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| neal | does the cssu include a kernel? | 00:23 |
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| neal | if so, can we include the patch mentioned here: | 00:23 |
| neal | http://maemo.org/community/maemo-users/n900_microsd_card_i-o_errors_and_corruption/ | 00:24 |
| neal | I just encountered the same error. | 00:24 |
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| NIN102 | no the CSSU does not include a kernel | 00:29 |
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| Pali | neal: this patch is included in kernel-power | 00:53 |
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| Macer | does the power kernel have fmtx issues? | 00:57 |
| Macer | i guess i will find out in a minute after i reflash everything | 00:58 |
| Macer | backupmenu totally failed me | 00:58 |
| Pali | kernel-power v49 has fmtx patch which can lock and/or unlock power level | 01:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pali: wut? | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | lock/unlocj kernel - whats that? | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | I can't figure a kernel patch that unlocks a FOSS kernel | 01:55 |
| nox- | wasnt there some limit used by default for fmtx power? | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah | 02:04 |
| nox- | :) | 02:05 |
| Macer | omg seriously | 02:13 |
| Macer | my imei isn't working? | 02:13 |
| Macer | oh. nm. yes it did. | 02:14 |
| Macer | ugh. it seriously sucks that i have to do this :) | 02:16 |
| Macer | i had a pretty good setup going there | 02:16 |
| Macer | can flasher make an image of your phone? instead of using backupmenu? | 02:16 |
| Macer | when i run flasher i get a file create error :( | 02:23 |
| Macer | i'm trying to flash PR1.3 and i get ERROR: CreateFile, error = 5 | 02:24 |
| Macer | any ideas? | 02:24 |
| Macer | omg i can't flash this thing!! | 02:27 |
| arcean | sounds like "access denied" | 02:32 |
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| Macer | USB device found found at bus bus-0, device address \\.\libusb0-0001--0x0421-0x0 | 02:47 |
| Macer | 105. | 02:47 |
| Macer | then it just sits there | 02:47 |
| Macer | omg i'm totally lost | 03:04 |
| Macer | i think my n900 is bricked :( | 03:04 |
| Macer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=62783&page=2 | 03:06 |
| Macer | i am trying that to restore | 03:06 |
| Macer | this sucks so badly | 03:06 |
| Macer | blah. got it | 03:18 |
| Macer | remember: never use windows for a linux job :) | 03:18 |
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| Lava_Croft | flasher works fine on windows | 14:24 |
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| neal | where is the cssu's bug tracker? | 15:13 |
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| merlin1991 | neal: see /topic, or check the Maemo 5 Community SSU part on bugs.maemo.org | 16:09 |
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| merlin1991 | Macer: did you install the current "stable" ? | 16:12 |
| neal | merlin1991: Thanks. | 16:14 |
| neal | merlin1991: I've reassigned the bug. | 16:14 |
| neal | What's the repository I should use to test the upcoming stable version? | 16:14 |
| merlin1991 | http://87.106.163.159/maemo/community/community-fremantle.install (runs on my server) | 16:16 |
| neal | I'll give it a try soon, thanks | 16:16 |
| Macer | no | 16:16 |
| merlin1991 | bear in mind that you shouldn't come from testing, or should have modified hildon-desktop installed | 16:17 |
| neal | merlin1991: I was going to come from PR1.3, fresh install | 16:17 |
| neal | merlin1991: I hope that's okay | 16:17 |
| neal | merlin1991: I don't want to "break" anything :) | 16:17 |
| merlin1991 | that's fine, you can also install from pr1.3.1 :) | 16:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | \o/ | 17:09 |
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| neal | camera still works | 17:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | stock UI I hope | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | . | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | how about http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72789, integrate those into CSSU as they don't exactly need a new kernel? it's just *.ko to *fix an issue with stock/power kernel* | 18:57 |
| neal | DocScrutinizer: Apparently the fix is already in the latest power kernel. | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah, ok then | 18:58 |
| neal | Distributing the fix for the stock kernel would be good | 18:59 |
| neal | if we distribute the binary, we need to provide the source, however. | 18:59 |
| merlin1991 | tbh I don't think it's that easy | 19:00 |
| merlin1991 | we can't overwrite a file from another package with our package | 19:00 |
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| neal | dpkg-divert? | 19:00 |
| merlin1991 | we'd have to reprovide the full kernel-modules pacakge | 19:00 |
| merlin1991 | (I think so at least) | 19:00 |
| neal | I think dpkg-divert would do the trick. | 19:00 |
| Macer | so how is the official stable release going? | 19:03 |
| merlin1991 | waiting for X-Fade to prepare the repo and waiting for Mag to release t-17 | 19:04 |
| Macer | j.mp? | 19:04 |
| merlin1991 | and also waiting a few days before calling it really stable :) | 19:04 |
