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Macer | field? | 00:33 |
Macer | oh. guess i did cross channels | 00:33 |
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* merlin1991 has to reflash, ... AGAIN | 01:27 | |
merlin1991 | luckily I'm starting to be a real professional in terms of flashing :D | 01:29 |
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merlin1991 | that space where the n900 saves that it has flashed must look funky (provided it saves dates too) | 01:31 |
merlin1991 | imagine somone @ nokia checking the device, WTF 5 flashes within 6 hrs? | 01:31 |
merlin1991 | hm did we ever have a valid bugreport for h-d not installing the transistions.ini? | 01:46 |
merlin1991 | it does exactly that for me atm | 01:46 |
merlin1991 | and I had thought that the stable repo is finished | 01:53 |
* merlin1991 hunts bugs again | 01:54 | |
arcean_ | merlin1991: hd doesn't overwrite the old transitions.ini? | 01:56 |
merlin1991 | yes | 01:56 |
merlin1991 | upon a first installation | 01:56 |
merlin1991 | on a newly flashed device | 01:57 |
arcean_ | IIRC it's a feature not a bug :) | 01:57 |
merlin1991 | and whatabout the new settings in transistions? | 01:57 |
merlin1991 | this way I have a stock file that is m00t | 01:58 |
arcean_ | merlin1991: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-desktop/commit/5adc4b248cf2eccce758d454aa42d9511210fc3c | 01:58 |
arcean_ | debian/hildon-desktop.conffiles | 01:58 |
arcean_ | (1 / 0) | 01:58 |
merlin1991 | arcean_: yeah, it makes totally sense for cssu-upgrades | 01:59 |
arcean_ | you have to remove debian/hildon-desktop.conffiles | 01:59 |
merlin1991 | but the initial installation of cssu should provide the new file | 01:59 |
merlin1991 | I guess the enabler needs a lil more code | 02:00 |
* merlin1991 hopes for a single line fix | 02:02 | |
arcean_ | or a good script for a preinst and if transitions.ini md5 is != original one => do not replace file | 02:03 |
arcean_ | or something like this | 02:03 |
merlin1991 | nah that would be just the same as conffile does | 02:03 |
merlin1991 | either I add transistions.ini.ex as a pkg file | 02:03 |
merlin1991 | so users have the options, or I find a way in the enabler to work around this | 02:04 |
merlin1991 | btw thanks arcean_ for pointing out that commit, I had totallly forgotten that one | 02:05 |
arcean_ | merlin1991: you're welcome | 02:07 |
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arcean_ | anyway I'm heading the bed | 02:07 |
arcean_ | bbl | 02:07 |
merlin1991 | gn :) | 02:08 |
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merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: I'm starting to see your point with those silly popups installers do on the device | 02:17 |
DocScrutinizer | sill ypopups? | 02:28 |
DocScrutinizer | aaah yes | 02:28 |
DocScrutinizer | popups should be a HAM-only thing | 02:28 |
DocScrutinizer | not get invoked by apt-get install | 02:29 |
DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: I dunno if you could kill them by $> DISPLAY=null apt-get install popupapp | 02:30 |
merlin1991 | I bet apt just stays in an dead loop then since you can't even hit ok then :D | 02:31 |
DocScrutinizer | a requester with OK button is really bad. | 02:31 |
DocScrutinizer | but usually I think those popups are invoked by dbus-send | 02:32 |
DocScrutinizer | so DISPLAY wouldn't help either, but also an OK button wouldn't change the dbus-send call's retiurn code | 02:32 |
DocScrutinizer | if there's some cmdline tool that opens a blocking (aka sync) requester and waits for user hitting OK | CANCEL, then I'd expect it to fail when $DISPLAY is moot, and thus return error | 02:33 |
DocScrutinizer | you *could* trick that as well, by aliasing therequesterbinary to /bin/true in /mydir/bin, then do $> PATH=/mydir/bin:$PATH apt-get install popupapp | 02:35 |
DocScrutinizer | unless of course the requesterbinary gets invoked by FQN in the install scripts | 02:36 |
DocScrutinizer | in which case only hard measures lile renaming the original requesterbinary and the placing a symlink to /bin/true could help you out | 02:37 |
DocScrutinizer | or - better - replace the requesterbinary by a wrapper that first checks for some conditions like $NOPOPUP existing and "true", or apt-get running, or whatever you think is appropriate to deal with the issue. Then call or not call the true requesterbinary | 02:39 |
DocScrutinizer | probably best check if HAM is running | 02:40 |
DocScrutinizer | if not, no requester | 02:40 |
DocScrutinizer | at least no X requester | 02:41 |
DocScrutinizer | rather a simple echo "hit enter bla bla bla" >&2; read <2 | 02:42 |
DocScrutinizer | BS, of course a simple "read answer" | 02:43 |
* merlin1991 reflashes and checks fix for transistions.ini | 02:44 | |
merlin1991 | fixing bugs related to community-ssu-enabler is tedious work | 02:45 |
DocScrutinizer | read -i "do you really know what you're doing?" -p "Y/n" answer; if [ x$answer == xy -o x$answer == xY ]; then return; else return 555; | 02:46 |
DocScrutinizer | -i is BS | 02:53 |
DocScrutinizer | I gather busybox has no select either | 02:53 |
DocScrutinizer | select reply in yes no; do if [ $reply == yes ]... | 02:54 |
merlin1991 | heh installing this version of cssu stable hopefully for the last time | 02:58 |
DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: oh yes, tedious work | 02:58 |
DocScrutinizer | you use backupmenu restore? | 02:58 |
merlin1991 | nope | 02:58 |
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DocScrutinizer | I'd prefer restoring a clean rootfs from backup rathe than reflashing | 02:59 |
DocScrutinizer | the only problem: I never used BM restore, so *if* it fails I'm fsckd | 03:00 |
DocScrutinizer | which makes me a bit reluctant at helping with testing | 03:00 |
DocScrutinizer | dang I oughta have tested BM restore before I installed all this stuff to my daily phone | 03:01 |
merlin1991 | :D | 03:01 |
merlin1991 | yeah having a backup strategy first is always a good idea :D | 03:02 |
DocScrutinizer | a *tested* strategy | 03:02 |
merlin1991 | ofc | 03:02 |
DocScrutinizer | the one most popular epic failure on that stuff -> "ooops we learnt restore never worked for acme-backup. alas we learnt when we needed it" | 03:03 |
merlin1991 | this cssu release is getting a slight touch | 03:03 |
DocScrutinizer | touch of what? | 03:04 |
merlin1991 | already 3 packages that have modifications | 03:04 |
DocScrutinizer | HAH | 03:04 |
* DocScrutinizer mumbles "hope you document those" and waves with the whip | 03:04 | |
DocScrutinizer | ;-D | 03:04 |
merlin1991 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/ChangelogStable | 03:05 |
DocScrutinizer | coool shit | 03:05 |
merlin1991 | I didn't add the adjustment to the enabler to that list though | 03:05 |
merlin1991 | but I think I'm done now | 03:06 |
merlin1991 | enabler change will be documented in install notices | 03:06 |
merlin1991 | when we have the true repo :) | 03:06 |
* merlin1991 can finally go back to writing http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/FeaturesStable | 03:06 | |
DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: you're awesome | 03:07 |
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merlin1991 | the cssu section in transistions.ini should really be renamed to something else but thp_tweaks | 03:19 |
merlin1991 | I love it how the stable features page is going to be more accurately in time than the orginal one :D | 03:22 |
* merlin1991 found yet another usuability error | 03:28 | |
merlin1991 | whitelist is implemented in current h-d but not in the transistions.ini | 03:28 |
merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: help me out 0 is false and anything else is true in c or the other way round? | 03:34 |
merlin1991 | (I'm currently slightly brainfucked) | 03:34 |
DocScrutinizer | on THIS particular question I'm always prainfucked, but if you got checks like if filehandle then print OK I'd say 0 is false | 03:39 |
mr_jrt | I believe true is strictly speaking -1 (i.e. 0xFFFFFFFF on 32bits, but essentially it's !false, with false being 0) | 03:50 |
merlin1991 | HEH LOL | 03:50 |
merlin1991 | we've got proper whitelisting but it's nowhere documented | 03:51 |
* merlin1991 writes some docs | 03:51 | |
merlin1991 | damn I'd need MohammadAG | 04:03 |
merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-desktop/commit/8790c5410105d2ed02287c6a7693ef91288489f3 | 04:14 |
DocScrutinizer | LOL | 04:18 |
* DocScrutinizer feels happy others actually care about his rant | 04:19 | |
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merlin1991 | I've found a bug wich I'm going to fix and mg for the next testing :) | 04:26 |
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merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/FeaturesStable | 04:32 |
merlin1991 | I think I've done everything besides a bit of testing on devices to get this stable cssu out into the wild .) | 04:32 |
DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: you're a beast | 04:32 |
DocScrutinizer | I think we did the right thing to tell you that you have to volunteer for S-maintainer ;-D | 04:33 |
merlin1991 | hehe | 04:34 |
DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: section "gconf settings" - please make clear what's the default | 04:35 |
merlin1991 | I thought it's kinda obvious that all those settings are not the defaults :D | 04:36 |
DocScrutinizer | on second thought it's kinda deducable | 04:36 |
DocScrutinizer | "CSSU Stable comes with default settings to act like stock PR1.3 - to enable additional functions via gconf you can do:..." | 04:37 |
DocScrutinizer | btw the generic MHD settings (as mentioned in ~jrtools) are missing | 04:39 |
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merlin1991 | I went for: The cssu stable branch comes with default settings that are considered stable, you can enable various features by tweaking the following settings: | 04:43 |
merlin1991 | generic mhd is linked too | 04:47 |
DocScrutinizer | cool | 04:47 |
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Macer | i have a question. these other phones out there that show batter percentage while charging.. is it done via some sort of special hardware or is it simply the same way maemo on the n900 does it except in reverse | 09:01 |
Macer | IE.. it simply keeps a database reflecting where the battery should be at a certain point | 09:01 |
Macer | and remembers those points to determine where it should be at given x amount of time charging | 09:02 |
