScrutinizerwhile we all could do "something really sane"01:34
merlin1991yep like giving me a movie title to watch01:35
merlin1991been loking for something to watch for 1,5 hrs now01:35
merlin1991could have wathedd one in that time :D01:35
freemangordonMy point is (and has always been) that we should focus on improvements when there are no bug to smash, no matter what wiki says01:35
freemangordonInstead of producing SW who noone will use01:36
DocScrutinizeruhuh01:36
freemangordonyeah, I am talking about"freedom of choice" applet01:36
DocScrutinizerand YOU decide what's an improvement and what is "sth that nobody uses"?01:36
freemangordonno01:36
DocScrutinizerobviously01:36
freemangordonLets get TMO for example01:36
DocScrutinizerooooh, and that is less wasting of time HOW?01:37
freemangordonWill you point me to one single post asking for removal of nikocam?01:37
DocScrutinizerWTF??01:37
freemangordonWho we are doing this for?01:37
DocScrutinizersorry, I'm not continuing this nonsense01:38
freemangordonok,01:38
freemangordonunderstood01:38
DocScrutinizerwho wants or does "remove nikocam"???01:39
DocScrutinizerMEH01:39
DocScrutinizerbbl01:39
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Raimu(Not touching the specifics but I the noob didn't even notice something gone different when CSSU replaced the stock camera app... "less glitching", maybe.)01:59
RaimuFelt exactly the same. I can't remember how the stock one differed anymore.01:59
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freemangordonmerlin1991 ping11:08
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merlin1991freemangordon: pong13:54
freemangordonmerlin1991, can you pull https://gitorious.org/fremantle-720p-support/gdigicam in CSSU repo?13:56
merlin1991what does it do in case of not having the codecs?13:58
freemangordonnothing13:58
merlin1991is the ui consistent, --> does it only show the avaiable resolutions?13:59
freemangordonit does not care for codecs at all, gdigicam is just a gstreamer wrapper (along with other things)13:59
freemangordonand it is not the ui13:59
freemangordonjust a library13:59
merlin1991ooops :$14:00
freemangordonit is nikocam which is the ui :p14:01
merlin1991freemangordon: where can I find the base source of gdigicam (what runs withing fremantle)14:02
freemangordonit is my first commit, atherwise i think it is in SDK14:02
freemangordon*otherwise14:02
freemangordonapt-get source gdigicam in scratchbox14:02
freemangordonshould work14:03
merlin1991I was wondering if there maybe is some "upstream" git repo for it14:03
freemangordonnot sure, I think there was14:04
freemangordonyeah, https://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-gdigicam14:04
freemangordonmaybe it is better tu pull sources from there if that is what is on n90014:05
freemangordon*to14:05
freemangordonmerlin1991, that is the correct source14:06
merlin1991I'll compare the sources and if it's that will clone that repo into cssu so you mg against it14:06
freemangordonsee debian/changelog14:06
merlin1991dang I should look at my stuff here, got to run for an exam in 25 mins and heaven't looked at anything yet14:07
freemangordonwell, sorry14:08
merlin1991:D14:08
merlin1991I'll come back to you when I'm back from the exam :)14:08
freemangordonok14:08
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Sicelojonwil: installed widget now. i'd suggest, if possible, that it also permits addition of other channels for those users whose mobile operators use them.16:38
Siceloalso, where is the log kept?16:38
jonwilhome/user16:39
Siceloso far i don't have even operator name, but will keep testing. i've enabled all 3 options16:40
jonwildid you restart after installing the widget?16:41
Siceloi'm on 2g. also i had custom operator name before, but uninstalled that first. not sure if that's the reason, as the settings menu shows Custom Operator name briefly. Yes, restarted16:41
jonwilok, I dont know then16:42
jonwilmaybe the logs will show something16:42
jonwilpastebin em or something16:42
Sicelono log either, yet16:42
Sicelolatest version is 0.1?16:44
jonwilyes16:46