| Macer | ah so it will be on maemo.org? | 19:04 |
| merlin1991 | yes | 19:04 |
| Macer | ok. awesome | 19:04 |
| merlin1991 | the current location is just a testsetup on my server | 19:04 |
| Macer | who runs maemo.org? | 19:04 |
| Macer | does nokia still run it? | 19:05 |
| merlin1991 | yes it's still run by nokia | 19:05 |
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| Macer | for how long? eventually the penny pinchers will turn the servers off | 19:20 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: I'll repeat Doc, where's our long awaited testing release ;) | 19:20 |
| Macer | ugh | 19:22 |
| Macer | stupid floods in taiwan | 19:22 |
| Macer | i have a 4 bay synology that needs 4 3 TB hard drives | 19:23 |
| Macer | and 3TB hard drives are 250 :( | 19:23 |
| Macer | they were 150 last mnth | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | dang | 19:28 |
| * DocScrutinizer idly wonders if the supermarket next to him still offers the announced 1TB-USB drives for 49€ | 19:29 | |
| DocScrutinizer | re *.ko, we could do nasty and simply force the change in via postinst mv | 19:30 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: and act like the fsckd modified-hildon-desktop deb? | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | we're "entitled" to do this as we deliver "official" patches to stock system | 19:31 |
| merlin1991 | in that case that patch should go straight into kernel-modules | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | modulo we're not shipping kernel.modules | 19:32 |
| merlin1991 | since official patch to a stock package is NOT another package that ships one file of the original package | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | as a pkg | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | as metioned before(?) management of *.ko is awkward in linux | 19:32 |
| merlin1991 | huh? | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's a PITA regarding packaging etc | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | kinda similar to Nokia's MP | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | as kernel comes with a bunch of *.ko and there's no sane way to replace any of those, or just add an additional one | 19:35 |
| merlin1991 | imo if we ship it we should ship it over http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-modules/ | 19:35 |
| merlin1991 | and that is a sane way | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm no packaging wizzard, but I've seen tedious discussions about those cam-drivers | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | as well as about kernel-modules-addon | 19:36 |
| merlin1991 | well their problem is they can't replace the mp bound modules package | 19:36 |
| merlin1991 | but as we are cssu we ofc can do that | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | so can't we | 19:36 |
| merlin1991 | why can't we? oO? | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, only if we break up the jernel-"MP" and ship the whole shit by ourselves from now on | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | which of course we *could* do, but gets nasty to maintain that for stock plus all the different custom kernels anyway | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | but, as mentioned above: I Aint No Packaging Wizard | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | just throwing in my idea of "maybe it would be nice if we could provide a 'fix' for this as well..." | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | honestly, knowing of all the tedious discussions spawning from that topic in the past, I probably should have kept my mouth shut | 19:40 |
| merlin1991 | from a packaging point of view I see no problem at all | 19:41 |
| merlin1991 | if there is a kernel-mp we could make that depend on our new modules package and the rest is just done | 19:41 |
| merlin1991 | if not even better, we just ship the dammned modules pkg and are happy | 19:42 |
| Sicelo | hi | 19:42 |
| merlin1991 | maintaining for other kernels is not our problem since we patch the stock kerenel, other kernels have to incoroprate the fix themselves | 19:43 |
| merlin1991 | hey Sicelo | 19:43 |
| Sicelo | :) | 19:43 |
| merlin1991 | sorry about forgetting to mention that dsmetool -b reboots | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: we want to keep CSSU compatible to other kernels though | 19:45 |
| Sicelo | no problem ;) | 19:45 |
| Sicelo | +1 DocScrutinizer | 19:45 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: we wouldn't | 19:45 |
| merlin1991 | we would only if we depend on the kernel-flasher too | 19:46 |
| merlin1991 | wich whould flash the stock kernel | 19:46 |
| merlin1991 | wich ofc would be bad | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: was quite a bummer to read "do not install PK on CSSU systems, or CSSU on PK systems, as that will result in <whatever major borkage>" | 19:46 |
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| merlin1991 | when was that written? | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | when we did an epic fail on that | 19:47 |
| * merlin1991 doesn't remember that | 19:47 | |
| DocScrutinizer | was=would be | 19:47 |
| merlin1991 | ah :D | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | I suck on English sometimes | 19:48 |