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DocScrutinizer | who says N900 does it this way? | 10:08 |
DocScrutinizer | bq27200 implements a Coulomb counter that correctly integrates current over time, aka "counts electrons" | 10:09 |
DocScrutinizer | what bme does otoh is largely unknown | 10:09 |
DocScrutinizer | we know bme talks to bq27200, but we don't know if bme is actually using the Coulomb values delivered by that chip | 10:10 |
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DocScrutinizer | what we also know is that bme does *not* keep any large database, esp not in rootfs - though bme actually *does* some datawriting to CAL | 10:12 |
DocScrutinizer | for such a table you assumed a set of 10 integers might be sufficient | 10:14 |
DocScrutinizer | to learn more about LiIon charging and the problems in estimating relative available capacity during charging process you may want to read about LiIon CC/CV charging scheme | 10:16 |
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Sicelo | so, ready to test 'Stable'. where do i get it? | 13:58 |
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DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: pind ^^^^ | 14:10 |
DocScrutinizer | ping even | 14:10 |
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merlin1991 | Sicelo: http://87.106.163.159/maemo/community/community-fremantle.install | 14:58 |
merlin1991 | (it's on my server for now) | 14:58 |
merlin1991 | make sure you've removed modified hildon desktop prior to installing | 14:59 |
merlin1991 | also see http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/FeaturesStable for stuff to enable / disable | 15:00 |
Sicelo | thanks. mhd removed already ;) | 15:01 |
merlin1991 | btw after enabinbling the repository jsut wait | 15:05 |
merlin1991 | ham takes his time :) | 15:05 |
* amiconn would actually like to know why ham is so extremely slow when updating package lists | 15:13 | |
merlin1991 | ham checks a few more dependencies and flags compared to apt | 15:13 |
merlin1991 | and is incredible slow in doing so :P | 15:13 |
merlin1991 | Sicelo: did the installation run fine? | 15:14 |
Sicelo | now installing SSU enabler :P | 15:23 |
Sicelo | am on a 256kbps connection | 15:23 |
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Lava_Croft | http://lcd.satgnu.net/pics/annah/20111111_009.jpg | 15:35 |
Lava_Croft | i need a new one:< | 15:35 |
Lava_Croft | this one is getting old | 15:35 |
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Sicelo | duct tape to the rescue ;) | 15:44 |
Sicelo | that looks nice though. i need one :/ | 15:44 |
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Sicelo | device rebooting now all seemed fine till now | 15:59 |
Sicelo | s/w a/w. a/ | 15:59 |
Sicelo | heh, infobot isn't here | 15:59 |
Sicelo | hmm, i was on PR1.3.1 before. now back on 1.3 | 16:13 |
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Sicelo | in Theme Customizer, i had set to not show background of icons in desktop, now that's greyed out :( | 16:15 |
Sicelo | otherwise things are running fine | 16:15 |
Sicelo | \0/ cssu | 16:15 |
Lava_Croft | Sicelo: set the transparency of desktop widgets in theme customizer | 16:18 |
Lava_Croft | that also sets icon backgrounds | 16:18 |
Sicelo | greyed out | 16:18 |
Lava_Croft | meh which one was it again | 16:18 |
Lava_Croft | theres two options you can use | 16:18 |
Sicelo | modest and camera still works as expected | 16:18 |
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merlin1991 | Sicelo: where does it say pr 1.3 as opposed to 1.31? | 16:20 |
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merlin1991 | Sicelo: true it says the old product version in the produktinfo | 16:21 |
* merlin1991 wonders why | 16:21 | |
merlin1991 | even though the packages are in the new version now, wtf? | 16:22 |
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mr_jrt | Now that we have a seperate stable CSSU, is there a greater chance of pali's open getbootstate making it's way into the testing CSSU? Admittedly there's no outward changes, but for me it's more about the principle of moving as much as we can to an open system. | 16:33 |
merlin1991 | getbootstate? | 16:33 |
merlin1991 | mr_jrt: could you elaborate on getbootstate? | 16:39 |
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NIN101 | getbootstate is used by system scripts to determinate in which bootstate we are, so e.g. flash, act_dead, user etc. and it is closed source. So a major component of maemo boot process. | 16:49 |
merlin1991 | thanks | 17:01 |
* merlin1991 wonders how the fsckd prouctinfo applet handles version number | 17:02 | |
merlin1991 | MohammadAG: ping | 17:02 |
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Sicelo | shortcut backgrounds seem to be a known problem, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11989 | 17:24 |
povbot | Bug 11989: App shortcut background is still there. But set to invisible with theme customizer. | 17:24 |
merlin1991 | do you have theme customizer installed? | 17:28 |
Sicelo | yes | 17:29 |
merlin1991 | I'm just checking the current version, but earlier version worked in an insane way that conflicted directly with cssu | 17:30 |