Siceloi would suppose some *cbs* proces should always be running, but `ps ax | grep cbs' doesnt have anything16:46
jonwilnope no such process runs16:46
Sicelooh16:47
jonwilcan you still send SMS?16:47
Siceloyes, let me see if can get replies as well16:47
Sicelothat too, yes16:48
Sicelolemme reboot16:48
Siceloaha, i'm getting something now16:50
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Siceloit captures only on channel 50, or others?16:51
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* Sicelo dusts his N-Gage to check if operator still uses Chan 5216:55
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Sicelotoo bad, not anymore16:58
Siceloeither way, am sure other users will have operators using the other channels17:00
Sicelohmmm, :/17:03
Sicelojonwil: there is a 'bug' with changing options on the fly. one needs a complete reboot after changing a stetting. this is why i didn't have anything displaying at first. so now i tried to change one of them, and again i have no display, and reverting makes no difference.17:05
Sicelois there something i can run in terminal?17:05
jonwilwierd that changing the options on the fly doesn't work right17:05
jonwilyou could kill and restart hildon-desktop or hildon-home (forget which one)17:06
jonwilif you are getting logs, please pastebin them17:06
Sicelowell, changing status on the fly works, but now i have seen that it needs to change cells before something displays again17:10
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Sicelocat: cbsms.paste: No such file or directory17:11
Sicelocat: cbsms.paste: No such file or directory17:11
Sicelosorry about that 'spam'17:14
jonwilok17:15
Sicelomeaning the 'cat..'' lines :)17:16
Sicelohttp://pastebin.com/CaCXHF6317:16
Sicelowow, channel 52 is still being used here :) N-Gage captured something17:17
jonwilso do you get the operator name displayed on your N900 or not?17:18
jonwiland do you have an opername.log you can pastebin?17:19
Sicelono operator name anymore. i was still wondering if there is a way to display this, and operator name as wel17:19
Siceloopername.log coming just now17:20
Sicelo/bin/sh: opername: command not found17:22
Sicelohttp://pastebin.com/gnnv0cZP17:22
Siceloam making too many typos, :-s17:23
jonwilso the operator name you got before installing my widget is Swazi-MTN17:24
jonwil?>17:24
Siceloyes17:24
jonwilok17:24
jonwillooks like there is a bug in my widget17:24
jonwilwill check whats up17:24
Sicelowhat code is that?17:24
jonwilwhat code do you mean?17:25
Sicelo16:49:29 code 86 240 1, in the second paste17:25
Siceloswazi mtn is 653 1017:25
Siceloor is that hex or what?17:25
jonwilI dont know exactly17:25
jonwilI just cloned the code that calculated it that way17:26
Sicelook :)17:26
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jonwilSicelo, you still there?18:04
jonwilguess not :P18:10
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merlin1991freemangordon: ping19:23
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freemangordonmerlin1991 pong20:22
merlin1991I'm a bit on loss on what the libgdigicame update you proposed actually does20:23
freemangordonallows calling app to request more resolutions20:24
merlin1991I saw you also updated the framerate  on the regular resolution to 30 fps20:24
merlin1991does that work with stock kernel?20:24
* merlin1991 darkly remembers something about raised mem for video codec on pk20:25
freemangordonit has nothing to do eith the kernel either, it os camera firmware20:25
freemangordon*is20:25
freemangordonwow, so many typos :)20:25
merlin1991so the whole processing is actually done somewhere else?20:25
freemangordonyes20:25
merlin1991and it's just the interface to the hw20:25
freemangordonit is the interface to the gstreamer20:26
freemangordonand omap3camd20:26
freemangordonAFAIK20:26
merlin1991so what does the 30 fps change do? does it allow to request up to 30 fps, or does it fix it to 30 fps?20:27
freemangordonBTW which stock resolution framerate do you mean20:27
freemangordonfix20:27
freemangordonI am almost sure I didn't touch stock20:27