| merlin1991 | the only thing we could do to other kernels is overwrite them with an update | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | installing that fixed *.ko to PK will break it, no? | 19:48 |
| merlin1991 | no not at all | 19:48 |
| Sicelo | cssu not supporting other kernels would reduce number of users | 19:48 |
| merlin1991 | installing that fixed *.ko would simply install that fixed *.ko | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | which in turn causes PK to PANIC/OOPS | 19:49 |
| merlin1991 | why? | 19:49 |
| merlin1991 | doesn't pk use a different /lib/modules folder? | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | cause the *.ko vermagic/whatever doesn't match | 19:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, that's the question | 19:50 |
| * merlin1991 goes and simply checks that | 19:50 | |
| merlin1991 | once and for all | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | the question of "where to would we install that *.ko" | 19:51 |
| merlin1991 | /lib/modules/2.6.28-omap1 | 19:51 |
| merlin1991 | aka stock kernel modules | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2009-10-30 12:32 current -> 2.6.28-omap1 | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | install our *ko to /kib/modules/current/ and watch BOOOM | 19:52 |
| merlin1991 | well wich idiot would do that? | 19:53 |
| merlin1991 | huh? | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | just saying | 19:53 |
| merlin1991 | or rather what kind of idiot package maintainer would create such a fsckd package? | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | aiui e.g multiboot is messing with the symlink ^^^ | 19:54 |
| merlin1991 | aiui multiboot comes from deeper layers of hell | 19:54 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders what a clean PK install looks like | 19:54 | |
| DocScrutinizer | (hell) that too | 19:55 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: pk kernel-modules are in /lib/modules/2.6.28.10-power48 | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | t900:~# ls -l /lib/modules/ | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 19640 Dec 12 2010 2.6.28.10power46 | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Dec 12 2010 current -> 2.6.28.10power46 | 19:55 |
| merlin1991 | no 2.6.28-omap1 there? | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | above paste comprehensive | 19:56 |
| merlin1991 | apt-cache policy kernel-modules? | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | kernel-modules: | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | Installed: 2.6.28-20101501+0m5 | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | Candidate: 2.6.28-20103103+0m5 | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | 2.6.28-20103103+0m5 0 | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | 500 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Packages | 19:57 |
| merlin1991 | where the fuck did your modules go then? oO | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfc | 19:58 |
| Sicelo | i have oma1 and power47 | 19:58 |
| merlin1991 | me suspects evil stuff in power46 modules postinst | 19:58 |
| Sicelo | $ ls -l /lib/modules/ | 19:58 |
| Sicelo | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 7600 Oct 20 12:57 2.6.28-omap1 | 19:58 |
| Sicelo | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 20208 Oct 20 12:57 2.6.28.10-power47 | 19:58 |
| Sicelo | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Oct 20 12:57 current -> 2.6.28.10-power47 | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha | 19:59 |
| merlin1991 | that's what a sane kernel deployment should look like | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | multiboot? | 19:59 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: multiboot on your device? | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: not really, wasting space on rootfs | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I bet on Sicelo 's | 20:00 |
| Sicelo | definitely not. :) | 20:00 |
| merlin1991 | I knew it :) | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, nfc then | 20:00 |
| * merlin1991 checks power46 source | 20:00 | |
| DocScrutinizer | I even might have nuked the shit manually | 20:00 |
| merlin1991 | sounds like you ;) | 20:01 |
| Sicelo | unless mine is unlike doc's due to downgrade from 48 :/ | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | you know me, eh? :-) | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~part #maemo-ssu | 20:05 |
| infobot | Leaving. (courtesy of docscrutinizer). | 20:05 |
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| merlin1991 | dl speed here suxx | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, let's see | 20:06 |
| merlin1991 | still pulling the power46 source | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | t900:~# ls -ld /lib/modules/ | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 304 Jun 20 2011 /lib/modules/ | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | 20th of june obviously was a happy day for me ;-D | 20:07 |
| merlin1991 | what does the -d do to ls? | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | makes the diff to my prev post | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | I.E it stats the dir inode rather than diving into the dir | 20:08 |