Sicelo | i really like having no background. i have theme-customizer 0.9-77 | 17:32 |
merlin1991 | okay theme customizer shouldn't break your cssu, that's the good news | 17:33 |
merlin1991 | bad news, dunno about that nobg patch | 17:34 |
merlin1991 | afaik we planned on integrating that with cssu hildon-home | 17:34 |
Sicelo | yeah, everything else works fine so far, and desktop seems a bit faster than before. | 17:34 |
merlin1991 | btw did you have a modded transistions.ini? | 17:37 |
Sicelo | no. unless theme customizer did something. i do have transition-control, but had not changed anything yet | 17:40 |
merlin1991 | Sicelo: I just tried and the manual way works | 17:45 |
merlin1991 | ssh in, or sudogainroot ;) | 17:45 |
Sicelo | aha.. am listening :) | 17:46 |
merlin1991 | and rename the ApplicationShortcutApplet.png and the ApplicationShortcutAppletPressed.png in /opt/usr/share/themes/yourtheme/images/ | 17:46 |
merlin1991 | + reboot | 17:46 |
merlin1991 | dang looks like I'll have to reflash again to find out why the product version is wrong | 17:53 |
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Sicelo | maybe related to removal of mp-fremantle... before install :/ | 17:53 |
merlin1991 | did you remove mp-fremantle by hand? | 17:54 |
Sicelo | btw, rename those png's to what? | 17:54 |
merlin1991 | anything, you might wnat them back | 17:54 |
merlin1991 | I suggest something like origname.old or origname.backup | 17:54 |
Sicelo | yeah, my system has no mp-fremantle..blame DocScrutinizer ;) | 17:54 |
Sicelo | lol | 17:54 |
Sicelo | btw, this cssu didn't remove rtcom-something-voip :) | 17:56 |
merlin1991 | int only did it on some devices | 17:57 |
merlin1991 | nfc why | 17:57 |
merlin1991 | it never did on mine, I think it was only on devices that weren't flashed to 1.3 but ota updated from 1.2 | 17:57 |
Sicelo | yay! desktop very fast. lemme reboot | 17:58 |
merlin1991 | reflashed rootfs /me puts on detective hat | 18:05 |
merlin1991 | hehe cssu meeting in 1 hr | 18:06 |
merlin1991 | X-Fade seems to abandon his irc whenever i ping him | 18:06 |
Sicelo | heh | 18:06 |
Sicelo | thanks for that hint. worked perfectly. :) | 18:07 |
amiconn | merlin1991: That may actually be the case. I never reflashed my n900 so far | 18:08 |
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X-Fade | merlin1991: Sorry a lot of windows open, doing a lot of work :) | 18:21 |
merlin1991 | I don't know if mohammad contacted you about the certman applet for cssu yet | 18:22 |
merlin1991 | also stable branch is about ready to start kicking and we (I) will need the upload procedure | 18:23 |
X-Fade | We spoke about it some tome ago. | 18:23 |
X-Fade | *time | 18:23 |
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X-Fade | I need to see about the upload part for multiple people. | 18:25 |
X-Fade | As now it is only possible for one account. | 18:26 |
X-Fade | And I like to have a trail of who did what, so sharing the account is out of the question. | 18:26 |
merlin1991 | the cssu team now has me as maintainer of stable and mohammad as maintainer of testing | 18:26 |
X-Fade | Ok, well one person is easy. | 18:27 |
merlin1991 | yeah ofc you'd like to know who screwd up :) | 18:27 |
X-Fade | Well, yeah. Not only to blame, but if something gets hacked or a weird package is uploaded, we need to be able to see who was compromised. | 18:27 |
X-Fade | It is just common sense :) | 18:28 |
DocScrutinizer | ugh meeting | 18:28 |
DocScrutinizer | I forgot | 18:28 |
merlin1991 | still 0.5 hrs Doc | 18:28 |
merlin1991 | I hope I have stable ready by then | 18:29 |
merlin1991 | the only thing that's missing is, that for some wicked reason it reports as pr.13 in productinfo | 18:30 |
DocScrutinizer | well, wasn't that always like that? | 18:35 |
merlin1991 | yes but it should report as 1.3.1 now | 18:35 |
merlin1991 | not as 1.3 | 18:35 |
DocScrutinizer51 | err, not if we didn't update to 1.3.1 before installing cssu | 18:36 |
merlin1991 | err ye | 18:36 |
merlin1991 | because it will include EVERYTHING 1.3.1 has over .13 | 18:36 |
merlin1991 | as in updated certman + applet | 18:36 |
DocScrutinizer51 | maemo5 20.2010.36-2 | 18:37 |
DocScrutinizer51 | everything except mp | 18:37 |
DocScrutinizer51 | obviouslz product version is that of MP | 18:38 |
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merlin1991 | well my testpackage in the testrepo for stable has version 21.2011.38-1Smaemo0.4 but the productionfo applet still shows 20.2010.36-2 | 18:41 |
Sicelo | what is mp? | 18:42 |
DocScrutinizer | MetaPackage | 18:42 |
Macer | sigh. my synology diskstation is going to be delivered when i am not home | 18:43 |
DocScrutinizer | tbh I have nfc where from PRODUCT_VERSION originates | 18:43 |
DocScrutinizer | well, an idea maybe | 18:43 |
DocScrutinizer | mompls | 18:44 |
merlin1991 | hm postinst in mp runs osso-product-info -s | 18:44 |
DocScrutinizer | osso-product-info | 18:44 |
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DocScrutinizer | --set, -s <arg> set <arg> variable | 18:45 |
DocScrutinizer | but that's probably not what we needed | 18:45 |
merlin1991 | that is | 18:45 |
DocScrutinizer | I guess product bersion is hardcoded in osso-product-info | 18:45 |