merlin1991#define G_DIGICAM_CAMERABIN_VIEWFINDER_16X9_VIDEO_FPS20:28
merlin1991that looked like stock for me20:28
merlin1991I could be wrong though20:28
merlin1991or did you add the 16x9 too?20:29
merlin1991it's taken from your last changeset20:29
freemangordonjust a second20:29
freemangordon#define G_DIGICAM_CAMERABIN_VIEWFINDER_16X9_FPS 2988;20:32
freemangordonthat is stock for 854x48020:32
freemangordonBut you are right, #define names are misleading, i will wix that20:33
freemangordondamn, *fix20:33
merlin1991so stock should be still as ususal20:34
freemangordon100%20:34
merlin1991btw is the stock camera hardcoded, or will it suddenly show the additional resolutions too?20:34
freemangordonno way20:34
freemangordonit is hardcoded20:34
merlin1991or rather do camera-uis query for possible resolutions or have to know beforehand?20:34
freemangordonI don't think there is such API20:35
freemangordonAIUI the have to know20:35
merlin1991okay, I'll get up a repo so you can mg from yours20:35
merlin1991when I finnished strugelling with my new n900 here20:36
freemangordoncan't you pull the commits from my repo?20:36
freemangordonI am a little noobish when it comes to git :)20:37
merlin1991technically could, but imo is a more sane way todo, also -testing is governed by mag and I don't want to make decisionsfro hem20:37
merlin1991s/imo is/imo mg is/20:37
merlin1991also fro and for20:37
merlin1991ffs it's really typo day today :D (just had a typo in typo too)20:37
freemangordonok, I will test my  commit rights then20:37
merlin1991freemangordon: actually the idea here is, that you have your dev repo, and there is cssu repo which has cssu source, you send a mg against cssu repo, and the maintainer of the branch you want to get your stuff into has a look and pulls the changes20:39
merlin1991that's the git way of doing stuff :D20:39
freemangordonyeah, but the it doesn't make sense to by a part of the team20:39
freemangordonthn*20:39
freemangordondamn, damn, damn20:40
freemangordonthen* :D20:40
merlin1991I guess be* too ;)20:40
freemangordon:D:D:D yeah20:40
merlin1991actually it still makes sense, your repo represents something new that isn't yet inside cssu, and mag represents the "team leader/however you wanna call it" that has the final decision if it comes in20:41
merlin1991as soon as it's there ofc there is no point anymore in developing patches outside20:42
merlin1991totally unrelated, when one got this changed library installed what else is needed to actually use 720p recording?20:43
freemangordoncamera-ui20:43
freemangordonKP49, gstreamer0.10-dsp and DSP binaries20:43
merlin1991are the dsp binaries closed?20:44
* merlin1991 guesses they come from ti and are closed20:44
merlin1991iirc you got the dsp binaries from the n950, how can that even work? afaik n950 is hardfp and n900 is softfp20:45
freemangordonaf course they are20:45
freemangordonnope, softfp AIUI :)20:45
freemangordondaughter wants my attention, bbl20:45
merlin1991freemangordon: ping me when you're back20:52
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merlin1991arcean: ping20:56
arceanmerlin1991: pong20:57
freemangordonmerlin1991, I am back20:59
merlin1991dang 2 responses :D20:59
merlin1991arcean: could you have a look on those? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12085 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11974 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1244520:59
povbotBug 12085: Can't edit Applications list in portrait20:59
povbotBug 11974: Holding down left on right on the home screen leads to a black screen20:59
povbotBug 12445: hildon-status-menu displays only 2 icons in portrait20:59
merlin1991you seem to know h-d in and out :)21:00
merlin1991freemangordon: did you base your changes on the sdk source or the gitrepo?21:00
merlin1991because I cloned the git repo and found out that master in there isn't = sdk source21:00
freemangordonSDK source21:00
merlin1991but they have a "stable" branch in there which is equal to sdk source21:00
merlin1991ah k21:00
freemangordonmerlin1991 - is bug 12445 valid?21:01