| merlin1991 | looks like you indeed messed with the dir after installing pk | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you see /lib/modules got changed Jul 20 | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's what I meant to say :-) | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jun 20 actually | 20:10 |
| merlin1991 | pk kernel postinst only move the current symlink | 20:11 |
| merlin1991 | so yes we can ship that fix for stock kernel with cssu | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, wait | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | t900:~# ls -l /lib/modules/ | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 19640 Dec 12 2010 2.6.28.10power46 | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Dec 12 2010 current -> 2.6.28.10power46 | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | for the record | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | other one was from IroN900 | 20:11 |
| merlin1991 | oh, great fun | 20:12 |
| merlin1991 | date changed came from package | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah it wasn't, me starts to confuse things | 20:12 |
| * merlin1991 dl current kernel | 20:12 | |
| merlin1991 | err stock kernel source I mean | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | t900:~# stat /lib/modules/ | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | Change: 2011-06-20 05:33:24.000000000 | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | I might mention that the system time on t900 isn't always correct :-P | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | t900:~# date | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | Mon Feb 9 09:03:28 CET 2009 | 20:15 |
| merlin1991 | rofl / mao | 20:15 |
| * DocScrutinizer probably should install ntpd on t900 | 20:16 | |
| merlin1991 | regardless, trust me when I say we can shipt that module without breaking anything | 20:16 |
| Sicelo | u will hear Elop in 2 days :P | 20:16 |
| Sicelo | no.. dumb :S | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: I 100% trust you :-D | 20:16 |
| neal | O dpm | 20:17 |
| neal | I don't trust him | 20:17 |
| neal | what's the issue? :) | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | propagating *.ko for stock | 20:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | in CSSU | 20:17 |
| neal | I know | 20:17 |
| neal | why do you think it will break something? | 20:18 |
| neal | or are you just being conservative? | 20:18 |
| Macer | hahaha | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't think it will, I'm just ponting to "it mustn't" | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | and to the lots of heated debates about similar problems with e.g. (f)camdriver.ko | 20:19 |
| Macer | i doubt anybody would truly care | 20:19 |
| Macer | heh | 20:19 |
| Macer | it isnt like you have the big bucks... aren't reallt worth suing :) | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, got a RL to live, bbl | 20:19 |
| Macer | really | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: OT :-D | 20:20 |
| * merlin1991 finally can register the 2nd sim on his n900 | 20:21 | |
| Macer | heh | 20:23 |
| merlin1991 | or not, registration stuck on step2, keeps repeating the fsckd step | 20:23 |
| merlin1991 | WTF? | 20:23 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: i really dont think neither TI nor Nokia would raise much of a fit because of some module being used on their device on a community supported update heh | 20:23 |
| merlin1991 | Macer: it's not about using the module | 20:24 |
| merlin1991 | but breaking other kernels | 20:24 |
| Macer | that would be like Google and HTC suing cyanogen | 20:24 |
| Macer | oh. ghe other kernels are broken aready anyways :) | 20:24 |
| Macer | ghe/the | 20:24 |
| Macer | power kernel has issues with fm transmitting | 20:25 |
| Macer | but i didnt look into it much. i am sure it is solved | 20:25 |
| Sicelo | not mine | 20:26 |
| Macer | heh | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeeh? >>The requested URL /maemo-ssu-irclog/search was not found on this server." | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/ | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | search | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | WTF?! | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ -> search xxx -> http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=xxxxx /// http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/ -> search xxxxx -> http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/search?q=xxxx -> 404 | 20:32 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: I remember the funciton got removed because it's implementation is rather slow and server cpu heavy | 20:40 |
| merlin1991 | I gues due to the way the logs are stored | 20:41 |
| merlin1991 | well what he said over in #maemo :) | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | #define "topic list for 11-18 meeting" http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/latest.log.html#t2011-11-12T00:09:33 | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | AERKS :-( | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | #define "topic list for 11-18 meeting" http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/search?q=##topic-11-18 | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | ##topic-11-18 deliver fixed .ko kernel drivers for stock kernel | 20:47 |