merlin1991 | mp-fremantle-generic-pr has a postinst that runs osso-prudct-info -s OSSO_VERSION='RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_MR0' | 18:46 |
DocScrutinizer | I'd even bet on it | 18:46 |
DocScrutinizer | OOH | 18:46 |
merlin1991 | and also I said like 10 billion times that 1.3.1 only updates certman and the certman applet | 18:47 |
merlin1991 | so osso-product-info stays the same just like every other package | 18:47 |
DocScrutinizer | yup | 18:47 |
DocScrutinizer | plus MP | 18:47 |
DocScrutinizer | no? | 18:47 |
merlin1991 | yeah mp | 18:47 |
merlin1991 | but mp is only a control file and that posinst script | 18:47 |
DocScrutinizer | cool, you smashed it | 18:47 |
merlin1991 | time for some copy pasta | 18:48 |
DocScrutinizer | miam | 18:48 |
merlin1991 | now how do we let this fly, set it in a posinst of our mp, or with the enabler | 18:49 |
merlin1991 | what makes more sense? | 18:49 |
DocScrutinizer | what to we'll glue that osso-prod-info thingie? | 18:49 |
DocScrutinizer | to which pkg? | 18:49 |
merlin1991 | I asked first, you have to answer ;) | 18:49 |
Sicelo | heh :P | 18:50 |
DocScrutinizer | if we got a MP that gets installed on an imaginary upgrade from an imaginary prev cssu-S then it's clear we'll glue it to that | 18:50 |
DocScrutinizer | think like "what would we do for next cssu rev?" | 18:50 |
merlin1991 | installation process is: enabler repo install installer, installer removes mp installs fake mp version 0, then run ham to upgrade to current mp | 18:51 |
DocScrutinizer | the tack it to MP | 18:52 |
DocScrutinizer | then* | 18:52 |
DocScrutinizer | even when MP is "fake" we're free to update it with next REV | 18:52 |
merlin1991 | ffs now I'll have to reflahs again :D | 18:53 |
DocScrutinizer | LOL | 18:53 |
merlin1991 | to test if the version update works from 1.3 to cssu | 18:53 |
* merlin1991 headplates | 18:53 | |
* DocScrutinizer coughs | 18:53 | |
merlin1991 | headplate == while ( head not shaved like a plate) do headdesk done | 18:54 |
DocScrutinizer | YOH. last pkg download for update: NFS | 18:54 |
merlin1991 | err? | 18:54 |
DocScrutinizer | umm shave, yeah.. should do that too | 18:54 |
DocScrutinizer | NeedForSpeed | 18:55 |
DocScrutinizer | N9 | 18:55 |
merlin1991 | now you're starting to make sense | 18:55 |
merlin1991 | I've deinstallt all games but angry birds .D | 18:55 |
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DocScrutinizer | I'm updating since like 3h now | 18:55 |
merlin1991 | took only about 30 mins in total for me | 18:55 |
DocScrutinizer | extreme suspense | 18:55 |
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DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: well, you probably were on 3x-x already | 18:56 |
DocScrutinizer | I had not updated, ever, before | 18:56 |
merlin1991 | I just hate swite to close | 18:56 |
merlin1991 | it's acclerometer controled instead of window rotation | 18:57 |
DocScrutinizer | err? | 18:57 |
merlin1991 | so if you have an fixed landscape app and hold the phone strange you have to close it by swiping from the side of the app (top of the phone) | 18:57 |
DocScrutinizer | yeah | 18:57 |
merlin1991 | but if you hold it in landscape you can swipe from the right side of the device to close | 18:57 |
merlin1991 | srly, wtf? | 18:57 |
merlin1991 | it should be swipe from top of window not swipe from top of physically top border | 18:58 |
DocScrutinizer | I seem to have seen that before, and javisüedro didn't believe me | 18:58 |
DocScrutinizer | indeed | 18:59 |
DocScrutinizer | e.g. settings: wont rotate but needs swipe to middle of earth to close, no matter how you hold the device | 18:59 |
DocScrutinizer | even works upside down X-P | 19:00 |
DocScrutinizer | will be *real* fun on ISS | 19:00 |
merlin1991 | :D | 19:00 |
merlin1991 | I think I'm gonna disable it again anyway | 19:01 |
DocScrutinizer | DINGDINGDING DINGDINGDING DINGDINGDING DINGDINGDING DINGDINGDING | 19:01 |
merlin1991 | Sicelo: yeah I did reflash update to 1.3.1 then install cssu | 19:02 |
merlin1991 | productinfo is back to 1.3 | 19:02 |
DocScrutinizer | report!! everybody | 19:03 |
* DocScrutinizer HERE | 19:03 | |
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DocScrutinizer | :-D | 19:03 |
merlin1991 | I'll sms Mag | 19:04 |
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DocScrutinizer | Icecream will be sold during the break | 19:06 |
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DocScrutinizer | watch your step in the dark | 19:06 |
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merlin1991 | wtf where's everyone? | 19:10 |
merlin1991 | we can discuss about nothing without mag :/ | 19:10 |
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DocScrutinizer | probably he found a rocket fuel powered PSU and he tuned his spare fan so he vcan fly to the clouds now with his laptop | 19:12 |
fw190 | lets hope so. eagerly waiting for cssu 17 | 19:12 |
merlin1991 | well let's gather info, anything that could go into cssu 18 that isn't a patch? | 19:13 |
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DocScrutinizer | to shorten the boredom a bit for the rest of you: I fixed my fan with a proxxon mill by milling a small hole slightly off axis to the fan blade plastic and then "filled" the whole thing with good amount of silicone oil | 19:14 |