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/12445 hildon-status-menu displays only 2 icons in portrait21:01
merlin1991yes21:01
merlin1991at least was the last time I checked21:02
freemangordonsorry , i mean 1208521:02
merlin1991yes too21:02
freemangordonhmm, ok21:02
merlin1991wich imo is a thing we should fix21:02
arceanwith 12085 we should use the same approach as in harmattan?21:02
freemangordonwhich is?21:03
merlin1991I would say copy the approach of the landscape edit mode21:03
arceanhmm21:03
freemangordonno way IFAIK21:03
merlin1991freemangordon: in harmattan you drag the icons instead of clicking a new location21:03
arceanno, I mean when you change icon position in portrait mode it will break layout in landscape21:03
merlin1991why?21:04
freemangordonand vice versa21:04
merlin1991ah I see what you mean21:04
arceanand that's what I mean by 'harmattan behaviour'21:04
merlin1991arcean: I only have a n9 there is no landscape launcher there :D21:05
arceanmerlin1991: hack it! :)21:05
freemangordonarcean, any idea how is this list stored?21:05
merlin1991no point of landscape without the keyboard ;)21:05
merlin1991technically we could do it like with the desktop, where there's a layout for portrait and one for landscape21:06
arceanfreemangordon: hmm, for sure it's some kind of structure21:06
merlin1991but on the other hand it would be odd to have a menu completely different than in landscape21:06
arceanh-d is parsing .desktop files and keeps data in memory21:07
arceans/is parsing/parses21:07
merlin1991hm but the ordering has to be saved somewhere21:07
merlin1991it's persistant over reboot21:08
merlin1991and even persistant over refalsh21:08
merlin1991when I reflash only rootfs and install all applications I had before my custom ordering is just like before21:08
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merlin1991FINALLY installing cssu-testing on my new n90021:10
freemangordoncongratulations :p21:12
merlin1991freemangordon: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/gdigicam21:16
merlin1991clone that, rebase your changes on top, push to a new branch in your repo and make a mg21:16
merlin1991(at least I think that's better than just pushing the changes there, since this way we have it documented somehow)21:17
freemangordon10x21:17
freemangordonI'll do it21:17
merlin1991actually what does 10x mean in this context? :D21:18
arceanmerlin1991: do you have hildon.menu file in /etc/xdg/menus/ ?21:21
merlin1991yes21:21
arceanit looks like it's the main config file for layout of the h-d launcher21:22
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merlin1991dinnertime, bbl21:30
RaimuHopefully there's a -cssu8 version of the hacked 720p camera app soon, since the -cssu7 one opens up a can of dependency hell with the new CSSU-t.21:31
RaimuDunno if I could just hack the .deb file or something, I've never done something like that.21:32
freemangordonmerlin1991, 10x means thanks for the new project and instructions21:45
freemangordonRaimu, which is that hacked 720p app?21:45
Raimufreemangordon, sorry, I meant camera-ui_1.1.29.2+0cssu7_armel21:46
freemangordonyes, there will be new version based no latest CSSU camera-ui soon, don't worry21:47
freemangordonactually new project I thanked merlin1991 for is gdigicam library needed for 720p recording21:47
RaimuAh, channel backlog odyssey beckons. ->21:49
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freemangordonwell, well, thumb compiled QT almost working :D22:30
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merlin1991 uh better check that abillion times before pushing it into cssu :D22:32
freemangordonhelium-mobile-browser and cutube-qml rock stable, just cssu-calculator which sigills22:33
freemangordoni.e. webkit works, gui not22:33
freemangordonstill playing with compiler switches22:33
freemangordonmerlin1991 - for 13 vs 18 MB webkit and 8.5 vs 11.5 MB gui I will do whatever it takes to thumb compile it22:36
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merlin1991arcean: ping23:35
arceanmerlin1991: pong23:35
merlin1991portrait wallpapers has a bug23:35
arceanwhat kind of bug?23:36