| merlin1991 | what the hack are you trying to achive here? | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~cssu-meeting-topic is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/search?q=#%23topic-11-18 | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-/ | 20:48 |
| merlin1991 | ah I see you add a hashtag and search for it to filter out stuff for the future meeting | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes sir | 20:49 |
| merlin1991 | why not simply open a page on wiki.maemo.org? | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | too tedious | 20:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ##topic-11-18 S-rollout: what are the results of testing merlin1991's test repo by those who tested it (who are those)? | 21:44 |
| neal | I tested it | 21:45 |
| neal | I upgraded from a freshly flashed Pr1.3 | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | ##topic-11-18 T17: any news on rollout of Testing-17 release, any first feedback? | 21:45 |
| neal | I tried the camera and it worked | 21:46 |
| neal | I didn't try modest | 21:46 |
| neal | but I did play with the rest | 21:46 |
| neal | and I didn't run into any issues so far | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ##comments to ##topic-11-18 S-rollout ^^^ above | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're all invided to join in to this scheme, and at very least contribute to the list of ##topic-MM-DD <topic keywd>: <description> | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | atm topic-11-18 is the one | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | tagging posts that are related to a topic: just add a line like my ##comment post above, and mention the ##topic-DD-YY <SUBJECT> in that line | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | this way we can use chanlog to yield all the relevant related stuff instantly | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | please don't use the original #topic 11 plus 18 or any other correctly formed tag when not really due, e.g when discussing this scheme itself | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | so not to fill the list of hits on http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/search?q=XXXXXXXX | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | rather point to the /topic for the URL | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | and use ##topic-MM-DD as the term for the tag itself | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | in discussions about it | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ##comments to ##topic-11-18 S-rollout below | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | neal: did the installation work smooth? | 21:58 |
| neal | yes | 21:58 |
| neal | if there is a log, I don't know where it is | 21:58 |
| neal | the xterm closes after it completes | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 21:58 |
| neal | and scrolling while text is being produced doesn't work | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | well as long as it worked :-D | 21:58 |
| neal | there were some messages that I wanted to investigate | 21:59 |
| neal | but it all went so fast... | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | good point for UX | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | needs some improvement | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | ##topic-11-18 installer: improve user experience by allowing to read messages, thus not scaring/confusing users | 22:01 |
| Sicelo | what is application menu editor? | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | the tossing around of icons in app starter I guess | 22:02 |
| Sicelo | now testing the gconf settings in http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/FeaturesStable | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ##topic-11-18 HD-lock: lock editing of homescreens (the "gear") | 22:03 |
| Sicelo | neal: do u notice a more responsive desktop? (maybe not, as u are directly from flashing :/) | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: more responsive compared to what, on which action? | 22:06 |
| Sicelo | just general responsiveness. it is much faster than i had it before. | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, probably related to flashing | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | unrelated to CSSU, or maybe related to fixing that GPU/CPU hogging bug in the stock HD scrolling that ate your battery on short menues that couldn't scroll at all and thus were virtually bouncing up and down all the time | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | for sure not related to Stable ;-D | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: so you tested merlin1991's test S repo as well? | 22:12 |
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| Sicelo | yes, that's where i installed cssu from. didnt have cssu before. as fro reflash, i last (and first) flashed on July the 4th :D | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | ##comments to ##topic-11-18 S-rollout below | 22:15 |
| Sicelo | s/fro/for/ | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | ##<Sicelo> yes, that's where i installed cssu from. didnt have cssu before. as fro reflash, i last (and first) flashed on July the 4th :Dcomments to ##topic-11-18 S-rollout below | 22:16 |