merlin1991 | it's essentially an obexd upgrade that improves bluetooth handling of car-kits | 19:14 |
merlin1991 | enables proper phonebook support a number of them | 19:15 |
DocScrutinizer | CSSU-T18? | 19:15 |
merlin1991 | yeah | 19:15 |
DocScrutinizer | whitelist handling! | 19:15 |
merlin1991 | is in current one but needs fixing | 19:16 |
DocScrutinizer | editor, not function | 19:16 |
merlin1991 | ah .D | 19:16 |
merlin1991 | I tried around with the whitelist function and it kinda broke roatation in general :D | 19:16 |
DocScrutinizer | there's that "CSSU Features" button in powerbutton-menu | 19:17 |
merlin1991 | huh? | 19:18 |
DocScrutinizer | it bitches on me all the time about "transitions.ini doesn't have all the expected options" and allows to "fix" (most likely actually break) or exit. | 19:18 |
merlin1991 | "that" cssu features button does not come with cssu | 19:19 |
merlin1991 | afaik it's the cssu tuner app that delivers it | 19:19 |
DocScrutinizer | we should shanghai it | 19:19 |
DocScrutinizer | I seem to recall once it worked and when it did it was nice | 19:19 |
fw190 | shanghai? | 19:20 |
DocScrutinizer | hijack, kidnap | 19:20 |
fw190 | ;) | 19:20 |
merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: I gotta facepalm | 19:20 |
merlin1991 | that osso-product info -s is in the cssu mp already | 19:20 |
merlin1991 | it sets to 1.3 all the time | 19:20 |
DocScrutinizer | nope CSSU Tuner is in settings | 19:21 |
merlin1991 | cssu tuner provides that too afaik | 19:21 |
DocScrutinizer | and actually it's been that one that really works and doesn't look bad | 19:21 |
DocScrutinizer | LOL | 19:22 |
fw190 | cssu tuner isn't maintained anymore | 19:22 |
DocScrutinizer | damn, so what we gonna do about that now? start mainaining it again, maybe? ;-) | 19:22 |
fw190 | well Saturn is maintaining his app | 19:23 |
DocScrutinizer | even I could maintain such a simple thing | 19:23 |
merlin1991 | we should think about a proper applet for settings in cssu anyway | 19:23 |
merlin1991 | makes no sense to depend on outside application | 19:23 |
fw190 | I'm just saying nothing more | 19:23 |
merlin1991 | maybe get Saturn on board | 19:23 |
merlin1991 | fw190: what's Saturns app called? | 19:24 |
DocScrutinizer | duh, it's a PITA! REALLY! | 19:24 |
DocScrutinizer | CSSU Tuner // transitions tweaker // random other crap, I'm lost on where to look for what :-/ | 19:25 |
fw190 | CSSU features | 19:25 |
fw190 | that is Saturns app | 19:25 |
DocScrutinizer | that is the one that bitches and never works here | 19:26 |
fw190 | hmm it works for me since the beginning | 19:26 |
DocScrutinizer | the one in power button menu | 19:27 |
fw190 | yes | 19:27 |
fw190 | that is the one | 19:27 |
merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: compare your /usr/share/hildon_desktop/transisions.ini with /usr/share/hildon-desktop/tansistions.ini.dpkgsomething | 19:27 |
merlin1991 | you probably find some more settings in the thp_tweaks section in the latter | 19:27 |
DocScrutinizer | transitions.ini doesn't have all the expected options! fix? abort? | 19:27 |
merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: we don't update the transistions.ini on upgrade | 19:28 |
merlin1991 | so newly introduced options have to be included by hand / app | 19:28 |
DocScrutinizer | sure | 19:28 |
DocScrutinizer | just saying CSSU Features never really worked for me | 19:28 |
merlin1991 | and I guess you did upgrade from cssu x to cssu y at some point | 19:28 |
DocScrutinizer | yep | 19:28 |
DocScrutinizer | and obviously this app did *not* | 19:29 |
merlin1991 | eeh maybe the app did but your init didn't | 19:29 |
merlin1991 | s/init/ini/ | 19:29 |
infobot | merlin1991 meant: eeh maybe the app did but your ini didn't | 19:29 |
DocScrutinizer | and I guess "not all the options" is just a nice way to say "not the set of options I could deal with" I.E. too many options | 19:30 |
merlin1991 | fw190: are you on current cssu? | 19:30 |
fw190 | yes | 19:30 |
merlin1991 | does the features app work ? | 19:30 |
merlin1991 | without warning? | 19:30 |
fw190 | it only pops out: thr current configuration is shown and I can change anything | 19:31 |
DocScrutinizer | no matter if it works or not, please get that crap out of my powerbutton menu and into settings where it belongs | 19:32 |
DocScrutinizer | ;-) | 19:32 |
merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: you can always uninstall ;) | 19:32 |
fw190 | you can take it out from the power menu- there is an option to set it off | 19:32 |
DocScrutinizer | won't move it to settings | 19:32 |
fw190 | and it stays in the apps | 19:32 |
DocScrutinizer | where's that option? | 19:33 |
DocScrutinizer | in the settings page I can't reach due to "not all the expected options are there" ? | 19:33 |
fw190 | when you launch the app it is in (don't now how to call it) menu- form the CSSU features configuration up on the screen | 19:34 |
merlin1991 | just get rid of it then doc, it doesn't seem like you're going to use it anyway | 19:34 |
merlin1991 | Sicelo: I've updated the testrepo with a new mp, should fix the version number | 19:35 |
merlin1991 | okay lets get back ot, other suggestions for T18? | 19:36 |