merlin1991you know that there are those picture "series", that contain more than 1 pic23:36
merlin1991if you try to assign one of those in portrait it sets it for landscape23:36
arceanhmm, those themes based?23:36
merlin1991I dunno the stuff I have on from stock23:36
arceanyes, I know23:37
arceanand it works only for the first 4. views23:37
merlin1991it says "image set" before them23:37
arceanyup23:37
arceanso, currently with Image Set you can change wallpapers only for views from 1 to 423:38
merlin1991we should improve the portrait wallpaper support in a way that those image sets also can set ones for portrait, or that you can set one just for portate23:38
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arcean:nod:23:39
arceanand improve support for landscape wallpapers also, so it would cover all desktop views23:39
merlin1991odd, now I can't even select any imageset anymore23:39
merlin1991wtf?23:40
arceanheh, old bug :)23:40
merlin1991is there a known workaround?23:40
arceannope, but sometimes it changes wallpapers after a couple of minutes23:41
merlin1991we might should look into that too :D23:41
merlin1991when we extend image sets to work on all desktops, one should be able to set them :P23:42
arceanindeed :D23:42
merlin1991image sets are back23:42
merlin1991after I disabled all but hte first desktop23:42
amiconnSince when does the cssu installation require to connect the charger?23:42
arceanso something got stuck23:43
merlin1991amiconn: it's considered a system upgrade so ham wants a reasonable charge level23:43
amiconnOf course, but charge level was >50%23:43
amiconnThat should be more than enough imo23:44
merlin1991that's odd then23:44
merlin1991arcean: it worked as long as a stayed with 4 desktops23:45
merlin1991enabled the 5th, now the option is gone23:45
merlin1991yep disabled a view in the middle (#3) and image sets are back23:46
merlin1991apparently they have to have at least as many images as desktop views enabled23:46
merlin1991the could though gladly failed to work properly23:47
freemangordonmerlin1991, actually you were right about stock resolutions framerate re gdigicam23:47
merlin1991it brought me back the assigning of image sets (since I had 4 views enabled) but it assigned them to #1, #2, #3 and #423:47
merlin1991whilst I had #1 #2 #4 and #5 enabled23:47
merlin1991so the imageset code in general needs an rework for extended desktop and portrait :)23:48
amiconnHmpf, and this upgrade disabled bluetooth again without reenabling it :\23:48
arceanmerlin1991: yeah, it's completly broken atm23:48
merlin1991amiconn: we don't do anything to bluetooth at all23:48
merlin1991I guess ham turns it off due to system upgrade, and it never gets turned on aftwards23:49
arceanmerlin1991: could you close bug 12320, as it's fixed since 4 or more cssu releases?23:50
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/12320 Change default value of mov-mode for HildonPannableArea to HILDON_MOVEMENT_MODE_BOTH to allow horizontal scrolling by default23:50
merlin1991now how the fuck did this happen: http://87.106.163.159/~christian/maemo/Screenshot-20111201-225038.png23:51
freemangordongtk gone wild?23:52
merlin1991arcean: did we really fix that for hildon in general or only for our apps?23:52
arceanfor hildon in general, in libhildonfm package23:53
arceanerm, no23:53
arceanfor windows, like details dialog, etc23:54
merlin1991that bugreport claims that for example rss reader is affected too, and libhildonfm only affects the filemanager23:55
arceanlibhildonfm provides details dialog window23:55
arceanwhich is used in file manager, pdf viewer etc23:55
arceanI'm not sure if we can just change it in hildon itself23:56
arceanas it may brake some applications23:56
merlin1991roffl23:57
merlin1991rss reader has a horizontal bar but you still can't scroll23:57
DocScrutinizerI feel like mentioning again there have been rumours about thumb having SILICONE bugs on N90023:58
DocScrutinizer-E23:59
freemangordonwell, so far it seems that gcc has bugs23:59
amiconnSounds unlikely23:59

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