| Sicelo | heh, if infobot was here this wouldn't work as intended | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | <Sicelo> yes, that's where i installed cssu from. didnt have cssu before. as fro reflash, i last (and first) flashed on July the 4th :D | 22:16 |
| Sicelo | so far everything running well. zero issues | 22:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm considering to change ##comment ##topic to ##comment #topic, so the list of ##topics doesn't get messed up with hits for ##comment ##topic | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you can search for ##topic-MM-DD to find the clean list of topic points, yu can search for #topic <topic> to get all the locations with comments to a particular topic, and finally #topic will get you all | 22:36 |
| neal | isn't this too much beurocracy? | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's buerocracy in a simple scheme to tag IRC posts so the chanlog searc yields you a summary for free? | 22:37 |
| neal | let's use some machine learning :-) | 22:37 |
| neal | like some sort of clusting algorithm | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're free to implement a bit that triggers on keywords and does the hard work of fixing sources and delivering patches all on its own ;-D | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/bit/bot | 22:38 |
| neal | fixing sources and writing patches is the stuff I do | 22:39 |
| neal | machines can organize the information for me | 22:39 |
| neal | they're better at it anyways | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | this would imply these machines are at least as clever as you are | 22:39 |
| neal | It shouldn't be too hard to use something like xapian | 22:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nfi about whats xapian | 22:40 |
| neal | nfi? | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I know how mg.pov.it chanlog and search works | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | no f* idea | 22:41 |
| neal | http://xapian.org/ | 22:41 |
| neal | it's a search back end | 22:41 |
| neal | it uses probabilitic inference | 22:41 |
| neal | like spam assassin | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeeek | 22:41 |
| neal | ? | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | will tag all our rant here as XXX spam | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | neal: do a /topic, click on the URL there, profit, admit it's useful | 22:42 |
| neal | I don't know what to do with, e.g., http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/search?q=##topic-11-18 | 22:43 |
| neal | it's a search query box | 22:43 |
| neal | I expected a log | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | sigh, it should show all hits for the search term, incl the one you just posted | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks for that | 22:52 |
| Macer | awesome | 22:54 |
| Macer | got my knockoff BL-5J and the wall charger | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | if it doesn't, you may want to enter that search term ##topic-<MM>-<DD> into the serach box manually | 22:54 |
| Macer | i'm scared to stick this battery in my n900 :) | 22:54 |
| Macer | lol | 22:54 |
| Macer | i am picturing the n900 exploding | 22:54 |
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| Macer | does the n900 at least get some sort of serial or any type of information off the battery at all? | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 22:55 |
| Macer | to remember which battery is in it? | 22:55 |
| Macer | blah .. ok :) | 22:55 |
| Macer | cause now i have 3 batteries and a wall charger | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's a dumb battery | 22:55 |
| Macer | it sure is ;) | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | the bq27200 is supposed to get built into the battery, not into the device as is on N900 | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | GTA02 battery is like that | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | but that one doesn't fit into N900 ;-P | 22:56 |
| Sicelo | how do the other phones using bl-5j work? also have the chip on device? | 22:58 |
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| Macer | wonder how well this yeah i find it kind of lame the damn battery percentage can't be read while it is charging lol | 22:59 |
| Macer | that's ghetto | 22:59 |
| Macer | hey... at least i have a battery charger tho in case my usb port falls off :/ | 23:00 |
| Macer | i should put the old n900 back together | 23:00 |
| Macer | in china does cyan mean charging and blue mean charged? :) | 23:01 |
| Macer | i am charging the knockoff battery that came with it.. wow that thing is horrible.. i don't think i willl use it unless i am desperate | 23:02 |
| neal | macer: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65568 | 23:04 |
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| Macer | neal: wow :) | 23:10 |
| Macer | so far i only saw one that was what it was rated | 23:10 |
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| Macer | you have to love how he gave instruction on how to scam mugen :) | 23:14 |
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