MohammadAG | Are we having a meeting this week | 19:36 |
DocScrutinizer | YES SIR | 19:36 |
DocScrutinizer | lol | 19:36 |
DocScrutinizer | welcome MohammadAG | 19:36 |
merlin1991 | MohammadAG: we're having since 30 min :D | 19:37 |
merlin1991 | or rather we're talking bs waiting for you :P | 19:37 |
DocScrutinizer | hehehe | 19:37 |
merlin1991 | MohammadAG: I've reached X-Fade today an he said he'll need to see about the update part | 19:38 |
DocScrutinizer | "Alle Updates installiert" \o/ 666.6MB HARM updates | 19:38 |
MohammadAG | that 666.6 is annoying | 19:38 |
merlin1991 | also I need you to nod here: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12497 | 19:38 |
povbot | Bug 12497: Maemo 5 Community SSU needs field to distinguish between stable and testing | 19:38 |
MohammadAG | so's today's date | 19:38 |
DocScrutinizer | my friend married today, the fool | 19:39 |
DocScrutinizer | obviousl ybecause of the date | 19:39 |
merlin1991 | stupid skyrim ads with 11.11.11 were all over the place here | 19:39 |
merlin1991 | but whatever back to cssu :D | 19:39 |
DocScrutinizer | who's going to nod there, I already said "good call" when you posted it here :-) | 19:40 |
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MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I've heard of 10 marriages today | 19:40 |
merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: nod there is needed for andrew | 19:40 |
DocScrutinizer | ooh, really | 19:40 |
MohammadAG | I nodded | 19:40 |
DocScrutinizer | k, bbl | 19:41 |
merlin1991 | I've got stable so far that we could upload it after Sicelo me my sister and hopefully someone else ahs tested for some time | 19:41 |
MohammadAG | and borked the iPhone - again | 19:41 |
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merlin1991 | Sicelo_: I've uploaded a new metapackge, update in ham should fix your version number | 19:41 |
MohammadAG | new hwat? | 19:42 |
MohammadAG | what | 19:42 |
Sicelo_ | will test and report | 19:42 |
DocScrutinizer | where's the damnit "vote for this bug" button? | 19:42 |
merlin1991 | MohammadAG: the stable repo resides on a test server @ http://87.106.163.159/maemo/community/ | 19:42 |
MohammadAG | oh nice, we launched a testing stable :P | 19:42 |
merlin1991 | I've been ironing out packaging and stuff last few days | 19:43 |
merlin1991 | when it's proven to work for some days or so and X-Fade has give me a way to upload to maemo.org we can release to the wild | 19:43 |
Sicelo_ | merlin1991: if i want to use apt? ... | 19:43 |
merlin1991 | apt-get update apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr | 19:44 |
merlin1991 | dsmetool -b | 19:44 |
merlin1991 | Sicelo_: ^^ | 19:44 |
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Sicelo_ | thanks :) | 19:44 |
merlin1991 | MohammadAG: how's testing v 17 coming along? | 19:45 |
DocScrutinizer | Sicelo_: NB you need a "clean" PR1.3(.1) | 19:45 |
merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: he's fine | 19:46 |
Sicelo_ | i'm already 'dirty' | 19:46 |
MohammadAG | merlin1991, just got the SMS lol | 19:46 |
MohammadAG | merlin1991, I think it's stable | 19:46 |
merlin1991 | wtf took that long? | 19:46 |
merlin1991 | lmao | 19:46 |
MohammadAG | merlin1991, no, I bricked my iPhone | 19:46 |
merlin1991 | :D | 19:46 |
MohammadAG | primary phone, sorry :p | 19:46 |
DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: I found wmo cssu-S pages aren't indexed/linked | 19:47 |
merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: huh? | 19:47 |
merlin1991 | srly turn of your bot scripts doc | 19:48 |
DocScrutinizer | no sub-index for CSSU, no place where you'd find the URL to CSSU-Stable_features and *changelog | 19:48 |
merlin1991 | that's intentional | 19:48 |
merlin1991 | should only get indexed linked when we release it | 19:48 |
DocScrutinizer | k | 19:48 |
DocScrutinizer | just felt to mention it | 19:49 |
DocScrutinizer | AAAAH :-) | 19:49 |
DocScrutinizer | edit-lock for homescreens | 19:50 |
DocScrutinizer | ^^^ feature for cssu-T18 | 19:51 |
merlin1991 | exists | 19:51 |
DocScrutinizer | where? | 19:51 |
merlin1991 | ah wait sorry | 19:51 |
merlin1991 | does not exist | 19:51 |
DocScrutinizer | yes, that's exactly what I said as well | 19:52 |
DocScrutinizer | :-) | 19:52 |
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merlin1991 | MohammadAG: when do you think will we get testing-17? | 19:53 |
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DocScrutinizer | :-S | 19:56 |
merlin1991 | that's one thing online meetings lack, the chance to actually force an answer by looking at people .P | 19:56 |
fw190 | good one ;) | 19:57 |
merlin1991 | Sicelo_: did the version number work out? | 19:58 |
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Sicelo_ | haven't tested yet. bad connection. will test witihn an hour, | 20:00 |
merlin1991 | no stress, it only sounded like you'd test straight away :) | 20:00 |
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merlin1991 | MohammadAG: hello? | 20:01 |
DocScrutinizer | for next Friday we'll get a topics list, to make this session a bit more efficient | 20:02 |
DocScrutinizer | pretty please | 20:02 |
Sicelo | +1 | 20:02 |
MohammadAG | merlin1991, tonight hopefully | 20:03 |
MohammadAG | or tomorrow morning | 20:03 |
merlin1991 | awesome | 20:03 |
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MohammadAG | merlin1991, they also lack fan donations | 20:03 |
MohammadAG | by fan I meant physical CPU fans | 20:03 |
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MohammadAG | what did you change? :P | 20:03 |
DocScrutinizer | nuttin | 20:04 |
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merlin1991 | MohammadAG one thing left, how are we goign todo the version numbers now? | 20:04 |
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merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: you're expecting too much mags cpu fan ;) | 20:05 |
merlin1991 | s/too much/too much of/ | 20:06 |
infobot | merlin1991 meant: DocScrutinizer: you're expecting too much of mags cpu fan ;) | 20:06 |
MohammadAG | merlin1991, I'm still not sure | 20:06 |
MohammadAG | V17 will be version 1 | 20:06 |
MohammadAG | of the new update number/string | 20:06 |
DocScrutinizer51 | cool | 20:06 |
DocScrutinizer51 | +1 | 20:06 |
merlin1991 | the mp on the test server is Installed: 21.2011.38-1Smaemo0.5 | 20:07 |
merlin1991 | so either you call yours accordingly 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo1 | 20:07 |
merlin1991 | or we do the epoch thing | 20:08 |
merlin1991 | but we do should decide that | 20:08 |
merlin1991 | and since it's meeting time I'd say it's the perfect time todo so | 20:09 |
DocScrutinizer51 | don't mess with epoch, my 2 eurocent | 20:12 |
merlin1991 | epoch in theory is meant to fix broken versioning | 20:14 |
DocScrutinizer51 | I don't see why we'd need to bother about it anyway | 20:14 |
merlin1991 | so you can "start over" when you've published a mess | 20:14 |
MohammadAG | screw epochs, for one reason | 20:15 |
MohammadAG | Qt already uses 1: | 20:15 |
merlin1991 | btw that S / T thingy only applies to the mp | 20:15 |
merlin1991 | all the other packages are importet 1:1 from testing when considered stable | 20:16 |
DocScrutinizer51 | the 2 repos are segregate anyway | 20:16 |
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merlin1991 | ah yeah when you update your mp, don't forget to change the posinst | 20:17 |
DocScrutinizer51 | so no problems with version num whatsoever | 20:17 |
merlin1991 | *postinst* | 20:17 |
merlin1991 | that too | 20:17 |
merlin1991 | okay conclusion 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo1 will be new testing - 17 | 20:18 |
merlin1991 | I'm waiting for X-Fade and some days and then stable will go live | 20:18 |
MohammadAG | postinst? | 20:19 |
MohammadAG | change it to what? | 20:19 |
merlin1991 | the pr 1.3.1 release | 20:19 |
merlin1991 | the call to osso-product-info writes pr1.3 version number | 20:19 |
merlin1991 | but testing will be based of 1.3.1 since we include everything 1.3.1 updates | 20:20 |
merlin1991 | the new string is RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_MR0' | 20:22 |
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merlin1991 | okay I'm out | 20:29 |
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Sicelo | merlin1991: yes, version string correct now. (if only i knew dsmetool -b would reboot) | 20:42 |
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Macer | is the release done? | 22:46 |
Macer | i have to reflash anyways | 22:46 |
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DocScrutinizer | Macer: there's a cssu-S test version, on a semi-nonpunlic repo | 23:16 |
DocScrutinizer | http://87.106.163.159/maemo/community/ | 23:16 |
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DocScrutinizer | actually http://87.106.163.159/maemo/community/community-fremantle.install | 23:17 |
Macer | i see. ok. i have to reflash :-( | 23:17 |
Macer | messed up my n900 because fmtx wasnt working | 23:18 |
DocScrutinizer | it's a TEST version! | 23:18 |
DocScrutinizer | of Stable | 23:18 |
Macer | so i wanted to go back using backup menu | 23:18 |
Macer | a testing stable :-) | 23:18 |
Macer | how oxymoronic | 23:18 |
DocScrutinizer | yup :-) | 23:19 |
Macer | well... once the ups guy pops up i will try it | 23:19 |
Macer | is there a way to flash it or is it a pr1.3 upgrade? | 23:19 |
DocScrutinizer | that's a repository to upgrade from a clean PR1.3 | 23:20 |
Macer | ok. so i need 1.3? | 23:20 |
DocScrutinizer | yes | 23:20 |
Macer | no straight flash | 23:20 |
DocScrutinizer | no | 23:20 |
Macer | is it outside the lic to make an img? | 23:20 |
Macer | for a straight flash? | 23:20 |
DocScrutinizer | CSSU is never been meant to be a complete system/distro, it's a supplementary repo to ship fixes to stock PR | 23:21 |
Macer | i see | 23:22 |
DocScrutinizer | and we generally don't ship (C)nok blobs anyway | 23:22 |
Macer | well. i will try the testing stable later :-) | 23:23 |
Macer | i have to reflash anyways | 23:23 |
Macer | backupmenu made things worse | 23:23 |
Macer | :-( what a let down | 23:23 |
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Macer | i was like... ok. i messed it up beyond a simple repair.... let me rewimd with backupmenu | 23:24 |
Macer | great.... now it just keeps rebooting | 23:24 |
Macer | i am guessing backupmenu does not replace the kernel | 23:24 |
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